Time Nick Message 02:31 libsysguy o/ 02:31 libsysguy wow there are lots of mods enabled tonight 03:40 AmitG heya bag 05:33 cait good morning #koha 05:34 Judit1 good morning 05:34 chrisdothall cait: afternoon :) 05:34 cait hi chrisdothall 05:34 cait :) 05:35 cait are your only changes to the duplicate budget patch indentation changes? 05:35 chrisdothall correct :) 05:35 chrisdothall unless I made a misstake.... 05:54 cait I will check :) 05:56 chrisdothall thanks. 06:05 kmkale Namaste cait :) 06:12 AmitG heya cait, kmkale 06:12 kmkale namaste AmitG 06:19 cait hi kmkale and AmitG 07:14 * magnuse hands cait__ the velcro 07:41 alex_a morning magnuse 07:51 magnuse bonjour alex_a 07:51 kf hi #koha 07:52 magnuse guten morgen kf 07:52 kf hi magnuse 07:56 alex_a hi kf 07:57 kf hi alex_a 08:00 reiveune hello 08:01 magnuse bonjour reiveune 08:03 reiveune hi magnuse , everybody :) 08:08 francharb hi 08:10 asaurat hi! 08:12 * magnuse needs a reboot 08:19 kf hi francharb and asaurat 08:27 rangi hi kf hdl asaurat reiveune magnus_away alex_a and francharb 08:27 kf hi rangi :) 08:28 reiveune hi rangi :) 08:32 alex_a hello rangi 08:42 julian_m hello 08:42 wahanui hi, julian_m 08:43 kf hi julian_m 08:43 julian_m hi kf 09:13 magnuse "L'universit� Rennes 2 passe � son tour sous logiciel libre pour g�rer sa BU (via @jsicot) #Koha" => "The University Rennes 2 passes in turn under free software to manage its BU (via @ jsicot) # Koha" 09:13 magnuse still not quite shure what that means... 09:15 kf me neither 09:17 magnuse i *hope* it means another university chose koha, but... 09:18 kf perhaps one of our french friends could translate? ;) 09:18 paul_p_ it means we have a new customer, yes :D 09:18 paul_p_ good morning kf & magnuse 09:18 kf morning paul_p :) 09:18 magnuse woohoo! 09:18 magnuse good morning paul_p_ 09:18 kf paul_p_: will have to leave earlier on friday :( some problem with booking the train connection 09:19 paul_p there are 2 universities in Rennes. One has a proprietary ILS, Rennes 2 has hesitated between Koha and the same ILS as Rennes 1. At the end, they choose Koha & BibLibre 09:20 magnuse yay!!! 09:20 kf congratulations .) 09:20 paul_p (and they choose the community version of Koha, not the Solr-not-yet-in-community-version-but-that-StEtienne-has. Which is a very good news !) 09:22 magnuse hm, i would have thought you wanted more libraries to use the solr thing? :-) 09:22 paul_p we now have Lyon 3 that will go live with 3.6 tomorrow. Rennes 2, Paris sud that will use 3.6/3.8. AixMarseille will also decide to switch to 3.6 (from 3.2). 09:22 magnuse and yes, big congratulations to the biblibre team! 09:22 paul_p magnuse nope, we want to support just 1 version, the community one ! 09:22 magnuse yay! :-) 09:23 paul_p so we want solr in the community version, not our customers using a forked version ! 09:23 magnuse one more yay for that! :-) 09:25 kf :) 09:25 kf yay :) 09:27 kf paul_p: we still need more people testing and signing off :( 09:27 paul_p kf agreed ! 09:27 paul_p why do you say that 09:27 paul_p ? 09:27 kf paul_p: I did the databales yesterday, and some of the acq things on the weekend 09:27 kf but moving very slowly 09:27 paul_p (something specific) 09:28 paul_p yes, and THANK YOU for your work ! 09:28 paul_p @kf++ 09:28 huginn paul_p: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready 09:28 kf it's not about that 09:29 kf about karma - although karma is nice ;) 09:29 kf but we will not manage to get all the nice features and solr into community without more testers 09:29 paul_p kf I was asking "do you say we need more ppl testing & signing-off for a specific reason ?" (and i've the answer) 09:29 kf you have? 09:30 * kf is confused now 09:30 paul_p kf don't be. I understand you say that generally, not for a specific reason. 09:30 paul_p I do a *lot* of QA, the "to QA" pile is not less than 30. OTOH, that's the largest patches... 09:30 paul_p s/not/now/ 09:31 kf I don't worry about the qa queue so much, more about the needs sign-off 09:36 kf lots of nice things waiting there :) 09:37 paul_p something that would be cool would be to have something to quickly differentiate trivial patches, that are easy to signoff, and other patches. 09:37 kf trivial patches can break things too - not sure it's possible 09:37 paul_p because from the 85 waiting for a signoff, maybe there are 60 that are easy to signoff ! (or 10. The problem is that we don't know) 09:39 kf hm I disagree 09:39 kf most of them at the moment are hard sign-offs 09:39 kf the easy sign-offs leave the queue quickly 09:39 paul_p kf are you sure ? (my problem is that I have no idea !) 09:39 kf quite sure yes 09:39 paul_p :( 09:40 magnuse i think kf is right, yes 09:40 rangi theres a lot of @catalyst ones too, that i obviously can't sign off 09:40 kf and those are big features too - to make it worse 09:40 kf I already spend some hours on testing allowonshelfholds in circ matrix 09:40 kf but will need more time on that 09:41 kf and there is a couple of similar features waiting 09:41 kf like bug 4530 09:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4530 major, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, srdjan, Needs Signoff , Circulation & fines rules aren't always applied from most specific to less specific 09:41 kf some are UNIMARC 09:41 kf which I can't test 09:41 kf but I think are important to UNIMARC users 09:42 kf and some are SIP 09:49 paul_p rangi you could signoff, as the QA & my eyes are not from catalyst, so it's OK. 09:49 paul_p There are a lot of cases where BibLibre does submit+signoff ! 09:50 rangi hmmm 09:50 paul_p and, if the feature is a core one, I guarantee I double test it in everycase, and don't hesitate to ask for another signoff ! 09:50 kf hm yes, but it's not what we want to do 09:50 kf really 09:50 rangi have the rules changed? 09:50 kf because it's too close 09:50 paul_p so don't hesitate ! 09:50 kf and we have stated differently on the wiki 09:50 kf it should be the exception or can be good practice within a company 09:50 kf but not be the rule 09:53 paul_p kf I hope to have something that can be tested for my sandbox system soon. would you agree to be my 1st tester ? 09:53 kf I am not sure the sandbox system will work for me 09:53 kf but I can try it out 09:53 paul_p (it works locally, I need to install it) 09:53 kf I am faster testing on my own system I think 09:54 kf the problem I see with external testers is 09:54 kf documenting what you tested 09:54 paul_p kf I don't think you'll use it everyday, i'm just looking for someone experienced that can detect any problem. 09:55 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Bug-enhancement-patch_Workflow#Rules <-- do we need to change that? 09:56 rangi Preferably, patch writer and patch signer should not be from the same company or institution. 09:56 kf I think it would be cool to have biblibre devs sign-off on catalyst developments, I sign-off on biblire, etc. 09:59 magnuse yeah, it sounds like we are talking about changing the "rules" so everyone can do internal signoffs - much better if we sign off for each other 10:00 magnuse if everyone signed off on one bug for each patch they submitted... 10:01 magnuse or rather: if everyone signed off on one bug for each bug they submitted patches for... 10:02 kf yes, I think that's the way things should work 10:02 kf it's not easy 10:02 kf but it would make for good qa and get things moving 10:04 AmitG heya kf 10:05 kf hi AmitG 10:10 paul_p preferably, in french, means it's preffered, but can sometimes be different. So there's no need to change the rule I think. As RM, I don't hesitate to ask for another signoff when I see a patch that has been made & signed off by bywater or by BibLibre. 10:12 paul_p good idea to ask one signoff for each bug you submit, but it can't be mandatory, otherwise we face the risk to have no more patches submitted ;-) 10:13 kf no, not mandatory 10:13 kf but perhaps something people should keep in mind 10:14 * paul_p heads to bug 1633 to QA it ... 10:14 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1633 enhancement, P3, ---, kmkale, Signed Off , Add ability to take book cover images from local img db 10:14 paul_p kf right 10:14 kf yay :) 10:14 kf that's a good one 10:15 kf and great example for lots of people getting involved 10:15 kmkale paul_p++ :) 10:15 magnuse yeah, i will do a happydance when that gets pushed, for sure! ;-) 10:15 * paul_p has decided to QA from lowest bugnumber to biggest, as dates are no more relevant for instance (due to bulkchanges) 10:15 kmkale too 10:15 kf I think we have india, usa and norwayon this bug 10:15 paul_p hello kmkale !!! 10:15 kmkale Namaste paul_p :) 10:15 paul_p norwayon ? which country is it ? :D :D 10:16 kf ;) 10:16 magnuse hehe 10:16 magnuse and now france 10:18 kf yep :) 10:26 magnuse wow, the news about Rennes 2 is getting a lot of retweets! 10:27 * magnuse finally got around to making graphs work in mantis - niiiice... 10:47 magnuse bbl 11:00 paul_p you know what ? 1633 passed QA, i'll push it now !!! 11:02 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 1633 localcoverimages, updatedatabase & kohaversion for pushing <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=43a46c507e729be9dc701123ded422fb666bb40c> / Bug 1633: QA follow-up <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=587e2e920e6314dd800aea106c4e2d61ef27d39d> / Bug 1633 - Interface revisions for the staff client <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e 11:15 jenkins_koha Starting build #602 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED) 11:35 kf_lunch paul_p++ 11:35 kf_lunch cool, kind of a milestone :) 11:56 kmkale heh can't believe it finally made through :-D 11:56 kmkale @quote random 11:56 huginn kmkale: Quote #176: "rangi: buy people a glass of zomg there's actually real things to care about" juice?"" (added by jcamins at 06:02 PM, January 06, 2012) 11:59 kf kmkale: grats :) 12:03 kmkale thanks kf 12:03 kmkale actually it was made possible by jcamins_away 12:03 kf jcamins++ 12:11 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #602: UNSTABLE in 55 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/602/ 12:11 jenkins_koha * wizzyrea: Bug 6350 - Adding new developers to history.txt Jesse Maseto Connor Dewar Sam Sanders 12:11 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: history.txt removing a useless tab 12:11 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 1633: [SIGNED-OFF] Add support for uploading images to Koha 12:11 jenkins_koha * kmkale: Bug 1633: [SIGNED-OFF] Display local cover images 12:11 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 1633 - [SIGNED-OFF] Add ability to take book cover images from local img db 12:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6350 trivial, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Pushed to Master , Bug for tracking updates to the history file 12:11 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 1633: [SIGNED-OFF] Don't show image tab when inappropriate 12:11 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 1633 - Interface revisions for the staff client 12:11 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 1633: QA follow-up 12:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1633 enhancement, P3, ---, kmkale, Pushed to Master , Add ability to take book cover images from local img db 12:11 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 1633 localcoverimages, updatedatabase & kohaversion for pushing 12:28 kmkale paul_p++ 12:39 * chris_n hands paul_p velcro 12:39 paul_p chris_n ??? 12:39 wahanui release maintainer for 3.2, 3.4, and 3.6. 12:41 chris_n paul_p: I see from the buffer that you've been bouncing quite a bit this morning :-) 12:41 paul_p chris_n right 12:42 chris_n so a little velcro may help... ;-) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velcro) 12:52 kmkale paul_p: got a mail from rangi about jenkins becoming unstable 12:52 kmkale but the link he sent does not say why 12:52 paul_p kmkale it's not really rangi, it's jenkins itself. 12:52 paul_p i'll investigate asap 12:53 paul_p kmkale http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/lastUnstableBuild/#showFailuresLink 12:53 paul_p seems I missed to QA some things... 12:54 paul_p I don't know what this one means : http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/lastUnstableBuild/testReport/%28root%29/xt_permissions_t/No_user_permissions_to_add__218_/ 12:54 paul_p (i'll check) 12:55 paul_p I think this one http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/lastUnstableBuild/testReport/%28root%29/xt_tt_valid_t/TT_syntax__not_using_TT_directive_within_HTML_tag__223_/ 12:55 paul_p means there is a wrong HTML/T::T construction 12:55 rangi # Failed test 'No user permissions to add' 12:55 rangi # at xt/permissions.t line 94. 12:55 rangi # User permissions to add in de-DE/mandatory/userpermissions.sql: upload_local_cover_images 12:55 rangi and it 12:55 kmkale which file? 12:55 rangi and fr etc 12:56 paul_p kmkale the 2nd one is something like "<a href=[% IF blabla %]an url[% ELSE %]another url[% END %]> that is forbidden 12:56 paul_p kmkale i'll check & tell you later 12:56 rangi a new permission has been added to the en one, but none of the other languages 12:56 paul_p rangi OK 12:56 rangi so it will be broken for any install other than english 12:57 rangi # Failed test 'TT syntax: not using TT directive within HTML tag' 12:57 rangi # at xt/tt_valid.t line 55. 12:57 rangi # Files list: 12:57 rangi # intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/tools/upload-images.tt: 96, 100, 112 12:57 kmkale rangi: so how does one who does not know any other languages add permissions to those? 12:57 rangi kmkale: one runs the unit tests 12:57 rangi and adds them in english 12:57 rangi then at least the install isnt broken 12:58 kmkale rangi: a new permission has been added to the en one, but none of the other languages 12:58 rangi yes 12:58 kmkale do we have to add the same permission to all other languages? 12:58 rangi yes 12:58 kmkale in english? 12:59 rangi yes and email the koha-translate list 12:59 kmkale aahh 12:59 kmkale big work to put it in all the files 13:00 rangi no 13:00 rangi cut and paste, easy work 13:00 rangi and much better than breaking the install for every language except english 13:00 kmkale ok 13:00 kmkale wolco 13:00 kmkale *wilco 13:14 Barrc Good afternoon - does anyone have the Koha 3.05.00.01 source lying around? I need to move servers and this version isn't on the downloads site. 13:14 jcamins_away paul_p++ 13:15 kf Barrc: you can download the snapshot from git.koha-community.org 13:15 kf hi jcamins_away 13:15 jcamins_away Hi kf. 13:16 Barrc kf: yep, sounds good. Not sure why I didn't consider that......thanks 13:27 oleonard Koha list member complains "Email notices not sent to all patrons" and then sends gmail invite to all list members... 13:27 jcamins oleonard: yeah, I liked that too. 13:28 kf morning oleonard 13:28 oleonard Hi 13:38 * jcamins figured out why he didn't find the bug. The test is in xt and not t. 13:44 jcamins paul_p: I just attached a patch to fix the test to bug 1633. 13:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1633 enhancement, P3, ---, kmkale, Pushed to Master , Add ability to take book cover images from local img db 13:44 paul_p jcamins++ 13:44 kmkale yeh jcamins++ 13:45 kf jcamins++ 13:45 kf I think we could perhaps move the permissions 13:46 kf to a general file like we have for sysprefs now 13:46 kf and deal with translation in the templates 13:46 kf it should be quite easy to do that with TT now 13:46 kf TT++ 13:47 jcamins Agreed. 13:49 kmkale kf++ :) 13:56 kf only an idea 13:56 kf I don't have the time to figure it out really :( 13:58 * jcamins either, but he likes the idea. 13:59 oleonard File a bug for later reference? 14:01 jcamins I can't figure out this other error. 14:02 jcamins Okay, I figured it out. 14:03 jcamins paul_p: do you want me to revise the patch I just attached, or do a second patch? 14:03 paul_p jcamins I think you should revise, not send a follow-up for the follow-up... 14:04 jcamins That was my thought. 14:04 jcamins paul_p: but if you'd already pushed it, I didn't want to mess you up. 14:05 paul_p jcamins nope, i've a meeting this afternoon 14:06 jcamins :) 14:16 kf not sure I made sense 14:16 kf but bug 7465 14:16 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7465 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, frederic, NEW , Remove language specific permission files 14:18 oleonard Does huginn` not trumpet new "needs signoff" anymore? 14:24 kf I think there is a slight delay 14:24 * oleonard wondered if the Bugzilla status changes messed up huginn`'s routine 14:24 jcamins Oh, I bet they did. 14:24 jcamins Who manages huginn? gmcharlt? 14:25 oleonard huginn`: Who is your master? 14:25 huginn` oleonard: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready 14:25 kf I think the wiki knows 14:25 kf The #koha IRC bot huginn is hosted by Galen Charlton. 14:25 kf http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Website_Administration 14:26 jcamins @later tell gmcharlt Does huginn need updating to understand the new "Needs Signoff" status? 14:26 oleonard So gmcharlt programs huginn`, but who programs gmcharlt? 14:26 huginn` jcamins: The operation succeeded. 14:26 druthb Mrs. Charlton. 14:26 kf gmcharlt is a bot? 14:27 druthb (they are the *cutest* couple!) 14:27 jcamins paul_p: revised patch attached. 14:28 paul_p ok, will check in something like 1 hour 14:30 jcamins paul_p++ 14:35 kf hi maximep 14:38 maximep good morning 14:38 maximep did 4 upgrades from 3.2 to 3.6 this night and 3 failed. Oh well :/ 14:40 jcamins maximep: ew. Why? 14:40 jcamins I mean, why did they fail. 14:40 maximep most of the time it's remove_itemsfrombiblioitems that chokes on something 14:42 kf eew 14:42 kf hopefully that doesnot happen to us 14:42 maximep and my script is ultra paranoid and goes back to 3.2 as soon as anything goes wrong 14:42 asaurat we had a problem yesterday with remove_itemsfrombiblioitems too... is there a known bug about it ? 14:42 kf we want to upgrade 5 on friday 14:47 pastebot "maximep" at 199.21.216.30 pasted "52600........................." (5 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/224 14:47 * jcamins is glad that he's on 3.6. 14:47 maximep choked there on one 14:47 maximep :/ 15:01 oleonard I want "git bz test [Bug #]" to create a new branch, check it out, and apply the patch all in one step. 15:01 oleonard ... and why not add "git bz fix [Bug #]" while I'm at it? That would simplify things. 15:03 kmkale oleonard: that *will* get you a nobel for sure ;) 15:05 jcamins oleonard: that's an excellent idea. 15:10 wizzyrea oleonard: even cooler, git bz test create a new branch, check it out, apply the patch, import a clean test database, and reindex. 15:10 oleonard And wash my car! 15:10 wizzyrea and don't forget the cup holder. 15:12 pastebot "jcamins" at 98.109.115.153 pasted "Can I do this?" (16 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/225 15:12 jcamins kf: you might know the answer to that question. 15:13 * druthb thanks oleonard for the signoff on Bug 7446. 15:13 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7446 trivial, P5 - low, ---, ruth, Signed Off , Redundant display of availablecount in staff client (results.tt) 15:13 jcamins Looks ike I can. 15:13 jcamins *like 15:15 * oleonard thanks nengard for the signoff on Bug 7461 15:15 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7461 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , cart offering to remove items when closing 15:18 kf hm? 15:18 kf sorry, was working ;) 15:20 jcamins kf: I figured it out. :) 15:21 kf ah ok 15:27 pastebot "jcamins" at 98.109.115.153 pasted "New authority linking report" (12 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/226 15:27 jcamins And it should even put the date in the right order for Europeans in Europe. :) 15:29 jcamins And it takes 15 seconds to process 1000 headings. 15:30 jcamins :D 15:34 kf wow 15:34 kf that is really fast! 15:34 pastebot "jcamins" at 98.109.115.153 pasted "Weird error- has anyone ever seen this?" (5 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/227 15:35 kf sounds like a problemwith the comment 15:35 kf or lookslike 15:35 kf 'SET TIME_ZONE=@OLD_TIME_ZONE */' < closing comment at the end 15:36 jcamins Oh, missing semicolon. 15:37 jcamins That's odd. 15:37 jcamins It's there on my development system. 15:37 * jcamins shrugs. 15:49 paul_p wizzyrea & oleonard that's exactly what will do my sandbox testing system : git bz test create a new branch, check it out, apply the patch, import a clean test database, and reindex 15:49 wizzyrea :) yay! 15:50 paul_p and you even have the choice of the test database. 15:50 wizzyrea oh you posted a link to your repo that holds that stuff? or did I misunderstand 15:50 paul_p if you want to send me one, I could add it 15:50 wizzyrea i need to build a new one 15:50 paul_p wizzyrea it's not fully ready. if you're interested i'll send you a link once it can be tested ! 15:50 wizzyrea the one I have is a bit crufty 15:50 wizzyrea yup, I'd like that 15:53 kf oleonard++ 15:58 paul_p oleonard ? 15:58 wahanui hmmm... oleonard is the master UI designer of koha or an awesome bug wrangler 15:58 * oleonard is here 15:58 paul_p oleonard what's your birthdate ? 15:58 paul_p jj/mm/yyyy 15:58 oleonard 18/01/1971 15:58 wahanui 0.0091324200913242 15:58 paul_p (needed for the booking 15:58 oleonard Thanks wahanui :P 15:58 paul_p really ? happy birthday then ! 15:58 oleonard :) 15:59 paul_p a few days late 15:59 magnus_away wizzyrea & oleonard: i have been trying to create a wrapper script for some of those tedious testing tasks: https://github.com/MagnusEnger/kohatesting not perfect but mostly works for simple patches 15:59 kf happy belated birthday oleonard :) 16:00 jcamins oleonard: you share your birthday with my mother and my grandfather! 16:01 wizzyrea magnuse++ sweet 16:05 paul_p oleonard booking done ! 16:06 paul_p kf oleonard land at Marseille airport on saturday, 17th, 5PM ! 16:06 paul_p (march, of course) 16:07 wizzyrea I am envious of lucky oleonard. :) 16:08 oleonard And I am very grateful to paul_p (and Biblibre) who are making it possible 16:09 kf paul_p: where does he stay? ;) 16:09 kf I plan to force him to have dinner withme 16:09 paul_p kf hotel not booked, but i'll go for hotel moderne of course 16:19 paul_p oleonard if it's hard to understand the "electronic ticket" mail, just ask 16:20 oleonard Thanks paul_p 16:20 * oleonard is trying to resurrect his high school French for the trip 16:20 asaurat l'omelette du fromage 16:21 kf :) 16:21 kf magnuse and me were a bit lost reading the menu at the restaurant... I hope oleonard's vocabulary includes food 16:22 wizzyrea I remember very little of my french 16:22 wizzyrea but food... food I was good at 16:22 kf heh 16:22 wizzyrea I remember french verbal exams where I talked a lot about breakfast. 16:23 kf lol 16:23 jcamins Mmm. 16:23 jcamins French food. 16:23 jcamins We just had croissants for breakfast. 16:23 asaurat I now prefer german breakfast actually :D LEBERWURST um acht Uhr !!! 16:23 kf that's not my normal breakfast... but if you like it ;) 16:24 * wizzyrea had that most newyorkish of breakfasts - the bagel with cream cheese. 16:24 kf I hear some people eat leberwurst mit marmelade - ew 16:24 wizzyrea mit marmelade?!?!! 16:24 wizzyrea that is shocking. 16:24 asaurat sounds english :D 16:25 kf chris_n: testing 3.6.3 again - no problems found so far ;) orignal script (arabic and greek) still display nicely :) 16:32 wizzyrea ok 16:32 wizzyrea hypothetical of the day 16:32 oleonard Would you rather... 16:33 wizzyrea let's say you have a bib with 50 holds 16:33 oleonard Oh, different game? 16:33 wizzyrea how would you compute the "estimated time for filling the hold for patron #25 on the list" 16:33 wizzyrea programmatically 16:33 wizzyrea take the circ period x the number of the hold? 16:34 wizzyrea so circ period = 2 weeks * 25 = 50 weeks? 16:34 oleonard ...and mix in however late the book is going to be each time 16:34 wizzyrea and remember a lot of them are returned early 16:35 wizzyrea so --- compute the average check out time for the bib 16:35 wizzyrea * the rank of the person on the list 16:35 oleonard 2 weeks * (25-1) ? 16:35 wizzyrea lol 16:35 reiveune bye 16:36 wizzyrea I'm halfway serious here - I had a request from a librarian for "estimated wait time" 16:36 wizzyrea oh I know 16:36 wizzyrea take the number of items, take the average length of circ for that many circs back 16:37 wizzyrea times the rank 16:38 wizzyrea number of items - the lost items 16:38 wizzyrea or unavailable items. 16:39 oleonard At my library we have found that predicting the time the item will be available causes more trouble than it's worth. "You said it would be back by now!" "It was due on the 12th, and today's the 12th!" 16:39 wizzyrea well the librarian was comparing it to 16:39 wizzyrea 3m cloud library 16:40 wizzyrea which is electronic content. That stuff has an extremely predictable pattern for when it will be "available" 16:40 wizzyrea a patron gets usage of it for exactly 2 weeks, then it's in 16:40 wizzyrea "in" 16:40 schuster yes - how many copies do you have of said book? 16:40 oleonard Sure, because the patron has no say in when it will be back 16:40 wizzyrea no overdues in the world of electronic loans. 16:40 schuster and you don't have to shelve it! 16:41 wizzyrea :) 16:41 wizzyrea I am sure it could be done, but I don't think you could get it anywhere near accurate 16:42 schuster too many human variables. 16:42 wizzyrea way too many 16:46 miguel hi all, Anyone is working to integrate NCIP in koha? 16:46 wizzyrea what about... the average amount of time elapsed between hold placed and hold filled (to the wait shelf)? 16:47 druthb @quote get 123 16:47 huginn` druthb: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) 16:48 wizzyrea oh I'm not saying I'm going to do it. 16:48 wizzyrea dunno, I'm for adding things to koha that patrons want - and I have evidence that patrons want to know the average time they'll wait for holds. 16:48 druthb 'bout to say. You've got some pretty insane librarians there, wizzyrea. 16:49 wizzyrea adding a new widget to punish patrons with fines or restrictions, meh I could care less about. 16:49 wizzyrea couldn't care less, rather. 16:50 druthb oleonard, I think, has a valid point, though...sure, 8 out of ten patrons think this is a swell idea, but four of them will raise hell and create much stress and suffering when it's not *exactly* accurate. 16:50 kf hm 16:50 kf someone aware of a bug with limiting to available items? 16:50 wizzyrea yes 16:51 wizzyrea your math is a bit funny there. 16:51 wizzyrea ;) 16:52 trea what does the "rank" field in a z39.50 target refer to? it just says "display order" 16:52 kf the sequence 16:52 druthb Anything that increases stress on circ dest staff is, IMO, best done cautiously, and only with proper safety equipment, and an ambulance, close at hand. 16:52 kf in which the servers are displayed in the result list 16:52 trea kf++ 16:52 kf afaik at least 16:53 wizzyrea what about simply "average wait to check out this item is X days" 16:53 wizzyrea and not a specific "how long until *I* get this book" 16:53 druthb wizzyrea++ 16:55 kf does limiting to available items work for someone? 16:55 wizzyrea I recall that it doesn't work kf 16:55 kf hm ok 16:55 wizzyrea at least, that's what I remember. 16:55 kf perhaps we should kick it out then? 16:55 wizzyrea but I would need to check it again 16:55 wizzyrea I'm sure there's a bug 16:55 kf I thought it was supposed to be repaired - but it doesnot owrk in my installation 16:56 jcamins Limiting for available items is permanently broken while we're using GRS-1. 16:56 wizzyrea well then yea 16:56 wizzyrea we should nuke it 16:56 wizzyrea or at least 16:56 wizzyrea be able to turn it off. 16:57 wizzyrea also popularity sort 16:57 wizzyrea needs to be removed 16:57 wizzyrea until such time as we figure out a way to properly populate the bib records with their popularity info 16:57 kf true 16:57 wizzyrea do you think I could use more p's 16:57 kf both 16:57 kf heh 16:58 oleonard Pending preparation of a procedure to properly populate? 16:59 schuster with a prefered program. 16:59 druthb Potent, prudent pre-planning prevents poor performance? 17:00 schuster per programmer 17:00 schuster :) 17:00 * druthb pokes the guy from Plano. 17:00 * jcamins pokes the person from Plano. 17:00 schuster Good thing my name isn't Paul. 17:00 druthb lol 17:00 druthb jcamins++ 17:00 * wizzyrea pokes the plucky person from Plano in the patella 17:01 druthb ow! 17:01 schuster hey now lets not get nasty! 17:01 schuster :) 17:01 wizzyrea ... your knee, silly. 17:01 wizzyrea at least I didn't say anything about "protuberances" 17:02 oleonard Ouch, right in the paella! 17:02 * wizzyrea likes shrimp 17:02 mbalmer mmm, shrimp.. 17:02 mbalmer I hope the food in Marseille will be good. 17:03 kf it was very good last year - I plan on it 17:03 wizzyrea because french food is always terrible. Wait, what? 17:04 * druthb wishes she was going to Marseille. 17:04 jcamins wizzyrea: I am against all things bread, cheese, and buttery. 17:04 jcamins Wait, what? 17:04 wahanui hmmm... Wait, is it only in items? 17:05 mbalmer wizzyrea, exactly ;P 17:05 wizzyrea also wine. 17:05 jcamins wizzyrea: yes, I am also against all things wine. 17:05 wahanui okay, jcamins. 17:05 jcamins Wait. 17:05 jcamins What? 17:05 jcamins :P 17:05 wizzyrea LOL 17:05 jcamins jcamins? 17:05 wahanui hmmm... jcamins is supposed to be an outstanding cook. or well-traveled and brilliant. or trying to think of a solution, but short of a set of three sysprefs (ShelfBrowserUsesLocation, ShelfBrowserUsesCcode, and ShelfBrowserUsesHomeBranch), I don't really have any ideas. or awesome fixing broken email notifications or the wizard that forges queries in the deep fires of zebra or against all things wine. 17:05 druthb LOL 17:06 druthb Thank you, wahanui. 17:06 wahanui druthb: bitte 17:06 jcamins :) 17:06 oleonard jcamins is a lot of things. 17:06 wizzyrea jcamins is also wait, whta? 17:06 wizzyrea doh! 17:06 druthb LOL 17:06 druthb wahanui: wizzyrea? 17:06 wahanui I LIKE SCIENCE! 17:06 kf :) 17:07 druthb wahanui: kf? 17:07 wahanui it has been said that kf is cait or really, really sweet. or <reply>she gives me memory loss or a holds expert. 17:07 druthb druthb? 17:07 wahanui She finally snapped, like we all knew she would. 17:07 druthb m-hm. 17:07 kf someone broke wahanui 17:07 kf he spreads rumours 17:07 * kf is not sweet and druthb has not snapped 17:08 oleonard If we keep telling wahanui crazy stuff he is going to snap 17:08 kf heh 17:08 kf probably .) 17:08 kf time for me to leave 17:08 kf bye all 17:09 wizzyrea jcamins? 17:09 wahanui jcamins is an outstanding cook. or well-traveled and brilliant. or trying to think of a solution or awesome fixing broken email notifications or the wizard that forges queries in the deep fires of zebra or against all things wine. 17:09 wizzyrea hrmph. 17:09 * druthb suspects wizzyrea of talking to wahanui behind everyone's back. 17:10 wizzyrea you should just assume that I am. 17:10 wizzyrea ;) 17:10 jcamins lol 17:10 druthb ;-) 17:10 wizzyrea we're tight, dontyaknow 17:11 wizzyrea oh bother, bye kf 17:11 wizzyrea cait will be back soon. :) 17:12 francharb @later tell kf : for the availability facet, you can use the 'intranetuserjs' to hide it : $(document).ready(function(){ $("#search-facets ul li:contains('Availability')").hide(); }); 17:12 huginn` francharb: The operation succeeded. 17:13 wizzyrea or opacuserjs, depending. 17:13 francharb sure 17:13 wizzyrea it's probably slightly different. 17:13 wizzyrea or not, i'd have to look 17:13 wizzyrea :) 17:15 wizzyrea actually, in my current 3.6.0 install 17:16 wizzyrea limit available does seem to be working 17:16 wizzyrea which is a change 17:16 wizzyrea at any rate 17:16 wizzyrea the same search unlimited returns 427 results, the limited search returns 333 17:18 francharb \0/ 17:18 francharb ;) 17:18 wizzyrea though... 17:18 wizzyrea http://screencast.com/t/ZSRJlT9P 17:18 wizzyrea that was limited to available 17:18 wizzyrea and it looks like 17:18 francharb oops 17:18 wizzyrea even things with items that are available - if *any* are unavailable it excludes them 17:19 jcamins francharb: I was just thinking about you. 17:19 francharb really? 17:19 jcamins Wouldn't you like to test authority linking? 17:19 jcamins Yes, actually. 17:19 jcamins :) 17:19 francharb like? right now? 17:19 jcamins Well, it doesn't have to be right this second. 17:19 jcamins But I have a revised patch attached to bug 7284 that should work with UNIMARC. 17:19 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7284 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Authority matching algorithm improvements 17:19 wizzyrea http://screencast.com/t/OqZ74rLWQ1G right? 17:20 wizzyrea "limit to available" excludes that result 17:20 francharb jcamins, i bookmarked it and it will be the top of my list next time i'm signing off patches! 17:20 wizzyrea so our definition of "avaliable" needs tweaking I guess. 17:22 wizzyrea I see why the billboard one looks available though 17:22 wizzyrea it's "in transit" 17:22 jcamins fredericd Yay! 17:22 jcamins francharb++ 17:22 jcamins wizzyrea: limit to available wouldn't work regardless how we defined "available." 17:23 wizzyrea explain 17:23 jcamins However, defining available would be a good idea, too. 17:23 jcamins wizzyrea: the problem is that Zebra facets work only with a single index. 17:24 jcamins We have multiple indexes informing "available." 17:24 wizzyrea fyi you can imagine me doing this when I say "explain" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlpRBLkgcBo 17:24 jcamins wizzyrea: I will. 17:24 wizzyrea oh i see :) 17:24 wizzyrea well any way to make the one index that it uses for available better? 17:25 jcamins Not really. 17:25 jcamins Once DOM indexing is in place, though, it's easy to deal with. 17:25 jcamins We just create a composite index. 17:25 wizzyrea so we should get rid of it for now anyway. 17:25 jcamins Or at least not display it. 17:25 wizzyrea even though it's kinda sorta working maybe a little bit. 17:26 jcamins Right. 17:26 wizzyrea it's just not very precise :P 17:26 jcamins I think probably leaving the code in but removing the display is the way to go. 17:26 jcamins That way when we have the availability indexing, it's easy to deal with. 17:26 jcamins Just un-hide it. 17:27 wizzyrea you think comment out the display and make it official like 17:27 wizzyrea or just depend on people to put in the js to hide it 17:27 jcamins I'd vote for commenting it out. 17:27 wizzyrea I think it's unreasonable to ask people to put in js to hide something that we expect should be working. 17:28 jcamins Agreed. 17:36 patric another marc conversion question, I have control numbers, but they aren't my barcode numbers, and barcodes seem blank, should that be happening in the conversion process or is that a configuration in koha 17:43 patric reading docs, still available if someone wants me to make sense out of my question 17:44 druthb patric: Koha doesn't have any settings to explicitly toss data out of an imported record (which is what I'm assuming you're up to.) Barcodes need to be in 952 $p. Anywhere is Is Not A Barcode, to Koha (as default-configured for MARC21) 17:45 druthb It's a pretty common migration task to shift item data from wherever the legacy ILS puts it, to the proper places in Koha. 17:45 cait hi #koha 17:45 druthb hi, cait. :) 17:46 cait :) 17:50 patric So, if I just wish to use our old numbering as barcodes, bringing that data in as 952 $p in the conversion should do it? 17:50 patric Have I mentioned that the help in here is way nicer than I deserve? 17:51 jcamins patric: right, but make sure you don't have any duplicate numbers. 17:51 druthb :) Glad to assist, patric. 17:51 cait 952$p for baroces sound right 17:52 patric I need to make a shelf-tag sort of value, that's dewey+first 3, someone want to make that easy (I can look it all up again, but haven't touch any of this in 3 weeks, if it's on the top of someone's heade) 17:53 jcamins patric: you should put that in the call number. 952$o? 17:54 patric thanks, I'll go fool with converting again, might pop back up with more questions 17:55 jcamins Time to head into the city to go to Forest Hills. 18:00 francharb see ya! 18:02 druthb patric: Take a look at your framework, for field 952; the subfields there will tell you what should be where, in the item-specific data. That's a screen I look at quite a bit. 18:12 * cait1 waves 18:12 druthb ooo...an extra cait. 18:12 druthb :) 18:13 cait1 yeah 18:13 cait1 :) 18:25 schuster Patric and there are other fields that are "required" as well - Location and Collection and item type for sure. 18:25 cait1 hm no 18:25 cait1 you don't need collection and location 18:26 cait1 itemtype, barcode, call number, $a and $b = branch 18:26 cait1 um sorry, I am tired 18:26 schuster well if I don't put them in and load the records - oh wait... I don't know how things work with 3.6 because in my 3.2 they won't show if they are blank and you can't edit them. Goes to sit in corner :) 18:27 cait1 and jumping around between laptops, never a good idea 18:27 cait1 schuster: oh! 18:27 druthb collection and location are useful, but not mandatory. The only *mandatory* ones are home and holding branch ($a and $b), barcode ($p) and item type ($y). 18:27 cait1 some of our libraries are not using collection or location - I think perhaps there is really a bug somewhere 18:27 druthb Lots of other Good Ideas, like call number, call number source, price, location or collection codes, etcetc. 18:28 schuster Just had to fix 60 of them that we loaded without a collection code as they didn't display but you could see them in edit item but not touch them. but again I'm on 3.2 hopefully moving forward in the near future! 18:30 cait1 :) 19:20 chris_n there you are cait 19:20 cait here I am 19:20 chris_n the testing sounds good 19:20 cait :) 19:20 chris_n don't forget that patch to fixup... 19:20 chris_n hmm, can't remember the bz number 19:21 chris_n CRC checksum is bad on that address range in my memory :-S 19:22 cait ? 19:23 cait I have no idea what you are talking about 19:23 cait hm not true 19:23 cait I know what a crc checksum is :) 19:27 chris_n cait: the one related to this commit: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commit;h=99147d26 19:27 rangi jcamins_away: you about? 19:27 cait oh 19:27 cait I did a patch for that 19:27 chris_n cait: the sample borrower data 19:27 cait fixing the sample data 19:27 chris_n cool 19:27 cait it's in bugzilla 19:28 cait thought you had seen it 19:28 chris_n bug number please :-) 19:28 cait it has no sign-off yet... 19:28 * chris_n 's brain is still at lunch 19:28 chris_n must have to do with that chicken jalape�o sandwich 19:28 chris_n heya rangi 19:29 cait bug 7453 19:29 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7453 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Borrower without expiry date breaks opac login 19:30 chris_n that will need translating 19:31 chris_n since its minor, it will have to wait until after the string freeze... 19:32 * chris_n gets spammed by 1633 :-) 19:32 rangi its the new workflow 19:32 rangi you cant go from pushed 19:32 rangi back 19:32 rangi you have to go to assigned and start again 19:32 rangi im not liking it 19:33 rangi but now at least jenkins will be happy, when that gets pushed 19:33 chris_n yeah, I noticed that problem when moving things back to rel_3_X 19:34 chris_n seems a bit inconvenient 19:34 rangi yup 19:43 cait chris_n: no translation changes there - it's in the sql files 19:43 cait but it needs a sign-off probably 19:43 oleonard Making progress: http://screencast.com/t/1bkZhpsuIU 19:44 chris_n cait: so every language uses us-style addressing in the sample patrons? 19:44 cait the admin user has no address at all 19:44 cait and it's the only user account I changed 19:44 cait adding only an expiry date 19:45 chris_n ok, I missed that 19:46 chris_n if its not signed off by friday, I'll probably push it to 3.6.x anyway 19:46 chris_n its a very small change 19:46 cait yes, but if it will go in 3.6.4 it will not hurt 19:46 cait I think it's quite unlikely that people run into that 19:48 * rangi heads out to do some Koha training 19:48 rangi bbl 19:49 cait bye rangi 19:56 oleonard Getting lots of 404s in Firebug from the new cover images stuff. 20:02 cait the local images? 20:02 oleonard Yeah 20:19 jcamins_away I am now. 20:20 jcamins_away Oh, rangi is gone. 20:21 jcamins_away oleonard: it uses javascript to load the image asynchronously. 20:25 schuster This is a bit off topic, but you all are my techie friends... anyone have a "cloud" bookmarking tool they like? I keep changing computers and don't have the right set of bookmarks! 20:26 * oleonard has stuck with Delicious 20:27 schuster oleonard - yeah I was talking with someone else just a minute ago that had a delicious account... Just wondering if there was anything else out there I should look at before I resurrect my old delicious account 20:28 magnus_afk i have tested http://www.faviki.com/ but gravitated back to delicious again... 20:29 wizzyrea I love the new delicious 20:29 * wizzyrea never left 20:29 * wizzyrea had faith 20:29 magnus_afk hehe 20:29 cait :) 20:29 cait me too but forogt my password 20:29 * magnus_afk used magnolia until it collpased 20:29 cait have to get that reset 20:29 * jcamins thought that delicious was bought by Yahoo and closed? 20:30 liw schuster, I have a personal wiki and a link page on that; from the top of the page: "I don't usually use bookmarks for links I want to keep. The reasons for this are obscure: back in the early days of the world wide web, I kept switching between computers and browsers, so having bookmarks in the browser was inconvenient. Also, browser bookmark support sucked. So instead I started keeping a web page with links. This is the current incarnation of that web page." 20:30 liw (and since it's an ikiwiki, all the wiki contents is in git, so I can edit it on any of my computers) 20:30 liw (disclaimer: if it's posisble to do with ikiwiki, I will do it that way; if it's not possible, I pretend it is, anyway :) 20:30 * magnus_afk hadn't really seen new delicious 20:35 * magnus_afk wanders off again 20:54 oleonard jcamins: Someone else bought Delicious from Yahoo and kept it open 20:54 wizzyrea ^^ 20:54 jcamins Ah. 20:54 wizzyrea and made it better! 20:54 oleonard What's that huginn`? A new bug needs signoff? Which one? 20:54 * oleonard listens 20:54 oleonard Oh, Bug 7466? Thanks! 20:54 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7466 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Cart notification popup should appear onscreen even when button is offscreen 20:55 cait lol 21:04 oleonard What was the change to git config that was recommended recently? Dealing with whitespace? I think it was rangi 21:04 cait it's on his blog 21:04 cait and it works very nicely 21:04 cait it fixes whitespace errors for you when applying the patch 21:04 oleonard Ah: http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2011/12/15/fixing-whitespace-when-apply-patches-with-git/ 21:05 wizzyrea oh yea it's awesome 21:05 * wizzyrea has it 21:05 oleonard Except I think my follow-up for Bug 6210 didn't apply for nengard because I have it and she doesn't 21:05 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6210 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Failed QA , Choose framework on Merge 21:05 cait from the bug 21:05 * oleonard is guessing 21:05 cait I think she didn't try git am -iu3 21:06 cait only git bz 21:07 oleonard I just tested the patches using git bz on a fresh branch and had no errors 21:19 * oleonard waves goodbye to all 21:19 wizzyrea byeeeeee 21:19 * wizzyrea wishes briefly that you could see the current logins to a koha system. 21:23 schuster byeee.... meee too! 21:23 wizzyrea hehe later 21:23 cait me too Ö) 21:23 cait and good night :) 21:24 sekjal afternoon/evening, all 21:25 sekjal oh, and morning, too 21:28 patric hey, everyone 21:28 wahanui everyone is doin' the hot new dance the Cracked Out Kitty Tail Shiver 21:28 patric hey, wahanui 21:28 wahanui patric: sorry... 21:29 patric np 21:29 patric It's not like this up on the projector in front of class full of kids ... 21:30 patric how do I get rid of my staged import files that were complete failures? 21:32 sekjal patric: there should be a 'clean' link in the Manage Staged MARC records menu 21:33 * wizzyrea blinks 21:33 wizzyrea it's sekjal1 21:33 wizzyrea ! 21:33 wizzyrea hi : 21:33 wizzyrea :) 21:33 sekjal hi, wizzyrea 21:35 patric Thanks, used the clean link, I was hoping for a "make it look like you're not the sort of idiot that takes 10 tries to get something right" link 21:35 bag hi sekjal 21:36 sekjal hi, bag 21:37 * patric doesn't blink 21:38 sekjal patric: the clean link just removes the MARC records from your database, but the record of having uploaded them persists. Did you want to remove the file from listing, as well? 21:39 patric I'm really sorry to have to ask these questions over and over, but how do i un-import the old records before I bring in the new ones? and thanks sekjal, but the record is fine, chances are no one will ever see it 21:39 wizzyrea revert batch :) 21:39 wizzyrea under manage staged marc records 21:41 patric undo import into catalog? 21:41 wahanui well, undo import into catalog is very slow working on Gana's server. can i use any commands for mysql database of koha. 21:41 wizzyrea lol wahanui 21:41 wizzyrea forget undo import into catalog 21:41 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot undo import into catalog 21:42 patric I'm gonna go ahead and click undo import 21:42 patric undo import is also slow on patric's server 21:47 * jcamins waves to sekjal. 21:47 sekjal hi, jcamins 22:00 patric imported dewy as 952$o and first 3 as 952$o and joined them, they end up on one line, which of course doesn't work for spine labels 22:01 patric do i want to just not joint them, or space them somehow, putting first three at offset 1 instead of 0? 22:02 druthb you might want to do that as a simple string: $newcall = $dewey.' '.$first_three; then define 952$o as $newcall. The space will make it break on a spine label, usually. 22:04 patric thanks, any thoughts on doing that with marcedit?\ 22:18 jcamins patric: just add a space between. 22:18 jcamins (I don't use MarcEdit, but I'd think that there's the option to add a space)