Time  Nick            Message
01:23 iscared         hello, it's bart i was a student at the catalyst academy, i just got my ssh key from my other laptop - someone at catalyst helped me set it up - but i cant ssh onto my server from here? firstly is it possible for me to do so? and assuming it is do i need to do something to my ssh key to get it to work :)
01:24 jcamins_away    iscared: you need to put the id_rsa and id_rsa.pub files into .ssh
01:24 jcamins_away    Then do chmod -R 600 ~/.ssh
01:25 jcamins_away    Chances are the problem is that the permissions are wrong on the files.
01:29 iscared         okay thanks ill try that :)
01:29 jcamins_away    You're welcome. What are you working on? :)
01:29 iscared         right i think i got told to do that but forgot it on the way home
01:29 iscared         ummm nothing right now just setting up my server then i might play with koha widgets or something :)
01:30 jcamins_away    iscared: right, I figured you were currently trying to log on to your server. ;)
01:44 iscared         jcamins_away: when i enter the chmod -R... command i get a permission denied error. i may have done the first step wrong could you walk me through it perhaps? :) i tried a few google hits but i cant quite follow them
01:45 jcamins_away    Sure.
01:45 jcamins_away    Are you logged in as your user?
01:48 iscared         ummm, yeah
01:49 jcamins         And you're not using sudo?
01:50 iscared         nope
01:50 jcamins         Okay.
01:51 jcamins         Run: ls ~/.ssh
01:51 jcamins         What does that say?
01:52 iscared         ls: cannot access /home/bart/.ssh/id_dsa: Permission denied ls: cannot access /home/bart/.ssh/id_dsa.pub: Permission denied ls: cannot access /home/bart/.ssh/known_hosts: Permission denied id_dsa  id_dsa.pub  known_host
01:54 jcamins         Weird!
01:54 jcamins         Okay...
01:54 iscared         yeah :P
01:54 jcamins         chown -R bart:bart .ssh
01:55 eythian         sudo ...
01:55 iscared         oh right
01:56 iscared         okay
01:56 iscared         should i ls it again?
01:56 jcamins         Yup.
01:57 iscared         same message as before :/
01:58 eythian         ls -ld ~/.ssh
01:58 jcamins         eythian: why does Catalyst use DSA?
01:58 eythian         oh
01:58 eythian         jcamins: not sure, isn't it default?
01:58 eythian         iscared: chmod 700 ~/.ssh
01:58 eythian         that should solve it
01:59 jcamins         eythian: maybe, I was always told to use -t rsa.
01:59 eythian         I apparently use RSA
01:59 eythian         I don't think we have any standards on such things.
01:59 jcamins         iscared: sorry about that, I forgot that directories need to have +x.
01:59 iscared         bart@bart-U30Sd:~$ ls ~/.ssh
01:59 iscared         id_dsa  id_dsa.pub  known_hosts
01:59 iscared         that seems right aye?
02:00 iscared         thankyou :)
02:00 jcamins         iscared: yeah, that looks promising.
02:00 jcamins         Can you SSH in?
02:01 iscared         ill try
02:02 iscared         i think that's working, one sec
02:04 mtj             iscared:  use the '-vv' arg for ssh, too
02:04 mtj             ... eg: 'ssh -vv user@hosts'
02:05 mtj             (it makes debugging ssh problems easier)
02:07 iscared         okay, just with ssh i got Permission denied (publickey). ill vv it
02:08 eythian         that means you're not allowed to log in
02:09 eythian         because you don't have the right key perhaps.
02:10 iscared         hmm okay, i got the key from another laptop today but perhaps it was taken incorrectly or something, ill try to get in touch with catalyst so i can try get the key
02:10 iscared         thanks everyone :)
02:13 eythian         well, it may also mean that it's not attempting to use the key
02:13 eythian         I don't know why that'd be though
02:13 eythian         see what -vvv says I guess
02:15 iscared         okay
02:16 iscared         debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey
02:16 iscared         debug1: Next authentication method: publickey
02:16 iscared         debug1: Trying private key: /home/bart/.ssh/identity
02:16 iscared         debug1: Trying private key: /home/bart/.ssh/id_rsa
02:16 iscared         debug1: Trying private key: /home/bart/.ssh/id_dsa
02:16 iscared         debug2: we did not send a packet, disable method
02:17 iscared         debug1: No more authentication methods to try.
02:17 iscared         Permission denied (publickey).
02:17 iscared         thats the last few lines
02:17 iscared         after i -vv
02:18 iscared         wait sorry i think that was using .host instead of @host
02:20 iscared         OpenSSH_5.3p1 Debian-3ubuntu7, OpenSSL 0.9.8k 25 Mar 2009
02:20 iscared         debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config
02:20 iscared         debug1: Applying options for *
02:20 iscared         debug2: ssh_connect: needpriv 0
02:20 iscared         debug1: Connecting to catalyst.net.nz [202.78.242.134] port 22.
02:20 iscared         debug1: connect to address 202.78.242.134 port 22: Connection timed out
02:21 iscared         ssh: connect to host catalyst.net.nz port 22: Connection timed out
02:21 iscared         does that help?
02:21 jcamins         iscared: you aren't using the right hostname.
02:22 iscared         are you sure? sorry i ddint realise, do you know what it is
02:22 jcamins         iscared: I do not, but it looks like you're trying to connect to catalyst.net.nz.
02:23 jcamins         Which is the domain for your e-mail address, but almost certainly not the right machine for your work.
02:23 iscared         oh sorry ill try andd get that sorted :) thanks
02:23 eythian         yeah, you certainly can't connect to that
02:23 * jcamins       suggests bugging eythian.
02:24 * jcamins       does it all the time.
02:24 eythian         it might be leibniz.catalyst.net.nz
02:24 eythian         but, I'm not sure.
02:24 jcamins         Leibniz?
02:24 jcamins         Is that a very small machine?
02:24 jcamins         :)
02:25 iscared         ill try that and get back to you in a second
02:26 iscared         eythian: it said network is unreachable
02:27 eythian         Not sure. It worked for me, accessing it internally. I've never really used that, I use the VPN.
02:27 eythian         However it doesn't work for me going via the US
02:28 eythian         (though, I get connection refused rather than network unreachable)
02:29 eythian         I'd probably have a word to the person who set up the keys, for all I know they may have set up a server for this purpose.
02:29 iscared         okay thanks :)
02:29 * jcamins       tries to install CollectiveAccess.
02:29 rangi           its academy something something
02:30 rangi           hosted by wheresmyserver
02:30 rangi           assuming you paid them to keep it up ;)
02:30 jcamins         rangi: the academy is over already?
02:30 jcamins         Wow!
02:31 jcamins         That was fast.
02:31 rangi           academy14.catalyst.net.nz or something like that
02:31 rangi           yeah, 2 weeks jcamins
02:31 rangi           http://academy17.catalyst.net.nz/ <-- thats someones
02:32 * jcamins       watches his cat slide across half the room on his bottom, skidding into the wall before bouncing up onto a foot rest.
02:34 iscared         yea im 19, and i can still see the website up buut the server people didnt get back to me, im starting to worry i might have just imagining giving them my email from the website
02:35 jcamins         Cats are endlessly entertaining.
02:36 iscared         jcamins: haha
02:38 eythian         iscared: how long ago did you do that?
02:40 iscared         give the wheresmyserver people my email? i thought i did it just as academy ended a week or two ago but i resent it just then incasse im dilusional
02:44 jcamins         Grr. Why do people still use centralized version control systems?
02:44 rangi           iscared: so you should be ssh academy19.catalyst.net.nz then
02:45 rangi           is that what you were doing?
02:45 iscared         yea i tried that
02:45 iscared         ill try again incase
02:45 rangi           try with the -vv
02:46 iscared         last lines it gives back are
02:46 iscared         debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey
02:46 iscared         debug1: Next authentication method: publickey
02:46 iscared         debug1: Trying private key: /home/bart/.ssh/identity
02:46 iscared         debug1: Trying private key: /home/bart/.ssh/id_rsa
02:46 iscared         debug1: Trying private key: /home/bart/.ssh/id_dsa
02:46 iscared         debug2: we did not send a packet, disable method
02:46 iscared         debug1: No more authentication methods to try.
02:46 iscared         Permission denied (publickey).
02:46 iscared         perhaps the key i got was wrooong
02:46 rangi           because it definitely should not be 202.78.242.134
02:46 rangi           what was the ipnumber it was connecting too?
02:46 rangi           210.4.211.182 ?
02:47 iscared         oone sec
02:50 iscared         when i ssh on to academy19@catalyst.net.nz the i[ is 202.78.242.134
02:51 rangi           yeah thats not right
02:51 rangi           can you check your /etc/hosts file ?
02:51 rangi           oh
02:51 rangi           its not
02:51 rangi           academy19@catalyst.net.nz
02:51 rangi           its
02:51 rangi           academy.catalyst.net.nz
02:52 rangi           . not @
02:52 iscared         ive been trying both ill tell u the . error though
02:53 rangi           yeah academy19@ will never work thats trying to log in as the academy19 user to some random catalyst server
02:54 iscared         its um debug1: Next authentication method: publickey
02:54 iscared         debug1: Trying private key: /home/bart/.ssh/identity
02:54 iscared         debug1: Trying private key: /home/bart/.ssh/id_rsa
02:54 iscared         debug1: Trying private key: /home/bart/.ssh/id_dsa
02:54 iscared         debug2: we did not send a packet, disable method
02:54 iscared         debug1: No more authentication methods to try.
02:54 iscared         Permission denied (publickey).
02:54 iscared         its longer that thatt, thats just tje bit at the end
02:54 rangi           yup, whats the ipnumber for that, to just check its the right server
02:54 eythian         iscared: also include your command line when you paste something, makes it easier to spot what you're doing.
02:55 iscared         bart@academy19:~$ ssh -vv academy19.catalyst.net.nz
02:55 iscared         OpenSSH_5.3p1 Debian-3ubuntu7, OpenSSL 0.9.8k 25 Mar 2009
02:55 iscared         debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config
02:55 iscared         debug1: Applying options for *
02:55 iscared         debug2: ssh_connect: needpriv 0
02:55 iscared         debug1: Connecting to academy19.catalyst.net.nz [210.4.211.182] port 22.
02:55 iscared         debug1: Connection established.
02:55 iscared         debug1: identity file /home/bart/.ssh/identity type -1
02:55 iscared         debug1: identity file /home/bart/.ssh/id_rsa type -1
02:55 iscared         debug1: identity file /home/bart/.ssh/id_dsa type -1
02:55 iscared         debug1: Remote protocol version 2.0, remote software version OpenSSH_5.3p1 Debian-3ubuntu7
02:56 iscared         debug1: match: OpenSSH_5.3p1 Debian-3ubuntu7 pat OpenSSH*
02:56 iscared         debug1: Enabling compatibility mode for protocol 2.0
02:56 iscared         debug1: Local version string SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.3p1 Debian-3ubuntu7
02:56 iscared         debug2: fd 3 setting O_NONBLOCK
02:56 iscared         debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT sent
02:56 iscared         debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT received
02:56 iscared         debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: diffie-hellman-group-exchange-sha256,diffie-hellman-group-exchange-sha1,diffie-hellman-group14-sha1,diffie-hellman-group1-sha1
02:56 iscared         debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: ssh-rsa,ssh-dss
02:56 iscared         debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: aes128-ctr,aes192-ctr,aes256-ctr,arcfour256,arcfour128,aes128-cbc,3des-cbc,blowfish-cbc,cast128-cbc,aes192-cbc,aes256-cbc,arcfour,rijndael-cbc@lysator.liu.se
02:56 iscared         debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: aes128-ctr,aes192-ctr,aes256-ctr,arcfour256,arcfour128,aes128-cbc,3des-cbc,blowfish-cbc,cast128-cbc,aes192-cbc,aes256-cbc,arcfour,rijndael-cbc@lysator.liu.se
02:56 rangi           right, so thats at least the right machine that time
02:56 iscared         debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: hmac-md5,hmac-sha1,umac-64@openssh.com,hmac-ripemd160,hmac-ripemd160@openssh.com,hmac-sha1-96,hmac-md5-96
02:56 iscared         debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: hmac-md5,hmac-sha1,umac-64@openssh.com,hmac-ripemd160,hmac-ripemd160@openssh.com,hmac-sha1-96,hmac-md5-96
02:56 iscared         debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: none,zlib@openssh.com,zlib
02:56 iscared         debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: none,zlib@openssh.com,zlib
02:56 iscared         debug2: kex_parse_kexinit:
02:56 iscared         debug2: kex_parse_kexinit:
02:56 iscared         debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: first_kex_follows 0
02:56 iscared         debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: reserved 0
02:56 iscared         debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: diffie-hellman-group-exchange-sha256,diffie-hellman-group-exchange-sha1,diffie
02:56 iscared         i cant see a ip
02:56 iscared         sorry thats long
02:56 iscared         wait hang on
02:56 iscared         okay :)
02:56 rangi           academy19.catalyst.net.nz [210.4.211.182]
02:56 rangi           thats right
02:57 eythian         what is your username on the machine you want to connect to?
02:57 rangi           yeah could well just be the wrong key
02:58 mtj             iscared: use this for pasting ;) -> http://paste.koha-community.org/
02:58 eythian         iscared: make sure you know what username you need to connect as.
02:58 eythian         If you have it wrong, you'll get results like this.
02:58 iscared         okay well i'll try to arrange a time to come back into catalyst and see if i can re-attempt to get the ssh key off the academy laptop i was using
02:58 pastebot        "mtj" at 203.97.99.222 pasted "meep" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/238
02:59 iscared         mtj: oh cool
02:59 rangi           test logging in with that laptop too, to make sure its the right key :)
03:00 iscared         alright :) well i cant do that till atleast tomorrow :) i'll try and get back to you guys later if it works
03:00 mtj             rangi++ set up the pastebot
03:00 rangi           iscared: good luck :)
03:00 rangi           did you see you are famous?
03:01 rangi           http://koha-community.org/koha-newsletter-volume-3-issue-1-january-2012/#academy
03:04 iscared         oh that's coool :)
03:05 rangi           http://www.worldcat.org/title/official-koha-newsletter/oclc/550595069&referer=brief_results
03:06 rangi           its even fully catalogued, with an ISSN and everything, so its an official journal publication :)
03:11 rangi           lol
03:33 AmitG           heya bag
03:59 Judit           hi, anyone using the sms sending function in Koha? any advice?
04:02 Brooke          o/
04:46 cait            hi #koha
04:46 Brooke          0/
04:46 cait            hi Brooke :)
04:46 Brooke          wie geht's?
04:47 Judit           es dir
04:47 Judit           no?
04:47 wahanui         it has been said that no is failing unit tests
04:48 cait            all ok
04:48 cait            busy :)
04:48 cait            and how are you?
04:48 Brooke          good enough for gummint woik
04:49 cait            oh new job?
04:49 wahanui         new job is probably a *lot* of information *real* fast.
04:50 Brooke          I wish
04:50 Brooke          nope
04:50 cait            soon :)
04:58 eythian         hi
04:59 Brooke          what's up eyth?
04:59 cait            hi eythian - go home.
05:00 eythian         Brooke: not much, finally expecting to get back onto Koha work tomorrow. Been stolen for something else for this month.
05:00 eythian         cait: it's too early for people over there to be up, isn't it?
05:00 Brooke          how many times do I have to scold you about improper sheep usage?
05:00 cait            come here and find out ;)
05:00 Brooke          It's never too early or late for Cait. She's got immunity.
05:00 cait            thx Brooke
05:00 * Brooke        believes that Cait is secretly a Timelord...
05:01 Judit           or just a coffee addict
05:01 cait            nah, no coffee for me
05:01 cait            ask my friends, they will all tell you the same
05:01 Judit           hmm
05:02 cait            :)
05:03 cait            more an internet addict probably
05:05 Judit           haha so you are getting your caffeine does through an ethernet cable?
05:05 cait            lol
05:47 cait            hi AmitG
06:01 rangi           Evening
06:02 Judit           there is this guy, who decided to cycle across new zealand
06:02 Judit           http://laidbacktouring.blogspot.com.au/
06:03 cait            evening rangi
06:13 eythian         Judit: that's pretty common
06:14 eythian         surprisingly common, perhaps
06:15 eythian         I'm always surprised that someone would do that, anyway
06:15 Judit           is it common?
06:15 Judit           i love the idea anyway
06:15 eythian         I know of a few people that have done it
06:15 Judit           have you
06:16 Judit           ?
06:18 eythian         No
06:18 eythian         The most I've done is the central otago rail trail
06:18 eythian         but that's only 150km
06:19 rangi           paul probably has (paul one of the catalyst directors)
06:19 rangi           he does some mad long bike rides
06:20 Judit           central otago rail
06:20 Judit           sounds good
06:36 AmitG           heya cait
07:50 magnuse         kia ora #koha
08:05 asaurat         hi
08:05 wahanui         hi, asaurat
08:08 julian_m        hello
08:15 hdl             hi
08:15 wahanui         what's up, hdl
08:22 gaetan_B        hello #koha!
08:28 paul_p          hello #koha
08:29 rangi           hi gaetan_B hdl julian_m asaurat and paul_p
08:29 paul_p          snow in Provence today (but no snow in Marseille itself)
08:30 paul_p          some of us will work from home, some have a meeting with customer, only 6 at BibLibre office today...
08:33 asaurat         we see tumbleweeds rolling
08:55 asaurat         did someone here have problems with the remove_items_from_biblioitems.pl script ? it seems that sometimes it doesn't work but I can't tell why yet
08:55 rangi           havent run into any problems on any of the sites ive upgraded
08:56 kf              we had no errors or problems, so far everything looks good
09:02 asaurat         last week I read here that someone had issues with it, but I can't remember who :/
09:02 kf              check the logs .)
09:02 kf              irc logs?
09:02 wahanui         irc logs are http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/
09:03 asaurat         oh nice, didn't know that :D
09:22 rangi           http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDedomXHElA
09:23 rangi           that will fix everything
09:24 magnuse         yay!
09:45 magnuse         @wunder boo
09:45 huginn`         magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -3.0�C (10:20 AM CET on January 31, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: -9.0�C. Windchill: -10.0�C. Pressure: 30.77 in 1042 hPa (Steady).
09:45 magnuse         @wunder longyearbyen
09:45 huginn`         magnuse: Error: No such location could be found.
09:46 magnuse         @wunder lyr
09:46 huginn`         magnuse: The current temperature in Svalbard, Norway is 3.0�C (9:50 AM CET on January 31, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: -1.0�C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
09:46 magnuse         that's not right, it can't be!
10:12 kf              magnuse: too warm?
10:12 kf              @wunder Konstanz
10:12 huginn`         kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 0.0�C (11:00 AM CET on January 31, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: -4.0�C. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018 hPa (Falling).
10:12 magnuse         spitzbergen is 6 degrees hotter than here - yesterday it was the hottest place in norway
10:13 magnuse         that's not how it's supposed to be
10:13 magnuse         @wunder rrs
10:13 huginn`         magnuse: The current temperature in Roros Lufthavn, Norway is -25.0�C (10:50 AM CET on January 31, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: -29.0�C. Pressure: 30.71 in 1040 hPa (Steady).
10:35 Culiforge       That looks like fine weather to me
10:35 Culiforge       @wunder 49037
10:35 huginn`         Culiforge: The current temperature in Battle Creek, Michigan is 6.0�C (4:53 AM EST on January 31, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Windchill: 2.0�C. Pressure: 29.90 in 1012 hPa (Rising).
11:05 paul_p          @weather Marseille, France
11:05 huginn`         paul_p: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 4.0�C (11:30 AM CET on January 31, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
11:05 Culiforge       could someone point me to any documentation for getting my zebra permissions straightened out. I haven't been able to find anything on the wiki.
11:08 Culiforge       Or is it possible to reinstall the koha-common package and overwrite permissions to default?
11:15 kf              you can do a chown on the whole directory I think
11:15 kf              not sure where it lives for the packages, - magnuse might now
11:16 magnuse         hm, the packages should take care of the permissions automatically
11:18 Culiforge       I like should... I'll give it a go then. Thanks kf and magnuse
11:19 magnuse         Culiforge: what's your problem?
11:21 Culiforge       well.... in the course of trying to get koha installed and running, I tried a few different methods unsuccessfully. Even with the uninstall info for each of those methods it seems there's still some ghosts left behind and my zebra won't run right.
11:21 magnuse         ah
11:23 magnuse         when you install with the packages you do everything as root/sudo, so i'd think that would get rid of any ghosts
11:23 magnuse         sudo?
11:23 wahanui         sudo is just so people wont rm -rfrandom stuff
11:23 magnuse         sudo is http://xkcd.com/149/
11:23 magnuse         sudo?
11:23 wahanui         rumour has it sudo is just so people wont rm -rfrandom stuff
11:23 magnuse         sudo?
11:23 wahanui         i think sudo is just so people wont rm -rfrandom stuff
11:24 magnuse         sudo is at http://xkcd.com/149/
11:24 kf              sudo is also http://xkcd.com/149/
11:24 wahanui         okay, kf.
11:24 kf              sudo?
11:24 wahanui         sudo is just so people wont rm -rfrandom stuff or http://xkcd.com/149/
11:24 magnuse         ah, thanks
11:32 Culiforge       Man I love xkcd
11:32 * magnuse       too
11:32 Culiforge       So relevant
11:37 Culiforge       magnuse: would you recommend apt-get install --reinstall or dpkg-reconfigure?
11:38 magnuse         ooh, i dunno, sorry
11:38 magnuse         never had to do that...
11:57 Culiforge       magnuse: ok, that went smoothly but I'm still not searchable. Zebra log is filled with: 'library-koha-zebra: terminating too quickly, waiting 30 seconds'
11:58 magnuse         you called your instance "library"?
11:58 magnuse         what happens if you do this:
11:58 Culiforge       yeah this is a test installation... is there a problem with that name.. syntax wise?
11:58 magnuse         sudo koha-rebuild-zebra -f -v library
11:58 magnuse         no, no problem, just wondering so i could use it in the command :-)
11:59 magnuse         -f = full reindex, -v = verbose
11:59 Culiforge       right.. I should have known to do that after reinstall.. still learning
12:00 magnuse         most of us are :-)
12:01 Culiforge       yeah, but from what i've seen on #koha, most of you are learning to fix issues with the program, I'm learning to fix things with my own install. :)
12:02 magnuse         we all started there, trust me ;-) and we occasionally go back there too...
12:05 Culiforge       ok, rebuild done zebra-output.log : [fatal] lock file /var/lock/koha/library/biblios/zebrasrv.pid [Permission denied]
12:05 Culiforge       still permission problems
12:05 magnuse         ouch
12:05 magnuse         what does "ls -l /var/lock/koha/library/biblios/zebrasrv.pid" say?
12:06 Culiforge       -rw-r--r-- 1 gary gary 5 2012-01-30 20:00 /var/lock/koha/library/biblios/zebrasrv.pid
12:07 magnuse         hm that should have been library-koha both for the user and the group
12:08 magnuse         i wonder what would happen if you did first "sudo koha-remove library" and then created it again?
12:08 Culiforge       /var/lock/koha/ is assigned to root
12:09 magnuse         same here
12:09 magnuse         and then everything below that is owned by <instancename>-koha
12:10 Culiforge       shall I remove and recreate library then?
12:10 magnuse         might be worth a try
12:11 magnuse         i'm assuming you don't mind wiping the db
12:12 Culiforge       nah, i've only got 5700 records :)
12:12 magnuse         but you've got a backup, right?
12:12 Culiforge       yes
12:12 magnuse         or the records in a marc file or something?
12:12 magnuse         cool
12:12 Culiforge       marc
12:13 Culiforge       do I sudo the koha-create library or no?
12:13 magnuse         yup, always sudo with the koha-* commands
12:14 Culiforge       ok, I get the usage blurb...
12:15 Culiforge       apparently I need some more information other than sudo koha-create library
12:15 magnuse         --create-db
12:16 Culiforge       sudo koha--create-db library  like so?
12:16 magnuse         sudo koha-create --create-db library
12:18 Culiforge       DRAT!!===apache2: Syntax error on line 236 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Could not open configuration file /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/library: Permission denied
12:18 Culiforge       ...fail!
12:18 Culiforge       library was created though from what I see
12:19 magnuse         wow, that's weird
12:19 Culiforge       normally I like wierd...
12:20 magnuse         you might want to check the permissions for /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/library then
12:20 magnuse         on my server all the files in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ are owned by root
12:21 Culiforge       owned by root group library-koha
12:21 magnuse         hm, that's what i have in /etc/apache2/sites-available/
12:21 magnuse         try:
12:21 Culiforge       maybe a problem with apache config
12:21 Culiforge       ?
12:22 magnuse         sudo chown root:root /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/library
12:22 magnuse         from the error message it looks like the permissions for /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/library is the problem
12:23 Culiforge       same error on apache reload
12:23 magnuse         did you try "sudo chown root:root /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/library"?
12:24 Culiforge       yes, library is now root root
12:24 Culiforge       could the enabled site be old and I need to reenable from the available sites?
12:25 magnuse         sounds unlikely, but might be worth a try
12:26 magnuse         "ls -l /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/library" should tell you what library is linked to
12:26 magnuse         is it linked to /etc/apache2/sites-available/library
12:26 magnuse         ?
12:27 magnuse         and if so, what is that file linked to?
12:27 Culiforge       lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 26 2012-01-31 07:16 /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/library -> ../sites-available/library
12:27 magnuse         good
12:27 magnuse         and the same for /etc/apache2/sites-available/library ?
12:28 Culiforge       sorry, you lost me there
12:28 magnuse         moahaha ;-)
12:28 magnuse         what does "ls -l /etc/apache2/sites-available/library"
12:28 magnuse         ...tell you?
12:29 Culiforge       ls -l /etc/apache2/sites-available/library
12:29 Culiforge       -rw-r----- 1 root root 989 2012-01-31 07:16 /etc/apache2/sites-available/library
12:30 magnuse         hm, for me they look like this:
12:30 magnuse         -rw-r----- 1 root esme-koha        974 Aug  9 15:34 esme
12:31 Culiforge       and esme-koha is your library correct?
12:31 magnuse         try "sudo chown root:library-koha /etc/apache2/sites-available/library"
12:31 magnuse         yup
12:31 magnuse         esme = library for you
12:31 magnuse         then try to reload apache and see if you still get the same error
12:32 magnuse         i don't think that last chown should affect anything, but...
12:32 Culiforge       yup error still
12:32 magnuse         gah
12:32 magnuse         same error too?
12:32 Culiforge       yes
12:33 magnuse         i'm runing out of ideas, then...
12:33 magnuse         is wiping the machine and installing the os from scratch an option?
12:34 Culiforge       hmmm, I do have to move to fedora sometime soon... but.. ah.. no
12:34 magnuse         ok
12:34 magnuse         last thing i can think of:
12:34 magnuse         remove library again with
12:34 magnuse         sudo koha-remove library
12:35 magnuse         then create a new instance with another name
12:35 Culiforge       ok
12:35 magnuse         sudo koha-create --create-db library2
12:35 Culiforge       oooh, tricky
12:35 mtj             sudo chmod 777  /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/library
12:36 mtj             then, apache2ctl restart
12:36 Culiforge       library or library2?
12:36 mtj             either/or
12:36 magnuse         Culiforge: anything, as long as it's NOT library
12:37 magnuse         mtj: permissions are already lrwxrwxrwx?
12:37 Culiforge       confused: you sent sudo chmod 777  /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/library and said NOT library...
12:38 mtj             um, replace $LIBRARY with what ever your file is called?
12:38 mtj             ?what ever that is?
12:39 magnuse         Culiforge: i meant "sudo koha-create --create-db <anything else than 'library'>"
12:40 mtj             if apache has a permission problem with *a* file, fix the perms on than file
12:40 Culiforge       got that, created library2, so use library2 in chmod statement?
12:40 magnuse         shouldn't have to
12:40 mtj             so... "Could not open configuration file /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/library: Permission denied"
12:41 mtj             $ sudo chmod 777 /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/library
12:41 magnuse         kia ora jwagner
12:41 mtj             magnuse: sure - i know that :) , but its the quickest way to get apache working
12:42 Culiforge       no such file or directory
12:42 jwagner         Hi magnuse!
12:42 Culiforge       because we just removed library
12:42 Culiforge       right?
12:42 mtj             ... or at least, find the next problem, after that perm one
12:42 magnuse         Culiforge: you did "sudo koha-remove library"?
12:43 Culiforge       magnuse: yes
12:43 mtj             Culiforge: pass? you are doing the typing on your box, not me  :)
12:43 magnuse         yeah, /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/library should not exist then
12:43 Culiforge       magnuse: correct
12:44 magnuse         it would be interesting to see if you succeed with creating an instance with another name than "library"...
12:45 Culiforge       /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/library2 is there
12:45 magnuse         there might be some files with strange permissions hanging about that interferes with that name
12:45 Culiforge       reload apache2 with library2 present fails too
12:46 magnuse         what's the error+
12:46 magnuse         ?, not +
12:46 Culiforge       Syntax error on line 236 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Could not open configuration file /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/library2: Permission denied
12:46 magnuse         i'm out of ideas, and i gotta run, sorry
12:46 magnuse         good luck! ;-)
12:47 Culiforge       yeah, me too, thanks for the help magnuse
12:47 mtj             $ sudo chmod 777  /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/library2
12:47 mtj             $ sudo apache2ctl restart
12:48 mtj             yawwnnnnzzzZZ - i'm  heading to bed, too
12:48 Culiforge       mtj: no output, no errors
12:48 mtj             ciao all
12:48 Culiforge       thx mtj
12:49 mtj             fyi, the bad news is your library2 file is wide open, read-write for all :/
12:49 Culiforge       not really an issue at the moment.. thank you sleep well
12:49 mtj             ... so that is a security issue you need to fix, some other time soon
12:50 mtj             (but, you can fix that after you get your Koha up and running)
12:50 mtj             no probs :) , cya
13:56 magnus_afk      @later tell Culiforg: i wonder if you have the right flavour of apache - the packages require something called apache2-mpm-itk - it's just a hunch, but maybe that could explain the permissions-thing
13:56 huginn`         magnus_afk: The operation succeeded.
13:58 magnus_afk      @later tell Culiforg: try "dpkg --get-selections | grep apache" and see what you get
13:58 huginn`         magnus_afk: The operation succeeded.
14:19 kf              asaurat++
14:19 kf              for log cleaning :)
14:25 asaurat         I love that :D
14:25 kf              the karma? or the log cleaning? :)
14:25 asaurat         both ;)
14:26 kf              the acq pages still produce a lot of warns
14:26 kf              orderreceive is another candidate I think
14:26 asaurat         I created another bug like this just before
14:26 kf              I looked at some of them, but was not sure how to fix
14:26 asaurat         maybe you can help on the last I reported
14:26 kf              with authorisedby you have to be extra careful
14:26 asaurat         bug 7480
14:26 huginn`         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7480 trivial, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, ASSIGNED , authorisedbyname filled twice in neworderempty.pl
14:28 kf              because it should not break when the staff user is deleted
14:28 kf              we had problems with that on other pages
14:28 kf              needs a fall back
14:29 asaurat         but it that's used for staff members, why is there a line feeding it with borrower informations?
14:29 kf              staffs are borrowers :)
14:30 kf              authorisedby is the staff member who created the basket I think
14:30 kf              let me check
14:30 kf              yep
14:30 kf              it gets the name of the staff member
14:31 kf              hmm
14:31 asaurat         ok, but it gets 2 values
14:31 kf              yeah
14:31 kf              yould it be one is realted to suggestions
14:31 kf              and one to the basket?
14:33 asaurat         There can be only one!
14:33 asaurat         :D
14:33 kf              lol
14:33 kf              not sure highlander will help us here :P
14:34 asaurat         I'm sure he would cut one of them without thinking twice about it
14:34 kf              probably
14:34 kf              but I wonder how this was supposed to work
14:34 asaurat         well, I can't choose myself, I don't know this part well enough
14:34 asaurat         so, I hope a few people will take a look 0:-)
14:35 kf              authorisedbyname     => $basket->{'authorisedbyname'}, comes from getBasket
14:35 magnus_afk      hiya talljoy
14:36 kf              http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=C4/Acquisition.pm
14:36 kf              asaurat: I think both is the same
14:36 kf              getBasket buildds authorisedbyname using  concat( b.firstname,' ',b.surname) AS authorisedbyname,
14:36 kf              from borrowers
14:37 kf              and it still should fall back to something if it can't resolve the name,not sure what would happen then
14:37 kf              if the borrower number is no longer in borrowers
14:37 asaurat         ok thx I'll add a note to remember that
14:38 kf              so I think you can delete that line: authorisedbyname => $borrower->{'firstname'} . " " . $borrower->{'surname'}, becauseshould be the same
14:38 talljoy         hi magnus_afk
14:38 kf              but testing required :)
14:38 talljoy         good morning koha!
14:38 kf              good morning talljoy!
14:55 wwwalker        did you have much luck installing koha on debian squeeze?
14:57 magnuse         wwwalker: that's probably the easiest distro to install it on
14:57 magnuse         especially if you use the packages: sudo apt-get install koha-common
14:58 magnuse         (after changing a couple of things)
15:03 wwwalker        ok
15:05 magnuse         packages?
15:05 wahanui         package info is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.4_on_Debian_Squeeze
15:05 magnuse         ^^ has the info on how to install with debian packages
15:05 wwwalker        I used an earlier version of Debian first and many packages broke
15:06 wwwalker        then got debian squeeze and it installed - some DHCP etc needed fixing to download the libraries to debian
15:06 magnuse         yeah, you need squeeze, all tha packages should work there
15:06 wwwalker        used windows PC with 3G to get link so had to setup DHCP on Windows to feed to Linux machine using ethernet - all a bit tricky
15:09 wwwalker        I couldn't get Koha admin password to work so couldn't configure koha
15:09 wwwalker        some obscure file for koha admin password - XML?
15:09 Guest990        the koha admin password is kept in koha-conf.xml
15:09 Guest990        it's usually in /etc/koha
15:09 Guest990        but can be in ~/koha-dev/etc
15:09 wwwalker        ok
15:10 wizzyrea        also, the koha admin password is the same as the password you used when you set up the koha database
15:10 wizzyrea        so if you have the mysql user/password
15:10 wizzyrea        that is the koha admin user/password
15:10 skushner        Hi all...what would the command be to convert a .tmpl file to .tt with Template.pm...or is that even possible?
15:10 wizzyrea        skushner: that is possible, I think it's on the wiki sec
15:11 wizzyrea        v
15:11 wizzyrea        CS25-NWTRPNMKPFZP
15:11 wwwalker        good
15:11 wizzyrea        ha, no idea what that is
15:11 wizzyrea        but it's not the url
15:11 wizzyrea        catalog.nexpresslibrary.org
15:11 wahanui         catalog.nexpresslibrary.org is all css too
15:11 wizzyrea        http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Template_toolkit_translation_tools
15:11 wizzyrea        there
15:11 * magnuse       is impressed if that is the password for something ;-)
15:11 wizzyrea        that's what I meant
15:11 wizzyrea        no, I'm pretty sure it's not... however, what it *is*, i'm not sure about ...
15:12 wizzyrea        leftover from last week I guess
15:12 magnuse         hehe
15:12 wizzyrea        also this atalog.nexpresslibrary.org
15:12 wizzyrea        wtf lol
15:12 kf              asaurat: still around?
15:12 wizzyrea        http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Template_toolkit_test
15:13 magnuse         yeah, nexpress has *the* coolest atalog
15:13 asaurat         still around, but I wasn't reading
15:13 wizzyrea        dunno about the coolest, but it's pretty :)
15:13 kf              asaurat: for bug 7481: use the filter on the left side to limit on one vendor and click check all / uncheck all on the top - I built it - I know it's there
15:13 huginn`         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7481 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, ASSIGNED , Select all/Deselect all on the late orders list (Claim order button)
15:14 kf              I think if you want one for more vendors at once, it will get a bit more difficult to generate the mails perhaps - but would still be nice
15:14 wizzyrea        oh, kf re 7327
15:14 wizzyrea        bug 7327
15:14 huginn`         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7327 normal, P5 - low, ---, aleksa, Needs Signoff , Translation script doesn't like concatenated javascript strings
15:15 kf              I was looking at this this morning
15:15 wizzyrea        Ii was looking at that yesterday - what do I need to do to test it?
15:15 kf              heh :)
15:15 kf              basically, apply patch
15:15 kf              then
15:15 asaurat         kf: ok I see it, thx! I'll see how it's done, but indeed it would be probably useful to have this for the full list
15:15 kf              asaurat: at the moment the full list prevents you from selecting orders from different vnedors
15:15 kf              using quite nice javascript
15:16 kf              so perhaps not so easy to do
15:16 asaurat         oh :/
15:16 kf              the uncheck/check all was a follow I did to the original feature - not sure the library has it?
15:16 kf              depends on version perhaps
15:16 kf              it's on master now
15:17 kf              wizzyrea: go to misc/translator - run perl translate update <your language of choice> check po file contains example and nothing looks weird - run perl translate install <your langauge of choice> test test test :)
15:17 asaurat         kf: ok, well, I was reporting a customer need, but maybe the patch you made would be enough, I'll ask
15:17 wizzyrea        ok - I think I did that yesterday
15:18 wizzyrea        i wonder if the alert I was looking at didn't have a translation.
15:18 wizzyrea        cataloging -> edit -> delete all
15:18 wizzyrea        which I think was your example
15:18 kf              if you haven't translate it in the po file
15:18 kf              it will still be
15:18 wizzyrea        OH ah okies
15:18 kf              :)
15:18 wizzyrea        i need software for that eh
15:19 kf              poedit
15:19 kf              or
15:19 kf              open the file in text editor
15:19 kf              and search for the string
15:19 wizzyrea        poedit - that's the one I was looking for
15:19 wizzyrea        s/looking for/thinking of
15:27 paul_p          wizzyrea & kf my sandbox system is ready ! if one of can take a few minuts to give it a try...
15:27 wizzyrea        oh me, me, pick me
15:28 * wizzyrea      waves her hand in the air
15:28 paul_p          wizzyrea you win..
15:28 kf              lol
15:28 kf              I have no time - perhaps tonight or later this week
15:28 paul_p          Just one link : http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Sandboxes Hopefully, it's enough.
15:28 paul_p          wizzyrea just one information for your tests : only test1 and test5 are ready
15:29 wizzyrea        k
15:29 paul_p          (if it's OK, i'll deploy on other tests, I need about 15mn on each server)
15:29 * wizzyrea      claims number 1
15:30 paul_p          wizzyrea feel free to update the wiki page if there's some incorrect english or some information missing
15:30 paul_p          wizzyrea you should read the wiki page before claiming #1 ;-)
15:30 wizzyrea        you got it :)
15:30 skushner        Actually found it here..   http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2011-April/035416.html
15:30 skushner        but thanks Liz
15:30 wizzyrea        good
15:31 paul_p          yikes, found a small mistake with the wiki page. Updated info about what is in test5. wizzyrea pls F5 the page
15:31 wizzyrea        is np :)
15:31 wizzyrea        oh, I should claim #5 lol :)
15:31 * wizzyrea      claims number 5
15:32 wizzyrea        where is the form? I don't see the URL
15:32 wizzyrea        1,0my.koha.server/cgi-bin/koha/sandbox.pl is the only one I see
15:32 talljoy         hi koha.  I'm trying to find the LostItem module that the longoverdue.pl script references.  Script fails to finish and claims LostItem (line 157) is an undefined subroutine.
15:33 paul_p          wizzyrea look at the end of the page
15:33 paul_p          Existing sandboxes
15:33 wizzyrea        oh I see. :)
15:34 wizzyrea        I didn't quite understand - frenchism suspected. :)
15:34 wizzyrea        or it could be the cold I've got.
15:35 wizzyrea        more likely that, actually.
15:35 wizzyrea        I like what you did with the news
15:36 wizzyrea        this illustrates very nicely why commit messages should have test plans in them.
15:36 kf              or general information about what it does :)
15:36 wizzyrea        yea
15:44 wizzyrea        interesting - it looks like we put the name of the patron in the title of OPAC user pages?
15:44 wizzyrea        and that gets passed to any, say, statistics keeping
15:44 wizzyrea        software
15:44 wahanui         rumour has it software is wrong, not the people >.>
15:44 wizzyrea        so
15:44 wizzyrea        we have personally identifiable information being passed around?
15:44 wizzyrea        surely that runs afoul of somebody's privacy laws.
15:45 wizzyrea        "library home for <name>"
15:48 magnuse         good point, wizzyrea
15:49 magnuse         that's why i thought maybe we should have piwik-integration that only includes the tracking on public pages...
15:50 wizzyrea        well it wouldn't be a problem if we left off the name
15:50 wizzyrea        i'm looking at chrome - I don't even *see* the title anywhere
15:50 wizzyrea        so it's kind of pointless to have it on there.
15:50 wizzyrea        or at least, in that form
15:52 magnuse         +1
15:53 wizzyrea        seeing *where* they are going is not the same as knowing both who *and* where they are going
15:56 magnuse         true
16:02 gaetan_B        bye
16:13 collsk12        Could someone help me diagnose this error message? "Upload failed -- unable to store file on server" I'm trying to stage some MARC records.
16:14 wizzyrea        sounds like possibly the file is exceeding some limit?
16:14 wizzyrea        are the apache logs of any help/
16:14 wizzyrea        ?
16:16 collsk12        wizzyrea: Nah...apache logs are pretty clear
16:16 wizzyrea        how about the koha logs?
16:18 collsk12        wizzyrea: Clean
16:18 wizzyrea        hm, permissions?
16:18 wahanui         permissions are already lrwxrwxrwx?
16:18 wizzyrea        forget permissions, wahanui
16:18 wahanui         wizzyrea: I forgot permissions
16:18 jcamins_away    collsk12: how large a file?
16:19 collsk12        jcamins_away: 21.8 MB
16:19 jcamins_away    That's pretty big.
16:19 jcamins_away    That's probably the problem.
16:19 jcamins_away    Can you upload a small one?
16:19 wizzyrea        yea my thought was that it was bumping up against some apache limit
16:20 collsk12        I'll give it a shot! Thanks.
16:21 collsk12        I just tried a 1.22 MB upload and no joy
16:21 collsk12        which permissions should I be looking at?
16:22 wizzyrea        hm, actually now that I'm thinking about it.
16:22 jcamins_away    The permissions on /tmp
16:22 wizzyrea        what version of koha ar you using?
16:23 wizzyrea        and did you change something that made it stop working?
16:23 collsk12        wizzyrea: not that I know of
16:24 collsk12        the /tmp folder permissions are drwxrwxrwt
16:24 wizzyrea        no updates, no server upgrades
16:25 nengard         I'm looking for a bug report that I thought existed - when doing a search for a title with a number in it you get no results
16:26 collsk12        Not that I know of. Koha version is at 3.06.01.000 and it's an up-to-date Debian box.
16:29 collsk12        Could it help to clean out some older imports?
16:29 wizzyrea        oh
16:29 wizzyrea        what does the disk space look like
16:30 wizzyrea        i.e. are you out of it on the partition where /tmp lives?
16:30 collsk12        13% used. It's all on one partition. /tmp is getting kinda big.
16:30 wizzyrea        maybe you (as I have done more than once) forgot to set up logrotate
16:31 collsk12        Do you know if I need to set that up manually with the koha-common package?
16:31 wizzyrea        I don't think so
16:34 magnuse         shouldn't be necessary
16:41 huginn`         New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_5327' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d508f0244bd288066d62dcaa40244702b2581514> / Bug 5327 added tests for C4/Languages.pm <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a0c1414f6d7e431dd0c6bc55f0dd11b55951df81> / Bug 5327 Added unit tests for C4/SIP/ILS/Transaction/Renew.pm <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=co
16:46 jenkins_koha    Starting build #606 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
17:40 jenkins_koha    Project Koha_master build #606: UNSTABLE in 54 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/606/
17:40 jenkins_koha    * sam-sanders: bug 5327 added unit test for C4/Csv.pm
17:40 jenkins_koha    * sam-sanders: Bug 5327 added tests for C4/Labels.pm
17:40 jenkins_koha    * reason.koan: Bug 5327 added unit tests for C4/AuthoritiesMarc/MARC21.pm
17:40 jenkins_koha    * jorgia_m_kelsey: Bug 5327 added unit tests for C4/Barcodes_PrinterConfig.pm
17:40 huginn`         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5327 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, sam-sanders, Signed Off , Unit tests required for all C4 modules
17:40 jenkins_koha    * sam-sanders: Bug 5327 added unit tests for C4/ClassSortRoutine/LCC
17:40 jenkins_koha    * reason.koan: Bug 5327 added unit tests for C4/Creators/PDF.pm
17:40 jenkins_koha    * sam-sanders: bug 5327 added unit tests for C4/Ris.pm
17:40 jenkins_koha    * kate.h: Bug 5327 added unit tests for C4/Scheduler.pm
17:40 jenkins_koha    * sam-sanders: added unit tests for C4/Serials.pm
17:40 jenkins_koha    * kate.h: Bug 5327 added unit tests for C4/Search_PazPar2.pm
17:40 jenkins_koha    * bart.tj: Bug 5327 added unit tests for C4/TmplToken.pm
17:40 jenkins_koha    * connor.dewar: Bug 5327 Added unit tests for C4/SIP/ILS/Transaction/Renew.pm
17:40 jenkins_koha    * sam-sanders: Bug 5327 added tests for C4/Languages.pm
17:51 jcamins         Hi cait.
17:51 cait            hi jcamins :)
17:54 * jcamins       decides to go get some lunch.
17:55 rangi           @later tell paul_p looks like the db on jenkins is a bit mixed up ill fix
17:55 huginn`         rangi: The operation succeeded.
17:57 rangi           unit_tests++
17:57 cait            :)
17:57 rangi           academy_students++
17:58 rangi           http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=summary
17:58 cait            academy_students++
17:59 rangi           ok gotta go get ready for hrmmmbreakfast
18:00 rangi           https://twitter.com/#!/search/%23hrmmbreakfast
18:02 slef            Stop ACTA London Protest http://www.facebook.com/events/170835693019760/
18:03 slef            Never mind SOPA - shall we do something against ACTA?
18:21 rangi           Yeah acta + tppa spread sopa type stupidity around the world
18:22 rangi           Hm full bus today
18:31 fred_pierre     Stow-Munroe Falls Public Library implemented web pages for mobile phone. Koha perl scripts and templates are duplicated in a mobile garden. jQuery mobile powers button-based menus and lists.
18:32 jcamins         Hrmm.
18:32 * jcamins       likes the name "hrmm"
18:33 jcamins         I don't know what it is, but I wish we had one in New York, so I could say "I'm on my way to hrmm" and confuse people.
18:34 jcamins         fred_pierre: you should share that with the community.
18:34 fred_pierre     We use Drupal for our home page, and we perform a detection. If a mobile device is detected, we direct to a mobile main menu in Koha, which allows to Koha login, user account, search catalog, and item detail.
18:35 fred_pierre     I would like to share it with the community. Unfortunately, I'm not so great with git. I'm still at Koha 3.5.
18:35 jcamins         fred_pierre: at the very least, get the code available somewhere publicly.
18:36 jcamins         If someone is working on something similar, maybe they can use some of your code, and help with the porting effort.
18:36 fred_pierre     I like it. Should I post it to DropBox or something?
18:36 * jcamins       understands there are about five competing "Koha mobile" interfaces, none open sourced.
18:36 jcamins         Do you have all your changes in git?
18:37 jcamins         If you have all your changes in git (even if you're not sure you have it set up correctly), I'd recommend using gitorious, github, or the other one.
18:37 fred_pierre     That's my problem, I'm not sure if I do. I have my git kohaclone directory with all my active files, then I have made modifications.
18:38 jcamins         fred_pierre: are the changes in kohaclone?
18:38 francharb`      see ya
18:38 slef            can people access the mobile menu manually? Detection always sucks.
18:38 slef            And escape from the mobile menu back to the full site.
18:38 fred_pierre     The method was to duplicate critical Koha perl scripts and templates, then to edit them down and add jQuery buttons.
18:38 jcamins         Ah, yikes!
18:39 fred_pierre     I still need to add a button on the home page, in case detection fails. So far we have been detecting most devices, except ipad 1's.
18:39 jcamins         It might be worth sticking it up on a non-password-protected folder in dropbox, and e-mailing the list about it.
18:39 fred_pierre     Good ideas slef!
18:39 fred_pierre     OK jcamins. I will try that.
18:40 jcamins         And include in your e-mail a list of features.
18:40 fred_pierre     Our website is at smfpl.org (Stow-Munroe Falls Public Library)
18:41 jcamins         That way people will know if there's something they'd like to work on getting into Koha proper.
18:41 fred_pierre     I will compile the features list and include it.
18:42 rangi           Cool
18:45 wizzyrea        oh hi, a new, awesome person :)
18:45 rangi           Bbiab
18:46 wizzyrea        i tried it on my phone over lunch - it's very nice looking
18:46 wizzyrea        the mobile interface
18:47 wizzyrea        and if it escaped into the wild it would be the 1st to be open sourced.
18:47 wizzyrea        (it bears repeating, imo)
18:50 * jcamins       agrees.
18:52 fred_pierre     Thanks!
18:55 fred_pierre     I posted the files to ADrive, under the username fred.pierre@smfpl.org - password K0hamobile - not sure how many people can log on at same time, all of the files are only 1.2Mb.
18:55 fred_pierre     Mobile-Backup.zip
18:56 wizzyrea        oo cool
18:56 fred_pierre     I am realizing that I used custom logos, colors and footers, if others use it I will have to find a way to set those through the preferences.
18:56 wizzyrea        :)
18:57 * wizzyrea      gets a bit sentimental about the name "A: Drive"
18:57 wizzyrea        oh those halcyon days of corrupted floppy disks
18:58 jcamins         wizzyrea: I've seen drive A:s recently.
18:58 fred_pierre     My favorite thing about the mobile Koha is that you can search the catalog, find an item and place it on hold - while you are driving to the library! :)
18:58 jcamins         Drive B:s, on the other hand.
18:58 wizzyrea        :D
18:58 jcamins         fred_pierre: provided you're not the one in the driver's seat!
18:58 wizzyrea        hehe yea ^^
18:59 wizzyrea        I think they ought to resurrect a: drive as microsd or something
18:59 fred_pierre     Yes, and that's www.adrive.com - I can't find my floppy drive! ;^)
18:59 wizzyrea        hehe
18:59 wizzyrea        it's mad about max sessions, I'll try later :)
18:59 wizzyrea        fred_pierre: do you have a github account?
18:59 wizzyrea        or gitorious
19:00 wizzyrea        i found it was not too hard to set up
19:00 jcamins         Or that other one.
19:00 jcamins         That wasn't too hard to set up either.
19:00 * jcamins       has all three.
19:00 wizzyrea        i don't even know what the other one is lol
19:00 * jcamins       either, apparently.
19:00 wizzyrea        keke
19:01 jcamins         Bitbucket.
19:01 fred_pierre     neither a github nor a gitorious account - are those easy to set up (free?)
19:01 cait            yes
19:01 cait            both are free afaik
19:01 jcamins         So's bitbucket.
19:02 wizzyrea        they are free and pretty easy - github even has super good help
19:02 wizzyrea        idk about gitorious
19:05 fred_pierre     cool - would I create a git branch on gitorius and push the mods up?
19:07 wizzyrea        yea, exactly
19:07 wizzyrea        then give us the address to your repo
19:07 wizzyrea        and we can pull it down and look at it
19:07 wizzyrea        ezpz
19:08 fred_pierre     I like that idea. I've got to go and talk to a library patron. I will check out gitorius and get back to you later this aft.
19:08 wizzyrea        cool, lookin forward to it, good luck with the patron :)
19:08 fred_pierre     Thanks for your ideas all!
19:09 wizzyrea        anytime :)
19:12 librarygeekadam Good Day. I am back to pester you all and your infinite knowledge of koha. I have uploaded my Marc records and went through the process of importing and the clean. When I search the OPAC, the records say the items are not available. How do I fix this?
19:16 wizzyrea        faq?
19:17 wizzyrea        oh bother.
19:17 wizzyrea        um...
19:17 wizzyrea        searching faq?
19:17 wizzyrea        bah.
19:17 wizzyrea        see #3
19:17 wizzyrea        http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/
19:17 librarygeekadam thank you
19:17 wizzyrea        searching faq is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/
19:17 wizzyrea        now that will work :)
19:18 wizzyrea        searching faq?
19:18 wizzyrea        !
19:18 * wizzyrea      mutters
19:18 jcamins         wizzyrea: wahanui's missing.
19:18 wizzyrea        indeed.
19:19 wizzyrea        @later tell eythian can you bring back our beloved wahanui?
19:19 huginn`         wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
19:28 cait            oh again
19:28 cait            he already restarted him yesterday
20:12 rangi           back
20:14 cait            wb rangi
20:17 rangi           thanks :)
20:17 wizzyrea        hi thar
21:20 rangi           coffee time
21:25 francharb       bed time!
21:25 francharb       ;)
21:25 francharb       so, hey and bye
21:25 francharb       ;)
21:25 rangi           cya francharb
21:26 francharb       have a good day rangi ;)
21:47 fred_pierre     Hi all! I tried to post my Koha mobile files to gitorious, but I ended up with the original development build that I installed on the server.
21:47 fred_pierre     When I look at my local branch it says it is kohasmfpl, the original, but I see it as the kohaclone directory with my updated files.
21:48 fred_pierre     My git cola shows some updates, but it does not show any of my mobile updates. I am reading Pro Git, but I just don't get it.
21:49 fred_pierre     Do I need to commit my local changes to my branch before pushing to gitorious?
21:49 wizzyrea        yep
21:49 wizzyrea        I know it's for github
21:49 wizzyrea        but this may help
21:49 wizzyrea        http://help.github.com/create-a-repo/
21:58 space_librarian hello #koha, I have returned! :)
21:58 rangi           yay!
21:59 * wizzyrea      pounces on space_librarian with big hugs
21:59 mbalmer         welcome back, then ;)
21:59 space_librarian Yay wizzyrea! Missed you!
21:59 wizzyrea        :D
21:59 mbalmer         cait around?
21:59 space_librarian Now to sort something a little better than mibbit....
22:00 kathryn         hi space librarian! good to see you this morning!
22:00 wizzyrea        i hope cait is in bed.
22:00 cait            she is not, but soon
22:00 space_librarian was great to see you too kathryn  - sorry I had to run so quickly
22:00 cait            hi space_librarian :)
22:00 mbalmer         heh
22:00 space_librarian hey cait !
22:01 cait            hi mbalmer - you were looking for me?
22:01 mbalmer         just to let you know that things are going comfortable well in .ch.
22:02 mbalmer         me not being here so often does not mean anything, we are actually working quite hard.
22:02 cait            so you have your test installation running?
22:03 mbalmer         yes.  with all the problems we had.
22:03 mbalmer         and we had first talks with possible customers.
22:03 mbalmer         we will be fully operational during feb.
22:03 kathryn         and hi rest of #koha! : D
22:03 wizzyrea        hey kathryn :)
22:04 kathryn         hiyee wizzyrea!
22:04 cait            hi kathryn
22:04 * kathryn       waves at cait
22:04 cait            mbalmer: ah cool
22:05 cait            so there will be some news soon?
22:15 space_librarian bbiab...
22:16 mbalmer         will anyone here be at fosdem next weekend?
22:16 rangi           not me, too far away
22:18 cait            probably closer to me - but won't be there
22:19 eythian         hi
22:20 eythian         hello wahanui
22:21 cait            hi eythian - thx for bringing back our beloved bot
22:22 eythian         any time
22:24 Space_librarian *sigh. no dice.
22:25 rangi           firewall?
22:27 * eythian       is finally back in Koha-land
22:27 eythian         time to do some packaging perhaps
22:27 * wizzyrea      welcomes eythian warmly
22:28 eythian         maybe a meeting first
22:29 cait            wb :)
22:30 Space_librarian rangi: not sure. The platform I downloaded just refused to connect to oftc
22:30 Space_librarian welcome back eythian
22:46 cait            night #koha
22:46 cait            :)
22:46 SpaceLibrarian  night cait !
23:25 * eythian       builds packages
23:25 rangi           yay!
23:37 eythian         package building of master fails :( t/Reports.t requires a database connection
23:37 rangi           yup
23:38 rangi           grab the last patch from 5327
23:38 rangi           http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=7400
23:38 rangi           you could even sign off on that if you wanted ;)
23:39 eythian         OK will take a look
23:39 rangi           (its just a git mv :))