Time  Nick         Message
00:21 Shane-S      so I need a little help I made a mistake in a patch, and I want to correct it, how would I append my change to the patch in git?
00:21 eythian      Shane-S: git commit --amend is possibly what you need
00:22 eythian      it changes the previous commit to incorporate the new stuff
00:22 Shane-S      hmm...well I made a second patch since then (different file though) is there a way to add it to an older patch?
00:22 Oak          kia ora #koha
00:22 Oak          @wunder islamabad
00:23 huginn       Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 7.0°C (5:00 AM PKT on March 09, 2012). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady).
00:23 Shane-S      or should I just made a new patch specifing the files again?
00:23 eythian      Shane-S: make a new commit, then do git rebase -i master, reorder things and squash the two patches that should go together.
00:24 eythian      (maybe replace master with whatever you've based this branch on)
00:24 Shane-S      that just went over my head...still new to this, I will try and just re-add the file to a new patch will that work?\
00:24 eythian      probably not
00:24 eythian      because it's been added
00:25 sturmtruppen another newbie question...
00:25 sturmtruppen /usr/bin/zebraidx(32637) [warn] Cannot open `zebra.cfg' [No such file or directory]
00:25 sturmtruppen ???????????????
00:25 eythian      Have a go with the rebase, it gives you some instructions in the editor that comes up
00:25 eythian      sturmtruppen: how have you installed things?
00:25 Shane-S      where are you getting that sturmtruppen ?
00:26 sturmtruppen hi everyone
00:26 sturmtruppen i installed by git
00:26 Shane-S      did you use aptitude last night?
00:26 Shane-S      didn't*
00:26 sturmtruppen after a new collocation of a book, i try /usr/bin/zebraidx -d koha
00:27 eythian      sturmtruppen: don't do that
00:27 sturmtruppen yes, last night. New day, new virtual machine, new installation method
00:27 eythian      wahanui: faq
00:27 wahanui      faq is found at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/
00:27 eythian      look at the stuff at the bottom of the faq
00:28 eythian      you can't use zebraidx directly
00:28 Shane-S      sturmtruppen: well if you installed by git and followed a guide it would have listed rebuild_zebra.pl -z -b -a somewhere, never seen zebraidx anywhere for making it index books
00:28 Shane-S      it should also have made you make it cron/crontab job
00:29 sturmtruppen ok, now i read.
00:29 sturmtruppen back in 5
00:30 Shane-S      rebasing huh.. I have some reading myself :P
00:30 * Shane-S    new I would f* up with git somehow
00:31 eythian      you can always recover
00:31 eythian      that's why it's good.
00:32 Shane-S      eythian: do you know much about patching? not sure what I do with bug 7646 this is why I am re-patching, I forgot </style> DOH!
00:32 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7646 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Failed QA , Printing w/o the SQL Code showing
00:33 Shane-S      wait had a genius idea...what if I just add a "space" to the other file, then git will see a change
00:33 Shane-S      then I can re-add it to git right?
00:34 * Shane-S    admits its probably an idiots idea..
00:34 eythian      Shane-S: no, it doesn't really work like that
00:34 eythian      you're not adding files, you're adding changes.
00:35 Shane-S      so it would assume my changes aren't diff then the master?
00:35 eythian      well, it's looking relative to the previous commit
00:36 eythian      if I get this right, you have three commits: A, B, C. A and C should be joined up, B is something different, right?
00:38 Shane-S      I have A B and a fit to A
00:38 Shane-S      fix
00:38 Shane-S      only 2 patches made so far by me
00:39 Shane-S      A is not related to B in any way , it (B) is in OPAC, A is in Reports
00:40 Shane-S      I stupidly did A from a copy and paste, and missed the </style> closing tag and made the patch
00:40 * Shane-S    notes it was HIS work, but copied from a pastebin submission before I got git to patch
00:41 eythian      create C with your new fix, and use the rebase command to glue A and C together
00:41 Shane-S      okay...reads more on rebase
00:42 eythian      it's complicated, but once you understand how that works, a lot more about git becomes clear
00:42 eythian      Then you'll be the one explaining how things work to people :)
00:42 jenkins_koha Starting build #648 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #644 1 j 8 h ago)
00:43 Shane-S      looks like I should make my patch, as per normal, then use git rebase -i to get an insteractive squash option?
00:45 eythian      <eythian> Shane-S: make a new commit, then do git rebase -i master, reorder things and squash the two patches that should go together.
00:45 eythian      ;)
00:45 Shane-S      *gives it a try...
00:49 sturmtruppen ok, i run rebuild_zebra.pl -b -r -v
00:50 sturmtruppen done, but i obtain a warning: Record didn't contain match fields in (bib1,Local-number)
00:50 sturmtruppen and i don't found the book on catalog
00:50 eythian      I see that warning sometimes, never sure if it's important.
00:50 Shane-S      you say re-order, can I not to do squash, pick, squash (I have 3 patches at the top that all said pick, I assume I change what needs to be combined)
00:50 eythian      Try adding another -v to the rebuild,. it'll give you more info
00:51 eythian      Shane-S: squash doesn't make sense for the first one,.
00:51 eythian      it squashes it into the previously picked commit
00:51 sturmtruppen -b -v, same warning
00:51 eythian      so you want to reorder and do p,s,p or p,p,s or something
00:51 Shane-S      oh, what do I put if I don't want any change (the second line is a GOOD patch)
00:51 eythian      pick
00:52 eythian      but move it around
00:52 eythian      to put the two to combine next to each other
00:52 eythian      make one pick and the second squash
00:52 Shane-S      ah okay, hence reorder, got it now
00:52 eythian      sturmtruppen: no, another -v
00:52 eythian      so there's two of them
00:53 sturmtruppen no results found
00:55 eythian      yes, but the important part is if it told you how many records it added.
00:55 sturmtruppen Records exported: 1
00:56 sturmtruppen that's right because i inserted only one record
00:56 Shane-S      eythian: last question said I had success how can I check?
00:56 eythian      Shane-S: git log will tell you
00:56 eythian      sturmtruppen: OK, so your indexing seemed to work.
00:57 eythian      Do you have the zebrasrv process running?
00:57 sturmtruppen how can i see it?
00:57 eythian      ps ax|grep zebrasrv
00:57 sturmtruppen i'm very newbie
00:58 sturmtruppen 2576 pts/2    S+     0:00 grep zebrasrv
00:59 eythian      it's not running, you'll have to look in your instructions about how to set it up
00:59 sturmtruppen on the faq?
01:00 eythian      no, the instructions you're using to set up koha
01:03 sturmtruppen i have no zebra.conf file... and i do not understand why....
01:03 sturmtruppen zebra.cfg, sorry
01:04 eythian      you don't need one
01:04 eythian      if you follow the instructions you used to install Koha, it'll tell you how to set up zebra
01:04 Shane-S      damnit, it didn;t merge!
01:05 Shane-S      it just killed the other patch
01:05 sturmtruppen i installed from git.
01:05 eythian      Shane-S: unless you deleted the line, it will still be there
01:06 eythian      sturmtruppen: then follow the instuctions that you used to install from git to set up zebra
01:06 Shane-S      where are the log...cause in my kohaclone/,git/logs I just have HEAD and prefs
01:07 eythian      you type git log
01:07 sturmtruppen i understand. here are 2.am and tomorrow morning i have to go to work. sorry if seems i'm a bit stupid or slow now...
01:08 eythian      sturmtruppen: it's not easy to give specific instructions because it depends on how things are set up, hence doing it the way that's described in the instructions
01:09 sturmtruppen ok. thanks for your patience but i'm too tired. I have only few hours to rest.
01:09 eythian      then sleep and continue it later :)
01:09 sturmtruppen good night. i'm ko.
01:09 eythian      cya
01:09 Shane-S      just shows my 2 patches with Mar5 and Mar7 dates, nothing for today, and then other peoples commits
01:10 eythian      that's fairly confusing
01:10 eythian      it should be the two two
01:10 eythian      you did have all three lines in there when you saved the rebase file?
01:10 Shane-S      yeah, pick, then squash, and a pick
01:10 eythian      top two rather
01:11 Shane-S      I copied line 3 to line 2, and added squash in place of pick
01:11 Shane-S      when it asked me to pick a name, I commented out the second files name and left the  1st
01:12 Shane-S      it only asked for the 2 that I have pick and squash on, the 3rd line, the different patch, wasn't in the name part
01:12 Shane-S      Should I remake correction to patch 1 and try to rebase again?
01:13 eythian      got a server down, busy dealing with that
01:14 Shane-S      okay np, I will have to figure it out
01:14 eythian      git revlog will let you always get back to where you were
01:15 Shane-S      maybe it is because I didn't make it a patch...I just got to commit, I never did format-patch?
01:19 Shane-S      damn...tried re-adding that line and it didn't work
01:19 eythian      no, commiting makes a patch internally
01:25 Shane-S      I just tried git reflog, get merg e3.... to the point where it had commit: added missing </style> and then I do git status, it doesn;t show my moded file anymore
01:25 Shane-S      says I am 6 commits ahead of master though
01:26 * Shane-S    thinks he should wipe it out and just start from a 0 status and remake the patch it is only 12 lines of code in 2 files
01:32 Shane-S      git fetch origin ; git reset --hard origin/master will that do it for me?
01:34 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #648: STILL UNSTABLE in 52 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/648/
01:43 eythian      Shane-S: sorta
01:43 eythian      not as you'd expect though
01:43 eythian      fetch just downloads, you need to checkout a branch
01:43 Shane-S      I think I got it
01:44 eythian      also, if you don't have --hard, then your changes will still be there.
01:44 Shane-S      even though status didn;t show me anything, when I did rebase it came up with the commit
01:44 Shane-S      and I just did a diff, and my change was in there
01:44 Shane-S      so now its time to upload the patch (again) and see
01:44 eythian      git status doesn't show commits
01:46 Shane-S      damn still not there, do I have to re-make the patch after I rebase and squash?
01:47 Shane-S      cause my git diff show the changes
01:51 Shane-S      yep that was it...didn't know it was not re-making the patch
01:52 eythian      git diff shows you the difference between the working copy and what's been added to git
01:52 Shane-S      thanks for the help eythian , hope you get the servers back up
01:52 eythian      so if diff shows it up, then you haven't committed it, so git log and such will not show it up
01:54 Shane-S      but doing git format-patch master worked, wouldn't that have failed had it not been committed?
01:55 eythian      yep. Which suggests there's some information I don't have that I'd need to explain it.
01:56 Shane-S      well end result is it works, reflog helped, so thanks :P
01:57 eythian      cool
01:57 eythian      it's a lifesaver of a command
01:57 Shane-S      I am off to bed now :)
02:01 rangi        @later tell nengard http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/6/console
02:01 huginn       rangi: The operation succeeded.
02:09 jcamins      rangi: reindex didn't fix it?
02:09 rangi        naw the build trashes the indexes
02:09 rangi        ill have to think up a new plan
02:09 rangi        it does a full make
02:10 jcamins      Hm.
02:10 rangi        it tests the whole install process, not just the unit tests
02:10 rangi        and in doing so, trashes our indexes
02:10 jcamins      Hm. That should work properly, then.
02:10 rangi        and to reindex each time takes too long
02:10 jcamins      Ohh.
02:11 jcamins      Right.
02:11 jcamins      Yeah, that's an issue.
02:11 rangi        because there are 80k biblio etc
02:11 jcamins      Yeah... not suitable.
02:11 rangi        ill have a think i think i can get a zebra running and then have the tests hit it
02:19 jcamins      I have to install X to *build* DSpace?
02:22 rangi        ouch
02:24 eythian      X or xorg-common?
02:24 eythian      nothing should depend on X, but things requiring xorg-common is pretty common if it needs font handling stuff to produce PDFs or whatever.
02:51 druthb       o/
03:41 mtj          hi all.. i have a .tt / translate question...
03:41 mtj          is this an acceptable bit of template code...?
03:42 mtj          <form name="tagform[% SEARCH_RESULT.biblionumber %]" method="post" action="/cgi-bin/koha/opac-tags.pl">
03:43 mtj          see.. i would have thought 'not'  - as it has a .tt directive embedded in an html element
03:43 mtj          yet, 'prove xt' passes the code with a success ?!?
03:44 mtj          so... is prove correct here, or incorrect?
03:45 mtj          i really hope to be "proven" wrong  here :p
03:48 mtj          .
03:49 mtj          hmm, looking at some existing .tt files - my hunch is that simple .tt directives are ok in html elements
03:50 mtj          i assume the problem is with many *nested* .tt directives in a single html element ?
06:15 sturmtruppen hi eythian, hi everyone
06:19 sturmtruppen back again to fight vs zebrasrv... and i gonna lose!
06:21 Oak          i'll bring the bugle
06:22 sturmtruppen thanks
06:22 sturmtruppen :)
06:29 cait         good morning #koha
06:30 sturmtruppen morning cait
06:30 cait         morning sturmtruppen
06:31 sturmtruppen i decided to use git installation, but i have problem with zebrasrv
06:32 cait         what is the problem
06:32 wahanui      i guess the problem is its human beings doing it
06:32 cait         ?
06:32 sturmtruppen not starting
06:32 sturmtruppen zebra.cfg not found
06:32 cait         hmm
06:33 cait         I am not sure
06:33 cait         permissions?
06:33 cait         all zebra files should be owned by the user who owns the koha files
06:34 sturmtruppen i installed by root...maybe is that the problem?
06:34 sturmtruppen by root...seem to be in a kinder garden...
06:36 cait         perhaps
06:36 cait         most of the times the problems i had were permissions
06:36 sturmtruppen do you know where i can found a git guide to installation of koha?
06:52 cait         sturmtruppen: hm
06:52 cait         sturmtruppen: sorry, not really here yet
06:53 dgl_library  sturmtruppen (horrible name, btw), is this what you're looking for? http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.4_on_Debian_Squeeze_(Git_Method)
06:53 cait         that looks good
06:53 dgl_library  you'll need to copy the bit in parenthesis as well
06:53 dgl_library  anyway… hi everyone, I was on here about 18 hours ago asking about problems with my Koha installation. it seems the problem was that the superuser "kohaadmin" doesn't have proper privileges and so can't do everything it's supposed to do. I wonder if anyone knows of a way to manually fix kohaadmin's privileges in the database?
06:54 sturmtruppen already followed, but there is no part about zebrasrv...
06:54 cait         sturmtruppen: sorry not really here yet
06:55 dgl_library  afk
06:55 sturmtruppen dgl_library: do you the comic "sturmtruppen"?
06:55 cait         sturmtruppen: you did run the web installer?
06:55 dgl_library  nope
06:55 dgl_library  afk … lunch
06:56 sturmtruppen cait: yes, already done the previously installation.
06:56 cait         ok, so you have koha running  but you need to get searchworking?
06:57 sturmtruppen i removed the installation, i'm starting again from scratch this morning
06:57 sturmtruppen git has just finished
06:57 cait         ah ok
06:57 cait         after you did the git clone
06:57 sturmtruppen http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.4_on_Debian_Squeeze_(Git_Method)
06:58 cait         you run the makefile
06:58 cait         and select a dev install
06:58 cait         I think you decided to go with igt because oyu want to change things possibly?
06:59 sturmtruppen because i used git with OpenFOAM and was a good way to learn. Here i hope it's the same
06:59 cait         if you want to develop or have local customizations git is good
07:00 cait         it's not really different to other install methods
07:00 cait         after you did the git clone
07:00 cait         sorry, have to get ready for work
07:00 sturmtruppen i'm newbie. first thing learn how to customize koha working. than try to apply what i've learned
07:01 sturmtruppen then
07:06 alex_a       bonjour
07:09 cait         sturmtruppen: you will get there - I am onl ynot really awake yet
07:09 cait         morning alex_a
07:09 sturmtruppen morning alex_a
07:10 sturmtruppen cait: i need a coffe first
07:11 alex_a       sturmtruppen: coffe, good idea
07:11 alex_a       morning cait and sturmtruppen
07:11 sturmtruppen ls
07:12 sturmtruppen sorry, wrong monitor... i really need coffe!
07:12 alex_a       :)
07:44 magnuse      kia ora #koha!
07:47 Oak          magnuse
07:47 magnuse      Oak
07:49 magnuse      long time no see!
07:49 Oak          :)
07:49 Oak          was busy with exams...
07:50 reiveune     hello
07:50 Oak          hola reiveune
07:58 julian_m     hello
07:58 wahanui      privet, julian_m
08:04 dgl_library  is there anyone online at the moment who knows how to manually fix user privileges for kohaadmin?
08:06 magnuse      dgl_library: what kind of privileges are you thinking of?
08:08 dgl_library  magnuse: my installation is somehow faulty (and wizzyrea thought it might be the privileges)… when logged in as kohaadmin, if I go to the Home screen, there's no link under Cataloging except Authorities. nothing about adding items. and on the Patrons screen, when editing a particular patron, if I go to More > Set Permissions, there are no permissions to set.
08:09 dgl_library  so maybe kohaadmin somehow doesn't have sufficient access privileges or something like that?
08:09 magnuse      ah
08:10 mtj          dgl_library: create a new user, in koha
08:10 magnuse      and because of that you can't create a regular user and give it superlibrarian privileges?
08:10 mtj          ... and give that user 'super-user' privs
08:11 mtj          try adding a new user, then give that user super-privs?
08:16 francharb    hello world
08:16 francharb    ;)
08:17 Oak          Bonjour francharb
08:20 clrh         hello
08:20 wahanui      bonjour, clrh
08:22 magnuse      bonjour france
08:24 francharb    ;)
08:46 dgl_library  magnuse: sorry, I was away. are you saying creating a new Patron or a new user?
08:48 magnuse      i was thinking about creating a new Koha-user of type Staff, with superlibrarian privileges
08:48 dgl_library  I can create Patrons of type Staff
08:49 magnuse      but i guess you can't give anyone any privileges?
08:49 dgl_library  but I can't see any option to create users.
08:49 dgl_library  correct.
08:49 magnuse      weird
08:49 dgl_library  what's the URL for creating users? I'll see if I can access it directly
08:50 mtj          dgl_library:  user and patron are the same thing
08:50 magnuse      i think you already said you can create patrons?
08:50 dgl_library  yes
08:51 mtj          so create a patron/user... give it super privs?
08:51 dgl_library  just can't give them privileges
08:51 mtj          the log-in as that user
08:51 mtj          s/the/then/
08:51 mtj          ah, ok... :/
08:51 magnuse      dgl_library: and you have tried dropping and re-creating your database?
08:52 dgl_library  I can create a patron of type staff. then I go to that user's details screen. More > Set Permissions
08:52 dgl_library  The screen says "Set Privileges for Smith, John"
08:52 dgl_library  And there is a button that says "Set Flags" and a Cancel link ---- nothing else
08:53 dgl_library  Both the button and the link take me back to the previous screen.
08:53 dgl_library  weird, eh?
08:53 magnuse      have you checked if there is anything in the database table that holds the privileges?
08:53 magnuse      very weird
08:53 dgl_library  I can't really tell what's what in the database
08:54 dgl_library  I was hoping there might be a database expert here
08:54 magnuse      can you log in to mysql from the command line?
08:54 dgl_library  yes
08:55 magnuse      let's see if we can figure out some sql then
08:56 dgl_library  I also downloaded the full database dump and can read it in a text editor
08:57 magnuse      try "select * from userflags;"
08:58 magnuse      and "select * from permissions;"
09:08 dgl_library  ok, will try now
09:08 dgl_library  magnuse: sorry, how do I start?
09:09 magnuse      ah, log in to mysql from the command line
09:09 magnuse      mysql -u <kohadbuser> -p <kohadb>
09:09 dgl_library  I mean, how do I open the right database from the command line.
09:10 magnuse      replace <kohadbuser> and <kohadb> with the choices you made when you created the database
09:10 dgl_library  ok
09:11 dgl_library  select * from userflags;
09:11 dgl_library  yields an empty set
09:11 magnuse      ok, that's your problem, then
09:11 dgl_library  select * from permissions;
09:11 magnuse      that table did not get filled when you ran the web installer
09:11 dgl_library  is empty too
09:11 dgl_library  hmm!
09:11 dgl_library  can I fix that manually?
09:11 dgl_library  or……?
09:12 magnuse      guten tag kf
09:12 kf           h magnuse :)
09:12 magnuse      dgl_library: let me check...
09:12 magnuse      did you do an "ordinary" english installation?
09:14 dgl_library  no - I decided to go the "simple" way and use the Koha Virtual Appliance (Unconfigured version), which is Koha (English) on debian
09:14 magnuse      and how did you "get" koha - packages, archive, git?
09:14 magnuse      ah, ok
09:14 magnuse      hm, i don't know exactly how that is put together
09:15 mtj          yeah, me neither....
09:15 magnuse      when you are on the command line, after logging in to the virtual machine, what do you see if you type "ls"?
09:15 mtj          kyle.h from bywater did those, afaik
09:16 Oak          kf, i know you are at work, but can I take your 5 minutes? need to ask one silly question?
09:16 magnuse      is there a directory called "kohaclone" or something similar?
09:16 Oak          and welcome back.
09:16 Oak          Hello paul_p
09:16 Oak          and luisb
09:16 kf           Oak: sure
09:17 paul_p       hi all (wifi connection crazy today...)
09:17 dgl_library  bywater meaning of the "other" koha? because I contacted him before and he said it's the koha-community version
09:18 dgl_library  command line: after doing "sudo -i" I see: root@koha:~# ……
09:18 dgl_library  and then…
09:18 kf           paul_p++
09:18 dgl_library  "ls" is empty except for 2 sql files I've dumped
09:19 magnuse      try "pwd"?
09:19 dgl_library  magnuse: /root
09:19 magnuse      ok, try "sudo find / -name "userflags.sql"
09:19 dgl_library  that's not the normal koha user, though… shall I reboot and start again?
09:20 magnuse      hm, you're logged in as root
09:20 magnuse      is there another user on the virtual machine?
09:20 dgl_library  I logged in as root a while ago
09:20 dgl_library  yes, kohaadmin
09:20 wahanui      well, kohaadmin is the db user
09:20 magnuse      called "koha" or something?
09:20 dgl_library  the search yielded lots of results
09:20 dgl_library  yes
09:21 magnuse      oh?
09:21 magnuse      try "su kohaadmin"
09:21 dgl_library  the user is called koha-console
09:21 magnuse      ok "su koha-console" then
09:21 dgl_library  unknown id: "kohaadmin"
09:21 dgl_library  k
09:22 dgl_library  that starts something called the "koha management console"
09:22 dgl_library  I will quit that
09:22 magnuse      ok'
09:22 dgl_library  koha-console@koha:~$
09:23 magnuse      then "pwd" again
09:23 dgl_library  /home/kohaconsole
09:24 dgl_library  sorry, it's /home/koha-console
09:24 magnuse      ok, what does "ls" show you there?
09:24 paul_p       kf why ++ ?
09:24 dgl_library  ls is blank except for an sql dump I saved there
09:24 magnuse      hmpf :-)
09:24 dgl_library  aha
09:24 dgl_library  cd /home
09:24 dgl_library  ls
09:25 dgl_library  koha koha-console
09:26 magnuse      try "ls /home/koha"
09:27 magnuse      i'm trying to find a good source for the sql files that should have been loaded by the web-installer
09:27 kf           paul_p: mail on the list
09:27 magnuse      oh and did you actually run the webinstaller, or was that already done for you?
09:27 kf           paul_p but guess there are more reasons when I think about it :)
09:27 paul_p       kf thx ;-)
09:29 kf           paul_p: I think the release date was well known - and we really need 2 weeks for translation and 2 weeks to find evil bugs.
09:31 mtj          dgl_library:  i woud simply start again, with a fresh VM
09:32 mtj          take a mysqldump before the install
09:33 kf           paul_p: not much time anyway, and lots of things to test
09:33 mtj          ... and practice installing your 'un-configured' Koha
09:34 mtj          dgl_library: something has gone wrong with your install... i would just start again - from a known, unconfigured point
09:36 mtj          dgl_library: if  you are missing user_flags and permissions table-data, you will probably be missing other data too :/
09:36 mtj          the easy fix, is to start again, from a working state
09:37 mtj          and try the install again... perhaps you will have more success this time? :)
09:38 mtj          if things go wrong... just reload you backup .sql dump again
10:17 dgl-library  sorry, connectivity problems here. will be logging off again for a short time and then I'll be back.
10:31 paul_p       OK, i'm pushing bug 7001... and call for large tests !
10:31 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7001 enhancement, P3, ---, srdjan, Passed QA , User Configurable Slips
10:31 paul_p       pousse master
10:34 magnuse      yay!
10:34 kf           woot :)
10:41 kf           nice big improvement
10:43 kf           3.8 is going to be great :)
10:43 kf           authority matching, slips, nice acq enhancements
10:46 jenkins_koha Starting build #649 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #644 1 j 18 h ago)
10:50 vfernandes   hi guys :)
10:51 vfernandes   one little question: i'm using bulkmarcimport to migrate biblio records... the 001 shouldn't be filled with the biblio.biblionumber? Using unimarc...
10:54 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: bug 7001 follow-up for DBRev <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d56a693d844a1e64fc47b1f4b5ac82e0283f6493> / bug_7001: Issue and Reserve slips are notices. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a9ded4fa008668df8c485fbbc76efa3cc9cc00d7>
10:58 huginn       New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5668] Star ratings in the opac <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5668>
11:13 dgl-library  magnuse: are you still here?
11:19 Amit_Gupta   heya magnuse
11:27 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #649: STILL UNSTABLE in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/649/
11:27 jenkins_koha * srdjan: bug_7001: Issue and Reserve slips are notices.
11:27 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: bug 7001 follow-up for DBRev
11:27 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7001 enhancement, P3, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , User Configurable Slips
11:29 jcamins      Yay!
11:30 jcamins      (7001)
11:33 jcamins      Oh look... there is another non-open source mobile interface for Koha.
11:33 dgl-library2 magnuse: ?
11:37 magnuse      dgl-library: sorry, i was away for a bit
11:37 magnuse      jcamins: we better start building a proper one, eh?
11:38 dgl-library  magnuse: no problem, so was I. anyway, we were about to try and see if we could hack those user permissions manually in mysql
11:38 magnuse      i think mtj's advice migh be better than mine - to start over from scratch
11:40 dgl-library  ugh. well anyway I've been working on that option in the background already.
11:40 dgl-library  (fearing the worst)
11:40 jcamins      magnuse: unfortunately, *open source* mobile interfaces would seem to be something that are hard to get funded.
11:41 magnuse      dgl-library: trouble is, if those two tables are empty, who knows what other tables are empty?
11:41 magnuse      jcamins: hm, eny reason why that should be hard than funding an open source ils?
11:41 dgl-library  magnuse: yeah, I've been mulling over that same thought exactly
11:42 jcamins      magnuse: I would've have thought so, but what do I know? SMFPL released their code, but there are, what, four other libraries who did it and are not releasing their code?
11:44 magnuse      yeah, too bad
11:52 vfernandes   guys anyone knows how to do analytic linkage in UNIMARC?
11:52 jcamins      vfernandes: it involves the 461.
11:53 vfernandes   yes i know that's using 461... but how it works
11:53 jcamins      vfernandes: I have no idea, sorry.
11:53 jcamins      To be honest, I'm impressed that I even know that it uses 461. ;)
11:54 vfernandes   :)
11:54 vfernandes   where i can find more info about this?
11:55 jcamins      I have no idea, sorry.
11:55 jcamins      unimarc?
11:55 wahanui      unimarc is http://www.ifla.org/en/publications/unimarc-formats-and-related-documentation
11:56 vfernandes   i need to know which subfield i need to fill in order to the linkage appear on the OPAC
11:57 jcamins      You could take a look at UNIMARC2OPACDetail.xsl.
11:57 jcamins      I don't know for sure that it shows up at all, though.
12:18 Amit_Gupta   heya jwagner
12:18 Amit_Gupta   * paul.poulain: bug 7001 follow-up for DBRev
12:18 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7001 enhancement, P3, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , User Configurable Slips
12:20 mbalmer      hmm, need to install koha on my laptop _before_ marseill… ;)
12:20 magnuse      mbalmer: sounds like a good idea :-)
12:20 jcamins      mbalmer: might be a good idea.
12:20 kf           yeah, good plan ;)
12:20 kf           magnuse: will you be around sometimeon the weekendß
12:20 kf           ?
12:22 magnuse      hopefully, but can't promise
12:24 mbalmer      I am installing from git on a development server right now.
12:24 mbalmer      almost there...
12:31 mbalmer      just the web page does not yet show up
12:36 vfernandes   where i can find zebra indexation log
12:36 vfernandes   ?
12:37 vfernandes   i've having a problem with cronjobs
12:37 jcamins      vfernandes: there is no log.
12:37 vfernandes   i'm having a problem with rebuild zebra
12:38 jcamins      Run it from the command line and see what error messages you get.
12:39 vfernandes   when running in the crontab the scripts runs but the new records is not indexed... when running the same command in the shell it works fine and the record is indexed
12:39 vfernandes   in the command line everything works fine
12:39 mbalmer      grr, "The requested URL / was not found on this server"
12:39 vfernandes   using the crontab the record is not indexed....
12:40 jcamins      vfernandes: you should get e-mailed the output.
12:41 vfernandes   the output of the script is correctly "Records exported: 0 .^M1 Records exported: 1"... so the problem should be in the indexation
12:42 jcamins      vfernandes: you can add a -v (or two, or three) to the crontab.
12:42 jcamins      Unfortunately, there is no log.
12:42 vfernandes   i'm doing -v on the crontab command and redirecting the output to file
12:42 jcamins      That's a good idea.
12:43 vfernandes   but the reindex zebra log does not shows in the file
12:43 jcamins      vfernandes: add a second -v
12:43 vfernandes   i will try
12:53 vfernandes   :/ didn't show the reindex output :/
13:00 mbalmer      server works now.  \o/
13:07 chris_n      very cool: http://iphonetester.com/?url=http://mopac.mysore-univ.org/
13:09 magnuse      mbalmer: yay!
13:11 mbalmer      I think MySQL sysprefs.sql contains a syntax error in line 337
13:11 mbalmer      at least that is what the online installer said
13:11 kf           oh
13:11 kf           not good
13:11 kf           which pref?
13:11 jcamins      chris_n: if only it were open source.
13:11 mbalmer      the line reads:
13:11 mbalmer      >>>>>> kc/master
13:11 jcamins      Ouch!
13:11 kf           merge error
13:11 mbalmer      looks like a conflict not properly solved
13:11 jcamins      Merge marker.
13:12 mbalmer      yeah
13:12 kf           must be fairly recent
13:12 kf           I updated yesterday I think
13:12 kf           mbalmer: could you send a patch to fix it?
13:12 jcamins      Okay, time to go over to the new apartment again, and see what the contractors are up to.
13:12 magnuse      http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=installer/data/mysql/sysprefs.sql;h=12ee2b718de507482917c357bdfeca55998b97af;hb=HEAD#l337
13:12 kf           jcamins: have fun :)
13:12 magnuse      good luck jcamins_away
13:12 jcamins_away Thanks!
13:12 mbalmer      kf, no, because I don't know if sth is missing around there.
13:13 mbalmer      the one who did it should do it, to be safe
13:13 mbalmer      maybe he/she removed sth else?
13:13 kf           I think it probably happened when adding the new slip feature
13:13 mbalmer      how I can I "clear" an existing installation, so that I can re-install it after the bug is fixed?
13:14 mbalmer      kf, you only notice the problem when doing a fresh install
13:14 kf           http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blobdiff;f=installer/data/mysql/sysprefs.sql;h=12ee2b718de507482917c357bdfeca55998b97af;hp=bda97f516d99cf3d204d024ff292b52af8577b5e;hb=a9ded4fa008668df8c485fbbc76efa3cc9cc00d7;hpb=e32e3ba66269186729be6a4eda319a9f7c84072d
13:14 kf           would be safe to just remove
13:15 mbalmer      yeah, looks so.
13:16 mbalmer      I wonder if the installer stopped there or if mysql continued on the next line
13:17 mbalmer      hmm, it sopped.
13:17 mbalmer      so how can clear my current installation, do again get the webinstaller?
13:18 kf           hm
13:18 kf           truncate the table and run the sql file manually
13:18 kf           perhaps
13:18 kf           or if you just started
13:18 kf           drop database xxx , create database xxx and run the webinstaller again
13:20 mbalmer      I think I have a git problem, though:
13:20 mbalmer      checked out master, created a vnode branch.  updated and installed the german translation there.
13:20 mbalmer      then checked out master again.
13:21 mbalmer      now git status shows me all that files in the vnode branch
13:23 kf           hm
13:23 kf           all the files or only the german files
13:24 kf           mbalmer: after you did the trnaslation
13:24 kf           you have to commit the files
13:24 mbalmer      no, the german files the translator created.
13:24 kf           or tell git to ignore them
13:24 kf           yep
13:24 mbalmer      ah, ok.
13:24 kf           i sometimes use a .gitignore file
13:25 kf           it's easier than comitting them and keeps them from showing up and annoying me
13:29 mbalmer      but that only works for new files, not for modified ones.
13:29 mbalmer      anyway, I fixed that sysprefs sql.  is that worth a Bug in gnats?
13:30 kf           I think I woudl make it a follow up
13:30 kf           mbalmer: what only works for new files?
13:31 kf           ah, modified po files?
13:35 magnuse      kf: if you use .git/info/exclude you don't have to track .gitignore in git :-)
13:35 mbalmer      no it installed nicely.
13:35 mbalmer      so where do I put that patch?
13:36 kf           I would do it as a follow up
13:36 kf           for the slip printing
13:36 kf           because that's what caused the problem
13:36 magnuse      bug 7001
13:36 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7001 enhancement, P3, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , User Configurable Slips
13:36 kf           bug 7001
13:37 mbalmer      errm, I commit to my "bug" branch, then some magic git command will create the patch file, roght?
13:37 kf           hm
13:37 kf           you sould get git bz
13:37 kf           when you don't have git bz
13:37 magnuse      http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git
13:37 kf           you can do: git add , git commit, git format-patch, git send-email... but that#s a lot of things tod o
13:37 magnuse      http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_bz_configuration
13:37 kf           and you still have to attach the file to bugzilla
13:37 kf           so git bz is the magic you want to use
13:38 kf           mbalmer: make sure you have your email settings and things correctlsy
13:40 magnuse      git-bz++
13:41 mbalmer      yeah, I will got through that as soon as I have time.  For now I just liked to create a diff against the master branch from the bug branch where committed the syspref fix.
13:41 * magnuse    just added git bz to a vm - took about 1 minute
13:42 chris_n      jcamins: has anyone asked them to contribute?
13:42 mbalmer      here, minutes are rare ;)
13:43 chris_n      truth
13:43 magnuse      swiss time, eh?
13:43 * magnuse    is probably confusing mbalmer with someone else... bever mind
13:43 chris_n      most of the time my minute account is in arrears
13:44 kf           mbalmer: it will really save you lots of trouble to check out git bz
13:44 kf           but
13:44 kf           for now
13:44 kf           git add
13:44 kf           git commit
13:44 kf           git format-patch origin/master I think
13:44 mbalmer      ah format-patch !
13:45 chris_n      jcamins: nm, I just did it
13:45 mbalmer      since this one is trivial, I even signed it off (also, because I tested it)
13:45 kf           hm no
13:45 kf           don't sign it
13:45 kf           just send it without sign-off
13:45 kf           writing and signing off makes no sense, it might be trivial enough
13:45 kf           and you shoudl always test code you authored
13:46 kf           but it's trivial
13:46 kf           paul_p might pick and push it without requiring sign-off or qa
13:46 mbalmer      so how do I remove my "signed off"?
13:46 paul_p       kf yes ?
13:46 mbalmer      I put a comment: "accidentally signed off" ;)
13:46 kf           git commit --amend
13:46 kf           and delete the lines
13:46 kf           you could just have deleted the sign-off line ;)
13:47 kf           paul_p: there is a merge mistake in sysprefs.sql
13:47 kf           mbalmer is sending a patch you can push
13:47 paul_p       really ? yikes ...
13:47 kf           http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blobdiff;f=installer/data/mysql/sysprefs.sql;h=12ee2b718de507482917c357bdfeca55998b97af;hp=bda97f516d99cf3d204d024ff292b52af8577b5e;hb=a9ded4fa008668df8c485fbbc76efa3cc9cc00d7;hpb=e32e3ba66269186729be6a4eda319a9f7c84072d
13:47 mbalmer      okidoki.
13:47 mbalmer      s/can push/should push asap/ ;)
13:47 paul_p       grrrr... mbalmer, send me the patch, i'll push it immediatly
13:48 mbalmer      one second...
13:48 paul_p       & /me will improve his pre-commit hook...
13:49 * kf         hands paul_p chocolate
13:49 paul_p       mmm... it's already here, but non blocking. /me move to blocking test..
13:49 mbalmer      paul_p, sent
13:49 paul_p       (I mean it was detected and announced, but the patch can be commited though
13:49 paul_p       )
13:51 kf           mbalmer: where did you sent it?
13:51 mbalmer      if you don't play with git all day, you immediately forget all about it, need to refresh my brain a bit, I guess
13:52 mbalmer      kf, directly to paul's biblibre address, as he told me to
13:52 mbalmer      paul_p: grrrr... mbalmer, send me the patch, i'll push it immediatly
13:52 paul_p       kf he send it to me directly.
13:52 paul_p       push on the way...
13:52 kf           ah ok :)
13:52 paul_p       pushed !
13:53 kf           mbalmer++ paul_p++
13:53 mbalmer      gracias!
13:53 paul_p       and going back to bug 7144
13:53 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7144 enhancement, P3, ---, srdjan, Passed QA , Floating collection
13:54 kf           cool :)
13:54 kf           good to see the big things going in now - better than later
13:54 kf           gives us some time
13:55 kf           paul_p: will Jonathan fix the lateorders or waiting for srdjan? (I spent a lot of time testing this feature... hate to see it broken)
13:55 paul_p       kf I don't know, we will see. But i'm ready to revert 7001 if we can't find a volunteer !
13:57 kf           paul_p: that's the general problem with big changes... we have to find ways to do them... but have to be very careful :(
14:00 kf           probably no really fail safe way to do it
14:02 jenkins_koha Starting build #650 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #644 1 j 21 h ago)
14:02 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Remove a merge marker. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6846bdb51953d236d5baf341ce3624887ea7ee53>
14:06 kf           hmm
14:06 kf           the status Checked for suggestions... what is it made for?
14:08 magnuse      kf: where? bz?
14:08 kf           hm no, suggestion moduel in acq :)
14:10 magnuse      ah, no clue then
14:14 magnuse      mbalmer: is that your first patch that makes it into koha?
14:14 kf           magnuse: he is already listed I think :)
14:15 magnuse      ah yes, number 167
14:15 magnuse      never mind then
14:22 mbalmer      and I hope many patches will come in the future, because we started our "operations" in switzerland for real.
14:23 mbalmer      so Koha needs to be swissified a bit.
14:23 mbalmer      (Chocolate user interface, holes in the cheese, watches, etc.. ;)
14:24 mbalmer      we still need a nice logo, though.
14:30 * magnuse    volunteers to sign off on any patches implementing a Chocolate user interface!
14:33 kf           hehe
14:33 sekjal       morning, #koha
14:33 kf           morning sekjal :)
14:33 magnuse      kia ora sekjal
14:35 mbalmer      I am thinking of adding support for network receipt printers and network label printers (for media barcode labels)
14:35 mbalmer      so the perl code would talk directly to the printers via tcp/ip
14:36 kf           mbalmer: I think there was noce code for network printers
14:36 kf           there are still some traces... perhaps you will want to clean that up
14:36 mbalmer      noce?
14:36 kf           once
14:37 mbalmer      ah ;)
14:37 * sekjal     is excited about the possibility of a touch-gesture enabled Shelf Browser for mobile OPACs
14:37 kf           I think there used to be a field on branches and on the "set library" screen
14:37 oleonard     That was for Unix printers, not sure if that's the same thing
14:37 mbalmer      we have intermec label printers here in the lab
14:37 kf           mbalmer: there are some nice options for label printing in koha that you can activate in the sysprefs
14:37 mbalmer      you can talk to these printers via tcp
14:40 * mbalmer    has to many ideas
14:41 mbalmer      to little time, to much perl
14:41 hdl1         kf: checked status has been asked by SAN Ouest provence, just to state that the suggestion contains enough information to try and ask for the book.
14:41 kf           hdl1: thx
14:41 kf           :)
14:41 kf           meh
14:41 kf           ie--
14:42 kf           broke my whole layout
14:42 * kf         wants to cry
14:42 kf           it still works perfectly in firefox
14:42 mbalmer      marseille question:  do most people work in Koha on their laptops or access remote Koha installations?
14:42 kf           I have no idea how to debug this stupid thing
14:42 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #650: STILL UNSTABLE in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/650/
14:42 jenkins_koha marc: Remove a merge marker.
14:42 kf           mbalmer: I have one on my laptop, can work in thte train and everywhere, without needing internet connection
14:42 hdl1         mbalmer: remote koha installation
14:43 mbalmer      I think I will use both a bit
14:43 kf           oleonard: around?
14:43 hdl1         we have some virtual machines.
14:43 mbalmer      on my laptop plus remote.  remote if I need help from my librarians...
14:45 oleonard     Yes
14:45 oleonard     Speaking of IE: https://www.zdnet.com/blog/security/pwn2own-2012-ie-9-hacked-with-two-0day-vulnerabilities/10621
14:45 oleonard     It's all in the URL really.
14:45 kf           oleonard: could you perhaps help me out a little bit?
14:46 oleonard     I'd be happy to try
14:46 kf           thx a lot!
14:46 mbalmer      friends don't let friends use IE..
14:46 kf           pm'd you the url
14:46 kf           mbalmer: yes... but you can't control users sadly
14:47 mbalmer      .. but ignore you can them
14:47 kf           not if the customers asks for it to work in ie
14:47 * mbalmer    knows he is not being helpful right now
14:49 janPasi      hmm... the cronjob in debian doesn't seem to run zebra properly
14:49 janPasi      it doesn't update the index as it should
14:53 marcelr      paul_p: you almost emptied the Passed QA list!
14:54 marcelr      paul_p: still some time for finishing the qa on 7310? it still applies with one trivial merge conflict on sysprefs.sql
14:55 kf           oleonard++
14:57 paul_p       marcelr I QA the 7310 if you QA some Biblibre patches ;-)
14:57 marcelr      you know i keep doing so :-)
14:57 paul_p       (investigating but 7408 atm, and still not sure i'll push it...)
14:58 marcelr      what is your doubt?
14:59 kf           bug 7408
14:59 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7408 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha.sekjal, Passed QA , Expire holds that have been waiting too long
14:59 kf           marcelr: any news about your cool sru feature?
14:59 marcelr      not really
14:59 kf           I am really interested to be able to use xslt to fix some known problems
14:59 kf           where is it stuck? do you want me to bribe someone with chocolate in marseille?
14:59 marcelr      i think i will split it up
15:00 sekjal       paul_p:  what's the issue with 7408?
15:00 marcelr      get the marc conversion out of it
15:00 paul_p       sekjal comment/question on the bug in a few seconds
15:00 marcelr      hi sekjal
15:00 sekjal       k, will check
15:00 sekjal       hi, marcelr
15:02 kf           separate sru from the crosswalk?
15:02 marcelr      if crosswalk= marc->unimarc then yes
15:03 marcelr      you could still do it but just put it in a xslt paramete
15:03 marcelr      r
15:03 paul_p       oh ! I think I just got it now !
15:03 marcelr      good
15:05 paul_p       expired reserve = reserve with an expiry date set, not reserve that are waiting for too long. The expiry date being set optionnally by the patron !!!
15:05 * wizzyrea   waves
15:05 paul_p       that's where I was misunderstanding !
15:05 paul_p       hi wizzyrea
15:05 marcelr      hi wizzyrea
15:06 marcelr      thx for signoff on 7661
15:07 jcamins_away o/
15:07 marcelr      hi jcamins
15:07 wizzyrea     oh, you're welcome :)
15:09 mbalmer      crazy, debian with a KDE desktop uses almost 2 GB of RAM
15:09 wizzyrea     just guessing but I imagine ubuntu is the same or more.
15:09 jcamins      mbalmer: KDE depends on QT.
15:09 mbalmer      I know.  But still.
15:10 maximep      really ? 1.4 gigs KDE/Gentoo here and firefox, opera and amarok are open :S
15:10 jcamins      xmonad ftw!
15:10 maximep      I wish I found some way to use my 8 gigs
15:11 jcamins      maximep: you want to use up 8GB of RAM?
15:11 jcamins      Easy peasy.
15:11 jcamins      Run three VMs, each with 2GB of RAM.
15:11 wizzyrea     Run NExpress. :P
15:11 kf           oleonard++
15:11 maximep      heh, my virtualbox is set to 2.5 gigs
15:12 kf           marcelr: sorry, not sure I understand :(
15:13 maximep      hmmm but my KDE is optimised for low ram usage
15:13 magnuse      gah, translation fail! the and on this line is supposed to combine subjects, but gets translated into norwegian "og": http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/xslt/MARC21slim2OPACDetail.xsl;h=13812f0978720cf11067ded33ddd368839c18507;hb=HEAD#l476
15:13 magnuse      is there a way to tell the translate script to ignore a piece of xslt?
15:14 jcamins      maximep: KDE optimised for low RAM... is that like optimising a Windows ME computer for low power consumption? (i.e. turn it off;)
15:15 maximep      well, on windows you just shutdown all unused services
15:15 maximep      same for kde
15:15 maximep      only windows I have a license is windows ME :p
15:15 jcamins      maximep: you poor, poor thing.
15:16 * wizzyrea   has a win7 license that came with her laptop. But meh.
15:16 wizzyrea     Don't use it. Windows is annoying.
15:16 maximep      never used win7. Looks better
15:16 maximep      I should look at win8
15:16 jcamins      wizzyrea: can you transfer the license into a VM?
15:16 jcamins      That'd be useful.
15:17 wizzyrea     I probably could yea
15:17 oleonard     Win7 is certainly better than Windows ME!
15:17 wizzyrea     well yes
15:17 wizzyrea     there is that
15:17 wizzyrea     can't really play games in a VM though
15:17 maximep      98 is better than ME
15:17 asaurat      XP is better than 98
15:17 maximep      well of course
15:17 wizzyrea     at least dual booting it can take advantage of the killer video card in there (even ubuntu can't do that [yet])
15:17 asaurat      XP is to me the least horrible Windows =)
15:18 wizzyrea     XP was really quite good for a while
15:18 jcamins      wizzyrea: I play online scrabble... that's about it. ;)
15:18 wizzyrea     ^.^
15:18 wizzyrea     i haven't booted it in a month or so.
15:18 wizzyrea     no reason to
15:19 jcamins      wizzyrea: true. Scrabble works on pretty much any OS. :)
15:20 asaurat      XP still supports good and maintained versions of DirectX, maybe not the latest but well... good enough for me :p
15:20 asaurat      enough for a 3D Scrabble I guess =)
15:21 asaurat      and dual boot Ubuntu for serious stuff and open source games ;)
15:23 oleonard     a 3D first person shooter version of Scrabble maybe?
15:25 asaurat      boss battle against the letter Z, if its value is tripled that means a quick "game over"
15:26 kf           wizzyrea++
15:27 kf           asaurat: sorry for being confusing on the managed by bug
15:27 kf           asaurat: I think the main question is: what does managed by mean?
15:27 asaurat      I just don't know this part well yet =)
15:27 kf           asaurat: and when we want that to be recorded
15:27 wizzyrea     ! what did I do?
15:27 kf           wizzyrea: besides being awesome? :)
15:27 kf           testing the clubs thing
15:28 wizzyrea     oh, well, um, thank you. :)
15:28 asaurat      well, its seems logical to consider that Managed by would be some kind of "Modified by"
15:28 wizzyrea     well it's kyleh's feature. It works pretty well afaict
15:28 kf           asaurat: yes... I think I was thinking of it like that
15:28 kf           asaurat: I think I would comfortable with managed for sugg that have another status than asked or empty
15:28 kf           because I can't set a status when creating a sugg
15:29 kf           only after saving for the first time
15:29 asaurat      empty ?
15:29 kf           not sure, perhaps asked
15:29 kf           I have not checked how it looks in the database
15:29 kf           but shoudl be asked, you are right
15:30 asaurat      probably, I'll check this
15:32 jenkins_koha Starting build #651 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #644 1 j 23 h ago)
15:32 paul_p       magnuse++
15:33 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: bug 7408 follow-up fixing trailing ` <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=497e0054b7ac958ca2e70de7a12148671fa1dddd> / Bug 7408 - Don't cancel found reserves. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4fc6759d0c3ce4e0d936db6a9b728ef1125a2717> / bug 7408 follow-up DBRev number <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b32c38f9f10e0e2ad6eff5c044a520a14f9
15:33 paul_p       kf : we just recieved something from norway, that you should enjoy ;-)
15:34 kf           hm?
15:34 kf           magnuse decided to come to the hackfest after all?
15:34 hdl1         nope.
15:34 kf           oh
15:34 hdl1         But sent chocolate.
15:34 kf           ooh
15:34 paul_p       nope, but he sent us some chocolate ;-)
15:35 kf           and you think it will survive until I get there?
15:35 * kf         thinks about stephane
15:35 hdl1         we'll keep some for you.
15:35 kf           ;)
15:35 asaurat      lolll
15:36 kf           magnuse++ .)
15:36 kf           I am still wondering what I could bring :)
15:36 oleonard     Oh, somehow I had it in my head that magnuse was coming. Now I'm disappointed.
15:36 kf           oleonard: I am too :(
15:37 * jcamins    is disappointed that he can't come. :(
15:37 paul_p       I just choose the week where the norway librarians association has his yearly conference
15:37 reiveune     kf: I promise, I will leave one (or two) for you
15:37 reiveune     :)
15:37 kf           reiveune: lol
15:38 * oleonard   suspects no one wants him to bring any American chocolate...
15:38 magnus_afk   oleonard: awww...
15:38 asaurat      you can bring beef jerky or root beer ;)
15:39 * magnus_afk takes the dogs for a walk
15:39 jcamins      oleonard: when are you leaving?
15:39 oleonard     A week from today
15:40 kf           oleonard: could you pack jcamins in your luggage?
15:40 oleonard     If he had his papers I could put him in a dog crate
15:40 * jcamins    folds up pretty small.
15:41 jcamins      lol
15:42 kf           lol
15:42 kf           make it a cat create
15:42 kf           crate
15:42 kf           i think that will work
15:43 wizzyrea     paul_p: what was up with 7001?
15:43 marcelr      mail on dev list about it
15:43 marcelr      reverted
15:43 kf           broke late orders
15:43 kf           apparently :(
15:44 kf           late order management - bug 7291
15:44 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7291 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , claims management improvement
15:44 kf           hm
15:44 kf           no, wrong bug number
15:44 wizzyrea     well that would not have been in there when I was testing
15:44 kf           wizzyrea: it was, but did you test acq? :(
15:44 kf           bug 5347
15:45 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5347 enhancement, P2, ---, jonathan.druart, RESOLVED FIXED, late order management
15:45 kf           that's the one
15:45 jcamins      Isn't the usual procedure here to report a new bug, and fix it, since we're well away from feature freeze?
15:45 paul_p       wizzyrea the bug 7001 stood for a long time, and the late order patch has been pushed in january
15:45 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7001 enhancement, P3, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , User Configurable Slips
15:45 kf           jcamins: I don't think so
15:45 kf           jcamins: I think as it added a regression
15:45 jcamins      kf: really?
15:45 wizzyrea     it was waiting on qa since january. :(
15:45 kf           jcamins: I want this to go in too, but if we start adding things again that break other things... I think it's not good :(
15:46 paul_p       jcamins: it happends only once or twice before, and was easily fixed. Seems this one will require a larger/harder fix.
15:46 kf           the email sending part... we have to get that right
15:46 kf           will probably touch other features too?
15:46 paul_p       (in fact, this patch was too large. Should have been splitted in smaller parts)
15:47 slef         rangi or anyone else: know c2 or got experience getting data out of it? ;)
15:47 slef         @seen rangi
15:47 huginn       slef: rangi was last seen in #koha 13 hours, 25 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: <rangi> ouch
15:48 kf           slef: 4:48 for him...
15:48 kf           let him sleep
15:48 slef         kf: awwww, someone just mentioned c2 and I wondered... c2... c4... can you remember the story?
15:48 slef         C4?
15:48 wahanui      it has been said that C4 is a high explosive :-)
15:48 kf           paul_p: perhaps, but would still be good to make it go in now... and do different for the future
15:48 slef         wahanui: C2?
15:48 wahanui      wish i knew, slef
15:48 slef         wahanui: you suck
15:48 wahanui      slef: huh?
15:48 kf           twice as explosive
15:49 kf           slef: wasn't c2 what hlt used? might be on a wrong track here
15:49 wizzyrea     kf, would you want the order slips to be configurable in the same way as the others?
15:49 wizzyrea     perhaps that's the best route
15:49 slef         kf: that's what I was thinking
15:49 kf           wizzyrea: oh wow, good queston
15:49 slef         kf: but c2 is not a good search term.
15:49 kf           I have not looked at this... yet. hm.
15:49 paul_p       kf agreed, I don't want to ask for a rewrite, just not to break what's already in
15:50 kf           wizzyrea: I think, perhaps not, because you can have more than one letter already - so not sure it can do this!
15:50 hdl1         you could try and look at joe ransom's slides in NZ.
15:50 hdl1         If it is online
15:50 marcelr      wizzyrea: please check on 6875; what issue was fixed for branchoverdues?
15:50 wizzyrea     missing subroutine
15:50 paul_p       wizzyrea = the problem is not here. the problem is that the formatting of late orders is now broken
15:51 paul_p       wizzyrea joubu added a <order> tag, that has been removed. plus some utf8 handling. (Plus some refactoring).
15:52 wizzyrea     well hopefully srdjan will be able to fix it up
15:52 paul_p       I think we've been caught in a case where a rebase had a conflict and srdjan fixed it without noticing the changes
15:52 wizzyrea     ^ probably
15:52 slef         hdl1: good idea!
15:53 kf           paul_p: yep, that sounds right
15:53 wizzyrea     I guess it doesn't matter as long as it's finished by feature freeze.
15:53 kf           wizzyrea: would still be nice to have some testing time
15:53 kf           but I tihnk srdjan will try to fix it quick
15:54 wizzyrea     well someone else is going to have to look at acquisitions
15:54 wizzyrea     I've tested the thing at least 5 times now, and had librarians try to break it. This last version passed (except this acquisitions problem)
15:55 huginn       New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6875] de-nesting C4 packages <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6875>
15:55 kf           I can test it
15:55 wizzyrea     that would be cool :)
15:55 kf           but first needs to be fixed.
15:56 wizzyrea     yep, srdjan won't be up 'til 5pm my time.
15:56 wizzyrea     or working, anyway
15:58 kf           hmm
15:58 kf           we could try to write a better bug report
15:58 slef         ok, travelling again
15:58 wizzyrea     yes, I'm sure srdjan would appreciate that :)
15:58 kf           but if paul_p reverts...
15:58 slef         end of show :)
15:58 kf           ok, too tired
15:58 kf           bye slef
15:59 wizzyrea     yea, my thought is that it makes it harder to fix if it's reverted
15:59 wizzyrea     (people shouldn't be running on master!)
15:59 wizzyrea     (only for the very brave!)
15:59 wizzyrea     (and very cavalier)
16:00 paul_p       well, I think I could let srdjan a few days before reverting. The problem being that I can't push anything that has an updatedatabase (I already did for 7408, and can't revert 7001 without reverting 7408)
16:01 wizzyrea     what do we have in the queue for updatedatabase?
16:01 jcamins      The bug I just fixed.
16:01 wizzyrea     which?
16:01 paul_p       wizzyrea bug 7144
16:01 jcamins      Not sure what else.
16:01 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7144 enhancement, P3, ---, srdjan, Passed QA , Floating collection
16:01 sekjal       running on master is a great way to catch bugs... but then you have bugs :/
16:01 jcamins      wizzyrea: I don't remember.
16:01 jcamins      Bug 7587?
16:02 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7587 critical, P1 - high, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Wrong table name for local cover images
16:02 jcamins      Woohoo! I got it right!
16:02 wizzyrea     :)
16:02 sekjal       wizzyrea:  does Srdjan work the weekend, to you know?
16:02 wizzyrea     @quote add sekjal: running on master is a great way to catch bugs... but then you have bugs.
16:02 huginn       wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.  Quote #192 added.
16:02 wizzyrea     sekjal: good point, but then again it's saturday there
16:03 wizzyrea     so he'd start on our sunday.
16:03 paul_p       OK, it's the we for me as well in a few hours, I think it can wait for monday...
16:04 kf           wil try to do some tests on master
16:04 wizzyrea     can you do one thing and make sure that srdjan knows exactly what and where to look for the problem?
16:04 wizzyrea     and what to test
16:04 kf           paul_p: perhaps you could add what jonathan found to the bug?
16:04 wizzyrea     ^^ yea, this
16:04 paul_p       kf good idea, will do
16:04 kf           about braking encoding and the tags?
16:05 sekjal       if srdjan can't get to fixing it in time, perhaps then someone else would be able to find/fix the issue
16:05 wizzyrea     ^^
16:08 paul_p       joubu++ (http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7001#c90)
16:08 kf           sekjal: I think fixing means putting code back in here
16:08 huginn       04Bug 7001: enhancement, P3, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , User Configurable Slips
16:09 kf           sekjal: that got lost in a merge
16:09 kf           so it means finding that bit again and reconstruct
16:09 kf           not only searching for a bug, putting a feature bag
16:09 kf           back
16:10 kf           hm paul_p. hm didn't you say it broke the <order> syntax too?
16:10 wizzyrea     joubu++
16:10 kf           joubu++ .)
16:11 oleonard     How many mobile versions are we up to now? 6 or 7?
16:11 kf           wizzyrea: he is incredible patient too - if you look at the bug for late order management
16:11 kf           bug 5347
16:11 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5347 enhancement, P2, ---, jonathan.druart, RESOLVED FIXED, late order management
16:11 jcamins      oleonard: something like that.
16:11 marcelr      joubu is not his irc name?
16:11 kf           similar history to the slip printing
16:12 wizzyrea     and not a single one of them will commit to actually submitting it
16:12 wizzyrea     WHY
16:12 wizzyrea     :)
16:12 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #651: STILL UNSTABLE in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/651/
16:12 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 7408 - Expire holds that have been waiting too long
16:12 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: bug 7408 follow-up DBRev number
16:12 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 7408 - Don't cancel found reserves.
16:12 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: bug 7408 follow-up fixing trailing `
16:12 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7408 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha.sekjal, Pushed to Master , Expire holds that have been waiting too long
16:12 jcamins      paul_p: so you know, it turns out the problem with jenkins is that the jenkins script deletes the index every time it runs.
16:13 jcamins      paul_p: rangi is pondering a solution that doesn't involve eliminating a unit test.
16:14 * sekjal     is imagining the Shelf Browser in a mobile OPAC that responds to finger swipes... mmmm, shiny
16:15 kf           sekjal: it's too slow :(
16:15 jcamins      sekjal: I'm imagining a single mobile interface that is open source, and everyone works on together.
16:16 kf           jcamins: magnuse has done some interesting things for this
16:16 kf           jcamins: using jquery mobile and some other projects he has worked on
16:16 paul_p       kf joubu did some tests, and it seems that was not broken, just hidden. he had to leave to catch his train, he will investigate on monday (and hopefully test a patch sent by srdjan ;-) )
16:16 sekjal       kf:  I think that can be fixed by not automatically loading a new page each time the center book si changed
16:17 kf           sekjal: yeah, that is annoying anyway
16:17 paul_p       jcamins++ !!!
16:17 jcamins      kf: I know. I'm referring to the number of people who have announced mobile OPACs and not shared them.
16:17 sekjal       jcamins: creating a mobile template in koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl wouldn't be too hard.  we'd just have to maintain another template
16:17 jcamins      sekjal: I know.
16:17 jcamins      But I, for one, think that template should be open source.
16:18 sekjal       agreed 150%
16:18 oleonard     Or we could design a new OPAC template from the ground up using responsive principles which would eliminate the need for more than one template
16:18 jcamins      oleonard: that'd be pretty awesome, but I can't help but think that it might be a little over-ambitious.
16:19 * oleonard   doesn't think so
16:19 sekjal       one key thing:  we need to keep inbound/outbound parameters for each page as consistent as possible
16:19 jcamins      oleonard: really?
16:19 jcamins      oleonard++ # because that was volunteering if I ever heard it
16:19 oleonard     yeah, I really don't think it's overly ambitious. But I've never tried it before so maybe I'm crazy
16:19 sekjal       prog5 (since it's surely be an HTML5 template.... :) )
16:20 paul_p       oleonard & jcamins we already made a CSS for limoges, adapted for mobile phones
16:20 kf           oleonard: continually rewriting the template to make use of the new options we have with tt would be nice...
16:20 sekjal       could be developed in parallel to our current template
16:20 kf           oleonard: I hoped to throw around some ideas with you at the hackfest... memberentry is one of my candidates
16:21 kf           oleonard: because I still have some major translatability issues with that
16:21 kf           you can translate it, but the grammar will be poor
16:21 sekjal       so we could commit changes and share them without having to wait for it to be "done".  the new template would be a 'use at your own risk' thing throught at least one dev cycle
16:21 oleonard     I can already tell a week isn't going to be enough hackfest :)
16:21 kf           oleonard: too true :(
16:22 paul_p       oleonard & kf = have you seen that we will be 32 ?
16:22 mbalmer      32 ?
16:22 mbalmer      wow
16:22 paul_p       a lot of french libraries are coming, i'm really happy about that !
16:22 oleonard     paul_p: Should I bring my own chair? :)
16:22 paul_p       yep, our office will be a little bit small...
16:23 kf           paul_p: it will be cozy
16:23 paul_p       oleonard you want to know the truth ? we counted them, and we have only 31 comfortable chairs ! (+ 8 that are not comfortable at all)
16:23 * jcamins    cheers
16:23 kf           lol
16:23 jcamins      The authority linking is *so* nice.
16:23 * kf         will make sure to be there early each day
16:23 mbalmer      paul_p, get some cheap couch from IKEA ;)
16:23 paul_p       (some of the coming ppl come only for 3 days, for the last 2 days, we will be less)
16:24 kf           make sure to order enough sushi/pizza ;)
16:24 mbalmer      and Pastis!
16:24 paul_p       kf no problem with that, don't worry
16:24 paul_p       mbalmer really, you want some pastis ?
16:24 * sekjal     really wishes he could be there for the hackfest
16:24 mbalmer      paul_p, after the hacking, of course ;)
16:25 asaurat      kohastis 3.7.323.hips
16:26 * oleonard   learned everything he knows about Marseille from "Asterix and the Banquet"
16:26 kf           oleonard: at least you can speak some french...
16:27 * mbalmer    hopes the quarter around the old harbour is nice
16:27 kf           mbalmer: ah, I saw you are still listed at hotelmoderne in paul's spreadsheet
16:27 mbalmer      paul_p, I am actually in the Newhotel Vieux Port
16:27 Shane-S      bug 7646, I finally got a patch that works I hope...anyone free that could test the patch? I had a heck of time using git rebase to learn how to fix a patch last night
16:27 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7646 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, ssammons, In Discussion , Printing w/o the SQL Code showing
16:28 oleonard     Shane-S: Mark the report as "needs signoff" so people know it's ready for testing
16:29 paul_p       mbalmer beware = for a swiss man, Marseille look like a dirty city. but the "vieux port" is one of the most typical place of Marseille. And close from our office
16:29 mbalmer      kf, I can't edit that spreadsheet, in fact I can't even read it (no google account)
16:29 tcohen       a perl monk there? need some comfirmation
16:29 Shane-S      oleonard: even if I am not 90% sure, because I had git issues, I'm nervous the patch won't work, diff looks good though
16:29 mbalmer      paul_p, it should only be a 15 min walk.
16:30 paul_p       Shane-S you could use a sandbox to check yourself that the patch cleanly applies
16:30 tcohen       is this: if (blessed($variable) && $variable->isa("Class::Package"))
16:30 paul_p       Shane-S http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Sandboxes
16:30 tcohen       a good way of knowing an object is an instance of a classs?
16:30 oleonard     Shane-S: Or you can test the patch yourself by creating a new branch based on master and trying to apply it
16:30 kf           mbalmer: i put it in
16:30 mbalmer      thanks
16:30 clrh         have a good we, bye
16:31 kf           bye claire :)
16:31 mbalmer      is there any other info needed, like phone numbers or so?
16:31 kf           there is the company (empty for you) name, email , ric nick counry arrives on leaves on hotel
16:31 kf           and you are added to the database workshop ;)
16:32 mbalmer      that sounds reasonable
16:32 mbalmer      company is not important, I guess.
16:32 kf           I think you leave earlier now?
16:32 jcamins      ric?
16:32 kf           Thursday 12am (or Friday 17pm)
16:32 mbalmer      kf, yes, friday afternoon
16:33 mbalmer      flight is around friday 15:something
16:33 kf           oups, wrong line
16:33 kf           I wrote friday afternoon
16:41 marcelr      sekjal: looking at 7031 now
16:41 jcamins      bug 7031
16:41 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7031 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha.sekjal, Signed Off , More options for AdvancedSearchTypes
16:44 sekjal       thanks, marcelr
16:44 marcelr      sekjal: why opac images in staff for item types (quick question)
16:45 sekjal       I'm not sure... I think there was a followup patch to resolve that
16:45 marcelr      ok will look into it further ;)
16:46 sekjal       I think it may have been a copy/paste error
16:47 marcelr      in catalogue/search.pl
16:47 sekjal       I cobbled that patch together over the course of several months, mostly in train stations
16:47 marcelr      :-)
16:48 sekjal       brb
16:51 oleonard     Anyone know the reasons behind Bug 7689?
16:51 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7689 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, stephane.delaune, Needs Signoff , add possibility to hide my tags in opac
16:52 oleonard     Clicking "hide my tags" reloads the page and hides the table of the user's tags. But... why?
16:54 jcamins      Shane-S: developers can't sign off on their own patches.
16:54 * Shane-S    was just doing what the sandbox page said :(
16:55 jcamins      Shane-S: it's okay.
16:55 oleonard     Shane-S: The sandbox page is aimed at people who are testing other people's patches :)
16:56 Shane-S      feel free to use it :P I just added a fine and a fines report from http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library#Patrons_w.2F_Fines to test it
16:58 Shane-S      oleonard: I haven't used tags, but is there something wrong with wanting to hide a feature?
16:58 oleonard     It's unusual to add a link to an OPAC page specifically for hiding content on that page.
17:02 * Shane-S    goes to see what the feature is/does
17:02 alaquerre    Hi everyone, is there a way to sort, by default, the subfield in the acquisition and cataloging so the number will be display after the letter ?  Right now we have $1, $4, $a, $b, $e etc.  We would like to have it : $a, $b, $e, $1, $4.  People told correct in 3.2, and incorrect since we moved in 3.6.
17:02 jcamins      Not to my knowledge.
17:03 sekjal       subfield order is important in MARC
17:03 reiveune     bye
17:03 jcamins      sekjal: it is, but I don't think there's any way to adjust the default.
17:04 sekjal       jcamins:  no, probably not
17:04 Shane-S      couldn't the web output be loaded into a JS array to allow it to be sorted in the browser, but not actually change the backend?
17:05 jcamins      Shane-S: really the cataloging editor just needs to be entirely rewritten because it's...
17:05 jcamins      unpleasant.
17:06 alaquerre    People here told me by default it need to be letter first and after that number.  It's a Marc21 standard.  Example :  http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd100.html
17:06 jcamins      alaquerre: unfortunately, that's not possible.
17:07 jcamins      alaquerre: the code for the cataloging interface is quite horrifying.
17:08 wizzyrea     yea, it's hipwaders area
17:08 alaquerre    jcamins : Okay. would it be something the community would like to eventually get ?
17:08 jcamins      alaquerre: yes, I think we'd all like to see it rewritten, but that's kind of a big undertaking.
17:08 wizzyrea     a cataloging rewrite? ^^ what he said
17:09 wizzyrea     and it would almost require a working group
17:09 jcamins      And an army of saints.
17:09 kf           hm
17:09 alaquerre    Well, that's too much for our group right now :-P
17:09 kf           perhaps we could make it a parallel thing?
17:09 wizzyrea     lol
17:09 kf           have another editor... until the other is no more used
17:09 kf           :)
17:09 oleonard     Someone should write up a proposal to form a committee to choose preliminary members of the working group development board.
17:09 jcamins      kf: yes, that would be best.
17:09 kf           lol
17:10 kf           koha_fridays++
17:10 wizzyrea     oleonard: cynical much?
17:10 wizzyrea     :)
17:10 * jcamins    has written four cataloging interfaces, and does not want to take on this.
17:10 * kf         will meet oleonard!
17:10 kf           lol
17:10 * kf         is so excited about marseille
17:10 wizzyrea     :)
17:10 jcamins      *take this on
17:10 kf           jcamins: can we plug in one of them into koha?
17:10 * wizzyrea   is reminded of that 80's song take on me
17:10 jcamins      I'd like a nice Javascript-y Connexion-like interface.
17:11 jcamins      kf: yeah, but they're special-purpose.
17:11 jcamins      kf: go home!
17:11 kf           hehe
17:11 wizzyrea     accessibility?
17:11 kf           thx :)
17:11 kf           bye all - cya later!
17:11 wizzyrea     bye!
17:11 sturmtruppen hi #koha
17:11 wizzyrea     hi
17:12 jcamins      wizzyrea: I think accessibility would be better with an interface like that.
17:12 alaquerre    Ok thanks for your input.  I understand that under my little idea there is big problem. Have a good weekend everyone.
17:12 jcamins      Just. Type. What. You. Want. :)
17:13 jcamins      Versus right now... find appropriate box. Move box. Enter text. Realize that you entered text in the wrong box. Try to change subfield. Discover that your fields are in the wrong order. Realize you have no choice about that. Bang head on desk.
17:13 * oleonard   thinks to wonder what pianohacker is up to these days
17:13 jcamins      In order to have anywhere near as many steps for my suggested new interface, I had to make each word a separate step. That seems like a win to me. :)
17:14 wizzyrea     college. Girls.
17:14 wizzyrea     (I hope.)
17:14 wizzyrea     (or boys, whatever.
17:14 wizzyrea     the follies of youth
17:14 jcamins      oleonard: exactly, something like pianohacker's interface, only integrated with authority control, authorised values, etc.
17:15 jcamins      And with integrated Z39.50 because...
17:15 jcamins      I like integrated Z39.50. :P
17:16 oleonard     Yeah, it sounds all so simple until you, you know, describe it.
17:16 tcohen       bye #koha, have a nice weekend
17:16 wizzyrea     bye :)
17:16 jcamins      oleonard: no, it'd be very simple to use.
17:16 jcamins      :P
17:17 Shane-S      oleonard: I am baffled by that bug as well, commented as such, I can't even come up with a purpose and I can very much a let user have what they want type :P
17:22 oleonard     Hi luisb
17:24 hdl1         jcamins: something like biblios ?
17:25 jcamins      hdl1: right, only not based on an obsolete technology.
17:25 jcamins      And somewhat less buggy, ideally.
17:26 jcamins      And ideally the integrated Z39.50 would work directly off the editor window.
17:28 hdl1         jcamins: biblios looked to some folks some great improvement over Koha cataloging module. opencataloger was also an other project for that.
17:28 hdl1         http://gna.org/projects/opencataloger/
17:28 hdl1         based on xul
17:29 jcamins      hdl1: it was a great improvement, and I was disappointed when it became clear that Google Gears wasn't going anywhere.
17:29 jcamins      Unfortunately, opencataloger appears to have been abandoned 4 years ago?
17:30 hdl1         jcamins: yes. because some company preferred to create just an other project.
17:30 oleonard     biblios was probably doomed more by Liblime's failure to monetize it. They could have overcome the Gears dependency if they'd wanted to.
17:31 jcamins      oleonard: true.
17:31 hdl1         oleonard: if ppl are willing to take over the code and improve it, at least code is there.
17:33 hdl1         see ya
17:35 jcamins      Time for lunch, I think.
17:40 wizzyrea     oleonard: for some reason, this makes me think of you: http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/laughingsquid/~3/jXTlcfRkRh4/
17:41 oleonard     Naw, I was never such a color nerd as to know my Pantone numbers :)
17:42 wizzyrea     hehe
17:42 wizzyrea     you know there's a pantone for "Tardis Blue"
17:42 wizzyrea     hm, maybe not pantone... sec
17:42 sekjal       idea: a Koha tool for recording arbitrary statistics (like door counts, headcounts in areas of the library, or reference transactions)
17:42 wizzyrea     2955c
17:43 wizzyrea     that's the BBC-approved color
17:44 oleonard     sekjal: What would be the advantage of doing that from within Koha?
17:44 wizzyrea     you could have a door counter that talked to the ILS via sip I guess
17:44 wizzyrea     that would be cool
17:45 sekjal       oleonard: to bundle more of your library stat data in one DB
17:45 sekjal       so you could look at circ stats in the context of doorcount, for example
17:47 Shane-S      someone get that libraries made scheme quote...sekjal seems to be following it :P
17:47 sekjal       and, as wizzyrea points out, if there could be a SIP2 or other standard interface for it, various devices could be connected
17:47 wizzyrea     @quote get 123
17:47 huginn       wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
17:47 * sekjal     is looking for a unified stats solution for his library
17:47 wizzyrea     maybe something like fulfillment for stats
17:47 wizzyrea     crystal reports-like
17:48 wizzyrea     but that can talk to koha
17:48 wizzyrea     "hey dude, what're the stats?"
17:48 Shane-S      but you want the data IN koha and no communicating to an external statistical DB?
17:49 Shane-S      Sound to be like you could make collections interfaces for those fancy sports tires that are out there now?
17:49 * Shane-S    not the "wheel" analogy
17:49 Shane-S      note*
17:50 jcamins      March 31, 2013.
17:50 sekjal       Shane-S: not every library will have an external stats DB; why not include it with Koha, and let users decide if it's worth using in their environment
17:50 jcamins      Big day.
17:50 wahanui      big day is 9/10/11
17:50 jcamins      wahanui: forget big day.
17:50 wahanui      jcamins: I forgot big day
17:50 jcamins      Big day is March 31, 2013.
17:50 jcamins      big day?
17:50 wahanui      big day is March 31, 2013.
17:50 wizzyrea     why's that
17:51 jcamins      March 31, 2013?
17:51 wahanui      March 31, 2013 is, like, RDA implementation day
17:51 wizzyrea     O.o
17:52 Shane-S      sekjal: I was just tossing that out there, if others want it, why not add it, just don't think its worth re-inventing the wheel if there are "plugins" so to speak
17:53 jcamins      Choosing March 31 for that seems...
17:53 jcamins      Wrong.
17:53 jcamins      Wouldn't April 1 have been a better choice?
17:53 sekjal       jcamins: better than Feb 31
17:53 * jcamins    almost wrote "bitter choice." Would've been appropriate.
17:53 jcamins      sekjal: true.
17:53 jcamins      Well, maybe.
17:53 * Shane-S    wonders why people are worrying about 2013, I hear we are all doomed in 2012 anyway *snickers(
17:54 jcamins      Actually, February 31 might have been better.
17:54 jcamins      @quote search rda
17:54 huginn       jcamins: No matching quotes were found.
17:54 jcamins      @rda?
17:54 huginn       jcamins: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
17:55 Shane-S      wizzyrea: I am not pressuring, just curious as you have that paid service, my book covers in results break your paid service covers?
17:56 * Shane-S    is staring at quotes for computers so he is kinda bored waiting for a call back
17:59 jcamins      Shane-S: new server?
17:59 Shane-S      no, waiting on my budget for that, getting a 2U server that I can virtualize with 32Gb Ram :)
17:59 Shane-S      Right now I am waiting for the sales rep to call me back on 30 netbooks
18:00 Shane-S      I want to know why the order is "stuck"
18:00 jcamins      Because anyone who is ordering 30 netbooks should be upsold to a smaller number of higher margin items?
18:02 Shane-S      Lol doubt it, love my netbooks, for 5-12 year old's they work great. iPads even better for 5-8
18:02 Shane-S      I get more complaints from adults going...they kids can't read the screen...and I respond...I can so why can't they...oh wait it is YOU who can't :P
18:03 Shane-S      I am a mean techie @ work ;)
18:03 wizzyrea     alert, alert, bofh!
18:03 wizzyrea     j/k :)
18:03 wizzyrea     and no - sorry I've been rushing around all week like a crazy person.
18:04 * wizzyrea   waves towards the himalayas
18:04 Shane-S      okay, I just want to fix it if it does break, but I don't forsee that as all I did was add CSS classes
18:07 Shane-S      Oh what field is book price pulled from?
18:07 Shane-S      its is pulled from the item or biblio is better questions
18:07 cait         depends where
18:07 Shane-S      I mean one book could cost $25 and then another cost $10, but both be the same book
18:08 cait         in circulation from the item, replacement cost
18:08 Shane-S      well for our needs, in reports
18:08 cait         when oyu stage records in ACQ somewhere from the record
18:11 Shane-S      Anyone know if you can set checkout alerts for content/grade/age level?
18:11 kyleh        calling all developers: looking for opinions. I'm looking at integrating the koha mobile-phone opac support that stow-munroe has created and I have a simple but important questions: Should the mobile site have separate perl scripts for everything, or should the mobile opac use the standard opac scripts with just a separate set of templates. Stow-Munroe used separte opac scripts, but they are just direct copies of the originals with
18:11 kyleh        the template names changed. I'm leaning toward having the mobile site just be another set of templates. That way, we keep the code DRY. I can then engineer a way for koha to use the mobile templates instead of the standard opac templates when the site is reached from a mobile phone ( probably using some apache configuration ).
18:11 cait         not yet
18:11 cait         but there is a bug abou tit
18:12 cait         Shane-S: search bugzilla for it - restriction
18:12 jcamins      kyleh: separate templates, single scripts.
18:12 Shane-S      kk will do
18:12 wizzyrea     kyleh: what jcamins said
18:12 cait         yep
18:13 cait         sep templates
18:13 oleonard     kyleh: How does the browser detection work?
18:14 maximep      our opac version is so much more simple : we just did a separate css
18:14 jcamins      maximep: unfortunately, you can't release it.
18:15 kyleh        oleanard: I'll figure that part out afterward : )  I'm imagining another section in the apache file for the mobile stuff, and have apache set an environment variable that we can use to tell the template getter to use the mobile templates instead of the standard opac templates.
18:15 maximep      jcamins: ? I think we will
18:16 jcamins      maximep: I thought you weren't allowed to release your changes?
18:16 maximep      [off] preview at https://dev3.koha.sys-tech.net/. Simple media queries so juste resize your browser window.
18:17 wizzyrea     that would be cool if you could
18:17 maximep      client is working hard to enable us to release all our changes
18:18 cait         jcamins: they already released some things :)
18:18 jcamins      cait: I know, but I thought there was some sort of contract issue that limited them to the previously-released things.
18:18 oleonard     maximep's approach is the one I have been advocating
18:18 jcamins      oleonard: I thought you were advocating an entirely new template?
18:19 cait         can't we do both? :)
18:19 oleonard     jcamins: I think it can be made even more flexible if we rebuild using a different CSS framework
18:19 oleonard     jcamins: But the principle is the same: different CSS being applied at different viewport widths
18:19 jcamins      oleonard: I see.
18:20 maximep      really only 2 lines + css
18:20 jcamins      maximep: that's very cool. It'd be awesome if you could release it. :)
18:21 maximep      I think it's planned
18:21 maximep      not finished yet
18:21 jcamins      maximep: that's okay... there's nothing wrong with sharing work-in-progress. Just use a public git repository.
18:30 alaquerre    Another question for everyone : When we do the acquisition, is it possible to see the item fields on placing order + reception ?  Couple of peoples here would like to have access to items field at each step.  ( Placing order : select budget, document type.  On reception : place barcode, price etc. )   We currently need to use one or the other...
18:32 cait         alaquerre: not yet
18:32 cait         but that's in the works
18:32 cait         alaquerre: there is a patch waiting for that to be signed off even I think
18:32 alaquerre    Is it done, do you need
18:32 alaquerre    ..
18:32 alaquerre    ok - nice then.
18:32 cait         there are some other enhancements in the works to make the items look nicer
18:33 cait         in acq
18:33 cait         let me find it for you :)
18:33 alaquerre    ok
18:33 cait         bug 3966
18:33 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3966 normal, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Needs Signoff , receiving items should allow for entering barcode
18:33 cait         bug 7178
18:33 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7178 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Failed QA , Improve order item creation
18:33 oleonard     Lunch time
18:33 cait         there are screenshots too :)
18:34 cait         but it looks even better now
18:34 mbalmer      Lunch time there, Dinner time here ;)
18:34 alaquerre    btw : to make sure maximep is saying the truth - We will release mobile opac once it's ready.  Let's say in 1 month from now.
18:34 alaquerre    thanks cait!
18:35 cait         alaquerre: cool - perhaps will be in 3.10 :)
18:35 cait         3.8 is already so near!
18:35 alaquerre    I dont want to put pressure on maximep here :-)
18:36 maximep      =)
18:38 dgl-library  I have a question about the Koha "Quick Start": http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.6_on_Debian_Squeeze#Quick_Start
18:38 wizzyrea     shoot
18:38 alaquerre    cait: that's exacly what we need for the acquisition.  Thanks for the help. chow!
18:38 cait         alaquerre: glad I could help :)
18:39 dgl-library  wizzyrea: thanks. not hosting this on a domain. strictly local LAN. do I need to specify a domain?
18:40 dgl-library  as in… DOMAIN=".mydomain.co.nz"
18:40 dgl-library  INTRAPORT="80"
18:40 dgl-library  INTRAPREFIX=""
18:40 dgl-library  INTRASUFFIX="-intra"
18:40 wizzyrea     that's a good question, my guess is no
18:40 jcamins      Yes.
18:40 wizzyrea     see, ha
18:40 jcamins      Sorry, was distracted.
18:40 jcamins      Set it to localhost
18:40 jcamins      Take out INTRASUFFIX.
18:40 jcamins      Set INTRAPORT to 8080.
18:40 wizzyrea     ok, now I don't feel so dumb, because I was going to suggest that. We really ought to add that to the docs.
18:41 jcamins      Add Listen 8080 to /etc/apache2/ports.conf.
18:41 jcamins      We should, yes.
18:41 dgl-library  jcamins: thanks! yes, would be good to have that in the docs
18:41 dgl-library  where/how do I add Listen 8080 to /etc/apache2/ports.conf?
18:42 jcamins      dgl-library: just at the end. After the Listen 8080
18:42 jcamins      Sorry.
18:42 jcamins      After the Listen 80
18:42 dgl-library  what about INTRAPREFIX?
18:43 jcamins      leave that blank as well.
18:43 dgl-library  and I leave INTRASUFFIX blank, or remove the whole line?
18:44 wizzyrea     dgl if you refresh
18:44 wizzyrea     you should see the changes
18:44 wizzyrea     to the wiki
18:44 wahanui      to the wiki is, like, best, when it's there
18:44 jcamins      dgl-library: you leave that blank.
18:44 wizzyrea     jcamins, please proof ;)
18:44 wizzyrea     http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.6_on_Debian_Squeeze#Quick_Start
18:45 dgl-library  wizzyrea: wow, that was fast — nice work!
18:45 jcamins      Looks good.
18:45 jcamins      I think.
18:45 jcamins      Yup, looks right to me.
18:45 dgl-library  jcamins: thanks for the info!
18:46 jcamins      You're welcome. :)
18:48 jcamins      It's GSOC application time.
18:51 * jcamins    nominates someone else to propose Koha as a mentor organization.
18:52 * wizzyrea   suggests "cataloging rewrite"
18:52 wizzyrea     ha ha ha ha ha
18:52 wizzyrea     oh.
18:54 jcamins      wizzyrea: will you be our GSOC administrator? :)
18:54 wizzyrea     sure why not.
18:54 wizzyrea     do we need a vote?
18:54 wizzyrea     lol.
18:54 jcamins      Probably.
18:55 wizzyrea     nuts.
18:55 jcamins      Also an application, and a list of ideas, and stuff.
18:55 wizzyrea     oh well maybe next year
18:55 jcamins      There's still time.
18:56 wizzyrea     4 hours and 17 minutes, to be exact.
18:56 wizzyrea     15 minutes
18:56 jcamins      lol
18:56 jcamins      Yup. :)
18:56 dgl-library  so the relevant bit of ports.conf should look like this, right?
18:57 dgl-library  NameVirtualHost *:80
18:57 dgl-library  Listen 80
18:57 dgl-library  Listen 8080
18:57 jcamins      Yup.
18:57 dgl-library  I don't need to change NameVirtualHost to localhost?
18:57 jcamins      Nope.
18:57 dgl-library  great. thanks
18:57 jcamins      You won't be using name-based virtual hosts.
18:58 dgl-library  hmm, gedit opened it read-only…
18:58 wizzyrea     sudo gedit
18:59 dgl-library  wizzyrea: ok
19:00 dgl-library  I think I did something wrong in debian, because my user is not in the sudoers file
19:00 dgl-library  I always have to use the Root Terminal tool instead (in Gnome)
19:00 jcamins      dgl-library: Debian doesn't use sudo by default. You have to add your user to sudoers yourself.
19:01 dgl-library  ok
19:13 dgl-library  does everything need to be run as sudo/root, including koha-create?
19:14 jcamins      dgl-library: the koha-* commands need to be run as root.
19:14 dgl-library  thanks
19:16 dgl-library  not sure if I've run into a snag here or not, but when following the step "sudo a2enmod rewrite" I got this result:
19:16 dgl-library  Enabling module rewrite.
19:16 dgl-library  Run '/etc/init.d/apache2 restart' to activate new configuration!
19:16 dgl-library  dgl@library-server:~$ /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
19:16 dgl-library  Restarting web server: apache2apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName
19:16 dgl-library  apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName
19:16 dgl-library  (13)Permission denied: make_sock: could not bind to address [::]:80
19:16 dgl-library  (13)Permission denied: make_sock: could not bind to address 0.0.0.0:80
19:16 dgl-library  no listening sockets available, shutting down
19:16 dgl-library  Unable to open logs
19:16 dgl-library  Action 'start' failed.
19:16 dgl-library  The Apache error log may have more information.
19:16 dgl-library  failed!
19:16 dgl-library  I mean, I got that result when I ran the command: /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
19:17 jcamins      That has to be run with sudo.
19:17 wizzyrea     anytime you restart apache it has to be done as sudo or root
19:18 wizzyrea     well anytime you touch the apache config, really
19:19 dgl-library  I see
19:21 dgl-library  I guess that worked… the result was: Restarting web server: apache2apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName
19:21 dgl-library  ... waiting apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName
19:21 jcamins      Yeah, that's fine.
19:21 dgl-library  great
19:22 dgl-library  do I have to run "koha-create --create-db mylibrary" from within a certain directory?
19:22 jcamins      Nope.
19:22 jcamins      Just with sudo.
19:23 jcamins      Or as root.
19:24 dgl-library  does this look successful?
19:24 dgl-library  cat: /etc/koha/passwd: No such file or directory
19:24 dgl-library  Koha instance is empty, no staff user created.
19:24 dgl-library  Enabling site dgllibrary.
19:24 dgl-library  Run '/etc/init.d/apache2 reload' to activate new configuration!
19:24 dgl-library  Restarting web server: apache2apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName
19:24 dgl-library  ... waiting apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName
19:24 dgl-library  .
19:24 wahanui      i already had it that way, dgl-library.
19:24 dgl-library  Starting Zebra server for dgllibrary
19:25 jcamins      Looks like you're all set up. :)
19:25 dgl-library  :) :)
19:27 dgl-library  one more question about localhost — if I'm eventually going to set a specific IP address for the koha server so other machines on the LAN can access it, would I enter that ip address as DOMAIN= or is it still localhost?
19:27 jcamins      Hm.
19:27 jcamins      I don't think it matters.
19:28 jcamins      You just have to modify the Apache config file to listen on the correct address.
19:28 dgl-library  ok. my guess would also have been that I don't need to mess with it.
19:28 jcamins      (the config file is /etc/apache2/sites/sites-available/dgllibrary )
19:28 dgl-library  but apache is on the same box as koha (and mysql), so isn't it still localhost?
19:29 jcamins      dgl-library: you need to modify that file if you want Apache to listen on a particular address that isn't localhost.
19:29 jcamins      That was a note for the future, not an instruction.
19:30 dgl-library  ah, gotcha
19:30 dgl-library  ok, signing off for now. thanks so much jcamins and wizzyrea for so patiently walking me through this!
19:33 jcamins      Here's a weird one.
19:33 jcamins      A system that I've been happily using all day just gave me this error: Global symbol "$borrowernumber" requires explicit package name at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/cataloguing/addbooks.pl line 75.
19:34 cait         hm
19:34 jcamins      It's an easy workaround.
19:34 jcamins      Don't use that page.
19:34 jcamins      That's why I didn't notice it before. I rarely go to the cataloguing home page.
19:38 oleonard     jcamins: Any idea what the cause is? It doesn't happen to me
19:38 jcamins      oleonard: none. This isn't master.
19:38 jcamins      That's two different thoughts.
19:39 jcamins      My guess would be the C4-decycling.
19:40 jcamins      I would also guess that when I update the problem will go away.
19:44 dgl-library  jcamins: sorry, back for a quick question. after a reboot, I see I now have a new unix user called something like "koha instance dgllibrary" … Is there ever a reason why I should log in as that user, such as when I do the web setup? (I don't remember picking a password, btw)
19:44 jcamins      dgl-library: no, never.
19:45 dgl-library  ok. thanks for clarifying that.
19:45 dgl-library  adios for now — signing off again
19:49 oleonard     nengard around?
19:50 nengard      yes
19:50 oleonard     In what browser are you seeing Bug 7693?
19:50 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7693 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , clear screen button misaligned
19:50 nengard      firefox
19:50 nengard      on mac
19:50 oleonard     Firefox 10.x?
19:52 nengard      is that the most recent? :)
19:52 oleonard     Yes. 10.0.2 is what I have.
19:55 nengard      then yes
20:02 * jcamins    heads home early.
20:25 mbalmer      paul_p?
20:25 wahanui      paul_p is the 3.8 release manager, and is very tall, and does not like coffee.
20:29 mbalmer      bah
20:36 maximep      maximep?
20:36 wahanui      I LIKE PLAYING DRUMS AND METAL MUSIC
20:37 maximep      AND SCREAMING AT YOU
20:39 bag          mtj?
20:39 wahanui      DeM KraZy NutZ!!
20:39 bag          heh
20:39 bag          @wunder 93109
20:39 huginn       bag: The current temperature in K6LCM-Westside/Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 27.1°C (12:38 PM PST on March 09, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 10%. Dew Point: -7.0°C. Pressure: 30.11 in 1019.5 hPa (Steady).
20:39 bag          yeah it's HOT here
20:39 maximep      @wunder cyqc
20:39 huginn       maximep: Error: No such location could be found.
20:39 bag          @wunder wellington, nz
20:39 huginn       bag: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0°C (9:00 AM NZDT on March 10, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
20:39 maximep      @wunder CYQC
20:39 huginn       maximep: Error: No such location could be found.
20:39 maximep      arg
20:39 maximep      @wunder CYQB
20:39 huginn       maximep: The current temperature in Quebec, Quebec is -2.0°C (3:00 PM EST on March 09, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: -11.0°C. Windchill: -7.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Rising).
20:40 maximep      beautiful day and kind of warm here
20:41 wizzyrea     @wunder lawrence ks
20:41 huginn       wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 16.2°C (2:40 PM CST on March 09, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 26%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Pressure: 30.47 in 1031.7 hPa (Steady).
20:41 wizzyrea     not bad :)
20:41 wizzyrea     pretty nice really
20:42 bag          yup but doesn't compare with 27!!!
20:42 bag          heh
20:42 sekjal       @wunder 01373
20:42 huginn       sekjal: The current temperature in Plain Road East, South Deerfield, Massachusetts is 5.7°C (3:04 PM EST on March 09, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.79 in 1008.7 hPa (Steady).
20:43 bag          ouch another crushing defeat for SB!
20:43 maximep      27 is ridiculous
20:43 maximep      -2 is good enough for me
20:43 oleonard     @wunder 45701
20:43 huginn       oleonard: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is 7.0°C (3:40 PM EST on March 09, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 35%. Dew Point: -7.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.23 in 1023.6 hPa (Steady).
20:43 wizzyrea     16's really not bad. Pretty nice.
20:43 bag          darn another win :)
20:43 wizzyrea     27 is getting close to "too warm"
20:43 bag          for early spring :)
20:43 oleonard     More like Quebec than Kansas here today
20:43 bag          but today will probably be the hotest day or the year :)
20:44 wizzyrea     well, to be fair kansas is unseasonably warm :)
20:44 bag          s/or/of
20:44 bag          @gcalc 27 in F
20:44 huginn       bag: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
20:44 bag          heh
20:45 maximep      @gcalc 27C in F
20:45 huginn       maximep: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
20:45 maximep      wuuuuuuut
20:45 maximep       80.6
20:46 oleonard     @gcalc 27 c in fahrenheit
20:46 huginn       oleonard: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
20:46 oleonard     Hunh, works in Google.
20:47 bag          @gcalc 27 degrees Celsius in Fahrenheit
20:47 huginn       bag: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
20:47 bag          stupid
20:49 maximep      @gcalc 2+2
20:49 huginn       maximep: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
20:49 maximep      right.
20:49 wizzyrea     2+2
20:49 oleonard     2+2?
20:49 wahanui        4
20:49 wizzyrea     there it is
20:49 maximep      2+2*2?
20:49 wahanui        6
20:49 oleonard     27 degrees Celsius in Fahrenheit?
20:50 maximep      nice
20:50 maximep      most people get 2+2*2 wrong
20:50 oleonard     2+(7-3*9)+4/3?
20:50 wahanui      -16.6666666666667
20:50 oleonard     That's what I thought too.
20:53 maximep      pretty good
21:37 sekjal       looks like the weekend has begun
21:41 sekjal       later, #koha!
22:34 magnus_afk   g'night #koha!
22:34 wizzyrea     ! you are not in bed already?
22:34 magnus_away  nope, not quite
22:34 * wizzyrea   shoos you that way
22:34 magnus_away  11.30 pm here though
22:34 magnus_away  yeah, yeah i'm gone now :-)
22:34 * wizzyrea   nods
22:34 wizzyrea     I figured!
22:58 wizzyrea     woot! time to go!
22:58 wizzyrea     later
23:07 bag          bug 7402
23:07 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7402 normal, P3, ---, chris, Pushed to Master , invoice not showing received titles
23:07 bag          bug 7420
23:07 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7420 enhancement, P3, ---, srdjan, Signed Off , Add max fines to circulation matrix