Time  Nick             Message
23:50 jcamins          Let this be a lesson to all you who are on #koha while cooking dinner! :P
23:48 jcamins          libsysguy's girlfriend dope slaps him as he chicken starts burning.
23:42 libsysguy_dinner holy cow rangi
23:41 sekjal           wow
23:39 rangi            out of 69
23:39 rangi            24 patches in
23:39 rangi            thats where im up to
23:39 rangi            http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=wip/koha-catalyst.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/merged_5549
23:38 sekjal           hopefully I'll have good connectivity during my preconf session
23:38 sekjal           thanks, rangi
23:38 rangi            time to get my flu injection bbiab .. i might not get this done before you hit the hay sekjal, but it should be there ready for you in the morning
23:36 sekjal           quittin' time, eh?
22:55 sekjal           rangi:  cool
22:55 rangi            ive totally rebased it, to get rid of the bad commits
22:55 rangi            whole new branch
22:55 Judit            mornign
22:54 sekjal           rangi:  will I be able to apply the newly pushed 5549 branch on the one I pulled from the Catalyst repo earlier today, or will I need a whole new branch based on master?
22:52 jcamins          Ah.
22:52 sekjal           :)
22:52 sekjal           sekjal:  that was a late lunch
22:51 jcamins          sekjal: weren't you getting dinner once you got to DC?
22:51 sekjal           ooooh, dinner sounds good
22:50 sekjal           ok
22:49 rangi            sekjal: and let you know
22:49 rangi            libsysguy: no worries, easily done
22:49 libsysguy        that was my bad
22:49 rangi            sekjal: ill push it to wip-catalyst repo at git.koha-community.org
22:49 libsysguy        understood
22:49 rangi            we shouldnt touch the .po files, thats up to the translation manager
22:49 sekjal           rangi:  let me know when it's ready to pull from the catalyst repo, and I'll get the updated fixes onto my machine, and continue with QA
22:48 rangi            oh just had a commit changing/removing them
22:48 cait             libsysguy++ rangi++ :)
22:48 cait             yay :)
22:46 libsysguy        what was up with the .po files?
22:46 rangi            i fixed the high holds, and .po files
22:46 libsysguy        sweetnexx
22:46 rangi            and we are done
22:46 rangi            then ill apply your three
22:46 rangi            and fixing the commit messages
22:45 rangi            applying them
22:45 rangi            formatted patches from the rebased one
22:45 rangi            ok, rebased, now ive checked out a branch new master
22:45 libsysguy        rangi hows it going?
22:42 libsysguy        thanks for helping me get it all together
22:42 libsysguy        rangi**
22:42 libsysguy        no worries reangi
22:42 rangi            thanks for the patch libsysguy
22:23 cait             hm
22:23 cait             no even owen is sending me to bed...
22:23 jcamins          lol
22:23 cait             hmm had too much sugar?
22:23 * oleonard       goes to bed
22:23 cait             rofl
22:23 oleonard         cait, go to bed!
22:12 sekjal           (where 200$e is the equivalent of MARC21 245$b)
22:12 sekjal           interesting... looks like some of the French UNIMARC frameworks are mapping 200$e to biblioitems.volume
22:11 jcamins          Wow, late dinner.
22:11 cait             we just got back to the hotel from dinner
22:11 cait             yeah I am
22:10 jcamins          cait: you're up late.
21:54 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7715 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Add biblio.subtitle and appropriate mappings to MARC frameworks
21:54 * sekjal         is working on bug 7715, now that QA is so nicely under control
21:53 sekjal           k
21:50 libsysguy        for the record…no
21:48 * libsysguy      feels the need to try
21:48 * sekjal         doesn't know enough about OO Perl to say
21:48 libsysguy        didn't think to try that
21:48 libsysguy        can you do a clone in the arguments?
21:48 sekjal           right on
21:48 libsysguy        thats what I did to fix it
21:48 libsysguy        basically
21:47 sekjal           so do you need a ->clone() in there?
21:46 libsysguy        anyway…the error actually happens because when you add the datetime duration…since it is a datetime object it modifies the original
21:45 sekjal           libsysguy++
21:45 Space_Librarian  :)
21:45 * libsysguy      is excited…i traced it through 3 modules
21:45 libsysguy        sorry
21:45 libsysguy        sekjal I found it
21:43 sekjal           wehoo!  QAQ  under 10 for the first time in.... as long as I can remember
21:28 Space_Librarian  lots of it, my precious....
21:28 wizzyrea         oye
21:28 Space_Librarian  And yes, rain
21:28 huginn           sekjal: The current temperature in Eckington Pl, NE, Washington, District of Columbia is 23.7°C (5:26 PM EDT on March 19, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.14 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
21:28 sekjal           @wunder washington DC
21:28 Space_Librarian  what they don't tell you is about the 95kmph gusts
21:28 wizzyrea         rain rain all day long
21:27 huginn           wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 14.5°C (4:27 PM CDT on March 19, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Rising).
21:27 wizzyrea         @wunder Lawrence, KS
21:27 huginn           Space_Librarian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0°C (10:00 AM NZDT on March 20, 2012). Conditions: Rain Showers. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Rising).
21:27 Space_Librarian  @wunder wellington, nz
21:27 Space_Librarian  hey sekjal!
21:27 sekjal           howdy, Space_Librarian
21:25 Space_Librarian  o/
21:20 wahanui          i think template is a copy from output
21:20 libsysguy        template
21:20 libsysguy        that is what I am thinking
21:20 wizzyrea         probably in the template? wrong variable?
21:19 * libsysguy      is frantically trying to find where it is incorrectly setting the datedue
21:19 sekjal           hopefully we'll be done with hourly tonight or tomorrow, and you'll have til Friday to get the fix in
21:18 libsysguy        aww thanks wizzyrea
21:18 wizzyrea         I'll wait til your thing is in though :P
21:17 * wizzyrea       is of a mind to fix it. Maybe.
21:17 wizzyrea         it oughta be an include. </grump>
21:17 * wizzyrea       is really mad about the fact that you would even have to look at both
21:16 libsysguy        im a little sad I didn't catch that
21:12 libsysguy        ok ill look at an hourly item
21:11 wizzyrea         not the checkout time
21:11 sekjal           it says I checked it out 1 hour from now (when it's due)
21:11 wizzyrea         checked out is showing the return time
21:11 sekjal           it's the 'checked out on' column
21:11 sekjal           that's technically correct, just not particularly detailed
21:10 wizzyrea         otherwise, it's not helpful?
21:10 sekjal           right, the problem isn't the due column
21:10 wizzyrea         with the time
21:10 libsysguy        but if it is due an hour from now…shouldn't it be due tdoay?
21:10 sekjal           minor thing, hopefully just display
21:09 sekjal           the checked out on column, though, has the due date and time, instead of the time I actually checked it out
21:09 libsysguy        ohh thats what you mean
21:09 wizzyrea         that table needs to be an include.
21:09 sekjal           date due shows as today's date, but without the time
21:09 sekjal           then, I switch to the Patron Details tab (members/moremember.pl), and scroll down to the checkouts table
21:08 sekjal           check out a 1 hour material to a patron.  Due date shows as 1 hr from now, and checked out on shows as todays date (no time). All this on circ/circulation.pl
21:08 sekjal           libsysguy:  here's how I'm getting the display issue for checked out on
21:07 sekjal           thanks, rangi
21:07 rangi            heh
21:07 wizzyrea         ctrl-w strikes again
21:06 * wizzyrea       sighs
21:06 rangi            and not in 5549
21:06 rangi            no guarantees it will work, but at least the patches are there now
21:05 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7751 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , Decrease loan period on items with a high number of holds
21:05 rangi            bug 7751
20:57 sekjal           it seems like it could be a valuable feature
20:56 rangi            k ill make one, dont want to lose this patch
20:56 sekjal           rangi:  no, I've not seen any bug report for these feature
20:53 rangi            if something has a ton of holds on it
20:53 rangi            or issue
20:53 rangi            something to do with not letting ppl renew
20:53 wizzyrea         i don't even know what it is :/
20:53 libsysguy        i was looking
20:53 rangi            anyone know if there is already a bug for the high holds stuff?
20:50 libsysguy        sekjal to help I passed along a patch to rangi that formats the datetime of the date_due and issuedate fields for curculation.pl and moremember.pl
20:49 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7595 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , Add branchcode to accountlines
20:49 sekjal           but in a sec.... QAing bug 7595 first
20:49 libsysguy        gracias sir
20:49 sekjal           will work on steps to reproduce
20:49 sekjal           then I went back and saw it in a non-renewal situation
20:48 sekjal           libsysguy:  I noticed the checked out on error when renewing a 1hr loan material
20:48 rangi            ill put the patch there so it isnt lost
20:47 rangi            if someone could make a bug for it, or point me to it
20:47 sekjal           lulz
20:47 libsysguy        silly high holds…man you'd think that patch worked for US congress the way it was sneaking into our patch
20:46 libsysguy        that's where it was hiding
20:46 sekjal           huzzah!
20:46 libsysguy        ahh ha!
20:46 rangi            and patch 32 has the highholds stuff .. getting rid of that
20:46 rangi            ah aha
20:45 libsysguy        i did a clean pull and it looked good to me
20:45 libsysguy        I couldn't find the issue you mentioned about checked out on
20:45 libsysguy        one thing sekjal
20:45 * rangi          is up to commit 32 of 80
20:45 sekjal           libsysguy++
20:45 rangi            libsysguy has the other ones covered
20:45 sekjal           I've got a whole evening to kill
20:44 sekjal           I can work on some of the other issues, too, if extra hands would help
20:44 sekjal           great, let me know, and I'll pull
20:44 rangi            ill push a new branch when its done
20:44 libsysguy        sekjal :)
20:44 sekjal           thanks, rangi
20:44 libsysguy        o/
20:44 * rangi          is rebasing 5549 to fix the .po issue
20:42 sekjal           hey, rangi
20:42 rangi            hi sekjal
20:42 sekjal           evening, #koha
20:39 patric2          thanks
20:39 rangi            usually with a vendor called donations
20:39 patric2          as far as aquisitions
20:38 patric2          How are donated books usually handled?
20:27 wizzyrea         shush
20:26 magnuse          yeah, that might do it too, eythian_bucklame
20:26 wahanui          eythian_bucklame: that doesn't look right
20:26 eythian_bucklame change his nickname to say that he's away!
20:22 magnuse          hey wizzyrea, know what you could do to stop him nagging?
20:22 * magnuse        agrees
20:19 jcamins          :)
20:19 wizzyrea         but mostly funny
20:19 * wizzyrea       thinks jcamins is simultaneously the funniest and most annoying nag ever
20:19 magnuse          hm, i wonder what that could be...
20:19 jcamins          If only there were some way to reduce that number...
20:18 magnuse          it sure is
20:17 jcamins          That's a lot.
20:17 jcamins          There are 554 bugs with a pushed status.
20:16 jcamins          *hint
20:16 jcamins          Hint hing.
20:16 jcamins          We should close some of those!
20:16 jcamins          I know!
20:16 jcamins          Hey!
20:16 jcamins          All the open bugs with the Pushed to Master status make it easy for a bug to be overlooked.
20:15 wizzyrea         I assumed that it would be - but I think it was overlooked for 3.6.4
20:14 jcamins          It's marked as a bug.
20:14 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6539 minor, P3, ---, peter.lorimer, Pushed to Master , Z39.50 Search ISBN Field Populated with title
20:14 jcamins          bug 6539
20:14 wizzyrea         thanks huginn
20:14 huginn           wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
20:14 wizzyrea         @later tell chris_n bug 6539 will be in 3.6.5 or no?
19:45 rangi            we broke the homeoffice
19:45 rangi            Reference #3.25f184ce.1332186303.3e24bf2a
19:45 rangi            The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.
19:45 rangi            lol
19:44 rangi            you could reply to that recent email with that link :)
19:44 rangi            slef: looks good
19:43 edveal           Anyone out there tried to edit what is visible in the drop down menu in the staff client item display edit, specifically the "Delete all items"
19:42 rangi            looking now
19:39 slef             dinner
19:39 slef             rangi: I need some scotch. I've just spent 90 minutes trying to understand recent changes to UK visa rules.
19:38 slef             please sanity-check http://koha-community.org/kohacon12/
19:31 rangi            doesnt hurt to have them there
19:31 rangi            hmm don't see why not
19:27 jcamins          Hey, shouldn't the release notes for stable releases 3.2.1-present be in master?
19:26 rangi            yes
19:26 jcamins_away     misc/release_notes?
19:26 * jcamins_away   catches up.
19:26 libsysguy        sekjal mentioned they needed to be removed but ive never seen them
19:26 jcamins_away     Oh.
19:26 jcamins_away     libsysguy: which release notes?
19:26 libsysguy        where are the release notes hiding
19:19 wahanui          sekjal was last seen on #koha 1 hours, 37 minutes and 39 seconds ago, saying: so, while I have connection, I'll wish you all a good day.  hopefully I'll see you later on [Mon Mar 19 17:41:46 2012]
19:19 libsysguy        seen sekjal
19:18 rangi            there will be definitely be some scotch invested in in edinburgh
19:17 rangi            :)
19:17 jcamins_away     rangi: whiskey?
19:17 * rangi          snort laughs
19:17 rangi            im investing in angels
19:17 wizzyrea         mornin
19:16 rangi            morning
18:45 wizzyrea         bye tcohen
18:45 tcohen           bye #koha
18:45 tcohen           got to leave
18:43 tcohen           that should do it
18:43 tcohen           koha-index-daemon --conf /home/mylib/etc/koha-conf.xml
18:43 wizzyrea         that's a v good point
18:43 wizzyrea         ooh, I haven't tested that either.
18:42 tcohen           on the same server
18:42 tcohen           wizzyrea, I also didn't test how does it behave with several koha instances installed
18:42 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5596 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , add author to holds to pull report
18:42 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7301 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Add default date limit to acquisitions histsearch
18:42 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7400 enhancement, P3, ---, matthias.meusburger, Pushed to Master , Add auto-completion on auth_finder
18:42 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7477 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Duplicate calendar
18:42 jenkins_koha     * oleonard: Bug 5596 [REVISED 2] add author to holds to pull report
18:42 jenkins_koha     * jonathan.druart: Bug 7301: 'From' field is 1 year ago by default
18:42 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7668 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Improve navigation and toolbar options in guided reports
18:42 jenkins_koha     * matthias.meusburger: Bug 7400: Add auto-completion on auth_finder
18:42 jenkins_koha     * jonathan.druart: Bug 7477: Followup: Fix perlcritic issues
18:42 jenkins_koha     * srdjan: Bug 7477: Copy holidays from one branch to another
18:42 jenkins_koha     * oleonard: Bug 7668 - Improve navigation and toolbar options in guided reports
18:41 jenkins_koha     * srdjan: bug_7140: Added item description to complement icon to search result and biblio detail pages
18:41 jenkins_koha     * paul.poulain: C4::Members follow-up
18:41 jenkins_koha     Project Koha_master build #661: STILL UNSTABLE in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/661/
18:40 wizzyrea         i have been loving it
18:40 tcohen           and have that fancy feature ready for use
18:40 tcohen           so we just do the same as we do to have the zebra-daemon running at startup
18:39 tcohen           i'd go with that code, integrating it a bit more, giving a complete solution (out-of-the-box) to the end user
18:38 * wizzyrea       watched a kitten soul go up to heaven
18:38 tcohen           'my approach'
18:38 wizzyrea         I saw that
18:38 tcohen           and I personally abandoned my own code
18:38 tcohen           I like the code
18:37 wizzyrea         if you do, then yea, we should use his
18:37 wizzyrea         do you think his solution is better?
18:37 wizzyrea         tcohen: I don't actually know
18:36 tcohen           we can fill a new one, for integrating frederic's lib
18:34 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5166 enhancement, P3, ---, gmcharlt, Patch doesn't apply , Reintroduce a zebraqueue daemon, make several rebuild_zebra.pl functions a lib
18:34 tcohen           wizzyrea: what do u think of closing bug 5166?
18:28 slef             wizzyrea: I think so. Let you know in a mo.
18:27 patric           back in a bit, changing laptops
18:26 patric           So yes I figured out something
18:24 patric           I have internal control numbers, and they are also our barcodes, so I'm planning to to import those numbers as 952p and 001
18:23 wizzyrea         appears so :)
18:23 wizzyrea         slef: did you get it figured out?
18:22 cait             you can use 001 to link records together
18:22 cait             d
18:22 cait             but I don't think they are actually require
18:22 cait             they can be useful
18:22 cait             hm
18:20 patric           are 001's required?
18:14 cait             here you go :)
18:14 cait             ah
18:14 wahanui          hmmm... 952 is the field used for items in Koha. See http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Holdings_data_fields_%289xx%29
18:14 cait             952?
18:14 cait             items?
18:13 cait             items`
18:13 wahanui          item information is interesting
18:13 cait             item information?
18:13 patric           ok
18:13 cait             because if you have more than one item for a record, 001 will not work
18:13 cait             there is documentation on the wiki
18:13 cait             patric: it should be in 952 p I think
18:12 patric           The number that's our current barcode, I've been assigning to control (001) that should be 925 also or instead?
18:12 * cait           waves from the hotel
18:12 wahanui          The MARC specs live at http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/ - abandon hope all ye who enter here.
18:12 slef             patric: marc?
18:11 wahanui          well, same material is different depending on the department.
18:11 slef             same material?
18:11 patric           Marc question.
18:11 wizzyrea         follow*
18:10 wizzyrea         ah I folow now
18:10 wahanui          i heard koha was a free software ils see http://koha-community.org for more info
18:10 slef             koha?
18:10 * slef           is trawling wahanui
18:10 wahanui          somebody said the koha community was an amazing thing
18:10 slef             the koha community?
18:10 wizzyrea         something is maddening?
18:10 * wizzyrea       looks around
18:10 slef             what's maddening?
18:09 wizzyrea         (yay!)
18:09 wahanui          somebody said :) was ok
18:09 slef             :)?
18:09 wizzyrea         \o/
18:09 slef             I can see it
18:09 wahanui          wizzyrea: I forgot reloading
18:09 wizzyrea         forget reloading
18:09 wahanui          rumour has it reloading is not an option as sessions might be stored there too
18:09 slef             reloading
18:08 wizzyrea         but they do now
18:08 wizzyrea         subadmins didn't have rights to it
18:08 slef             no I don't see that but I can look up the docs
18:08 wizzyrea         do me a favor, log out and back in
18:08 slef             cformsII
18:08 slef             thanks
18:08 wizzyrea         http://content.screencast.com/users/lizrea/folders/Jing/media/956c2f55-2736-4e03-8dff-27252d32d462/00000490.png
18:08 slef             and for those of us who don't want to let unknown websites run javascript? ;)
18:07 wizzyrea         http://screencast.com/t/bIC8HmBAECk9
18:06 slef             no :)
18:06 slef             looking for its docs
18:06 wizzyrea         do you see cforms?
18:06 wizzyrea         oh, yes - it's called cforms
18:06 slef             I think not but I can't see everythings
18:05 * wizzyrea       waves, too
18:05 wizzyrea         let me check
18:05 slef             wizzyrea: hi there. Does koha-community.org have a contact form plugin installed?
18:01 jenkins_koha     Starting build #661 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #644 12 j ago)
18:01 slef             mib_q411h3: If I recall correctly, liblime 4.0 is a fork of koha 3.0 and its development has occurred mostly independently since then. Some features may have gone each way, but I think real koha has developed best.
17:59 huginn           New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5596 [REVISED 2] add author to holds to pull report <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b3cae766949599c88095930b8fd37dabfc79a5cc> / Bug 7301: 'From' field is 1 year ago by default <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f3ba35c0a04265fa2ac1d9f2cb1483665a0b80f6> / Bug 7400: Add auto-completion on auth_finder <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdi
17:59 jcamins          mib_q411h3: it's a marketing ploy. No one here will support LibLime's software, though, so you're much better off using Koha.
17:58 mib_q411h3       i'm seeing liblime offering a koha 4.x, why have they changed numbers so drastically
17:56 * slef           takes a break and does some kohacon admin
17:51 cait             bye #koha
17:50 oleonard         exit
17:50 oleonard         Leaving too. Bye #koha
17:43 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6296 enhancement, P4, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , Allow authentication to Koha via PKI / x.509 certificates
17:43 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7408 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha.sekjal, Pushed to Master , Expire holds that have been waiting too long
17:43 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4976 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , Status of item returned with process_koc.pl is empty in Intranet
17:43 jenkins_koha     * paul.poulain: Bug 6296 follow-up: DBrev
17:43 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5698 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha.sekjal, Pushed to Master , Provide datepicker for sql reports runtime parameters
17:43 jenkins_koha     * robin: Bug 6296: allow users to be authenticated by SSL client certs
17:43 jenkins_koha     * f.demians: Bug 7408 Fix ExpireReservesMaxPickUpDelayCharge syspref definition
17:43 jenkins_koha     * kyle: Bug 4976 - Status of item returned with process_koc.pl is empty in Intranet
17:43 jenkins_koha     * jonathan.druart: Bug 5698: Followup: Add date picker option to SQL Runtime Parameters
17:43 jenkins_koha     * koha.sekjal: Bug 5698: Add date picker option to SQL Runtime Parameters
17:43 jenkins_koha     Project Koha_master build #660: STILL UNSTABLE in 41 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/660/
17:42 slef             sekjal: Hope you have a good day. Any kneejerk response to the item types discussion welcomed.
17:42 slef             I added the 5.00 fine to the FAQ
17:41 sekjal           so, while I have connection, I'll wish you all a good day.  hopefully I'll see you later on
17:41 sekjal           I'm getting a little too hungry to QA well anymore
17:41 sekjal           okay, I'm almost to my destination, where I shall attempt to find food
17:20 gaetan_B         bye !
17:17 jcamins          Ah, right.
17:15 sekjal           just in Baltimore now
17:15 sekjal           jcamins:  actually on my way to DC for Computers in Libraries
17:10 jcamins          Yay! What are you doing in Trenton?
17:10 sekjal           almost done with this train ride
17:07 clrh             -18:04- :       jcamins : One of the side effects of my work on bug 7284 is that SearchAuthorities no longer has any C4 dependencies.
17:07 clrh             -18:03- :       jcamins : I'll also point out that SearchAuthorities is a good candidate for moving after ModZebra has been successfully rehoused.
17:07 jcamins          I'll be around less the rest of the week, but I'll do my best to look at any code produced and offer commentary.
17:06 clrh             tomorrow I hope
17:06 clrh             jcamins: all needs to be done, we didn't produce a line of code ;)
17:06 jcamins          I'm glad you're enjoying it.
17:05 clrh             juan_sieira_:
17:05 paul_p           really *great* !!!
17:05 jcamins          :)
17:05 paul_p           => for the fudge !!!
17:05 paul_p           jcamins++
17:05 paul_p           jcamins++
17:05 jcamins          Definitely important!
17:04 clrh             me I listed solr architecture we used and worked on packaging solr perl cpan dependencies
17:04 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7284 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Authority matching algorithm improvements
17:04 clrh             it was an install day, a discussion day, trying to make work thinks - tajoli listed everywhere zebra is used
17:04 jcamins          One of the side effects of my work on bug 7284 is that SearchAuthorities no longer has any C4 dependencies.
17:04 jcamins          I'll also point out that SearchAuthorities is a good candidate for moving after ModZebra has been successfully rehoused.
17:03 jcamins          Okay.
17:03 clrh             jcamins: for the moment I think no
17:03 clrh             we discuss today with juan_sieira_ and tajoli and joubu
17:03 jcamins          clrh: wondering if there were any questions. :)
17:03 cait             guilty
17:02 jcamins          :)
17:02 clrh             I think the little bird is called cait
17:02 wahanui          jcamins is an outstanding cook. or well-traveled and brilliant. or trying to think of a solution or awesome fixing broken email notifications or the wizard that forges queries in the deep fires of zebra or against all things wine.
17:02 clrh             yes jcamins
17:02 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7430 normal, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, jcamins, Patch doesn't apply , ModZebra should not be in C4::Biblio
17:02 jcamins          A little bird told me that you're discussing bug 7430 and the solr transition?
17:02 clrh             (not for a long time ;)
17:01 clrh             yep jcamins
17:01 jenkins_koha     Starting build #660 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #644 12 j ago)
17:00 jcamins          clrh: Around?
16:57 huginn           New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6296 follow-up: DBrev <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d69ebc05685050256d9ab44dbd94faced42cec02> / Bug 6296: allow users to be authenticated by SSL client certs <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4cbeeedbe8ee631777b814fabf8c999f48265c07> / Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_7408' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=235a9
16:53 huginn           New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6875] de-nesting C4 packages <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6875>
16:53 * jcamins        hadn't thought of that particular use.
16:53 jcamins          slef: ooh, that's interesting. I could use a feature like that.
16:52 slef             brb
16:52 slef             I mean, I have sent a reply...
16:52 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7716 enhancement, P3, ---, mjr, ASSIGNED , Statistical item type
16:52 slef             sekjal: reply to bug 7716. Thanks for your analysis.
16:49 jcamins          Now I just have to figure out how to install a certificate in a web browser and have it work.
16:48 slef             added to FAQ
16:48 * jcamins        throws a PKI party.
16:48 jcamins          Woohoo!
16:45 patric           thanks jcamins, I'm sure that's exactly right
16:45 Morthland        thank you.
16:45 Morthland        That's it
16:45 slef             this isn't in the FAQ. Probably should be. Seeing if I can add it.
16:45 jcamins          Just asking.
16:45 jcamins          This is from memory, don't take it as gospel.
16:44 jcamins          System administration->item types?
16:44 jcamins          Isn't it associated with itme type?
16:44 wahanui          i guess faq is found at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/
16:44 slef             faq?
16:43 Morthland        same problem
16:43 jcamins          patric: there are multiple 952s attached to some (or all) records.
16:43 Morthland        Set a new rule to make loan charge 0.
16:43 patric           Why are there about twice as man "items" as bibs in that import, and how come I can't clean it, or otherwise delete, any guesses?
16:42 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, tdavis, Failed QA , Hourly Loans
16:42 sekjal           so it's fresh in my head
16:42 sekjal           I just got severely fined on my test machine while QAing bug 5549
16:41 slef             sekjal has it right. I was going from memory again. I will learn.
16:41 sekjal           Morthland: under Admin, Circulation and Fines Rules
16:41 sekjal           Morthland: if you imported the example item types, they have a $5 fee associated with each of them by default
16:41 Morthland        Where is fines and loans? In the patron type?
16:40 slef             Morthland: and if there is nothing in there, it'll be the system preferences
16:40 Morthland        thank you
16:40 slef             sekjal: openvpn or rocks may help stabilise the connection
16:39 slef             Morthland: see Fines and loans rules
16:39 sekjal           slef:  I'm on a Dell Latitude laptop
16:39 slef             Morthland: loan charge of $5
16:39 slef             sekjal: what device are you using?
16:39 Morthland        why is that happening
16:39 Morthland        There is no enrollment cost
16:39 Morthland        On a clean install, every item I check out gives an automatic fine of $5
16:39 sekjal           I really shouldn't have expectations of train wifi, but ugh this yoyo connection is obnoxious!
16:39 jcamins          slef: so the answer is "yes." :P
16:38 Morthland        Howdy all.
16:38 sekjal           slef:  anyone can mark Failed QA if the patch does not work
16:38 jcamins          But "Failed QA" is the correct status.
16:38 jcamins          slef: you're a sinner! Only immediate repentance can save you!
16:38 slef             sekjal: am I meant to use Failed QA or did I just sin?
16:37 slef             patric: http://paste.koha-community.org/
16:37 patric           paste in here, or pastebin?
16:37 wahanui          slef: I forgot bug 7613
16:37 slef             wahanui: forget bug 7613
16:37 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7613 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Failed QA , OCLC Connexion Gateway
16:37 wahanui          bug 7613 is interesting to me
16:37 slef             bug 7613
16:37 slef             patch applied, but produced error on execution
16:36 slef             am I meant to use Failed QA or did I just sin?
16:36 patric           Hmmm, I have a software startup that's been running for about a year on no budget, maybe we should check out kickstarter
16:36 slef             nyaarfg :)
16:33 jcamins          patric: it's a project on kickstarter.
16:32 jcamins          patric: yeah, that was my thought.
16:32 Joubu            matts: MT8726, MT8727
16:32 patric           10k, rather
16:31 patric           I will make you some yellow plastic tape for 10, would you like 1 roll or 2?
16:29 jcamins          Does it really cost $10k to make yellow plastic tape?
16:28 mveron           Thanks, will do...
16:28 jcamins          Better to just read record.abs.
16:27 jcamins          It's out of date now, of course.
16:27 jcamins          http://manual.koha-community.org/3.8/en/kohasearchindexes.html
16:27 mveron           Did not find it...
16:27 mveron           :-)
16:27 jcamins          Or was, anyway.
16:27 jcamins          mveron: it's in the manual somewhere.
16:26 mveron           Does anybody know where we can find "Koha indexing chart" as mentioned in the manual "2. Guide to searching"
16:26 jcamins          Caused by an unidentified bug.
16:25 jcamins          kyleh: there are instances when there are exactly identical entries in reserves.
16:25 mveron           Welcome
16:24 patric           tyvm, looking
16:24 mveron           Patric: Maybe: Sytem preferences->Opac preferences->Policy ?
16:20 patric           where's single-branch mode set? Sorry for the silly questions, but I'm really making an effort, despite evidence to the contrary.
16:19 * wizzyrea       loves that we have swiss now
16:18 mveron           mbalmer is now on the way to Marseille, representing our Swiss koha club...
16:18 mveron           Hi #koha
16:12 wizzyrea         and things should be better.
16:12 wizzyrea         turn it back on, log out, and log back in as your new user
16:12 wizzyrea         turn off single branch mode, create yourself a new staff user with superlibrarian permissions
16:11 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6945 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, pelletiermaxime, Needs Signoff , Add a link to show a MARC preview in the normal view
16:11 nengard          paul_p can you update us on bug 6945 - is the patch okay as it stands as Owen and I noted?
16:11 wizzyrea         log in as a user that isn't the koha user
16:11 patric           More specifically, set library takes me a page where I am informed that single branch mode is on, but the expected pull-down with a list (1) of libraries does not show up.
16:10 wizzyrea         i mean, bummer?
16:10 wizzyrea         woot!
16:10 patric           Hey, I broke stuff!
16:04 wizzyrea         http://www.walkingpaper.org/5300
16:02 tcohen           ¿
16:02 tcohen           is there a way to show in the wiki the content tree instead of sorting everything alphabeticaly
15:59 wizzyrea         biblibre++ for sure. Sounds like a fun time. :)
15:59 sekjal           biblibre++ for hosting the hackfest
15:57 sekjal           :)
15:56 oleonard         It's not every day you have a room full of testers sekjal
15:54 sekjal           guess that's not really a bad problem to have.  means things are getting fixed and tested
15:53 sekjal           new bugs are appearing in my QAQ almost as fast as I can process them
15:52 cait             it's been a long day here
15:52 sekjal           but it's  not even noon here yet
15:52 sekjal           feels like it's already been a long day
15:52 * wizzyrea       loves marzipan
15:52 cait             wizzyrea: take some marzipan :)
15:46 libsysguy        not sure how to fix the .t file
15:45 libsysguy        yeah i guess remove the release notes, get the version number correct aren't big
15:45 wizzyrea         appears to be easy-ish stuff to fix though
15:45 * wizzyrea       is trying to help
15:44 libsysguy        heh
15:44 wizzyrea         libsysguy- that is not the worst qa fail I've seen. At least it mostly works.
15:42 cait             which seems to have happened here
15:42 cait             but you should not make commits including them
15:42 wizzyrea         ah okies
15:42 libsysguy        calls sekjal gandolf
15:42 sekjal           might be a typo
15:42 cait             and git always knows about them - I mean they are tracked
15:42 sekjal           wizzyrea:  no, it didn't
15:42 cait             ok :)
15:42 sekjal           cait:  it'll get resolved before anything gets through QA
15:42 wizzyrea         did 7001 add suburb? I don't recall seeing that in the updatedatabase
15:41 cait             whoever
15:41 wahanui          libsysguy is Koha's hottest developer or partying with swedes on his deck
15:41 cait             or libsysguy
15:41 cait             < translation manager assistant
15:41 cait             sekjal: can you please make sure the po files don't get deleted? it really worries me
15:41 * wizzyrea       calls libsysguy "ahab"
15:41 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, tdavis, Failed QA , Hourly Loans
15:41 wahanui          well, bug 5549 is libsysguy's white whale
15:41 wizzyrea         bug 5549
15:40 cait             mbalmer: the datepicker will perhaps be for 3.10 tho
15:40 cait             mbalmer: yep :)
15:40 * libsysguy      is crying
15:40 mbalmer          Sweet
15:40 libsysguy        i saw
15:40 cait             when these things are done - it will be very easy :)
15:40 cait             and asaurat is working on putting the date filter into the templates
15:40 sekjal           libsysguy:  not sure if I came through, but I'm done QAing 5549
15:39 cait             and this calendar has an option for those format
15:39 cait             with jquery calendar
15:39 cait             oleonard is working on replacing the datepickers
15:39 mbalmer          cait, we noticed that a german date format tt.mm.jjjj can not be selected. Do you think that is difficult to fix?
15:37 jcamins          How can one test the script for creating statistics on the sandbox?
15:37 cait             mbalmer: trying to fix some translation problems today
15:32 huginn           mbalmer: downloading the Perl source
15:32 mbalmer          @airport please don't fix all bugs yet, leave some for me, too ;)
15:26 jcamins          sekjal: what are you doing in Trenton?
15:26 sekjal           and almost to Trenton, NJ
15:26 sekjal           libsysguy:  almost done!
15:23 sekjal           blast internet on the train is lagging out so bad I can't lookup the info I need....
15:23 sekjal           okay, well it's something to double check on
15:22 cait             not the translation manager tho - but we use pootle for dealing with those :)
15:21 sekjal           anyway, I've only put that down as a 'warning' in my QA comments
15:21 cait             no po files in patches, never
15:21 cait             they should not be there
15:21 sekjal           me, neither.  I think we need the translation manager's insight
15:21 huginn           wizzyrea: The MARC code for the organization whose control number is contained in field 001 (Control Number). []
15:21 wizzyrea         @marc 003
15:21 libsysguy        im not sure what to say/do
15:20 libsysguy        hmm
15:20 libsysguy        right
15:20 sekjal           I wouldn't want this patch mucking things up for translations
15:20 sekjal           I'm not sure how they got in there
15:19 libsysguy        and since this is based on my branch and merged with master would suspect they didn't get merged back in
15:19 sekjal           I'm not used to seeing them in features, is all
15:19 libsysguy        i probably misunderstood
15:18 cait             and not from Koha
15:18 libsysguy        if they are supposed to be there its my fualt
15:18 cait             delete form the patch only I hope
15:18 cait             hm
15:18 libsysguy        you asked me to just delete those
15:18 sekjal           yes
15:18 libsysguy        rememeber when we were first QA-ing it
15:18 sekjal           libsysguy:  what's the deal with the .po files in the hourly loans branch?
15:12 cait             it seems to work from here
15:12 tcohen           mm, just too slow from argentina at least
15:11 tcohen           bz down?
15:05 cait             heh
15:05 jcamins          :)
15:05 wahanui          okay, oleonard.
15:05 oleonard         jcamins' fudge is also internationally known
15:05 wahanui          jcamins' fudge is awesomely evil
15:05 oleonard         jcamins' fudge?
15:05 cait             before you gave him the fudge - you are to blame for any damage done now
15:05 wizzyrea         jcamins' fudge is awesomely evil
15:04 cait             you didn't warn him
15:04 jcamins          cait: no he cannot.
15:04 cait             fuuuuudge!
15:04 cait             jcamins: oh, he CAN blame you for it
15:04 jcamins          Someone was working on it recently.
15:04 wizzyrea         did those intrepid souls document it? I'm not sure
15:04 wizzyrea         I am sure it has been done
15:04 edveal           General question for the community: Has anyone set up Koha to run on CentOS?
15:04 jcamins          oleonard: you can't blame me for cait's sugar high.
15:02 libsysguy        excellent
15:01 sekjal           libsysguy:  moving along nicely
14:55 libsysguy        hmm
14:54 sekjal           referencing a non-existent borrower field, borrower.suburb
14:53 sekjal           there is also some kind of 'printreserveslip' code in here
14:51 wizzyrea         I could eat that all day every day
14:51 wizzyrea         cait: I tried your fennel salad - omg yum.
14:50 mbalmer          of to marseille..
14:50 libsysguy        oops
14:50 libsysguy        its undef not 0
14:50 libsysguy        actually
14:49 libsysguy        but I'm not sure how dt_from_string('0') would handle that
14:49 libsysguy        it looks like try_issue is passing 0 for a DateTime, then AddIssue tries to convert it
14:44 sekjal           I think the problem is the test, not the code
14:44 sekjal           so fail
14:44 sekjal           and the resulting object is not a DateTime
14:43 libsysguy        returns**
14:43 sekjal           it's trying to issue to a borrower that doesn't exist
14:43 libsysguy        it looks like it tests issues and retruns
14:43 libsysguy        is reading the source
14:42 jcamins          What's rollingloans?
14:41 * libsysguy      starts panicing
14:41 libsysguy        yayy for making a patch large and out of control
14:41 sekjal           t/db_dependent/rollingloans.t fails
14:39 sekjal           somehow it got bundled with hourly loans
14:38 sekjal           this enhancement lowers the loan period on materials that have a lot of holds on them
14:38 sekjal           libsysguy:  sorry, was distracted
14:36 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5956 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , Highlight holds on check-in
14:36 libsysguy        bug 5956
14:35 libsysguy        hehe
14:35 jcamins          High holds, high holds, it's off to the library we go...
14:34 libsysguy        what bug is that?
14:34 sekjal           the High Holds development still seems to be piggybacking on this
14:33 libsysguy        glad to be of service :p
14:32 sekjal           which is pretty neat
14:32 sekjal           though that did let me test fines accrual on checkin
14:32 sekjal           not just the hourlyloans.sql
14:31 sekjal           okay, I needed to run the perl file in atomic update first
14:29 libsysguy        I don't think so
14:27 sekjal           libsysguy: do I need to do anything with timezones?
14:05 libsysguy        bug 5549 is my white whale
14:05 magnuse          yeah, let's not disturb sekjal until he is done with it :-)
14:05 libsysguy        its a scarry bug magnuse
14:04 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, tdavis, Signed Off , Hourly Loans
14:04 magnuse          bug 5549
14:02 sekjal           QA will probably plateau for a while... 5549 is going to take some time
14:02 sekjal           cool
14:02 magnuse          and they are reset every 24 hours
14:02 magnuse          sekjal: yeah, cumulative they are!
14:00 sekjal           magnuse:  I take it those numbers are cumulative, not per hour
13:59 cait             we have a big group of busy librarians here! signing off!
13:59 nengard          cool
13:59 jcamins          Nice!
13:58 magnuse          ooh http://div.libriotech.no/kohamisc/gbsd/gbsd10/hourlystatus-gbsd10.txt
13:57 libsysguy        noted
13:57 sekjal           moving on to SQL
13:57 sekjal           not essential, but worth noting
13:56 sekjal           one followup:  adding them to install_misc/debian.packages and install_misc/ubuntu.packages
13:56 libsysguy        no cpan for sekjal today
13:55 libsysguy        exactly
13:55 sekjal           all debian packaged, which is nice
13:55 sekjal           okay, so far so good
13:55 libsysguy        i think those are it
13:54 sekjal           do any others ring a bell?
13:54 sekjal           ran koha_perl_deps.pl -m, and found I needed to install ReadOnly, ReadOnly::XS and DateTime::Format::DateParse
13:52 * libsysguy      hopes I got all of them out of the comments
13:52 libsysguy        yeah you need that and those libraries
13:52 sekjal           libsysguy:  to install hourly loans, do I just need to input the hourlyloans.sql from atomic update?
13:51 magnuse          god dag wizzyrea
13:47 cait             heya liz :)
13:46 wizzyrea         heya
13:46 libsysguy        good luck sekjal
13:46 sekjal           hi, wizzyrea!
13:46 * wizzyrea       waves
13:46 cait             and thx for the analytics :)
13:46 cait             good luck ;)
13:46 sekjal           okay, on to hourly loans
13:40 libsysguy        the one in france sekjal?
13:39 mbalmer          paul_p, actually I will arrive 18:30 in Marseille
13:38 sekjal           though I wish I'd been able to go to the hackfest
13:38 sekjal           timed out well, actually
13:37 sekjal           which means I've got plenty of time for QA
13:37 sekjal           libsysguy:  I'm on travel most of this week
13:37 libsysguy        i mena i'm sure you don't have another job or anything :p
13:37 libsysguy        sounds good to me
13:36 sekjal           how about I start on it after 6831?
13:35 sekjal           fair enough
13:35 sekjal           libsysguy:  not yet
13:35 libsysguy        figured id poke a bit :p
13:35 mbalmer          would be nice to have a cellphone nr from one or two folks there
13:35 libsysguy        i was jw if you'd started QA-ing hourly
13:35 sekjal           wassup, libsysguy?
13:35 libsysguy        gotcha
13:35 libsysguy        like bad dandrif
13:35 mbalmer          paul_p, ok, thanks-
13:35 sekjal           libsysguy:  yes, but my wifi connection is extra flaky
13:34 libsysguy        sekjal you around
13:34 paul_p           mbalmer the one about your arrival and dinner ? yes, i fu: it to ppl that are already here (because I won't have dinner with your)
13:34 jcamins          (speaking of why one should accept no substitutes for Koha)
13:33 sekjal           looking at 6831 now
13:32 jcamins          Incidentally, rangi wrote a nice post on using citation management software with Koha.
13:32 jcamins          Ah.
13:31 magnuse          sekjal: ouch
13:31 sekjal           now they've given up, and are switching to Evergreen.  at least they're going open source...
13:31 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6831 enhancement, P2, ---, colin.campbell, Signed Off , Enhanced Workflow for adding analytical records
13:31 magnuse          bug 6831
13:31 sekjal           they tried to switch to Koha, but got LibLime's ILS instead
13:31 sekjal           back in Maine
13:31 cait             pretty please
13:31 cait             6831
13:31 sekjal           no, sorry, I mean the high school she attended
13:31 cait             oh yes
13:31 mbalmer          paul_p, seen my email?
13:31 * magnuse        tries to think of a solution for ILS woes
13:30 jcamins          sekjal: she left UMass for a high school?
13:29 sekjal           y'all missed me lamenting my wife's high school's ILS woes
13:29 sekjal           thanks, jcamins
13:29 sekjal           wow, train wifi is getting lag-tastic
13:29 pastebot         "jcamins" at 74.73.59.41 pasted "sekjal: what you missed" (15 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/314
13:22 jcamins          Sorry you asked, yet? :P
13:22 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6831 enhancement, P2, ---, colin.campbell, Signed Off , Enhanced Workflow for adding analytical records
13:22 jcamins          Ooh, bug 6831!
13:22 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, tdavis, Signed Off , Hourly Loans
13:22 jcamins          Bug 5549, too.
13:22 jcamins          Yeah, that's a nice one.
13:21 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5668 enhancement, P3, ---, mtj, Signed Off , Star ratings in the opac
13:21 magnuse          bug 5668 would be nice
13:20 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7600 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , Have book cover image script return single-pixel gif data
13:20 jcamins          sekjal: Bug 7600 is a good one for QA, too.
13:20 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7702 minor, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Test for C4::Heading::MARC21 should only run under MARC21
13:20 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7724 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Tests requiring Zebra should be skipped if Zebra isn't set up
13:20 jcamins          cait: Bug 7724, bug 7702.
13:19 cait             one of my pet peeves
13:19 jcamins          Oh, that's a good one too.
13:19 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7086 major, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Signed Off , Suggested by not saved when creating suggestions in staff
13:19 jcamins          Bug 7086
13:19 cait             :)
13:19 cait             7086
13:19 jcamins          sekjal: I just signed off on the one you asked for  sign off on.
13:18 sekjal           anyone want to nominate a bug for me to QA next?
13:18 magnuse          jcamins: thanks
13:17 jcamins          magnuse: custom search. Status changed by me, Status changed to "Signed Off," and then limit it to 2012-03-01 to Now in the Search by change history.
13:16 paul_p           hi mbalmer
13:15 magnuse          jcamins: how do you figure out that number?
13:14 marcelr          still 12 days to go :-)
13:14 magnuse          yay!
13:13 marcelr          jcamins++
13:13 jcamins          Wow! I signed off on 51 bugs this month?!?
13:13 wahanui          i think first question is "What are you trying to do?"
13:13 wahanui          hmmm... paul_p is the 3.8 release manager, and is very tall, and does not like coffee.
13:13 magnuse          first question?
13:13 mbalmer          paul_p?
13:12 mib_jt316i       Good morning #Koha!  Quick question, is there an easy way to configure the Language limit in advanced seach (OPAC)  ?
13:11 marcelr          magnuse: signed off==passed qa !
13:11 magnuse          jcamins++
13:11 magnuse          jcamins: you sure did!
13:10 jcamins          magnuse: and I did my part for reducing that number this month. :P
13:10 magnuse          65 bugs need signoff - nice!
13:06 jcamins          Awesome!
13:06 jcamins          Ooh, it works properly!
13:05 jcamins          Oh, awesome. Zebra's screwed up now.
13:03 jcamins          Pretty sure it is.
13:02 cait             and looked at the critical bugs
13:02 cait             yeah, I woke up early this morning
13:02 cait             jcamins: cool :)
13:02 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5068 critical, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , in add MARC record interface, concatenation of repeatable subfields in subject heading tags
13:02 jcamins          cait: I'm checking bug 5068.
13:00 magnuse          cait++
13:00 cait             I will try to take some :)
12:59 jcamins          :P
12:59 jcamins          The batch I made yesterday is for me!
12:59 magnuse          is anyone taking pictures?
12:59 jcamins          I didn't get to have any of that fudge.
12:59 jcamins          oleonard: lol
12:58 oleonard         jcamins, you'll send more as soon as it's wrapped? :)
12:58 cait             you must have had a lot of time!
12:57 magnuse          hehe
12:57 jcamins          I sent as much fudge as I had time to wrap.
12:55 magnuse          i wasn't counting on there being so many people...
12:54 cait             I am not sure it willl survive until we go home today
12:54 magnuse          hehe
12:54 cait             and told us it will have to last for the whole week...
12:54 magnuse          jcamins deserves an extra one for home made sweets, though!
12:54 cait             paul put everything on the table
12:54 magnuse          :-)
12:54 cait             magnuse++ and jcamins++
12:54 cait             thx to magnuse and jcamins :)
12:53 sekjal           thanks, magnuse
12:53 magnuse          wb sekjal
12:50 magnuse          you're welcome, alex_a and matts :-)
12:43 matts            thx :)
12:43 matts            magnuse, you're the one ! Even though you're not coming to the hackfest, you still manage to bring us chocolate !
12:43 alex_a           ;)
12:43 alex_a           magnuse: did i say you thanks for chocolate ?
12:31 jcamins_away     Didn't I do that one?
12:30 sekjal           brb (hopefully)
12:30 sekjal           hopefully the next one will have WiFi, too
12:30 sekjal           about to change trains
12:30 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7646 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, ssammons, Needs Signoff , Printing w/o the SQL Code showing
12:30 sekjal           easy bug to test:  bug 7646.  once it has external signoff, it should fly through QA (template only change)
12:28 jcamins_away     I am glad the fudge is enjoyed. The Irish cream flavor was specially requested by cait.
12:26 ArunRV2012_1     great. Many thanks.
12:26 jcamins_away     Suitcase unpacked. Now to wait for the contractor.
12:26 marcelr          i'll send you a script for several zebra functions; i run it under fedora
12:25 ArunRV2012_1     arunrv2011@gmail.com
12:25 marcelr          email?
12:25 ArunRV2012_1     that'd be nice!
12:25 marcelr          interested in a script for zebra?
12:24 marcelr          no woe
12:24 ArunRV2012_1     woe is me. It looks the deamon in init.d/functions is not what I was looking for. Looks like some debian thing not available on fedora.
12:23 sekjal           things are so much easier now, at least on Debian-based systems
12:22 marcelr          ;)
12:22 sekjal           never got past my first install
12:22 sekjal           back in the Koha 3.0 days, I was going to try writing a paper comparing the ease of Koha installation across platforms
12:20 marcelr          ArunRV2012_1: i run koha under fedora too; i do not use daemon
12:20 sekjal           morning, NateC
12:17 marcelr          :-)
12:17 sekjal           marcelr:  thanks for writing well commented, clean code.  marcelr++
12:17 clrh             thx!
12:17 clrh             jcamins_away: chocolates are delicious
12:15 marcelr          sekjal: thx for your qa on 7310 ! sekjal++
12:14 cait             hope the bag is not empty until I get my hands on it!
12:14 wahanui          the fudge is probably the ambrosia of koha.
12:14 cait             and the fudge!
12:14 oleonard         jcamins_away's too
12:14 magnuse          yay, hope you like it
12:13 oleonard         magnuse, your chocolate has been offered :)
12:05 ArunRV2012_1     lol.. of course. it looks like it's not a package, but a bash function in init.d/functions. Will try to source it and see what happens. Thanks.
12:03 magnuse          \o/
12:03 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7310 normal, P3, ---, m.de.rooy, Passed QA , Improving permissions on lists (virtual shelves)
12:03 sekjal           marcelr:  bug 7310 passed QA, one small followup may be needed
11:57 slef             magnuse: har de har har
11:57 slef             ArunRV2012_1: install the software package called daemon?
11:55 ArunRV2012_1     Hello folks. I've run into a few issues while installing koha on Fedora. "sudo service koha-zebra-daemon start" fails to start zebra server with the error "daemon: command not found". Any ideas on how to fix this?
11:52 magnuse          he has his own HTTP?
11:51 slef             still thinking about srdjan's HTTP
11:51 slef             stupid brain
11:51 slef             written, not requested
11:50 slef             nengard: yes, seen. No time to fix it yet. Need to look if UK requirements changed since the template letter I have was requested.
11:50 magnuse          ooh, lucky you! :-)
11:50 cait             hackfest lunch break
11:50 cait             we are having sushi now :)
11:46 nengard          slef did you see the email about some Koha community members needing invitation letters to get Visas?  I have gotten some people contact me directly for this info, but I told them to ask on the Koha list. We should get a template letter up on the wiki that they can download.
11:46 magnuse          have fun jcamins_away
11:45 * jcamins_away   heads over to the new apartment.
11:39 slef             big selling point AFAICT
11:39 slef             lets small libraries test it more easily, as long as they are aware it is slower
11:37 jcamins_away     hdl: I wouldn't use it, but I think having options is a good idea.
11:36 hdl              not going to argue on that.
11:36 hdl              But it is a personal view
11:36 hdl              i personally see no reason why CGI should be of any use in uptodate development and applications.
11:34 hdl              playing.
11:34 jcamins_away     hdl: oh, okay. Custom Perl handlers are interesting, though.
11:34 hdl              and trying to set something working.
11:34 hdl              just hacking.
11:34 hdl              jcamins_away: there is no discussion at the moment.
11:34 * jcamins_away   has no idea if that's what's under discussion, but he'll offer an opinion anyway. ;)
11:33 jcamins_away     hdl: seems to me that it's better to keep it so that Koha could be run under CGI.
11:31 hdl              http://modperlbook.org/html/13-1-Apache-Registry-PerlHandler-Versus-Custom-PerlHandler.html
11:31 hdl              http://perl.apache.org/search/swish.cgi?query=Apache+handler&sbm=SecD&submit=search
11:31 slef             found it... nowwww, how to pull one branch from there
11:29 * slef           looks to see if srdjan's work is in the catalyst repo
11:28 wahanui          OK, slef.
11:28 slef             wahanui: git trees is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Public_Git_Repositories
11:27 wahanui          git is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git
11:27 slef             git?
11:27 slef             git trees?
11:27 * sekjal         waves back
11:26 * jcamins_away   waves.
11:24 cait             slef.
11:24 cait             [off] I hope you didn't take that one then :)
11:20 cait             chatting on #koha while being on trains )
11:19 sekjal           hi, marcelr.  hi, cait
11:19 cait             hi sekjal :)
11:19 cait             sekjal: It's a new trend!
11:19 marcelr          hi sekjal
11:19 sekjal           the 21st Century is awesome!
11:19 sekjal           also, riding on a train
11:19 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7310 normal, P3, ---, m.de.rooy, Signed Off , Improving permissions on lists (virtual shelves)
11:18 sekjal           QA'ing bug 7310 right now, myself
11:18 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7613 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Needs Signoff , OCLC Connexion Gateway
11:18 slef             as soon as I've done looking at bug 7613
11:18 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7235 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, srdjan, Patch doesn't apply , Adding invoice number and vendor name to the moredetail page
11:18 asaurat          cait: bug 7235
11:17 slef             but soon
11:17 sekjal           ah, gotcha
11:17 wahanui          slef: excuse me?
11:17 slef             wahanui: slacker
11:17 wahanui          OK, slef.
11:17 slef             wahanui: RSN is Real Soon Now - or I'm not sure exactly when.
11:17 slef             RSN?
11:17 slef             email to come back at you RSN about statistical item type
11:16 slef             hi sekjal
11:16 sekjal           morning, #koha!
11:14 hdl              is running plack with starman on opac
11:14 hdl              dpavlin: catalogue.univ-lyon3.fr
11:13 slef             [off] cait: one of them looked like someone had, with a small cannonball.
11:13 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7613 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Needs Signoff , OCLC Connexion Gateway
11:12 slef             bug 7613 is interesting to me
11:12 slef             hi francharb
11:09 francharb        hello!
10:56 dpavlin          this enables plack to serve static files for development
10:55 dpavlin          path => qr{^/opac-tmpl/}, root => './koha-tmpl/';
10:55 dpavlin          enable "Plack::Middleware::Static",
10:55 dpavlin          sorry, ignore me
10:55 dpavlin          described in thened to Sender
10:47 cait             later :)
10:47 eythian_bucklame later :)
10:47 eythian_bucklame I'm going, bossy :)
10:47 cait             eythian_bucklame: and go to bed!
10:47 cait             eythian_bucklame: he wasn't smelly... so I think he mant the carving
10:46 eythian_bucklame you forgot to shower?
10:44 magnuse          lunchtime!
10:44 magnuse          nah, i forgot to do that :-)
10:44 oleonard         Tricky
10:44 magnuse          nice room, as long as you can get into and out of the shower :-)
10:43 oleonard         If you carved your initials into the woodwork somewhere I can look for it
10:43 magnuse          so she tells me too :-)
10:43 oleonard         Oh, and hello magnuse. cait tells me I have your old room at the hotel :)
10:43 magnuse          +1
10:43 cait             +1
10:42 oleonard         So for a while we'll have both
10:42 oleonard         After all are done, we will remove YUI
10:42 oleonard         ...and after 3.8 we will begin to incorporate each
10:42 magnuse          yay
10:42 oleonard         I will prepare separate patches for each module (tabs, autocomplete, etc)
10:42 cait             ? :)
10:42 oleonard         Okay, so new plan, re: jQueryUI
10:41 cait             [off] don't shoot it
10:40 cait             h islef
10:26 slef             [off] I'm still in England playing "hunt the new home"
10:26 slef             hi hackfest
10:22 Oak              :)
10:22 magnuse          nom nom!
10:22 Oak              magnuse, cookies?
10:21 cait             magnuse++
10:21 Oak              got it
10:21 magnuse          Oak: root
10:21 wahanui          cait: I forgot cait,
10:21 cait             forget cait,
10:21 cait             forget cait;
10:21 cait             hm
10:21 wahanui          cait, is probably "book stack" the word commonly used for the room closed to public where a library keep books
10:21 Oak              cait, ?
10:21 Oak              do I do ap-get install koha-common as root or normal user?
10:12 Oak              hmm
10:02 cait             cookies never hurt ;)
10:02 oleonard         Hello from Hackfest, #koha
10:02 Oak              will i have to offer cookies?
10:02 cait             yep
10:02 wahanui          here is where I work
10:02 Oak              here?
10:02 Oak              where?
10:01 cait             I am sure you can find someone who can help you :)
10:01 Oak              i've never configures Debian
10:01 Oak              crap
10:01 cait             or all the time
10:01 cait             sorry Oak - no idea about that, I use ubuntu most of the time
10:00 Oak              that /etc/apt/sources.list.d/koha.list file by the way did not exist. i have to create it and then add the line
10:00 Oak              done wget -O- http://debian.koha-community.org/koha/gpg.asc | sudo apt-key add -
10:00 Oak              can anyone please guide me trough the process? I have done apt-get update, and added deb http://debian.koha-community.org/koha squeeze-dev main to etc/apt/sources.list.d/koha.list
09:58 Oak              by scratch I mean installing minimal system with xfce gui and then starting fro there
09:58 Oak              have you configured Debian from scratch ever?
09:58 Oak              cait are you free?
09:51 cait             :)
09:49 asaurat          :)
09:48 magnuse          wow, what a strange time of the day to see oleonard :-)
09:48 magnuse          hiya hdl Guillaume asaurat oleonard marijana
09:46 cait             http://template-toolkit.org/docs/modules/Template/Plugin/Filter.html
09:46 asaurat          hi!
09:46 cait             http://template-toolkit.org/docs/modules/Template/Plugin/Filter.html
09:41 cait             :)
09:36 magnuse          guten morgen cait
09:34 cait             ok
09:34 mbalmer          cait, this evening
09:34 cait             morning magnuse!
09:33 cait             mbalmer: when will you be here?
09:33 cait             yep it started
09:33 mbalmer          it started?
09:33 magnuse          bonjour l'hackfest!
09:32 cait             #kohahack12 :)
09:20 marcelr          :-)
09:20 cait             are you going to virtually join us?
09:19 cait             hi marcelr :)
09:19 marcelr          hello France
09:18 Oak              :)
09:17 reiveune         hi Oak :)
09:17 Oak              hello reiveune
09:16 reiveune         hello
09:15 cait             heya Oak
09:15 Oak              hello cait :)
09:15 cait             make sure you get some of my chocolate from paul_p :)
09:15 cait             hello :)
09:14 Joubu            Hello :)
09:12 clrh             hello all
08:40 adnan007         ok thanks
08:39 rangi            ive never used it, you probably need to ask the ppl who made the livecd
08:38 rangi            i dont know how the livecd has set things up, so dont know where it would be
08:37 adnan007         ok but you tell me the commad for zebra configration
08:37 rangi            ahh, i dont know about that then sorry
08:35 adnan007         i install koha from a live cd which i get this is wit ubonto install ubonto it will install all the software including dspece joomla and koha
08:33 rangi            what instructions did you use to install Koha ?
08:31 adnan007         where i find that zebra
08:30 rangi            you followed all the install instructions?
08:30 adnan007         how
08:30 rangi            ahh then do you have zebrasrv running? and hte cronjob for rebuild_zebra.pl set up?
08:29 adnan007            3.04
08:28 rangi            what version of koha adnan007 ?
08:28 adnan007         yes in catlog searching i enter the keyword then submit
08:27 magnuse          adnan007: how are you trying to see the records? by searching for them?
08:26 adnan007         how i can resolve this issue
08:26 adnan007         i am imorting my marc file in koha its shows that 3000 recoed added but when i want to see i cant
08:25 magnuse          sure
08:25 rangi            from the home of the anti opensource FUD, they are happy to use it when it helps them
08:25 adnan007         can anybody help me in this regard
08:24 rangi            lol magnuse
08:24 adnan007         i need help regarding importing data in koha
08:24 wahanui          what's up, adnan007
08:24 adnan007         hi
08:24 magnuse          hm http://www.sirsidynix.com/blog/perl-for-beginners
08:14 * magnuse        just remembered to start collecting stats for gbsw http://div.libriotech.no/kohamisc/gbsd/gbsd10/hourlystatus-gbsd10.txt
07:56 anitsirk         well, wunder is not really correct. wellington also has light rain. put that humidity up ;-)
07:56 huginn           magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -2.0°C (8:20 AM CET on March 19, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: -7.0°C. Windchill: -5.0°C. Pressure: 29.50 in 999 hPa (Steady).
07:56 magnuse          @wunder boo
07:56 huginn           magnuse: The current temperature in Auckland, New Zealand is 15.0°C (8:00 PM NZDT on March 19, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady).
07:56 magnuse          @wunder auckland, nz
07:55 huginn           magnuse: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (8:00 PM NZDT on March 19, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady).
07:55 magnuse          @wunder wellington, nz
07:55 anitsirk         eythian_bucklame: then it's not any better than in welly
07:54 marcelr          hi julian eythian
07:54 eythian_bucklame ah lot rubbish, really :)
07:54 anitsirk         how's the weather up north, eythian_bucklame?
07:54 anitsirk         hi julian_m and eythian_bucklame
07:54 eythian_bucklame hiya
07:53 magnuse          kia ora eythian_bucklame!
07:52 julian_m         hi
07:51 mbalmer          installed my SIP client on my laptop, so I can hack on SIP in marseille as well
07:46 anitsirk         hi marcelr
07:45 marcelr          hi anitsirk
07:45 * anitsirk       is in search of a new bug to test
07:43 marcelr          hi rangi, magnuse
07:42 magnuse          hiya marcelr
07:42 rangi            hi marcelr
07:42 marcelr          hi koha
07:37 anitsirk         oh. i'll bookmark that.
07:35 rangi            also you can use pastebot paste.koha-community.org
07:34 anitsirk         yeah. patch didn't apply
07:33 anitsirk         rangi: see the private chat. there were too many lines
07:33 rangi            patch didnt apply?
07:33 anitsirk         oh no. something went wrong. :-(
07:32 magnuse          biblibre++
07:32 anitsirk         just waiting for the sandbox to be reloaded. the biblibre sandboxes are a really cool idea. less git for novices :-)
07:31 anitsirk         oh thank you, rangi.
07:31 magnuse          ah, cool
07:31 mbalmer          magnuse, no, today I work with the swiss koha support group and in the evening I fly to marseille
07:30 rangi            anitsirk: http://manual.koha-community.org/3.4/en/serials.html#newsubscription
07:30 magnuse          mbalmer: are you in marseille?
07:30 magnuse          not yet, by the looks of it :-)
07:30 mbalmer          so when do you guys start in the morning?
07:29 magnuse          bonjour mbalmer
07:29 mbalmer          good morning, koha, hackfest
07:29 rangi            just have to figure out how to a serial subscription now
07:29 magnuse          hiya rangi
07:29 rangi            ah yep
07:28 huginn           04Bug 5354: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Partial duplication of a subscription
07:28 anitsirk         rangi: i found another one that seems to be achievable: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5354
07:28 rangi            ooohh
07:28 magnuse          anitsirk++
07:27 anitsirk         but it's bug squashing week and rangi showed me how to do it so i am attempting to test my second bug.
07:27 magnuse          and i completely understand that - irc can be a bit of a dsitraction
07:27 magnuse          no need to be sorry!
07:27 anitsirk         yeah. sorry, i'm usually not in the channel b/c i can concentrate better without irc ;-)
07:26 magnuse          long time no see, anitsirk!
07:26 magnuse          :-)
07:26 anitsirk         god morgen, magnuse
07:26 huginn           magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 7.0°C (8:00 AM CET on March 19, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady).
07:26 magnuse          @wunder marseille
07:25 magnus_afk       kia ora anitsirk!
07:25 anitsirk         good morning, europe. :-)
07:00 cait             hi mtj :)
06:58 * mtj            waves to marseille
06:16 cait             :)
06:15 Oak              having fun
06:15 Oak              ah, good
06:15 cait             in marseille for the hackfest
06:15 cait             no, ont yet :)
06:13 Oak              back home :)
06:11 cait             hi Oak :)
06:11 Oak              hello cait :)
06:11 Oak              kia ora #koha
05:30 cait             mmorning :)
04:45 mtj              found it ;) -> https://www.gitorious.org/koha-toolbox/koha-migration-toolbox
04:45 mtj              aaah, all good  - i was looking for ruth's koha-toolbox repo...
04:20 mtj              bag kyleh perhaps?
04:18 mtj              any bywater peeps about?
03:41 Amit_Gupta       heya bag
02:05 Arun2012         Thanks :-)
02:05 rangi            no worries, hope it works for ya
02:05 Arun2012         Thanks a lot.
02:05 Arun2012         I missed that.. lol.
02:04 Arun2012         !!
02:04 rangi            http://ftp.indexdata.dk/pub/zebra/idzebra-2.0.50.tar.gz
02:04 rangi            so no, just the tarball itself
02:04 rangi            you said that was giving weird errors
02:04 Arun2012         you mean, the src rpm, right?
02:04 rangi            last option would be try from the tarball
02:03 Arun2012         yes, I have tried that.
02:03 Arun2012         Nope Fedora-16
02:03 * rangi          assumes you ahve tried http://ftp.indexdata.dk/pub/zebra/redhat/
02:02 rangi            fedora 6?
02:00 rangi            just checking you hadnt stumbled onto a fork
02:00 Arun2012         Unfortunately, ubuntu etc. is not an option for me. Factors outside my control.
01:59 Arun2012         Yes, the latest one.
01:59 rangi            what version of koha are you installing 3.6.4 ?
01:59 jcamins          Most people use deb-based distributions.
01:58 jcamins          I do not.
01:58 Arun2012         Ouch. I am installing koha on fedora, and all my attempts at installing zebra from rpms are failing. I tried building from the src.rpm, but that's giving weird errors. Do you know of any tutorial/how-to on installing zebra on Fedora?
01:56 jcamins          Arun2012: there is no non-Zebra option for searching Koha.
01:56 jcamins          You'll have to install Zebra after installing Koha.
01:55 jcamins          Arun2012: no harm, but you won't be able to use Koha.
01:55 Arun2012         Hello everyone. Absolute koha newbie here, so be gentle :-) My question: is any harm done by installing koha without zebra?
01:06 eythian_bucklame (still an issue if your system is multilingual)
01:06 eythian_bucklame jcamins: well, if it's not set by default, it breaks it less...
01:06 Oak              got it
01:05 jcamins          The problem is, the textbox breaks translation.
01:05 Oak              hm
01:05 jcamins          Oak: I'd start with just a dropdown.
01:02 Oak              like a drop-down list of 4-5 names to choose from, plus a text-box to name it whatever you like?
01:02 * jcamins        likes a choice between "cart," "bookbag," "my shelf," and whatever the fourth one was.
01:01 jcamins          Right, that's why it should be an option.
01:01 eythian_bucklame though that'll have issues with people being used to "cart"
01:00 eythian_bucklame that's not such a bad idea. Or just a better name of some sort...
01:00 eythian_bucklame that too, yeah
01:00 jcamins          syspref breaks translation.
01:00 jcamins          Yeah, that's the problem.
01:00 jcamins          A syspref that chooses between common *translatable* labels?
01:00 eythian_bucklame I'm not sure what is, really, but that feels a bit wrong.
01:00 eythian_bucklame though, I don't think a syspref is the way to deal with something like that.
00:59 jcamins          You know what would be useful?
00:58 jcamins          [off] PTFS did one, but it... didn't work so well.
00:58 jcamins          eythian_bucklame: I think so.
00:57 eythian_bucklame jcamins: need a syspref to make renaming easy then? :)
00:56 jcamins          eythian_bucklame: it's doable, it's just that everyone hates the name. ;)
00:54 Soupermanito     oh well
00:54 Soupermanito     mmmhm
00:53 eythian_bucklame (at least, if everything has IDs/classes set as appropriate. If they don't, it's a bug)
00:53 eythian_bucklame you could rename it with some jquery
00:51 Soupermanito     yes the name
00:51 eythian_bucklame that's true
00:51 jcamins          eythian_bucklame: people like the feature, it's the *name* that people don't like.
00:50 eythian_bucklame people usually like the cart, but I think it can be turned off with a system preference.
00:48 Soupermanito     eythian, yeah well, thats the sort of thing i should be able to do, like because i want to XD
00:47 Soupermanito     one of the things she really, really hates its the shoping cart XD
00:47 eythian_bucklame changing much more than that will require messing with the templates and/or the code.
00:47 eythian_bucklame changing words is tricker, though I do a lot of the simpler ones with javascript. If you need more complex, you can make a custom translation.
00:46 eythian_bucklame in that case, it might be worth learning a bit on how to configure it, and then getting your friend to have a look through it and see what they'd like to make it do.
00:46 Soupermanito     i mean i never changed the images or the words or stuff, i should do that
00:45 Soupermanito     except i havent really "played" with it
00:45 eythian_bucklame Soupermanito: oh, then you're good :)
00:45 Soupermanito     did both of those things
00:45 Oak              well not a demo, a sandbox.
00:45 Oak              demo site: http://opensource.califa.org/sandbox/koha_bywater
00:44 eythian_bucklame I'd start by poking around a demo site to get a fell for it, then by installing it on your own computer and playing with that.
00:43 Soupermanito     where do you recommend me to start?
00:43 Soupermanito     mmmhm i see
00:43 eythian_bucklame Soupermanito: depends on what they need, a lot you can do without having to edit code.
00:41 Soupermanito     so, a friend of mine is working on an history library, and she is thinking about moving their current software for koha, so they might need someone who knows how to configure and edit it to their needs, she asked me if i would be willing to do so, so im thinking about what should i learn
00:40 eythian_         with some XSLT for fun
00:40 eythian_         definitely perl
00:40 Oak              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koha_%28software%29
00:36 Oak              well, that's not a good answer I can see now... "i think Perl". no it *is* Perl.
00:35 Oak              i think Perl
00:33 Soupermanito     whats the main language in wich koha is writen?