Time  Nick                 Message
02:06 Space_Librarian      Argh. Negative staff. Such a downer.
02:44 Space_Librarian      Oh great and glorious community. Do we know of any library who catalogues articles individually who may have a framework to share...?
02:45 jcamins_away         Space_Librarian: the American Numismatic Society does, but they switched to using the new analytics code.
02:45 jcamins              They catalog articles individually, I mean.
02:45 Space_Librarian      yes, that's what we do.
02:45 jcamins              The new analytics feature is awesome.
02:46 Space_Librarian      eythian mentioned it, but I need to know more.
02:46 jcamins              Turn on EasyAnalytics.
02:46 * Space_Librarian    searches
02:47 jcamins              EasyAnalyticalRecords.
02:47 jcamins              In the cataloguing tag.
02:48 jcamins              tab.
02:48 Space_Librarian      found it!
02:48 Space_Librarian      is that it? That's all? And that'll make life easier?
02:48 jcamins              Pull up the serial record in your catalogue.
02:49 jcamins              (staff client)
02:49 jcamins              Click the Edit button.
02:49 jcamins              No, New button.
02:49 Space_Librarian      okay...
02:49 jcamins              Then click Analyze items.
02:50 jcamins              There's a "Create analytics" link.
02:50 jcamins              (that now shows up)
02:50 Space_Librarian      yup...
02:50 jcamins              Go to the 7xx tab and be amazed at the populated 773.
02:51 jcamins              :D
02:51 Space_Librarian      Well I'll be...
02:52 jcamins              Nice, innit?
02:52 Space_Librarian      But, still, do you have a framework for the individual articles that can be used with the analytics?
02:52 Space_Librarian      And it's awesome.
02:52 jcamins              No, everyone I know uses Default.
02:53 Space_Librarian      cool. GTK. I have some very new to anything but DB Textworks and never encountered MARC before librarians that I need to soothe, but the analytics will totally help.
02:53 Space_Librarian      That is just fantastic.
02:54 eythian              Space_Librarian: when you've got a few of those analytics set up, can you let me know? I'd like to see it working in practice (I've really only done it the hard way before)
02:55 jcamins              Since you can't add fields that aren't in the framework, using limited frameworks just doesn't make sense.
02:56 Space_Librarian      eythian absolutely. I've got to sort out the serials here first, but that analytics is definitely going to be used.
02:57 Space_Librarian      jcamins this is very true. But, as I said my cataloguing librarian has never seen MARC before, she's actually refusing to catalogue anything at the moment.
02:57 Space_Librarian      very headache-inducing.
02:57 jcamins              Space_Librarian: that's a nuisance.
02:58 Space_Librarian      you have no idea. Everybody else is loving the system, she's dug her heels in and just won't budge. Does not like change at all.
03:10 ibeardslee           I've come across those people before .. doesn't do the soul any good
03:10 Space_Librarian      nope.
03:11 Space_Librarian      She's actually going to be the biggest problem about this migration. This is already very evident.
03:14 eythian              there's often one of those people per migration.
03:15 Space_Librarian      yep, I hear ya.
03:21 * Space_Librarian    waves at wizzyrea
03:21 wizzyrea             hiyas :)
03:22 Amit_Gupta           heya bag
03:22 Amit_Gupta           :)
04:09 Space_Librarian      good evening all! :)
04:09 libsysguy            ok lets say for the sake of saying that something nasty happened to a debian based server…like the kernel went awol and committed suicide…do you think my best option would be do launch a live cd, backup all the data, make a backup partition and push it all there…keeping in mind that I have no network connections since its on a VM...
04:11 ibeardslee           with the goal to reinstall?
04:12 libsysguy            yes and migrate that data when the network is back
04:12 ibeardslee           so was the kernel removed via apt-get or somesuch?
04:12 libsysguy            no, i seriously just restarted and there was magically no kernel
04:13 ibeardslee           it could just be that grub didn't deal to things properly, the kernel could be there but grub dones't know about it
04:13 libsysguy            well, I tried all the other kernel headers that existed in grub
04:14 libsysguy            it couldn't find those either, or their recovery partitions
04:14 ibeardslee           booting from a livecd would be the first start
04:14 libsysguy            yeah I got that working
04:15 ibeardslee           from there you can check to see the state of the filesystems themselves
04:15 libsysguy            and I have been plunking at the shell…the filesystem is fine
04:15 libsysguy            i even managed to dump the database
04:15 ibeardslee           it could be possible to chroot to the / partition and then apt-get install the kernel
04:16 libsysguy            i tried that…no network
04:16 libsysguy            and the one on the live cd was a no-go as well
04:16 ibeardslee           sometimes the packages are cached on disk
04:16 stuartyeates         the first thing you want to do is get a good backup...
04:16 ibeardslee           true
04:16 stuartyeates         or have you already done that?
04:16 libsysguy            that would be nice to have
04:16 libsysguy            I am in the process of trying to get the data out
04:16 stuartyeates         database dump + config files for important apps
04:17 stuartyeates         copy them to a USB key or simialr?
04:17 libsysguy            yeah that is exactly what I am doing…no the server is running Hyper-V
04:17 libsysguy            so there is no support for that :-\
04:17 eythian              what is hyper-v?
04:17 libsysguy            but I think i can mount another HDD and install ubuntu to it, then mount its dead counterpar
04:18 libsysguy            hyper-v is microsofts answer to VM-Ware
04:18 eythian              ah right.
04:18 eythian              Sounds like a terrible idea
04:18 ibeardslee           heh
04:18 eythian              (hyper-v, not your suggested recovery method)
04:18 libsysguy            haha it is…actually its not terrible when it works :p
04:18 eythian              'cept it deletes your kernels?
04:19 libsysguy            exactly
04:19 eythian              could you just run grub-install?
04:19 libsysguy            i did reinstall grub
04:19 stuartyeates         can you scp the data to another machine?
04:19 libsysguy            no network
04:19 stuartyeates         oh, of coruse
04:19 libsysguy            the only connection I have is the console view from hyper-v
04:20 libsysguy            which is great…let me tell you :-/
04:20 stuartyeates         does hyper-v let you take a snaphot of the thing in case your next step looses data?
04:20 eythian              why is there no network?
04:20 eythian              can't you bring up a network?
04:20 libsysguy            yes it does, I did make a snapshot
04:20 stuartyeates         "ifup --all" will try bringing up the network
04:20 libsysguy            and to get hyper-v to run the network you have to have an addition to the kernal on a debian based system
04:21 libsysguy            and since the kernel is gone...
04:21 stuartyeates         oh, i see
04:21 stuartyeates         can you compile a new kernel?
04:21 libsysguy            I could…if i could get the source to the machine
04:22 libsysguy            that is what I was trying to do with the live cd
04:22 eythian              the addition to the kernel will be a .ko file somewhere, right? can you find it and just insmod it?
04:22 eythian              or just stream all the data up the screen using xmodem, screenshot it regularly, reassemble.
04:23 libsysguy            haha
04:23 eythian              s/xmodem/QR codes/
04:23 libsysguy            actually I think i have it
04:23 libsysguy            the other install is working and I think ill be able to see the other drive
04:23 eythian              can you export the disk as a VM appliance thing, import it into virtualbox, which will give you a network.
04:23 eythian              then throw away hyper-v and use virtualbox
04:24 libsysguy            now there is an idea…perhaps
04:25 wizzyrea             O.O libsysguy what did you DO
04:26 wizzyrea             I think perhaps you are even better at breaking things than I am
04:26 libsysguy            wizzyrea i broke-ed it
04:26 libsysguy            i swear this wasn't my fault
04:26 wizzyrea             I believe you :)
04:27 libsysguy            the server was being all laggy running tomcat and I was like..i know ill just restart it
04:27 wizzyrea             sorry, less talk, more fixing.
04:27 libsysguy            that'll teach it…but it taught me
04:45 libsysguy            HAHA! i got it!!
04:45 libsysguy            sorry…I just had a moment
04:46 wizzyrea             noice!
04:47 libsysguy            except…I still don't have network
04:47 libsysguy            jesus !@#$$%#%@#$@$% christ
05:21 libsysguy            for the record, it all got saved and transfered
05:22 eythian              how?
05:30 libsysguy            I created a second HDD, installed ubuntu to it, then mounted the old one
05:30 eythian              OK
05:30 libsysguy            now I just have to rebuild that system
05:30 eythian              hi cait
05:30 libsysguy            hi cait
05:31 cait                 hi eythian, hi libsysguy :)
05:31 Amit_Gupta           wheya eythian, cait
05:31 cait                 hi Amit_Gupta
05:32 eythian              hello Amit_Gupta
05:34 libsysguy            cait I was going to tell you I installed that patch you recommended
05:34 libsysguy            for acquisitions
05:35 libsysguy            and the acquisitions librarian loves it
05:35 cait                 oh :)
05:35 cait                 yeah, it sure sounds like a nice feature
05:35 cait                 I am way behind with my todo lists :(
05:35 cait                 really wanted to test that
05:35 libsysguy            haha welcome to the club
05:35 cait                 and then my glasses broke last friday... and that practically killed my weekend
05:35 libsysguy            I am trying to test that and jcamins linker script
05:35 cait                 now it's even worse than before
05:35 libsysguy            oh no :'(
05:35 cait                 I have new glasses now
05:36 libsysguy            oh ok…so you can see
05:36 cait                 it's only I am missing a few days
05:36 libsysguy            lol that is what I am going to tell my girlfriend when she says we have to hang out on the weekends
05:36 libsysguy            "but hun the community needs me :p"
05:39 libsysguy            ok im out for the night…cya in the AM #Koha
05:41 * cait               starts reading about ethernet
05:42 eythian              watch wireshark on a not busy network for a while, it'll help you understand the upper layers.
05:43 cait                 ?
06:52 eythian              cait: wireshark is a network sniffer tool
06:53 eythian              shows you all the network traffic.
06:53 * eythian            builds packages
07:03 Amit_Gupta           slef around
07:07 * eythian            fails to build packages because some tests are still broken :/
07:33 reiveune             hello
07:44 * cait               goes to wokr
07:44 cait                 work even... bbiab
08:09 asaurat              hello
08:09 wahanui              hola, asaurat
08:16 francharb            hi all
08:29 kf                   hi #koha
08:33 kf                   hmm
08:33 kf                   is there a way to link to the english opac version? I was playing around with the url, but while the start page is correct, the templates aren't
08:37 drojf                good morning #koha
08:37 kf                   good morning drojf
08:38 drojf                hi kf :)
08:39 kf                   hm
08:39 kf                   do you have an idea about constructing an url to the english opac?
08:44 drojf                what do you mean? without the changelanguage perl script?
08:47 kf                   just an url
08:47 kf                   that opens the english opac version directly
08:47 kf                   circumventing the browser detection and the cookie
08:47 kf                   I have not managed to find one yet :(
08:48 drojf                i think it won't work because the info is only in the cookie. you have KohaOpacLanguage and then the language code, like en-EN. it would be nice to be able to use ?KohaOpacLanguage=en-EN on every page of the opac but that would need a code change i guess
08:49 kf                   yeah
08:49 kf                   I feared it was not possible
08:49 kf                   still... going to repeat that question a bit today, perhaps someone has an idea
08:49 kf                   or if it's really not possible I can file a bug
08:49 drojf                maybe there is some secret way to do so, i would be very interested to know that too
09:10 drojf                kf: i don't know where output_html_with_http_headers (in opac_main.pl) is defined, but you could probably wrap it in an "if/else" looking for an url parameter similar "my $language = $query->param('language');" (in opac-changelanguage.pl), so that you use an url parameter if given and look for a cookie otherwise. you need to know how to pack that for the output_html_with_http_headers though. or maybe i'm completely wring. *throwing around gefährliches
09:10 drojf                *wrong
09:12 kf                   heh
09:12 kf                   drojf: if they insist, I will have to go there
09:13 kf                   collecting ideas today and waiting for feedback
09:13 kf                   I explained the language detection
09:16 drojf                kf: who is "they"? one of your libraries?
09:18 kf                   yep
09:19 gaetan_B             hello #koha
09:20 kf                   hi gaetan_B
09:20 fredericd            kf: You could do it without changing Koha, by using Apache mod_rewrite. You can define a virtual host, with a rule appending a cookie forcing the language
09:21 kf                   ok
09:21 kf                   this sounds complicated
09:21 fredericd            it is
09:21 kf                   so perhapsI will go and file an enh request
09:21 kf                   because this might be something other libraries would find useful too
09:22 kf                   and it seems confirmed that it's not possible right now?
09:22 slef                 kf: fredericd is right, though. Probably simpler to do it in Apache.
09:23 slef                 drojf: I think to do it Koha-side, you'd need to do it when $query is parsed, not at output time.
09:23 slef                 if you really want it, I'll go look at the code and find out when that it ;-)
09:23 kf                   ok
09:24 kf                   my english is broken
09:24 kf                   no idea how to call that bug
09:24 drojf                what would it be in german? ;)
09:24 slef                 huh?
09:24 slef                 ja, wir können übersetzen...
09:25 slef                 veilleich
09:25 drojf                :)
09:26 kf                   slef: :P
09:26 kf                   Direct URL to OPAC in specified language
09:26 kf                   ?
09:27 drojf                Choose OPAC language with URL parameter?
09:27 kf                   oh
09:27 kf                   that is better
09:27 kf                   but
09:27 kf                   I already hit save
09:27 kf                   meh.
09:28 kf                   bug 7514
09:28 huginn`              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7514 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, frederic, NEW , Direct URL to OPAC in specified language
09:28 drojf                :D
09:28 kf                   updated
09:28 kf                   staff meeting
09:28 slef                 kf: why :P ???
09:29 kf_mtg               :)
09:29 slef                 I think it would be best in C4::Auth::get_template_and_user
09:29 kf_mtg               make it a smiley
09:29 kf_mtg               I felt a bit teased :)
09:29 slef                 nah it's serious... I wouldn't be able to write all this stuff in German without help ;)
09:30 slef                 and ppl are meant to translate into their native languages
09:32 drojf                off to do non-koha work :/
09:32 fredericd            And modifying a little bit opac-changelanguage.pl?
09:32 fredericd            cgi-bin/koha/opac-changelanguage.pl?language=de-DE
09:33 fredericd            with a redirection to the main page
09:33 slef                 probably moving some of that out to C4::Languages
09:34 drojf                where is a good place to learn about all these magical C4-things?
09:35 fredericd            If you change opac-changelanguage.pl line 25 to: my $url      = $query->referer() || '/';
09:35 fredericd            it works
09:57 hdl                  drojf: perldoc.koha-community.org
09:57 hdl                  could be a place.
09:57 hdl                  otherwise perldoc is your friend
09:58 hdl                  maybe adding a kind of order in the system preference language system would help.
10:04 drojf                hdl: thanks, that looks very useful
10:16 kf_mtg               fredericd++
11:41 slef                 wahanui: perldoc is at http://perldoc.koha-community.org for the C4 modules and more
11:41 wahanui              OK, slef.
11:41 slef                 wahanui: documentation?
11:41 wahanui              documentation is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/
12:30 vfernandes           hi guys :) anyone has experienced to install Koha 3.2.X in CentOS?
12:37 kf_mtg               hmm
12:37 kf_mtg               can someone here help with permissons?
12:37 kf_mtg               if I have this:      flagsrequired   => { serials => 1 },
12:37 kf_mtg               does it mean that I have to give full serial permissions for the template?
12:37 kf_mtg               and having all but not routing lists will not work?
12:45 kf_mtg               hm will find it out .)
13:01 hdl                  @later tell vfernandes we did. But would not like to do it again... It depends on the CentOS version. But the version we tried to install Koha on was much behind in PERL version
13:01 huginn`              hdl: The operation succeeded.
13:02 hdl                  kf_mtg: iirc, 1 should be changed into *
13:07 Oak                  kia ora #koha
13:11 matts_               kf_mtg, with *, any of the serials permission will be enough for the template
13:19 asaurat              is the translated columns.def working good for non english users ?
13:20 asaurat              looks like the file in prog/en is always used
13:26 mbalmer              ji from the weekly koha workshop ;)
13:27 mbalmer              here is a question:  we have user groups and media types.  here we have rules to allow certain books for children, others for adults etc.
13:28 mbalmer              do we have to create a media type for each age or is there a third criterion we can use, besides user group and media type?
13:28 oleonard             With regard to circulation rules mbalmer?
13:28 mbalmer              yes.
13:29 mbalmer              e.g. dvds for childrens, books for juveniles etc.
13:29 oleonard             What you see is what you get: user category + item type
13:29 * oleonard           wonders why that is labeled "user category." We don't use that phrase anywhere else...
13:30 mbalmer              so no third "category"?
13:30 oleonard             There is no hidden feature which you don't see on the Circulation and Fine rules page.
13:30 mbalmer              ok
13:31 mbalmer              are there any plans to have age restrictions per title?
13:31 oleonard             Not that I'm aware of.
13:31 mbalmer              so that the age restriction is with the item, not the item type?
13:31 mbalmer              ok, tnx.
13:39 druthb               o/
13:40 oleonard             Hi Dr. B.
13:40 druthb               :)  hi, Owen.
13:47 mbalmer              in switzerland, fines are not fixed, but increase over time.  e.g. CHF 2 for the first reminder, CHF 4 for second reminder, CHF 9 for the third reminder to bring back a book.
13:57 JesseM               @wunder 06614
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13:57 oleonard             @wunder 45701
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14:00 oleonard             nengard: You here for real?
14:01 nengard              yes
14:01 oleonard             I wondered if you would be willing to test Bug 5877 again sometime?
14:01 huginn`              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5877 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, paul.poulain, Needs Signoff , Offline circulation improvements : upload all files, apply at once
14:03 nengard              oleonard, i was away all week and am catching up today, i'll put it on the list but might not get to it today
14:03 oleonard             I think the functionality is there, but I submitted a patch too so I don't feel I can sign off
14:04 oleonard             nengard: Were you doing training?
14:04 nengard              yuppers
14:05 nengard              got home at midnight
14:05 nengard              brain not working right yet
14:05 * oleonard           doesn't blame you for feeling that way
14:11 * oleonard           has lost, in his old age, the ability to stay up too late
14:45 kf_mtg               hdl + matts: thx!
14:45 kf_mtg               hdl + matts: I will test on latest master and file a bug :)
14:47 kf                   mbalmer: it's something we have in Germany too - increasing fines. At the moment it's not possible.
14:47 jcamins              Good morning, #koha.
14:47 kf                   and good morning jcamins :)
14:48 kf                   mbalmer: there is a field for restrictions in items - but I don't think there is a function tied to it atm - perhaps using this field + development might be an option for age restrictions?
14:49 oleonard             Is there authorities sample data available?
14:49 Guest1988            interesting that you would ask that I had the same desire.
14:50 jcamins              oleonard: I don't think there is, actually.
14:50 * wizzyrea           gets all defeatist
14:50 wizzyrea             it's probably all copyrighted
14:50 jcamins              There should be.
14:50 jcamins              wizzyrea: not in the US. Most authority data is from LC.
14:51 jcamins              From whom you can buy a $10k hard drive with the public domain authority records on it.
14:51 wizzyrea             see: buy.
14:52 trea                 morning all o/
14:52 hdl                  kf mbalmer for wiw We have done a devlopment coping with "stacked" (can't find the correct word) fines
14:53 hdl                  http://git.biblibre.com/?p=koha;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/clean/nimes/ft/MT5989
14:53 hdl                  here you are.
14:54 hdl                  See staticfines in misc/cronjob
14:54 hdl                  s
14:54 jcamins              wizzyrea: yeah, but it's not copyrighted.
14:54 trea                 can anyone shed some light on what "[warn] yaz_poll [No child processes]" means in the koha-zebradaemon-output.log?
15:03 jcamins              trea: at a guess, your server is crashed.
15:03 jcamins              I mean, zebrasrv.
15:07 trea                 interesting. thanks jcamins i'll do some more digging
15:07 jcamins              trea: good luck. What's the status of the zebrasrv process?
15:07 mbalmer              hdl, thanks!
15:08 trea                 not sure yet jcamins. i'll check into it and report back
15:15 oleonard             Alright, I think I've correctly imported a few authority records... I see data in auth_header... But no search results.
15:15 jcamins              oleonard: did you reindex with rebuild_zebra.pl -a -r?
15:15 hdl                  oleonard: dom or grs1 indexing ?
15:16 jcamins              bulkmarcimport doesn't add things to zebraqueue.
15:16 oleonard             Whta is the -r jcamins ?
15:16 jcamins              Rebuild.
15:16 hdl                  reset
15:16 jcamins              Reset.
15:16 jcamins              That's what I meant.
15:17 jcamins              "Start over from scratch." ;)
15:17 hdl                  does the init on database ... only when one record exported.
15:18 oleonard             Okay, that's what I needed. But why do I only get results when I search using "search main heading?"
15:19 oleonard             (in the staff client)
15:19 jcamins              oleonard: did you install the patch for bug 7284 yet?
15:19 huginn`              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7284 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Authority matching algorithm improvements
15:20 jcamins              (if not, that's probably why)
15:21 jcamins              (if you did, they probably don't show up because you didn't install the Zebra config files to koha-dev)
15:30 oleonard             Is it not possible to get name authority results from the OPAC without 7284 jcamins ?
15:30 jcamins              oleonard: no, you can get name authorities, you just can only search using the main entry.
15:31 oleonard             What is "main entry?"
15:31 jcamins              1xx.
15:32 jcamins              (that's authority 1xx, not bib 1xx)
15:32 jcamins              No see-froms or see-alsos.
15:32 jcamins              And the "anywhere" doesn't actually search "anywhere."
15:34 jcamins              It only searches 1xx.
15:34 oleonard             I have an authority record where 100a = "Leonard, A. Byron", but an OPAC search for Personal Name + contains + "leonard" doesn't return anything
15:34 oleonard             ...in the OPAC this time
15:35 oleonard             I get results in the staff client if I use "search main heading."
15:35 jcamins              Oh, that's a very old bug.
15:35 jcamins              When did you last update your koha-dev zebra configuration?
15:36 oleonard             Never :P
15:36 jcamins              Okay.
15:36 jcamins              I fixed that a few months ago.
15:36 jcamins              You'll need to copy over the new Zebra authority configuration files then reindex.
15:37 jcamins              etc/zeradb/authorities/etc/bib1.att,
15:37 jcamins              etc/zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/authorities/authority-koha-indexdefs.xml,
15:37 jcamins              etc/zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/authorities/authority-zebra-indexdefs.xsl,
15:37 jcamins              etc/zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/authorities/koha-indexdefs-to-zebra.xsl, and
15:37 jcamins              etc/zebradb/marc_defs/unimarc/authorities/record.abs
15:37 oleonard             Can you tell me how?
15:37 jcamins              Hm. That didn't quite work as hoped.
15:37 jcamins              I'll use paste.
15:39 pastebot             "jcamins" at 69.201.176.180 pasted "oleonard: install Zebra authority config" (3 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/249
15:41 jcamins              Then reindex with rebuild_zebra.pl -a -r
15:43 oleonard             Thanks, that worked like a charm
15:43 jcamins              Good!
15:43 * oleonard           is reminded why he doesn't like testing authorities
15:43 oleonard             Maybe it'll be easier now :)
15:44 jcamins              oleonard: you could sign off on bug 7501 too, so you don't feel like you did all this for only one thing. :)
15:44 huginn`              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7501 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , OPAC authority browser should mark alternate rows as highlighted
15:44 oleonard             That's exactly what I'm doing :)
15:44 oleonard             Then I'll try 7284
15:45 jcamins              :)
15:45 jcamins              oleonard++
15:49 jcamins              Woohoo!
15:53 * oleonard           sits down with a six-pack of Red Bull and a bowl of chocolate-covered espresso beans to read the test plan for bug 7284
15:53 huginn`              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7284 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Authority matching algorithm improvements
15:53 wizzyrea             O.O
15:53 wizzyrea             you will be a hummingbird soon.
15:54 jcamins              lol
15:54 jcamins              Is it that bad?
15:55 wizzyrea             lol we just can't get down past 67 can we
15:55 trea                 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bz3fWAtOMV4
15:57 jcamins              wizzyrea: you can help with this!
15:58 jcamins              wizzyrea: bugs 6919 and 7284 are both interesting. :)
16:06 oleonard             Actually jcamins the test plan is excellent for it's detail because it makes me feel much more comfortable that I'm testing something properly which I seldom use
16:06 oleonard             jcamins++
16:06 libsysguy            ditto
16:06 libsysguy            jcamins++
16:06 jcamins              :)
16:06 * oleonard           reaches back to erase that errant '
16:11 reiveune             bye
16:24 kf                   jcamins++ :)
16:27 oleonard             What is the difference between BiblioAddsAuthorities  and AutoCreateAuthorities? Is it BiblioAddsAuthorities that enables Koha to automatically link to an existing authority record if the input matches one?
16:28 jcamins              oleonard: BiblioAddsAuthorities is what allows you to edit an authority-controlled heading directly.
16:28 jcamins              I would like to change its name.
16:29 kf                   jcamins: I never understood how that worked until I got there in your test plan
16:29 oleonard             So if BiblioAddsAuthorities is on you can either enter your own data or choose an existing authority
16:35 jcamins              Right.
16:44 kf                   hmm bug 3142
16:44 huginn`              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3142 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , standardize how OPAC and staff determine requestability
16:45 kf                   if branch a has that the item can be requested from all branches... shouldn't it be holdable?
16:45 oleonard             Sounds right to me
16:45 kf                   oh
16:45 kf                   I misread
16:45 kf                   ignore me
16:45 kf                   I should go home
16:46 oleonard             Me too!
16:46 * oleonard           quits 5 hours early
16:46 kf                   heh
16:46 kf                   good idea .)
16:49 oleonard             No, I'll need all that time to test this bug
16:58 gaetan_B             bye !
17:48 edveal               I am having a hard time getting one on of the jQuery scrips in the library two work properly. (http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/JQuery_Library#Change_the_text_of_the_OPAC_login_link)
17:48 edveal               Any hints?
17:50 cait                 hi #koha
17:57 fredericd            cait: Your a specialist of 773 field in mAR
17:57 fredericd            in MARC21?
17:57 cait                 hm
17:57 cait                 perhaps :)
17:57 cait                 what is your question?
17:58 fredericd            Do you have sample MARC21 biblio records containing 773 field propermy populated?
17:58 cait                 hm let me find one
17:58 fredericd            I try to figure out how to use it
17:59 fredericd            $g subfield seems not to be displayed with HEAD MARC XSL
17:59 cait                 ?
17:59 cait                 which version are you on?
17:59 fredericd            dev
18:00 fredericd            I have fields like that: 773 $t Kroeber Anthropologivcal Society Papers $g vol. 99-100, pp. 104-128
18:00 fredericd            and I'm not sure it's valid MARC21
18:00 jcamins              fredericd: that looks right to me.
18:01 fredericd            jcamins: thanks
18:01 cait                 fredericd: hm it should show... if it didn't get messed up again
18:01 cait                 I had to load my sample file first
18:03 cait                 fredericd: sorry, I messed up my test installation :(
18:05 cait                 and my test data apperently
18:06 fredericd            Hope it's not my fault...
18:07 oleonard             edveal: What problem are you having?
18:07 cait                 773$g shows  for me in staff
18:07 cait                 with xslt view
18:09 fredericd            Not for me, xslt enabled
18:09 cait                 hm
18:09 jcamins              fredericd: probably the 773 display was revised to match the standard again.
18:09 cait                 but 773 shows?
18:10 cait                 the oter fields?
18:10 jcamins              Oh, wait, I'm confused.
18:10 jcamins              What's the problem?
18:10 wahanui              the problem is its human beings doing it
18:10 jcamins              I thought the 773 wasn't showing up?
18:10 cait                 jcamins: should your indexing changes break rcn search?
18:10 jcamins              cait: no.
18:10 cait                 http://localhost/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=rcn:015151123
18:10 cait                 gives me a 404
18:10 cait                 I mean no results - yes
18:10 cait                 but 404?
18:10 wahanui              404 is better for opac
18:11 jcamins              cait: I didn't touch anything to do with bib searching.
18:11 cait                 I hate finding bugs like this
18:11 jcamins              If it is my patch, though, definitely let me know, because that means an unrelated change crept in.
18:12 fredericd            I don't understand how it works in the XSL
18:12 fredericd            245$a is dislayed rather than 773$t
18:12 jcamins              fredericd: that's definitely wrong.
18:12 oleonard             If a search leads to a 404, doesn't that imply that the search returned 1 record but that record wasn't found?
18:12 cait                 ok
18:12 jcamins              fredericd: maybe git blame will tell you who did that?
18:12 cait                 any search link gives me a 404
18:13 jcamins              cait: just after applying my patch?
18:13 jcamins              I didn't touch it.
18:13 cait                 i know
18:13 cait                 didn't switch back to master
18:13 cait                 checking the logs now
18:14 * jcamins            has to run to get to his next client's.
18:14 jcamins              Probably back in 30.
18:15 cait                 [Thu Feb 09 19:11:39 2012] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] [Thu Feb  9 19:11:39 2012] opac-search.pl: Use of uninitialized value $biblionumber in concatenation (.) or string at /home/katrin/kohaclone/opac/opac-search.pl line 577., referer: http://localhost/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=9809
18:15 cait                 *sigh*
18:15 fredericd            my biblio records have 'c' in leader position 19...
18:15 cait                 does the open book icon show?
18:16 cait                 fredericd: that seems right to me
18:16 cait                 I am still wondeirng why my opac is totally broken :(
18:16 fredericd            thanks all for your help
18:16 fredericd            I give up for tonight
18:18 cait                 fredericd: I could mail you my sample record?
18:18 * chris_n            talks bad about the labels code
18:18 fredericd            cait: yes. I would be grateful for that.
18:18 cait                 your email from bugzilla?
18:19 fredericd            chris_n: I know what you mean. I will finish crafting a specific XSL...
18:19 fredericd            cait: yes, it works
18:21 cait                 done
18:23 chris_n              the real problem is UTF*
18:23 chris_n              UTF8 rather
18:23 * chris_n            thinks his typing is a problem too
18:24 chris_n              my catalogers picked up a bad record from somewhere and now i have to find it... <grumble>
18:24 cait                 chris_n: do you have an installation on latest master?
18:25 cait                 never mind
18:25 cait                 it seems the error just disappeared
18:25 cait                 spookiy
18:25 cait                 spooky
18:30 * chris_n            removes the two offending records
18:30 chris_n              I suspect the MARC records were imported and in a format other than that advertised
18:30 chris_n              encoding rather
18:31 jcamins_away         cait: well, at least it's working now.
18:35 cait                 hmpf
18:35 cait                 I hate bugs that appear and disappear like that
18:35 cait                 normally means I only did something different
18:36 jcamins              Yeah, I hate those too.
18:37 jcamins              cait: at least the testing can now resume.
18:37 jcamins              :)
18:37 * jcamins            is always looking on the bright side.
18:38 cait                 heh
18:39 * chris_n            momentarily wonders about a function to be called on all imported records during import to validate encoding and warn of potential errors/pitfalls/etc
18:40 jcamins              chris_n: that would be really useful.
18:40 hdl                  edveal: my best bet would be to try and ask oleonard.... but he might be busy.
18:41 jcamins              chris_n: a pity there isn't actually a way to recognize UTF-8 versus MARC-8.
18:42 chris_n              jcamins: running it thorough several "problem" sections of koha's code might turn up common "wide char" type errors
18:42 * oleonard           inquired about details
18:42 chris_n              or through some tests fashioned after those portions of code
18:42 jcamins              chris_n: that makes sense.
18:42 jcamins              chris_n++ # validating encoding even while planning an upgrade to master!
18:42 chris_n              the problem is that different records break in different places iirc
18:42 chris_n              nice idea!
18:43 chris_n              sounds like a line for "how to win friends"
18:44 jcamins              chris_n: I guess real world MARC-8 actually uses a fairly limited space, so I guess one thing you could test for is characters outside that range, and identify the record as UTF-8.
18:46 jcamins              And maybe if we're lucky two byte characters with \xe8 as their first byte are all unusable in UTF-8.
18:47 * chris_n            hates working with encoding foo :P
18:48 jcamins              Oh god... I just said that without looking up the common value of the first byte.
18:48 chris_n              maybe there is a significant enough difference to "filter" on
18:53 jcamins              Here's a thought: does MARC-8 have only one canonical way to represent any given glyph?
18:53 jcamins              If so, try converting to Unicode and back.
18:54 jcamins              If the input matches the output, it's MARC-8.
18:54 jcamins              Otherwise, UTF-8.
18:55 chris_n              maybe the difference in order of space and non-space chars would provide an clear indication?
18:55 * chris_n            feels like he is sinking beneath the waves :-/
18:56 jcamins              chris_n: ooh, that's clever.
18:57 jcamins              Actually, it wouldn't work, never mind.
18:57 jcamins              It was a good thought, but how do we know which character the accent is supposed to be applied to?
18:57 chris_n              if it was that simple it would be done already
18:57 chris_n              right
18:57 jcamins              Right.
18:57 chris_n              I wondered about that
18:58 chris_n              you'd have to make an assumption somewhere
18:58 jcamins              Right.
18:58 chris_n              and if the encoding happens to be mixed up
18:58 chris_n              ...
18:58 chris_n              ie.. a mixture
18:58 chris_n              non-homogeneous at that
19:15 chris_n              interesting
19:15 wahanui              interesting is good
19:15 chris_n              not in this case wahanui
19:16 chris_n              doing a hex comparison of the same marc record retrieved from loc in utf-8 and then in marc-8 shows zero difference
19:16 jcamins              chris_n: are there extended characters?
19:17 chris_n              no, as you might expect
19:17 chris_n              but it serves to point out how challenging the task of verification might be
19:18 jcamins              chris_n: well, if there are no extended characters, it doesn't matter.
19:18 chris_n              in practice, it does not
19:18 * chris_n            goes off to find a record with extended chars in it
19:45 * oleonard           goes back to testing after meetings, lunch, etc.
19:47 * chris_n            wonders if it would be enough to know the record is not UTF-8
19:51 * oleonard           thinks he got lost somewhere in the 7284 test plan...
19:51 chris_n              did you leave a trail of bread crumbs?
19:52 oleonard             I expected a minotaur at the end chris_n, so I brought string
19:53 chris_n              lol
19:53 * oleonard           could use jcamins_away's advice
19:56 libsysguy            is testing that too oleonard
19:56 libsysguy            where are you lost at
19:56 libsysguy            bug 7284
19:56 wahanui              hmmm... bug 7284 is the first step to making that happen.
19:56 huginn`              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7284 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Authority matching algorithm improvements
19:56 oleonard             I'm under === Testing link_bibs_to_authorities.pl ===
19:57 libsysguy            ok just step 1?
19:57 oleonard             ...and adding an author from an authority record is not giving me the expected link
19:58 oleonard             Or does the link only happen if AutoCreateAuthorities is on?
19:59 oleonard             Okay, that seems to be the case. I wonder if that is how it's supposed to be...
20:00 Space_Librarian      o/
20:00 libsysguy            hmm
20:01 cait                 night #koha
20:01 oleonard             Step 4, "to check this, look at the bib record you edited earlier, and check that the authid in the field you edited hasn't changed"
20:01 libsysguy            im not sure, I'm still working throught a different set of linking issues :-\
20:06 chris_n              @seen rangi
20:06 huginn`              chris_n: rangi was last seen in #koha 2 days, 19 hours, 25 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: <rangi> so far so good
20:06 * chris_n            wonders if it is still going good for rangi
20:09 Space_Librarian      It's pretty early where rangi  is...
20:09 Space_Librarian      unless he's back from Melbourne...
20:23 jcamins_away         oleonard: did you figure it out?
20:23 oleonard             No, do you have a moment?
20:23 jcamins_away         I do indeed.
20:24 jcamins_away         It took a bit for the mention of bug 7284 to penetrate my brain, but when I did, I came!
20:24 huginn`              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7284 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Authority matching algorithm improvements
20:24 jcamins_away         :)
20:25 oleonard             I'm at the step === Testing link_bibs_to_authorities.pl ===
20:25 jcamins_away         Step 1?
20:25 wahanui              i guess Step 1 is done. :)
20:25 oleonard             Step 1 is done, doing step 2
20:26 jcamins_away         Okay.
20:26 oleonard             When I save the record, then go back and open it for editing again, should there still be data in $9?
20:26 * jcamins_away       checks.
20:26 jcamins_away         No.
20:27 jcamins_away         I think there may have been a copy and paste error on my part.
20:27 jcamins_away         Step 1 should read turn LinkerKeepStale *on*.
20:27 jcamins_away         Step 2a should read turn LinkerKeepStale *off*.
20:28 jcamins_away         Sorry!
20:28 oleonard             Step 2a?
20:28 jcamins_away         Right, there isn't one.
20:28 jcamins_away         You do that after step 2, because I copied the wrong step into this test plan.
20:29 oleonard             Step 1 turn LinkerKeepStale on, step 2 edit bib, step 2a turn it off, step 3 run the linking script?
20:29 jcamins_away         (I had two test plans, and made the complete test plan by combining them)
20:29 jcamins_away         Right.
20:37 oleonard             jcamins_away: Can you think of any reason why I should be prevented from updating a bib record to use a different authority in 100a?
20:37 oleonard             ...because I can't seem to do so.
20:37 jcamins_away         oleonard: no I cannot.
20:38 jcamins_away         oleonard: if you have BiblioAddsAuthorities set to off, you have to find one using the selector plugin, though.
20:39 oleonard             BiblioAddsAuthorities is set to "allow," and I am using the selector plugin
20:39 jcamins_away         Hm. And it won't let you save, or won't let you select?
20:39 oleonard             It appears to work fine but after I save the old data is there
20:40 jcamins_away         Hm.
20:40 jcamins_away         That would be a bug.
20:40 jcamins_away         Odd I never encountered it.
20:40 jcamins_away         After I finish signing off on 6919 I'll see if I can replicate.
20:41 jcamins_away         And to confirm, you're looking at the details page, right?
20:41 oleonard             Sounds like some kind of matching problem, because if I choose to replace the author with a very different one (instead of a slightly different one) it works
20:41 jcamins_away         Hrm.
20:41 jcamins_away         What are the authors that work/don't work?
20:43 oleonard             I have what I think is an auto-generated authority for "Leonard, A. Byron 1904- (Arthur Byron)," and an 'official' authority, "Leonard, A. Byron (Arthur Byron), 1904-"
20:43 jcamins_away         Oh, that's a display issue.
20:44 jcamins_away         Those are identical authority headings. The "Default" linker refuses to match things when there are more than one exact heading matches.
20:44 oleonard             But there really are two different authority records in my database
20:45 jcamins_away         Yeah, that's possible.
20:45 jcamins_away         The display issue is that they look like they're not identical.
20:45 jcamins_away         If you change LinkerModule to LastMatch or FirstMatch, it'll match one or the other.
20:46 oleonard             But if I edit my record and explicitly choose one of those two similar authorities, shouldn't it save with the one I chose, not with the other one?
20:46 jcamins_away         It probably should, yes.
20:46 jcamins_away         I would consider this a bug.
20:46 jcamins_away         I am right now trying to figure out how to fix it.
20:47 oleonard             So... separate issue?
20:47 jcamins_away         I'll do a follow-up patch.
20:47 oleonard             (from 7284)
20:48 jcamins_away         Yeah, but it's easy to fix with the framework I've set up with the initial patch.
20:48 jcamins_away         I'll do the follow-up when I get home.
20:48 jcamins_away         (half an hour)
20:49 jcamins_away         Ooh, I could even make what it does in that situation configurable!
20:49 oleonard             Thanks for the signoff on 6919
20:50 jcamins_away         You're welcome.
20:50 jcamins_away         Thanks for the testing of bug 7284!
20:50 huginn`              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7284 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Authority matching algorithm improvements
20:51 jcamins_away         Okay, better put my jacket on since we're about to get to my stop.
20:51 jcamins_away         Back in a few.
20:51 libsysguy            @later tell jcamins_away the script worked after a full reindex.  everything appears to be showing up
20:51 huginn`              libsysguy: The operation succeeded.
20:55 jcamins_away         Woohoo!
20:55 * jcamins_away       exits bus
20:57 maximep              and then walks
20:57 maximep              -_-
21:07 oleonard             Yay, step 5!
21:14 jcamins              maximep: yep.
21:15 oleonard             jcamins: Problem at step 9 I think
21:15 jcamins              oleonard: uh-oh!
21:15 oleonard             I did step 7, "Change the modified heading back to whatever it was, but don't use the authority control plugin to populate $9"
21:15 jcamins              Is this still the guy with two authority records?
21:15 oleonard             I got rid of the extra one
21:16 jcamins              Okay.
21:16 oleonard             Started with a new bib record too
21:16 jcamins              It didn't link?
21:16 oleonard             I did step 8, but at step 9 I found that the record was not linked
21:17 jcamins              Hm.
21:17 jcamins              That would be a sign that there's a problem.
21:17 jcamins              What is the heading you're testing it with?
21:17 oleonard             misc/link_bibs_to_authorities.pl --link-report --verbose --bib-limit="biblionumber=3748"
21:17 jcamins              I mean, in the bib record.
21:18 oleonard             Sorry, that wasn't in answer to your questions, just wanted to make sure that looked correct
21:18 jcamins              Ah.
21:18 jcamins              Yes, that looks correct to me.
21:19 oleonard             What do you mean by what is the heading I'm testing with?
21:20 jcamins              In step 7 you modified a heading in the bib record.
21:20 oleonard             Yes, still working with an author entry
21:21 jcamins              What's the exact heading? (I'll create an authority record and try linking that same heading)
21:21 oleonard             http://lccn.loc.gov/n50049786
21:25 jcamins              (downloading now)
21:29 chris_n              well, fwiw I now have a script that will walk through the entire catalog, checking every subfield of every bib and item validating UTF-8
21:30 jcamins              oleonard: I just tried and it worked.
21:31 jcamins              oleonard: you have rebuild_zebra running with -a in your crontab, right?
21:31 oleonard             misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra -z -b -a
21:31 jcamins              Okay, that should do it.
21:32 oleonard             gotta pick this up again tomorrow, sorry.
21:32 jcamins              That's okay.
21:32 jcamins              Thanks for looking at it.
21:32 * oleonard           is off to retrieve children
21:32 jcamins              oleonard++
21:34 * chris_n            heads out too
21:41 * jcamins            ponders bug 7518.
21:41 huginn`              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7518 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , searches with quotation marks don't work
21:42 jcamins              melia: around?
21:42 melia                yep
21:43 jcamins              melia: what were you getting at with bug 7518? If Koha ignored quotation marks, it would break the principle of least surprise- Google (and other search engines) uses quotation marks to mark phrases.
21:43 jcamins              I mean, if it entirely ignored.
21:44 jcamins              So I'm wondering what you would want it to do.
21:44 melia                maybe I don't understand how the quotation marks are supposed to work
21:44 melia                but no matter what I put in quotation marks, I get no results
21:44 melia                is that normal?
21:44 jcamins              (disclaimer: without a complete rewrite of C4::Search, the behavior can't be changed, but I'm curious)
21:44 jcamins              Like, if you put a single word in quotation marks?
21:44 melia                yes. like "arts" or "health"
21:45 melia                one library pointed me at this: http://hslcat.med.nyu.edu/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=%22health%22
21:45 melia                which returns results even if "health" is inside of quotation marks
21:45 melia                but when I try searching with "health" I get no results
21:46 jcamins              Is this a public OPAC?
21:46 melia                yes. I think so.
21:47 jcamins              I mean, the one with the problem.
21:48 jcamins              melia: so, the short answer is that the behavior you're describing is not normal for Koha.
21:49 jcamins              It's almost certainly an ICU misconfiguration or -- much less likely -- a typo in ccl.properties.
21:49 melia                ok. that helps. I tested on my test system (which is master). but let me test on a few more public opacs and see what happens.
21:50 jcamins              So you're seeing this on latest master?
21:50 melia                yes I did this morning. but let me do a bit more checking to make sure.
21:50 * jcamins            tries.
21:50 jcamins              Huh.
21:50 melia                is it working for you?
21:50 jcamins              No.
21:50 melia                darn
21:51 * jcamins            feels foolish.
21:51 jcamins              I was so busy working on something else in my VM that I just tested that on a production server, which, of course, worked fine.
21:51 melia                don't feel foolish! this is only the first or second bug I've ever reported, and I wasn't sure if it was just me doing something wrong, or if it was really a bug.
21:53 melia                ok here is a public OPAC on the latest master where it definitely doesn't work: http://booksearch.americanalpineclub.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=%22health%22
21:54 jcamins              Well, what's foolish is that I didn't think to try it on master first. ;)
21:54 jcamins              It doesn't work on my VM, so that simplifies testing.
21:54 jcamins              And is bad.
21:54 jcamins              Almost certainly ICU.
21:55 jcamins              Orr... not.
21:55 melia                I think it works on stable 3.6. here's a public OPAC running stable 3.6 that seems to work fine: http://catalog.shasta.bywatersolutions.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=%22health%22
21:56 jcamins              Yeah, it works in 3.6.3.
21:57 * collum             just tried it on latest master and it works fine.  Very odd.
21:57 jcamins              collum: I'm still hoping it's ICU.
21:57 collum               yep
21:58 * jcamins            is using ICU on his VM.
21:58 melia                I'm hoping it was broken but has already been magically fixed again :)
21:59 * jcamins            rebuilds his Zebra indexes without ICU.
22:01 jcamins              Hm.
22:01 jcamins              I have a corrupt record.
22:01 jcamins              tcohen++ # because I think he's responsible for the useful warning about corrupt records.
22:21 eythian              http://www.debian.org/News/2012/20120209 <-- in case anyone is still running it, security support for lenny is no longer available
22:22 jcamins              That seems awfully fast.
22:22 eythian              a year after the release of the next one is their general policy.
22:23 jcamins              Huh.
22:23 eythian              There has been talk of long-term support for some releases, but I don't think it's in place yet.
22:23 * jcamins            switched to Squeeze immediately.
22:23 jcamins              The lack of MySQL 5.1 was a pretty big issue for me with Lenny.
22:23 jcamins              Okay, that's weird.
22:24 eythian              We started on testing and switched to squeeze when it came out, to avoid the need of doing a real upgrade.
22:24 jcamins              I disabled ICU and "smith" (with quotes) still doesn't return any results.
22:28 jcamins              eythian: do you have a master install handy?
22:28 eythian              jcamins: I do, although its zebra config is a bit out of date.
22:28 jcamins              Okay, never mind.
22:28 jcamins              Actually, you might as well try searching for a single word in quotes.
22:28 eythian              I should probably update it.
22:28 jcamins              Another data point.
22:28 eythian              OK, booting it up now.
22:29 jcamins              I'm wondering if there isn't a problem in the latest Zebra config.
22:30 jcamins              collum: around?
22:30 collum               jcamins: The koha instance I am working on is about a month old.  I have not updated Zebra since the installation.
22:30 eythian              jcamins: �kw,wrdl: "health" � returned 951 results.
22:30 collum               yep
22:31 eythian              jcamins: �kw,wrdl: health � returned 951 results.
22:31 jcamins              collum: ah, that was the question.
22:31 collum               thought so
22:31 jcamins              eythian: is that with updated zebra config?
22:31 eythian              (assuming that's what you were asking for)
22:31 jcamins              eythian: that is.
22:31 eythian              no, this is an old config
22:31 jcamins              Okay.
22:31 eythian              I'll update the config, reindex, and see what happens
22:31 jcamins              Thanks!
22:32 * jcamins            waves to lculber.
22:32 lculber              waves back at jcamins
22:33 jcamins              Wow. I've contributed to 19 books in my test catalog. I think it may be about time to use someone else's name for testing authority-related things.
22:33 lculber              We are still having problems rebuilding zebra on our production server for biblios using -b -x -v -r on one instance only. All other instances work
22:33 jcamins              Oh, wait, no, some of them are my brothers.
22:33 jcamins              lculber: and you checked permissions?
22:34 lculber              yes and the permissions are okay. We restored the indexes from backup and are  up for the day and cataloging normally but need to do a reindex tonight if possible
22:35 jcamins              Can you reindex authorities without a problem?
22:35 lculber              zebrsrv works as far as we can tell, but the rebuild empties the index and doesn't rebuild
22:35 lculber              and only on the one instance
22:36 lculber              we haven't tried to reindex authorities, only biblios.  since we use -x we do them separately
22:36 jcamins              Hm.
22:36 jcamins              I'd be curious to know whether the problem is the database or Zebra.
22:37 jcamins              Did anything change between when it worked and when it didn't?
22:37 lculber              We copied the database over to the other instances and reindexed them there - no problem. So I don't think it is the database.  Also did it in 3.6 with no problem
22:37 jcamins              3.6 running in parallel on the same machine?
22:37 jcamins              To clarify, I meant Zebra database.
22:37 lculber              3.6 is on another machine than the 3.4 instances
22:38 jcamins              Oh, but is there another instance on this machine that successfully reindexed?
22:38 lculber              2 instances on the same machine with the same data reindexed successfully
22:39 jcamins              Okay.
22:39 jcamins              That rules out a systemic Zebra problem.
22:39 jcamins              So it's not permissions on /dev/null
22:40 * jcamins            doesn't know why, but if /dev/null isn't world writable, Zebra does weird things.
22:40 lculber              We also have been cataloging all day, so the permissions in zebra itself work.  Its the rebuild that is broken
22:40 jcamins              Oh, so it even works with -z?
22:41 lculber              It has been doing the records as they have been cataloged, yes.  But when we do the -r, it cleans the database, and then stops.  It never rebuilds the index
22:42 jcamins              Wow.
22:42 jcamins              That's an original.
22:42 jcamins              (not what you wanted to hear, I know)
22:42 lculber              We've run a diff on the scripts and they appear to be the same
22:42 eythian              Some recent change to rebuild_zebra has stopped it outputting a lot of useful diagnostics I think.
22:42 jcamins              eythian: but this is on 3.4.
22:42 jcamins              This is 3.4, right?
22:42 lculber              Yes this is 3.4
22:42 eythian              oh right
22:43 jcamins              I can't think of *any* explanation for this.
22:43 eythian              http://paste.koha-community.org/248 <-- that was the output
22:43 lculber              Right
22:44 eythian              Some time long in the past, I edit rebuild zebra to output the commands it was running, and did it all by hand.
22:44 eythian              In order to solve a similar problem
22:44 lculber              I found zebraidx -c /etc/koha/zebradb/zebra-biblios.cfg -g iso2709 -d biblios init on http://manual.koha-community.org/3.4/en/resetzebra.html would that help?
22:44 eythian              it's very tedious, but was helpful.
22:44 eythian              lculber: it might help, hard to say. It probably won't make things worse.
22:45 jcamins              lculber: it's worth a try.
22:45 lculber              I could try that zebraidx -c /path/to/zebra-biblios.cfg drop biblios again too maybe
22:46 eythian              perhaps try moving the whole zebra database out of the way and creating a new one
22:46 jcamins              Remind me never to use -v -v again.
22:46 eythian              heh
22:47 jcamins              On the other hand, -v doesn't provide any output at all.
22:47 eythian              on what command?
22:47 jcamins              rebuild_zebra.
22:47 wahanui              rebuild_zebra is already there but only every 10 mins....
22:47 jcamins              I mean, it provides the super-brief output.
22:47 lculber              eythian:  moving it out of the way.  - you mean maybe renaming so it will go to a different place on the drive or what?
22:47 eythian              -v gives some output for me, but not as much as I'd like
22:47 eythian              lculber: exactly, yeah
22:47 jcamins              Agreed.
22:47 eythian              rename it to "biblios_broken" or something
22:48 jcamins              lculber: how much disk space do you have left on /tmp?
22:48 eythian              ohh, good though
22:48 eythian              t
22:48 jcamins              That will fail completely silently.
22:49 lculber              jcamins: we have about 12G in tmp
22:49 jcamins              Hm. That should be enough for it to at least get part of the way through.
22:49 * jcamins            looks closer.
22:49 jcamins              Actually, you don't need that much space on /tmp.
22:50 jcamins              What about on /var?
22:50 * cait               waves
22:50 jcamins              cait: what time is it?
22:50 cait                 ...
22:50 lculber              jcamins:  my bad. 312G in /tmp
22:51 eythian              that's a very huge /tmp
22:51 jcamins              lculber: definitely enough space!
22:51 jcamins              That's a lot of space.
22:51 lculber              We wanted room to grow and that' where it sits
22:52 jcamins              How much space on /var?
22:52 eythian              (I just did a rebuild of 40,000 records with 863MB free :)
22:52 maximep              so maybe we need a -v, a -v -v  and a -v -v -v
22:52 maximep              :p
22:53 jcamins              maximep: agreed.
22:53 jcamins              Ugh.
22:53 maximep              id like something that shows the biblionumber when one fails to rebuild
22:53 jcamins              I'm so tired I apparently can't handle truth tables.
22:53 jcamins              maximep: someone added that.
22:53 jcamins              Didn't they?
22:53 maximep              i'm so tired i'm doing koha translations
22:54 jcamins              eythian: are you awake enough to help me with a truth table?
22:54 jcamins              Never mind.
22:54 jcamins              Drawing it out helped.
22:54 eythian              jcamins: well, it's a bit early in the morning for me, but I can try :)
22:54 eythian              ah right
22:54 maximep              but then again, I need a bit of energy to rant agains the translating system
22:54 lculber              we have space 80GB hard drive in there that is empty
22:54 jcamins              Okay, it's not a disk space issue.
22:55 jcamins              There's something we're missing here.
22:55 jcamins              When will you be able to do a rebuild?
22:55 lculber              right. Not a space issue.  Its a weirdness issue
22:55 * jcamins            likes to check, just to be sure.
22:55 lculber              At 5PM CST
22:55 lculber              6 minutes
22:56 jcamins              Okay, we're going to make a small change to rebuild_zebra and then try a rebuild.
22:56 jcamins              Lemme identify the change.
22:59 jcamins              Somewhere in rebuild_zebra.pl is a line that looks something like "-v none,warn" -- do you see that?
23:00 lculber              my $zebraidx_log_opt = " -v none,fatal,warn ";
23:00 jcamins              Yes.
23:00 jcamins              Change that to "-v none,fatal,warn,all"
23:00 wahanui              jcamins: that doesn't look right
23:01 eythian              jcamins: did you just crash wahanui?
23:01 lculber              Okay done
23:01 jcamins              eythian: I did.
23:02 cait                 bad jcamins, no cookie for you ;)
23:02 eythian              [12304] exchange got response(that doesn't look right)
23:02 eythian              [12305] </#koha> jcamins: that doesn't look right
23:02 eythian              [12305] Connecting to port 6667 of server irc.oftc.net (173.225.186.74)...
23:02 eythian              [12306]  connected.
23:02 jcamins              lculber: okay, now we want to run: misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -x -r > ~/rebuild.log
23:02 eythian              odd, it doesn't know what happened
23:03 jcamins              Then in a different window run tail -f ~/rebuild.log
23:03 jcamins              (so you can see what it's doing)
23:03 lculber              should I try to do the move or any of the other scripts first?
23:04 eythian              probably not
23:04 eythian              this'll give you research data at the least
23:04 jcamins              No, better to do rebuild_zebra in situ.
23:06 eythian              hmm, -v -v is a bit over the top, you're right
23:06 jcamins              eythian: ya think?!?
23:07 eythian              it should just add the 'log' part back in. Then -v -v -v for having all
23:07 jcamins              Agreed.
23:07 lculber              jcamins:  so far rebuild log is empty
23:07 jcamins              It's empty?
23:08 jcamins              Entirely?
23:08 eythian              what's on the screen of the rebuild?
23:08 eythian              maybe everything goes to stderr
23:08 jcamins              eythian: ooh, could be.
23:09 lculber              eythian: the screen on the rebuild just shows the command
23:10 jcamins              Hm.
23:10 eythian              that's weird
23:10 jcamins              That's very weird.
23:10 jcamins              Wait...
23:10 jcamins              I know what it is.
23:10 jcamins              Hit Ctrl-C.
23:10 jcamins              This is 3.4.
23:10 jcamins              The -v switch did something different.
23:10 eythian              it did?
23:10 eythian              I don't recall it doing anything different
23:10 jcamins              Yeah, it was required for any output at all.
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23:11 jcamins              Add "-v" to the command I gave you earlier.
23:11 * jcamins            looks embarrassed.
23:11 jcamins              Or it's possible that I've been doing my zebra testing with a hacked up version.
23:11 eythian              oh, of course
23:11 jcamins              <.<
23:11 jcamins              >.>
23:11 lculber              jcamins:  I think it is still running. It looks like it is
23:11 jcamins              lculber: yeah, but we need the output.
23:12 jcamins              So if you Ctrl-C it, we'll start over with the -v.
23:12 jcamins              melia: do you know if you're using ICU on your VM?
23:12 melia                not sure jcamins. sorry
23:13 jcamins              melia: well, I'm going to assume you are since all reports point to bug 7518 applying only to ICU-enabled installations.
23:13 huginn`              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7518 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , searches with quotation marks don't work
23:13 melia                okey doke
23:14 eythian              I'm almost done with updating/rebuilding my zebra stuff
23:14 lculber              jcamins:  So /usr/share/catalog/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -x -r -v  > ~/rebuild.log
23:14 jcamins              Exactly.
23:15 jcamins              Is there anything in ~/rebuild.log now?
23:15 eythian              jcamins: fwiw, with the default zebra config in koha, quotes don't break things
23:15 lculber              jcamins:  Okay.  Now I am getting the biblio numbers just like I do in a normal rebuild in the rebuild.log
23:15 jcamins              eythian: thanks. That's what I thought.
23:16 jcamins              lculber: okay, good.
23:38 lculber              jcamins there?
23:38 wahanui              jcamins there are lots of tools - i use screenflow
23:38 jcamins              lculber: yup.
23:39 lculber              jcamins:  at the end of the the it shows CLEANING  and then nothing.  Just like before.
23:40 jcamins              lculber: I'm interested in the part under REINDEXING zebra.
23:40 jcamins              There's going to be a lot.
23:40 lculber              Before it has Records exported: 1048688.   REINDEXING zebra   Cleaning       Then nothing else
23:41 jcamins              *nothing*?
23:41 jcamins              That's not even as much as you got before
23:41 lculber              nothing.  and our indexes have been empty
23:41 jcamins              Hm.
23:41 eythian              lculber: can you post the output somewhere?
23:42 lculber              The whole thing or just he last part?  The rest is just the numbers of biblios.
23:42 lculber              he/the/
23:43 eythian              all of it is best
23:44 lculber              the rebuild log is 109K
23:44 YoungPublicLibrarian my library is just getting ready to convert to Koha...We are currently using Voyager/ExLibris.
23:45 jcamins              lculber: can you share it via a public dropbox or the like?
23:45 jcamins              YoungPublicLibrarian: congratulations!
23:45 YoungPublicLibrarian Thanks, we will acutally move to the new system in march. Right now we have a test site up and are looking at it for training...we're both excited and nervous!
23:46 lculber              Could I send it to you and you do it?
23:46 jcamins              lculber: sure.
23:46 jcamins              You have my e-mail message. :)
23:46 jcamins              *address
23:47 jcamins              Well, at least the word had the right number of 'a's and 's's.
23:48 lculber              yes.  I just emailed it to you
23:48 jcamins              Hrm.
23:48 * jcamins            is looking.
23:48 jcamins              That's *really* weird.
23:49 jcamins              There's not even an error message back in the export.
23:49 * jcamins            was hoping.
23:51 jcamins              Okay... is it possible that the change to rebuild_zebra didn't do what we wanted?
23:53 jcamins              zebraidx--
23:55 jcamins              Okay, let's try a different modification.
23:55 jcamins              Open up rebuild_zebra.pl and find the "$zebraidx_log_opt = ''" line.
23:55 jcamins              Should be around line 100.
23:56 jcamins              (I'm still deciding what to put in there.
23:57 lculber              okay
23:57 jcamins              Put "-v all" in those quotes.