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23:59 Space_Librarian does it work?
23:59 wizzyrea it was a gift
23:59 * wizzyrea has an "edge brownie pan"
23:58 wizzyrea Space_Librarian: we will have to fix that
23:58 wizzyrea regarding brownies
23:58 wizzyrea you know, I don't actually have a preference
23:58 Space_Librarian which I always find entertaining. :)
23:53 * jcamins_away probably shouldn't be allowed around #koha evenings when he's home alone. No work is done, and the entire world is inflicted with a stream-of-consciousness view of his kitchen.
23:52 jcamins_away Yayyy!!!! I found a dish I could bake brownies in! :D
23:51 Space_Librarian Personally, I like middle brownies. But then, I've never actually had genuine American brownies.
23:50 jcamins_away wizzyrea: what is your stance on middle brownies vs. edge brownies?
23:48 jcamins_away Space_Librarian: but aren't the middle brownies tastier?
23:48 jcamins_away lol!
23:48 Space_Librarian jcamins_away http://www.thinkgeek.com/homeoffice/kitchen/a1aa/
23:47 Space_Librarian the cake is a lie!
23:47 jcamins_away Aaugh!
23:47 * jcamins_away realizes that he doesn't have a pan suitable for baking brownies in.
23:46 jcamins_away Mmmm. Brownies.
23:46 jcamins_away My grandmother's oven isn't defective!
23:46 jcamins_away I could make brownies!
23:46 wahanui brownies are a lie.
23:46 jcamins_away Or brownies!
23:46 jcamins_away I'm making cookies today.
23:46 jcamins_away Mmmm. Chocolate.
23:45 Space_Librarian right. chocolate...
23:42 wizzyrea pheh
23:40 jcamins_away Pizzas?
23:40 Space_Librarian boil 'em, mash 'em, put 'em in a stew...
23:39 jcamins_away Alas, I don't have enough tomato sauce for pizza.
23:36 wizzyrea nice!
23:36 jcamins_away Woohoo! My professor really is using Koha in his rare book cataloging course!
23:35 wizzyrea what's taters precious
23:33 Space_Librarian now if only we had taters...
23:32 jcamins_away Myshkin says yum!
23:32 jcamins_away Rabbits? Did someone say rabbits?
23:19 * Space_Librarian zips her lips and sits vewwy still
23:17 wizzyrea shhhh
23:09 Space_Librarian awe yuw hunting wabbits? wizzyrea?
23:04 wizzyrea is vewwy quiet
22:38 wizzyrea lulz
22:37 eythian http://cclblog.wordpress.com/2012/02/17/librarians-get-crabby/
22:18 smeagol aha..thanks, rangi...i thought someone was doing it. i will check.
22:04 rangi smeagol: i think its is part of the holds rewrite, so id check the bugs related to that
22:03 smeagol I just thought maybe it was in the works..
21:55 sekjal okay, folks, I'm out for the night. been a blast.
21:54 Space_Librarian ibeardslee all mine do - but yeah, think of things that have stuck with you for the last couple of decades, and probably won't change in the next...
21:50 ibeardslee trying to find something that has a meaning, and will still have meaning in 10, 20, 30, 40 years time
21:49 Space_Librarian That is just... yeah. wow.
21:49 eythian (that photo is from when it was just done, it probably looks a bit better now)
21:49 ibeardslee nice
21:49 eythian It's the: "All that is gold does not glitter, Not all those who wander are lost." thing
21:48 Space_Librarian *gasp* - now that is something I could live with for the rest of my life...
21:48 eythian https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/s720x720/389181_2519435421500_1121711827_32952541_939130816_n.jpg <-- this may work better
21:47 eythian (don't know if you can see the photo, but you might be able to)
21:47 eythian https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2519435421500&l=368788dbe9 <-- Space_Librarian, a friend of mine got this done recently
21:47 Space_Librarian ooooh! Now there's one that could be awesome.
21:46 rangi how about "Go away or i will eat your face" in black speech ?
21:45 rangi heh
21:44 Space_Librarian maybe I need in in Sindarin that says "stop bothering me" as well... ;)
21:43 Space_Librarian it's my name in Quenyan - okay?! Damnit. :p
21:43 Space_Librarian everybody who passes my desk stops and asks.
21:43 * wizzyrea waits
21:43 wizzyrea so Space_Librarian, tell us about your tattoo
21:43 wizzyrea endless?
21:43 rangi heh
21:43 * Space_Librarian is getting endless queries about her elvish tattoo at work again.
21:42 Space_Librarian my precioussssssss. lol
21:41 smeagol haha..me wants it...me neeeeeeeeds it.....!!!
21:40 rangi if you stop chasing rings all the time and write a patch to do it, then yes :)
21:39 smeagol Is 'reservenumber' ever going to be added to reserves table?
21:35 rangi thanks sekjal
21:34 sekjal scanned the opac for other security risks like 7551; no others detected
21:31 rangi cya oleonard
21:31 oleonard Until then, bye #koha
21:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3516 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Display picture of patrons in OPAC
21:31 * oleonard will submit a patch for Bug 3516 after crossing some T's tomorrow morning
21:26 oleonard Thanks sekjal
21:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7551 blocker, P1 - high, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Any logged-in OPAC user can renew items for others using a properly constructed URL
21:25 sekjal bug 7551 passed QA
21:19 jcamins Yeah, probably.
21:19 oleonard Maybe someone thought that the "XXX" required the #FIXME comment?
21:19 rangi after my time :)
21:19 rangi no idea about that one
21:18 * jcamins wondered that as well.
21:18 * oleonard wonders why line 4673 of updatedatabase.pl says "$DBversion = "3.07.00.013"; #FIXME"
21:16 rangi but thats harder
21:16 rangi yup, eventually i will kill all template->param too
21:16 jcamins Hm. Maybe we should make a mass change, because that does confuse people.
21:15 rangi (it meant you could togggle between C4/Output and .tmpl and C4/Templates and .tt without having to change every single script)
21:13 rangi now the change is all complete that should be safe
21:12 rangi on any scripts you touch
21:12 rangi but feel free to change it to .tt
21:12 rangi things not explode in a huge heap
21:12 rangi it allowed use to migrate and have
21:12 oleonard Okay, so it really does mean something to Koha
21:12 rangi it gets changed to .tt by the C4::Templates
21:12 * jcamins has often wondered that.
21:11 oleonard Another basic question: Why do we still have scripts say stuff like 'template_name => "opac-user.tmpl",' when that obviously doesn't mean anything anymore?
21:11 jcamins oleonard: right.
21:10 rangi to find them
21:10 rangi so you can grep "Bug 2505"
21:10 rangi he added that
21:10 rangi but lots more to do
21:10 rangi then fixed a few too, and uncommented
21:10 rangi and added that
21:10 rangi that didnt have use warnings
21:10 rangi went through every file
21:09 rangi donovan from work
21:09 oleonard So "use warnings" is correct, the comment was added to remind people to fix that file
21:08 rangi that suddenly start occuring
21:08 jcamins That should have been fixed but weren't.
21:08 rangi and fix all the use of initialized variables
21:08 jcamins oleonard: no, there are warnings in the scripts where the line *is* commented out.
21:08 rangi it means someone needs to uncomment use warnings
21:07 oleonard jcamins: You mean there are warning in the scripts where the line isn't commented out?
21:07 sekjal back
21:07 jcamins oleonard: 'cause there are warnings in those scripts.
21:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2505 major, P1 - high, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , enable Perl warnings in all modules and scripts
21:06 oleonard Why do some scripts have "use warnings;" and others have "#use warnings; FIXME - Bug 2505" ?
21:04 Space_Librarian ;)
21:02 * wizzyrea waves her arms "Just kidding! Really!"
21:02 Space_Librarian wizzyrea, you're evil. I like it
21:02 rangi heh
21:01 oleonard There goes our alternate business model of turning Koha into OKCupid
21:01 wizzyrea just once.
21:01 * wizzyrea just wanted to see rangi squirm
21:01 * wizzyrea giggles
21:01 rangi hells no!
21:00 wizzyrea should we offer to let them upload their own :P
21:00 oleonard If we show the patron image in the OPAC next they'll ask us to update their image for them :)
20:57 Space_Librarian :( I'm sure it will be
20:57 rangi atarau is getting his biopsy on wednesday, so nope, but im sure it will be fun :)
20:57 Space_Librarian oleonard - that is fantastic!
20:56 Space_Librarian rangi, I am - and I'm dragging my staff with me - not quite kicking and screaming. Are you?
20:56 rangi Space_Librarian: going to the slis event on wed night?
20:55 jcamins You have the greatest patron image ever.
20:55 jcamins LOL!
20:55 rangi heh
20:55 * wizzyrea giggles.
20:55 oleonard Now that that distraction is taken care of: http://screencast.com/t/mhE6zh9IgnWx
20:44 jcamins Well, he'll have lots of highlights when he gets back.
20:44 wizzyrea fumble lol
20:44 jcamins Oh.
20:44 rangi hes at a meeeting
20:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7551 blocker, P1 - high, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Any logged-in OPAC user can renew items for others using a properly constructed URL
20:44 jcamins sekjal: QA bug 7551?
20:44 wizzyrea sekjal! halp! :)
20:43 rangi 9.40 signed off
20:43 rangi 9.24 patch
20:43 rangi 9.21am report
20:43 cait qa and push missing
20:43 cait report, fix, sign-off?
20:43 rangi we may have broken the record
20:42 rangi excellent
20:42 oleonard Signed off.
20:42 wizzyrea flaming fireballs!
20:41 cait hah rangi++ :)
20:41 wizzyrea rangi++
20:41 rangi oleonard: yay!
20:38 Shane-S Thank you all for the help :P
20:38 Shane-S okay well at least I am in...leave it for another day I am stressed.
20:37 wizzyrea yep
20:37 Shane-S is a user called a Patron even if the admin?
20:35 Shane-S Thanks
20:35 Shane-S can't remember that gibberish :P
20:34 oleonard ...and I can renew for myself. Looks like it's working as it should
20:34 Shane-S in now thanks
20:34 Shane-S clipboard must have copied wrong
20:34 cait and first thing you do is create a real user
20:34 cait Shane-S: you run the webinstaller and then log in again with the same user
20:34 schuster ok so I have 3 branches in my git that I have been working on. I just realized that I crossed one of the branches as I was editing some of the code did work in branch1 then went to branch2 and did some work and also edited the file from branch1.. is this salvageable or do I start over?
20:33 * chris_n gets out the fire extinguisher
20:33 Shane-S grr...got through the setup and now I can't login, I see biblio and authoritative in the xml, but that isn't working, nor did the inital one...do I have to make a login somewhere?
20:33 oleonard Okay, with the patch I can't renew for others. Now let's see if I can renew for myself...
20:27 rangi could go either way
20:27 rangi or it might explode in a ball of flame
20:27 rangi it should ignore the borrowernumber param
20:26 cait rangi++
20:26 rangi i whacked a patch up
20:26 oleonard Sure
20:26 rangi oleonard: if you have a sec
20:25 jcamins Shane-S: nope, just gibberish.
20:25 Shane-S looked like was salted :D
20:25 * cait seconds that
20:25 jcamins Never ever _ever_.
20:25 Shane-S okay :P
20:24 rangi once you create a real user you should never ever log into koha with that user and password again
20:24 rangi its not, look at the username and password at the bottom
20:23 jcamins Shane-S: it's that gibberish you see in koha-conf.xml.
20:23 Shane-S So I have the installer (web) up, but I need a username and password. The XML password looks encrypted, what is the default for kohauser?
20:21 * rangi looks now
20:21 rangi thanks oleonard
20:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7551 blocker, P1 - high, ---, oleonard, NEW , Any logged-in OPAC user can renew items for others using a properly constructed URL
20:21 oleonard Bug 7551
20:19 chris_n perhaps using the built-in webcam
20:19 bag like once you click on the place hold button…
20:19 * chris_n figures retinal scans might fix that issue
20:18 wizzyrea I think so
20:18 bag before the hold is place
20:18 bag sorry
20:18 bag wizzyrea: yup
20:18 bag I want to add some html on that screen
20:18 wizzyrea before or after the hold is submitted?
20:18 bag through JQuery maybe?
20:18 bag Has anyone added a message to the cgi-bin/koha/opac-reserve.pl (on the OPAC) when a patron is placing a hold?
20:18 wizzyrea chris_n: the power of prayer.
20:18 jcamins And it was just rebased this morning, too.
20:17 jcamins Space_Librarian: I know. All it needs is a sign off... hint hint...
20:16 Space_Librarian jcamins - *swoon* - that is going to be awesome!
20:16 chris_n but I suppose that is an exercise for the library using self-co
20:15 * chris_n still wonders what keeps a person from running a self-checkout on someone else's card
20:14 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7284 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Authority matching algorithm improvements
20:14 jcamins Space_Librarian: you may want to look at bug 7284 for your subject linking needs. :D
20:14 wizzyrea nom
20:14 rangi discard the param passed in, and use the borrowernumber from the userenv
20:14 jcamins Space_Librarian: very good idea.
20:14 Space_Librarian jcamins, wizzyrea ina pinch it does work. There's a Belgian chocolate place that will be visited at lunch though...
20:14 rangi most likely an easy fix
20:13 jcamins At least for places that do circulation.
20:13 * jcamins can't look at it, but that's kind of a huge problem.
20:13 * oleonard will do so
20:13 rangi yeah
20:13 rangi right that definitely needs to be fixed fast
20:13 jcamins oleonard: you should report that as a blocker.
20:13 oleonard Tested with a non-admin user
20:12 oleonard rangi: In my test, as long as I'm logged in as a valid user in the OPAC I can renew items for someone else using a properly constructed URL
20:10 wizzyrea but in a pinch, it could work.
20:10 jcamins wizzyrea: there we go. One could want real chocolate. ;)
20:10 wizzyrea chocolate flavored syrup stuff
20:09 wizzyrea well no.
20:09 jcamins wizzyrea: pop tarts don't generally have real chocolate, do they?
20:09 wizzyrea so much better than cow milk ones.
20:09 * wizzyrea was going to make almond milk swedish pancakes this week but just never got to it
20:09 cait heh
20:09 * jcamins doesn't either, but it sounds like a great idea.
20:09 wahanui no is, like, failing unit tests
20:09 wizzyrea no?
20:08 wizzyrea !
20:08 jcamins wizzyrea: you don't put peanut butter on s'mores?!?
20:08 * wizzyrea makes smores in the microwave with marshmallows and nutella
20:08 Space_Librarian thanks wizzyrea! :p
20:08 wizzyrea peanut butter, I guess.
20:08 wizzyrea it's marshmallow, chocolate, and graham, what more could anyone want
20:07 Shane-S peanut butter on them might help ;)
20:07 Space_Librarian I'll rectify the situation when it's not 9am. :)
20:07 Space_Librarian they all I have here for now
20:07 Shane-S yeah that was done from the other tutorial I followed for Ubuntu
20:06 jcamins Space_Librarian: s'mores pop tarts aren't goign to cut it.
20:06 rangi youve done the a2enmod rewrite etc?
20:06 Space_Librarian (dealing with subject headings today)
20:06 * Space_Librarian breaks out the s'mores pop tarts
20:06 Shane-S rangi: thanks, I assume using koha-create --create-db mylibrary is safe once that is done?
20:06 rangi thats definitely a blocker bug if so
20:06 rangi it doesnt use the borrowernumber that you are logged in as?
20:05 ibeardslee I ended up pigging out on a box of chocolates last night
20:05 oleonard Hmm... I see you can renew an item for anyone via the OPAC if you know their borrowernumber and the itemnumber...
20:05 Space_Librarian mmmm. Chocolate.
20:05 jcamins You could generalize the C4::Images class I did.
20:05 jcamins Ah, yeah.
20:05 jcamins Mmmm. Chocolate.
20:05 chris_n actually, the storage and retrieval of images
20:04 Space_Librarian did somebody say chocolate?!
20:04 chris_n :)
20:04 chris_n jcamins_away: fine chocolates maybe?
20:04 Space_Librarian tgif indeed rangi :)
20:04 ibeardslee I can never understand that sentiment .. it's like it should be 'tgim' .. back at work, awesome!
20:04 jcamins_away chris_n: what were we discussing?
20:03 rangi tgif
20:03 rangi hi Space_Librarian
20:02 Space_Librarian o/
20:01 rangi leave out the DEFAULTSQL bit
20:01 rangi that looks very similair to that snippet
20:01 Shane-S ah okay :P
20:01 rangi yep, make one
20:01 Shane-S rangi yep... and "After install, edit /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf with details about your site." I have koha-conf-sites.xml.ini, but not that
20:01 wahanui release maintainer for 3.2, 3.4, and 3.6.
20:01 rangi heya chris_n
20:00 chris_n heya rangi
20:00 * chris_n removes items from bibs
20:00 rangi you have done the apt-get install koha-common eh?
20:00 chris_n 29k bibs and counting... :P
19:59 rangi i bet you are up to that bit
19:59 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian#Quick_Start
19:59 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
19:59 Shane-S I did install it via .deb packages
19:59 rangi if you installed via packages
19:59 rangi you wont
19:59 Shane-S I don't have a koha-httpd.conf file
19:58 rangi and if you installed it using packages, not the Makefile.PL if you did it using the tarball then yes you have to run perl Makefile.PL
19:58 Shane-S I just dont know where http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Lucid_using_Koha_packages has left me
19:58 rangi Shane-S: uses a web based one as well
19:58 rangi http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=kohadocs.git;a=summary yay
19:57 Shane-S *sigh* does Koha use a web-based setup at all or is it all via perl Makefile.PL?
19:51 Shane-S is there a way to tell if Koha is installed...because http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=INSTALL.ubuntu;hb=HEAD has way more to do thenhttp://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Lucid_using_Koha_packages
19:48 sekjal I know it can be done, but it was a pain to fight with
19:48 sekjal so at a per-listener end, then, but I don't believe that bit of config code is accessible during the authentication subroutine
19:47 sekjal I'd argue against globally, since you may want one SIP machine to be barcode-only, but other services like Overdrive or EnvisionWare to require passwords
19:47 sekjal like, at what level should the config be set?
19:46 sekjal I was working on a way to configure that, but ran into some problems
19:46 wahanui rumour has it interesting is sometimes bad or sometimes good
19:46 cait interesting
19:46 sekjal it will only allow the barcode-only auth if no password is defined in the database for that user
19:45 sekjal but Koha is not as forgiving with that
19:45 sekjal some libraries set their SIP-enabled SCO machines to only require barcode, as well
19:41 rangi like corporate libraries
19:41 rangi some places do trust
19:41 rangi yup
19:41 oleonard Ah, I see: either barcode or username/password.
19:41 cait there is a system preference
19:41 cait hm I think we require login?
19:41 oleonard Do we make this assumption because the SCO station supposedly has no keyboard?
19:40 oleonard So... we really do simply *trust* that a self checkout user is who they say they are?
19:40 Syneran Thanks everyone so much for your help! bye now
19:39 nengard PMed cause it was a bit long for paste
19:38 rangi nengard: what is the error you are getting when you do a git pull?
19:37 Shane-S Syneran: subpage here: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Category:Installation ??
19:36 Shane-S can't*
19:36 Shane-S is the apache-shared.conf = koha-httpd.conf ? I can find this apache-shared.conf in an install guide
19:35 rangi i wont try to stop you, but proprietary software holds no interest for me, so probably wont be much help either
19:35 Syneran Alright shane-s. Just need to have some idea where such a document would go
19:34 Syneran e.g., the Schedule::At module doesn't work at all for any windows platform (I hope to remedy that in the near future...already in discussion with the author)
19:33 Shane-S I suck at Linux too :P
19:33 Shane-S *raises hand* I love linux...but I run all Windows Server / 7 here at work
19:32 Syneran while I'm here, is there any interest (in a general way) about the problems faced when installing to windows 7? I'd be glad to document what I've had to do and post it some where for others
19:32 Shane-S grr...I dont have a koha-https.conf in /etc/koha I see apache-shared.conf (few more with dis-,intra-,opac) is it somewhere else?
19:31 Syneran at least i couldn't find one :)
19:30 Syneran perhaps shane-s but i don't think apache for windows has a sites-available directory
19:30 Shane-S WIndows...yeah...think 7 have a symlink feature now though
19:29 Shane-S Syneran: I was told that is so Apache 1 by someone in #Apache on irc.freenode.net so I havelearned to symlink :P
19:29 Syneran well...that's what I had to do on windows cuz there's no equivalant to the a2 cmds
19:28 Syneran add the line Include {pathTo}/koha-httpd.conf into apache httpd.conf (at the end)
19:28 nengard need some git help - i can't push to the 3.6 manual - i tried doing a reset to HEAD, that didn't work, how do i pull an updated branch?
19:28 sekjal Shane-S: ah, so you'll need to symlink the koha-httpd.conf from your install directory to /etc/apache2/sites-available
19:28 Shane-S well i guess symlink versus copy
19:27 Shane-S is there a koha conf I cna copy or do I manually make it
19:27 Shane-S sekjal: Site koha doesn't exist, and etc/apache2/sites-available is now empty (no default files)
19:27 Syneran erm, so, things seem to be working for me (now that I modified biblio.pm)...thanks everyone
19:26 Shane-S kk let me give that a try, ty
19:25 sekjal and then restart apache to reload these modified configurations
19:25 Shane-S sekjal: AH! that second line is missing from the tutorial
19:25 sekjal also be sure your apache2/ports.conf has a Listen 8080 line
19:25 Shane-S I followed http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Lucid_using_Koha_packages for the most part (change the sources.list to use squeeze versus squeeeze-dev
19:24 sekjal Shane-S: usually you need "sudo a2dissite default" then "sudo a2ensite koha"
19:23 Shane-S I got Koha installed, but nothing it showing up at localhost:8080 and localhost just has the default "It Works!" How do I get Koha as a recognized Apache site?
19:23 Syneran lemme change it to "".
19:23 Syneran interestingly, post query that field looks nothing like the default value i gave it.
19:23 sekjal this would just be a crutch get to Win 7 (and perhaps other OS's) to get to that point
19:23 cait ok
19:23 sekjal cait: I think marcxml gets populated later in the AddBiblio subroutine
19:22 sekjal since it's not NULL
19:22 sekjal I think empty string would be acceptable
19:22 sekjal better to use ""
19:22 cait all the important information goes into that field.... I highly doubt it will work
19:22 cait that will not work
19:22 Syneran what I don't know, is <x></x> a really bad idea as a default value?
19:21 Syneran in other words, I added $biblioitem->{'marcxml'} = "<x></x>" unless defined( $biblioitem->{'marcxml'} ); then added the marcxml field to the query
19:21 Syneran so, I "fixed" the query in _koha_add_biblioitem to set a default value to the marcxml field if that field is undef on the $biblioitem object, and the request worked.
19:20 sekjal Syneran: being installed on Win 7 is a big enough difference that issues like this could easily crop up. Perhaps the way MySQL works on Win 7 is just different enough to cause problems like this
19:19 Syneran why i am getting an error?
19:19 sekjal almost everyone here is installed on Linux (the vast majority being Debian, I believe)
19:19 sekjal that would explain why
19:19 sekjal Syneran: very interesting
19:18 Syneran <ducks> am i gonna get egged now ;)
19:18 Syneran ok. well...that is certainly fair cait :) this installation is unusual in that it's on windows 7
19:16 cait more a problem with your installation
19:16 cait I don't think it#s a bug
19:16 rangi yeah i have libraries in production with 3.6.3 and they havent run into this
19:15 cait still wondering what's going wrong in your installation
19:15 cait Syneran: not sure about the code
19:14 Syneran cait: any idea how that field gets populated? the _koha_add_biblioitem doesn't make any reference to that field in it's query (that I can tell, anyway)
19:12 cait Syneran: a record needs a marcxml field
19:10 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
19:09 janPasi ok, thanks :)
19:09 liw janPasi, yeah, the latest stable version is almost certainly the best for your purposes
19:08 janPasi the latest stable?
19:08 janPasi which version should I choose?
19:08 janPasi I was wondering about this debian stuff...
19:08 Syneran i don't see how that execute() function could ever work if it doesn't provide some value for the marcxml field. the database does't seem to allow it
19:05 Syneran Graphics::Magick, Net::Server, Gravatar::URL, DBD::SQLite2
19:03 Syneran there are four that are not installed, though it was my understanding from koha_perl_deps that they were optional
19:03 cait something red there?
19:02 Syneran more > koha has a perl modules tab. It has a table of dependencies.
19:02 sekjal wizzyrea: done
19:01 nengard heh
19:01 wizzyrea it would not be the first time the two were confused.
19:01 nengard I'll put it in the manual, but it says self checkout - that could be assumed to be Koha's self check
19:01 wizzyrea go right ahead
19:01 nengard we might want to make that clearer
19:01 wizzyrea only for SIP
19:01 nengard the new AllowItemsOnHoldCheckout preference - is that only for self checkouts?
19:00 cait Syneran: you can find a table showing some of the dependencies under more > about koha
19:00 wizzyrea maybe you're missing a dependency?
18:59 cait we are using 3.6.3 in production and adding items and records works nicely there
18:59 wizzyrea sekjal should we change 3916 to "in disscussion"
18:59 rangi My stop bbiab
18:59 cait I wonder what's going wrong for you :(
18:58 Syneran I'm wondering if the execute() should handle the marcxml field somehow?
18:56 Syneran thanks rangi
18:56 rangi It won't it needs biblioitems too
18:56 sekjal Syneran: what fields are you filling in when cataloging the new material?
18:56 Syneran If I use the search feature, nothing shows up, though
18:54 Syneran biblio DOES have the item in it!
18:54 nengard how do i pull a branch in git? the manual says it's out of date on my 3.6 branch, but every command i try failes
18:54 rangi What about biblio?
18:54 sekjal hmmm
18:53 Syneran Yes, sekjal. Using the mysql client, that table is completely empty (the biblioitems table)
18:52 sekjal Syneran: you can confirm the information isn't getting saved in the database
18:52 Syneran i was "cataloging"...so is that trying to enter a bibliographic record?
18:52 Syneran i'm not sure...by that, I mean I'm not certain of the terminology (forgive me!)
18:51 cait Syneran: you added a bibliographic record first?
18:51 Syneran the item is not being added to the biblioitems table
18:51 sekjal Syneran: are you finding that the item doesn't get a cataloged at all, or just that you're getting errors in your log
18:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3264 major, P2, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Uncloning a dropdown list in MARC authorities/biblio editor may clear all subfields (see comment 17)
18:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6718 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , No manager_id saved for writeoff of fines
18:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7018 critical, P5 - low, ---, henridamien, Pushed to Master , need all acq permissions to search
18:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7545 blocker, P1 - high, ---, nengard, Pushed to Master , can't edit items
18:50 jenkins_koha * m.de.rooy: Bug 3264 UnCloneField() / minus button in MARC editor can clear all subfields (authorities AND biblio)
18:50 jenkins_koha * maxime.pelletier: Bug 6718 No manager_id saved for writeoff fines.
18:50 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 7018 - need all acq permissions to search
18:50 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 7545: Can't edit items
18:50 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #630: SUCCESS in 48 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/630/
18:49 Syneran does the marcxml get automagically generated at some point in the processing of an add item request?
18:49 Syneran the schema for biblioitems seems to require something for the marcxml column...otherwise adding a row gets rejected
18:48 wizzyrea oh never mind, it's the same one for additems.
18:48 wizzyrea in master.
18:48 wizzyrea though I just found another bareword error ><
18:47 sekjal just into biblioitems.marc
18:47 sekjal that subroutine doesn't insert anything into biblioitems.marcxml
18:47 Syneran that's what it seems like to me, as well, sekjal
18:46 sekjal this is taking place in _koha_add_biblioitem, which is a private subroutine for AddBiblio
18:46 Syneran since it's a toy, and not something marc records are accustomed too...are there any steps i should take to account for a non-standard item?
18:46 sekjal reading the code, it doesn't seem like a frameworks error
18:46 Syneran ok...i'll give it a try
18:45 wizzyrea maybe it's a prblem in the kits framework
18:45 wizzyrea hm try wit hthe default framework?
18:45 Syneran then followed "Kits" in framework drop-down
18:44 Syneran from mainpage.pl, i went to followed link for "add marc record"
18:43 Syneran and it's a toy, hehe...so I'm trying to add as a "kit"
18:43 Syneran i'm actually trying to add first item into catalog
18:43 Syneran so i may have messed it up
18:42 Syneran and i don't know much about marc records
18:42 Syneran no, i haven't edited frameworks
18:42 wizzyrea have you edited your frameworks?
18:42 wizzyrea perhaps you nuked a field you shouldn't have out of your framework
18:42 cait what steps?
18:42 cait Syneran: and how are you trying to catalog the item?
18:41 wizzyrea hey rangi :)
18:41 wizzyrea oh poo, opendns is canceling "Free" usage for all but home users
18:41 Syneran 3.06.03
18:41 cait oh
18:41 sekjal cait: jinx
18:41 cait which verison did you install?
18:41 sekjal Syneran: what version of Koha?
18:40 Syneran catalog an item
18:40 cait Syneran: what are you trying to do when that error shows up?
18:40 Syneran method executing [sql] not xml :/
18:40 mbalmer re koha
18:40 Syneran The method that is executing the xml doesn't seem to include a value for marcxml, yet, it's specified as not null (with no allowed default value) in kohastructure.sql
18:39 cait morning rangi
18:39 rangi Sup crackalackas
18:39 Syneran Field 'marcxml' doesn't have a default value at Biblio.pm line 3454
18:38 Syneran Thanks! my error log is producing this error:
18:38 wizzyrea ;)
18:38 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #145: "Don't ask to ask, just ask!" (added by wizzyrea at 02:37 PM, July 07, 2011)
18:38 wizzyrea @quote get 145
18:38 huginn wizzyrea: 7 found: #117: "<druthb> basking ? You bask on the beach...one...", #126: "<rangi> The beauty of Koha is we develop in the...", #13: "<atz> ricardo: ask and ye shall receive.......", #145: "Don't ask to ask, just ask!", #155: "libsysguy: I always hate touching somebody...", #45: "<CGI988> sekjal - you are a genious!!!!! asking...", and #4: "< kf> I often get asked: You have to study to..."
18:38 wizzyrea @quote search ask
18:37 wizzyrea :)
18:37 wizzyrea go ahead Syneran
18:37 Syneran I'm having a problem with install. Would this be the right place to bring it up? or should I post some where else?
18:37 Syneran Heya all. I'm new to IRC, in general, and this chat in particular.
18:37 cait wizzyrea++
18:34 * cait thinks community Koha is very fancy :)
18:33 sekjal schuster: no they're on straight community Koha
18:32 wizzyrea schuster: I suspect they created those lists by hand with the name Reserve: Profname
18:32 francharb see ya
18:32 schuster OK so it isn't anything new and fancy...
18:32 francharb no more work for today!
18:32 sekjal and then create a News entry (manually) each semester to highlight them as shown
18:32 oleonard sekjal: Is that hard-coded into opacmainuserblock?
18:32 sekjal schuster: they use Lists
18:31 cait and hide all routing list things when the system preference is deactivated
18:31 cait I think it would make sense to be able to print, but not change them
18:31 cait serials: if I don't have routing permission, should i still be able to print routing lists?
18:31 cait I have a permission quesiton
18:31 cait oh
18:30 schuster so how did marlboro get the reserves lists setup? interesting...
18:30 oleonard edveal: http://www.screencast.com/t/9YoJiZUPc
18:30 wizzyrea there might be more i'm still looking :P
18:30 wizzyrea that went into opacusercss
18:30 pastebot "wizzyrea" at 99.109.57.55 pasted "for edveal" (32 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/261
18:28 wizzyrea let me see if I can find what I did
18:28 wizzyrea edveal - I was able to restyle the buttons with css3 by hiding the images
18:28 sekjal oleonard++ (CSS3 is a great idea for those buttons. checkout catalog.marlboro.edu for an example, if you need)
18:27 edveal I like the idea of the patch! Would make my life much easier! :)
18:25 * oleonard inadvertently joins IRC channel #E3DB71
18:25 oleonard Or maybe I should spend the afternoon on a patch to style those buttons with CSS3... :P
18:24 edveal oleonard: that would be great. Here is the color code for the background #E3DB71.
18:23 oleonard ...and send it to you.
18:23 oleonard edveal: I can easily modify the cart/list button background image to make the corners match the color you want
18:22 edveal oleonard: darn.
18:22 oleonard edveal: I'm not a Gimp expert, but I think it may not be able to export the right kind of PNG image...
18:21 edveal oleonard: I also want to remove the blue outline from the Koha image. I know how to switch the image but not how to edit it.
18:20 Syneran Anyone have any experience with "DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Field 'marcxml' doesn't have a default value" from biblio.pm (when cataloging an item)?
18:18 edveal Yes, I have opened the photoshop file and it when right to gimp.
18:17 oleonard edveal: Did you try opening the Photoshop file from my blog post?
18:16 chris_n bbl
18:15 chris_n ?
18:15 chris_n and then they pay
18:14 chris_n keep them
18:14 chris_n does it also follow that I can put anyone's card number in and check books out to them
18:14 * oleonard fires up Gimp
18:14 chris_n oleonard: sounds buggy to me
18:14 chris_n gmcharlt: lol
18:12 edveal I have a different background color and it looks funny?
18:12 edveal I am working on fixing the blue border.
18:11 oleonard edveal: Certainly. What are you trying to do?
18:11 * gmcharlt suffers a brief moment of existential crisis
18:11 edveal oleonard: I don't have much experience with graphic programs and only have access to Gimp and was wanting to work on the cart/list buttons. I read your blog but don't quite get what I need to do. Might you provide me some assistance?
18:11 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #184: "slef: IF YOU STARE TOO DEEPLY INTO MARC21, MARC21 STARES BACK INTO YOU!" (added by wizzyrea at 06:58 PM, January 30, 2012)
18:11 gmcharlt @quote random
18:10 oleonard That sound like a bug to anyone else?
18:10 oleonard Hmmmm... You can put in anyone's cardnumber and view their patron image in self-checkout
18:09 chris_n gmcharlt: we miss huginn
18:08 chris_n I think jcamins and I had a similar discussion recently
18:08 chris_n then it could be called from anywhere
18:08 chris_n really the functionality needs to be moved off to a pm
18:07 * chris_n seems to recall having this discussion long ago
18:07 chris_n ahh, yup, to avoid permissions issues
18:06 oleonard Instead it looks like we need to adapt sco-patron-image.pl for the opac
18:05 oleonard The patch attached to that bug (which was written by nengard) calls patronimage.pl in the staff client
18:04 chris_n am I missing what you're getting at?
18:04 chris_n rangi's patch does it right
18:04 chris_n nm
18:04 chris_n oh
18:04 chris_n oleonard: so what is that bug for?
18:03 chris_n in this case I'm not sure
18:03 chris_n exactly
18:03 wahanui interesting is sometimes bad or sometimes good
18:03 chris_n interesting
18:02 chris_n oleonard: looking
18:02 jenkins_koha Starting build #630 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
18:02 chris_n descriptive var names are another nice thought
18:01 sekjal and we can then correspondingly move to an HTML5-based template to take advantage of new data
18:01 oleonard chris_n: I assumed from the comments on Bug 3516 that it didn't (then), but I think that was a misunderstanding
18:00 sekjal part of our move to the Koha:: namespace could be consistent data objects with well-defined fields
18:00 chris_n it avoided a nasty file system permission issue which the general consensus stated was needful to avoid at the time I wrote the feature
17:59 chris_n oleonard: yes
17:59 chris_n and the marc editor is particularly gnarly iirc
17:59 oleonard Did the patron images feature always store images in the database?
17:58 slef sort of dirty work I did a little of ages ago that no-one ever wants to pay for and disrupts all outstanding patches
17:58 wizzyrea some of that is caused by the automated translation from htp to tt
17:58 chris_n consistent naming... now there's a novel idea
17:58 slef when your right hand is not off-by-one
17:58 slef refactoring even
17:58 slef refactirubg work
17:57 wizzyrea nice
17:57 wizzyrea yes, holy wow yes that would be so nie
17:57 oleonard that would require that we be consistent with regard to variable names :P
17:56 chris_n something to map vars from templates all the way back to db fields, etc.
17:56 chris_n re paul's email to the list
17:56 wizzyrea what do you mean
17:56 wizzyrea nomenclature cheat sheet?
17:56 cait !
17:56 * cait misses a whole day
17:55 * chris_n wishes there were such a thing as a nomenclature cheat-sheet for koha
17:53 oleonard Myshkin is asleep on it
17:53 chris_n must be where ever mine is
17:53 * chris_n looks around for it
17:52 schuster where did my morning go... drat
17:52 wizzyrea (and it may be that the tests are broken now, too)
17:52 schuster made me nervous there for a minute.. That was an "enhancement" we put forward 3+ years ago1
17:52 wizzyrea or at least, it did in mine, but it might be due to my data possibly
17:51 wizzyrea paul_p: that patch causes some problems in the tests for serials
17:51 * chris_n can believe that some may need such assurance
17:51 cait sorry, i missed the questoin :(
17:51 schuster great in schools... That is you right...
17:51 * cait concentrates on her dinner again
17:51 cait oh
17:51 chris_n photo-id maybe?
17:51 * chris_n wonders why patrons would want to look at a picture of themselves while executing a self-checkout
17:51 * oleonard wonders how that relates to Bug 3516
17:51 oleonard You're right schuster, thanks
17:50 cait I think so the patron will see if he is himself? not sure :)
17:50 cait you can show them in the self check
17:50 cait if oyu use patron images
17:50 schuster ShowPatronImageInWebBasedSelfCheck ?
17:49 cait or it will probably have to be rebased again :(
17:49 sekjal paul_p: going to have to come back to this after lunch, though... getting too hungry to think straight
17:49 cait 7113 would be nice...
17:49 schuster I think there is a second one... just a sec
17:49 oleonard schuster: For the staff client. As far as I know it doesn't apply to self checkout
17:48 schuster oleonard - isn't there a syspref?
17:48 paul_p wizzyrea no problem
17:47 wizzyrea paul_p: I"m going to squash 7545 if that's ok
17:46 sekjal paul_p: that sounds reasonable
17:45 oleonard Is there a patch or bug for adding patron images to self checkout?
17:45 paul_p sekjal if you could concentrate on QAing biblibre patches, I think i and/or joubu will be able to deal with others tomorrow
17:45 paul_p fortunatly, tomorrow i'll be available for all the day.
17:44 paul_p and it's almost 7PM...
17:44 paul_p well, now i've 20 patches to test & push...
17:44 paul_p wizzyrea++
17:44 paul_p sekjal++
17:44 wizzyrea paul_p: i'm working on that right now
17:43 paul_p if you pass QA the 24 that are still waiting today i'll accept your apologizes :o)
17:43 sekjal I'm finally getting settled at my new job, so I had some time today to throw at QA work
17:43 sekjal paul_p: sorry for letting such a backlog build.
17:41 paul_p good job sekjal & marcelr & joubu
17:40 paul_p (18 today)
17:40 paul_p wow... 20 bugs passed QA recently...
17:40 chris_n is a bug that has been around too long
17:40 chris_n DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Data too long for column 'isbn' at row 1 at /home/cnighswonger/Repositories/koha.3.2.labels//C4/Biblio.pm line 3378.
17:40 chris_n this:
17:40 paul_p if someone could signoff bug 7545, Koha would thank you : atm, serials module is badly broken...
17:39 * oleonard isn't sure my pony would be up to a 10-mile gallop each way
17:38 chris_n just think of the gas you'd save getting to work
17:38 chris_n yup; and food and hay
17:38 * wizzyrea thinks that the pony would also need a saddle
17:38 chris_n I suppose then that oleonard cannot be expected to pony-up?
17:37 * wizzyrea recognizes that one is a 123
17:37 wizzyrea hehe
17:36 chris_n or is that specie
17:36 chris_n oleonard: that's in the horse family rather than the bug family
17:36 * wizzyrea thinks that it is a definite bugfix to get oleonard a pony
17:36 * chris_n is trying to find time to get 3.6.4 cherry-picked :-P
17:36 oleonard What if I think it's a problem that I don't have a pony?
17:35 chris_n imho
17:35 chris_n but if it fixes a problem it is a bug even if it is an enh
17:35 chris_n having what is really a bug labeled as enh
17:35 * chris_n finds that is a not-so-uncommon occurrence
17:34 wizzyrea but it's labeled as enhancement
17:34 wizzyrea certainly it fixes a perceived "bug"
17:34 * sekjal has QA'ed up a storm. time for lunch
17:33 wizzyrea well NEKLS would like it to, but I don't know if it's a feature or a bugfix.
17:32 chris_n should it go into 3.6.4?
17:32 chris_n where's huginn when you need it?
17:31 chris_n wizzyrea: I don't recall.. I can't remember...
17:29 oleonard http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7090
17:29 wizzyrea chris_n did I already ask you about bug 7090 and 3.6.4?
17:28 oleonard An oversight, or just the way that library's policy worked?
17:28 francharb they may have open up a bugzilla tix
17:28 cait the reneals
17:28 cait I think it's out of scope
17:28 francharb and patched it
17:28 cait oleonard: they block circulation of new books instaff
17:28 francharb one of our library complain about it
17:28 francharb apparently not
17:28 francharb humm
17:28 oleonard I would think that OverduesBlockCirc should be blocking opac renewals already
17:26 francharb something like : OverduesBlockCirc but for the opac renewals
17:26 francharb but I think there should be a syspref to block patron from renewal on overdue books too
17:25 francharb renewalls limit
17:25 francharb to overide
17:25 francharb a syspref
17:25 francharb there is an option
17:25 cait but not sure
17:25 francharb I think so too
17:25 cait I think we have an option for 'over amount x can't renew'
17:25 cait and should be an option
17:25 cait I think it can't
17:24 oleonard I don't know that Koha can do that...
17:23 francharb yes
17:23 oleonard francharb: You think that if it's overdue one should not be able to renew?
17:23 francharb but thanks oleonard for the answer!
17:23 francharb it seems strange to me, that even if you allow renewals and set up rules, a patron can renew a book with overdues
17:22 * wizzyrea suspects that oleonard v2 is already done with production, and undergoing a growth cycle at the moment. They changed the name though.
17:22 oleonard You can set renewal limits (only renew X number of times)
17:21 francharb depends on what? if you allow renewals or not and if there are renewals rules, right?
17:20 oleonard Depends on a few things, but generally yes francharb
17:20 francharb can a patron renew a book if it's an overdue book?
17:19 wahanui niihau, francharb
17:19 francharb hi
17:15 wizzyrea hehe
17:15 oleonard Good, because I don't have another upgrade due for a while
17:14 * wizzyrea is annoyed at chrome, not at oleonard
17:13 wizzyrea oh passwords, that makes so much sense. <eyeroll>
17:13 wizzyrea I suspect you're right
17:12 oleonard s/be/bet
17:12 oleonard I'll be Chrome isn't clever enough to tell the difference between the Koha login form and the patron entry form
17:11 oleonard wizzyrea: Did you find it? Preferences -> Personal stuff -> Passwords.
17:05 cait that would have been to easy I guess?
17:04 cait oh :(
17:04 wizzyrea yea
17:04 oleonard I think auto-fill is different than auto-suggest
17:03 cait wizzyrea: perhaps there is something we can add to the field to prevent autofilling? like we did for the barcode fields?
17:03 gaetan_B bye!
17:03 wizzyrea where to clear that
17:03 wizzyrea is that I don't see, in chrome
17:03 wizzyrea but what *is* interesting
17:03 * oleonard swings, but the trout escapes
17:01 wizzyrea commence the trout slapping
17:01 wizzyrea it looks like my browser is autofilling it :( sorry
16:59 * oleonard readies a trout
16:59 wizzyrea ok, you may be able to slap me with a trout
16:58 oleonard Is it a javascript alert?
16:55 wizzyrea or intranetusercss
16:55 wizzyrea nothing in intranetuserjs
16:54 wizzyrea I don't think so but I will double check - seems odd that it would autopopulate with the generated cardnumber though
16:54 oleonard No custom javascript? Not browser-based auto-population?
16:54 wizzyrea right
16:53 oleonard wizzyrea: Before submission? In the otherwise blank entry form?
16:53 wizzyrea if anyone has an open solution suggestion I'm willing to take it (for that)
16:53 * wizzyrea curses at the lack of decent screencasting for linux.
16:52 chris_n ^^ for anyone interested in misc harmless errors during upgrade
16:52 wizzyrea and who knows what password
16:52 wizzyrea no, they are autopopulating with the generated cardnumber
16:52 pastebot "chris_n" at 63.162.197.228 pasted ""We are upgrading from Koha 3.03.00.003 to 3.06.03.000..." errors" (10 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/260
16:51 oleonard wizzyrea: Sorry to ask, but you're sure there's nothing in the username/password fields before saving?
16:51 wizzyrea @quote add ***oleonard mutters, 'what do you mean there's already a Han Solo registered?'
16:50 * chris_n goes for another "We are upgrading from Koha 3.03.00.003 to 3.06.03.000..." run
16:50 * oleonard mutters, 'what do you mean there's already a Han Solo registered?'
16:48 wizzyrea later :)
16:48 mveron good bye everyone
16:47 wizzyrea )
16:47 wizzyrea (bye
16:47 mbalmer bye folks, see you on the other side!
16:47 wizzyrea I can make it do it every time
16:47 wizzyrea it says "the following fields are mandatory: the passwords entered do not match"
16:46 * wizzyrea is using chrome on linux
16:46 wizzyrea maybe a chrome thing?
16:46 wizzyrea it appeared before
16:45 oleonard The *** in the password field appeared after you tried to save?
16:45 * oleonard still can't reproduce
16:44 wizzyrea so it shouldn't be anthing out of the ordinary
16:44 wizzyrea this DB came from the sample data + some bibs.
16:43 wizzyrea should be standard.
16:43 wizzyrea minpasswordlength set to 3...
16:42 wizzyrea required, I mean
16:42 wizzyrea this is my defaults: zipcode|surname|cardnumber
16:42 wizzyrea hmmm
16:41 oleonard Me too
16:41 wizzyrea DO
16:41 wizzyrea mine's set to                                                                                       Do
16:41 wizzyrea do you have automembernum set
16:41 wizzyrea ah oleonard
16:41 oleonard I have autoMemberNum set to "Do"
16:40 wizzyrea not sure... let me check my preferences
16:38 oleonard I wonder what's different
16:38 * oleonard is able to save just fine
16:36 wizzyrea letme double check that
16:36 wizzyrea just surname and zip
16:36 oleonard What required fields do you have defined?
16:36 wizzyrea when i clicked save, it told me my passwords didnt match
16:36 oleonard wizzyrea: And you were blocked from saving?
16:33 wizzyrea and ther were 4 stars in the 1st password box
16:33 wizzyrea the login, I mean
16:33 wizzyrea in my case it was populated with the auto generated card number?
16:33 wizzyrea )
16:33 wizzyrea (or whatever the affirmative button says
16:33 chris_n interesting: http://www.unixmen.com/linuxmint-vs-ubuntu-a-growth-analysis/
16:33 wizzyrea was create a new patron, put in the required fields, do nothing to the login/password, and click Save
16:32 wizzyrea well what I did
16:32 oleonard wizzyrea, if you're still around, any suggestions about testing Bug 7549?
16:31 jcamins cait: yes please. :)
16:31 cait jcamins: do you want a photo? :)
16:26 cait but the one I tasted didn't taste too different
16:26 cait ended up eating the normal potatoes
16:26 cait I didn't eat them yesterday
16:25 jcamins Do they taste like regular potatoes?
16:25 jcamins More violet potatoes?
16:25 * cait is peeling violet potatos
16:22 mbalmer cait, mveron learning about IRC ;)
16:22 jcamins cait: Myshkin fell asleep in my lapt, putting my legs to sleep, and making it difficult for me to eat lunch before I leave.
16:22 * mveron thanks mbalmer for IRC smiling instructions
16:22 wizzyrea can you reschedule?
16:22 wizzyrea hm that may not be long enough for myshkin's nap
16:22 cait what did I miss? :)
16:21 * mbalmer things, mveron should to be told about /me ...
16:21 jcamins I need to leave in forty minutes. Myshkin has climbed into my lap and fallen sound asleep.
16:20 wizzyrea (he's getting better)
16:20 * mbalmer and smiles
16:20 wizzyrea but ultimately conquered by the little man
16:20 * mbalmer looks at mveron..
16:20 oleonard :(
16:20 wizzyrea possibly the most alarming influenza/pneumonia thing we've seen yet.
16:19 wizzyrea *nods* you know the drill :)
16:19 * oleonard sends Popsicles
16:19 wizzyrea er, s/day/week/
16:19 * wizzyrea has been home with a sick kid all day
16:19 wizzyrea stupid guest.
16:18 wizzyrea hmm I'm not sure
16:16 oleonard mveron: You have to use some combination of item type and patron category. Koha doesn't have any circulation limitations based on age or rating
16:14 mveron How can we prevent under aged patrons to check out such media without using tons patron categories?
16:14 mveron We have media rated by different age, e.g. 12, 14, 15 years old.
16:11 oleonard A system pref I'm not aware of?
16:11 oleonard wizzyrea: I'm looking at Bug 7549 (http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7549) but I don't know where the auto generated user name and passwords are coming from
16:10 * oleonard glares at Guest2198
16:10 * wizzyrea waves
16:07 reiveune bye
16:00 oleonard A system pref I'm not aware of?
16:00 oleonard I'm looking at Bug 7549 (http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7549) but I don't know where the auto generated user name and passwords are coming from
15:58 jcamins So she doesn't feel like she wasted the effort.
15:58 * jcamins makes a snarky comment about her.
15:58 jcamins lol
15:57 oleonard She changes her nick to see if we talk about her behind her back
15:57 jcamins Yeah, probably is.
15:57 jcamins Ah.
15:56 oleonard I'm assuming it's wizzyrea
15:56 jcamins Who's Guest2198?
15:56 oleonard Guest2198 around?
15:55 jcamins Well, I don't know where he was, but he must've been pretty close to the closet where we keep his food.
15:54 oleonard When I had cats they would get a crazed look in their eyes around tuna
15:53 kf ok, leaving - bye all!
15:53 kf don't tell him
15:53 kf sssh
15:53 jcamins Or, at least, pretend he's feeding Myshkin more.
15:53 oleonard Or open a can of tuna?
15:53 * jcamins goes to feed Myshkin more.
15:53 jcamins I was actually just thinking I should do that.
15:52 jcamins kf: lol
15:52 kf jcamins: shake the package with the dried cat food?
15:51 jcamins But I'd like to know where he is.
15:50 jenkins_koha * robin: Bug 7238 - make packages deal with SIP config
15:50 jenkins_koha * juan.sieira: Previous and next functions are not used, since this code was removed from mas_subfields_structure.pl
15:50 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 7080 - Revised - Clean up interface on fine payment screens
15:50 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #629: SUCCESS in 47 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/629/
15:49 jcamins (and gone into hiding so he wouldn't get in trouble for it)
15:49 jcamins (and when I came home, he had opened the basement door)
15:48 jcamins Oh, he's in hiding because he knows he isn't allowed into the basement.
15:48 kf where did you loose him?
15:48 kf myshkin is missing??
15:48 jcamins What a nuisance.
15:47 jcamins Myshkin is missing.
15:47 kf for unimarc-to-marc21
15:46 kf but it seems to work well enough
15:46 kf I haven't looked at it - could be too traumatic :)
15:43 mbalmer yes.
15:43 kf I think the unimarc to marc21 is based on work from biblibre
15:43 mbalmer … file is crazy ;)
15:43 kf so we should fix it and make it go in
15:43 mbalmer he who wrote that XSLT fk
15:43 kf it is super-cool
15:43 slef cool, looks like facebook spam's been deleted already
15:42 mbalmer bug 6536
15:42 jcamins Isn't it super-cool? :)
15:42 mbalmer yes
15:42 jcamins Are we talking about marcelr's super-cool Z39.50/SRU processing patch?
15:41 mbalmer a, found it.
15:41 mbalmer hmm, I don't find that xsl file..
15:41 slef jcamins_away: said wise words
15:40 jcamins_away slef: what did I do?
15:40 slef jcamins_away++
15:39 * slef goes to see if someone else has removed it
15:39 slef oh wow. Did someone really post a whitney scam link to koha's facebook page?
15:38 jcamins_away I loathe driving, bu it sure can be convenient to have a car at times.
15:37 kf it's all in the comments on the bug
15:37 kf mbalmer: a working unimarc to marc21 xslt is needed to make it move forward
15:37 mbalmer what is that problem?
15:37 kf mbalmer: it's only stuck because there is a problem with unimarc :(
15:37 oleonard Re-educating him on the new Bugzilla statuses
15:36 slef oleonard: lobotomy?
15:36 mbalmer perfect!
15:36 kf mbalmer: yes, you can define one for each z39.50 target
15:36 * oleonard hopes huginn is offline for re-education
15:35 slef gmcharlt: could you restart huginn please?
15:34 kf slef: on vacation? I hoped for gmcharlt to show up
15:34 wahanui huginn is a bot too veera, not a person
15:34 slef where's huginn?
15:34 kf yes
15:34 kf a description with test plan is on the wiki
15:34 kf it's included in the sru bug :)
15:34 mbalmer can the stylesheet be defined on a per server base?
15:33 kf bug 6536
15:33 kf slef,mveron: I tested with some easay transformations, it works great, there is only a problem with the unimarc stylesheet
15:33 mbalmer that sounds like what we are looking for.
15:33 slef kf: got link?
15:33 kf slef: also interesting for you too perhaps, allows applying a stylesheet to incoming marc21 records via z39.50
15:32 kf mveron: there is an enhancement waiting for some more tests
15:32 * oleonard finds it strange that the border and background don't wrap the same way the text does
15:28 slef but I guess they can just set 0 other-people's tags
15:28 slef but yours isn't bad... doesn't solve for screen readers though, you're right
15:28 slef lets you guess the clickable area more easily
15:28 slef no I meant as well on the blue on whites
15:27 oleonard You would prefer a border to the white-on-blue?
15:26 slef oleonard: are the blue-on-white ones the other tags? If so, dotted border would work.
15:24 slef oleonard: I think in the past we've resorted to having global/user/combined tag clouds, but that's not great.
15:24 slef oleonard: colour combined with dotted underline?
15:24 * oleonard considered this, but that doesn't help the user of a screen reader http://screencast.com/t/0PP8FXpiKF4I
15:23 oleonard The use of color as a distinguishing element seems not universally friendly to me
15:23 oleonard slef: I wonder if you have any opinion on the usability of tag clouds? I'm struggling with a way to present a tag cloud in a way that distinguishes the user's tags from others' tags.
15:22 mveron Finally it was done in a couple of minutes... I just had to find out how. Thanks fpr your support :-)
15:22 kf yay :)
15:22 mveron kf: Just wanted to tell that I scceeded with the update, including German language
15:21 * mbalmer waits for that, too ..
15:21 * slef waits for the howls telling him this was all fixed in 3.6
15:20 slef mveron: Last time I looked (3.0), that's a tricky one. I've pondered an enhancement to read the MARC over z39.50, convert to marcxml, run through a XSL Transformation, then use the transformed record. I don't think I've even got as far as an RFC for that yet. Got any funding?
15:19 kf mveron: in a bit
15:17 mveron Question about z39.50 import: how can we map fields from imported data to our custom framework, e.g. 003 to 040?
15:14 * mbalmer likes mveron's IP address ;)
15:13 mveron kf around?
15:13 mveron hello everybody
15:13 wahanui salut, mveron
15:13 mveron mbalmer: hello
15:12 mbalmer hallo mveron!
15:12 * oleonard is running out of time to dredge up his knowledge of French from high school...
15:03 mbalmer paul_p. tnx fer info!
15:02 jenkins_koha Starting build #629 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
14:47 janPasi hmm... maybe i'll go with debian afterall
14:36 kf paul_p: I have edited the google docs :)
14:36 janPasi all the servers that i maintain are still running slackware, though ;)
14:35 paul_p kf yep
14:35 janPasi i'm currently running ubuntu based mint lxde on my laptop, so i know ubuntu pretty well
14:34 janPasi i've been thinking of maybe switching to ubuntu 11.04 LTS
14:34 kf there are Debian packages...
14:33 kf I think Debian is probably the easiest, Ubuntu is easy too
14:33 janPasi they just don't seem to work well together :(
14:33 janPasi but i've been having massive problems with new slackware and new koha versions
14:32 janPasi i've been using slackware because i pefer it's simplicity
14:32 janPasi which distro would you guys recommend for running koha?
14:30 kf paul_p: around? :)
14:29 jcamins_away schuster++
14:20 magnuse jcamins++
14:13 nengard thanks jcamins
14:06 jcamins Isn't that convenient... makes it easy to test!
14:06 jcamins A detailed test plan, too.
14:04 jcamins nengard: I wrote a detailed commit message for bug 7284 so that it'll be easy to incorporate information about it into the manual.
13:30 slef @later tell Amit_Gupta please say what you want to say and I'll read it later, or email me.
13:25 paul_p hi back from lunch
13:12 magnuse Bug 7284 - Authority matching algorithm improvements http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7284
12:43 kf gmcharlt: around?
12:42 kf huginn missing?
12:42 wahanui i heard bug 7284 was the first step to making that happen.
12:42 kf bug 7284
12:42 jcamins I will also write an executive summary.
12:42 * jcamins is rebasing 7284 and squashing in the follow up this morning.
12:41 jcamins Hello.
12:41 kf hi jcamins_away
12:27 jcamins_away marcelr++ # lists permissions patches
12:27 jcamins_away Whoah!
12:03 kf :)
12:02 slef kf_mtg: wow I'd not noticed old_reserves before
12:01 kf_mtg using a runtime parameter for the cardnumber/borrowernumbr
12:01 kf_mtg slef: a report on old_reserves?
11:41 slef hdl: if it's not there, we might get funding to add the feature and do some related cleanup. We're bidding for all sorts of projects again.
11:40 hdl the whole hold Module amkes ppl run away. slef patches welcome
11:29 slef ah, now you see that's a harder question, so people run away ;)
11:22 slef trying again: hi all. Is there a way to see the past holds for a patron?
11:22 slef thanks hdl and sorry
11:22 slef my fault
11:22 slef wrong question
11:08 hdl page.
11:08 hdl circulation history
10:59 slef hi all. Is there a way to see the past loans for a patron?
10:43 gaetan_B hi Amit_Gupta ! i'm here :)
10:42 Amit_Gupta heya hdl
10:41 hdl hi Amit_Gupta
10:38 Amit_Gupta gaetan_B around???
10:24 * kf nick kf_mtg
10:01 kf paul_p: and very easy to make mistakes when manually adding rules :(
10:01 kf paul_p: the main problem with the interface is, that if you have a lot of rules it's very hard to spot problems or missing combinations
09:56 kf hm sleepy bot? :)
09:56 kf bug 4530
09:55 kf not missing some combination by accident
09:55 kf paul_p: and there is a bug report about default rules not working correctly sometimes - I always do all combinations explicitly - makes it easier later to change them
09:54 kf what you can do is copy rules from one branch to another
09:54 kf no it doesnt :(
09:53 paul_p you're right, but that doesn't exist yet too ;-)
09:52 kf paul_p: perhaps some import/export as we have now for frameworks would make things easier
09:49 kf perhaps a csv import option
09:49 kf hm
09:48 kf calc > csv > some regex/search&replace > mysql
09:48 kf I do them in calc and load them with sql
09:48 kf sorry, but it is
09:48 kf yes, the interface is crap
09:48 paul_p that's true. But when you're a 55 branches library, with 8 itemtypes and 12 patron categories...
09:48 kf what we need is an option to edit rules
09:47 kf adding something like that would only make it more error prone and very confusing (in my eyes)
09:47 kf and you can configure every possilbe combination
09:47 kf you don't enter circulation rules every day
09:47 kf I think it works correctly
09:47 kf no
09:47 paul_p (and probably some space for an improvement that would say "if there is nothing entered, use a more generic rule". 0 NOT being "nothing"
09:47 kf paul_p: I think inheritance for single values would make it very very very confusing
09:46 wahanui bad news is that you're probably royally screwed
09:46 paul_p bad news...
09:44 * kf adds a big brown bear to the list of her new coworkers
09:43 kf when you leave max checkouts empty = unlimited, leaving maxreserves empty = no holds
09:43 kf but it's either none or unlimited
09:43 kf there are some inconsistencies about that (sadly)
09:43 kf if you leave it empty it will either mean unlimited or none
09:43 kf but none for dvds the general rule will work
09:42 kf and a general rule
09:42 kf so if you have a rule for books
09:42 kf but only for rules
09:42 kf there is
09:42 kf there are some inconsistencies here I am not so happy about, but no inheritance
09:42 paul_p so there is no inheritance at all ?
09:42 paul_p For example, issuinglength=21, qty=7, hold = nothing is entered for BOOKS
09:42 kf no
09:42 paul_p kf it's about issuingrules. When you enter nothing for a given value in issuingrules, shouldn't it mean "set null, so the usable value will be retrieved from the more general rule".
09:40 kf paul_p: what's your question?
09:40 kf [OFF] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_Thursday
09:40 magnuse hm, something in the water, perhaps? ;-)
09:39 kf magnuse: my breakfast was ok... but the others are acting strange
09:39 * magnuse was wondering if kf had put something strange in her breakfast...
09:39 kf yes
09:38 paul_p kf a few minuts for a functionnal question ?
09:29 kf paul_p: red straw hat and colorful scarf now... my coworkers wouldn't let me escape :)
08:41 kf but the idea is good
08:40 kf things formthe bakery...
08:40 paul_p (could work if you've a colored shirt ;-) )
08:40 paul_p kf put sweets on your ears, your hairs, and become a "sweet tree" or something like that ;-)
08:37 kf I brought sweets... hopefully that will keep me safe
08:37 kf like myself - I kinda forgot to take care of a costume
08:37 paul_p kf and you, what do you look like ?
08:37 francharb hi kf
08:37 kf hi francharb
08:37 kf and an escapee (from jail)
08:29 kf and a knight
08:29 kf oh
08:28 kf today is the day all Konstanz goes crazy
08:28 paul_p [OFF] well done PTFS. If HLT answer your letter positively, it means we consider your IPO as valid. Fortunatly, it was a little bit easy to spot... (http://koha-community.org/update-3-nz-koha-trademark/)
08:28 kf it is
08:28 hdl kf frightening.
08:27 Suzzane let me talk to the programmer
08:27 Suzzane ok....
08:27 paul_p if yes, what's the difference between now (don't work) and the time it worked ? that can be a change in your configuration, or an invalid data added
08:26 kf my coworkers transformed over night... I amworking now with a cowboy, a carrot, a hairy monster, a rabbit and an alien
08:26 kf morning paul_p
08:26 paul_p Suzzane did it work ?
08:26 kf hi again #koha
08:23 Suzzane what might have happened coz the programmer has no idea
08:23 Suzzane ops!!!!
08:22 paul_p Suzzane that's where it's tricky = I have no concrete suggestion to do...
08:19 Suzzane sorry, what do i tell him to do?
08:18 Suzzane where do i tell out programmer to do?
08:16 Suzzane paul, i lost you.....
08:15 gaetan_B hello #koha :)
08:09 Suzzane is it possible to handle the error?
08:08 Suzzane ok...
08:08 Suzzane please guide me
08:08 Suzzane Paul, what do i do?
08:08 paul_p one of them being that your zebra database is not synched correctly with your SQL DB
08:08 paul_p Suzzane : it's one of the trickiest error you can get... can be caused by *many* things.
07:58 Suzzane Paul, what to do?
07:58 Suzzane This is the first error when you search all libraries:: Software error: Can't call method "data" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Search.pm line 1488. The second error when you narrow the search to a specific library is still the same: Software error: Can't call method "data" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Search.pm line 148
07:57 hdl shorter and shorter in NZ
07:57 hdl hi magnuse
07:57 Suzzane let me copy paste the error
07:57 Suzzane and error is cropping up
07:56 Suzzane we are trying to search in OPAC
07:56 magnuse paul_p: here too! and 3x yay for that!
07:56 paul_p Suzzane what's your problem ?
07:56 paul_p magnuse there's something new that is undoubtfull, at least here = the day is longer and longer !
07:56 magnuse kia ora hdl!
07:55 Suzzane i need your help
07:55 magnuse hm, not much
07:55 Suzzane Hi Paul-p
07:55 paul_p hi magnuse. What's new ?
07:55 magnuse bonjour paul_p
07:53 paul_p good morning #koha
07:49 Suzzane Hi Julian
07:49 julian_m hi
07:45 wahanui what's up, alex_a
07:45 alex_a bonjour
07:44 mib_tt23k0 did you check your database?
07:42 Suzzane ops!!! cant be of much help here
07:42 mib_neg20l suzzane
07:39 mib_neg20l no one anwser my Qn
07:39 mib_neg20l my problem is No items available in opac
07:38 indradg morning #koha
07:37 magnuse kia ora #koha!
07:36 Suzzane am customizing koha for our library use
07:36 wahanui somebody said reiveune was working for biblibre
07:36 mib_neg20l reiveune
07:35 mib_neg20l you custemize koha
07:34 Suzzane hopefully will be a guru then that i will lender my advisory services
07:34 mib_neg20l hi
07:34 Suzzane am also a learner
07:34 Suzzane Hi Mib
07:34 wahanui bonjour, reiveune
07:34 reiveune hello
07:27 mib_neg20l Suzzane
07:26 mib_neg20l No items available in opac do you know my error
07:25 mib_neg20l hey
07:04 mib_tt23k0 can anyone help me with koha v3 marc_word thing. I am new to koha v3. My marc_word table seems to be corrupted, is it possible to rebuild it from other table? I googled but I only find scripts for koha v2.2 only. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Also welcome to reply me through mbsit@mbs.org.my
06:34 Suzzane Hi mib-owuink
06:24 Judit1 nks
06:24 Judit1 tha
06:22 eythian I don't think you can do that. Least, I've never heard of it.
06:21 Judit1 the email goes to the first available meail address, no
06:21 Judit1 if i have a child patron with a parent patron: can i set koha to send the first overdue warning to the child, and the second notice to do parent?
05:27 cait hi Amit_Gupta
05:27 Amit_Gupta heya cait
05:07 cait evening eythian
05:06 eythian hi cait
04:58 cait morning #koha
04:17 Schuster12 besides me to the nutty bin that is.
04:17 Schuster12 well that might be it for me tonight. Tomorrow i have great hopes of committing something!
04:10 wizzyrea and if you can't remember it, it's in koha-conf.xml
04:09 wizzyrea just log in with your koha db user/pass
04:09 wizzyrea you'd need to update the database
04:09 wizzyrea well yea
04:02 Schuster12 I just want to download and test 7284 to see how it works... but now I think I'm stuck again. I downloaded the patchs but there is installing stuff...
03:59 wizzyrea git bz enables my laziness.
03:59 wizzyrea it's totally worth the time to figure out why it's broken
03:59 wizzyrea oh but the git bz stuff will make your life so much better.
03:54 Schuster12 I guess... I'm going to try the manual process until I have a chance to work more on the git bz stuff - one step at a time.
03:53 eythian presumably you haven't symlinked it to somwhere in your path.
03:52 Schuster12 I tried that but I must have something botched up someplace
03:49 wahanui git bz is so much fun :) or http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_bz_configuration
03:49 eythian wahanui: git bz
03:48 eythian http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_bz_configuration
03:48 eythian you need to install it first
03:46 Schuster12 So I have to do the "manual" process..??
03:45 Schuster12 with I did git bz apply 7284 it told me bz is not a git command so i must not have something in BZ right.
03:43 Schuster12 so 7284 is the bug
03:36 Amit_Gupta hi bag
03:35 wahanui somebody said bug 7284 was the first step to making that happen.
03:35 schuster bug 7284
03:35 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7284 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Authority matching algorithm improvements
03:35 schuster so I was looking at bug 7284
03:24 * wizzyrea forgot that
03:24 rangi yup
03:24 wizzyrea it does in fact go that granular, which is nice.
03:24 wizzyrea or "edit notice" permissions
03:23 schuster oops wrong window,
03:23 wizzyrea you *could* just take away their tools permissions :P
03:23 rangi i wont fire you, ill punish the entire world instead
03:23 schuster google.com
03:23 rangi exactly
03:23 wizzyrea and
03:23 wizzyrea someone will have a personnel problem they don't want to deal with
03:23 rangi yes
03:23 wizzyrea i'm sure it could come up someday
03:22 rangi cool :)
03:21 wizzyrea on the bug
03:21 wizzyrea yea, that's what I just said
03:11 rangi cos i think its fine, thats the current situation
03:10 rangi everyone who has permissions to edit notices that is?
03:10 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7001 enhancement, P3, ---, srdjan, Needs Signoff , User Configurable Slips
03:10 wizzyrea regarding bug 7001, does anyone have an opinion on that last comment (is it ok when we do not have independent brances that everyone can edit notices for all branches)
01:28 wizzyrea let me count the ways
01:28 wizzyrea how much better has my life gotten since git bz
01:03 jcamins_away Very. I don't use acq though.
01:00 wizzyrea also, jebus this is time consuming.
00:57 wizzyrea does anyone else find adding baskets in acquisitions kind of... awkward?