Time  Nick              Message
00:21 Space_Librarian   mmm.... chocolate truffles
00:22 jcamins           Fudge. :)
00:22 Space_Librarian   Yeah. But, in a pinch...
00:22 jcamins           Chocolate truffles are good too.
00:22 jcamins           I was just enjoying the fudge, since I don't have truffles.
00:23 bag               bug 7144
00:23 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7144 enhancement, P3, ---, srdjan, Passed QA , Floating collection
00:26 Space_Librarian   jcamins I'll have a truffle for you, you have some fudge for me.
00:26 jcamins           Space_Librarian: sounds good. :)
00:26 Space_Librarian   deal
00:30 Space_Librarian   Oh yes, this is quite funny... until it's taken down. http://nowhiring.com.au/424936+job+Prime+Minister+of+Australia+ACT.aspx
00:44 troublemaker      hey guys
00:44 troublemaker      sup
00:44 eythian           http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/6467114/Heavy-rains-wind-pound-country <-- Space_Librarian, the second photo
00:45 troublemaker      is there anyway to modify the size of the login form in koha, (staff interface)
00:45 troublemaker      ?
00:45 eythian           troublemaker: you might be able to add some css rules to do it.
00:45 troublemaker      okidoks
00:45 troublemaker      where i should edit those?
00:45 troublemaker      whats the path man
00:46 troublemaker      im trying to edit this login box http://universidadinsurgentesdemo.bibliomethods.com:666/
00:46 troublemaker      i need to see the full image...
00:46 eythian           troublemaker: you can change stuff like that in the "staff client" sysprefs.
00:47 eythian           Lets you add all kinds of bits of styling
00:47 eythian           and js etc.
00:47 jcamins           oleonard's blog?
00:47 wahanui           oleonard's blog is http://www.myacpl.org/koha
00:47 jcamins           troublemaker: take a look at that.
01:02 Space_Librarian   eythian: I miss the days of the Leith flooding the Arts building.
01:02 eythian           heh yeah
01:06 troublemaker      yeahhh
01:07 troublemaker      thanx for your helo again got it! :)
01:07 troublemaker      help*
01:24 eythian           cool
02:03 Penggu            thanks all for help, and for saving me from liblime
02:04 Space_Librarian   Another one saved. Awesome. :D
02:26 troublemaker      yeah this blog is amazing
02:26 troublemaker      im editing my opac. im newbie to koha, i installed on last debian server
02:26 troublemaker      http://universidadinsurgentesdemo.bibliomethods.com/
02:30 eythian           that certainly is one gigantic logo
02:31 jcamins           There don't seem to be any records in the catalog.
02:32 Space_Librarian   O.o
02:33 troublemaker      ahhaa
03:22 * jcamins         waves to wizzyrea.
03:22 wizzyrea          hey
03:25 jcamins           How's it going?
03:30 Amit_Gupta        heya bag
03:30 Amit_Gupta        how r u
03:50 bag               heya Amit_Gupta
04:06 Space_Librarian   Whew. That was a hard sell
04:07 jcamins           Space_Librarian: ?
04:08 Space_Librarian   Have a library thinking about Koha, on DB Textworks, they came to visit
04:08 jcamins           Ah.
04:08 Space_Librarian   And are scared of MARC, and do a great deal of article cataloguing
04:09 * jcamins         dealt with a library like that.
04:10 Space_Librarian   I came into a library like that.
04:10 Space_Librarian   3 weeks ago.
04:11 Space_Librarian   It's interesting to deal with.
04:15 Space_Librarian   And now,  I need to go be zombie-like for a while. Good night/morning all. See you on the other side.
04:15 rangi             I think we need profiles when installing
04:16 jcamins           rangi: That seems like a good idea.
04:17 rangi             So hide all the marc we can simple frameworks etc
04:18 eythian           Make a bunch of really easy to import frameworks for things.
04:18 rangi             Yup
04:30 wizzyrea          i'm still working on my little developer data package
04:30 * druthb          sits down next to wizzyrea.
04:30 rangi             Ohhh sweet
04:30 rangi             Hey druthb
04:30 druthb            hi, rangi.
04:37 druthb            hey, rangi, I've got a question...  a couple of people have suggested that the migration toolbox I've been curating oughta be hosted on git.koha-community.org...  No big deal to *me* where it's hosted...but what do you think?
04:37 druthb            It's still pretty messy, but one of my goals for this year is to tidy things up a bunchabuncha.
04:37 rangi             Can't hurt
04:38 rangi             It could go in the newly made contribs repo
04:39 druthb            whom do I kiss to get my ssh key registered?
04:40 rangi             Probably Galen is easiest
04:40 eythian           we should put a gitorious setup on there some time
04:40 * druthb          wiggles her eyebrows.
04:41 druthb            Okay, I'll talk to him about it next time I see 'im.  Probably wont dump the whole unorganized mess in there, just the really solid-gold stuff, as I get it tidied up.
04:42 rangi             It's gitolite which is cool I just forgot how to do it
04:44 druthb            I've been tinkering for about the last two months on a very-generic biblio masher and patron masher script.  The biblio one has been used against several different ILSes so far--uhm...III, Symphony, Voyager, Horizon, Athena, Infocentre, couple of others, I think.  Patron is in less use, but it's coming along nicely.
04:44 druthb            It's all done with command-line params, like eythian's csvtomarc script.  :)
04:44 rangi             Excellent
04:47 druthb            My Symphony migration kit is just about to the "solid gold" state now.   No more surprises.
04:48 wizzyrea          a community gitorious would be oso cool
04:59 rangi             Yup
05:06 Amit_Gupta        heya ranig
05:19 cait              good morning #koha
05:20 eythian           hi cait
05:20 cait              hi eythian :)
05:36 eythian           wahanui: linux mint is where they make all the linux money
05:36 wahanui           bugger all, i dunno, eythian
05:36 eythian           wahanui: linux mint is \where they make all the linux money
05:36 wahanui           OK, eythian.
05:36 eythian           wahanui: linux mint
05:36 wahanui           hmmm... linux mint is where they make all the linux money
05:37 cait              germs?
05:37 wahanui           Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world.
05:37 cait              :)
05:37 cait              eythian: why are you still here?
05:37 eythian           cait: don't ask. It'll become a rant.
05:38 * wizzyrea        frowns
05:38 cait              if it helps, rant :)
05:38 cait              wizzyrea: shouldn't you be sleeping?
05:38 * jcamins         observes that this has not been a great day for a lot of people. :(
05:38 wizzyrea          technically yes
05:38 * wizzyrea        observes the same
05:38 * jcamins         too
05:39 eythian           It won't be constructive. I've been once again sucked onto another project for two weeks.
05:39 eythian           (not a koha project, that'd be fun at least)
05:40 wizzyrea          blurg.
05:42 cait              eew
05:42 cait              away from wellington again too?
05:42 eythian           [off] yeah. It's causing our Koha team some issues keeping up with stuff we need to do.
05:42 eythian           yep. Next week in Auckland again.
05:43 cait              double eew
05:47 wizzyrea          arg.
05:50 cait              hm
05:51 * cait            tries to find out how to pick all issns from a marc record
05:51 wizzyrea          report library?
05:51 wahanui           i guess report library is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/3.2_SQL_Reports_Library
05:54 cait              wizzyrea: nope, using perl :)
05:54 cait              reports were to easy :P
05:54 cait              bug 7576
05:54 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7576 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, NEW , Add ISSN to SearchForTitleIn
06:05 Amit_Gupta        heya cait
06:05 cait              hi Amit_Gupta
06:13 jcamins           Good night/morning, #koha.
06:35 cait              night jcamins_away
06:53 cait              hi magnus_afk :)
07:27 alex_a            bonjour !
07:46 magnuse           kia ora #koha cait mbalmer alex_a
07:50 reiveune          hello
07:50 wahanui           salut, reiveune
08:07 gaetan_B          hello!
08:08 Amit_Gupta        heya gaetan_B
09:00 magnuse           that's just wizzyrea sleep-irc'ing, right?
09:08 paul_p            good morning magnuse
09:08 paul_p            (& others)
09:08 magnuse           kia ora paul_p
09:09 magnuse           wow, google and baidu sure love koha...
09:17 kf                morning paul_p and magnuse
09:18 magnuse           so far in february: baidu = 215161 hits, google = 169407 hits - on a catalogue with ~13k records
09:19 magnuse           have fun, kf_mtg :-)
09:24 kf_mtg            second meeting today
09:31 magnuse           ooh, nice
09:31 magnuse           @wunder boo
09:31 huginn            magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 1.0°C (10:20 AM CET on February 23, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Pressure: 29.30 in 992 hPa (Steady).
09:31 magnuse           @wunder marseille
09:31 huginn            magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 6.0°C (10:00 AM CET on February 23, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Falling).
09:33 kf_mtg            @wunder Konstanz
09:33 huginn            kf_mtg: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 0.8°C (10:29 AM CET on February 23, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.40 in 1029.3 hPa (Rising).
10:31 * paul_p          doing a migration from 2.2 to 3.6 today ...
10:32 paul_p            oldies but goodies ;-)
11:15 * magnuse         wishes paul_p good luck
11:15 magnuse           paul_p: are you actually migrating the database, or pulling out data and importing them in 3.6 as if they were from another system?
11:16 paul_p            magnuse migrating, with http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Upgrading_2.2
11:16 * magnuse         wishes paul_p good luck ;-)
11:17 magnuse           (tried it once but chose the other route quickly...)
11:23 magnuse           gah, what happened to æøå in the .po files? the files i have uploaded look ok
11:27 kf_mtg            fredericd: around?
11:28 kf_mtg            magnuse: that sounds like I should worry?
11:28 magnuse           kf_mtg: don't worry, be happy
11:29 magnuse           there's lots of norwegian words showing as fuzzy, cause the original string has weird characters, but the old translation is still good
11:29 kf_mtg            hm ok
11:29 kf_mtg            but that's backwards
11:29 kf_mtg            because we had that fixed
11:30 kf_mtg            and it will not only be norwegian I guess....
11:30 magnuse           hm, i'm only seing the norwegian ones
11:30 kf_mtg            shoudl we have a file named lateorders-excel?
11:30 kf_mtg            I find that troubling
11:30 kf_mtg            kind of
11:30 magnuse           sounds like something more generic would be better
11:31 kf_mtg            yeah
11:31 kf_mtg            perhaps lateorders-csv
11:31 kf_mtg            or lateorders-export?
11:33 magnuse           looks better
11:59 slef              morning all
12:00 kf_mtg            morning slef
12:01 slef              I'm bored with this cold.
12:01 slef              How's everyone else?
12:09 magnuse           slef: grateful not to have a cold...
12:09 kf_mtg            I agree with magnuse
12:09 kf_mtg            slef: hope you get better soon
12:10 slef              kf_mtg: I think this one was imported from Germany, so it may be near you soon.
12:10 slef              thanks and me too :)
12:10 magnuse           germs?
12:10 wahanui           Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world.
12:12 kf                eek
12:12 kf                hope not!
12:12 mbalmer           hello
12:12 kf                magnuse: no, that's not a proof of eythian's theory!
12:12 kf                hi mbalmer
12:12 mbalmer           thursday = swiss koha day ;)
12:13 magnuse           kf: :-)
12:13 mbalmer           today I upgrade our koha server from a pentium 4 3 Ghz 768 MB RAM to a dual core Xeon 2.4 GHz with at least 1 GB RAM.  should be a bit faster, I hope
12:16 kf                more ram is probably good
12:16 * kf              looks around for fredericd again
12:25 kf                ok
12:37 kf                bbl
12:46 * magnuse         too
12:55 * chris_n         three
13:08 oleonard          Hi #koha
13:17 jcamins_away      kf: whoops, the misnamed table is definitely a bug.
13:17 jcamins_away      I will fix it when I can (though it probably won't be for a bit).
13:26 marcelr           hi oleonard; thx for testing, submitted some adjustments some mins ago
13:26 marcelr           for 7310
13:29 oleonard          Thanks marcelr, I'll have time later today to test again
13:29 oleonard          I appreciate your work on it, it's a much-needed update
13:29 marcelr           i also put another note on a followup on wiki
13:32 magnus_afk        bug 7310
13:32 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7310 normal, P3, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , Improving permissions on lists (virtual shelves)
13:43 kf                back
13:43 kf                :)
13:44 kf                jcamins_away: remind me to file a bug? or file one?
13:45 jcamins_away      @later tell cait Please file a bug for the image table names.
13:45 huginn            jcamins_away: The operation succeeded.
13:45 jcamins_away      Done. :)
13:46 * oleonard        will be back later
13:53 tcohen            hi #koha
13:53 marcelr           hi tcohen
13:53 tcohen            i've been away from koha working on an alfresco implementation
13:53 tcohen            but looking forward to be back soon
13:54 * jcamins_away    waves to tcohen, marcelr, and schuster
13:54 marcelr           hi jcamins away..
13:55 kf                hi marcelr
13:55 kf                probably going to regret the question - but any opinions about the filename in bug 7298?
13:55 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7298 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , export late orders, with # of claims and claim dates
14:31 schuster          does anyone else in their Koha database have a table called browser?  I see that on my "testing" system and it is empty just curious.
14:31 marcelr           kf: will look at it later; please send me mail
14:31 marcelr           bye koha
14:33 magnuse           schuster: yeah, i have same thing, an empty table called browser
14:35 magnuse           (on current master)
14:40 kf                schuster: I think it's related to an older feature to make classifications browsable
14:40 kf                schuster: but I might be wrong :)
14:41 * wizzyrea        waves
14:42 schuster          Just thought it was strange so when I went to look at it and there wasn't anything there just curious.
14:42 schuster          schuster smiles :)
14:42 * kf              waves at wizzyrea
14:42 collsk12          Good morning all! Quick question: I am looking to set up notices at several elementary and secondary schools. I have set up all of the students with their homeroom teacher's email as their primary email. Is there any way to send one notice to each teacher for all of their students?
14:42 * magnuse         waves too
14:43 kf                collsk12: I don't think you can
14:44 chris_n           so what would cause the marc editor to not permit adding chars 7-10 in 008?
14:44 chris_n           I can add 6 or edit any of the autogenerated chars
14:44 collsk12          Is there any special functionality to the guarantors that I should be looking at?
14:44 chris_n           thursday weirdness perhaps?
14:45 chris_n           I can create the entire field in a line editor and paste it in, however
14:47 jcamins_away      chris_n: are you using the plugin or trying to enter directly?
14:48 schuster          collsk12 - in Plano (67) schools we load the homeroom "description" into the Address field of the borrower record so it shows under the students picture.  We also load the "code" into extended attributes so we can pull up a list of everyone from that homeroom with overdues.
14:49 schuster          Unfortunately there isn't great overdue reporting how schools would want to do it yet...  Pondering it though...
14:49 kf                schuster: I think you could perhaps use sql reports
14:50 kf                and export those ... run some program to make letters
14:51 schuster          That's what we do now but it is a little cumbersome with mailmerge etc... so I'm pondering a way to do it through some template magic.
14:52 kf                I think perhaps using the guarantor functionality
14:52 kf                and some way to say that for 'child' records you want a notice for the 'parent'
14:53 collsk12          schuster: I did a similar thing over here with extended attributes. I created an HR code for homerooms. It really helps with reporting, but not so much for notices.
14:53 collsk12          kf: That's exactly what I was thinking.
14:53 schuster          That might work, unfortunately we don't have emails in Koha "yet" for our teachers or students.  I'm also a little hesitant right now to attach emails to teachers and send overdues out as there isn't a "clean" way to set end of year duedates throughout the year ...
14:54 jcamins_away      schuster: hard due date?
14:54 kf                yes
14:54 kf                there is a clean way
14:54 schuster          Librarians would be flooded with upset teachers about the curriculum items they have checked out.
14:54 kf                schuster: I think there is a lot of functionality to do what you want
14:54 jcamins_away      schuster: that's completely doable.
14:55 jcamins_away      schuster: you're going to like being on Koha. :)
14:55 kf                have you checked the circulation rules for 3.6? :)
14:55 kf                new functionality
14:56 schuster          yes and that is part of why I am trying to get an upgrade and move back to community...  Sorry I'll go back and sit in my corner.
14:57 jcamins           schuster: no problem. We like being able to brag to people about how much Koha has improved in the last year.
14:57 kf                jcamins: meany ;)
14:58 jcamins           kf: it's true!
14:59 kf                yes, koha is absoutely great:)
14:59 chris_n           jcamins: direct entry after the plug-in has auto generated the field
14:59 chris_n           while creating a new record from scratch
15:01 jcamins           chris_n: and you backspaced the spaces that are in there before trying to change it?
15:01 schuster          jcamins - discovered I ran the linker in "test" mode but here is the output at the end of the file - runtime 889536 ms, checked 27524 bibs, modified 0, errors 13985, linked 2223, unlinked 63634, fuzzy 0
15:01 jcamins           schuster: right, that part of the test was to confirm that nothing was modified.
15:01 chris_n           jcamins: let me ask :-)
15:02 jcamins           schuster: I erred on the side of "good grief why are you testing that too?!?"
15:02 jcamins           ;)
15:02 schuster          I think the 13985 are the bibs I loaded with the batch load tool...  Wonders why it doesn't like them...??  Thoughts?  they are searchable.
15:03 jcamins           schuster: Could you e-mail me one?
15:03 jcamins           [off] jcamins@cpbibliography.com
15:03 schuster          eyp
15:04 jcamins           I was ultra-conservative with error handling.
15:06 jcamins           schuster: thanks. Taking a look.
15:06 chris_n           jcamins++
15:07 schuster          should I remove the test and run again?  I can understand the conservative part since that is the data we depend on!
15:07 Shane-S           anyone ever migrated from the ancient Follett Circ/Cat system?
15:07 Shane-S           I found docs saying to use MarcEdit to more 852 to 952 records
15:07 schuster          wizzyrea's office!  possibly someone from MassCat...
15:08 schuster          Shane-S that can be done - we use MarcEdit quite a bit actually in our office to modify records.
15:08 jcamins           schuster: let me check what the story is with that record, and then you can continue the testing regimen.
15:08 chris_n           seems that koha's autogenerated 008 field should have an 'b' in 06 by default rather than a 't' since no date is provided by default
15:09 mbalmer           is there an OpenGrok for Koah somewehre?
15:09 chris_n           that way if one failed to enter a date, 008 would still be correct
15:09 jcamins           chris_n: I have often thought that.
15:09 mbalmer           aka sth like nxr.netbsd.org, but not for the NetBSD sourcs, but the Koha sources?
15:09 chris_n           jcamins: I'll open a bug and fix it then
15:10 schuster          seconds the 008 discussion.
15:10 jcamins           Hrm. No problem with that record for me.
15:11 jcamins           schuster: how many records do you have in your database?
15:11 jcamins           (the test database)
15:12 schuster          27524 bibs
15:12 jcamins           Okay.
15:12 jcamins           It worked properly.
15:12 schuster          some I loaded and then the "default test" batch.
15:13 jcamins           Yeah, so those errors are due to stale data.
15:13 schuster          ok we'll see what happens!
15:13 jcamins           :)
15:13 jcamins           You'll get the same number of "errors" every time you run it.
15:14 jcamins           Well, every time you run it on the whole database.
15:14 jcamins           But it's harmless.
15:14 schuster          K just moving along with my testing...
15:14 jcamins           Probably a bulkmarcimport run failed, and rather than silently ignoring the bibs that weren't actually loaded, the linker tells you.
15:14 jcamins           :)
15:15 collsk12          Has anyone migrated from Winnebago/Spectrum?
15:15 wizzyrea          we have done that, or had it done for us.
15:16 collsk12          wizzyrea: Do you konw if there were any problems with the barcodes?
15:16 wizzyrea          oh yes
15:16 wizzyrea          lots
15:16 collsk12          LOL!
15:16 wizzyrea          checksums, iirc
15:16 wizzyrea          or checkdigits
15:16 wizzyrea          i mean
15:16 jcamins           Ooh, Winnebago/Spectrum is the one that has its own barcode scheme that allows for duplicate barcodes, isn't it?
15:16 wizzyrea          i think that's right yea
15:17 kf                how horrible
15:17 collsk12          I just can't figure out what the checkdigit is. It looks like an arbitrary code 39,mod 10 situation.
15:17 * jcamins         uses that ILS for scary campfire stories. :)
15:17 collsk12          jcamins: LOL!!
15:18 collsk12          I'll probably end up loading a database with the original, code 39, and mod 10 variations and inventorying the system against that table. Good times!
15:20 bshum             collsk12: Spectrum was one of our first libs migrated and it turned out their 14 digit barcodes had their first digit lopped off and the check digit calculated on the fly.  Which was fun for the "legitimate" 12 digit barcodes floating throughout their collection too.
15:21 bshum             Course our lib was probably just weird, hope you have better luck.
15:22 collsk12          bshum: Thanks! So I might need some more columns on that table, eh?
15:22 * jcamins         watches collsk12 run screaming off into the sunset.
15:22 schuster          scan a barcode into notepad and see what really comes up and then try and figure out if you can manipulate the data to match before it goes into Koha.
15:22 collsk12          jcamins: Uh huh...
15:23 bshum             collsk12: Potentially, if you find out that the lib wasn't consistently saving barcode components, or were doing so with different sized barcodes (our lib ended up with 5+ barcode variations, and we never got them figured out)
15:23 schuster          ooo hears rebarcode ...
15:24 collsk12          For our situation, it looks like the last digit is the wildcard. They were "pretty" consistent with the 14-digit type, but there are a few 6-digit barcodes I have to find.
15:25 schuster          Then there is always the "I'm bringing 6 libraries together" did they all have unique barcodes?
15:25 collsk12          We had a similar 5+ barcode variation issue at our high school and middle school libraries, but luckily we were able to hack the Follett database to give us the conversion table.
15:25 Shane-S           just some quick marc questions (I do IT not Library stuff fyi) =LDR ... is that a new biblio record?
15:25 * jcamins         pictures collsk12 holding a machete and standing over a pile of MARC tags.
15:25 jcamins           Shane-S: basically.
15:25 jcamins           That's the "Leader"
15:25 jcamins           @marc leader
15:25 huginn            jcamins: unknown tag leader
15:25 jcamins           @marc ldr
15:26 huginn            jcamins: unknown tag ldr
15:26 jcamins           @marc 000
15:26 huginn            jcamins: unknown tag 000
15:26 jcamins           Oh, for crying out loud...
15:26 Shane-S           bot = fail
15:26 schuster          Likes the image of collsk12 over a follett system with the machete...
15:26 collsk12          schuster: Same barcodes, we are running separate instances for each library, until we can rebarcode. Which might be sooner than I thought :/
15:26 jcamins           marc21?
15:26 wahanui           marc21 is probably at http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/ecbdlist.html , http://www.loc.gov/marc/authority/ecadlist.html
15:26 jcamins           Shane-S: see the first link.
15:26 schuster          @marc LDR
15:26 huginn            schuster: unknown tag LDR
15:27 Shane-S           I tax it $* where * = letters are subsets in the series?
15:27 Shane-S           tax/take
15:27 collsk12          The LDR tells you about the following details of the marc record
15:27 collsk12          I've used MARCEdit to delete these fields and rebuild them.
15:27 Shane-S           okay, I am just editing the record in MarcEditor and trying to make sense of what I see
15:28 jcamins           $[a-z0-9] are subfield markers.
15:28 schuster          Shane-S - $ is the delimiter indicating a new "subfield" within the TAG (numbered line)
15:28 schuster          Library cataloging jargon 101...
15:29 schuster          ok back to testing!!
15:30 jcamins           schuster++
15:31 Shane-S           I read on a page for converting follett to koha the 852 record needs to become 952, and that seems true, but there two @ in 852$x it looks like this (typing manually, as I am on a Mac, not the windows system running MarcEdit)
15:31 chris_n           low-hanging fruit alert: bug 7585
15:31 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7585 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, Needs Signoff , Correct MARC 008 Value Builder Char 06 Default
15:31 Shane-S           $xFSC@aR@c20031029
15:32 Shane-S           That looks like it needs to be broken up
15:32 Shane-S           obviously the c is copyright
15:32 schuster          or purchase or?
15:32 Shane-S           any idea what values should replace the @ or is it just duplicated $x fields?
15:33 schuster          Since that would be item specific information...  Depends on how Follett used that data.
15:33 collsk12          Shane-S: See http://legacyhelp.fsc.follett.com/content/library/cataloging/import_and_export/importing_holdings_information.htm
15:33 schuster          oh... collsk12 beat me too it!
15:33 collsk12          @aR is a "Regular" circulation type, @c is the acquisition date
15:34 huginn            collsk12: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
15:34 Shane-S           collsk12: Thanks, I never would have guess that...now to learn how to use MARCEditor
15:35 collsk12          Shane-S: Learning experience for me as well :)
15:35 * jcamins         curses real estate.
15:37 mveron            Hi #koha
15:37 mveron            We stumbled over a problem with search + languages in the Opac.
15:37 * mveron          'We' = 4 developers and librarians exploring Koha in weekly sessions
15:38 mveron            The dropdown "Languages" does not work. For example, if German is selected I do not get the expected results.
15:38 * mbalmer         greets mveron
15:38 mveron            If I  enter the language code directly into the keyword field, e.g. "Glauser ger", i get the expected results.
15:38 mveron            Is this related to Bug 2559?
15:38 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2559 normal, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Language limit on Spanish returns Russian records or is it English ...
15:39 mveron            mbalmer: greets
15:40 schuster          oooh jcamins sending good vibes...
15:40 schuster          MarcEdit - freeware tool...  There are youtube videos out there and I use it on a regular basis.
15:42 kf                mbalmer: probably related to your data
15:42 kf                I am not sure, but one of the controlled fields might be involved here
15:43 kf                ah sorry, meant mveron
15:43 kf                [off] https://hfjs.bsz-bw.de/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=kw&op=and&idx=kw&op=and&idx=kw&limit=ln%2Crtrn%3Aheb&sort_by=relevance&do=Suche
15:43 mveron            kf: No problem, mbalmer stands at my desk :-)
15:44 kf                i did a search for hebrew and the results look sound to me
15:44 mbalmer           kf, no problem, we ar in the same office, we can literally yell at each other ;)
15:44 kf                I can't recommend yelling at each other
15:44 moodaepo          @marc 001
15:44 huginn            moodaepo: The control number assigned by the organization creating, using, or distributing the record. The MARC code for the organization is contained in field 003 (Control Number Identifier). []
15:44 schuster          is it pulling the language code from the 008?  Check the marc record and that tag to see the language selection.
15:45 schuster          @marc 008
15:45 huginn            schuster: This field contains 40 character positions (00-39) that provide coded information about the record as a whole and about special bibliographic aspects of the item being cataloged. These coded data elements are potentially useful for retrieval and data management purposes. []
15:45 kf                schuster: that's what I suspect
15:45 mbalmer           kf, we usually don't do that, we work in a  nice a constructive athmosphere here
15:45 kf                only always confusing 007,008 and LDR :)
15:45 mveron            kf: We defined de language in 008
15:45 schuster          yes 007 gets in there with more of the AV items and confuses me too.
15:45 kf                well
15:45 kf                that's wrong
15:45 kf                ger
15:45 * jcamins         will yell enough for everyone.
15:46 kf                see langage code list from loc :)
15:46 mveron            kf: We have ger in 008
15:46 kf                hmmm
15:46 kf                ok, well guess that was too easy then
15:46 kf                not sure
15:46 kf                and records with ger do not all show up
15:46 kf                or wrong results show up?
15:47 schuster          so you select language German and do the search with glauser - that record doesn't show up?
15:47 mveron            They dont show up if we select "German" in the language drop down.
15:47 jcamins           Try the following search:
15:47 jcamins           (one moment)
15:47 mveron            If we put ger in the field 041 they are found
15:48 jcamins           ln:ger
15:48 schuster          @marc 041
15:48 huginn            schuster: Codes for languages associated with an item when the language code in field 008/35-37 of the record is insufficient to convey full information. This includes records for multilingual items, items that involve translation, and items where the medium of communication is a sign language. The sources of the codes are: MARC Code List for Languages or other code lists such as ISO 639-1 (Codes for the (1 more message)
15:48 jcamins           mveron: that was for you.
15:49 vfernandes        hi guys
15:49 kf                mveron: oh
15:49 kf                mveron: well it makes sense... kind of. not sure if I am happy with that though
15:50 mveron            with ln:ger we get just a couple of German records, only the 041 ones, not the 008 ones
15:50 vfernandes        one little question :) using bulkmarcimport to import is possible to set the biblionumber? my client wants to maintain the ids of the old system so i need to migrate the id in the field 001 right?
15:50 kf                mveron: ok, I was wrong then :) not sure it's something that was changed since we started with Koha
15:51 jcamins           mveron: I have a theory that you'll have to check since I'm busy.
15:51 kf                perhaps it should also take the 008 field into account?
15:51 jcamins           mveron: open up etc/zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/biblio/record.abs
15:51 jcamins           Look for the 008 line.
15:51 jcamins           You should see ln somewhere on it.
15:51 jcamins           I theorize that it's back to a numeric index.
15:51 mveron            jcamins: mbalmer takes over
15:52 jcamins           It'll look something like ln(xx,yy):n if I'm right.
15:52 jcamins           If I'm wrong, there will be a :w instead of :n
15:52 schuster          Yes in looking at the bug noted above it does look like it was never fully "resolved" and the language codes are not matching.
15:53 jcamins           Time to go.
15:53 mbalmer           ijcamins, is that the "melm 008 .." line?
15:53 vfernandes        no one can helps me?
15:53 jcamins_away      mbalmer: yes.
15:54 schuster          vfernandes - why?  when we migrated we moved the original bib number to 999 for future reference but let the system assign a new bib number.
15:54 mbalmer           lm:n:range(data,35,3)
15:54 kf                vfernandes: I think there is a bug for that - I think currently it's not yet possible
15:54 jcamins_away      Yeah, that's wrong.
15:54 jcamins_away      Needs to be ln:w:range(data,35,3)
15:54 mbalmer           ok.
15:54 kf                vfernandes: I am sure it's in bugzilla - not sure about the status. and it will only work for numeric values
15:54 vfernandes        schuster because the client wants to maintain their id's
15:54 jcamins_away      Change it, reindex, see if it fixes it, then submit a patch.
15:54 wahanui           jcamins_away: that doesn't look right
15:55 vfernandes        it's only numeric values
15:55 mbalmer           how do I reindex?
15:55 kf                vfernandes: I don't think it's a good idea though, there are other ways to store their ids
15:55 jcamins_away      mbalmer: rebuild_zebra.pl -b -r [-x]
15:55 jcamins_away      Wish me luck!
15:55 jcamins_away      And patience.
15:55 jcamins_away      Lots of patience.
15:55 schuster          Oh sooo much...
15:55 wizzyrea          good luck jcamins_away
15:56 jcamins_away      Thanks.
15:56 vfernandes        it's a demand from the client :/
15:57 vfernandes        if the marcxml as the 001 filled shouldn't be the record number?
15:58 Shane-S           so is there a way to make Koha import 852 -> 952 as that seems to be my main import issue, or must I do my replace with MARCedit?
15:59 mbalmer           how do I run that revbuild_zebra.pl script?  I get tons of error messages
16:00 Shane-S           mbalmer use git or packages?
16:00 mbalmer           packages
16:00 wahanui           package info is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.4_on_Debian_Squeeze
16:01 Shane-S           it should run every 5 minutes, but you can do koha-rebuild-zebra <sitenamehere>
16:01 Shane-S           I am on Ubuntu so I have to do sudo koha-rebuild-zebra npslibrary
16:02 mbalmer           ok, let's see...
16:03 jcamins_away      mbalmer: koha-rebuild-zebra --full
16:03 * jcamins_away    comes back for a few minutes.
16:04 jcamins_away      Shane-S: you'll need to use MarcEdit.
16:04 mbalmer           my colleagues are verifying...
16:04 mbalmer           seems they find more now
16:04 kf                mbalmer: there is documentation on the commands I think
16:04 mbalmer           they say it's ok now.
16:04 jcamins_away      vfernandes: bug 6113
16:04 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6113 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , enhancement to keep previous ids
16:04 jcamins_away      mbalmer: okay, so you should submit a bug and patch for that.
16:04 mbalmer           so our thursday afternoon session found a bug, nice.
16:05 mbalmer           sure
16:05 Shane-S           mbalmer: if they need books/changes to appear sooner, have them adjust the cron job's time
16:06 kf                Shane-S: different problem here
16:06 kf                Shane-S: mbalmer wants to reindex because he changed something in the indexing rules :)
16:06 Shane-S           oh :p
16:07 vfernandes        thank you jcamins :)
16:08 Shane-S           I try to help even if I am a total nub
16:09 Shane-S           <-- off to play with MARCedit
16:09 kf                Shane-S++ .)
16:09 reiveune          à demain
16:09 wizzyrea          Shane-S++ we were all nubs once
16:09 wizzyrea          bye!
16:09 wizzyrea          hey something other than "bye"
16:11 chris_n           hi wizzyrea
16:12 wizzyrea          heya
16:16 oleonard          Anyone ever set up two VirtualBox VMs so that one could access the webserver on the other?
16:16 * jcamins_away    has.
16:16 jcamins_away      I use two NICs.
16:16 jcamins_away      One set to NAT, one set to Host-only.
16:16 oleonard          jcamins_away: Did you follow some instructions somewhere?
16:16 jcamins_away      druthb does it differently.
16:17 jcamins_away      oleonard: no, I think I made it up as I went along.
16:18 jcamins_away      It was pretty easy, I think.
16:18 jcamins_away      Finally, the seller's lawyer told us who to make the checks out to.
16:19 chris_n           sortta hard to buy real-estate w/o knowing who to pay ;-)
16:19 jcamins_away      You're telling me!
16:19 kf                yay :)
16:19 chris_n           @seen sekjal
16:19 huginn            chris_n: sekjal was last seen in #koha 6 days, 18 hours, 23 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: <sekjal> okay, folks, I'm out for the night.  been a blast.
16:19 kf                time to leave :)
16:19 kf                bye all
16:19 chris_n           bye
16:20 chris_n           long night sekjal
16:21 nengard           heh
16:25 wizzyrea          oh wow speak of the devil :)
16:26 sekjal            ...
16:26 wizzyrea          :)
16:26 wizzyrea          is not a bad thing.
16:26 sekjal            morning, #koha
16:28 mveron            jcamins: We filed a for the language / search problem:  Bug 7586
16:28 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7586 critical, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Search: Language restriction does show expected results (no items shown)
16:29 mveron            jcamins, kf and others: Wow, that was a fast solution! We appreciate!
16:35 mveron            I mistaked with the title of bug 7586, does NOT show expected results  :-/
16:35 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7586 critical, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Search: Language restriction does  NOT show expected results (no items shown)
16:35 schuster          mveron - well you know what the problem is now to get someone to "fix it"...  Looks to be simple, but someone has to take the time...
16:35 schuster          sekjal was conjured when called?
16:35 mveron            schuster: mbalmer will take care of it
16:36 * mbalmer         is mveron's code-slave ;)
16:37 schuster          jcamins_away - let me know when you are back in there is a small tweak on LinkerModule
16:37 schuster          in 45 and 48 of the test it did the reverse.
16:37 oleonard          Oh man I want a code-slave!
16:38 schuster          I have a code friend, but he doesn't understand library speak... or Koha.
16:38 mbalmer           neither do I (at least the library speak part)
16:38 * mveron          mbalmer will get a beer. After coding.
16:41 oleonard          Oh man I want a beer after coding!
16:41 * wizzyrea        offers to buy oleonard beers
16:41 sekjal            try a beer during: http://xkcd.com/323/
16:42 wizzyrea          except I'm in kansas and we have weird laws about beer crossing state lines.
16:42 wizzyrea          they did actually prove that creativity was greatest when you are groggy or slightly tipsy.
16:42 wizzyrea          that's a scientific fact :P
16:42 wizzyrea          which is why you have your best ideas in the shower.
16:43 * oleonard        cheers science and selectively doesn't hear the groggy part
16:43 * mbalmer         turns beer into code
16:46 mveron            mveron: One more question to the language thing: Where can we change the list of languages in teh drop down?
16:46 mveron            We need to insert e.g. "Swiss German" and remove other, unused languages
16:48 Shane-S           what field does dewy decimal generally go in Koha?
16:48 Shane-S           my marc record has 3 field with what looks like a dewy
16:49 wizzyrea          wait wait
16:49 wizzyrea          that xkcd cites "the Ballmer peak"
16:49 wizzyrea          I find this amusing
16:52 mbalmer           http://xkcd.com/323/
16:58 * oleonard        thinks he's going to need something stronger than beer after testing in IE today...
17:02 mbalmer           see you on the other side..
17:02 gaetan_B          bye #koha!
17:12 oleonard          I've attached a preliminary patch to Bug 7584 if anyone is interested in testing. I haven't tested any browsers on Mac, IE7, or IE9
17:12 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7584 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Update cart and lists buttons style using CSS3 features
17:12 wizzyrea          ooo
17:12 wizzyrea          oleonard++
17:12 wizzyrea          :D
17:13 oleonard          You know me, always looking for ways to break libraries' CSS customizations :P
17:13 wizzyrea          hehe
17:14 wizzyrea          you'd probably break mine but it would be ok because I imagine yours are prettier than mine :P
17:14 oleonard          The update keeps the same look, just updates the underlying CSS and markup
17:15 wizzyrea          actually you probably just did what I did in my overrides + new styling.
17:15 wizzyrea          or something very similar.
17:15 oleonard          Here's the before and after (or after and before?) http://www.screencast.com/t/1jshtzrGk9x
17:15 wizzyrea          nice!
17:15 wizzyrea          I think the display is even a little nicer with the CSS.
17:16 sekjal            now we we could just replace that cart icon with something a little more generic.... a fancy UTF-8 character, perhaps
17:17 oleonard          sekjal: With my update the icon and color are both in CSS at least
17:18 sekjal            wehoo!  oleonard++
17:18 oleonard          IE gets no icon because it lacks support for multiple backgrounds
17:19 wizzyrea          bad IE, no icon for you!
17:20 Shane-S           oleonard: layer a div or span over it for the background perhaps?
17:21 oleonard          Not important enough to me Shane-S. Maybe someone else will demand it, I dunno.
17:21 Shane-S           can I see it so I can tell what your talking about?
17:22 oleonard          The patch is attached to Bug 7584. The look of the buttons hasn't changed at all though.
17:22 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7584 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Update cart and lists buttons style using CSS3 features
17:23 wizzyrea          you could even sign off on that if you wanted.
17:23 wizzyrea          :)
17:23 wizzyrea          easy one
17:23 oleonard          For example: background: url("../../images/cart.gif"),-moz-linear-gradient(top, #e5f1d4 0%, #cbe4aa 50%, #c0de98 100%);
17:23 oleonard          That sets the background image and a background gradient at the same time.
17:23 oleonard          (in Firefox syntax)
17:23 wizzyrea          love those linear gradients. so hot.
17:23 oleonard          http://www.colorzilla.com/gradient-editor/ FTW
17:29 wizzyrea          still no batch patron delete, right?
17:29 moodaepo          oleonard++
17:29 wizzyrea          oh yea that gradient maker thing is so flippin great
17:29 * moodaepo        has used that quite a bit among others
17:30 schuster          wizzyrea - not that I have seen on the patron delete.
17:35 wizzyrea          and no batch patron mod either.
17:35 wizzyrea          schuster, how do you handle your kids?
17:35 wizzyrea          a full reload?
17:35 wizzyrea          *NEKLS thinks of adding a school
17:36 * oleonard        guesses lots of paddling
17:36 wizzyrea          to nexpress
17:36 * wizzyrea        gives oleonard the stink eye
17:36 wizzyrea          j/k :)
17:36 oleonard          Stinkeye... That's a paddlin'
17:36 wizzyrea          owie
17:37 schuster          Yes we reload all borrowers 2 times a week. Monday and Thursdays - the gradebook program provides a csv file(our database manager "appends" the header) and we have a cron job that goes out and picks it up and process the file.
17:37 wizzyrea          oh mah lord.
17:37 schuster          I'm working on submitting our process to community.
17:37 schuster          it loads about 55,000 students in 45 minutes.
17:37 schuster          That doesn't get rid of those that are not updated though.
17:37 wizzyrea          does it "dump" - yea, that's what I was wondering
17:38 wizzyrea          does it dump the old ones.
17:38 oleonard          (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFgR0m-9FmM btw)
17:39 cait              what I do for one of our libraries is
17:39 cait              debar all patrons, then reload
17:39 schuster          Someone pointed out that they set their expiration date to June 20 of the year they graduate.  That way they can at least look at those to determine who has not gotten an update and then delete them manually.
17:39 cait              so those who ar enot in the file will still be debarred after reimporting
17:40 schuster          ah yep .
17:40 wizzyrea          hmm
17:40 collsk12          schuster: Do you know what cron job you run? I've been doing the same thing manually every week.
17:41 * wizzyrea        suspects it's custom
17:41 schuster          There is no datetime stamp on the borrower record to track update unless you load it as part of the borrower load.
17:42 schuster          collsk12 - that's a cron I'm working to get submitted to community it was something LibLime did for us 4 years ago and I never realized it wasn't out for public consumption until last month.
17:42 collsk12          Gotcha....well fine then ;)
17:42 * oleonard        suppresses a snort
17:42 schuster          i tried the manual thing but our files are so large it would time out...
17:43 schuster          I'll get back on that patch submission hopefully this afternoon.  I'm close to submission.
17:43 schuster          I also have one for batch loading student pictures that I'm working on getting submitted
17:43 collsk12          sounds awesome!
17:43 * wizzyrea        is just glad schuster actually owns his code.
17:43 wizzyrea          and thus can share it :)
17:44 schuster          :)
17:44 schuster          Another reason we are not going down the rabbit hole.
17:47 schuster          I'm looking for an sql of borrowers that owe money and/or have overdue books - suggestions?
17:47 schuster          I don't see anything in the SQL report library
17:48 wizzyrea          really?
17:48 wizzyrea          that seems... odd
17:49 wizzyrea          report library?
17:49 wahanui           report library is, like, at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/3.2_SQL_Reports_Library
17:49 oleonard          So who's got a favorite responsive, fluid CSS grid system?
17:49 wizzyrea          http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/3.2_SQL_Reports_Library#Overdue_materials
17:49 wizzyrea          http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/3.2_SQL_Reports_Library#Total_Fines_Owed
17:49 wizzyrea          either of those?
17:50 sekjal            the two could possibly be joined into one output with a UNION statement
17:50 wizzyrea          ^^
17:53 * wizzyrea        is now annoyed by unix programs that use single - for longopts.
17:54 liw               wizzyrea, yes, that's annoying (also proof that I won't be inventing a time machine or I would've fixed it in the past)
17:54 wizzyrea          before I worked on koha, I would have just accepted that as "how it is" and not known the difference.
17:54 wizzyrea          :)
17:54 * wizzyrea        contributes to the liw time machine fund
17:55 schuster          Ok that's a start I guess.  I found  - http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library#Patrons_w.2F_Fines which is close...  need to explore more.
17:56 liw               wizzyrea, http://liw.fi/time-machine/ :)
17:57 wizzyrea          hahaha!
17:59 * chris_n         wonders what about changing sysprefs, etc. on koha requires a cold boot
17:59 chris_n           heya sekjal!
17:59 cait              memcache
17:59 cait              or caching
17:59 chris_n           wb to the day
17:59 cait              and hi chris_n
17:59 cait              :)
17:59 chris_n           hey cait
17:59 cait              I tihnk paul said before he did work on caching - so that would make sense to me
18:00 chris_n           changing authorized values?
18:00 chris_n           are they cached?
18:01 cait              no idea
18:02 Shane-S           so follet uses Marc21, what does Koha use (for when I order books)
18:02 wizzyrea          Marc21 :)
18:02 wizzyrea          MARC21
18:02 wizzyrea          same thing
18:03 * wizzyrea        is still giggling over liw's time machine.
18:03 sekjal            hey, chris_n
18:03 tcohen            chris_n: authorized values do not seem to be cached
18:04 Shane-S           then I take it follets software moves 952 to 852?
18:04 wizzyrea          952 is where koha keeps items
18:04 wizzyrea          bc item records, and someone correct me if I'm wrong here, they aren't "standard" MARC
18:05 Shane-S           oh okay so that is local data gotcha!
18:05 wizzyrea          900's are local use fields that koha uses to store items
18:05 wizzyrea          exactly :)
18:05 cait              chris_n: no idea what exactly is going on there, but http://lists.katipo.co.nz/public/koha/2012-February/031967.html
18:06 tcohen            mmm, memoize('GetAuthorisedValues') in C4/Koha.pm
18:06 cait              only if we can flush them on change please
18:07 cait              it's so confusing if you change something but nothing changes
18:07 cait              even waiting 10 minutes is not good really :(
18:07 tcohen            cait: I agree
18:07 chris_n           exactly
18:07 chris_n           hence the caching "trap" :-)
18:08 tcohen            cache invalidation, i hope next week I can provide a demo of a solution
18:08 chris_n           but the whole caching thing is still in the works and so an "unstable" feature
18:08 tcohen            i've just became co-maintainer of memoize::memcached
18:08 chris_n           in general, changes to koha should note require a cold boot I think
18:09 tcohen            a memcached service cold boot
18:09 chris_n           yes, a relaod or restart
18:09 chris_n           reload, even :)
18:10 tcohen            reloading is not an option as sessions might be stored there too!
18:11 cait              and not everyone has command line access
18:11 chris_n           I'm assuming that once caching is fully implemented there will be cache-flushing routines to avoid cli access requirements
18:11 * chris_n         tries to imagine training his librarians to do such admin tasks each time they update/add an authorized value
18:13 schuster          schuster shudders at the thought.
18:13 chris_n           tcohen: great news on the co-maintainership btw
18:14 tcohen            i'll try to change the memoize API so we pass an array of 'invalidator functions'
18:14 schuster          anyone use the Overdue and Fines on the circ page?  it isn't even documented in the 3.6 manual...
18:15 cait              they are reports :)
18:15 Shane-S           crap...seems follet or the book company added a "T" to the barcode number, but the actual barcode does not pull in the "T" as it means "text" on my phone scanner. Can I batch remove all the T's from barcode numbers?
18:15 cait              not so much to document I think, one shows overdues ,one overdues with fines :)
18:16 schuster          I can't even get it to provide me a anything for the Overdue and Fines report so that's why I was asking.
18:16 schuster          Shane-S - is the T actually scanned as part of the barcode?
18:17 Shane-S           No scanned (via my phone, I will try with the handheld later) it comes up 0054190, but in the imported data Koha has it as T0054190
18:17 schuster          Shane-S - sounds like a job for Marcedit! - you would think I was a sales person but I'm not.
18:17 collsk12          Shane-S: Follett is a nightmare to export. Pull a few books and scan the barcodes in notepad. It will give you an indication of how bad the situation is.
18:17 collsk12          Do you have access to the Follett database, by chance?
18:18 cait              schuster: laast time I worked with it was 3.2.2
18:18 Shane-S           No clue how to use it, but I already MarcEdit the export and imported 9,000 records into Koha :(
18:18 cait              schuster: what do you mean it does not you a anything?
18:18 Shane-S           Now I found the barcode issue...this will be "FUN"
18:19 collsk12          Yup
18:19 Shane-S           Can I purge Koha's data easily?
18:19 collsk12          Barcodes seem to be a very common way to "keep" your customers.
18:19 wizzyrea          Shane-S: http://koha-community.org/?qa_faqs=added-books-testing-im-testing-delete-test-items-bibs-start-fresh-it
18:20 collsk12          Shane-S: Might not be necessary. Do you have access to the database?
18:20 Shane-S           its just a test system I can do anything to it, or do you mean Follett?
18:20 collsk12          I mean follett
18:21 wizzyrea          do see that link though, Shane-S
18:21 Shane-S           wizzyrea: yes thank you
18:22 wizzyrea          and the command is missing there, but it's a misc/migration_tools/rebuild-zebra.pl -b -r -v
18:22 wizzyrea          or you're on packages, just use the koha-rebuild
18:22 collsk12          Long story short. I migrated from a follett system. The T seems to be applied to every "title" in follet and i think it was a "P" added to every patron; however, follett also built in some padding, which was pretty arbitrary.
18:22 wizzyrea          or whatever it is :P
18:22 Shane-S           kk :P
18:22 Shane-S           collsk12: MARCEdit will probably help me out there :D
18:23 collsk12          I was able to get into the follett database a export a table that had the "T 123456" next to the "T00123456", or whatever the case may be.
18:23 Shane-S           Don't feel like stressing my 60+ year librarian out, she gets worried when I come in...charge = heart failure :P
18:23 collsk12          MARCEdit couldn't help me, because there was no rule to the number of zeros follett added.
18:23 collsk12          Feel your pain, buddy.
18:24 Shane-S           zeros scan fine, letters don't
18:24 Shane-S           I have to test some barcodes first, so I will see
18:24 Shane-S           if I HAD to get on Circ/Cat I can, but I have no idea what the DB run under in OS9
18:24 collsk12          The letters will scan. I would test a random selection of barcode before you go hack up the export in MARCedit.
18:26 collsk12          MARCEdit will work wonders if every single barcode follows the same pattern. I will keep my fingers crossed for you.
18:26 Shane-S           this book I have is old, so I have to get in there an scan away with my phone and the scanner and see if it varies and what I get
18:27 collsk12          You could even just fix it on the database using some mysql magic
18:27 Shane-S           it doesn't have a T in the number (nor the padded zeros) but my phone isn't scanning a T
18:27 collsk12          That's fine. Just make sure that ALL of your books follow the same pattern.
18:27 collsk12          Or you will have a very stressed out librarian.
18:27 Shane-S           yeah, luckily I am not afraid of MySQL, just trying to make it import data easily, so I can do it if we move to production
18:29 Shane-S           might just right a little .php script and do an if or case statement on the field
18:30 Shane-S           as most have T00, but just found an odd ball X88888004
18:31 Shane-S           I am sure an SQL pro can make fetch first 3 character of a field, find all that match, update with removing...just seems easier to script it to me :P
18:32 Shane-S           actually...MARCEdit... Find $pT00 replace $p00...pending barcodes
18:32 schuster          Shane-S yep
18:32 collsk12          You could do it either way, I just found it easier to do the update on the table rather than reimport.
18:33 collsk12          But your odd ball will cause issues.
18:33 schuster          Not sure how the indexing works when you manually edit the tables that's what makes me nervous.
18:33 collsk12          Works like a charm.
18:33 Shane-S           where does/is an items location stored/set, I noticed all imports are in "holdings" until I edit and save and it adds shelving and location data
18:34 schuster          952 a and b
18:34 schuster          Shelving and location are what I call collection codes - NF, E, FIC etc... those are 952 8 and c
18:34 schuster          952 a and b are what I call the branches
18:36 Shane-S           okay I see the side codes, didn't know the number, I guess it is always 952
18:36 Shane-S           what is 942c, Koha Item Type right?
18:36 Shane-S           thought it has y next to it
18:37 cait              c is shelving location i think
18:37 cait              itemtype is y
18:37 cait              items?
18:37 cait              952?
18:37 wahanui           952 is the field used for items in Koha. See http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Holdings_data_fields_%289xx%29
18:37 rangi             Morning
18:37 cait              morning rangi
18:38 Shane-S           bah sorry 942c was old data...I see my MarcEdit put it in $y for 952
18:38 Shane-S           sorry I am still catching on :P
18:46 oleonard          rangi: Does Catalyst have a favorite CSS grid framework?
18:47 rangi             You're asking the wrong guy
18:47 rangi             I'll ask the design team :)
18:48 oleonard          I would appreciate it. I think it's time to move the OPAC forward in that regard.
18:48 wizzyrea          down with YUI!
18:48 * oleonard        has been looking at Bootstrap today (http://twitter.github.com/bootstrap/)
18:49 oleonard          ...although just for the grid system, not for the JS widgets
18:49 alaquerre         Hi all, is there a way to display more information in the search result page in OPAC. We would like to be able to show the Authorized Values value from NOT_FOR_LOAN instead of Available / Not Available.
18:52 libsysguy         While we are on the subject of the opac I have a random question
18:52 libsysguy         it seems like parts of the opac have been geared toward a landing page for libraries
18:52 libsysguy         would that be a correct assessment?
18:52 cait              down with yui! :)
18:53 oleonard          I don't understand your question libsysguy
18:53 libsysguy         well, we have several things we can put on the landing page for koha
18:53 libsysguy         news, logins etc
18:53 sekjal            libsysguy:  do you mean that Koha is set up to serve as the library's website, not just it's catalog?
18:53 libsysguy         basically
18:53 wizzyrea          it certainly *could* do that
18:54 cait              alaquerre: i think it used to be like that
18:54 cait              ah result page
18:54 cait              not detail page
18:54 libsysguy         I was thinking about a cool way for it to be more tightly integrated with a libraries website
18:55 wizzyrea          have you looked at SOPAC
18:55 libsysguy         yes, it failed miserably
18:55 wizzyrea          ew
18:55 libsysguy         or at least I wasn't a fan
18:55 wizzyrea          ok then.
18:55 sekjal            libsysguy: that'd rock.  one of the things I'm facing now is that my library website and my catalog(s) are completely separate systems jurisdictions, but users don't make those distinctions
18:55 libsysguy         but there is a drupal integration module for pazpar2
18:55 * wizzyrea        always just kipes the search form and plonks it on websites.
18:56 libsysguy         so how cool would it be to integrate the catalog into drupal and use that as a front end engine
18:56 * libsysguy       is going out on a limb here
18:56 libsysguy         so please nobody break out the saws :p
18:57 libsysguy         sekjal I have the same issue here
18:57 oleonard          Isn't that the idea of SOPAC libsysguy?
18:57 libsysguy         its the idea
18:57 alaquerre         cait: Yes exactly in the result page.  We use to set some value in the not for loan.  Ex : "At the front desk".  Right now, we display that there is not item available.  If we can show instead :"Availability : At the front desk(1)"  It would be so much better :-)
18:57 libsysguy         but i feel its not very well executed
18:57 alaquerre         cait : And right now... User think there is no document available.
18:58 cait              alaquerre: i think the problem is it will get too big
18:59 cait              alaquerre: if you are a library with lots of different items, branches, values
18:59 cait              the availability informatoin in the result list will get too long
18:59 alaquerre         Agreee, maybe I asked the wrong question.. How do you guys deal with document you dont want to let out of the library and still show the document available ?
19:00 rangi             My stop
19:00 rangi             Bbiab
19:00 sekjal            libsysguy:  so, would it be more practical to work to improve what SOPAC does, or to just scrap it and start afresh with a whole new module?
19:01 libsysguy         well I've been looking at this module /usr/share/doc/exim4-base/examples/exim-gencert
19:01 libsysguy         oops
19:02 * libsysguy       is also working on emal :p
19:02 libsysguy         http://www.indexdata.com/masterkey
19:02 libsysguy         sekjal I think it depends on what you want to do...SOPAC and MasterKey have two very different aproaches to integration
19:03 * sekjal          wants to get his library on Koha.  and Drupal.  but that'll take a long time
19:04 * libsysguy       feels sekjal's pain
19:04 libsysguy         its a long road
19:07 sekjal            I got a good plug in for open source systems at a webinar about Linked Data the other day
19:07 * libsysguy       kind of geeked out at the thought of Drupal/Koha harmony
19:07 * magnus_afk      perks up at the mention of linked data
19:07 rangi             back
19:08 sekjal            magnus_afk: I think it wouldn't be too hard to write a set of scripts to translate MARC records into a bunch of RDF statements.
19:09 magnus_afk        sekjal: here's one, written in ruby: https://github.com/digibib/marc2rdf
19:09 libsysguy         I thought rangi said RDF was dead in the water for now
19:09 magnus_afk        bug 7236
19:09 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7236 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, magnus, NEW , Add "Save as RDF" option to the OPAC
19:09 sekjal            magnus_afk:  well there we go!
19:11 * magnus_afk      wonders what rangi meant if he said that
19:11 magnus_afk        i only wish i had more time to tinker with it
19:11 libsysguy         maybe I just misread
19:13 rangi             RDA
19:13 rangi             not rdf
19:13 sekjal            it's going to take some kind of critical mass to get the library world moving forward with RDF.  but having open source tools and an easy way for hackers to quickly throw up a proof-of-concept RDF implementation will help speed that along
19:13 rangi             rdf is just spinning round in circles on the water
19:13 magnus_afk        ah, there's a difference there ;-)
19:13 rangi             yelling im not dead yet
19:15 magnus_afk        sekjal: i'm sort of trying to get together a small poc of koha's opac "enhanced" by linked data...
19:17 magnus_afk        LOC were being quite explicit about replacing marc with rdf/linked data not too long ago
19:17 rangi             yup, for RDA in fact
19:18 magnus_afk        links at the top here, for those who have not seen it: http://marc-must-die.info/index.php/Main_Page ;-)
19:32 * oleonard        cuts out early
19:32 oleonard          See ya #koha
19:49 * chris_n         finds a bug in the syspref editor whilst investigating the post on 3.6.2
19:49 chris_n           if I change a setting and save it
19:49 chris_n           then, without reloading the page, change it again
19:49 chris_n           it will not save
19:51 librarygeekadam   good day, I am running a test to use Koha, Dspace, and VuFind all on the same LAMP server. Could some one possibly tell me how I can get the local host to have more than one address? Right now both Dspace and Koha are fighting to use 127.0.1.1:8080 and 127.0.1.1:80. Dspace has a / after the 8080 and 80 but that doesn't seem to matter as Koha still comes up
19:51 librarygeekadam   I appreciate any advice anyone can give me
19:52 librarygeekadam   I should say dspace is 127.0.1.1:8080/xumli
19:54 librarygeekadam   any ideas on how i can direct koha to a different local host address so I can use both dspace and Koha?
19:55 druthb            All of those address/port combos should be being handled through Apache configs...so you should be able to just tinker with those to use different ports.
19:55 druthb            Koha's apache config is *very* easy to fix like that, at least.
19:55 librarygeekadam   ok
19:55 librarygeekadam   I am new to the whole thing so Its been a steep learning curve
19:55 druthb            DSpace (is it still using Tomcat?) would be harder to tinker with, so I'd say move Koha.
19:56 librarygeekadam   do you by chance know a good website for configuring Apache like that?
19:56 librarygeekadam   Dspace is using tomcat
19:56 druthb            http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/bind.html
19:56 librarygeekadam   then I would just open the file where i put in Listen 8080 and configure there correct? or is there another file I should configure?
19:57 druthb            Particularly the section on "How This Works With Virtual Hosts"...as the default Koha config uses VHosts.
19:57 druthb            You'll need to modify ports.conf, to listen on the port, then the vhost configs for staff and opac.  :)
19:57 druthb            (then restart Apache.)
19:57 librarygeekadam   cool
19:58 druthb            Glad I could help.  Good luck.
19:58 librarygeekadam   i appreciate the help on this!
19:58 librarygeekadam   thanks
20:04 Shane-S           okay...tried...http://koha-community.org/?qa_faqs=added-books-testing-im-testing-delete-test-items-bibs-start-fresh-it and then did http://koha-community.org/faq/double-ups-search-results-clear-index-start-again/ yet OPAC and Admin still show results
20:04 * druthb          presses the "easy" button.
20:05 Shane-S           db tb biblio is empty when I do select * from biblio I get empty set
20:06 Shane-S           wonder if it doesn't work with the packages
20:13 * druthb          squees, and hugs Space_Librarian.
20:15 Shane-S           where else would zebra report errors I check in /var/log/koha/mysite zebra-error.log
20:15 cait              if biblio is empt
20:15 cait              y
20:15 cait              you have no records in your database
20:15 cait              ah
20:16 cait              you still see results with now data?
20:16 cait              no data
20:16 Shane-S           but Zebra ins't re-indexing, searches are coming back with catalog data
20:16 cait              hmm
20:17 Shane-S           I have done sudo koha-rebuild-zebra --full npslibrary, without --full, and without the the site name
20:17 Shane-S           zebra-error.log is empty, and output just has warns
20:17 rangi             it wont
20:17 rangi             add 1 item and it will
20:17 rangi             its because -full dumps the biblios and then creates a new shadow file and copies it over
20:17 rangi             no biblios to dump, it doesnt happen
20:18 Shane-S           ah okay :P
20:18 rangi             soon as you add 1 record, it will get rid of the rest
20:18 Shane-S           I will work on my new marc import
20:18 Shane-S           thanks
20:35 * Space_Librarian is headdesking holds on ebooks.
20:35 wizzyrea          O.o
20:35 * wizzyrea        asks an obvious question
20:35 wizzyrea          what about digital media requires that an *ebook* have a *hold*
20:36 Shane-S           okay I appended $2 $a $b to my 952 with MarcEdit, and now the import did bring in an items in for holding, when i click add/edit item, it comes up with no books available, any idea why?
20:37 rangi             wizzyrea: its just internal business rules
20:37 Shane-S           didn't bring in any items*
20:37 wizzyrea          hmm
20:37 rangi             tracking who has had what
20:37 cait              did you $y too?
20:37 Space_Librarian   wizzyrea, not in our library. Physical copies can have a hold, ebooks have an external link, so *technically not for loan* but we want them to be searchable and "available" and saying "not for loan" confuses people. *sigh*
20:37 wizzyrea          do you ahve libraries defined Shane-S
20:37 cait              and what did you put in $2?
20:37 cait              oh, and what wizzyrea asks
20:37 wizzyrea          Ohhh I see Space_Librarian
20:38 rangi             except for the ones that dont
20:38 cait              and make your all your $a and $b are capitals
20:38 rangi             where they deliver an electronic document to the person
20:38 rangi             it made my head hurt at training
20:38 Space_Librarian   wizzyrea, so I've set holdings to 0 and reserve to 0, and they're still coming up in the holds.
20:38 rangi             :)
20:38 Shane-S           $y was in there I think...lemme check and $a & $b I made match how i see it for the drop downs
20:38 Space_Librarian   it's doing my head in now.
20:38 cait              Space_Librarian: ouch .(
20:38 wizzyrea          hm. so people can put holds on them, and you *don't* want that?
20:38 Space_Librarian   rangi, those were the articles, not the ebooks. They check those out and in again.
20:39 Space_Librarian   wizzyrea, yes.
20:39 wizzyrea          how about
20:39 cait              Shane-S: must be the code from your branches table, not the drop down description
20:39 wizzyrea          make a rule "no holds" for the itype of your ebook
20:39 cait              look at administration > branches and groups (or similar)
20:39 cait              and same for $y itemtypes
20:39 rangi             have you seen my bag of money?
20:39 * rangi           wanders off on a tangent
20:39 bag               bag
20:39 Shane-S           $y was in included previously, it is set to "BK" which isn't valid, but that did affect the first import
20:40 Space_Librarian   wizzyrea, done that
20:40 wizzyrea          and it's still letting people place holds?
20:40 wizzyrea          multi branches?
20:40 Space_Librarian   still coming up in the holds to pull report
20:40 Space_Librarian   single branch
20:40 wahanui           single branch is a single branch in both opac and intranet
20:40 wizzyrea          using the default rules or the ones for a specific library
20:40 wizzyrea          perhaps you need to create the rule for no holds on the library specific rules
20:40 wizzyrea          there's something about those holdability rules
20:40 * Space_Librarian wanders off to have a look
20:41 wizzyrea          sometimes they don't cascade correctly
20:41 * wizzyrea        bounces along with koha radio
20:41 cait              Shane-S: for $y I think it will work defining the codes later, butnot for branches
20:41 * Shane-S         goes to fix $a $b to be NPSD
20:42 wizzyrea          ^^ good idea :)
20:42 * Space_Librarian goes to tinker
20:44 schuster          Shane-S - it is a good idea to setup the "Basic parameters" on the Administration page before trying to play too much.
20:44 wizzyrea          ^^^^^^^^ this
20:45 wizzyrea          make sure you've stepped through the config
20:45 wizzyrea          at least the 1st section.
20:45 Shane-S           schuster: I don't know what item types we want or need yet, it appears from Follet my librian only used "BK" or Book
20:45 schuster          Then you'll want to circ ... and you will have to remember to come back and do Patrons circulation, and then you will want to place holds... and you will have to oh better stop.
20:45 schuster          Sounds like you might need to team with your Librarian...
20:45 wizzyrea          Shane-S: then it would probably be advisable to install some sample data.
20:46 eternalsword      managed to get my external authentication method working via sysprefs instead of koha-conf.xml.  might tackle ldap at some point, but the difference is ldap has this idea of mapping, that I'm not sure will translate well to the sysprefs system.  something to think about.
20:46 wizzyrea          which would help
20:47 Shane-S           schuster: wizzyrea for now I am just doing a proof of concept basically, but showing that I can import our data
20:47 wizzyrea          yea, but wow having that stuff set up will make that a lot easier
20:47 Shane-S           that was the one sticking point...not having the man hour to re-enter all the books
20:47 Space_Librarian   *sigh*
20:47 wizzyrea          ?
20:47 Shane-S           as per the librarian....she doesn't know about this...for fear of literally scaring her to death
20:48 wizzyrea          migration is certainly possible :)
20:48 wizzyrea          many, many libraries have migrated from follett
20:48 schuster          Data migration from one automation system to another can always be done...  Depending on the Man hours you have available...
20:48 Space_Librarian   migration is always possible. And I am naming ebooks my nemesis.
20:49 Shane-S           I just want to be able to sit down an be like yep, I did it all, here is the working demo, with all our crap migrated to play with so you aren't scared and can ask me any questions and I don't stare blankly :D
20:49 wizzyrea          no luck, Space_Librarian?
20:50 schuster          Shane-S - the Bib and Item data will move fairly easily it will be the patron info - probably best to start fresh at the beginning of next school year so you don't have to move over checkouts/fines etc...
20:50 schuster          That makes the data migration easier.
20:50 Space_Librarian   they're still coming up in the holds queue
20:50 wizzyrea          have you rerun the holds queue?
20:50 * wizzyrea        states the (sort of) obvious
20:50 Shane-S           Patrons will be easy, I can export from out Student System for that :P
20:50 Space_Librarian   yup a couple of times now.
20:51 wizzyrea          okies, just checking :)
20:51 wizzyrea          hmmm
20:51 rangi             do they have acutual holds on them? when you look at the records themselves?
20:51 cait              the cronjobs or reloading the page?
20:51 wizzyrea          ^^
20:51 wizzyrea          what cait said
20:51 wizzyrea          reloading the page won't "rerun" the hold queue
20:52 schuster          You deleted the holds and then placed a new hold?
20:52 schuster          stating the obvious to me...  Just because you changed the rule doesn't make it retrospective.
20:52 rangi             you dangled the whositwhatsit with the thingamybobba?
20:52 * rangi           doesnt want to be left out
20:53 Space_Librarian   rangi the hard copies have holds on them, and the report is listing the next available item to pull
20:53 rangi             ahh yeah
20:53 schuster          LOL... tee hee...
20:53 chris_n           whositwhatsit?
20:53 Space_Librarian   cait, I'm rerunning the report.
20:53 rangi             it might need to wait for the next cron run
20:53 rangi             ill tell you when that is
20:53 wizzyrea          yea, the hold queue isn't "dynamic"
20:54 wizzyrea          and schuster has a point
20:54 wizzyrea          the rule won't apply retroactively
20:54 cait              ah makes sense
20:54 wizzyrea          it won't un-list a hold that has already been picked.
20:54 rangi             every hour
20:54 schuster          schuster - not much help doesn't use hold que
20:54 rangi             so give it 8 mins
20:54 rangi             then check the report
20:54 Space_Librarian   Yessir.
20:54 * rangi           crosses his fingers
20:54 Space_Librarian   Man, you guys are so awesome. I've missed you! :D
20:55 Shane-S           well thanks for the help, out of time have non-work RL stuff to do...must leave. You have all helped me make great progress!
20:55 Shane-S           Be back tomorrow to haunt the channel more :)
20:55 Space_Librarian   cya Shane-S :)
20:55 schuster          but if it is already on the hold que the cron will "relook" at the parameters when building the que again?
20:56 wizzyrea          right
20:56 schuster          shows his stupidity in holds.
20:56 wizzyrea          nawwww
20:56 * Space_Librarian ponders BoC for this evening.
20:57 schuster          Beer or Chardonay?
20:57 wizzyrea          I just have questions about holds and circ more than anything else, so I know more about it
20:57 wizzyrea          boards of canada?
20:58 cait              beer and chocolate?
20:58 cait              hm no o
20:58 cait              best of chocolate? :)
20:59 cait              lent-
20:59 cait              lent--
20:59 cait              *sigh*
20:59 schuster          yep...
21:01 Space_Librarian   mmmm. chcoclate
21:04 eternalsword      books or codexes
21:07 Space_Librarian   dagnabit
21:07 sekjal            Buckets of Cheese?
21:08 wizzyrea          no luck?
21:08 Space_Librarian   nope.
21:09 wizzyrea          ok, well, *are* there holds already? Or it lets you place them in the first place?
21:10 rangi             i think the problem as i understand it, is they cant place holds on the ebooks
21:10 rangi             but they show up in the report as the next available
21:10 rangi             is that it?
21:11 wizzyrea          oh this is a record with mixed items?
21:11 * wizzyrea        needs some context, got an opac link?
21:11 wizzyrea          yea, did we ask the first question?
21:11 wizzyrea          the first question?
21:11 wahanui           i heard the first question was "What are you trying to do?"
21:11 rangi             heh
21:15 druthb            wahanui: wizzyrea?
21:15 wahanui           I LIKE SCIENCE!
21:15 druthb            wahanui: druthb?
21:15 wahanui           She finally snapped, like we all knew she would.
21:15 * druthb          nods.
21:15 wizzyrea          pfft
21:15 wizzyrea          I do like science though.
21:16 rangi             mtj?
21:16 wahanui           DeM KraZy NutZ!!
21:16 Space_Librarian   rangi yes: re: next available
21:16 rangi             still the best
21:16 wahanui           somebody said the best was to change from koha-to-marc-mapping so it changes back al frameworks
21:16 Space_Librarian   wizzyrea: yes, mixed items
21:17 wizzyrea          that *still* sounds familiar
21:17 wizzyrea          to me
21:17 Space_Librarian   Stand back! i'm going to attempt Science!
21:17 Space_Librarian   (off tangent)
21:17 wizzyrea          :D
21:17 rangi             so the problem isnt that you can put holds on them, its that the holdsqueue is telling you there is a hold when there isnt?
21:17 Space_Librarian   yes
21:17 Space_Librarian   The holds are on the physical copies
21:17 wizzyrea          i would have to see your rule setup
21:17 Space_Librarian   but, it's telling us to pull the ebooks to fill them
21:18 wizzyrea          the answer is in there
21:18 Space_Librarian   i know it is. but damn it's elusive.
21:19 wizzyrea          another thing that can trip you up
21:19 wizzyrea          is the patron category of the holder
21:19 wizzyrea          sometimes
21:19 wizzyrea          (this is convoluted, bear with me)
21:19 wizzyrea          if you have a rule for a library and you don't have a rule for default for a patron category
21:20 wizzyrea          people in that category can place holds
21:21 Space_Librarian   I have 10 categories... this could be interesting.
21:21 wizzyrea          but that's one that I'd just have to see the rules and fluff it out
21:22 * Space_Librarian plots
21:37 * Space_Librarian rolls a d20
21:38 * druthb          wonders....
21:38 wahanui           wonders is it is too early on Sunday for Koha db questions?  lol
21:38 druthb            wahanui: Space_Librarian?
21:38 wahanui           rumour has it Space_Librarian is a Koha poet or the sweetest lil lady you'll ever know
21:39 Space_Librarian   aw shucks. Is wahanui still spreading those lies? :p
21:40 druthb            truths.
21:40 druthb            waha tells the truth!  :)
21:40 druthb            wahanui: druthb?
21:40 wahanui           She finally snapped, like we all knew she would.
21:40 druthb            see?
21:40 Space_Librarian   good point. :)
21:48 sekjal            @dice 1d20
21:48 huginn            sekjal: 16
21:50 bag               you've got 16 lives left
21:51 sekjal            and I've still got to get through the Fire Swamp!
21:51 druthb            I wonder...
21:51 druthb            @dice 1d13
21:51 huginn            druthb: 4
21:52 druthb            it works, even if you give it something kind of irrational.  Cool.
21:53 sekjal            Koha: the RPG!
21:53 sekjal            (probably a little more sustainable than Koha: the CCG)
21:53 bag               @dice 1d3.1415926535897
21:53 huginn            bag: Error: Dice must be of the form <dice>d<sides>
21:53 Space_Librarian   @dice 1d20
21:53 huginn            Space_Librarian: 5
21:53 Space_Librarian   d'oh
21:53 bag               @dice 1dpie
21:53 huginn            bag: Error: Dice must be of the form <dice>d<sides>
21:54 rangi             you mean like this
21:54 rangi             http://www.chorewars.com/badges/tipaul.png
21:54 * Space_Librarian runs from the fireys
21:56 sekjal            time to catch my bus
21:56 sekjal            later!
21:57 rangi             cya sekjal
21:57 Space_Librarian   ciao sekjal
22:08 Space_Librarian   wizzyrea+++
22:08 cait              wizzyrea++
22:08 cait              sure she deserves it
22:13 magnus_afk        g'night #koha
22:15 Space_Librarian   she fixed my problem. :)
22:15 rangi             yay!
22:15 rangi             wizzyrea++
22:16 cait              documentation! heh
22:18 Space_Librarian   now I've got to redo 39 more ebook records, but hey, at least it's only 39... :D
22:19 wizzyrea          http://www.halolz.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/halolz-dot-com-teamfortress2-pyro-imhelping.jpg
22:19 wizzyrea          cait, that problem is documented on bug 7588
22:19 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7588 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha.sekjal, NEW , adding reserve restrictions after cataloging items can cause non-holdable items to be picked for holds
22:21 Space_Librarian   wizzyrea: yus!
22:32 cait              wizzyrea++ :)
22:51 Brooke            ki aora
22:54 Brooke            @later tell Oak Separation City, Welcome both 2009
22:54 huginn            Brooke: The operation succeeded.
22:56 Space_Librarian   Brooke :D
22:56 Space_Librarian   you'l like this
22:57 Space_Librarian   @dice 1d20
22:57 huginn            Space_Librarian: 15
22:57 * Brooke          is listening.
22:57 Space_Librarian   yus!
22:57 Brooke            @dice 1d6
22:57 huginn            Brooke: 3
22:57 * Space_Librarian turns around and chases fireys back.
22:57 Brooke            @dice 2d6
22:57 huginn            Brooke: 3 and 3
22:57 Space_Librarian   @dice 1d7
22:57 huginn            Space_Librarian: 5
22:58 * Space_Librarian kills a firey with magic missile
22:58 Brooke            "I'm shocked. Shocked to find that gambling is going on in here."
22:58 * Space_Librarian finds this hilarious
22:58 Brooke            @dice 7d10
22:58 huginn            Brooke: Error: You can't roll more than 6 dice.
22:58 Brooke            but, but mah fortitude pool!!!
22:59 Brooke            so who's responsible for the timesink plugin?
22:59 * Brooke          wonders about SmeckBot
22:59 Space_Librarian   no idea, but it's cool.
22:59 Brooke            @smeck space_librarian
22:59 huginn            Brooke: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
23:00 Space_Librarian   oooh. you mean when hell freezes over?
23:00 Space_Librarian   love it.
23:01 Space_Librarian   @smeck Brooke
23:01 huginn            Space_Librarian: I've exhausted my database of quotes
23:02 Space_Librarian   ah huginn I'm so disappointed in you.
23:02 Brooke            he's just a boy bot. Clearly inferior in every fashion to Zoia.
23:02 Space_Librarian   *nods*
23:08 Space_Librarian   @wunder wellington,nz
23:08 huginn            Space_Librarian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 19.0°C (11:00 AM NZDT on February 24, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Rising).
23:09 cait              nice new shiny feature waiting for sign-off
23:09 cait              :P
23:09 cait              and it includes unit tests!
23:10 cait              bug 7576
23:10 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7576 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Add ISSN to SearchForTitleIn
23:10 Space_Librarian   yay cait!
23:11 cait              rangi++
23:11 cait              for helping with the tests and because he is so awesome heh
23:12 Brooke            rangi++
23:14 cait              good night all :)
23:32 rangi             http://stats.workbuffer.org/ircstats/
23:35 bag               hmmm rangi can you move brendan to bag?  or bag to brendan?
23:35 bag               I used to be pretty chatty in channel back in the day - but I'm not so much anymore
23:35 bag               @wunder 93109
23:35 huginn            bag: The current temperature in K6LCM-Westside/Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 23.3°C (3:33 PM PST on February 23, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 30%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.75 in 1007.3 hPa (Steady).
23:35 rangi             what do you prefer?
23:35 bag               up to you  - I miss brendan
23:36 rangi             ill make it brendan then
23:36 bag               @wunder wellington, nz
23:36 huginn            bag: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 19.0°C (12:00 PM NZDT on February 24, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Falling).
23:40 rangi             done
23:40 rangi             i like my new quote
23:41 bag               rangi?
23:41 wahanui           I LIKE ALMONDS! HAVE SOME NUTS!
23:41 bag               that quote rules!!!
23:41 bag               Cause I know the almonds and the story
23:41 rangi             http://stats.workbuffer.org/ircstats/  <-- on here
23:41 bag               I know I'm being :P
23:41 rangi             :)
23:41 bag               oh mines not too bad
23:43 bag               I like the one that says - Kados talks to himself a lot
23:45 rangi             heh