Time Nick Message 01:45 mtj later tell slef http://support.google.com/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=139066 01:45 mtj later tell slef google does have some other handy method for handling duplicated content, too 01:46 * rangi hands mtj an @ 01:46 mtj @later tell slef http://support.google.com/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=139066 01:46 huginn mtj: The operation succeeded. 01:47 mtj @later tell slef google does have some other handy method for handling duplicated content, too 01:47 huginn mtj: The operation succeeded. 01:47 mtj bah! ;P 10:36 Culiforge Is biblios.net/org defunct... I get rerouted to the google gears blog stating that gears has stopped in favor of html5 but there's no where to go from there.... 10:37 cait I think it relied on gears so might be 'dead' now 10:38 Culiforge bummer... 10:38 rangi when chris catalfo left liblime (along with pretty much everyone else) liblime stopped doing any work on it, and let it die 10:40 rangi chris catalfo put the code up in a git repo on github though, so if people wanted to port it to html5 they can 10:40 Culiforge I was hoping it would allow me to do what I needed to do.. is there a way to take a csv db and search/convert to marc21? 10:40 rangi yes, lots of ways 10:41 Culiforge anything with a low curve since i'm still learning my way around... 10:42 rangi they all involve a knowledge of marc21 10:42 cait you have to map your csv to the proper marc21 fields 10:43 rangi http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=koha.git;a=tree;f=import/csv;h=5d4f3004fb164ea772df6bdf1a2044244162f9ea;hb=e5b47d4993bc3815c86877cb4c59735e49737ee5 10:47 Culiforge hmm, with all the .pl stuff I assume this is perl? I really know nothing about perl. 10:47 cait it's perl scripts that can help with conversion 10:47 cait you can also use a tool like marcedit 10:48 cait but the scripts are more flexible I think 10:50 Culiforge is there some documentation somewhere I can peruse... I don't see any type of readme or manual among the link from rangi 10:50 cait I think the manual is probably in the code 10:50 cait ye 10:50 cait p 10:51 cait it's in the file 10:51 cait look at csvtomarc 10:51 Culiforge so if I download the csvtomarc.pl.. and run it how.. to access documentation? 10:52 cait I think you will need more than that file alone 10:52 cait because it is probably using other scripts 10:52 cait running it with -h should give you documentation 10:53 cait or with man 10:59 Culiforge so.... (low curve.. remember) running it... 10:59 cait I fear I can't help you much in using it 10:59 cait because I have never used it 11:00 Culiforge but running perl scripts in general.. how do I invoke it 11:00 cait ./your script 11:00 cait or 11:00 cait perl your script 11:00 cait should both work I think 11:00 Culiforge ok, thx 11:00 cait hopefully I gave you the rght answer :) 11:01 Culiforge with the ,pl extension or no 11:01 cait witz 11:01 cait with 11:04 Culiforge it tells me that it can't find csvutils.pm in @INC... what's @inc? 11:04 cait your path 11:05 cait it means you need this file too 11:05 Culiforge ok I got it.. wher should I put it? 11:05 cait I would put it in the same directory 11:05 cait because it's like that on the repo 11:06 Culiforge ahh, now comes the finding of all the files it needs.... 11:08 Culiforge am I wrong in thinking that by doing an apt search for these files it'll turn up a package with them.. or am I barking up the wrong tree with that? 11:08 cait hm I don't think those are packaged 11:09 cait not sure what it's complaining about now 11:09 Culiforge issn.pm 11:09 cait sorry - wrong person to ask 11:10 Culiforge no problem.. just trying to figure out where to look to find the files it's asking for as they're not in the git tree presently 11:10 cait if you search for csv and marc21 you will find more hints I guess 11:10 Culiforge I shall pray to the google got 11:10 cait people do it in different ways 11:10 Culiforge got 11:10 Culiforge god 11:10 cait heh 11:34 Culiforge ok.. I got it... now I just need to figure out the syntax and mapping 11:38 Culiforge so when I see something like this: [--format=*MARC format*] is the item in *-*'s variable input from me? 11:39 cait I would think so 11:39 cait replacing *MARC format* with MARC21 probably 11:39 cait but you will have to try 11:39 Culiforge alright, I'll give it a go and see what turns to mush 11:42 Culiforge hmm, it all seems easy enough.. like you said though.. knowledge of marc format needed.. back to the google altar... 11:45 cait heh 11:45 cait I can point you to some common fields 11:45 cait loc.gov/marc is the official documentation 11:49 Culiforge well, let me ask you this.. if I convert isbn field to marc, can I not use the Z39.5 to search matching records? or doesn't it work that way... 12:01 cait you can search for records by isbn 12:01 cait I think there might be even a script for that in the repo 12:01 cait but it will not do it automatically 12:01 cait for all 12:01 cait you would have to do it one by one manually with koha 12:01 cait or use a script before you import the data into koha 12:36 Culiforge ok, I've got some marc records imported to koha but I can't seem to find them.. is there some process command I need to use to enter them into the catalog? 12:37 cait how have you imported them? 12:37 cait with which tool? 12:37 cait stage marc imports under tools? 12:38 cait if yes then next you want to go to tools > manage staged imports and finish your import :) 12:38 Culiforge yes, stage. followed it all and got successfully imported 56 records 12:38 Culiforge yes, did that 12:38 cait ok 12:38 cait did you set up the cronjobs for indexing? 12:38 cait does a manually imported record from z39.50 show up? 12:38 Culiforge not that i can find anywhere 12:39 cait search faq? 12:39 wahanui search faq is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/ 12:39 cait probably they are not imported 12:39 cait umindexed 12:39 cait sorry 12:39 cait normally the cron will pick them up and index them 12:39 cait depending on the time you have set there 12:39 Culiforge so I should set up a cron job? 12:39 cait yes 12:39 cait there is an example file 12:39 cait in 12:39 cait misc/cronjobs 12:40 Culiforge do this through koha or command line 12:40 cait command line 12:44 Culiforge ... where do I find misc/cronjobs? 12:45 cait in your koha folder 12:47 cait hm directory 12:50 Culiforge I have kohaclone in my home dir 12:50 Culiforge thats what the git install setup 12:51 cait yes 12:51 cait in there 12:52 Culiforge crontab.example? 12:52 cait yes 12:53 cait you will want to make the paths in there match yours 12:53 cait for the export lines 12:53 cait and perhaps comment out some things 12:55 Culiforge zebra index updates? 12:56 cait you want that, yes 12:56 Culiforge this is what I have */10 * * * * $KOHA_CRON_PATH/../migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -z >/dev/null 12:57 cait yep 12:57 cait that should be ok 12:57 jcamins o/ 12:57 cait there are 2 lines on top 12:57 cait export... you want tohave the correct paths there 12:57 cait hi jcamins :) 12:57 cait you are so much better at this than me ... want chocolate? 12:57 jcamins Yes please! 12:58 * cait hands over some yummy swiss chocolate 12:58 jcamins Mmm. 12:58 jcamins Much needed. 12:59 Culiforge "export... you want tohave the correct paths there" I don't see anything like that 12:59 cait jcamins: can you help set up the cronjobs? 12:59 cait ah 12:59 jcamins cait: I can try. 13:01 cait Culiforge: i was wrong I think, no export but the 2 varialbes should be defined somewhere 13:01 cait jcamins knows 13:01 cait :P 13:02 pastebot "jcamins" at 98.14.120.176 pasted "Culiforge: crontab" (4 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/204 13:02 jcamins Whoops, let me try that again. 13:02 * jcamins is still mostly asleep. 13:02 pastebot "jcamins" at 98.14.120.176 pasted "Culiforge: crontab" (4 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/205 13:02 jcamins There we go. 13:03 jcamins Change /home/culiforge/kohaclone to point to your actual kohaclone, and /home/culiforge/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml to point to your actual koha-conf.xml. 13:03 wahanui jcamins: that doesn't look right 13:03 jcamins change something to something else 13:03 wahanui jcamins: that doesn't look right 13:04 jcamins Woohoo! The wahanui bug has reappeared and I can take out my frustration on it. 13:07 Culiforge I don't have a koha-dev in my home folder... 13:07 jcamins Culiforge: change it to wherever you did install Koha. 13:07 wahanui jcamins: that doesn't look right 13:11 Culiforge /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml does that seem right? 13:11 Culiforge there's only one koha-conf.xml file right? 13:12 jcamins That sounds right. 13:13 jcamins In that case, instead of ~/kohaclone you probably want /usr/share/koha 13:14 Culiforge and the */5 line goes under the zebra index updates section? 13:15 jcamins Yes. 13:18 Culiforge I'm not finding migration_tools 13:19 Culiforge /migration_tools/ that is 13:19 jcamins Culiforge: well, in that case run `find / -name "rebuild_zebra.pl" -print` and use that as the path. 13:22 Culiforge /home/gary/kohaclone/misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl 13:22 Culiforge /home/gary/kohaclone/blib/SCRIPT_NONDEV_DIR/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl 13:22 Culiforge /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl 13:22 cait It's in the same folder 13:22 cait as the cronjobs directoy 13:22 cait in the same directory... 13:23 cait ok 13:23 cait I am confused now 13:25 jcamins Culiforge: in that case use /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl 13:25 Culiforge ok, to clarify.. since I used the git install instrucions.. should I be looking at all in kohaclone... it should be ins just a koha dir right? 13:25 jcamins No. If you used a "dev" install, you use what's in kohaclone. 13:25 jcamins If you used a "standard" install, you use the standard bit. 13:26 Culiforge standard here 13:26 Culiforge so koha and not kohaclone then? 13:26 jcamins /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl it is. 13:27 Culiforge so my zebra section line looks like => */5 * * * * /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -z >/dev/null 13:28 jcamins Looks good to me. 13:29 Culiforge so now we save the file as ? and in the usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs ? 13:30 jcamins Culiforge: I thought you were editing your crontab. 13:30 Culiforge cait had me open the crontab.example 13:30 jcamins Culiforge: I suggest reading `man 5 crontab` 13:31 Culiforge will do 13:31 Culiforge so we're not saving anything we've just done 13:31 cait you can change the example and copy from that later 13:32 Culiforge right 13:32 cait I would save it 13:32 jcamins Yeah, that would be a good idea. 13:32 Culiforge so i'll save it on my desktop then after I checkout the man 5 crontab I "should" know which end is up? 13:33 jcamins Yes, that should clarify things for you. 13:33 Culiforge rock on... thanks you two 13:33 Culiforge time for me to go.. enjoy your day 13:34 jcamins You too. 13:34 cait bye Culiforge 13:37 jcamins Cheese bread is a truly inspired concept. 13:37 cait :) 13:37 cait yum 14:20 Culiforge ok, I read the man.. I'm understanding much better now what's going on 14:21 Culiforge from what I think I understand, running: /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -z >/dev/null should update indexes right away correct? 14:21 jcamins Right. 14:21 jcamins You'll have to decide which crontab to put it in based on which user you're running Koha as. 14:21 Culiforge and the crontab line you provided updates it every 5 min. correct? 14:21 jcamins Exactly. 14:22 Culiforge it may just be me not quite understanding how things are done but every 5 min seems quite often... or is that the norm 14:22 * jcamins runs it every five minutes. 14:23 jcamins Actually, I often run it from the command line because I don't want to wait five minutes for changes to show up. 14:24 Culiforge that makes sense too 14:24 Culiforge one problem though. when I run: /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -z >/dev/null I get: http://pastebin.com/PurbGtg2 14:25 jcamins You need to do `export KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/koha-conf.xml` and `export PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib` (or whatever the proper paths are) 14:26 jcamins (in the crontab, remove the "export") 14:26 Culiforge so for my sanity, what does that do? 14:27 jcamins That sets two variables. 14:27 jcamins PERL5LIB makes sure that the Perl interpreter knows where to find the Koha LIBraries (C4::whatever). 14:28 jcamins KOHA_CONF tells the system where to find the configuration file. 14:34 Culiforge so running rubuild_zebra.pl from command line I get : http://pastebin.com/wi1WU04C 14:35 jcamins Culiforge: you need to run it as the same user you're running Koha as. 14:35 Culiforge yes, I'm doing so.. this user is the same 14:35 druthb o/ 14:36 Culiforge or does it need to be the koha user (as in the one actually named koha) 14:36 jcamins Culiforge: that error mesage means that Koha is running as a different user. 14:36 jcamins Yes, the Koha user. 14:37 jcamins If you have a user called koha, that's the one you need to be running it as. 14:38 Culiforge nope, currently I'm the only user in the system 14:38 Culiforge so when I setup I made gary the default koha user 14:39 jcamins Culiforge: hm. Perhaps you set the Zebra up to be owned by root accidentally. 14:40 jcamins Culiforge: the problem is definitely permissions. I'd suggest reviewing all the instructions, see if you missed a step. 14:40 Culiforge are we talking system user or koha user... I created a second koha admin for within koha so as to not run in there as root 14:41 jcamins System user. 14:42 Culiforge .. I just logged out my superlibrarian and back in with first account and indexes updated... 14:44 jcamins Well, good! 14:46 Culiforge indeed, but i'm still not finding the marc records I imported 14:46 jcamins searching faq? 14:46 wahanui it has been said that searching faq is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/ 14:46 jcamins That's a good document to look at. 14:48 druthb wahanui: druthb? 14:48 wahanui She finally snapped, like we all knew she would. 14:48 druthb okay, just checkin'. 14:52 Culiforge ok, I think zebraqueue daemon was setup during install.. 14:52 jcamins Culiforge: ah. 14:53 jcamins You need to disable that. 14:53 Culiforge someone pointed out that it was no longer appropriate but since I was just following the gin install instructions.. it was already done 14:54 Culiforge gin/git 14:55 Culiforge so the faq reveals what the problem is.. where can I find out how to undo it? 14:55 jcamins sudo /etc/init.d/koha-zebraqueuedaemon stop 14:56 jcamins (or whatever the command is) 14:56 jcamins sudo rm ${said command} 14:56 jcamins Remembe, I have never used Zebraqueue daemon. 14:56 jcamins So you might need to look around a bit to figure out what the zebraqueue script in init.d is called. 14:57 Culiforge looking now 15:00 Culiforge koha-zebra-daemon is what it's called 15:00 jcamins That sounds right. 15:01 jcamins Wait, no it doesn't. 15:01 jcamins That's the zebra daemon, not the zebraqueue daemon. 15:01 Culiforge nope, not it 15:01 Culiforge just stopped zebra server 15:01 Culiforge hehe :) 15:01 Culiforge haha, looking some more 15:05 Culiforge so to back up a bit... on my system, i'm logged in as i am, as the primary koha user.. in koha I was logged in as my user/patron/librarian and it wouldn't pass the index update. but when I logged into koha as my originally created user (the one people said not to use for general running) it passed. 15:13 Culiforge I find a koha-zebraqueue-ctl.sh and a zebraqueue_daemon.pl 15:13 jcamins Culiforge: koha-zebraqueue-ctl.sh is probably what you're looking for. 15:14 jcamins Culiforge: I'm not really sure what the problem is. 15:14 jcamins Culiforge: regardless, I need to focus on work for my paying clients now. 15:15 Culiforge right on, take care 15:15 jcamins Good luck. 15:15 Culiforge thanks 16:35 jcamins Better begin the process of getting us out of the city for my grandfather's birthday party. 16:35 jcamins Have a good day, #koha. 16:35 cait have fun jcamins_away :) 20:59 cait @wunder Konstanz 20:59 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -1.6�C (9:54 PM CET on January 15, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: -5.0�C. Windchill: -2.0�C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1023.9 hPa (Steady). 21:03 rangi @wunder nzwn 21:03 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0�C (9:00 AM NZDT on January 16, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Rising). 21:25 druthb @wunder 66049 21:25 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is 17.4�C (3:24 PM CST on January 15, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 24%. Dew Point: -3.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010.0 hPa (Steady). 22:09 cait @wunder Konstanz 22:09 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -2.1�C (11:05 PM CET on January 15, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: -5.0�C. Windchill: -2.0�C. Pressure: 30.25 in 1024.3 hPa (Steady).