Time Nick Message 02:10 eythian http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/6572514/Inside-the-red-zone-March-13 <-- first 30 seconds of this has the view inside the Chch central library at the moment. 03:34 Amit_Gupta heya bg 04:05 Oak kia ora #koha 04:25 bag heya Amit_Gupta 04:52 Brooke o/ 04:57 mtj a random git Q from me.... 04:58 Oak O Brooke how art thou? 04:58 Brooke :D 04:58 Brooke well enough 04:58 Brooke and you? 04:58 Oak good. 04:58 Oak same :) 04:59 * Brooke gives Oak a big hug. 05:00 mtj i cant explain why my cloned kc.org repo has *different* commit ids than kc.org 05:01 mtj ive just done a magical 'git fetch origin master' and 'git pull origin master' 05:01 mtj i have got the latest commits from kc.org's repo (thats good) .... 05:02 mtj yet my commit ids are all different ... wtf? - any explanation peeps :/ 05:04 bag hmmm… no clue.. did you git reset ? 05:04 bag that should clear them all out no? 05:05 bag or what are you comparing… gitweb to your commit numbers? maybe gitweb isnt realtime... 05:06 bag last one is a total guess :D 05:06 mtj errr , hmm, the commit string is rewritten as me, too - thats wrogn :/ 05:06 mtj compare http://git.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=koha.git;a=commit;h=9a4873bc4ceba454b99cb440ea1f0b7e09f48e90 05:07 mtj with ...http://git.kohaaloha.com/?p=head-dev/.git;a=commit;h=32e999d13d039d0bd3c203ce19806ed822bb655e 05:07 mtj same commit, but diff commit sha's and diff 'committer' values ?!? 05:07 mtj i'm not too sure why that happened... but clearly my repo got borked.. by me ;) 05:07 bag right I totally see it 05:08 bag ummm… try reseting or even just cloning a new branch maybe… But I've got no answer on how it got borked ;) 05:08 bag :P 05:10 bag heh sorry I was off looking at pictures of puppies… and then decided to take a break and look in channel… SO I am no help 05:10 * bag totally caught 05:11 mtj yeah, i might have done some committer-rename foo on it a while back... no probs 05:12 eythian mtj: maybe a rebase at some stage? 05:13 eythian I think commit IDs should only stay the same if the merge is fast-forward. If you've changed anything, the commit IDs will have to change as they include a reference to the parent. 05:13 mtj hmm, how to get git-log to show 'committer' info too... 05:14 eythian mtj: that's what the Author field is 05:14 mtj this looks like a nice little 'learning experience' for me... :) 05:15 mtj eythian: hmmm, author != committer ? 05:16 eythian define what you mean by committer? 05:16 mtj like this one... http://git.kohaaloha.com/?p=head-dev/.git;a=commit;h=32e999d13d039d0bd3c203ce19806ed822bb655e 05:16 eythian ah 05:16 eythian I don't know how to make it show that. 05:16 mtj author Jonathan Druart <jonathan.druart@biblibre.com> 05:16 mtj committer Mason James <mtj@kohaaloha.com> 05:17 eythian it's because it was you that put it into the repo. 05:17 eythian Presumably your branch is different in some point in its history. 05:17 mtj no probs... i'm gonna fiddle some more in this one 05:17 eythian If you want to make it match up, git reset kc/master 05:17 eythian probably with --hard if you don't mind losing whatever the change is. 05:22 mtj eythian: yep, thats what i was thinking too :) 05:25 eythian oh look, this system has duplicate barcodes too. How does that happen? 05:28 mtj eythian: ta , the 'git-reset --hard origin/master' worked a charm ;) 05:28 eythian cool 05:28 eythian you'll need to force it when you push it up to your repo 05:28 eythian by putting + before the branch name. 05:28 eythian (and making sure the server lets you do that) 05:30 mtj ... this also explains why my commit sha's weren't matching last nite with asaurat, too 05:32 eythian it's pretty easy for commit IDs to drift. 05:49 mtj bah, kc.org repo has 2 dupe commits ? 05:50 mtj 11 hours ago Jonathan Druart Bug 5341: Moves the "save" button to the top of the... commit | commitdiff | tree | snapshot 05:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5341 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Serial issues improvements 05:50 mtj 12 hours ago Jonathan Druart Bug 5341: Moves the "save" button to the top of the... new/bug_5341 commit | commitdiff | tree | snapshot 05:51 mtj and it causing me a merge error, i think? 05:53 eythian I shouldn't think it would. 05:53 mtj and deleting one of those 2 commits (in my repo) , fixes my problem :/ 05:53 eythian Otherwise it would be inconsistent itself 06:04 mtj im stumped.. they appear to be identical, but have unique sha's and timestamps ?!? 06:05 mtj master branch -> http://git.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/master 06:05 mtj commit 1 -> http://git.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=50585c34292b7aabfaabeba0db3f83612f55837e;hp=aed0d8a63d5005e1c343def9a8ccbd9403ccd4aa 06:06 mtj commit 2 -> http://git.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=da920b1da9f2f2895730758659d099245c2e64ba;hp=aed0d8a63d5005e1c343def9a8ccbd9403ccd4aa 06:07 mtj both identical commits... sequentially ?!? 06:07 mtj http://git.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff_plain;h=50585c34292b7aabfaabeba0db3f83612f55837e;hp=aed0d8a63d5005e1c343def9a8ccbd9403ccd4aa 06:08 mtj http://git.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff_plain;h=da920b1da9f2f2895730758659d099245c2e64ba;hp=aed0d8a63d5005e1c343def9a8ccbd9403ccd4aa 06:08 mtj with the same parent ? hp=aed0d8a63d5005e1c343def9a8ccbd9403ccd4aa 06:09 eythian it's not too unlikely if they're not all in one branch. 06:11 mtj hmm, but they *are* in one branch, the master branch 06:11 mtj take a look... -> http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/master 06:13 mtj i dont understand how those 2 dupe commits can apply, in the same branch *sequentically* 06:13 mtj ... when they are identical ?!? 06:15 cait good morning #koha 06:15 eythian mtj: no idea, too busy to look into it more at the moment though 06:16 mtj no probs i assumed so :) ... im gonna mail the dev list 06:17 eythian hi cait 06:17 cait hi eythian :) 06:17 cait hi mt :) 06:26 mtj email sent... and hi cait ! :) 06:26 cait :) 07:15 alex_a bonjour 07:24 cait @wunder Marseille 07:25 huginn cait: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 9.0°C (8:04 AM CET on March 14, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady). 07:25 cait hi alex_a :) 07:29 eythian when importing borrowers by CSV, and the data contains '"', what escaping method is understood by koha? 07:33 cait hm 07:33 reiveune hello 07:34 cait eythian: do I want to ask why borrower data would contain "? 07:34 eythian They just have place names in quote marks sometimes. 07:34 eythian I dunno why, but I don't want to change the data. 07:35 cait I am not sure really 07:35 eythian I've tried \" and "" but neither work 07:35 cait I think chris_n made it closer to the CSV spec 07:35 cait perhaps you can find something there? 07:35 eythian there isn't really any reliable CSV spec. 07:35 eythian I know far too much about this :) 07:35 cjh heh more csv fun 07:36 eythian for now I've changed them to ' but I think next time I'll just produce SQL statements. 07:48 cait eythian: there is a but somewhere, were we discussed some of the weirdness 07:48 eythian awesome, I think I have enough stuff in there to be prepared for tomorrow. 07:48 cait patron attributes and things, but I am not sure I would be able to find it 07:48 eythian ah right. I'll have to have a look. 07:48 cait and I meant bug 07:48 cait time for work 07:49 eythian not right now though, flying down south tomorrow morning to do a few hours of "intro to Koha" so that they can test their migration. 07:49 julian_m hello 07:49 cait bbiab 07:49 * eythian goes home 08:01 paul_p good morning #koha 08:04 mbalmer g'morning 08:10 francharb Hello! 08:13 magnuse kia ora francharb and #koha! 08:21 magnuse bonjour hdl1 08:33 * mbalmer is doing a Lua binding for the new C SIP library 08:41 magnuse guten morgen kf 08:41 kf hi #koha 08:44 kf god morgen magnuse 08:45 magnuse :-) 09:25 mbalmer woohoo, I can talk to Koha from Lua scripts, using SIP. 09:25 magnuse yay 09:31 mbalmer for thos interested in SIP from Lua: http://pastebin.com/2qDJarfc 09:49 xekhz hello ppl 09:57 mbalmer Bom dia! 09:59 xekhz boas 09:59 xekhz e onde es ? 10:03 paul_p good morning xekhz ! 10:04 kf morning paul_p 10:06 mbalmer more meaningful example: http://pastebin.com/9GJXvyAF 10:08 xekhz anyone from the USA 10:08 xekhz pvt me, i need to ask a favor 11:48 jcamins_away @later tell eythian I think you usw """ to escape quotes in CSV. 11:48 huginn jcamins_away: Error: No closing quotation 11:59 mle and how do you escape quotes in IRC/huginn? 11:59 kf heh 12:14 fabio_t hello #koha! 12:18 jwagner hello fabio_t 12:18 kf hi fabio_t 12:19 fabio_t hi there kf 12:19 fabio_t I can't delete patrons... could you help me 12:20 fabio_t ? 12:20 mbalmer you don't have the "Delete" option in the staff client, under the "More" button? 12:25 fabio_t mbalmer: you've given me a clue 12:26 fabio_t I've just discovered that this doesn't work only when language is switched to "italian" 12:26 fabio_t patrons' control panel is different too! 12:27 fabio_t thanks mbalmer :) 12:27 fabio_t I'm going to show you a screenshot 12:28 kf fabio_t: did you update your italian frameworks aftre you last update for Koha? 12:29 fabio_t hm no kf, do you mean manually? 12:30 kf fabio_t: every time you update koha, you have to regenerate the italian templates 12:31 kf fabio_t: koha will only update the english templates - so you have to run a script to take care of any other language. 12:35 fabio_t I'm going to check the wiki and koha.it 12:35 fabio_t thanks kf 12:35 kf there is a page on the wiki 12:35 fabio_t mbalmer++ 12:35 kf about installing new languages 12:35 kf there is the command you will need 12:35 fabio_t kf++ 12:35 fabio_t thank you 12:35 oleonard fabio_t: I can confirm that there is a javascript error on that page when using italian templates 12:36 oleonard var is_confirmed = window.confirm(_('Sei sicuro di voler rinnovare l\\'iscrizione di questo utente?')); 12:36 fabio_t yes oleonard, confirm deletion dialog never pops up 12:37 oleonard Double-escaped apostrophe? 12:37 mbalmer tutto bene, niente panico! 12:38 oleonard That problem sounds familiar to me, but from where I don't remember 12:38 fabio_t tried with .../deletemem.pl?borrowernumber=n in firefox bar too 12:38 fabio_t but I didn't achieve anything 12:38 fabio_t :) 12:39 fabio_t that double escape it's quite suspicious 12:41 fabio_t I didn't know I would have to regenerate localized templates with minor release updates 12:42 fabio_t good to know that anyway 12:50 oleonard fabio_t: Although keep in mind I have confirmed the problem in a freshly-generated set of templates so that's not the cause here 12:51 oleonard Hand-editing the relevant templates would be a temporary fix 12:52 fabio_t I will try it, thanks 12:52 fabio_t oleonard++ 12:52 oleonard circ-toolbar.inc and members-toolbar.inc 12:54 kf fabio_t: it's a pootle problem/bug 12:55 kf fabio_t: probably someone put \' into pootle - but it changes it to \\ which will not work - it's a known problem. best is to avoid \ in general 12:55 kf bug 4883 12:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4883 trivial, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, chris, RESOLVED FIXED, Problem translating \n (newline) with pootle. 12:57 oleonard Is there anyone here who can comment on the status of the holds rewrite? I saw a lot of Bugzilla activity yesterday 13:08 nengard oleonard we're trying to meet the timeline for feature freeze 13:09 nengard we had a meeting yesterday to get everyone on the same page - and by 'we' I mean others at ByWater :) 13:09 nengard so I don't know the specifics at this time 13:09 oleonard That's good news 13:09 * oleonard crosses his fingers 13:09 nengard me too!!!! 13:10 JesseM Good Morning All! 13:15 kf nengard: not sure, but is seems big and there is not a lot of time left 13:15 kf and feature freeze means you will also have to find someone to sign off on it in time... I think 13:20 fabio_t oleonard, you were right. I've removed one escape character from italian members-toolbar.inc and now the members' toolbar is displayed fine, and it works as supposed. thanks again, I'm going to understand how to fix it in pootle too 13:21 oleonard fabio_t: Be sure to make the same change to circ-toolbar.inc 13:21 fabio_t yes, thanks for reminding 13:26 kf fabio_t: I think the only way to fix it right now is to remove the ' altogether 13:26 kf escaping does not work correctly :( 13:26 kf see bug 4883 13:26 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4883 trivial, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, chris, RESOLVED FIXED, Problem translating \n (newline) with pootle. 13:27 drojf good day #koha 13:29 oleonard kf: So Pootle can't handle any string with an apostrophe? 13:29 kf it can 13:29 kf the problem is you can't use \ 13:29 kf because it will escape it again 13:29 kf so not esacping breaks the javascript 13:29 oleonard So don't escape in Pootle and it will be properly escaped 13:30 kf escaping it with \ will make pootle think - oh I have to escape that = \\ 13:30 kf which will also break the javascript 13:30 kf it doesn't escape ' I think 13:30 kf most of the time we use "" around javascript 13:31 kf which is the reason it does not break more often 13:31 kf so if you just do nothing it will work - but not in this case 13:33 drojf is there a way to make xslt view (like MARC21slim2OPACDetail.xsl) display the "description (opac)" part of an authorized value? 13:34 kf first question? 13:34 wahanui hmmm... first question is "What are you trying to do?" 13:34 kf :) 13:34 kf and hi! 13:34 drojf hi kf :) 13:34 kf and no, not so easy I think 13:35 kf the xslt looks at the marc record 13:35 kf hmmm 13:35 kf perhaps 13:35 drojf we use authorized values heavily for biblio data. like curriculum, "niveaustufe" etc 13:35 kf yeah 13:35 drojf yes that is my impression too 13:35 kf I wonder 13:35 kf I think i tdepends on what you write into the record 13:35 drojf i found bug 7379 and 7525 which make me think it is not intended to be working with non-item data at all 13:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7379 normal, P3, ---, adrien.saurat, Failed QA , copynumber is displayed 'as is' when linked to autorised values 13:35 drojf which is not really what i expected ;) 13:35 kf you would have to write the description into the record, not the code 13:36 kf item data is not using xslt 13:36 kf pulling from the database 13:36 drojf yes 13:36 drojf i know 13:36 kf I think it worked for us 13:36 kf we have alibrary using an authorized value list for cataloging of subjects into 653 13:36 drojf but if i can use authorized values for every marc field i kind of expected it would use them correctly too ;) 13:36 kf I think the trick is to write the descriotion into the record 13:37 kf not the code 13:37 kf else you will have to teach your xslt to translate the codes into descriptions... 13:41 kf hmm 13:41 kf should test that 13:50 fabio_t so, kf, best thing would be to replace "l\'iscrizione" with "l iscrizione" or another translated sentence without apostrophes, am I right? 13:50 kf yes 13:50 kf that will sure work 13:50 fabio_t ok 13:50 kf it's the only fix I know at the moemnt 13:50 kf at the moment 13:51 fabio_t I have to change it at http://translate.koha-community.org/ 13:51 fabio_t right? 13:56 kf fabio_t: yes 13:56 kf and on next release it will be fixed in the po file 13:58 fabio_t awesome :) 13:59 fabio_t now I'm quite busy, I will do it soon though 14:02 * paul_p is hungry of some patch to push ;-) 14:03 oleonard paul_p++ 14:04 kf paul_p++ 14:05 paul_p hi sekjal I just wrote before you arrived: 14:05 * paul_p is hungry of some patch to push ;-) 14:05 paul_p so you're welcomed to QA ;-) 14:08 sekjal paul_p: I'll see what I can do 14:08 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_7661' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=70dd8d8829a2aea308d7b45a937aacad074d7cb5> / 7661 Followup for resolving moved Record test <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=59483744aedf27d01e9e131cf61257a835ce02d5> / Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_7031' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdif 14:15 drojf zebra question: it appears to me that a search for "q=index:term" does the same as a search for "idx=index&q=term". is there a difference between those two? should i prefer over the other for some reason? 14:15 drojf s/prefer/prefer one/ 14:16 jenkins_koha Starting build #655 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #644 6 j 21 h ago) 14:16 hdl1 prefer the second over the first. 14:16 jcamins_away The second is unambiguous. 14:16 jcamins_away The first is highly ambiguous. 14:16 jcamins So, second is better. 14:16 drojf how is the first ambigous? 14:17 slef jcamins_away: did you just try to message me or did my IRC client randomly error? 14:17 jcamins drojf: What do you want from this search: "su:long subject"? 14:17 jcamins slef: I did not. 14:17 jcamins I left you a message with huginn a while ago. 14:17 slef I think it was that you just did /nick and made my client collide with an old query window. 14:17 jcamins Hehe. 14:17 drojf jcamins: find the term "long subject" in all fields indexed as "su" i guess? 14:17 slef np 14:18 jcamins drojf: I'd guess that too, but we can't be sure. 14:18 jcamins It goes through CCL parsing, which is a horrible, horrible thing. 14:19 kf ah 14:19 kf that explains 14:19 jcamins paul_p: you can probably QA and sign off on bug 7656. 14:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7656 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha.sekjal, Signed Off , "undefined" pop-up message when putting hold on reference item 14:19 jcamins *QA and push 14:20 drojf thanks jcamins i'll stick to the second version than. looks cooler too :) 14:20 kf bug 7557 - I removed the sign off from rangi when fixing the updatedatabase - should be easy to restest... (I hope it works now) 14:20 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7557 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Change hardcoded routing list note into a system preference 14:21 jcamins kf: I can't test it right now, but if you remind me how one does a routing list, I'll try. 14:21 kf you need a subscription 14:21 kf then you go to the serial collection page and create one from there 14:22 kf there is a note field for the subscrption, and the patch adds a general note as sysem preference, removing some hardcoded text 14:22 paul_p oleonard do you hear the plane starting to heat his reactors ? ;-) 14:23 paul_p H-48H before take off ;-) 14:23 * oleonard is going into his customary pre-travel freak-out mode 14:23 jcamins oleonard: you should be receiving a package soon. :) 14:23 kf oleonard: you will be fine 14:23 paul_p customary pre-travel freak-out ??? 14:24 kf oleonard: take a cookie and calm down 14:24 jcamins paul_p: you don't freak out prior to traveling? 14:24 kf oleonard: you can freak when I started to ask you questions :) 14:24 asaurat eat more chocolate 14:24 paul_p oleonard no, i'm excited ! 14:24 asaurat (that's the answer to everything) 14:24 paul_p (well, jcamins, not oleonard ;-) ) 14:24 kf asaurat: I feel I am going to like you :P 14:24 kf in person too I mean 14:25 asaurat hehe, mehr schokolade essen!! 14:25 paul_p taking a plane is still something i'm completly amazed to do ! 14:25 kf flying is fun :) 14:25 paul_p taking off, and, a few hours later being in the other side of the world is something I will never find "common" I think ! 14:25 oleonard I don't mind flying at all, I just never think I'm going to be ready in time :) 14:26 asaurat flying is fun, but airports are awful 14:26 drojf i like flying but every time i sit in a lane i think to myself "that thing is not supposed to be up here" 14:26 asaurat :D 14:26 kf oleonard: I am not flying this time, but certainly know how you feel 14:26 paul_p asaurat it depends. Some airports are better than others. For example, I hate CDG -paris-, I like AMSterdam 14:27 asaurat when we'll have flying cars without airports, that will be fine (rumors say it should happen in the year 2000) 14:27 kf and I have a written exam on friday... and will only be back for 6hours before going to marseille 14:27 * kf panics 14:27 paul_p oleonard and you have a quite long trip to reach the airport if I remember correctly ? (more than 2 hours) 14:27 jcamins paul_p: huh. I always freak out about traveling, even after crossing the Atlantic... 6 times in one year. 14:27 sturmtruppen hi #koha 14:27 jcamins (that was several years ago) 14:27 paul_p hi sturmtruppen 14:28 oleonard paul_p: 1.5 hours, but we make that trip often so it doesn't concern me 14:28 paul_p ok, in my memory it was longer than 1.5 hours 14:29 Peter Howdy, I have a question. 14:29 drojf Peter: just ask 14:29 jcamins oleonard: you are allowed to open the package in a travelling emergency. :) 14:30 oleonard jcamins: Okay, but I don't think there are any desert islands between here and France 14:30 Guest6234 How do I set the LCC to be the default organizing method as opposed to the dewey decimal 14:30 sturmtruppen i have a timeout error "error: Timeout (ZOOM:10007)". 14:30 sturmtruppen any idea? 14:31 kf what did you do before getting it? 14:31 kf Guest6234: look at administration > classification and filing rules 14:31 sturmtruppen zoomsh "connect opac.sbn.it:3950/nopac" "search @attr 1=7 88-11-73896-2" "show 0 1 xml" "quit" 14:31 sturmtruppen command line today... 14:31 kf Guest6234: administration > classification sources 14:32 kf and system preference DefaultClassificationSource 14:32 kf and system preference itemcallnumber 14:32 jcamins sturmtruppen: it's not working in Koha? 14:33 sturmtruppen yes, in koha it's all ok 14:33 sturmtruppen i have 2000 isbn. how can i insert the data in koha? 14:33 wizzyrea MARCEdit, probably 14:34 sturmtruppen i get the data by command line and "filling" the database by a sql 14:34 sturmtruppen is it a possibility? 14:34 Guest6234 I am here: /cgi-bin/koha/admin/classsources.pl 14:34 jcamins sturmtruppen: if it's working in Koha, then your command line is wrong. Unfortunately, I don't know that anyone here does a lot of zoomsh work. 14:34 jcamins No. 14:34 Guest6234 and can't find anything 14:35 Guest6234 can I do it through MARC, just default it to LCC 14:35 jcamins sturmtruppen: you could write a new script, but you can't just insert data using SQL. 14:35 Guest6234 ? 14:35 oleonard Guest6234: That page doesn't list anything? 14:36 Guest6234 no, it lists all the filing types 14:36 sturmtruppen jcamins: do you know why i cannot do that? 14:36 Guest6234 but I see no place to set the default. 14:36 oleonard Guest6234: System preferences -> Cataloging -> DefaultClassificationSource 14:36 sturmtruppen ok, i can try to fix the command line 14:37 oleonard Guest6234: /cgi-bin/koha/admin/preferences.pl?tab=cataloguing 14:37 Guest6234 fantastic 14:37 Guest6234 thank you 14:38 jcamins sturmtruppen: yes, because it is incredibly prone to error. The data is stored in MARC, and then copied to other places in Koha. If you modify the database directly using SQL, you *will* break your database. 14:38 sturmtruppen ok, understood. bad things! 14:39 fabio_t leaving... see you! 14:42 Guest6234 All my patrons have a default fine of $5, how can I change that? 14:47 drojf Guest6234: you can set an enrollment fee at administration-patron categories, maybe that's it 14:56 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #655: STILL UNSTABLE in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/655/ 14:56 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7609: Improving links to find analytics and volumes when using UseControlnumber (MARC21) 14:56 jenkins_koha * juan.sieira: Bug 7261 System Preference to select the first day of week 14:56 jenkins_koha * m.de.rooy: 7261 Followup to make tests consistent 14:56 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: bug 7261 follow-up DBRev number 14:56 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 7699: Restricted until datepicker broken 14:56 jenkins_koha * ian.walls: Enh 7031: More options for Advanced Search 14:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7609 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Improving links to find analytics and volumes when using UseControlnumber 14:56 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 7031 Follow-up: Staff search displays OPAC description instead of the normal description for the authorized values 14:56 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 7031 Follow-up, More options for AdvancedSearchTypes 14:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7261 enhancement, P4, ---, juan.sieira, Pushed to Master , System Preference to select the first day of week (Sunday or Monday) to use in the calendar (OPAC and Intranet) 14:56 jenkins_koha * m.de.rooy: 7031 Followup: typo 14:56 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 7031 follow-up typo fix & tab removed 14:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7699 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Restricted until datepicker broken 14:56 jenkins_koha * m.de.rooy: 7661 Followup for resolving moved Record test 14:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7031 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha.sekjal, Pushed to Master , More options for AdvancedSearchTypes 14:57 sekjal oleonard: sorry if my actions on bug 5596 were inappropriate 14:57 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5596 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , add author to holds to pull report 14:58 oleonard sekjal: Just a disagreement 14:58 sekjal I'm filing a new report to add subtitle to the biblio table, since it seems to be in such high demand 14:58 wizzyrea omg please sekjal 14:58 wizzyrea do that 14:58 wizzyrea please please please 14:59 wizzyrea I don't know why the subtitle wasn't included in the first place. 14:59 sekjal uniform title is... 14:59 wizzyrea would that eliminate the need for keyword-marc mapping? 14:59 sekjal and serials title 14:59 wizzyrea for subtitle? 14:59 sekjal wizzyrea: yes, *for it's current level of usage* 14:59 wizzyrea gotcha 14:59 sekjal I think the keyword to marc mappings are still REALLY good code, though 14:59 wizzyrea oh they are 15:00 sekjal just needs to be more thoroughly implemented 15:00 wizzyrea *nod* 15:00 wizzyrea well and documented 15:00 wizzyrea "htf do I use this thing" 15:00 kf using more keywords would be cool too 15:00 kf for different things 15:00 wizzyrea more keywords would be AWESOME. 15:01 sekjal anyone know the UNIMARC field/subfield for subtitle? 15:02 oleonard The reason it wasn't included originally I think relates to the original non-MARC structure of Koha 1.x 15:02 wizzyrea right, they probably would have just put the whole title in the title. 15:03 sekjal there is already an RFC for this: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Add_column_to_biblio_table_for_subtitle_/_remainder_of_title_RFC 15:04 Morthland How do I increase the barcode size on my printed labels? 15:09 wizzyrea hmm 15:10 wizzyrea ping chris_n - is changing the size of the barcodes on the labels possible/ 15:10 wizzyrea ? 15:10 mbalmer kf? 15:10 wahanui kf is cait or really, really sweet. or <reply>she gives me memory loss or a holds expert. 15:10 Morthland It is a little small for my reader, as we are printing on Avery 5160 Labels. 15:13 kf yes? 15:17 mbalmer kf, for the record: I just got information from OCLC that they extended the SIP protocol in their sunrise product to actually get fee details. 15:17 Morthland any luck on changing the barcode size 15:18 mbalmer but they do it in a strange way, imo, but still. Need to think if Koha should do the same or do it differently (and probably better) 15:18 kf mbalmer: I fear, that different ils do it differently because there was some demand for that feature 15:19 kf mbalmer: so maybe... it will have to be done in an extension kind of way... 15:19 kf not sure how best to achieve that 15:19 mbalmer yes, I also think every ils does it differently. 15:19 slef ungh. Is this enh? A feature for reference item readership statistics gathering, where items check themselves back in as soon as they are issued. Or can it be done in Koha already? 15:19 kf mbalmer: it's the problem of every standard I guess 15:19 * slef goes to reply to mbalmer while he waits 15:19 jcamins slef: ByWater did a development for that. 15:19 wizzyrea Morthland: looks like chris_n isn't around at the moment 15:19 mbalmer spell "standard" 15:19 mbalmer ;) 15:20 wizzyrea slef: I thought there was a statistical patron type for that 15:20 mbalmer they defined a field "FI", fee item, that they send in response 63 to a slightly modified request 64 15:20 wizzyrea you check out a book to a statistical patron, it counts it but doesn't actually issue the item and you don't have to retur it 15:20 wizzyrea return* 15:20 sekjal ^^ 15:20 * oleonard hadn't heard of that 15:20 jcamins Oh, didn't read too closely. 15:20 slef wizzyrea: they want to track which regular patrons read the items, so are looking for a statistical item type. 15:21 wizzyrea oh, hm, that's the other way round. 15:21 sekjal checking out a book to a statistical patron records stat usage, but doesn't actually check anything out. A cleverly disguised error is returned instead 15:21 wizzyrea so you want a statistical *item* that doesn't issue 15:22 wizzyrea because you want to know who had it 15:22 wizzyrea I think I follow now 15:22 jcamins slef: ByWater did not do a development for that. I was thinking of a discharge statistical thingy that sekjal would know about. 15:22 schuster slef - there is a patron category for checkout but doesn't actually issue it. 15:23 wizzyrea schuster: he wants to know who had a specific item, not just that the item was looked at 15:23 schuster I believe it is documented... statistical gathering only or something like that. 15:23 sekjal jcamins: we set it up so that checking IN an item not checked out could count as statistical usage 15:23 wizzyrea can't do that with a patron type 15:23 schuster ah nope. 15:23 jcamins paul_p: don't push bug 7444 with your proposed change! 15:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7444 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Signed Off , Use T::T date plugin to display dates omnibus 15:23 wizzyrea slef I think what you are wanting there is probably not existent in koha right now :( 15:23 paul_p jcamins I haven't, it's just a question ! 15:23 jcamins Okay. 15:23 jcamins Good. 15:23 chris_n wizzyrea: hi 15:23 wahanui niihau, chris_n 15:24 chris_n you too wahanui 15:24 wizzyrea hey chris_n - Morthland had a question about barcode size in labels - possible to make them bigger? 15:24 slef wizzyrea: the statistical patron type (which I had seen) probably means that the code is there, though. 15:24 paul_p (jcamins a question before pushing, because something look strange to me, as the patch is supposed to remove format_date() ) 15:24 wizzyrea yes, at least partially 15:24 chris_n the barcodes are scaled (or at least an an attempt is made to scale them) based on the label size 15:25 chris_n so the simple answer is "no" 15:25 chris_n the complicated answer is "maybe" 15:25 chris_n the final answer is "hack the code" 15:25 wizzyrea Morthland: did you see that answer for you? 15:25 wizzyrea :) thanks chris_n 15:25 wizzyrea the final answer? 15:25 wahanui well, the final answer is "hack the code" 15:25 wizzyrea love. that. 15:25 chris_n heh 15:25 wizzyrea the complicated answer? 15:25 wahanui well, the complicated answer is "maybe" 15:25 * wizzyrea giggles 15:26 wizzyrea the simple answer? 15:26 wahanui i guess the simple answer is "GO FASTER!" 15:26 wizzyrea LOL 15:26 chris_n haha 15:26 * chris_n has been doing plenty of that :P 15:26 sekjal jcamins: your signed off patch on 7444 introduced new changes to C4/Biblio... not sure why 15:26 wizzyrea the simple answer is also "no" 15:26 wahanui okay, wizzyrea. 15:26 wizzyrea the simple answer? 15:26 wahanui i heard the simple answer was "GO FASTER!" or "no" 15:27 Morthland sorry, I was out. 15:27 Morthland I am reading the history 15:27 wizzyrea :) it's no prob. 15:28 Morthland Thanks. 15:28 jcamins sekjal: without that line, your patch breaks other parts of Koha. Didn't I note that in the sign off? 15:28 sekjal jcamins: only very briefly 15:29 sekjal is it just that the warnings from CanBookBeIssued weren't formatting right anymore? 15:30 jcamins sekjal: yeah, but they showed up all over. 15:30 sekjal my patch shouldn't have had any effect outside of circ/circulation.pl 15:31 jcamins sekjal: it may just have been in the circulation section, but there were a lot of instances of dates not showing up. 15:32 jcamins Since it was a one-line fix, I went ahead and did it, and -- I thought -- added a note to that effect. 15:35 sekjal jcamins: I appreciate your testing and help. it just wasn't clear to me what I'd missed, and how you fixed it 15:37 jcamins sekjal: at some point, the format_date() should be entirely removed, of course, but for right now, this ensures that all the code continues to work. 15:38 slef mbalmer: I've had to round-trip sip3 through my office which is :( - I'll let you know when it's ready for download. 15:38 sekjal ah, I think I get it... I was trying to format the already formatted reserve date, right? so your change has CanBookBeIssued pass an ISO date, and then has the template use that to format instead 15:39 slef wizzyrea: simple answer? 15:39 wahanui simple answer is, like, "GO FASTER!" or "no" 15:39 slef wizzyrea: the simple answer? 15:39 wahanui well, the simple answer is "GO FASTER!" or "no" 15:39 * wizzyrea giggles more 15:39 slef wahanui: one of us is lagging. I suspect it's me. 15:39 wahanui OK, slef. 15:39 jcamins sekjal: right. 15:40 slef wahanui: you what? 15:40 wahanui i heard i was a bot 15:40 * wizzyrea thanks chris_n for those little gems in wahanui's database. 15:40 wizzyrea the complicated answer? 15:40 wahanui the complicated answer is "maybe" 15:40 slef wahanui: are you one of us? 15:40 wahanui slef: wish i knew 15:40 slef wahanui: one of us? 15:40 wahanui i think one of us is lagging. I suspect it's me. 15:40 slef wahanui: forget one of us 15:40 wahanui slef: I forgot one of us 15:41 mbalmer slef, many thanks 15:42 Morthland Does the auto-barcode function not actually work? 15:42 slef wahanui: One of us is crying, One of us is lying in her lonely bed, staring at the ceiling, wishing she was somewhere else instead 15:42 wahanui OK, slef. 15:43 slef Morthland: it works FSVO works. 15:43 wizzyrea one of us? 15:43 wahanui one of us is crying, One of us is lying in her lonely bed, staring at the ceiling, wishing she was somewhere else instead 15:43 * wizzyrea nods 15:43 slef FSVO? 15:43 slef wahanui: FSVO is For Some Values Of 15:43 wahanui OK, slef. 15:43 Morthland I don't get that. 15:44 slef Morthland: it works but it is easy to break it or want something more than it offers. 15:44 slef wizzyrea: I suppose it's not good to teach wahanui abba songs. 15:44 Morthland is it better to input our own? 15:45 wizzyrea slef: I think of it as making him more human. 15:45 wizzyrea ;) 15:45 wizzyrea eventually he'll become sentient 15:45 slef Morthland: it depends what you want. 15:45 slef wizzyrea: or suffer a mental collapse. 15:46 * wizzyrea has seen his database 15:46 Morthland well, I don't suppose we know exactly what we want 15:46 Morthland right now I have it set 15:46 wizzyrea considering how hilarious *we* are, it's no surprise that he's hilarious too. 15:46 Morthland Librarycode yymm#### 15:46 Morthland for example: 15:46 Morthland MCL12030001 15:47 Morthland but it only gives me MCL12030001 automatically, never MCL12030002, etc. 15:48 slef Morthland: have you already got a MCL12030001? 15:49 Morthland yes 15:51 slef @query autobarcode librarycode 15:51 huginn slef: No results for "autobarcode librarycode." 15:51 slef @query autobarcode 15:51 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4175 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , duplicate items does not obey autoBarcode sys pref 15:51 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4304 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , autoBarcode should increment from user defind value 15:51 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6981 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , barcode not incrementing 15:51 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7068 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , autobarcode not working when duplicating patrons 15:52 jcamins 6981 looks like it might be the one you want. 15:52 slef Morthland: see if it's similar to one of those and if not, report it as a new bug? 15:53 Morthland it is similar, but all that is over my head. I just barely got koha deployed 15:54 slef @query statistical 15:54 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3092 normal, P1 - high, ---, frederic, NEW , Data values storage and use 100 bug meta-bug 15:54 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3309 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Deleting authorized values when data exists 15:54 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3311 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Statistical reports should error if row and column aren't selected 15:54 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3202 minor, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, koha.sekjal, Pushed to Master , Creating new "child" category patrons - library not defaulting to the correct branch 15:54 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6403 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, koha.sekjal, Pushed to Master , Record local use stats when checking in 15:54 slef @query statistical type 15:54 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3092 normal, P1 - high, ---, frederic, NEW , Data values storage and use 100 bug meta-bug 15:54 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3202 minor, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, koha.sekjal, Pushed to Master , Creating new "child" category patrons - library not defaulting to the correct branch 15:54 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6403 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, koha.sekjal, Pushed to Master , Record local use stats when checking in 15:55 slef nah bug 6981 looks like it's for the naked numeric autobarcode not the librarycode version. So I'd report it as a new bug if I were you Morthland 15:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6981 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , barcode not incrementing 15:56 sekjal out for lunch. back later 15:58 Morthland allright, thank you slef. 16:00 slef "There is no keyword named 'statistical'. The legal keyword names are listed here." Well screw you Bugzilla, I won't put any keywords in if you're going to throw nasty red errors at me. 16:02 wizzyrea hrmph. 16:07 reiveune bye 16:29 kf timeto leave :) bye all 16:38 dgl-library Hi #koha 16:39 * wizzyrea waves 16:39 dgl-library Hi Wizzyrea 16:39 dgl-library I'd like to ask a question about preprinted barcode labels: 16:39 dgl-library We'd like to order some from http://www.budgetlibrarysupplies.com/index_files/Barcode.htm and they need to know the start number, the symbology (Code 39 or Codabar), and if there is a check digit on the labels. 16:40 dgl-library …………No idea………… 16:40 jcamins dgl-library: where are you located? 16:40 dgl-library India 16:40 wizzyrea you are just putting them on the books/ 16:40 wizzyrea first time ever? 16:40 dgl-library yes, for the first time ever. and also thought we'd use them on the back of people's ID cards as library-card numbers as well, if that's possible 16:41 wizzyrea sure it's possible. 16:41 jcamins dgl-library: in that case, you'll want to ask what the local standard is for libraries in India. 16:41 wizzyrea do you have your scanners already? 16:41 wizzyrea (most of them can be programmed to read whatever 16:41 dgl-library no, looking at ordering one from amazon 16:41 wizzyrea (easily) 16:41 wizzyrea I would stay away from check-digits 16:41 dgl-library what's a check digit? 16:42 jcamins dgl-library: the short answer is, you can get whatever kind you want, but it's best to follow the regional standard, whatever that is. 16:42 jcamins Sadly indradg isn't around. 16:42 jcamins Nor kmkale. 16:42 dgl-library jcamins: we're not going to do any interlibrary loans, it's basically a school library 16:42 wizzyrea ^^ though, regional standard... it varies from ILS to ILS 16:42 wizzyrea some ILS's make you buy specific barcodes 16:42 wizzyrea koha, however, does not 16:42 jcamins dgl-library: I'd still recommend trying to adhere to the regional standard. 16:42 jcamins dgl-library: it gives you more options for the future. 16:43 dgl-library hmm, anyone here from India today? 16:43 wizzyrea it's the middle of the night I think? 16:43 dgl-library yes, 10:13pm 16:43 wizzyrea yea no we almost never get people from india this time of day 16:43 wizzyrea oh you're in one of the crazy half hour timezones 16:43 wizzyrea how fun 16:44 dgl-library excuse me, perhaps the rest of the world is half an hour off…! :) 16:44 wizzyrea is 11:43am here 16:44 wahanui dgl-library: the xy axis in the trackball is coordinated with the summer solstice 16:44 oleonard wahanui: Wha? 16:44 wahanui oleonard: bugger all, i dunno 16:45 dgl-library wizzyrea: so as far as koha is concerned, it doesn't matter 16:45 wizzyrea right 16:45 wizzyrea oleonard: I was wondering where he came up with that 16:45 dgl-library jcamins: I'm doing some web searching to see what the standard is… but very little in this country is standardized :) 16:45 wizzyrea yea, I would probably go for longer numbers over shorter one 16:45 wizzyrea s 16:46 wizzyrea nekls uses 13 digig 16:46 wizzyrea digit* 16:46 wizzyrea avoid checkdigits, and make sure your scanner is compatible with whatever you buy 16:46 * jcamins tends to be a fan of the checkdigit, but he will defer to wizzyrea on this. 16:46 dgl-library still not clear on what a check digit is 16:47 wizzyrea when migrating, checkdigits cause no end of trouble. 16:47 wizzyrea either you can't get them out properly, or you can't get them in. 16:47 jcamins wizzyrea: really? That's idiotic. 16:47 wizzyrea yes. yes it is. 16:47 wizzyrea plus then you have to teach your scanner to read them properly 16:48 wizzyrea and you lose the manual and the scanner goes stupid 16:48 jcamins wizzyrea: really? Our scanner just read them right out of the box. 16:48 wizzyrea it probably depends on the scanner. 16:49 jcamins wizzyrea: the benefit of checkdigits is you can have a report to check whether your interns are using the barcode scanner correctly. 16:49 jcamins [off] Hint: they're not. 16:49 wizzyrea I have 40 libraries that we've moved into koha, by far the ones that were the most dramatic had checkdigits on their barcodes. We rebarcoded 2 libraries because of it. 16:49 jcamins Ick. 16:49 jcamins As I said, I like checkdigits, but listen to wizzyrea. 16:49 wizzyrea yes. 20k item libraries. it was not fun. 16:50 wizzyrea and koha doesn't care about any of that 16:50 wizzyrea really. 16:50 dgl-library wizzyrea: any favorite barcode scanners under $150 or so? 16:50 wizzyrea we learned the hard way that the very cheap ones, you get what you pay for. 16:50 wizzyrea slow reads, no reads 16:50 jcamins This is true. 16:51 wizzyrea excessive jiggling 16:51 wizzyrea to get it to read 16:51 wizzyrea so we buy ones that are slightly more than 150, let me see if I can find out what they are 16:51 dgl-library ≤$150 = cheap? 16:51 dgl-library thanks 16:51 wizzyrea sadly, yes 16:51 oleonard We will have no excessive jiggling in this library thank you very much 16:52 jcamins There are some in the $150 range that are decent. 16:52 dgl-library jcamins: I'm all ears 16:52 jcamins dgl-library: I'm trying to find it. 16:52 wizzyrea these are the ones we buy: 16:52 wizzyrea http://www.barcodesinc.com/honeywell/3800g.htm 16:52 wizzyrea they're not always that expensive, shop around 16:53 wizzyrea (I just googled and picked a product page from some shop. I'm sure they can be found cheaper) 16:53 dgl-library thank you 16:53 wizzyrea some as cheap as 132 on the googles 16:54 wizzyrea no idea what it would cost to ship tho 16:54 dgl-library was originally going to go with one of the ones with a 4.5-star rating on amazon — $36 or $52 16:54 jcamins That's the one. 16:54 dgl-library have you ever tried one of the contact CCD scanners rather than the laser scanners? 16:54 jcamins I think we spent $140 on it. 16:54 wizzyrea jcamins those are the ones you buy too> 16:54 wizzyrea ? 16:55 jcamins dgl-library: yes. You don't want those. 16:55 jcamins wizzyrea: right. 16:55 wizzyrea cool :) 16:55 jcamins wizzyrea: It was a lengthy process to figure out that the variety of scanner I bought is the exact same one you just shared. ;) 16:56 jcamins dgl-library: the contact scanners -- at least the cheap ones -- require a great deal of patience. 16:56 jcamins [off] And 50% of your interns/staff has no patience at all. 16:57 jcamins [off] And then they start typing in the barcode numbers by hand. And then you're in trouble, because they aren't barcode scanners, and make lots of mistakes. 16:57 dgl-library jcamins: quite right. 16:58 dgl-library jcamins: I only got interested in the contact scanners because this one got consistently good reviews http://www.amazon.com/Handheld-Barcode-Scanner-Manhattan-401517/dp/B002ATOSJ8/ 16:58 dgl-library but now will try to get a good price on the Honeywell 3800g 16:59 jcamins dgl-library: I'd be interested to know whether that one requires as much patience as the other CCD scanners I'd tried, but I am not inclined to spend money on it. ;) 17:00 dgl-library what about a stand? necessary to prevent damage? 17:00 jcamins I like stands. 17:00 jcamins They make it faster. 17:01 wizzyrea I've had libraries buy the cheap ones 17:01 wizzyrea and they always end up replacing them with the better ones 17:02 dgl-library according to POSguys.com "The Honeywell 3800g barcode scanner has reached end of life. The Hyperion 1300g is its replacement." 17:02 dgl-library http://www.posguys.com/barcode-scanner_3/Honeywell-3800g_752/?src=NT&pn=3800G14-SERKIT1E 17:02 wizzyrea bummer. 17:02 dgl-library still available, though 17:03 jcamins Presumably the replacement is similar, though. 17:03 dgl-library so to sum up: honeywell scanner and any kind of barcode as long as it doesn 17:04 dgl-library doesn't have the Dreaded Checkdigit 17:04 wizzyrea well it will do checkdigits too, I just don't really recommend using the checkdigit. 17:04 dgl-library and can we use these barcodes for library card ID numbers as well? 17:04 wizzyrea sure, as long as each one is unique 17:05 jcamins dgl-library: you just have to make sure the barcodes are all unique. 17:05 dgl-library at checkin/out will koha know what's what? 17:05 wizzyrea yep 17:05 wizzyrea as long as they are unique 17:05 wizzyrea so don't put 31000202002221 in as both an item 17:05 wizzyrea and a patron 17:05 wahanui i heard a patron was already there trying to checkout... can't say to them "oh, sorry, this is on hold for someone else" 17:05 wizzyrea for example 17:05 wizzyrea forget a patron 17:05 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot patron 17:06 dgl-library I understand 17:06 dgl-library thanks so much—I need to sign off now though 17:06 dgl-library will go ahead and buy quality. thanks for the tips again. 17:06 wizzyrea sure, have a good night. :) 17:06 dgl-library cheers 17:09 wizzyrea from the amazon review of that scanner he linked: "My other problem is every so often the scanner will misscan/misread for whatever reason and it won't activate again until I pull the cable from the USB port then re-plug it back in. The booklet doesn't explain this problem at all. I had to do my own troubleshooting which took a few hours." 17:09 wizzyrea this is what we were seeing 17:09 wizzyrea and it is *annoying* 17:09 wizzyrea simple fix, but shouldn't happen. 17:55 wizzyrea local cover images - they are compatible with the other cover image types 17:55 wizzyrea so if you have say, a local newspaper 17:55 wizzyrea you can add an image? 17:55 wizzyrea that's for you jcamin 17:56 jcamins wizzyrea: sure. 17:56 wizzyrea and it will display? 17:56 wizzyrea in opac and staff? 17:56 jcamins wizzyrea: yes, but so will the Amazon cover image. 17:56 wizzyrea so, if you get a "no image" 17:56 wizzyrea it will say "no image" and show your local image 17:56 * jcamins just jQueries the no image thing away. 17:56 jcamins Right. 17:56 wizzyrea aha 17:57 wizzyrea share the jquery? 17:57 wizzyrea or is it already shared? 17:57 jcamins I think it's already on the jquery library. 17:57 jcamins jquery library? 17:57 wahanui jquery library is found at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/JQuery_Library 17:57 wizzyrea ok cool 17:57 wizzyrea ty 17:57 jcamins Hm. 17:57 jcamins Not seeing it. 17:58 jcamins $('.no-image').hide(); 17:59 wizzyrea brilliant, thx 18:01 maximep trying to understand if bug 6598 is in master or not. The status says Pushed to Master, but there's no comment and not sure if the first or second patch was pushed :S 18:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6598 normal, P3, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , OPACFineNoRenewals syspreference does not stop user renewing in opac 18:03 jcamins maximep: git log origin/master | less [wait for command to run] /6598<Enter>n[repeat last as necessary] 18:03 * oleonard was trying "git log --oneline|grep 6598" 18:03 jcamins oleonard: ooh, that's even better. 18:03 maximep yeah... but I don't have a git clone on my machine 18:04 maximep I really should 18:04 oleonard jcamins: That one comes from paul_p 18:04 maximep isn't there a log of status changes in bz ? 18:04 wizzyrea history 18:05 maximep oh, cool 18:05 * wizzyrea only learned that last week 18:05 maximep pushed to master rel 3_6. nice! 18:21 oleonard I am frequently surprised to find bugs in Bugzilla I've never seen before. I always think I've seen them all. 18:21 wizzyrea lol 18:24 jcamins oleonard: there are more bugs in C4::Search than any one person could find in a lifetime. 18:24 oleonard Yeah, but they're not all in Bugzilla :) 18:25 wizzyrea AREN'T THEY 18:25 wizzyrea j/k 18:25 jcamins oleonard: true, but if people report them, it's just a matter of time until someone reports a bug you've never encountered before. 18:25 Morthland1 Howdy 18:25 wahanui what's up, Morthland1 18:25 Morthland1 Not much. 18:25 Morthland1 Trying to figure out how to enter in the author name for a book that a z39.50 search doesn't work on. 18:26 Morthland1 I'm at field 100 18:26 Morthland1 I think it ought to be 100a 18:26 Morthland1 but it won't let me input 18:28 jcamins Morthland1: you probably need to change BiblioAddsAuthorities to "Allow." 18:28 jcamins You know, I'm not sure that having it default to "Don't allow" makes so much sense. 18:28 jcamins Survey of questionable validity: how many people use Koha with BiblioAddsAuthorities to "Don't allow"? 18:28 Morthland1 that a system pref under cataloging? 18:28 oleonard jcamins: Maybe the question should be whether the default framework should be designed to work with authorities? 18:29 slef I think those with good authority files do, and some more would if adding authorities wasn't such an interruption to the workflow 18:29 oleonard Removing the link in the framework is a solution for libraries who don't use authorities (like us) 18:29 Morthland1 I don't really get what authorities do. 18:30 slef Morthland1: stop people cataloguing the same author under 172 slightly different spellings/expansions/transliterations. 18:30 jcamins oleonard: I think the framework should work with authorities by default, but maybe have that set to "Allow," since most libraries start out not using it, I think. 18:30 slef Morthland1: it says "this is the authoritative spelling of this name" 18:30 Morthland1 where can I input authorities? 18:30 jcamins Morthland1: in the "Authorities" module. :) 18:30 slef IIRC it comes up hard against z39.50 importing :-/ 18:31 slef so if you import lots, you might prefer BiblioAddsAuthorities 18:31 Morthland1 Of course ;) 18:31 Morthland1 I'm a total rookie. 18:31 jcamins slef: right. That's why I think it should be set to "Allow" by default. 18:32 jcamins There are very few libraries that do original cataloging exclusively. 18:33 Morthland1 We have about 5000 books without isbns, etc. 18:33 slef jcamins_away: z39.50 is such a big selling point, I think it's a good argument. 18:33 * slef tries a git pull 18:33 slef let's see if I get that duplicated commit others are talking about 18:33 Morthland1 is it best just to enter those in in MARC? there's no other way to get the job done, right? 18:34 slef Morthland1: you could search z39.50 on author/title and import 18:34 jcamins slef: Thanks. 18:34 * wizzyrea finally got that package install upgraded. Wowie, slick. 18:34 Morthland1 will that get any more responses? 18:35 slef Morthland1: depends who you are searching, but at least you stand a chance, whereas searching for a blank isbn probably returns nothing doesn't it? 18:36 jcamins Morthland1: if the books are in LC (or whichever database you're looking in), they'll show up. 18:37 wizzyrea jcamins didn't you do, ages ago, some hack where you showed a different "no cover image" graphic with the title on it for numismatics? 18:37 wizzyrea or was it just a different no cover image graphic. 18:38 * wizzyrea looks at donum.numismatics.org, ah how far we've come. 18:38 oleonard wizzyrea: I tested that option when we first implemented book cover images 18:38 wizzyrea http://donum.numismatics.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=coin 18:38 oleonard ...I think based on LibraryThing's example? 18:38 wizzyrea ah yes 18:38 wizzyrea this 18:39 jcamins wizzyrea: oh, that is on the jquery library. 18:39 wizzyrea bless you kind sir 18:39 jcamins wizzyrea: I thought you were looking to not show any image at all. 18:39 wizzyrea a little from column a, a little from column b 18:39 wizzyrea exploring one or the other of those options. 18:40 * magnuse waves 18:40 wizzyrea hey magnuse 18:40 magnuse kia ora wizzyrea 18:44 magnuse guten abend cait 18:45 cait guten abend magnuse 18:45 cait hi #koha 18:45 oleonard @wunder 45701 18:45 huginn oleonard: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is 24.0°C (2:40 PM EDT on March 14, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 35%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1014.8 hPa (Steady). 18:46 magnuse @wunder boo 18:46 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 1.0°C (7:20 PM CET on March 14, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Windchill: -5.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Falling). 18:46 magnuse @wunder marseille 18:46 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 12.0°C (7:30 PM CET on March 14, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Steady). 18:46 magnuse ooh, getting better 18:46 jcamins @wunder 11375 18:46 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Jackson Heights NY US, Corona, New York is 20.0°C (2:12 PM EDT on March 14, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 18%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Pressure: 30.08 in 1018.5 hPa. 18:47 slef @wunder dersingham 18:47 huginn slef: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Dersingham UK, Sculthorpe, United Kingdom is 5.6°C (6:33 PM GMT on March 14, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Windchill: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.40 in 1029.3 hPa. 18:47 wizzyrea @wunder 66059 18:47 huginn wizzyrea: Error: No such location could be found. 18:47 wizzyrea @wunder 66049 18:47 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Near Free State High, Lawrence, Kansas is 27.8°C (1:46 PM CDT on March 14, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 20%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 28.80 in 975.2 hPa (Falling). 18:47 wizzyrea oh boy. 18:48 magnuse wow, that's *hot*! 18:48 wizzyrea *nod* 18:48 oleonard Weird weather. 18:49 maximep @wunder cyqb 18:49 huginn maximep: The current temperature in Quebec, Quebec is -2.0°C (2:41 PM EDT on March 14, 2012). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: N/A%. Windchill: -8.0°C. Pressure: (Rising). 18:49 maximep soooooooooo much ice. Everything is covered in it. Fuuuuuuun. 18:50 * magnuse wonders if that was irony or not 18:50 jcamins Hehe. 18:51 * jcamins heads back to Forest Hills. 18:51 magnuse run to the hills! 18:55 rangi Morning 18:55 cait morning :) 18:55 magnuse ata marie rangi 19:01 Morthland My barcodes aren't showing up anymore 19:01 slef morning 19:02 slef I think I'm being dense. What's the quickest way in C4 calls to get (a) barcode(s) for a classmark (ideally checked-in)? 19:03 cait what is a classmark? 19:03 slef shelfmark 19:03 slef callnumber 19:03 wizzyrea call number? 19:03 wahanui i heard call number was in the location 19:03 slef I'll get the right jargon eventually :) 19:03 slef (we could do with an authority file...) 19:04 slef rangi: by the way, have you got experience getting data out of C2? ;) 19:04 Morthland My barcodes no longer show up in print. 19:04 Morthland They are there on the items 19:04 rangi Oh hey slef call for papers? 19:04 slef rangi: yeah I know I know, need to do that within 7 days. 19:04 Morthland but when I make a batch in label maker, they do not show up 19:04 rangi Yep 13, years ago 19:05 rangi It's or was a pick based system 19:05 magnuse c2 is what hlt had before koha? 19:05 magnuse and c4 is twice as good? 19:05 rangi Yep 19:05 cait :) 19:06 rangi Or might explode 19:06 magnuse yay, i learned my history lesson :-) 19:06 slef rangi: might talk to you about it later, depending if they come back. 19:06 slef (later = days not hours) 19:06 rangi Slef: Olwen did most of it she lurks on the list still 19:07 cait slef: booked flight and hotel for scotland now :) 19:07 rangi Me too 19:07 * slef returns to stumbling around the API looking for this callnumber->barcode method 19:07 slef I really should book a hotel before you take them all :) 19:07 cait you should :) 19:07 oleonard Is there a shortcut to immediately squash a new commit into the previous one? 19:07 Morthland Anybody know about this barcode issue? 19:08 wizzyrea Morthland: I'm not clear on what your issue actually is 19:08 Morthland My items have barcodes 19:08 Morthland but when I go to add them to a batch, 19:08 Morthland under barcode it shows:NA 19:09 wizzyrea did you change your layout? 19:09 Morthland I had. 19:09 Morthland Changed it back. 19:10 slef do I really have to do SimpleSearch followed by GetBiblioItemData? I thought I had an easier way once upon a time :-/ 19:10 rangi Look in items.pm 19:11 magnuse oleonard: sounds like it would be handy to make a shortcut for git rebase -i HEAD~2 19:11 slef oleonard: sounds like something git rebase can do 19:11 slef rangi: I am. I must be blind :( 19:11 wizzyrea Morthland: how did you change it 19:11 wizzyrea maybe try creating a new layout. 19:12 Morthland well, when I am actually adding them to a batch it says NA 19:13 wizzyrea spaces on the end? 19:13 wizzyrea maybe they're not indexed? 19:13 wizzyrea can you search for your books in the catalog? 19:13 Morthland let me try it 19:14 Morthland yup, 19:14 Morthland they show up in catalog. 19:14 Morthland Would spaces on the end break it, 19:14 slef biab 19:14 Morthland because that's possible. 19:15 wizzyrea mm no, I just tried it with spaces on the end. it seems to work 19:15 wizzyrea however 19:15 wizzyrea spaces on the fron 19:15 wizzyrea front 19:15 wizzyrea or an empty line in the list 19:15 wizzyrea will break it 19:16 wizzyrea and really, only spaces on the front 19:16 wizzyrea empty lines are fine. 19:16 Morthland what are empty lines? 19:16 wahanui empty lines are fine. 19:17 wizzyrea http://screencast.com/t/5Le9Y2FAtFz 19:17 wizzyrea space on the front: http://screencast.com/t/xsSXnF12k 19:18 Morthland Let me show you what I mean 19:20 oleonard wahanui: forget empty lines 19:20 wahanui oleonard: I forgot empty lines 19:21 wizzyrea oops 19:21 Morthland http://www.screencast.com/users/pnorcross/folders/Default/media/3cadcd85-11a0-46fd-9221-b4899a04db32 19:21 wizzyrea what version are you using? 19:21 Morthland 3.02 19:22 wizzyrea I get some of those too... but i'll have to check and see if it's because they really don't have barcodes. 19:22 wizzyrea I wonder if your zebra cron is running 19:22 wizzyrea because I tihnk that uses the zebra indexes to search 19:22 wizzyrea and if it hasn't been updated since you added the barcode 19:22 wizzyrea it would show NA 19:23 wizzyrea http://screencast.com/t/HxFzaNgSZ 19:23 wizzyrea yea, I have 2 items of brown bear that do not have barcodes. 19:23 wizzyrea so that's "normal" for me 19:25 Morthland How do I check Zebra? 19:26 wizzyrea crontab -e 19:26 wizzyrea you will see a rebuild_zebra.pl -b -z (or somesuch) 19:26 Morthland as a terminal command? 19:26 wizzyrea yes 19:26 wizzyrea if your cron is scheduled and set up 19:26 wizzyrea you'll see lots of stuff, actually. 19:28 Morthland I see not much of anything 19:28 wizzyrea yup, sounds like at the very least you'll need to run a rebuild_zebra.pl -b -z 19:29 Morthland as a terminal command? 19:29 wizzyrea yes 19:29 Morthland Everything in chron is commented out 19:29 Morthland ok 19:29 wizzyrea you could also just uncomment the rebuild_zebra line, if it's in there 19:29 wizzyrea and wait for it's interval 19:29 wizzyrea I forget what the default interval is 19:29 Morthland where is rebuild_zebra.pl? 19:30 wizzyrea git or standard install? 19:31 wizzyrea http://koha-community.org/?qa_faqs=added-rebuild_zebra-pl-b-a-z-crontab-however-entries-indexed-found-reindex-time-rebuild_zebra-pl-b-a-r-whats-wrong 19:31 wizzyrea aksi tgus 19:31 wizzyrea also this* 19:33 * oleonard is excited to show off Bug 7719 19:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7719 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Change state of controls based on whether boxes are checked 19:33 wizzyrea oooo 19:34 cait :) 19:35 wizzyrea hmmm it thinks there's a merge conflict 19:35 cait oleonard: lots of ideas for marseille? :) 19:35 wizzyrea in opac.css 19:35 Morthland 36 2 14 3 * rebuild_zebra.pl -b -z 19:35 Morthland something like that work 19:35 Morthland ? 19:35 oleonard wizzyrea: Huh, that was fast :P 19:35 Morthland total rookie. 19:35 wizzyrea yep 19:35 Morthland would that do it like a minute from now? 19:36 wizzyrea looks like whitespace 19:36 wizzyrea no biggie 19:36 * wizzyrea will fix 19:36 oleonard Thanks. git is really bad at merging CSS for some reason 19:36 wizzyrea there we go. 19:37 Morthland how long would that take to fix it? 19:38 Morthland I'm looking at something like this: http://www.screencast.com/users/pnorcross/folders/Default/media/ca13cb7f-ccd5-4474-9801-47563e730e81 19:38 Morthland and then this 19:38 Morthland http://www.screencast.com/users/pnorcross/folders/Default/media/255a8c6e-962f-4699-acd4-32f2a9c43656 19:39 wizzyrea oleonard: it still shows them as available when you are logged out 19:39 wizzyrea but works as intended when you are logged in 19:40 oleonard *grumble* 19:40 wizzyrea also, that looks so nice. 19:40 wizzyrea at least, placing holds from the cart 19:40 wizzyrea sorry :( 19:41 cait wizzyrea: zealot? 19:41 wizzyrea @google define zealot 19:41 huginn wizzyrea: Zealot | Define Zealot at Dictionary.com: <http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/zealot>; Zealotry | Define Zealotry at Dictionary.com: <http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/zealotry>; zealot - definition of zealot by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus ...: <http://www.thefreedictionary.com/zealot>; Zealots - definition of Zealots by the Free Online Dictionary ...: (2 more messages) 19:42 wizzyrea :) 19:42 cait it was more like... how did you get those tiles together! 19:42 cait ? 19:42 cait heh 19:42 wizzyrea hehe 19:42 wizzyrea yes, I was surprised too 19:42 wizzyrea lucky I guess. 19:46 cait :) 19:47 oleonard wizzyrea: I'm not sure what problem you're seeing. Can you explain? 19:47 wizzyrea ye[ 19:47 wizzyrea yep 19:47 wizzyrea hm, interesting 19:48 wizzyrea the 2nd time I tried it, it worked right. 19:48 wizzyrea after I had logged in 19:48 wizzyrea and logged out again 19:48 Morthland anyone have any ideas on this, 19:48 * wizzyrea clears cookies 19:48 Morthland I still have no barcodes 19:49 * wizzyrea doesn 19:49 wizzyrea doesn't 19:49 wizzyrea hmmm ok, I guess I'm crazy 19:50 wizzyrea which I'm sure will be a relief to you 19:51 * wizzyrea clears cookies further back 19:51 * oleonard doesn't really want wizzyrea to be crazy 19:51 cait hm 19:51 cait I like her crazy 19:51 wizzyrea haha 19:51 wizzyrea oy. 19:51 cait oy? :) 19:51 * wizzyrea is not sure there's another kind of wizzyrea 19:51 cait aren't we all a bit crazy? :) 19:52 wizzyrea ok I can't make it break again 19:52 wizzyrea must have been one of those things. 19:53 wizzyrea I like it, it's cool :) 19:53 wizzyrea tags too? 19:56 wizzyrea oleonard: that's pretty awesome 19:57 oleonard Thanks 19:59 wizzyrea oh I love git aliases. 19:59 wizzyrea crikey. 19:59 wizzyrea I will not get carpal tunnel no 19:59 wizzyrea now. 20:08 * oleonard wonders, again, whether he had code at one time for Bug 7257 or whether his screenshot was just a mockup 20:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7257 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Add a link to remove an individual title from a list 20:08 oleonard and if I had code...where did it go? 20:08 * wizzyrea invokes the "git ate it" clause 20:09 oleonard perhaps it hid in a poorly-named branch I summarily executed? 20:09 wizzyrea could be 20:11 * oleonard waves goodbye for the evening 20:11 wizzyrea bye :) 20:29 mbalmer SIP business is hard 20:30 mbalmer welcome to a world of incompatabilities ;) 20:31 bag gosh I love Koha!!! 20:31 bag just felt like adding that in :) 20:31 magnus_afk bag++ 20:31 bag tha's why we all do this… 20:31 bag @karma bag 20:31 huginn bag: Karma for "bag" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1. 20:32 wizzyrea @karma brendan 20:32 huginn wizzyrea: Karma for "brendan" has been increased 28 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 28. 20:32 bag sweet MY first ever karma increase :) 20:32 bag wizzyrea: you're cheating :) 20:32 * wizzyrea looks innocent 20:32 mbalmer I did not even know about this karma stuff. 20:32 magnus_afk @karma mbalmer 20:32 huginn magnus_afk: Karma for "mbalmer" has been increased 8 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 8. 20:32 wizzyrea @karma 20:32 huginn wizzyrea: Highest karma: "rangi" (528), "oleonard" (459), and "wizzyrea" (314). Lowest karma: "<!" (-109), "failed" (-73), and "-" (-43). You (wizzyrea) are ranked 3 out of 1982. 20:33 magnus_afk @karma magnuse 20:33 huginn magnus_afk: Karma for "magnuse" has been increased 142 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 142. 20:33 magnus_afk yay! 20:33 mbalmer I just know "I am sorry, my karma just ran over your dogma" 20:33 * wizzyrea nods 20:33 cait @karma cait 20:33 huginn cait: Karma for "cait" has been increased 248 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 247. 20:33 magnus_afk @karma kf 20:33 wizzyrea @karma kf 20:33 huginn magnus_afk: Karma for "kf" has been increased 159 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 159. 20:33 huginn wizzyrea: Karma for "kf" has been increased 159 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 159. 20:33 wizzyrea I think you're winning :) 20:33 * cait IS cheating :) 20:33 magnus_afk 248 + 159 20:33 wahanui 407 20:33 magnus_afk ooh! 20:34 wizzyrea oooooo 20:34 wizzyrea battle of the titans :) 20:34 mbalmer cait++ 20:34 mbalmer @karma cait 20:34 huginn mbalmer: Karma for "cait" has been increased 249 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 248. 20:34 cait wizzyrea++ 20:34 wizzyrea rofl 20:34 wizzyrea now now 20:34 mbalmer cait += 42 20:34 cait lots of people gave both nicks - I think addition is not right here :) 20:34 mbalmer @karma cait 20:34 huginn mbalmer: Karma for "cait" has been increased 249 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 248. 20:35 * wizzyrea cedes 3rd place to kf/cait 20:35 mbalmer ok, karma bot does not understand C syntax ;) 20:35 wahanui bot does not understand c syntax ;) has neutral karma 20:35 jcamins_away Hehe. 20:35 * wizzyrea will have to work harder 20:35 jcamins_away karma me 20:35 wahanui jcamins_away has karma of 12 20:35 jcamins_away @karma jcamins 20:35 huginn jcamins_away: Karma for "jcamins" has been increased 219 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 218. 20:35 jcamins_away @karma jcamins_away 20:35 huginn jcamins_away: Karma for "jcamins_away" has been increased 11 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 11. 20:36 mbalmer @dogma 20:36 wizzyrea hm. that's not nearly enough 20:36 huginn mbalmer: downloading the Perl source 20:36 wizzyrea jcamins++ 20:36 cait jcamins++ 20:36 bag @karma druthb 20:36 huginn bag: Karma for "druthb" has been increased 141 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 140. 20:36 cait @wunder jcamins_away 20:36 huginn cait: Error: No such location could be found. 20:36 bag @karma bywater 20:36 huginn bag: Karma for "bywater" has been increased 32 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 32. 20:36 cait @karma jcamins 20:36 huginn cait: Karma for "jcamins" has been increased 221 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 220. 20:36 bag @karma biblibre 20:36 huginn bag: Karma for "biblibre" has been increased 57 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 57. 20:36 mbalmer @wunder LSZI 20:36 huginn mbalmer: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Bad Sackingen DE, Basel, Switzerland is 9.4°C (9:11 PM CET on March 14, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.42 in 1030.0 hPa. 20:36 bag @wunder 93109 20:36 huginn bag: The current temperature in K6LCM-Westside/Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 17.1°C (1:36 PM PDT on March 14, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1017.8 hPa (Falling). 20:37 mbalmer APRSWXNET, huginn is crazy.. 20:37 cait @wunder Marseille 20:37 huginn cait: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 11.0°C (9:30 PM CET on March 14, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Steady). 20:37 cait @wunder Konstanz 20:37 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 5.3°C (9:35 PM CET on March 14, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.41 in 1029.7 hPa (Rising). 20:38 mbalmer that reminds me to install Koha on my laptop 20:39 jcamins_away mbalmer: get to it! 20:39 mbalmer yes, eventually. No hurry.. 20:46 wizzyrea you mean "it's not a priority" 20:51 mbalmer wrong. 20:52 mbalmer I know it will take me about 3 hours. 20:52 mbalmer and there is still the weekend ahead. 20:55 maximep @karma maximep 20:56 huginn maximep: Karma for "maximep" has been increased 5 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 5. 20:56 maximep :( 20:56 * mbalmer hugs maximep 20:56 maximep you have more karma than me! 20:56 maximep =) 20:57 jcamins_away maximep++ 20:57 maximep probably increased yours jcamins about 20 times with all my questions hehe 20:59 mbalmer eat when you are hungry, drink when you are thirst, program when the time is right. 20:59 cait maximep++ 20:59 mbalmer s/thirst/thirsty/ 21:01 maximep pfffffff, I don't want pity karma :p 21:01 ibeardslee fine .. maximep -- 21:02 maximep but what's done is done! 21:03 mbalmer karma by proxy! 21:03 wahanui by proxy! has neutral karma 23:04 Judit morning