Time Nick Message
00:01 jcamins_away wizzyrea: Shari got her Transformer tablet. She's very excited.
00:01 jcamins_away Looks like you steered her right. :)
03:27 AmitG heya bag
03:55 Oak kia ora #koha
04:31 bag hey yo AmitG
04:41 cait good morning #koha
04:43 Oak good morning miss cait :)
04:43 cait hi mr Oak :)
07:06 rangi evening
07:06 Oak morning
07:06 Oak :)
07:07 cait wb rangi :)
07:14 ibeardslee good break? I see that you came back with all the kids ;)
07:17 rangi it was tempting by waiouru to just leave htem there :-)
07:17 rangi was a good break tho
07:23 magnuse kia ora #koha!
07:23 rangi heya magnuse
07:23 wahanui magnuse is, like, afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza
07:23 magnuse hehe
07:23 rangi quick better put that on wikipedia
07:23 magnuse hiya rangi
07:29 magnuse hehe
07:30 cait morning magnuse :)
07:31 magnuse ach ja, guten morgen fr�ulein cait
07:31 cait lol
07:31 magnuse or fra�lein? nah looks wrong
07:32 alex_a hello !
07:33 magnuse bonjour alex_a!
07:33 rangi heya alex_a
07:35 cait fräulein if you really want to use that term
07:35 magnuse i do, i do!
07:35 marcelr hello koha
07:35 magnuse ;-)
07:35 magnuse hiya marcelr
07:35 magnuse @wunder boo
07:35 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -1.0�C (8:20 AM CET on January 12, 2012). Conditions: Low Drifting Snow. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: -6.0�C. Windchill: -9.0�C. Pressure: 28.82 in 976 hPa (Steady).
07:35 rangi hi marcelr :)
07:35 marcelr hi magnuse
07:35 marcelr and rangi
07:36 cait hi marcelr
07:36 marcelr hi cait
07:41 cait marcelr: I saw yesterday that the sru patch is stuck with a unimarc problem
07:41 marcelr yes true
07:41 marcelr i asked jonathan to look for a newer version of xslt file
07:42 marcelr it came from biblibre
07:42 cait ah
07:42 cait he noted on the bug he will have no time to debug
07:43 marcelr if he doesnt find it, maybe i split the patch
07:43 cait I see he tried with swb (our catalog)
07:46 cait not sure what the problem is though
07:46 cait hm - would love to see this feature
07:46 cait especially the option to change the records using xslt
07:46 cait ok, time for work
07:46 cait bbiab
07:52 magnuse kia ora hdl
07:53 reiveune hello
07:53 julian_m hello
08:02 rangi hmm i just found a bug
08:02 rangi use vars qw($prefformat);
08:02 rangi
08:02 rangi sub _prefformat {
08:03 rangi unless ( defined $prefformat ) {
08:03 rangi $prefformat = C4::Context->preference('dateformat');
08:03 rangi }
08:03 rangi return $prefformat;
08:03 rangi }
08:03 rangi fine under cgi ... bad under persistance, nothing clears that var when the syspref changes
08:03 matts hi #koha !
08:04 magnuse rangi: ouch!
08:04 rangi hi matts
08:04 rangi yep, we have a few of those, its why we cant just do what liblime did, and switch on plack, or it ends up broken like theirs
08:05 magnuse way to go...
08:08 kf back
08:09 magnuse willkommen zur�ck, kf
08:09 kf magnuse: you scare me a little bit
08:09 kf magnuse: trying to learn german again?
08:09 asaurat boo
08:09 asaurat did I scare you yoo ? :D
08:09 kf nope
08:09 asaurat hi !
08:09 kf heh
08:09 kf morning asaurat
08:09 kf :)
08:10 magnuse kf: it's all coming back to me now...
08:10 rangi hi kf
08:10 kf heya rangi
08:11 kf magnuse: ohoh
08:12 magnuse the horror...
08:13 kf yeah, learning german would do that
08:15 asaurat Freizugigkeitsbescheinigung
08:16 asaurat (first word I learnt in Deutschland after "hallo" und "bier")
08:17 magnuse nothing against german per se, just that memories of learning it in school are less than fond... :-)
08:25 sophie_m hi #koha
08:27 kf asaurat: that's a hard one
08:29 asaurat oh, btw, is this colorful island near Konstanz worth the entry fee? :D
08:30 asaurat I saw it while on the boat to Konstanz and the flyers look gorgeous :D but didn't take the time to go there
08:34 asaurat the island of Mainau
08:35 kf hm yes
08:35 kf it's worth a visit
08:35 kf :)
08:35 kf if you like flowers, plants and gardens :)
08:35 asaurat voll mit Blumen :D
08:35 kf yep
08:35 kf it's the blumeninsel
08:36 asaurat for this price they could add a dinosaur or two
08:36 kf lol
08:36 kf it's a bit cheaper in the eveinngs
08:36 kf evenings
08:36 kf and a ticket for a full year is quite inexpensive
08:43 rangi wb paul_p and hi julian_m_
08:43 kf hi paul_p and julian_m
09:00 kf meeting time
09:00 rangi hmm is it international do things the hard way day?
09:00 magnuse lol
09:01 rangi lets install and old version of koha, ignore the instructions saying postgres support is expiremental and wont work
09:01 magnuse otherwise it might be too easy...
09:06 rangi :)
09:07 magnuse especially with the packages - where's the fun in using them? :-)
10:30 mcmx_ Hi all, i'm trying to set up LDAP (Active Directory) on Koha however when i try and login with a valid AD account i get a 500 and "Add_Delta_Days(): not a valid date" in the log, any ideas? Many Thanks
10:47 Culiforge Could someone point me to a good and simple tutorial for installing Koha on 10.04? I'm about 2 months using Linux and need a little hand holding :)
10:47 Culiforge ubuntu 10.04 that is...
10:48 magnuse Culiforge: the official and quality controlled install instructions are in the INSTALL.* files that come with Koha. see http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=tree;hb=HEAD
10:49 magnuse there is one called INSTALL.ubuntu.lucid
10:50 magnuse there are also PPAs for ubuntu here: https://launchpad.net/~koha
11:03 Culiforge magnuse: right, thank you, I'm checking it out now
11:38 Culiforge magnuse: during the install when I run 'install_misc/ubuntu-pkg-check.sh | grep none', those results are what I need to manually install correct?
11:39 magnuse yep
11:39 magnuse but note the bit about newer packages maybe getting installed, just below that command in the INSTALL file
11:42 Culiforge yes, saw that. so it tells me libmysqlclient16-dev depends on libmysqlclient-dev so I need to install the latter then the foremer?
11:43 Culiforge grep did not return any info on libmsql...16
11:49 magnuse hm, not sure about the specifics there
11:50 Culiforge hmm, tracing back dependencies I get=> zlib1g-dev:
11:50 Culiforge Depends: zlib1g (=1:1.2.3.3.dfsg-15ubuntu1) but 1:1.2.3.4.dfsg-3 is to be installed
11:50 Culiforge sorry, this is greek
11:50 magnuse for me too...
11:51 Culiforge hehe
11:51 magnuse mysql shouldn't be too hard to get running, though
11:51 magnuse could it be that you have it and the check is looking for an older version?
11:51 Culiforge pretty sure dselect already installed mysql
11:52 Culiforge I did the grep command for libmysql16-dev and it started kicking back dependency issues at that point
11:55 magnuse sorry, gotta run
12:02 Culiforge can anyone else assist me with the difference between 1:1.2.3.3.dfsg-15ubuntu1 and 1:1.2.3.4.dfsg-3?
12:02 Culiforge of course i may not be looking at the right solution...
12:03 slef @query koha-create
12:03 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6913 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, NEW , Improving koha-list and koha-create
12:03 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4226 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , bulkmarcimport.pl doesn't replace 001 when keepids is not specified
12:03 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6797 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, magnus, NEW , Make koha-create more verbose
12:04 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6798 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, magnus, NEW , Make koha-create send email with details of created site
12:04 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4875 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, NEW , koha-remove, koha-restore should have options similar to --request-db
12:04 slef Culiforge: give me a mo to look at recent messages here so I can see what the problem is?
12:06 slef Culiforge: if you "aptitude install libmysql16-dev" it should get whatever dependencies it needs. What installation command were you running?
12:16 slef updated bug 7428 because a client just hit it
12:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7428 minor, P5 - low, ---, robin, NEW , koha-create should check for length of instancename
12:17 Culiforge sorry, went afk to let the dogs out.. i'm back now... looking back for your answer
12:18 Culiforge slef: ok, from http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=INSTALL.ubuntu.lucid;h=562dafd01c305c79fb19fbc701c338b5ed0eac3c;hb=HEAD
12:19 Culiforge line 86 install_misc/ubuntu-pkg-check.sh | grep none
12:19 Culiforge libmysqlclient16-dev = (none)
12:19 Culiforge libyaz3-dev = (none)
12:19 Culiforge libgcrypt11-dev = (none)
12:19 Culiforge libxml2-dev = (none)
12:19 Culiforge libxslt1-dev = (none)
12:20 slef hrm. What ubuntu version is that?
12:20 Culiforge then started searching out dependency issues. first step, I ran sudo apt-get install libmysqlclient16-dev
12:20 Culiforge 10.04
12:22 slef so that's what the INSTALL is written for. Wonder why those packages are not found :-/
12:23 slef I'm pretty sure "apt-get install libmysqlclient-dev libyaz-dev libgcrypt-dev" will be OK if they exist.
12:23 Culiforge The following packages have unmet dependencies:
12:23 Culiforge libmysqlclient-dev: Depends: libmysqlclient16 (= 5.1.41-3ubuntu12.10) but 5.1.58-1 is to be installed
12:23 Culiforge Depends: zlib1g-dev but it is not going to be installed
12:23 Culiforge E: Broken packages
12:23 Culiforge ok, i'll run that... right?
12:23 slef confusing
12:23 wahanui somebody said confusing was "Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
12:25 slef I wonder why it won't just install zlib1g-dev and why it can't find compatible libmysqlclient versions.
12:25 slef Culiforge: have you done "apt-get update" recently?
12:26 Culiforge ya know. I don't remember.. one sec
12:26 Culiforge just did, same output
12:27 slef checking http://packages.ubuntu.com/libmysqlclient16
12:28 Culiforge The following packages have unmet dependencies: libgcrypt11-dev: Depends: libgpg-error-dev but it is not going to be installed libmysqlclient-dev: Depends: libmysqlclient16 (= 5.1.41-3ubuntu12.10) but 5.1.58-1 is to be installed Depends: zlib1g-dev but it is not going to be installed libyaz3-dev: Depends: libxslt1-dev but it is not going to be installed Depends: libgnutls-dev but it is not going to be installed E: Broken packages
12:28 Culiforge I should start pastebin-ing...
12:28 slef 5.1.41-3ubuntu12.* should be the latest on lucid. Are you sure you're on 10.04? What does /etc/ubuntu_version (I think) say?
12:29 slef do you have non-lucid lines in your /etc/apt/sources.list or /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ ?
12:29 slef 5.1.58 looks like oneric or precise
12:30 Culiforge hmm, i've got some dapper in sources.list
12:31 Culiforge I think that was for handbrake..
12:32 slef "dpkg -s libmysqlclient16" into a pastebin may help
12:32 slef HandBrake is a software application that can convert MPEG video (including DVD-Video) into a MPEG-4 video file in .mp4, .avi, .ogm, or .mkv containers. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HandBrake
12:32 slef curious. Why's that better than ffmpeg?
12:33 Culiforge http://paste.ubuntu.com/801686/
12:34 Culiforge i use handbrake because it's simple to convert my vid collection to .mkv for my htpc.. and i'm green on linux so I go the easiest route
12:35 Culiforge atm
12:35 slef ok, next question, do you remember downloading libmysqlclient16 from debian?
12:35 Culiforge not that i'm aware of... I was following the tutorial magnus provided that I link a little back
12:36 * slef checks that again
12:36 Culiforge unless it was part of ubuntu.packages that I intalled...
12:37 Culiforge or the dselect thing
12:37 slef unlikely unless you've debian.org lines in /etc/apt
12:38 slef I guess you could try "sudo apt-get install libmysqlclient16=5.1.41-3ubuntu12.10" and see if that gets you moving again
12:38 slef somehow you've installed a libmysqlclient16 version which doesn't exist in ubuntu
12:39 slef I don't suppose you keep any logs or notes which might say where/when/why that was installed?
12:39 Culiforge ok, I see it.. it was installed from debian sid.... that entry is commented out now.
12:40 Culiforge if I had logs, where might they be?
12:43 slef whereever you wrote them... or maybe ubuntu installs something that keeps /var/log/apt* but I don't know ubuntu well. (I prefer .org to .com)
12:49 Culiforge ok, lemme poke around a bit
12:52 Culiforge I have this entry in history.log... does'nt tell much libmysqlclient16 (5.1.41-3ubuntu12.10, 5.1.58-1)
12:53 slef no time or similar? tells you when it was replaced. Have you tried the apt-get install = command above?
12:53 slef lunchtime here... back in 20
12:57 Culiforge synaptic is showing 5.1.58 is what I have now... there is a 5.1.41-3ubuntu12.10 (lucid-updates) that i assume it replaced
13:05 Culiforge back
13:21 slef back
13:23 Culiforge slef: ok, so I went into synaptic and forced vesion of prev libmysqlclient16... apparently something was installed requiring kde libraries and such... so i'm tracing back version dependencies atm...
13:24 Culiforge gotta go to work in about 10 min but I'll be back later.
13:30 * oleonard wonders why Koha must be "KOHA" in Poland... http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Koha_(software)&diff=470955800&oldid=prev
13:33 slef oleonard: I don't understand. :(
13:33 slef Culiforge: sounds like your system is a mashup of ubuntu lucid and debian sid :-/
13:34 Culiforge yeah, I don't remember what I was trying to install that required the sid repo... but if it breaks I should learn to live without it until i'm more handy with linux
13:36 Culiforge it appears I have it fixed though.. now to continue on with koha install.. um.. after I go to work that is.. thx for the help you got me back on track
13:36 slef np. Good luck!
13:42 oleonard kf around?
13:44 kf here :)
13:45 oleonard Yesterday you suggested I use BETWEEN in my query instead of MONTH() and YEAR() and you were absolutely right
13:45 oleonard It took the query from 28.57 sec to 1.48 sec
13:45 kf oh wow
13:45 kf that is a lot!
13:46 oleonard Yeah, I'll say
13:51 kf but cool that it worked
13:51 kf I got another mail asking about my css problem :(
13:51 kf hope I can figure it out tomorrow
13:52 tcohen hi #koha
13:52 tcohen sunny day here listening to Sublime
13:52 mcmx_ Hi all, im struggling to set up Koha with Active Directory, i've configured my koha-conf however im getting "LDAP Auth rejected" when i try and log in with a valid user. Any help would be great. Thanks
13:58 gmcharlt @quote random
13:58 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #148: "<oleonard> sekjal wants EVERYTHING in a matrix! <sekjal> I'm like the Anti-Neo" (added by wizzyrea at 05:11 PM, August 25, 2011)
13:59 gmcharlt heh
14:01 kf mcmx_: I would recommend again to ask your question on the mailing list and give the version of your installation and what you did so far
14:04 oleonard mailing list?
14:04 wahanui i guess mailing list is at http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/
14:05 oleonard Say it with confidence wahanui
14:05 kf :)
14:05 kf wahanui botsnack cookie
14:05 wahanui thanks kf :)
14:13 jcamins Good morning, #koha
14:13 oleonard Hi jcamins
14:15 jcamins Ooh, I didn't realize there was a "Patch pushed" query.
14:17 * jcamins hums 76 trombones.
14:19 kf hi jcamins :)
14:21 jcamins Good morning, kf.
14:22 jcamins I hope the weather in Konstanz is nicer than the weather in Forest Hills.
14:22 magnuse slef++ for troubleshooting!
14:24 * jcamins will have to find out from rangi how to get C & P listed as an employer.
14:25 magnuse jcamins: rangi does that in some kind of mailmap file when he does the stats, i think
14:26 jcamins Oh, that's right... I need to send a mailmap patch for chris_n.
14:26 magnuse http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/Adding-mailmap-file-to-3-6-x-td5047659.html
14:27 jcamins Yep. I'm just forgetful.
14:27 magnuse http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=.mailmap;h=b186da0047a91d58dfaa6227e788b8c32e69b5e2;hb=3.6.x
14:28 slef ta magnuse... I'll look at your RFC change RSN
14:28 slef magnuse: I take it you oppose keeping git as the home of installation instructions?
14:28 * jcamins was trying to figure out what the 'S' stood for in "Registered S Nurse" for a bit there.
14:29 magnuse slef: not at all!
14:29 magnuse not even sure where you got that idea... ;-)
14:29 slef magnuse: the wiki changelog comment... thought you had split my amendment into its own proposal.
14:29 magnuse git is the place for it, but i was trying to think of ways to help more people discover them
14:30 magnuse slef: i took it you were opposed to having them on the wiki at all - might have misread you
14:30 slef I think there should be wiki links which redirect to or embed the git pages.
14:31 magnuse to avoid remembering to copy over when there are changes?
14:31 slef Yes, and I think copy-pasting them to the wiki is a waste of scarce volunteer time.
14:31 jcamins Embedding++
14:31 magnuse it can be automated with a script...
14:31 magnuse i don't know a way to embed them
14:31 magnuse and i think the text should be in the wiki, for search engines etc
14:31 * jcamins either, but it'd be cool.
14:31 magnuse yeah, very handy
14:32 slef I don't know if mediawiki can. It should but mediawiki doesn't do lots of tings I think it should. ;-)
14:32 magnuse but mediawiki filters out the usual suspects (iframe etc), i think, which is probably a good thing
14:32 magnuse hehe
14:32 magnuse there might be an extension
14:32 jcamins Ugh. I have a meeting in 28 minutes.
14:32 magnuse poos jcamins ;-)
14:35 jcamins mailmap patch submitted.
14:36 oleonard What is a mailmap patch?
14:36 * oleonard sees
14:37 * jcamins_away dashes off to his meeting.
14:37 jcamins_away Back in a bit.
14:38 magnuse slef: did you see someone asking about koha in the uk on twitter yesterday? had the #koha hashtag
14:39 jcamins_away @later tell rangi I love Atarau's expression in the bee picture.
14:39 huginn jcamins_away: The operation succeeded.
14:39 slef magnuse: no I missed that :( I'll look.
14:43 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7439] Mailmap for 3.6.x not complete <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7439>
14:45 kf jcamins_away: yeah - it's great
14:45 kf jcamins_away: the bee pic :)
14:50 magnuse bz doen?
14:50 magnuse *down
14:51 oleonard it is for me too magnuse
14:52 oleonard Is that ByWater or rangi?
14:53 magnuse rangi
14:53 magnuse according to http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Website_Administration#bugs.koha-community.org
14:54 oleonard Oh, so I can't suggest that someone at ByWater's staff retreat set a beer keg on the Bugzilla server
14:55 magnuse well, you can always suggest it...
14:55 magnuse could be a long distance keg
14:57 paul_p bz down for us in France too
15:00 slef gmcharlt: can you reach/reset bugs?
15:01 paul_p slef, reset bugs ? VERY GOOD idea ! starting a new year with all bugs resetted will please many of us :D :D :D
15:01 magnuse hehe
15:01 kf nah not sure
15:02 slef deliberate misparse there I think
15:02 kf they still remain, only undocumented
15:02 mcmx_ hi all, im struggling to set up Koha with Active Directory, i've configured my koha-conf however im getting "LDAP Auth rejected" when i try and log in with a valid user. Any help would be great. Thanks
15:02 gmcharlt slef: yes, I can
15:02 * gmcharlt checks
15:03 paul_p kf, no, no: slef really suggested to reset all the bugs, not only bugzilla. We are all for it :D :D
15:04 jcamins_away wb, paul_p
15:05 kf paul_p: can I veto? ;)
15:05 jcamins_away I am here, but my 10am isn't.
15:06 jcamins_away kf, but I want all bugs fixed immediately too!
15:06 mcmx_ ok now ive fixed that error but now i see " Date::Calc::Add_Delta_Days(): not a valid date", any ideas?
15:06 paul_p kf, you missed the joke I think ;-) (jcamins didn't)
15:07 gmcharlt slef: we have bugs again
15:07 gmcharlt wait, that doesn't sound quite right
15:07 kf perhaps I did
15:07 kf long day
15:07 kf lots of meetings
15:07 jcamins_away Argh!
15:07 magnuse gmcharlt brought the bugs back, oh well...
15:08 magnuse :-)
15:08 jcamins_away kf, did people show up?
15:09 gmcharlt @quote add <magnuse> gmcharlt brought the bugs back, oh well...
15:09 huginn gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. Quote #180 added.
15:09 slef gmcharlt: thank you sweetie!
15:09 kf jcamins_away: yep, our meetings were well attended
15:09 gmcharlt slef: you're welcome
15:10 jcamins_away Hm. Wonder if mine will be...
15:10 kf biblibre++
15:12 paul_p seems bugzilla still not reachable from here...
15:13 oleonard Nor here
15:13 paul_p and I just was needing the 7342 *now* ... murphy's law, as usual...
15:14 * gmcharlt checks again
15:14 gmcharlt @bug 7342
15:14 huginn gmcharlt: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
15:14 paul_p ah, it's back !
15:15 paul_p ok, seems it's back, but it's *very* slow
15:15 gmcharlt @bug 7342
15:15 huginn gmcharlt: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7342 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, alex.arnaud, ASSIGNED , aqbudgets statistics doesn't work when using Authorized values on sort1_authcat or sort2_authcat
15:18 gmcharlt looks like a DOS or misconfigured crawler, working on it
15:19 gmcharlt if somebody in-channel is using a host in Belgium to crawl bugs.koha-community.org using wget, please stop, pretty-please
15:20 oleonard The person who edited our Wikipedia entry yesterday is probably hoping to add a list of all bugs to it :P
15:20 slef iptables -I INPUT -p tcp -s IPADDRESS --dport 80 -j REJECT
15:20 slef but I'm sure you know that (or the typo-free version of it)
15:21 gmcharlt slef: yep, about to do that, just giving a heads up if somebody channel is doing this legitamately (but too eagerly)
15:22 gmcharlt @bug 7342
15:22 huginn gmcharlt: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7342 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, alex.arnaud, ASSIGNED , aqbudgets statistics doesn't work when using Authorized values on sort1_authcat or sort2_authcat
15:22 gmcharlt paul_p: oleonard: try now
15:22 oleonard Works fine for me now
15:30 libsysguy o/
15:35 * gmcharlt has sent an email to abuse@the-offending-institution; it's possible that it was a legitimate, though misguided, crawl
15:36 magnuse \o
15:37 magnuse gmcharlt++ for fixing
15:38 magnuse gmcharlt++ for being an optimist too ;-)
15:39 gmcharlt :)
15:49 magnuse hm, should changes to "Default messaging preferences" for a patron category apply to existing patrons too, or do they just affect new patrons? EnhancedMessagingPreferences = enabled
15:50 oleonard Just new patrons if I recall correctly
15:50 oleonard Isn't there a note about that?
15:50 Guest23632 only new patrons
15:50 * wizzyrea sighs.
15:50 slef gmcharlt: whois -h whois.abuse.net the-offending-institution ?
15:51 magnuse gah, that seems somewhat impractical...
15:51 kf magnuse: only new patrons - and it's ok I think. Because you would overwrite the settings someone has requested
15:52 oleonard magnuse: Wouldn't globally changing the preferences reset prefs which patrons had set for themselves?
15:52 kf jinx? :)
15:52 magnuse yeah, guess you are right
15:52 kf I think there might be a script
15:52 kf in misc
15:52 gmcharlt IIRC, yes
15:52 kf and I have some sql if you want it
15:52 kf because I forgot to set the settings before importing patrons... more than once
15:53 wizzyrea though, if you are like us
15:53 magnuse kf: that's probably the same thing that happend here
15:53 wizzyrea well, not me, because I consider it spamming.
15:53 wizzyrea but the others here
15:53 wizzyrea they went back and clobbered whatever the patrons had set
15:54 wizzyrea "it's for library business and they can change it back"
15:54 wizzyrea which I think is very unfriendly
15:54 magnuse somewhat, yes ;-)
15:54 wizzyrea somewhat is not the adjective I would use
15:54 wizzyrea :P
15:58 kf I think it would not be legal really... if they have opted out
15:58 kf to opt them in
15:58 kf again
15:58 magnuse i'll leave that decision to the library in question
15:59 wizzyrea it would be legal here - companies do it all the time, it's irritating
15:59 gmcharlt slef: no specific address was provided, so I went with abuse@
15:59 kf I am not sure ... only dealing a lot with data privavy
15:59 kf probably dpeends on what you have written down for them to sign at registration
16:00 gmcharlt and the legal jurisdiction
16:00 kf yes, that too
16:00 * gmcharlt can see the system preference now
16:00 gmcharlt ContactInfoOfLibraryAttorney
16:00 kf I will be so happy once I have written up all those documents
16:00 kf lol
16:01 magnuse hm, would a link from a patrons category on their details page (members/moremember.pl?borrowernumber=823) to the edit screen for that category (admin/categorie.pl?op=add_form&categorycode=ST) be a good thing? make it easier to check settings for the category?
16:01 slef magnuse: can't people bulk-edit if they want to override current ones?
16:01 magnuse bulk edit patrons?
16:02 slef else yes, I can see that feature breaking our privacy law in some cases :-/
16:02 slef oh don't we have patron bulk-editing in master yet?
16:02 magnuse well, in this case it's a school - they could probably get away with it
16:02 slef damn it... I've a git tree with it somewhere :( Please send some 36-hour days.
16:02 magnuse slef: i will when i find them
16:03 * wizzyrea sends slef a rocket and a ticket to jupiter
16:03 wizzyrea :)
16:03 wizzyrea you know, for the 36 hour days
16:03 * oleonard suspects the IRC lag is terrible from there
16:03 slef magnuse: make it dependent on a new PatronCategoryChangesBuggerSomeLaws syspref?
16:03 wizzyrea *nod*
16:03 magnuse slef: sure
16:03 slef oleonard: can't be much worse than the lag on my mobile dongle in the fens!
16:03 mib_kus6x7 Evening.....any ideas why all users email overdues might go out multiple times!?
16:04 mib_kus6x7 I found this: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7287
16:04 wizzyrea "lag on my mobile dongle" sounds surprisingly naughty
16:04 huginn 04Bug 7287: normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, sophie.meynieux, ASSIGNED , overdue notification is processed several times if some sites do not have rules
16:04 mib_kus6x7 but I am not sure...
16:04 slef [off] wizzyrea: I'm looking at the pipe-lagging hanging attached my legs and don't know what you mean.
16:05 * wizzyrea giggles
16:05 slef it would be funnier if I'd replaced the right word
16:05 slef mib_kus6x7: do you think that bug does or doesn't apply to you?
16:06 mib_kus6x7 I can't make out the bug. The description fits but when you read the rest of it it doesn't really mention multiple emails..
16:06 jcamins_away magnuse: there's a script to reset messaging to defaults.
16:07 mib_kus6x7 Our site is emailing every user 4 times with the same overdue at the same time
16:07 wizzyrea you don't happen to have a test server hanging out with cronjobs enabled
16:07 * wizzyrea has done that
16:07 wizzyrea (I wasn't proud, mind you)
16:08 kf mib_kus6x7: which version are you using?
16:08 mib_kus6x7 No! Good thought though.
16:08 mib_kus6x7 3.06.00
16:08 jcamins_away mib_kus6x7: how did you install it?
16:08 kf mib_kus6x7: and how are you using overdues? the parameters of your cronjob?
16:09 mib_kus6x7 Just the standard overdues script with -t
16:12 mib_kus6x7 I upgraded it from 3.4
16:12 mib_kus6x7 downloaded the source
16:12 magnuse jcamins_away, kf: found it: misc/maintenance/borrowers-force-messaging-defaults
16:16 jcamins wizzyrea: Shari adores her new Asus Transformer.
16:16 jcamins mib_kus6x7: hm. I was wondering if maybe you had two entries, one in cron.daily and one in the user's crontab, but that seems kind of unlikely.
16:18 reiveune bye
16:18 kf magnuse: cool :)
16:19 kf mib_kus6x7: and your triggers are correctly set under toold > notice triggers?
16:20 wizzyrea :D
16:31 jcamins wizzyrea: do you hear what I hear?
16:31 jcamins It sounds like...
16:31 jcamins dinner...
16:31 wahanui dinner is probably a good idea.
16:31 jcamins cait's...
16:31 wizzyrea is that a bell?
16:31 jcamins I think it was!
16:32 rangi jcamins: updated my stats blogpost for you
16:32 jcamins rangi: awesome!
16:32 jcamins Thanks!
16:32 jcamins rangi++
16:32 jcamins I wasn't actually that troubled.
16:33 jcamins rangi: aren't you on vacation?
16:34 rangi got back yesterday
16:35 jcamins rangi: ah, welcome back.
16:35 rangi thank you
16:38 jcamins If you're not ready to go back to work and want an excuse for taking a mental health day, bug 7430 is a good one. ;)
16:38 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7430 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, NEW , ModZebra should not be in C4::Biblio
16:39 rangi oh i meant to mention, nozebra is deprecated and should be removed
16:39 jcamins Really?
16:39 rangi yep
16:39 jcamins I could just take it out?
16:39 rangi has been for a while
16:39 jcamins Woohoo!
16:39 * jcamins does a happy dance.
16:39 jcamins Happy dance happy dance happy dance!
16:39 rangi we just did it softly, but would be nice to kill it with fire now
16:39 jcamins Yes!
16:40 * oleonard gathers torches
16:40 * magnuse fetches wood for the pyre
16:40 jcamins Fire! Fire! Cleanse the codebase!
16:40 * oleonard imagines that he himself has been carrying around a nozebra all his life, and would have to give it up if someone gave him a zebra.
16:41 jcamins http://xkcd.com/429/
16:41 jcamins So... we might actually be able to use my patches...
16:41 jcamins Wow!
16:42 magnuse woohoo
16:42 tcohen :-D
16:42 oleonard s/patches/matches
16:43 jcamins :)
16:43 magnuse lol
16:44 * jcamins wasn't actually expecting that. The goal was just to spark discussion.
16:44 oleonard You've certainly gotten everyone fired up
16:45 jcamins oleonard++ # that's what I call taking the torch and running with it
16:45 rangi see
16:45 rangi http://koha-community.org/koha-3-4-0-released/
16:45 rangi check under searching
16:45 rangi * NoZebra mode is officially deprecated.
16:46 jcamins Ah, riht you are.
16:46 rangi there was a meeting about it and everything
16:46 jcamins Number one.
16:46 rangi :)
16:47 magnuse any volunteers for a patch to rip out the code and the syspref etc?
16:49 kf dinner?
16:49 wahanui dinner is, like, a good idea
16:49 jcamins wahanui: very true.
16:49 wahanui I know. That's why I said it.
16:50 kf lol
16:50 kf trying to send me home again?
16:50 jcamins Yes.
16:50 kf nice try, but nobody is going to make that dinner for me... so.
16:51 jcamins Bug 7440.
16:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7440 major, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Vestiges of NoZebra should be removed
16:51 rangi magnuse: what needs to be done is check the installer make sure no mention of it, then rip out code, then make sure when someone upgrades
16:51 rangi if they have nozebra on
16:52 rangi they get a big warning, this wont work, configure zebra
16:52 jcamins Newsflash! Legitimate use for <blink/> tag found!
16:52 magnuse hehe
16:52 jcamins :D
16:53 magnuse sounds like rangi is half way to a patch already ;-)
16:53 rangi so part one is done
16:53 rangi there is no mention of it when installing
16:53 rangi we did that for 3.4.0
16:53 rangi its just the upgrade, then code purge to do
16:53 rangi and nope, i wont be doing it
16:54 magnuse dang ;-)
16:55 jcamins I don't know how to do the upgrade bit, but I'd take a blowtorch to the code.
16:55 magnuse the manual needs an update too
16:55 magnuse http://manual.koha-community.org/3.8/en/nozebradefault.html
16:55 kf hm
16:55 kf we probably need a big warning then for updating libraires?
16:55 jcamins kf: right. That's the part I don't know how to do.
16:55 kf that they really have to configure zebra now
16:57 wizzyrea *Use the Packages! No really! Zebra config is so much easier! We swear!*
16:59 slef which means 1. they need to be on debian or ubuntu; and 2. they're not customising the code much.
16:59 rangi 1. is true
16:59 rangi 2. theres a script to build your own packages from git
17:00 wizzyrea i'm sure we would welcome packages for other distros
17:00 wizzyrea if someone wanted to make them.
17:00 magnuse http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Building_Debian_Packages_-_The_Easy_Way
17:00 magnuse even i can do it ;-)
17:00 slef sure... just pointing out why "Use the Packages" will have some staunch objectors
17:01 wizzyrea those objectors probably know how to configure zebra
17:01 wizzyrea and could do it in their sleep
17:01 maximep When I edit an item there's no way to edit the field 1- lost status ? Is that normal ?
17:01 wizzyrea yep
17:01 wizzyrea because you're not supposed to edit that there
17:01 maximep but you can on add ?
17:01 wizzyrea you're supposed to do it from the detail
17:01 wizzyrea yes
17:02 maximep hmmm maybe a text to explain that would be good hehe
17:02 maximep ah i think that's what bug 7089 is about
17:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7089 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , lost status on add item
17:02 wizzyrea yep, it's been a problem
17:02 wizzyrea the reason it is that way
17:03 wizzyrea is that marking lost from the 2 places behaved differently
17:03 wizzyrea the solution was to either hide or make unavailable from edit item the lost status
17:03 wizzyrea but that dev has been problematic
17:03 jcamins [off] Why am I getting spammed by PTFS?
17:03 oleonard [off] Oh, do tell
17:03 wizzyrea so we'll probably be changing the way it works
17:04 kf [off] now you made me curious...
17:04 jcamins [off] I'm happy that they have a band, but do they really have to send an announcement about that fact to my *personal* e-mail address?
17:04 maximep wizzyrea: thanks the the explaination!
17:04 magnuse maximep: see also bug 5533
17:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5533 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , marking item lost diff in two places
17:04 slef magnuse: I'm almost certainly going to regret asking this, but why not use gitpkg?
17:05 magnuse slef: i have no clue whatsoever - yu need to ask liw or eythian that i think
17:06 * liw recommends eythian :)
17:06 rangi slef: would mean wholescale restructuring of the git repo is the main bit
17:07 rangi also, now that can build language packs too
17:07 magnuse ah, or rangi... ;-)
17:07 rangi and liw yes i broke the obnam ppa
17:07 rangi then went on vacation
17:07 liw rangi, no worries :)
17:07 rangi rangi--
17:07 huginn rangi: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma.
17:07 rangi ill try to get it all fixed up
17:08 wizzyrea i can't bring myself to give rangi negative karma
17:08 wizzyrea I just can't
17:08 liw rangi, no worries :)
17:08 liw wizzyrea, the concept is mind bogglingly weird
17:08 wizzyrea it is isn't it?
17:09 magnuse hm, is there some documentation about setting up a koha server as a mail server or similar? i have a feeling i have followed one before, but can't find it now...
17:09 rangi yep
17:10 rangi i think it was on the mailing list
17:10 magnuse ah
17:13 * magnuse should keep better notes
17:13 liw magnuse, also, docs should be on the wiki ;)
17:14 magnuse yes please ;-)
17:15 magnuse "sudo apt-get install postfix" - that wasn't too hard...
17:16 rangi magnuse: yep, that would be my choice too, i quite like postfix
17:18 magnuse and no messing with spamhaus this time, either
17:18 rangi hi schuster
17:20 schuster wizzyrea here?
17:20 wizzyrea i am
17:21 schuster holds question :)
17:21 wizzyrea oh goodie!
17:21 schuster does the email librarian when hold placed now work?
17:21 wizzyrea I love those!
17:21 wizzyrea we don't use that, but I can test it
17:21 wizzyrea when did it not work?
17:21 schuster you know me 3.2!
17:22 jcamins Does anyone want credit for a lot of line deletions? Removing NoZebra will involve removing more than 2k lines.
17:22 wizzyrea (also, why would you not use the hold queue for similar functionality)
17:22 kf :)
17:22 schuster School librarians some are allowing their students to place holds so I want to explore if it works before giving them the option on or off.
17:22 kf time to leave
17:22 kf bye all :)
17:23 magnuse bye kf
17:23 wizzyrea bug 5297
17:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5297 minor, P5 - low, ---, nengard, NEW , emailLibrarianWhenHoldIsPlaced does nothing
17:23 wizzyrea looks like there is a patch for 3.2.x
17:23 schuster notification of things their kids are putting on hold maybe need to buy a second copy - force them to look at the que if they get a bunch o femails.
17:23 wizzyrea I think we killed a kitten.
17:24 wizzyrea or rather
17:24 wizzyrea the documentation needed to be updated on how to use it
17:24 jcamins The stopwords table is unnecessary now, isn't it?
17:25 rangi yup
17:25 wizzyrea do note removing that will require the tests to be changed
17:25 * magnuse wanders off to make dinner
17:25 schuster so it does work in your test system? I'm going through the system settings one by one to see the "new to me" features and revisiting the ones we set 3 years + ago.
17:25 wizzyrea idk, i haven't checked yet ^.^ but it looks like with proper configuration it should work
17:26 wizzyrea there aren't any bugs open that indicate otherwise
17:26 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5297] emailLibrarianWhenHoldIsPlaced does nothing <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5297>
17:26 wizzyrea that's my bad, you can ignore that
17:26 jcamins Question about this construct: [% IF ( stopwords_removed ) %]<div><p class="tip">Ignored the following comm
17:26 jcamins on words: "[% stopwords_removed %]"<p></div>[% END %] [% ELSE %]
17:26 jcamins Bleh.
17:26 jcamins Anyway, is the [% ELSE %] related to the stopwords_removed?
17:26 rangi nope
17:27 rangi the END is
17:27 schuster Another question - dealing with in processing and shelving cart. Anyone using that feature with 3.x?
17:27 jcamins That's what I thought, thanks.
17:27 schuster Is it working as described?
17:27 kf it's there but not using it
17:27 rangi if end , or if else end .. not if end else
17:27 rangi :)
17:27 wizzyrea the last time I tested that, it worked as described
17:27 kf so now really leaving :)
17:27 wizzyrea oh, kf is still here?
17:27 oleonard No :P
17:27 wizzyrea lol
17:29 rangi hi fredericd
17:29 fredericd hi
17:30 schuster ok thanks good to know...
17:31 paul_p time to leave for me. tomorrow will be a "patch pushed" day ! (i've 16 patches "passed QA" ...)
17:32 paul_p a short meeting to start my day, then pushing all the day -I hope !-
17:32 paul_p good day american ppl & good night for europe, good early morning for aussies/kiwis !
17:32 rangi and we are up to 67 needs signoff
17:32 rangi it was 50 when i went on holiday!
17:33 paul_p yep, and it includes a few large ones !
17:33 rangi theres a bunch of @catalyst plus some of my own that I obviously cant sign off
17:33 paul_p breaking news = i think i'll put my sandbox system on a 1st sandbox soon...
17:33 wizzyrea nice!
17:33 rangi we need people signing off on others more
17:33 rangi not sure how to get them to do it though
17:35 rhcl ping bag
17:35 paul_p I hope my sandbox system will help. You'll be able to get a working Koha in a few minuts, with a sample database, the patch you want having being applied. Thus just entering the bugnumber, your email address & the sample database you want, that's all.
17:36 paul_p librarians won't have any excuse not to signoff ;-)
17:36 paul_p this time, I really leave !
17:36 rangi yep that would be good
17:36 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6838] Filtering and pagination in subscriptions table <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6838>
17:36 * jcamins heads to a client's.
17:36 rangi i think its also developers signing off on other developers (outside their organisation) that we need to get going too, lots of things need people to look at the actual code too
17:37 rhcl I wanna take a tour:
17:37 rhcl "visit the headquarters for a stunning tour that included the �hands-down-most-awesome server room ever� and the most efficient book scanning workflow I�ve ever seen."
17:37 rhcl http://librarianinblack.net/librarianinblack/2011/07/open-library-offers-libraries-a-third-choice-for-ebooks.html
17:37 rhcl by chance have you ever been rangi?
17:38 rangi nope not me
17:38 rangi openlibrary is cool
17:38 rhcl we're thinking about participating
17:38 rangi george has left there now tho, and she was my contact
17:38 wizzyrea aw bummer.
17:38 rangi rhcl: there are a bunch of enh requests in progress for koha + openlibrary
17:50 cait back :)
17:50 cait so now where is this dinner you were talking about?
17:51 * wizzyrea looks up takeaway places in Konstanz
17:51 gmcharlt magnus_afk: as it turns out, my optimism was justified
17:52 magnus_afk gmcharlt: cool!
17:52 wizzyrea cait, if you have a min
17:52 cait sure
17:52 gmcharlt it was somebody who is planning to take Koha into an area with poor Internet service; just miscalulated when downloading what he needed for the trip
17:52 wizzyrea 7001 - see srdjan's last comment
17:53 cait the dosplay thing?
17:53 wizzyrea sorry, i'm confusing myself... he doesn't talk about it... what do you think of "I didn't realize that you could specify a code for overdue
17:53 wizzyrea notices. That helps. A drop down still appeals to me - but it would have to
17:53 wizzyrea include "Other" that lets you set the code name manually. "
17:54 wizzyrea something worth pursuing?
17:54 cait ah
17:54 cait hm
17:54 wizzyrea bc I still think it's confusing that you have to know the code
17:54 cait I am not sure how a good display would look like here
17:54 wizzyrea and which module it goes in
17:55 magnus_afk gmcharlt: very cool!
17:55 cait perhaps we need to have a list of modules... combined with the hardcoded codes
17:55 cait overdues go in circulation - we have some hardcoded and some free codes there
17:55 wizzyrea well that's a documenation thingie
17:55 wizzyrea a list would certainly help
17:55 cait I think we should certainly have documentation for it
17:55 wizzyrea but you're still leaving it up to the human
17:55 wizzyrea and humans get things wrong a lot
17:55 cait not sure about how to make it work for the gui
17:56 cait I think a list with an option would work
17:56 cait lke the one in suggestions?
17:56 wizzyrea oo yea
17:56 wizzyrea good call
17:56 wizzyrea yea, choose a reason "others..."
17:56 wizzyrea just like that, actually
17:57 wizzyrea but you'd need 2 fields, the module dropdown and the code
17:57 wizzyrea but other than that, yea
17:57 * wizzyrea will make a screencast
17:57 cait wizzyrea: yes, and the module should determine the list you see...
17:57 wizzyrea right
18:03 rhcl Was sekjal's last comment "Agreed. Let's add the new option to new installs, and provide documentation on how to add it into existing installs." on 15 Dec a final solution to bug 7153?
18:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7153 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, savitra.sirohi, ASSIGNED , Show Open Library as Search Target in "More Searches" in OPAC detail page
18:04 nengard i think we need a patch still ?
18:05 cait rhcl: I think it is a final solution but needs a new patch without update?
18:05 cait perhaps.
18:05 * cait should be making dinner
18:06 rhcl 'k
18:06 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6681] When importing a biblio record via Z39.50, authority links also get imported <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6681>
18:06 * oleonard should be eating lunch
18:28 rangi @wunder nzwn
18:28 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 16.0�C (7:00 AM NZDT on January 13, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.24 in 990 hPa (Steady).
18:29 rangi http://www.metservice.com/national/warnings/severe-weather-warnings
18:30 wizzyrea @wunder 66047
18:31 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is -7.1�C (12:30 PM CST on January 12, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: -13.0�C. Windchill: -11.0�C. Pressure: 30.03 in 1016.8 hPa (Steady).
18:32 cait wizzyrea: I have a questoin for you too :)
18:33 cait do you have an idea what goes into the alerts table?
18:33 wizzyrea no clue - we don't have any in our db
18:38 cait perhaps it's dead
18:39 * jcamins_away waves from Manhattan.
18:39 jcamins_away NYC, not Kansas.
18:40 wizzyrea I would have had to get angry with you if you came to manhattan and didn't visit lawrence too.
18:40 wizzyrea it's only a 2h drive :P
18:41 cait you know
18:41 cait a 2 hour drive in germany is quite long
18:41 wizzyrea i know - scale here is so weird compared to many places in the world.
18:41 cait :)
18:42 wizzyrea and people wonder why we don't have better public transit - things are effin far apart!
18:42 cait heh
18:42 rangi hmm
18:44 rangi http://serials.infomotions.com/code4lib/archive/2012/201201/0099.html
18:57 wizzyrea the link in the reply is interesting.
18:57 wizzyrea but oldish
18:58 rangi yup
19:05 rangi hmm how did that spam get through
19:06 rangi still first one in ages
19:06 rangi im not sure what scott kushner is doing, but whatever it is, its not right
19:07 rangi koha doesnt even use an .htaccess file
19:07 wizzyrea i know :/ I wasn't able to figure out what he was doing
19:08 oleonard rangi: spam?
19:09 rangi i thought i saw some on the koha list
19:09 rangi but it might have just been to me
19:09 oleonard No, you're right, I see it too.
19:10 gmcharlt bah, that just ruins the joke I was going to make that if anybody was going to get individually targetted spam that includes the word "koha", it would be rangi
19:11 rangi heh
19:13 rangi remind me to introduce trea to screen
19:13 rangi or bip
19:14 wizzyrea he's got atrocious internet
19:16 rangi i can tell :)
19:17 schuster rangi - didn't mean to ignore you earlier just didn't see it until I read back!
19:17 schuster Glad you had a good time away and actually stayed away from the computer!
19:19 rangi :)
19:20 jenn[ak] bored? Come watch me on webcam @ http://bit.ly/zYE0pZ
19:20 jcamins_away wizzyrea: so do I at the moment, but thanks to the wonders of screen, I don't lose all my scrollback. :P
19:20 * gmcharlt has installed Koha many times, not sure I find watching a Koha installation video all that compelling anymore ;)
19:20 wizzyrea :)
19:21 wizzyrea we should start peppering that bot with questions about apache virtual hosts
19:29 cait @wunder Konstanz
19:29 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 0.7�C (8:24 PM CET on January 12, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: -0.0�C. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: 30.40 in 1029.3 hPa (Rising).
19:29 schuster brrr...
19:29 schuster @wunder 75075
19:29 huginn schuster: The current temperature in Independence and 15th. St., Plano, Texas is 2.6�C (1:29 PM CST on January 12, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 31%. Dew Point: -13.0�C. Windchill: -1.0�C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1023.9 hPa (Steady).
19:29 jcamins_away @wunder 11375
19:29 huginn jcamins_away: The current temperature in Middle Village, Queens, New York is 6.5�C (2:25 PM EST on January 12, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Windchill: 4.0�C. Pressure: 29.45 in 997.2 hPa (Steady). Coastal Flood Warning in effect until 3 PM EST this afternoon...
19:30 jcamins_away Weird weather.
19:30 schuster Ah man we could use the rain here...
19:30 rangi http://www.flickr.com/photos/ranginui/6685798419/in/photostream/ <--kahu in his WWI trench
19:30 schuster Saw on the news 2 nights ago a lake and the lady was standing on the lake bed by the pole that should have marked the channel the boats stayed in to be clear...
19:31 rhcl schuster: When I lived in San Antonio the level of the aquifer was a routine part of the daily weather forcast
19:32 schuster rangi - I suspect several of those pictures one of the boys borrowed the camera on... They look like many I have seen on my camera!
19:33 collum @wunder 41017
19:33 huginn collum: The current temperature in Van Aachen, Erlanger, Kentucky is 2.3�C (2:32 PM EST on January 12, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Windchill: -3.0�C. Pressure: 29.42 in 996.2 hPa (Rising). Winter Weather Advisory in effect until noon EST Friday...
19:35 rangi oh there is a set from kahus camera
19:35 rangi he got for christmas
19:36 jcamins_away rangi: I like the one of Atarau in the red jacket.
19:36 rangi really really cheap digital (60$)
19:36 schuster We are about to go into what they call level 4 water restrictions - We are not far from limited amount of time in the show I suspect...
19:36 rangi jcamins_away: the army museum has a kids section, where they can get dressed up
19:36 schuster kahus++
19:36 rangi and morse code station
19:36 schuster oh cool!
19:36 rangi and a trench system
19:36 rangi its pretty cool
19:37 rangi http://www.flickr.com/photos/ranginui/sets/72157628578802769/
19:37 schuster Last summer in New Orleans Jared loved the WWII Museum
19:37 * jcamins_away blinks.
19:38 rangi hehe, his jared :)
19:38 jcamins_away schuster: that's very confusing... I just spent several seconds trying to remember when I had a chance to visit the WWII museum. ;)
19:38 rangi http://www.armymuseum.co.nz/ <-- we stopped here on the way up
19:38 wizzyrea hehe looks fun
19:39 rangi kahu can push 26.3 kg of pressure on the scrum machine
19:39 rangi (they had that and a virtual kicking game and stuff too, as part of the khaki and black exhibition)
19:39 rangi a fun museum
19:40 jcamins_away rangi: if you are ever in the New York area, you should take them to the Liberty Science Center, or Science Museum, or whatever it's called.
19:40 jcamins_away I *loved* that museum growing up.
19:41 rangi theyve been to the science museum in pittsburgh
19:41 rangi loved that
19:41 jcamins_away We went about once every two years and, I kid you not, I spent the entire two years in between thinking about when our next trip would be.
19:41 * jcamins_away has talked himself into a visit to the science museum.
19:42 collum When I did 'wunder' there was light rain outside. Now it's snowing like crazy. huginn is a genius
19:42 schuster sorry jcamins - my 5th grade son!
19:43 jcamins_away schuster: yeah, I figured it out eventually.
19:43 rangi i like all those science museum things :)
19:43 jcamins_away They had this great display on static electricity...
20:06 rangi jcamins_away: http://photos.bigballofwax.co.nz/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=72804
20:07 rangi http://photos.bigballofwax.co.nz/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=72711
20:08 jcamins_away Yes! It's a dinosaur sneaker!
20:08 rangi course its not all cuteness and smiling
20:08 rangi http://photos.bigballofwax.co.nz/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=72912
20:15 jcamins_away cait: what was for dinner?
20:15 * jcamins_away is trying to decide what he'll be having.
20:15 cait bread with butter
20:15 cait heh
20:15 jcamins_away cait: that's it?
20:15 cait it was fresh bread
20:16 cait hm and gherkins
20:16 jcamins_away Fresh bread _is_ nice.
20:18 * cait nods
20:19 rangi and cheese?
20:20 wizzyrea except for the gherkins that would have been very french
20:20 jcamins_away rangi: cheese is delicious, but cait just had butter.
20:20 cait no cheese in the fridge
20:20 cait so no cheese
20:27 oleonard wahanui: Cheese is delicious
20:27 wahanui ...but cheese is delicious, but cait just had butter....
20:31 rangi ibeardslee: im picking you are busy, looks like the academy is going well though
20:33 ibeardslee chugging along
20:34 ibeardslee looks like Kiritaki Koha is going to be the focus of the Android projects
20:35 rangi sweet
20:35 ibeardslee grantp has a few things to work on
20:35 rangi excellent, hes a good man
20:35 ibeardslee currently writing up the 'sell the projects' slides
20:35 rangi ahhh oleonard had a good quote for koha
20:35 rangi lemme find it
20:36 ibeardslee still got to catch up with russ about the how not to be a dick
20:36 ibeardslee session for Monday morning
20:36 rangi ah yep
20:37 ibeardslee so much to do before I head off to LCA
20:37 rangi Koha presents all the same challenges that any web-based software might, with the added complexity of rule #123
20:37 rangi where 123 is
20:37 wahanui i think 123 is the authid. $9 is the subfield marker.
20:37 rangi @quote get 123
20:37 huginn rangi: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
20:38 cait heh
20:38 jcamins_away Wahanui has illustrated oleonard's point perfectly.
20:38 wahanui jcamins_away: what?
20:39 rangi ill be there on monday morning, if russ needs a hand or anything get him to drop me an email
20:42 ibeardslee righto
20:58 rhcl cool http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_9bspQKp_Q&feature=endscreen&NR=1
21:07 rangi http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/HTML_Report/? C4::Boolean is currently my favourite, 100% across the board
21:11 * liw applauds rising test coverage percentages
21:11 oleonard Ciao #koha
21:12 ibeardslee rangi: what was the max you wanted for the Koha project?
21:13 jcamins_away Okay, I've finished this author. Time to call it a night.
21:13 rangi hmm, gonna be 2 of us for the first 2 days, so we could handle up around 6 i think
21:13 jcamins_away Good night, #koha.
21:13 rangi dont want to leave chrisdothall to deal with many more than that for the last 3 days
21:45 ibeardslee rangi: and how many unit tests were completed last year
21:45 rangi 7 all up
21:46 rangi well 7 modules had more tests for them written
21:46 rangi more than 7 tests
21:48 rangi all four students now have their names on the about page in koha
21:48 wizzyrea bug 7001 - does that last comment make sense?
21:48 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7001 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , User Configurable Slips
21:49 wizzyrea and does anyone else have an opinion about that?
21:50 cait set branch sounds logical to me
21:52 wizzyrea holds use the set library, iirc
21:52 wizzyrea for transit and whatnot
21:56 cait night :)
22:57 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5668] Star ratings in the opac <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5668>
22:57 gmcharlt @time
22:57 huginn gmcharlt: I've exhausted my database of quotes
22:57 gmcharlt @date
22:57 huginn gmcharlt: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
23:06 nengard HA!