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23:35 * Space_Librarian breaks the admin area again...
23:34 huginn Space_Librarian: 5
23:34 Space_Librarian @dice 1d20
23:11 * Space_Librarian re-fixes the tools area again
23:07 Space_Librarian (before I break something again?)
23:06 Space_Librarian dearest wise and venerable denziens of koha. riddle me this: Where do I switch on the holds placed email?
22:56 wizzyrea hm no, gonna have to revisit that tomorrow
22:50 wizzyrea no I don't think that worked
22:43 wizzyrea let me check
22:43 * wizzyrea was waiting for it to run
22:43 jcamins_away Did the report work with the revised join?
22:40 wizzyrea O.o that's a bit extreme
22:39 jcamins_away And this problem goes back at least 1.5 years.
22:39 jcamins_away Android version 2.3.4.
22:39 jcamins_away We're talking about a phone that shuts off and then takes fifteen minutes to turn on very happily.
22:39 jcamins_away But we're not talking about a locked up phone.
22:38 jcamins_away You have a point there.
22:38 jcamins_away lol
22:38 * wizzyrea argues
22:38 wizzyrea but it doesn't always :)
22:38 jcamins_away wizzyrea: but when I choose "shut down" on my computer, I expect it to do that.
22:37 jcamins_away Why don't you just, I don't know, *turn off* when I choose the "turn off" button.
22:37 wizzyrea a PC in your pocket.
22:37 wizzyrea dunno, you'd reboot a PC, which is basically what you've got
22:37 * Space_Librarian is still waiting for hers to upgrade to ice cream sandwich
22:37 jcamins_away Pull the battery for a software error.
22:37 jcamins_away That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard of.
22:37 wizzyrea but I had to replace the UI, samsung's UI made me feel itchy.
22:37 Space_Librarian which may be ice cream sandwich and it is a little buggy
22:37 jcamins_away That did fix it, BTW.
22:37 wizzyrea mine runs gingerbread and it's alright
22:36 jcamins_away Space_Librarian: I don't know, it's running whatever version of Android it updated to.
22:36 jcamins_away wizzyrea: I'd expect it from an iPhone.
22:35 Space_Librarian Wait - is it running ice cream sandwich or gingerbread?
22:35 wizzyrea also, even iphones do nonsense like that
22:35 jcamins_away That's what I've been told.
22:35 Space_Librarian HTC's are usually pretty good
22:34 jcamins_away Let's see... did that fix it?
22:34 jcamins_away HTC Incredible.
22:34 Space_Librarian Which smartphone is giving you grief?
22:34 wizzyrea oh, on your smart phone.
22:34 Space_Librarian lol.
22:34 wizzyrea ?!
22:34 jcamins_away Software error? Remove and replace the battery!
22:33 jcamins_away Why didn't I think of that...
22:31 wizzyrea see I knew I was doing something dumb.
22:30 jcamins_away Join accountlines to borrowernumber.
22:29 pastebot "wizzyrea" at 24.124.17.146 pasted "my stumper, my stumper, my lovely lady stumper" (11 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/288
22:27 wizzyrea I get those.
22:27 wizzyrea but they didn't lose it, another patron did
22:27 wizzyrea so say, this person checked out jane eyre
22:27 wizzyrea but I keep getting every item that is lost that the patron has checked out
22:27 wizzyrea this sounds easy
22:27 wizzyrea right, a report that lists patron name + all of their lost items + what they owe
22:26 wizzyrea oh.
22:26 wizzyrea hahaha
22:26 wizzyrea so I'm looking to get a report
22:26 jcamins_away wizzyrea: what was your stumper?
22:26 wizzyrea I just realized that I never finished my stumper
22:26 wizzyrea hah
22:26 Space_Librarian that is one of life's big mysteries
22:26 jcamins_away wth was wrong with "dumb" phones that worked, that we needed to switch to "smart" phones that don't?
22:25 * jcamins_away has one too.
22:00 wizzyrea I have a bit of a stumper. Well, it's a stumper for me
22:00 wizzyrea ok
21:56 sekjal night, all
21:55 * wizzyrea giggles at skyrim jokes
21:55 cait lol
21:55 sekjal trying to keep the students out of the bars on Thursday night
21:55 rangi i used to get my game on, but then i took an arrow to the knee
21:55 rangi ahh
21:55 wizzyrea oh, so "work" ;)
21:55 sekjal library's Get Your Game On! event
21:54 wizzyrea syschange?
21:54 wizzyrea ewww
21:54 sekjal wizzyrea: yeah, 10pm to 2am
21:54 wizzyrea later sekjal
21:54 wizzyrea you're working at 10pm tonight?!
21:54 sekjal good <<localtime>>, #koha!
21:52 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded.
21:52 rangi @later tell ebegin http://accessconference.ca/2012/03/01/access-2012-dates-announced/
21:52 sekjal now it's time for me to wrap up my day here and trundle on over to the bus. got to get some food and caffeine going on before coming back to work at 10pm tonight
21:52 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded.
21:52 rangi @later tell maximep http://accessconference.ca/2012/03/01/access-2012-dates-announced/
21:51 sekjal notes made.
21:40 eythian_bucklame hmm, that's still something that could grow problematically.
21:37 wizzyrea "perl cubbies"
21:36 sekjal it may be... it looks like it could be a hash of a hash of a hash that stores everything in it's own little cubby
21:31 eythian_bucklame that's the only reason I could think of off the top of my head.
21:31 eythian_bucklame it's possible, I'm not sure. Could it be something that doesn't change?
21:31 sekjal but from what I know, that set up is problematic
21:31 sekjal eythian_bucklame: perhaps he's got more up-to-date information than I.
21:30 wizzyrea :)
21:30 eythian_bucklame huh, srdjan should know better: the other big perl project he works on is mod_perl
21:30 sekjal yes, always!
21:30 sekjal in other news, love the variable name $want_librarian in GetPreparedLetter().
21:29 wizzyrea i've no doubt that he'll fix it post haste if he can. :)
21:28 sekjal I'll write it up in the bug report, and maybe Srdjan can explain what that particular bit of code is doing. It may be worth the trouble down the line for the immediate gains, if reimplementing it would be hard
21:27 bag yeah no I'm just saying - that mod_perl would be sweet
21:27 wizzyrea boo.
21:27 sekjal introduced by
21:27 sekjal no
21:27 wizzyrea does it pre-exist 7001?
21:27 sekjal mod_perl, or any tool other speedup that precompiles entire scripts as subroutines are going to run into a problem with this
21:26 bag but that would be sweet
21:26 bag I missed that memo
21:26 bag huh? mod_perl standards
21:25 wizzyrea :/
21:25 sekjal there's no in-line documentation around it, either, so I'm not entirely sure why it's doing this
21:23 sekjal sub getletter modifies a variable declared outside itself
21:23 wizzyrea gurg.
21:23 sekjal it's not mod_perl (and thus presumably Plack) compliant
21:23 wizzyrea noooo
21:23 sekjal uhoh. found a problem with 7001
21:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7246 enhancement, P2, ---, paul.poulain, Pushed to Master , rebuild_zebra.pl --limit option to allow partial re-indexing
21:21 wizzyrea Bug 7246
21:20 rangi helps do mass changes less disruptively
21:19 rangi then then just reindex those, rinse and repeat
21:19 rangi run an update query limit 1000
21:19 rangi itw ould be super helpful in situations like this
21:19 rangi you might want to find and test it
21:19 wizzyrea oh yea
21:19 rangi ie you can give it a range of biblionumbers
21:19 rangi libsysguy: there is a bug that im not sure what status its in, that allows partial reindexes
21:16 wizzyrea gl jcamins_away
21:15 eythian_bucklame cya
21:15 jcamins_away Wish me luck with the contractor tomorrow.
21:14 jcamins_away #koha
21:14 jcamins_away Good night, #koh.
21:14 jcamins_away And, with that thought, I think it's time to call it a day.
21:14 libsysguy thanks :)
21:14 libsysguy set to null and indexed
21:14 libsysguy fixed
21:14 jcamins_away ^^ that's what I'd do.
21:14 wizzyrea more or less.
21:14 wizzyrea which would do the same thing
21:14 wizzyrea or check it out and back in
21:13 wizzyrea wait for the zebraqueue
21:13 wizzyrea save it
21:13 wizzyrea edit the record
21:13 libsysguy it take sooo longgg :p
21:13 wizzyrea just go in
21:13 wizzyrea no
21:13 wizzyrea what you should d
21:13 libsysguy but I don't wanna do a full index :'(
21:13 wizzyrea but
21:13 wizzyrea items.onloan
21:13 wizzyrea eythian probably has it, it should be null
21:13 libsysguy hmm
21:13 wizzyrea yea, it still sounds like an index issue to me
21:13 libsysguy if I go to look at the item in the checkout status i see "not checked out"
21:13 eythian_bucklame sounds like a zebra reindex needing issue
21:13 wizzyrea and on the detail?
21:12 jcamins_away *?
21:12 jcamins_away And it displays properly on the staff client
21:12 libsysguy just the results
21:11 jcamins_away libsysguy: it shows up as checked out on detail and results, or just results?
21:11 eythian_bucklame make onloan set to null?
21:11 libsysguy im not sure what im missing
21:11 libsysguy ok si its not in issues, old_issues, onloan is set to 0 date...i ran an index after adding something to the public not...still says its checked out
21:10 eythian_bucklame hi cait
21:10 cait hi eythian :)
21:09 jcamins_away Possibly all-day.
21:09 jcamins_away Meeting with a contractor tomorrow.
21:09 eythian_bucklame fly back home this evening.
21:09 eythian_bucklame weekend tomorrow!
21:09 oleonard Bye #koha. All-day meeting tomorrow, so, uh, weep for me.
21:09 eythian_bucklame quitter
21:08 oleonard Oooh, quitting time!
21:08 * jcamins_away is sure there is a "take me to your leader" joke in here, but can't quite find it.
21:08 eythian_bucklame far, far too much time
21:07 jcamins_away eythian_bucklame: we spend too much time around MARC. I was thinking that, too.
21:07 eythian_bucklame *leader
21:07 libsysguy or perhaps that should have read "omg is that an authority header in my bed"
21:06 libsysguy omg is that a headless authority in my bed
21:06 libsysguy ^^ LOL
21:05 jcamins_away "That's a real nice authority record you got there. Real nice. Would be a shame if something happened to it."
21:05 libsysguy jcamins_away is in the authority mafia
21:04 * wizzyrea waits for the shakedown
21:04 jcamins_away oleonard: as soon as it's pushed, I'll start searching couch cushions for funding for the other authority-related projects I proposed.
21:04 wizzyrea oh cool.
21:04 sekjal so I think it's a non-issue
21:03 sekjal wizzyrea: it looks like it's not actually the content of the slip, just the page header, which likely wouldn't show on most receipt printers.
21:03 libsysguy hehe
21:03 wahanui libsysguy is Koha's hottest developer or partying with swedes on his deck
21:03 wizzyrea libsysguy?
21:03 libsysguy onloan**
21:03 oleonard jcamins_away: You need a new hobby now!
21:03 libsysguy so onload should be set to a 0-ed out timestamp?
21:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7284 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , Authority matching algorithm improvements
21:02 jcamins_away schuster: I don't know if you saw, but sekjal passed the patch for bug 7284. :)
21:02 wizzyrea and then it's all happy again
21:02 libsysguy hmm ok ill give that a shot
21:02 wizzyrea usually updating the record in some small way (i like putting a space in the public note) and saving it triggers another zebraqueue index process
21:02 schuster give it the interval for rebuild to catch up.
21:02 jcamins_away Or there's data in the onloan from migration.
21:02 cait ^^
21:01 wizzyrea and you'll see somethign in the results that's checked out, when it's really available
21:01 wizzyrea sometimes the indexes get out of whack
21:01 cait and gets indexed by zebra for availability
21:01 cait items.onloan - it always was :) used to be boolean, now is a date
21:01 cait the duedate is set in items
21:01 libsysguy ??
21:01 libsysguy it can get set in items
21:00 cait in items
21:00 wahanui hmmm... the opac is for patrons
21:00 libsysguy the opac
21:00 cait libsysguy: onloan
21:00 wizzyrea on the results or on the detail
21:00 wizzyrea and where is it showing as checked out
21:00 wizzyrea (maybe it's indexing?)
21:00 libsysguy where else could that info get putted from?
21:00 wizzyrea old_issues?
21:00 libsysguy but its not in the issues table
21:00 libsysguy so I have an ebook that is showing up as checked out
21:00 wizzyrea hey
21:00 libsysguy yo
20:59 wizzyrea via followup
20:59 wizzyrea have to add transitslip anyway
20:59 wizzyrea I can do a followup?
20:59 wizzyrea to be how it is now
20:59 wizzyrea should probably change that eh
20:59 wizzyrea *nod*
20:59 sekjal (checkout receipts, anyway)
20:59 sekjal but just doing a straight upgrade, no customization, that's the only significant difference in how slips render
20:58 wizzyrea but no, not strictly intentional afaik
20:58 sekjal right
20:58 wizzyrea you can have it do either I think
20:58 wizzyrea it's configurable
20:58 sekjal wizzyrea: was it intentional that the print checkout slip should now show borrowernumber instead of barcode in the "Print Receipt for.." line?
20:57 wizzyrea hee
20:57 rangi [off] i went there, yes i did
20:57 rangi [off] speaking of which
20:52 rangi if you cant beat the capitalist scum, join them
20:52 oleonard Looks like some fun stuff: http://www.jeanshin.com/images.htm
20:52 wizzyrea niiice
20:52 rangi so she can now go to things like this, as tax writeoffs
20:52 rangi laurel is now a sole trader, so a registered company essentially, and does her teaching on contract
20:52 wizzyrea i don't know how hipsters do it!
20:52 rangi it does take a lot of effort to be up to date
20:51 oleonard I don't have much patience for it anymore.
20:51 oleonard I'm so out of touch with the art world. My art school self would be sorely disappointed in me.
20:50 rangi my wife is an art conf in nyc and was all excited about her
20:50 rangi oleonard: ahh good its not just me then :)
20:50 rangi oleonard++ # i agree
20:49 oleonard No
20:49 rangi oleonard: heard of jean shin?
20:48 cait oleonard++
20:47 oleonard updatedatabase conflicts are usually easy to fix. I don't think anyone should have to resubmit for that kind of conflict
20:46 * wizzyrea hopes and hopes there hasn't been shifting sand underneath that one
20:45 wizzyrea woot!
20:40 sekjal yup, easy fix
20:38 jcamins_away Ah well.
20:38 sekjal I'll see if I can resolve it myself
20:38 sekjal jcamins_away: it did not
20:38 jcamins_away If you use git am -3iu /tmp/${WHATEVER} it might fix itself.
20:37 wizzyrea want me to fix it and resub or...
20:37 wizzyrea yea, that happens every time
20:37 sekjal wizzyrea: 7001 no longer applies... but it looks like it's just a DB update issue
20:24 Shane-S well down to 8% battery time to go home :P
20:24 Shane-S Okay, I was just going through and saw homebranch but didn't understand the scope
20:23 rangi ibeardslee: *nod* i figured catalyst would had to have done something for it :)
20:23 jcamins_away Oh, yeah, that's you. :)
20:23 oleonard and 1219 is old and should be WONTFIX
20:23 Shane-S okay, as I saw homebranch in there
20:22 ibeardslee rangi: we threw a couple of retired PCs at them
20:22 jcamins_away Shane-S: the two don't have anything to do with each other, no
20:22 rangi http://souphub.org.nz/
20:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1219 enhancement, P2, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , New plugin for MARC21 branch
20:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7615 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, Signed Off , Give option to use description for homebranch/holding branch in label creator instead of the branchcode
20:22 Shane-S does my bug 7615 fix bug 1219 ?
20:22 rangi this is due to be launched today
20:14 cait it can all be done by using the existing system preferences
20:14 cait for a project
20:14 cait I have done it
20:14 cait most of them can be switched off separately
20:14 oleonard Where do you see the option to place holds with opacuserlogin disabled?
20:13 nengard add to that list: add to private list, place holds
20:12 nengard lots of things shouldn't show up if you can't log in
20:12 nengard oleonard you are right
20:10 oleonard Bam!
20:04 oleonard This is why we need sub-preferences. Turning off opacuserlogin could disable a bunch of stuff that doesn't make sense with it turned off (comments, tagging, etc)
20:02 oleonard [% IF ( opacuserlogin && reviewson && OpacShowRecentComments ) %]
20:01 oleonard You can't add comments from the staff client
20:01 jcamins_away Never mind then.
20:01 jcamins_away Ah.
20:01 jcamins_away You could add comments from the staff client, no?
19:59 cait but woulnd't you just turn off the comments view then?
19:59 oleonard ...that seems a fairly unlikely scenario
19:59 oleonard The only way it would work is if opacuserlogin was on for a while, then turned off
19:58 wizzyrea this is for sites with opacuserlogin is never allowed though, right
19:58 cait hm but you can look at the comments form others?
19:57 oleonard The "recent comments" link should be hidden too, right? Since comments cant be added if you're not logged in?
19:47 oleonard I think you're quite right
19:46 nengard i would think
19:46 nengard that's the easiest thing to do
19:46 nengard i say just hide the email button if that preference is set to don't allow
19:46 nengard sorry oleonard :)
19:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7636 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , error when trying to email cart when opacuserlogin set to don't allow
19:43 oleonard Oh, Bug 7636 looks like fun
19:36 sekjal okay, brb, getting coffee
19:32 sekjal jcamins++ schuster++
19:32 jcamins_away Even just a syspref would be an improvement.
19:32 jcamins_away Ooh, I like the idea of having the "Machine generated authority record" be translatable.
19:32 cait sekjal++
19:31 jcamins_away sekjal++ # for a herculean QA effort
19:31 wizzyrea ^.^
19:31 sekjal but getting those two knocked off the list would go a long way towards making me feel productive
19:31 jcamins_away Yippee!
19:30 wizzyrea :)
19:30 sekjal wizzyrea: going to need a short break before tackling QA on a second large feature
19:30 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7001 enhancement, P3, ---, srdjan, Signed Off , User Configurable Slips
19:30 * wizzyrea pokes bug 7001
19:30 wizzyrea woot!
19:30 cait woot!
19:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7284 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , Authority matching algorithm improvements
19:29 rangi Woot bug 7284
19:29 wizzyrea we are talking about the location that's in the item record, the one defined by authorized values.
19:29 wizzyrea no
19:29 wizzyrea ccode might make sense for the principal's collection.
19:28 Shane-S isn't libraries.branches, locations that same screen?
19:28 cait easier :)
19:28 wizzyrea jinx :)
19:28 wizzyrea or locations
19:28 cait perhaps usevlocations?
19:28 wizzyrea well you can do that with itypes or ccodes as well
19:28 Shane-S then I got to thinking, we could do that with DVDs as well, and each room can be a branch and people could search and know who has what DVD and "hold" it
19:27 Shane-S I wasn't even thinking of branches till the principal asked if her books could be stored and checked out with it as well
19:26 Shane-S so basically they just see all the books, and it just shows that branch having availability?
19:26 wizzyrea ooh, I knew I had done a lot but didn't realize it was *that* many
19:25 jcamins_away Shane-S: not easily.
19:24 Shane-S An administrator here loans out books, and she thought it would be great to have her own branch for "Staff" Patrons to reserve and checkout books
19:24 Shane-S Can I make a branch that can only see its own books and not the main libraries?
19:21 Shane-S I remember that somewhere..and wasn't sure what it was for...but now I see that is what you do as a normal patron...put items on hold so they are available for you when you arrive to check them out
19:20 Shane-S probably
19:20 jcamins_away Shane-S: if you meant "can't place a hold," the problem might be that you don't have circ rules configured.
19:18 Shane-S And though I have available item I can place a hold...so I am looking for that setting now
19:18 Shane-S Didn't look yet, my ADD kicked in and I wanted to populate my cart and see what I can do :P
19:17 oleonard Shane-S: Did you find it? The preference is called OpacPasswordChange
19:15 jcamins_away Well, except for the parts at the top of the island, which don't really count.
19:15 rangi My wife is at the Hilton somewhere near there too
19:15 jcamins_away oleonard: lol. Except that Manhattan really is tiny.
19:15 oleonard Just like everyone in NZ knows everyone else, right?
19:14 rangi Cool
19:14 jcamins_away Yeah, everthing in Manhattan is nearby, basicall.
19:13 jcamins_away Oh, there's the address.
19:13 rangi Showing an nz film tomorrow
19:12 rangi Near u?
19:12 rangi Jcamins: http://www.angelikafilmcenter.com/
19:11 rangi Heya chris_n
19:10 chris_n heya rangi
19:07 * jcamins_away suspects the number of sign-offs from him will be directly proportional to the amount of frustration the contractors cause..
19:06 sekjal I wonder how busy March and April will be...
19:06 * jcamins_away signed off more than twice as many bugs in February as in January.
19:06 rangi so thats all good
19:06 rangi actually total numbers are up too
19:05 rangi 2 days less in the month too
19:05 sekjal rangi: interesting
19:05 rangi 37 in jan, 47 in feb .. a good trend :)
19:03 rangi sekjal: yep, you actually did more in feb than jan
19:03 Shane-S Can I disable change your password for Patrons? Also, it was MS Excel that broke the CSV, OpenOffice healed it :P
19:02 sekjal rangi: glad to see I'm still doing a significant amount of the QA work
19:00 rangi http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2012/03/02/bug-statistics-for-february/
18:58 rangi III was the last one left
18:58 rangi they got sold to equity firms too
18:47 sekjal but we're Aleph now
18:47 sekjal well, my library's consortium *is* looking at looking at a new ILS in the next few years.... maybe
18:46 jcamins_away sekjal++ # that sounded like volunteering to me!
18:46 sekjal but ugh
18:46 sekjal it's doable
18:46 sekjal and librarians do all kinds of work arounds in III, so even a canonical mapping needs to be double-checked or completely redone if their workflows are adapted
18:45 sekjal jcamins_away: we'll need to do a lot of work on Koha Acquisitions first... the two structures just don't match up
18:44 jcamins_away :)
18:44 jcamins_away sekjal: we'll get it down to a science.
18:44 sekjal huzzah the bell tolls for III, but is that going to mean more III to Koha migrations? those are a bear
18:43 Shane-S hmm using the original template...and import_borrowers.pl isn't reading the header file of the .csv, anywhere I can look for more then the feedback?
18:40 rangi http://www.alatechsource.org/blog/2012/03/breaking-news-innovative-interfaces-joins-the-private-equity-club.html
18:40 rangi III just got sold to vulture capitalists
18:40 jcamins_away rangi: what?!?
18:39 rangi when you are bought by an equity company, thats your death warrant signed
18:39 rangi awesome III is dead
18:35 jcamins_away It was not any more broken for the last option than the current functionality.
18:34 jcamins_away :)
18:34 jcamins_away A mixture of LC, SZB-SW, local, other, and what-the-heck-do-you-call-that-oh-my-god-my-eyes.
18:34 sekjal I'll keep reading though the code, looking for possible edge cases and such
18:34 sekjal jcamins_away: cool
18:33 jcamins_away five different datasets.
18:33 jcamins_away sekjal: schuster tested it with a pretty large database, and I tested it with...
18:29 sekjal scanning the Perl for any obvious code-level issues
18:29 sekjal jcamins_away: if I was further along with my home cataloging project, I'd be able to put your code through much more of a wringer. Right now, though, I'm bib-less and auth-less
18:28 jcamins_away sekjal: my pleasure.
18:18 huginn bag: rhcl was last seen in #koha 5 weeks, 5 days, 22 hours, 36 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: <rhcl> I guess I'm not very territorial, and don't see a problem with occasional collaboration or comparison between projects.
18:18 bag @seen rhcl
18:08 * chris_n head off for a cold boot
18:05 sekjal jcamins: thanks for writing detailed documentation. it's daunting to take on, but once one is in it, it's nice to have a full and clear picture
17:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7284 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , Authority matching algorithm improvements
17:58 * jcamins_away should be back from there, but regardless, don't let my absence stop you from having fun with authorities and bug 7284. :)
17:57 jcamins Okay, time to head to my next client's.
17:54 * sekjal would love to see some happy academic librarians...
17:54 oleonard Hah, Marshall Breeding just retweeted a tweet that was quoting himself. Classy.
17:54 wizzyrea but 7001 is... oh bother.
17:54 jcamins wizzyrea: that's true, but 7284 is more fun.
17:53 wizzyrea there's also 7001 :P
17:53 nengard_lunch need report help with finding patrons without a specific attribute filed in ... anyone around to help? at http://paste.koha-community.org/286
17:52 jcamins You should totally do it. Just think how many happy academic libraries there will be. :)
17:50 jcamins Good news! You can! :D
17:50 sekjal jcamins: well, my afternoon meeting *was* cancelled
17:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7284 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , Authority matching algorithm improvements
17:49 jcamins sekjal! I bet you would *love* to QA bug 7284. :D
17:48 wahanui hey, sekjal
17:48 sekjal hi, wahanui
17:48 wahanui i think oleonard is the master UI designer of koha or an awesome bug wrangler
17:48 sekjal hey, oleonard
17:47 oleonard Hi sekjal
17:45 oleonard ?
17:45 mib_qsx0jn !list
17:39 jcamins Shane-S: I was under the impression it didn't work. You could try.
17:37 Shane-S I think it is already smart by that line
17:36 Shane-S hmmm... "OR choose which fields you want to supply from the following list:"
17:36 cait bye paul_p
17:35 paul_p bye #koha
17:34 paul_p another very busy week !
17:34 jcamins Shane-S: of course you *can* do it, but a script might be less trouble.
17:34 paul_p RM newsletter writen, will publish it tomorrow
17:34 Shane-S I might have to look at the import script, maybe I can modify it to be more "smart" and if a non-required column isn't included it NULLS the value for you.
17:34 * paul_p almost finished deploying the 10 sandboxes (7 done...)
17:33 Shane-S nah, I can do it. Just more time then sorting it down to the columns we will actually use
17:32 jcamins Shane-S: a script might be your best option.
17:32 Shane-S have to do it column by column
17:31 Shane-S hmm..that is a pain to "paste" data into
17:30 jcamins Shane-S: the format has to be *exactly* the same.
17:30 jcamins Shane-S: you cannot remove columns.
17:27 * oleonard remembers he was working on some tags stuff yesterday and wonders whether he should strap on the ole power loader...
17:24 Shane-S I will find out my answer the hard way then :P
17:23 * oleonard hasn't played around with it much
17:23 Shane-S I did, but I am cutting fields out, hoping it goes by the header "name" not the order
17:23 oleonard I assume so Shane-S. Did you download the starter CSV?
17:22 Shane-S does order matter for batch patron upload, ie, if I put "sex" on say column 2, versus 20 would it matter?
17:21 * oleonard wonders why Bugzilla doesn't have a theme that's all peach and teal
17:20 Shane-S okay, I will skip those then :P . Trying a batch patron upload, and working on the template
17:20 oleonard it doesn't work very well with American-style address output
17:19 oleonard I think it's mostly a French library thing Shane-S
17:19 Shane-S What are Street Number and Street Type for...I am not familiar with breaking them out of the "Address" field, but still having them present as well
17:17 jcamins lol
17:15 * wizzyrea laughs
17:15 oleonard And working with tags requires this: http://images.wikia.com/avp/images/9/95/Powerloader.jpg
17:10 wizzyrea truf.
17:06 jcamins wizzyrea: Search.pm requires a hazmat suit.
17:05 pastebot "nengard" at 98.114.30.184 pasted "need report help with finding patrons without a specific attribute filed in ... anyone around to help?" (9 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/286
17:03 wizzyrea and coffee.
17:03 wizzyrea doing anything in items.pm requires hipwaders.
17:03 wizzyrea I was just getting ready to look at items.pm, walked away for coffee and poof you have the answer. :)
17:02 wizzyrea oleonard++ thanks
17:01 wizzyrea aha.
17:00 * wizzyrea does not want any
16:59 * oleonard looks around for who else wants some
16:59 * oleonard gives Overdrive the finger for making him use IE in the first place
16:58 * oleonard give IE9 the finger for being a hot mess of usability nightmares
16:57 oleonard Must have been one of those late night unattended "urgent updates"
16:56 * oleonard gives Windows the finger...again
16:56 oleonard Oh crap, when did Windows update me to IE9 without asking?
16:54 oleonard wizzyrea: See line 1310 of Items.pm. It queries old_issues.
16:53 schuster Brooke - yes Tejas is getting warm! supposed to get up to 85 today!
16:49 wizzyrea hm, question, where is "previous borrower" kept in the db? Items? comes from old_issues?
16:41 kf ok, bye #koha
16:41 kf it was Brooke :)
16:41 wizzyrea that sounded like secret mafia talk.
16:39 huginn Brooke: The operation succeeded.
16:39 Brooke @later tell Oak drop me a line, it's getting hot in Tejas.
16:23 kf bye gaetan_B
16:23 gaetan_B bye !
16:23 reiveune bye
16:08 wizzyrea you should have rights to do that with your openid account
16:07 wizzyrea give it a try, and if you don't, I will give you that :)
16:07 slef Do I have power to just Add Page?
16:07 slef thanks!
16:07 wizzyrea sure, of course
16:06 slef wizzyrea: can I have a kohacon12 page on k-c.o that I can edit as needed? We'll set something else up later.
16:04 wizzyrea there are... 6-7 connectors that are being initially developed?
16:03 * wizzyrea could be wrong about that
16:03 wizzyrea by fulfillment
16:03 wizzyrea I think symphony is one of the first systems to have a connector built for it
16:03 alaquerre The hard part is that we will still need to ask Symphony to somehow use this connector... :-) I can do it easily on Koha and try it... But not with Symphony. If at some point I have the same kind of situation with Evergreen it will be possible... Thanks again for your help.
15:59 jcamins magnuse: I don't know. It's probably the best option for a "local" ILL facility, though.
15:56 magnuse but it's not ready for use yet, i think?
15:53 wahanui okay, oleonard.
15:53 oleonard FulfILLment is also an open source project designed to link library catalogs no matter which integrated library system his or her library uses
15:53 alaquerre Thanks!!
15:53 alaquerre Interresting! I'll have a look
15:52 oleonard FulfILLment is http://fulfillment-ill.org/
15:52 jcamins It's an open source ILL thing.
15:52 jcamins FulfILLment might be worth looking at.
15:52 jcamins Bah. wahanui doesn't know about fulfillment.
15:51 jcamins fulfillment?
15:51 alaquerre Exactly!
15:51 jcamins alaquerre: Inter-Library Loan.
15:51 alaquerre So that the city will be able to ask a document from the college. Just like site transfert in Koha but with another system.
15:50 alaquerre jcamins - Most important feature is PEB... dont know how to say that in english... "Custom Hold "
15:49 wahanui the first question is probably "What are you trying to do?"
15:49 wizzyrea the first question?
15:48 jcamins alaquerre: you could use Z39.50, possibly, but what is it you're trying to do?
15:47 kf only didn't want to go the wrong way
15:47 kf I have no problem with that
15:47 kf magnuse: yep, I think order_manage it is then :)
15:47 magnuse wizzyrea, kf: sounds like the safest thing is to restrict access then?
15:46 alaquerre Hi All, Is there a way to exchange information between Koha and Symphony ( SirsiDynix ). Basically, we have a city where the city Library is with Symphony and the college would like to implement Koha and still have access to the documents of the city and vice versa. Is there some kind of bridge for that ?
15:46 wizzyrea people get awfully weird when it comes to money
15:46 magnuse btw: looks like my problem with the line endings was caused by me setting core.autocrlf=true instead of core.autocrlf=input
15:46 wizzyrea kf I'm really torn about that one - I just don't know what people want in regards to letting less-privileged users view stuff about money.
15:45 magnuse lol
15:45 wizzyrea hehe
15:45 oleonard MY OPINION VALIDATED. VOTING CLOSED.
15:44 oleonard Great, that's what I thought too.
15:44 jcamins Third.
15:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7602 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Failed QA , Spent and Ordered pages require full acquisition permissions
15:44 wizzyrea MMFV35ZOC
15:44 kf quick poll for bug 7602 ?
15:43 kf third :)
15:43 oleonard or this? http://screencast.com/t/MMfV35ZOC
15:43 kf yes
15:43 oleonard Better like this? http://screencast.com/t/6nIjESEl
15:43 oleonard I have a poll for you all. Here's where the patron image on self checkout is now: http://screencast.com/t/4qbm3F84HvC
15:43 wizzyrea for transferslip
15:43 wizzyrea oh there's a followup
15:42 jcamins Wasn't it signed off on already?
15:42 wizzyrea needs signoff! blarg.
15:42 wizzyrea as people are adding things right and left to notices >.<
15:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7001 enhancement, P3, ---, srdjan, Needs Signoff , User Configurable Slips
15:42 * wizzyrea hopes and hopes for bug 7001 to go through qa soon
15:41 wizzyrea yea
15:41 magnuse wassat? the voice message thing?
15:41 wizzyrea oy wow that's gonna be fun to test.
15:40 wizzyrea ooo proper iTiva support
15:30 kf :(
15:28 wizzyrea and then it stops working altogether
15:28 wizzyrea and obsessively tries to reconnect until you run out of spare servers
15:27 wizzyrea it hangs up it's connection with the server, afaict
15:27 kf thought you said the self check died
15:27 kf ah
15:27 wizzyrea "the self check doesn't work right" because "the sip server is dying"
15:27 wizzyrea oh, but the symptom of the two things is essentially the same
15:19 kf see if others had similar problems
15:19 kf I think documenting would be good
15:18 kf perhaps file a bug report?
15:18 kf for us it was the sipserver dying - not the self check
15:16 wizzyrea because there is always a sipserver to (re)connect to
15:16 wizzyrea we don't see the actual *problem*
15:16 wizzyrea but I think because we have a high min spare and/or because we have a cron that checks for too many SIP processes and restarts the sipserver when it reaches a threshold
15:15 wizzyrea with the new ones, we see this weird behavior
15:15 wizzyrea we just got an update to our 3M machines, and an update to our Koha - with the old ones, it was no problem
15:14 wizzyrea traced it back to the \r
15:14 wizzyrea we changed it -> colin started having trouble with timeouts
15:13 wizzyrea info's in the comments
15:13 wizzyrea yep
15:13 kf hm right number?
15:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5586 normal, P3, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , SIP line-endings should use proper SPEC-compliant \r
15:13 wizzyrea that colin was talking about on bug 5586
15:12 wizzyrea I think what you're seeing is the timeout problem.
15:11 kf last library we have to update
15:11 kf paul_p: this library is using a german vendor - but we have another with 3m that is waitin gfor the update
15:11 paul_p kf we looked at 3M parameters, and haven't found anything about that. But the library said they'll ask 3M
15:11 wizzyrea because it doesn't reach the limit of sip servers
15:11 kf but seems stable now
15:11 kf we want to change it back sometime, testing if that really was the problem
15:10 wizzyrea right, and you know what I bet that helped
15:10 kf or whatever this is called, I told uli and he did... and now it's still alive
15:10 kf rangi recommended changing the settings for min spare
15:10 paul_p yes, very weird. And not specific to this customer, as frederic told me he had the same problem
15:10 kf yes
15:10 wizzyrea kf weren't you talking about something like that a week or so ago?
15:10 kf we had problems with the sip server (it died sometimes) but now it seems ok
15:10 kf it seems to work
15:10 kf weird!
15:10 kf uh
15:10 paul_p with the patch : present borrower card / immediate OK / present book 1 / OK, checked out / present book / OK checked out
15:09 wizzyrea ! that's alarming.
15:09 paul_p wizzyrea without the patch = present a borrower card / wait 10 seconds minimum / message OK / present book 1 / "can't be checked-out" / present book 1 / message "ok, checked out / present book 2 / "can't be checked-out" / present book 2 / message "ok, checked out" /...
15:09 wizzyrea ending up with a zillion hung SIP processes.
15:09 wizzyrea they connect then time out then reconnect and time out and the SIP services never terminate at the server side.
15:08 kf we updated a library last week :)
15:08 kf wizzyrea: what is the behaviour?
15:08 wizzyrea we have a site that just upgraded their self check machines, and have noticed rather odd behaviour out of them, but they are not *broken*
15:08 * oleonard notices Bug 7629 needs signoff, how interesting...
15:07 wizzyrea there
15:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7619 blocker, P2, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , 3M self checkout don't work in France
15:07 wizzyrea bug 7619
15:07 wizzyrea sec
15:07 wizzyrea no, wrong lol
15:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7629 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Update sco.css to include CSS Gradients and prevent error upon missing background image file.
15:07 wizzyrea re: bug 7629, what was your symptom?
15:07 paul_p wizzyrea yep (writing RM newsletter #4)
15:07 wizzyrea paul_p - about?
15:04 magnuse kf++
15:04 kf I really not sure what's best, but will make it work like people suggest it shoudl :)
15:04 magnuse wizzyrea: :-)
15:04 kf only not limiting to a special permission one of them is enough
15:03 kf it still assumes you have general access to the module
15:03 kf so looking for opinions
15:03 wizzyrea and I know people are titchy about money
15:03 wizzyrea we don't use acquisitions
15:03 kf I am torn
15:03 wizzyrea but then again
15:02 wizzyrea kf: I think I'm with you - if you can't change it, what's the harm in viewing it?
15:01 wizzyrea I guessed for the website
15:01 wizzyrea is there a page you wanted to have be the landing page for kohacon2012
15:01 kf wizzyrea: please *smiles nicely*
15:01 wizzyrea oh, slef
15:00 wizzyrea :)
15:00 wizzyrea just kidding
15:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7602 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Failed QA , Spent and Ordered pages require full acquisition permissions
15:00 kf can I get some opinions on bug 7602?
15:00 * wizzyrea scolds magnuse for using unclean windows tools
15:00 kf hi all
14:43 slef magnus_afk broke his own vm somehow
14:43 magnus_afk i did a git pull, but that said i was already uptodate, so the changes did not come from there
14:43 slef oleonard: thanks. All's OK then :)
14:42 oleonard I get opac/opac-search.pl: a /usr/bin/perl script text executable
14:42 oleonard slef: file opac/opac-search.pl ?
14:41 slef magnus_afk: can you check a current clone of the head? I'd hate it if that's come from git.k-c.o
14:40 * marcelr leaves the room
14:39 marcelr mostly reindentation :-)
14:39 oleonard Seems to be. I get the correct response now
14:38 wahanui looks like it is a replicate of /usr/share/koha/misc
14:38 marcelr looks like it
14:37 oleonard I wonder if it's a typo for CanBookBeIssued?
14:37 oleonard http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2041f2c973ad7782b6ebbc0fe215c7b3036c166d#patch6
14:36 marcelr me too
14:35 oleonard I find no other references to "CanBookBeIssuedCheckout" other than that one in sco-main.pl
14:35 marcelr kf++ for being faster
14:34 marcelr oleonard: please check if it is moved by the Denesting packages report?
14:34 kf denesting strikes again?
14:34 kf oh
14:33 oleonard Undefined subroutine &main::CanBookBeIssuedCheckout called at /home/oleonard/kohaclone/opac/sco/sco-main.pl line 135.
14:32 kf marcelr++ slef++ koha++
14:32 magnus_afk :-)
14:28 marcelr keep doing so !
14:28 magnus_afk as far as i can remember i just started it up and did normal things
14:28 magnus_afk as to why it happened, i have no clue! it's on a vm that only i use
14:27 marcelr great
14:26 magnus_afk it would have taken me the rest of the day to figure that out!
14:26 magnus_afk marcelr++
14:26 magnus_afk slef++
14:26 magnus_afk dos2unix opac/opac-search.pl fixed it!
14:25 marcelr ;)
14:24 slef palliative care FTL!
14:24 slef I had one site, years ago, where someone kept breaking scripts and refused to fix or change their tools, so I actually made a "perl\015" symlink to perl :-/
14:23 marcelr ?
14:23 slef marcelr: I was thinking tofrodos
14:23 * magnus_afk shudders at the thought of unclean windows-tools
14:23 marcelr dos2unix?
14:22 slef or use fromdos if you have it installed
14:22 slef open it in an editor that handles both DOS and Unix encodings and change it back to Unix
14:22 slef probably someone been editing it from Windows with an unclean tool?
14:22 marcelr magnus: save changes and git reset?
14:22 slef you've got a file encoding problem
14:21 magnus_afk \015 ?
14:21 slef yay!
14:21 magnus_afk opac/opac-search.pl: a /usr/bin/perl\015 script text executable
14:21 magnus_afk $ file opac/opac-search.pl
14:21 slef try: file opac-search.pl
14:21 magnus_afk nope
14:20 slef git diff doesn't suggest anything unusual changed about it?
14:20 magnus_afk but not opac-authorities-home.pl
14:20 magnus_afk opac-search.pl and opac-user.pl give errors
14:19 magnus_afk other pages in the opac work fine
14:19 magnus_afk me too ;-)
14:19 slef I'm curious as to what the problem is :)
14:19 slef If yes to both, can it run a simple helloworld.pl from /home/magnus/kohaclone/opac/ ?
14:18 slef well, that's an odd one. Can it run any CGI scripts? Any perl CGI scripts?
14:17 slef that was looking for a fourth possibility: could be missing o+rx on a parent folder, most likely /home/magnus
14:17 magnus_afk yup: -rwxr-xr-x 1 magnus magnus 32144 1 mars 14:58 /home/magnus/kohaclone/opac/opac-search.pl
14:17 slef can you: sudo -u www-data ls -l /home/magnus/kohaclone/opac/opac-search.pl ?
14:16 slef ah I knpw
14:16 slef possible third problem is that the apache configuration is misdirecting it somehow (handlers, suexec, or something else) but the error seems a bit confusing
14:16 magnus_afk /usr/bin/perl
14:16 magnus_afk $ which perl
14:15 slef I'm thinking of two possibilities: whatever fs that is on is mounted noexec, or the perl isn't where the first line of opac-search.pl says
14:15 magnus_afk no output?
14:14 slef magnus_afk: mount | grep home ?
14:13 magnus_afk -rwxr-xr-x 1 magnus magnus 32144 1 mars 14:58 /home/magnus/kohaclone/opac/opac-search.pl
14:13 magnus_afk but $ ls -l /home/magnus/kohaclone/opac/opac-search.pl
14:13 magnus_afk /var/log/apache2/error.log says No such file or directory: exec of '/home/magnus/kohaclone/opac/opac-search.pl' failed
14:12 kf magnus_afk: ouch!
14:10 marcelr ay
14:07 magnus_afk huh, suddenly my dev install gives a 500 error and the logs say "Premature end of script headers". weirdness!
14:04 kivilahtio with no way to control how many eBooks can be concurrently loaned, we will run out of budget in a flash
14:04 oleonard I don't know the numbers because I don't handle the money. We're part of a consortium of libraries and we are obligated to spend a certain amount of money each year
14:04 kivilahtio oleonard: the eBook services for us are ridiculously expensive
14:03 kivilahtio oleonard: out of curiosity? how much does this service cost?
14:03 kivilahtio oleonard: makes our job much easier
14:03 kivilahtio oleonard: ok, that's good to hear
14:02 oleonard kivilahtio: We don't. the DRM is handled by the service we subscribe to.
14:02 kivilahtio how do you control that patrons delete eMaterial after the loan period expires?
14:00 kf kivilahtio: you will have to ask oleonard how he did that :)
13:59 kf nice links :)
13:59 oleonard http://search.myacpl.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=kw&idx=kw&idx=kw&limit=mc-ccode%3ADNLD&sort_by=relevance&do=Search
13:58 oleonard kivilahtio: We have MARC records for ebooks and use the 856u field to point to the URL
13:58 kivilahtio how does Koha deal with eBooks for ex.?
13:57 kivilahtio do you have electronic material?
13:47 marcelr :s
13:47 marcelr :o
13:46 marcelr forget the smilies
13:46 marcelr ?
13:46 julian_m ok
13:46 marcelr unconfined_u:object_r:httpd_sys_script_exec_t:s0
13:46 marcelr script in a new folder did not have the right label for a perl script
13:45 julian_m just by curiosity marcelr, why selinux was 'blocking' this script?
13:44 * marcelr thinks that security is a great thing, except when forgetting your keys
13:44 marcelr julian_m: we found it; the item box is doing something now; will look at it again; thx
13:39 marcelr yes
13:39 kf marcelr: in the koha logs?
13:39 marcelr from selinux
13:39 marcelr security stuff
13:39 marcelr yes i was looking already
13:36 julian_m [HTTP/1.1 500 Internal Server Error 1279ms]" itemrecorddisplay.pl is the script that retrieves the item form. If something fails here, there should be something in logs. Could you check when you have a moment?
13:36 julian_m marcelr, at the end of your error messages, i see this "http://libdevelop.rijksmuseum.nl:8009/cgi-bin/koha/services/itemrecorddisplay.pl?frameworkcode=ACQ
13:36 mbalmer that's mveron and brigitte bruederlin
13:35 * magnus_afk waves at the swiss meeting
13:35 kf hi mbalmer and members of the swiss meeting
13:35 marcelr hi mbalmer
13:35 mbalmer good afternoon from the swiss meeting ;)
13:35 kf phew
13:35 marcelr :-)
13:34 marcelr in this case good
13:34 kf is boom good or bad?
13:34 marcelr boom
13:33 kf marcelr: reading my own comment it does not make much sense.. glad you understood anyway :)
13:32 kf very cool - thank you :)
13:32 marcelr kf: will let it pass qa
13:30 kf :)
13:30 * marcelr starts to understand it ;)
13:29 kf and if they want, they can add an individual note too (that's already there), like: CD is in the office of ...
13:29 kf like: please keep the issue only for 2 days max before giving it to the next person on list
13:28 kf no, but each library can have a default note
13:28 marcelr kf: would you be changing the note regularly then?
13:27 kf I meant hope my comment on 7557 makes sense :)
13:27 marcelr reading it
13:27 kf hm?
13:26 marcelr understood that?
13:26 marcelr hi kf
13:26 kf hope you can follow
13:26 marcelr selinux
13:26 kf marcelr: :)
13:26 marcelr julian_m: got another idea, checking some security things on linux now
13:26 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7557 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Failed QA , Change hardcoded routing list note into a system preference
13:26 kf marcelr: commented bug 7557
13:24 marcelr submitting nice comment on 7178 :-)
13:22 jcamins I think other people are using Windows 7 too, though, so I have no idea what the problem could be.
13:22 magnus_afk hehe
13:22 marcelr yes
13:22 jcamins lol
13:22 wahanui windows 7 is starting to tick me off
13:22 marcelr windows 7
13:20 jcamins What OS are you on?
13:19 marcelr yeah
13:19 jcamins Well, browser-related problems.
13:19 jcamins marcelr: oh, no, I guess it wasn't javascript.
13:18 marcelr 9.0.1
13:18 marcelr was that javascript?
13:18 jcamins What version of FF are you using?
13:18 jcamins There was that bug in cataloging that I couldn't duplicate.
13:18 jcamins marcelr: you've had other instances of javascript problems.
13:18 marcelr in both cases lots of warnings
13:17 marcelr not all message are the same
13:17 julian_m marcelr, firefox 10 (french)
13:17 julian_m marcelr, without the patch do you get the same error messages?
13:16 marcelr or another browser?
13:15 marcelr julian: do you test with english or french firefox?
13:14 marcelr dutch firefox though??
13:13 marcelr no special yui too
13:12 * jcamins is out of ideas, then.
13:12 julian_m marcelr, any special version of yui libraries maybe? :)
13:12 marcelr no
13:12 jcamins marcelr: do you have any custom javascript in intranetuserjs?
13:12 julian_m marcelr, ok, it seems that some javascript fails and so the piece of js that should load the item form is not executed. don't know what to do since i do not reproduce
13:12 marcelr julian_m: if i repeat on current master, i also have lots of warnings but they are not all the same (!)
13:09 marcelr from skin and staff-global mostly
13:09 marcelr yes one refresh there generates tens of warnings
13:08 julian_m marcelr, still talking about neworderempty o_ô ? I never seen these messages before... :-/
13:06 marcelr all coming from yui/skin
13:06 marcelr all coming from yui/skon
13:06 marcelr same for Xposition
13:05 marcelr Unknown property zoom
13:05 marcelr oops dutch
13:05 marcelr Waarschuwing: Onbekende eigenschap ‘zoom’. Declaratie genegeerd.
13:05 marcelr lots of errors there
13:03 marcelr no but will look
13:03 julian_m marcelr, yes, that is the problem, did you see any javascript errors (with firebug or other) ?
13:01 marcelr see jpg
13:01 marcelr julian_m: but cannot add items too
13:00 slef kf: nice one
13:00 slef jcamins: it'll do as an example
13:00 julian_m marcelr, the quantity is automatically incremented as you add items. This behaviour is not different from master, right? (the difference is that on master quantity start at 1 instead of 0)
12:59 kf hfjs.bsz-bw.de ?
12:59 jcamins Well, this one is... not awful, maybe: http://donum.numismatics.org/
12:58 jcamins Ah.
12:58 slef I'm looking for a nice logo in the usual logo position (sorry for not qualifying it)
12:58 kf slef: I think most libraries use prog, others don't work well, it's all css and js
12:57 slef ACPL bust their logo out of the usual logo position (opacCss maybe)
12:57 jcamins slef: I think I'm missing something about what you're looking for.
12:57 jcamins oleonard uses prog.
12:57 kf julian_m, marcelr: I think that is right
12:57 slef I'd like one that is using prog templates if possible, to give a small library an idea
12:57 marcelr julian: it is the combination of 0 + readonly?
12:56 jcamins slef: right.
12:56 jcamins ACPL is Athens County Public library.
12:56 slef jcamins: myacpl.org ?
12:56 julian_m marcelr, I don't think readonly is your problem, this is the normal behaviour. The problem is that you don't see the form and therefore can't add items
12:56 wahanui slef: no idea
12:56 slef wahanui: ACPL?
12:56 jcamins It's very popular in India.
12:56 kf ^^
12:56 jcamins slef: ACPL?
12:56 slef any suggestions for who's got a nice library logo on their koha?
12:54 marcelr julian: your patch introduces that line
12:54 kf sure it can be fixed and then it will be awesome
12:54 kf successful qa - found what I missed :)
12:53 kf marcelr++
12:53 marcelr that is the problem
12:53 marcelr about template neworderempty
12:53 marcelr julian: added a comment
12:52 julian_m marcelr, tested just now, freshly rebased on master, I reproduce your problem, but when I hit ctrl-F5, the form appears :-/
12:52 kf jcamins: that is a good idea
12:51 marcelr it does not work
12:51 marcelr well working..
12:51 marcelr 7178 currently
12:51 marcelr not now
12:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7609 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Improving links to find analytics and volumes when using UseControlnumber
12:51 jcamins marcelr: are you working on bug 7609?
12:50 jcamins 7609.
12:50 * jcamins looks to see if there's anything to sign off on this morning as he tries to wake up.
12:48 marcelr see 7178 uploaded a screenshot
12:48 julian_m marcelr, i want to be sure to understand, does the item form show up once, and disappear after clicking on save, or just never shows up?
12:46 kf I thought it was because of that, so didn't note as a bug
12:46 kf and after that it worked
12:46 marcelr did some refreshes just now
12:46 kf that the item form didn't showup
12:46 kf marcelr: did you just start testing? I had it happen to me once while testing, but after F5+ctrl it worked
12:46 marcelr no item block to see
12:46 marcelr cannot do it
12:46 kf you have always to add at least 1 item
12:46 kf misunderstood the question then
12:46 kf sorry
12:46 kf oh
12:46 marcelr it is 0 and readonly
12:45 kf marcelr: you can never order less than 1
12:45 julian_m marcelr, ok.. :(
12:45 marcelr no change.
12:44 marcelr try
12:44 julian_m marcelr, be sure to refresh entirely the page (.js included), with firefox I had some problems until I press <Ctrl>-F5
12:43 marcelr yes
12:43 julian_m marcelr, with acqcreateitem='ordering' ?
12:43 marcelr the item block is completely empty
12:42 marcelr julian_m: with your patch, i cannot edit quantity while it is zero; so i cannot save and i am stuck at neworderempty..
12:37 marcelr well ok
12:35 kf on the receive
12:35 kf marcelr: yes, when creating on receive, it's like that too :)
12:35 kf marcelr: it's a request from big libraries to change it - but it's like that now and after the patch, so I think it should not fail qa for not fixing another bug
12:35 marcelr though that it also was so with receiving? will check that
12:35 kf marcelr: you can only fill in quantity manually when creating items in cataloging or on receive
12:35 marcelr so can only order one there now
12:35 julian_m marcelr, not sure of what you are talking about, when acqcreateitem='ordering' you create items in neworderempty.pl so quantity is automatically increased when you create new items
12:34 kf only staying the same
12:34 kf but it's not regressing
12:34 kf marcelr: there is an enh request
12:34 kf marcelr: yes,when you have it on order it is
12:34 marcelr julian_m: understand my problem?
12:33 marcelr see the problem report..
12:33 marcelr hi kf
12:33 marcelr we normally use cateloging there
12:32 kf marcelr: sorry, was at lunch
12:32 marcelr with acqcreateitem=ordering
12:32 marcelr seems to be so in current master too
12:32 marcelr my quantity on neworderempty is always readonly?
12:31 marcelr hi julian: question about 7178
12:31 julian_m marcelr, yes
12:31 marcelr julian_m around ?
12:23 jcamins Ooh! I can get auto insurance for $12/month! What a deal! Until you consider that it costs an infinite amount per car, anyway.
12:18 * mveron Has to leave for the weekly Koha meeting
12:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7628 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , Required format is not enforced for Patron Categories
12:15 mveron bug 7628
11:54 mveron Thanks, magnus :-)
11:51 magnus_afk mveron++
11:51 mveron kf: Patron categores: I changed the JavaScript, it first makes a trim, then if not empty checks for allowed characters. Works. Will file a bug.
11:50 jcamins Sounds about right.
11:50 jcamins lol
11:49 marcelr Huge Problems
11:47 jcamins Platform... HP?
11:46 jcamins :)
11:45 marcelr :-)
11:45 marcelr yes finally
11:45 jcamins marcelr: it was a little confusing, but I think you were saying you like the description "Authority matching algorithm improvements"?
11:43 marcelr hope so
11:43 marcelr was that english?
11:43 jcamins Good morning, magnus_afk.
11:42 marcelr jcamins++ for the name of 7284 at first only
11:41 magnus_afk good morning jcamins_away :-)
11:41 marcelr yes that is the problem..
11:40 jcamins_away marcelr: you know you want to. :)
11:40 marcelr :-) i guess so
11:39 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7284 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , Authority matching algorithm improvements
11:39 jcamins_away marcelr: you know what would be fun to QA? bug 7284!
11:38 Amit_Gupta http://box2dflash.sourceforge.net/
11:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7178 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Signed Off , Improve order item creation
11:29 marcelr QAing bug 7178
11:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6440 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Koha's OAI-PMH does not support sets
11:21 * magnus_afk tries to sign off bug 6440
11:14 marcelr we'll see
11:14 paul_p to do before. Then back to QA/pushing
11:14 paul_p but I've the RM monthly newsletter to write and some mail for inviting more ppl to the hackfest (some french librarians)
11:14 marcelr fine
11:14 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7310 normal, P3, ---, m.de.rooy, Signed Off , Improving permissions on lists (virtual shelves)
11:14 paul_p yep, it's on my list
11:14 marcelr bug 7310
11:13 marcelr paul_p: could you take a look at 7310 again too?
11:13 paul_p right, perfect then !
11:13 marcelr paul_p: 7379 is such
11:13 paul_p (there should be 4 or 5)
11:13 paul_p marcelr could you favor biblibre patches for QA, because I plan to QA non-biblibre patches this afternoon (or more probable, tomorrow)
11:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7379 normal, P3, ---, adrien.saurat, Signed Off , copynumber is displayed 'as is' when linked to autorised values
11:12 marcelr Qaing bug 7379
11:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5877 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, paul.poulain, Passed QA , Offline circulation improvements : upload all files, apply at once
11:12 paul_p marcelr++ (for QAed bug 5877)
11:05 marcelr no kf?
11:04 marcelr ;)
11:04 wahanui peachy
11:04 marcelr how are you, wahanui?
11:03 wahanui rumour has it kf is cait or really, really sweet. or <reply>she gives me memory loss or a holds expert
11:03 marcelr kf?
10:55 kf cool :)
10:54 julian_m kf the error message you wrote was sufficient to fix the warning ;)
10:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7557 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Signed Off , Change hardcoded routing list note into a system preference
10:54 marcelr QAing bug 7557
10:52 kf julian_m: I was traveeling and forgot to retest - glad you were able to fix the warning and xhtml
10:52 julian_m :)
10:50 mveron kf: No, not a blocker, just a little bit nasty. JavaScript check would be fine.
10:48 * mveron Back from phone
10:48 kf mveron: hope that's nto a blocker ;) would say it's partly training. Codes are Codes - be careful with spaces too
10:47 kf julian_m++
10:47 kf and the xhtml
10:47 kf :)
10:47 kf ah, and Julian fixed the warning
10:46 kf let's see :)
10:46 kf ooh
10:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7169 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Change booksellers search results display
10:45 paul_p julian_m++ (for bug 7169 follow-up, that will please kf )
10:39 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7013 normal, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, adrien.saurat, In Discussion , required format is not enforced for authorized values
10:39 kf bug 7013
10:39 kf mveron: for authorized values - I think you could look at that bug and code to figure something out
10:39 kf mveron: there was some discussion about a javascript check
10:38 * mveron Phone call
10:38 marcelr mveron: will you make a patch?
10:37 mveron kf: I know, but our librarians did not and comlained :-)
10:37 kf marcelr: guessing words - but not really reading :)
10:37 kf mveron: safe :)
10:37 kf mveron: we tend to use only capital letters and numbers
10:37 marcelr so be careful
10:37 mveron Leuk...
10:37 marcelr kf can read dutch too, i suppose
10:36 kf mveron: I would always be careful using alphanumeric values in codes
10:36 kf :)
10:35 marcelr ok
10:35 mveron Allschwil vlakbij Basel
10:35 marcelr en waar ben je nu?
10:34 mveron Ik studeerde Neerlandistiek in Utrecht, het is heel lang geleden...
10:34 marcelr jazeker
10:34 mveron Spreek jeNederlands? :-)
10:34 marcelr beijing
10:34 marcelr at least in dutch
10:33 marcelr peking is in china
10:33 mveron Speaking.. Should put my glasses :-)
10:33 marcelr talking
10:33 mveron peking..
10:33 mveron marcelr: Seking about my little bug?
10:33 mveron Hello kf
10:33 marcelr sounds like a good catch!
10:33 mveron You have to emove it using sql
10:32 mveron If you use the + sign in the category code, like +TEST you can not edit or delete the category.
10:32 kf hello again
10:32 paul_p !!!
10:32 paul_p marcelr++
10:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5877 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, paul.poulain, Signed Off , Offline circulation improvements : upload all files, apply at once
10:32 paul_p bug 5877
10:31 mveron We stubled over a nasty little bug in Patron Categories.
10:30 marcelr hi mveron
10:30 mveron Hi everybody at #koha
10:30 marcelr QAing 5877
10:30 marcelr hi paul_p
10:29 paul_p hello everybody
09:12 magnus_afk hiya kf slef kivilahtio
09:08 kivilahtio guten morgen
09:08 slef morning kf and #koha
09:04 kf #koha
09:04 kf hi
08:05 huginn magnus_afk: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 3.1°C (8:59 AM CET on March 01, 2012). Conditions: Fog. Humidity: 98%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.26 in 1024.6 hPa (Steady).
08:05 magnus_afk @wunder konstanz
08:05 magnus_afk heh!
08:05 magnus_afk gah
08:05 huginn magnus_afk: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 6.0°C (8:30 AM CET on March 01, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Rising).
08:05 magnus_afk @wunder marseille
08:05 marcelr @
08:04 magnus_afk wunder marseille
08:04 magnus_afk yay!!
08:04 huginn magnus_afk: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 7.0°C (8:50 AM CET on March 01, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.36 in 994 hPa (Steady).
08:04 magnus_afk @wunder boo
08:04 magnus_afk s/amd/and/
08:04 magnus_afk kia ora #koha amd marcelr
08:04 marcelr hi magnus_afk
08:04 marcelr hello gaetan_B
08:03 gaetan_B hello #koha!
07:57 halfie cait: do I need a cron job for sending an email when somebody puts a book on hold?
07:48 julian_m hi cait
07:48 cait halfie: and glad it worked :)
07:48 cait hi julian_m
07:48 cait halfie: I think it uses the time on your server/locale
07:47 julian_m hi marcelr
07:46 marcelr hi julian_m
07:44 wahanui privet, julian_m
07:44 julian_m hi
07:42 marcelr hi reiveune
07:41 reiveune hello
07:41 halfie Can I configure Koha to show local time instead of UTC?
07:41 halfie cait: after restarting postfix email notifcations are working :). thanks for all the help.
07:33 cait sounds good :)
07:33 halfie cait:I am checking the logs now. that fiels is already set to send. I am clearing the logs and creating a new user for debugging.
07:30 cait that should be set to send
07:30 cait AutoEmailOpacUser is the one to look at
07:30 cait running out of ideas :(
07:30 cait hm sorry
07:25 halfie cait: yes, I have set email in system preferences. I also crated a new user with username and password set but didn't receive an email.
07:24 cait halfie: I guess you have activated the system preference?
07:23 cait halfie: perhaps it was username and password... I remember it would not send out the mails when editing the patron after its first creation
07:23 halfie cait: yes 3.6.3
07:23 marcelr hi cait :-)
07:23 cait :)
07:23 cait good morning marcelr
07:23 cait halfie: I can try and test perhaps when at work
07:22 cait halfie: the latest version - 3.6.3? right?
07:22 marcelr hello koha
07:22 halfie cait: I created a user with email and password set but the new user still didn't receive an email. trying to debug ..
07:17 cait there is a sample notice that comes with Koha - but you have to select them during installation I think
07:16 cait the notice should be in module members and named ACCTDETAILS
07:16 halfie cait: cool, trying it out
07:15 cait I have tested that a while ago - hope it still behaves like that
07:15 cait the message will only be sent out, if you add a password on creation of the user
07:15 cait and also
07:15 cait do you have a notice set up under tools > notices?
07:15 cait no cronjobs required here
07:15 cait because they circumvent the message_queue
07:14 cait those are a special case
07:14 cait hmm
07:14 halfie cait: user (patron) creation mails. I was trying to inform users when their accounts are created.
07:14 cait and you said you already have postfix - so should not be hard :)
07:13 cait you only miss a little bit of configuration for the mails
07:13 cait having the rebuild_zebra is good
07:13 cait what kind of mails were you trying to send?
07:13 cait ah
07:12 halfie okay, I followed http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Ubuntu and currently, I only have a single rebuild_zebra.pl job in cron.
07:11 wahanui documentation is probably at http://koha-community.org/documentation/
07:11 cait documentation?
07:11 cait it's in the documentation I think
07:11 cait for date due and reminder mails the advance_notices cronjob
07:11 cait for generating overdue mails you need the overdues cronjob
07:10 cait koha writes the mail into a database table message_queue and will send them out when the cronjob process_message_queue (might have a typo here) is run
07:10 cait for most mails
07:10 cait have you set up the cronjobs for koha?
07:10 cait there are debian packages and the koha-email-enable script is for those
07:09 cait then you are not using the packages
07:09 cait halfie: ah ok
07:09 halfie cait: I used source distribution and did "make install". source distribution implies koha-latest.tar.gz tarball distribution.
07:08 cait I am not sure what source distribution menas - did you use the koha-common packages?
07:08 cait and if you used the packages the instancename will be the name of the koha installation you want to activate mails for
07:08 halfie cait: I installed Koha from source distribution. I already have postfix working on the system.
07:08 cait you have to set up an mta on your system that koha can use
07:07 cait halfie: you have installed koha using the packages?
07:04 halfie hi, how do I enable sending emails in Koha? ./koha-email-enable script for an "instancename" which I don't know about.
06:33 cait hi Amit_Gupta
06:33 Amit_Gupta heya cait
05:55 cait hi #koha :)
05:36 bag heya Amit_Gupta
03:49 Amit_Gupta heya bag
03:49 Amit_Gupta heya bg
02:39 Judit1 http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/news/library-trademark-battle-heats-up
02:38 Judit1 hi- again
01:37 Space_Librarian hey
01:35 Judit2 hi
01:19 eternalsword recent changes to sco has caused a hiccup. see https://github.com/eternalsword/koha/compare/selfcheckout