Time Nick Message 01:51 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5786] Move AllowOnShelfHolds system preference to the Circulation Matrix <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5786> 02:56 Brooke o/ 03:56 AmitG heya bag :D 04:28 bag heya AmitG 04:45 cait @wunder Konstanz 04:45 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 5.9�C (5:40 AM CET on January 05, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: -0.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010.0 hPa (Falling). 04:45 bag @wunder 93109 04:45 huginn bag: The current temperature in K6LCM-Westside/Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 11.5�C (8:45 PM PST on January 04, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.16 in 1021.2 hPa (Rising). 04:45 bag @wunder current location 04:45 huginn bag: Error: No such location could be found. 04:45 bag bummer 04:46 cait lol 04:46 rangi @wunder nzwn 04:46 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 18.0�C (5:00 PM NZDT on January 05, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). 04:48 rangi my stop bbiab 04:55 bag hi there kmkale 04:55 bag :) 04:57 bag hey cait - what's happening 04:57 bag I think I catch you as cait more often than I talk with you as kf 04:57 cait hm might be true 04:57 cait but why is it worrying you? :) 05:33 AmitG heya cait and kmkale 07:30 rangi http://search.cpan.org/~scott/Template-Plugin-XSLT-1.2/XSLT.pm 07:38 cait @wunder Konstanz 07:38 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 4.7�C (8:34 AM CET on January 05, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Windchill: 2.0�C. Pressure: 29.76 in 1007.7 hPa (Falling). 07:43 cait bbiab 07:52 reiveune hello 07:54 paul_p hello world 07:58 julian_m hello 08:01 mle morning 08:01 matts hi ! 08:01 mle : ) 08:03 francharb hello 08:12 asaurat hi 08:19 kf back 08:22 sophie_m hello #koha 08:24 mbalmer howdy! 08:27 rangi http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c1f2fe6fc593ec75b590fad3daf8889111d4db62 08:29 kmkale Namaskaar #koha 08:30 kmkale @quote random 08:30 huginn kmkale: Quote #89: "<owen> We defy stereotypes: We're not afraid of commitment!" (added by jwagner at 04:32 PM, August 19, 2010) 08:32 kf hi kmkale :) 08:34 kmkale Namaste kf :) 08:56 mib_45i41s Would anyone know why all email overdue notices might show "failed" for all users since upgrading to 3.6.0? Local/remote mail system is fine. 10:50 mib_45i41s Would anyone know why all email overdue notices might show "failed" for all users since upgrading to 3.6.0? Local/remote mail system is fine. 11:08 kf check your setting for autoemailsomething 11:08 kf it's probably set to the wrong value and finding now emailaddress 11:12 mib_45i41s kf: "autoemailsomething" ? is that a syspref? 11:13 kf yes 11:13 kf sorry 11:13 kf will look the name up 11:13 kf it's the first thing I would check 11:14 kf AutoEmailPrimaryAddress 11:14 kf it's not only used for newly created patrons, the display and description are wrong here 11:14 kf it's used for mails in general 11:14 mib_45i41s OK. Would that change from 3.4 to 3.6? in the upgrade? 11:14 kf I woule check it 11:14 kf would check it 11:15 kf it can be another problem that keeps your mails from not sending out 11:15 kf but that the program can not find a valid email address could be one 11:16 kf there can also be another reason for your problem - but it's the only idea I can provide 11:17 mib_45i41s kf: what should that syspref be set to? 11:17 kf where do you store the email address? 11:17 kf and the overdues are the only maisl not being sent out? 11:18 mib_45i41s email address will be in the borrower record? 11:18 mib_45i41s as far as I know the email overdues are the only thing not sending. The local mail system can send external mail fine 11:18 * paul_p head for lunch. See you later ! 11:20 kf mib_45i41s: other mails like item due reminders 11:20 kf mib_45i41s: what is your setting for the syspref? and yes, email addresses are stored in the patron records - but there are different fields 11:21 kf mib_45i41s: perhaps try setting the syspref to 'first valid' 11:21 mib_45i41s OK, thanks. I will try. 11:21 kf perhaps it helps 11:24 mib_45i41s kf: The description of that syspref says it is related to "emailing newly created patrons".....could that effect overdues? 11:25 kf it does 11:25 kf the description is wrong 11:25 kf we fixed that 11:25 kf but will be in a later version 11:25 mib_45i41s Ah - cool. thanks......I will try it out 11:25 kf it started being used for that and is now being used for pretty much all notices 11:25 kf so if it was set to alternate and you have your email addresses in the first email field - it wouldn't work 11:32 mib_45i41s kf: sorry, one last question. Should I chang it to "Send" or "Don't Send" to "First Valid"? 11:32 mib_45i41s I know that sounds like a silly question! 11:54 kf no it doesn't 11:54 kf mib_45i41s: sorry, got distracted 11:55 kf mib_45i41s: the 2 prefs are independent - if you want to send out notices for newly created accounts - then set it to 'Send' - or leave it off 12:06 AmitG heya kf :D 12:19 kf hi AmitG 12:53 druthb o/ 12:59 * druthb wonders when other #koha-ites will jump on http://ask.slashdot.org/story/12/01/05/0415249/ask-slashdot-tech-for-small-library-automation 13:00 druthb g'morning, jcamins 13:00 jcamins I don't have a Slashdot account. 13:01 jcamins Good morning. 13:03 nengard jcamins me either 13:03 nengard but i was able to comment 13:03 nengard i updated the url 13:04 nengard kf thanks for updating my authority!!! 13:04 nengard I guess the only thing that's not right is that I'm not a linguist :) 13:05 jcamins Cool! The new VirtualBox includes the option to clone VMs! 13:06 kf nengard: we checked that 13:06 kf nengard: it's because that is linked to literary studies 13:06 kf so.. formally it's right 13:06 nengard oh! got it 13:07 kf it's your fault I learned something about authorities today :) 13:08 jcamins What's going on with authorities? :) 13:10 jcamins Apparently cloning VMs is really slow. 13:12 nengard jcamins LOC won't update my authority 13:12 jcamins nengard: and kf managed to update it? 13:13 jcamins How on earth did she do that? 13:13 jcamins LC doesn't update authorities. 13:13 kf jcamins: nope, only updated the pnd record :) 13:13 kf http://pollux.bsz-bw.de/DB=2.1/PPNSET?PPN=30945400X&INDEXSET=1 13:13 kf or my coworker did after I asked her nicely :) 13:14 jcamins Ah. 13:15 jcamins nengard: the only way you're going to get your record updated is if you change your name, or get a NACO library to catalog something that you wrote under a different name. 13:17 kf NACO? 13:17 * oleonard is still boggling at the fact that nengard can't get her authority record updated 13:17 jcamins Name Authority Cooperative O-something. 13:18 oleonard Ocelot 13:18 nengard I don't want my name changed 13:18 nengard I want the details on my record changed 13:18 jcamins nengard: right, the only thing you can do is change your name. 13:18 kf lol 13:18 kf are you suggesting she should ge a divorce? 13:18 nengard and i don't mind the LOC won't do that - i know it's a lot of work - but they should provide a tool for other catalogers to do it and make it official 13:19 jcamins I'm not even sure if they'll change the details then. 13:19 kf hm 13:19 kf or a pseudonym 13:19 kf artist's name 13:19 kf ... 13:19 jcamins Yeah, pseudonym would work too. 13:19 * jcamins would probably go with the pseudonym option. 13:19 kf oh 13:19 kf hmm 13:19 jcamins Less expensive. Legally changing your name costs money, and nengard would have to do it twice. 13:20 nengard that's insane, i have built brand recognition with my name, i'm not gonna change it cause LOC has stupid rules 13:21 nengard libraries are just so damn set in their ways 13:21 nengard what makes an LOC catalogers more skilled than me? 13:21 nengard why can't i update my own authority record 13:21 * druthb knows one NACO librarian, and he's crazy as a pet raccoon. 13:22 jcamins You could see if you can find a sympathetic NACO coordinator, though I don't think I've heard of them doing that sort of update either. 13:23 jcamins nengard: you could collaborate with bengard on a library-themed tabletop RPG, and use a pseudonym. 13:23 nengard heh 13:24 kf lol 13:24 kf I think she should just keep bombing them with mails 13:24 kf ... 13:25 nengard okay - on another note - ideas on how to get a report of bib records that have had their last item deleted 13:25 jcamins Nah, I'm voting for using a pseudonym. 13:25 nengard not gonna happen 13:25 jcamins Use it for something only tangentially related. 13:25 oleonard I thought that one was in the SQL library... bibs without items? 13:26 jcamins Either that or find something that you wrote before you changed your name to Engard. 13:29 nengard oleonard, we don't want a bib with no items 13:29 nengard cause you can add a bib with no items 13:30 nengard we want a bib with deleted items 13:30 nengard that has no items attached 13:30 jcamins deleted_items? 13:30 oleonard bibs with no items where biblionumber in deleted_items? 13:30 kf ok 13:30 kf than do that report 13:30 kf for iwth no items 13:30 kf and add a clause 13:30 kf ... ok 13:30 kf what oleonard said :) 13:30 kf should read all first 13:42 pastebot "nengard" at 98.114.30.184 pasted "report of bibs where last item deleted" (5 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/186 13:42 nengard i thnk this will do the trick 13:43 nengard wait 13:43 nengard that should be IN not NOT IN 13:43 nengard kf oleonard does that look right 13:45 oleonard Looks to me like it's working correctly 13:46 nengard if you change NOT IN to IN ? right? 13:46 nengard brain not woking yet :) 13:46 oleonard Yes, that's what I tried. 13:49 nengard k 13:49 nengard thanks! 13:51 oleonard I really wish reports output would automatically link bib numbers (and borrowernumber, and itemnumber, etc) 13:53 jcamins oleonard: that could be a useful feature. 13:55 oleonard nengard++ # for very useful report 13:56 oleonard Now we need a report to show who deleted that last item and forgot to delete the record ;) 13:58 oleonard Oh, you know what we need? A way to build a report and then be able to grant permission for that report to those without reports permission 13:59 oleonard So build a circ-related report and then say, "Offer a link to this report to staff with circ permission" 13:59 oleonard and then it shows up on circ-home 13:59 nengard agreed 14:00 nengard the action_logs table tracks who did what when - but it doesn't store the query anymore 14:00 nengard makes it less useful in my opinion 14:02 oleonard whatever I was supposed to be doing this morning, now I'm deleting records with no items... 14:03 oleonard I'll bet we've got a lot that won't show up because deleteditems was broken for a while wasn't it? 14:04 * oleonard is too loose with his Ctrl-W's 14:18 nengard has anyone ever tested and confirmed the warning on the cataloguinglog preference? it says that its slows things down cause it tracks everytime the barcode is scanned - is that right? is the warning valid? 14:19 jcamins nengard: it is not correct. 14:19 jcamins nengard: at least, so far as I know. 14:19 nengard that's what i thought!!! 14:19 nengard and thank you jcamins 14:20 nengard i've asked this at least once a year for the lat 4 years! 14:20 nengard last 14:22 nengard bug 7403 submitted 14:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7403 normal, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , CataloguingLog warning incorrect 14:22 nengard someone can correct it if we're wrong - otherwise i can update the preference text easily enough 14:23 jcamins Fastest way to remove all auths and bibs? TRUNCATE biblio; TRUNCATE items; TRUNCATE auth_header; ? 14:26 jcamins In other news, updating from 3.2.2 to master takes a long time. 14:29 sekjal nengard: I believe it's been incorrect since 3.4 was released, and items were removed from the biblio. 14:29 tcohen jcamins: AddIssue calls ModItem which happens to do some logging 14:30 jcamins nengard: I stand corrected. 14:30 nengard so it is incorrect now 14:30 nengard but wasn't before 14:31 jcamins tcohen: does it actually log anything? 3.6, it seems to me, is not logging issues in the cataloguing log. 14:31 jwagner jcamins, you forgot biblioitems from your truncate list. Also need to check for any issues or reserves. 14:32 tcohen jcamins, i might be wrong, but I just checked that AddIssue calls ModItem 14:32 tcohen which happens to have : 14:32 tcohen logaction("CATALOGUING", "MODIFY", $itemnumber, Dumper($item)) if C4::Context->preference("CataloguingLog"); 14:32 tcohen inside 14:33 tcohen i think it is not a problem any more, thou 14:33 tcohen because we don't do a ModBiblio, which was reallly expensive 14:33 jcamins jwagner: thanks. 14:33 jcamins nengard: the warning may still be correct, then. 14:33 jcamins nengard: I've never noticed any particular performance issues, though. 14:33 tcohen (because we log the whole marc there) 14:39 nengard yes, i just tested and when i checked an item out it added two lines to the cataloging log 14:39 nengard but does it actually slow things down? 14:40 sekjal nengard: I don't think it's so much an issue of slowing down transactions, as storing TONS of data 14:40 sekjal so accessing the log table becomes slow 14:41 sekjal but I don't believe it would affect circ transactions or normal response time 14:41 nengard libraries might be okay with that - whereas they won't be okay with things slowing down checkouts and such 14:41 tcohen nengard, prior to removing items from marc/marcxml every time an item was borrowed 14:41 tcohen the biblio itself was modified 14:41 tcohen (the marc/marcxml stuff) 14:41 tcohen and the change was then logged 14:41 nengard it's nice to see that i just had to report a bug to get an answer to my question - like i said i've been asking about this for the manual for 4 years now 14:42 tcohen that was an expensive task, as the marc itself is saved in the log 15:04 vfernandes hi koha community :) 15:06 * mle waves 15:07 vfernandes i'm having a little problem that someone can help me... i'm using koha 3.2.6 with UNIMARC. my problem is that searching for standard number isn't working 15:14 kf hi mle and vfernandes 15:34 libsysguy o/ 15:35 libsysguy kf you around? 15:35 kf kind of 15:36 libsysguy if you have time...the error that we were talking about the other day...with the unexpected end of input...I was wondering why you thought it would only occur on patrons with holds 15:51 libsysguy kf I think it was just a merge error...i just deleted that file and copy/pasta from master and it works 16:00 kf libsysguy: cool you were able to solve it 16:00 kf I thought it might be related to holds, because the error pointed to a line where holds were dealt with for display 16:20 Oak kf, time to go home no? 16:24 kf thre was heavy rain 16:24 kf but think it's getting better :) 16:24 Oak need umbrella? 16:24 Oak i don't have it 16:25 Oak but i know someone who does. 16:25 * jwagner hands kf an umbrella and raincoat 16:25 * Oak hands kf a hot cup of coffee 16:25 Oak i win 16:26 kf heh 16:27 kf umbrella would be a bad plan - too much wind 16:28 Oak hmm 16:28 Oak do you have a rain coat with you? 16:28 kf yep 16:28 Oak good 16:30 Oak did you bring your laptop to work? 16:30 Oak @later tell Brooke thank you thank you! :-) 16:30 huginn Oak: The operation succeeded. 16:32 * Oak goes to interview people in the street 16:50 reiveune bye 17:03 magnus_afk Oak 17:03 magnus_afk kia ora #koha 17:04 Oak magnus 17:04 Oak :) 17:04 magnus_afk yay! 17:08 Oak time to sleep... later \o 17:14 rangi morning 17:15 rangi @wunder nzwn 17:15 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 16.0�C (6:00 AM NZDT on January 06, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). 17:16 kf @wunder Konstanz 17:16 huginn kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 2.0�C (6:00 PM CET on January 05, 2012). Conditions: Light Thunderstorm. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Pressure: 29.60 in 1002 hPa (Rising). 17:16 kf light thunderstorm... interesting 17:16 magnus_afk hiya rangi and kf 17:16 kf hi magnus_afk :) 17:16 magnuse @wunder boo 17:16 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -5.0�C (5:50 PM CET on January 05, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: -10.0�C. Windchill: -10.0�C. Pressure: 29.06 in 984 hPa (Rising). 17:20 oleonard @wunder 45701 17:20 huginn oleonard: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is 3.0�C (12:20 PM EST on January 05, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: -3.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1012.8 hPa (Falling). 17:20 jcamins @wunder 11375 17:20 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Jackson Heights NY US, Corona, New York is 2.2�C (11:48 AM EST on January 05, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: -7.0�C. Windchill: -1.0�C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1011.7 hPa. 17:21 oleonard @wunder My office 17:21 huginn oleonard: Error: No such location could be found. 17:21 * oleonard shivers 17:29 rangi ok 17:30 rangi how would you describe the koha project in one short sentence ... (it's to make the academy kids want to work on koha for their project week) 17:31 oleonard "Easy--just a big database!" 17:31 rangi lol 17:31 magnuse just a database, with crazy rules 17:32 rangi i thought 123 might work 17:32 rangi @quote get 123 17:32 huginn rangi: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) 17:32 kf that's good too :) 17:34 magnuse yeah 123++ 17:36 oleonard I'm not good at pithy one-liners, but Koha is a great project to work on because it encompasses so many different potential interests: application design, user interface design, data processing, reports 17:37 oleonard Koha presents all the same challenges that any web-based software might, with the added complexity of rule #123 17:38 rangi oh 17:38 rangi that is actually pretty good! 18:07 seneca Puzzle: I upgraded from Debian lenny to squeeze yesterday, so that I could avoid the lenny EOL next month and install the liblocale package with the Currency info. 18:07 seneca Needed that package so that I could run the koha overdue notices script 18:08 seneca Today, after I've installed the liblocale package, I'm getting another error when running the overdue notice script: 18:08 seneca "unable to locate Koha configuration file koha-conf.xml" 18:08 kf did you export the koha variables? 18:08 seneca though the ENV variable is set correctly (I think) 18:09 kf both? 18:09 wahanui both is best 18:09 magnuse wahanui: forget both 18:09 wahanui magnuse: I forgot both 18:09 seneca yeah, both 18:10 kf hm 18:10 edveal Question for the jquery folks gurus out there. How can I hide a column within the Holds Que report? If it is even possible. 18:11 kf it's possible but not sure there is a snippet for that already 18:11 magnuse seneca: do "echo $KOHA_CONF" and check that what you get matches the location of the file 18:11 kf and have to leave - bbiab 18:12 sekjal edveal: yes, it can be done. the holdqueue report has classes for each column 18:12 sekjal so just hide the class, and you're good 18:12 edveal Great 18:13 seneca magnuse, yes, KOHA_CONF and PERL5LIB are both set 18:13 seneca perms are 644 18:13 seneca same as they have been... 18:14 magnuse seneca: and you are definitely sure the file is where KOHA_CONF says it should be? 18:15 seneca yeah 18:15 seneca that's how I just figured out the perms 18:15 magnuse hehe, should have seen that coming ;-) 18:15 seneca hehe 18:15 seneca Though... 18:16 magnuse not sure what could cause the error then... 18:16 seneca here's the full error message: 18:16 seneca unable to locate Koha configuration file koha-conf.xml at /etc/perl/C4/Context.pm line 312. 18:17 seneca Is there a problem that the error is coming from the system Context.pm and not the Koha version (in kohaclone)? 18:18 magnuse might be, but that's beyond me, i fear - maybe rangi or sekjal would know... 18:18 seneca Is squeeze still on Perl 5? 18:19 seneca maybe that ENV needs to be changed... 18:19 seneca hmm, thanks :) 18:20 sekjal seneca: sounds like you need do your "export KOHA_CONF=/home/koha/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml" command 18:20 sekjal note that my path is for a git install using the default directories 18:20 sekjal replace with what works for you 18:21 sekjal ... 18:21 sekjal reading further 18:21 seneca heh 18:21 sekjal seeing C4/Context.pm in etc/perl is... extremely weird 18:22 sekjal what kind of install did you do? 18:22 seneca of what, koha? It started life as a pre-made VM 18:22 seneca but Koha has been updated via git 18:22 seneca I downloaded the debian with koha VM a couple of years ago, and it worked for us, so we kept it. 18:23 seneca I just upgraded to squeeze (apt-get dist-upgrade) yesterday, though 18:24 seneca Is C4/context.pm supposed to be the on in kohaclone? 18:24 seneca on=one 18:24 sekjal seneca: that's usually where I put 18:24 sekjal I do git installs 18:24 seneca there is one in there 18:24 sekjal it sounds like this VM may have some very strange cumulative history that you'll have to dig through 18:24 seneca as there has been... but the error seems to be coming from the /etc version 18:25 seneca How does Koha usually do it's Perl install? Does it have its own version? 18:25 sekjal not knowing how bad it'd be to clean up, I'm almost inclined to recommend that you start from a fresh Debian Squeeze install 18:25 seneca In other words, why does it have its own C4 dir? 18:26 sekjal seneca: that's where the code library is (all the subroutines) 18:26 sekjal all the stuff that is distinctly "Koha" and not an external dependency 18:26 seneca But koha does use the same Perl installation as the system, right? 18:26 sekjal yes 18:26 sekjal minimum Perl 5.10 18:27 seneca OK... is there any update I need to do to Koha to make it play nice with the current Perl in Squeeze? 18:27 seneca not sure I'm thinking about this correctly... 18:27 sekjal I think starting over fresh with a stock Debian Squeeze VM is the way to go 18:27 sekjal then download Koha, and run through the installation 18:28 sekjal this VM you're currently using sounds... complicated 18:28 sekjal needlessly so 18:28 seneca Then transfer the configs and the mysql db? 18:28 sekjal yes 18:28 seneca What's sounding complicated to you? I guess that's what I'm not understanding. 18:31 sekjal I've never seen the path /etc/perl/C4/Context.pm 18:31 sekjal and the history you're describing, having downloaded it some years ago, then upgraded the OS 18:31 rangi eeww code in /etc 18:31 sekjal sounds prone to introducing subtle issues 18:32 seneca oh... So C4 in /etc is not standard? 18:32 sekjal it might not be as bad as I think... I'm only hearing what you're describing, and my Linux skills are < 1337, but doing a new install seems easier to me 18:33 rangi seneca no 18:33 rangi I've never in hmm 12 years of koha seen anyone put perl modules in /etc 18:33 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7097] HidePatronName not hiding in all places <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7097> 18:35 tcohen seneca: post the output of set | grep PERL5 18:35 seneca PERL5LIB=/home/koha/kohaclone 18:35 tcohen exactly 18:35 seneca ? 18:35 tcohen you've messed up with your paths 18:36 seneca oh? 18:36 seneca I believe that path has been set since we started using this VM and Koha install... what should it be? 18:36 tcohen PERL5LIB=/home/koha/kohaclone means 18:37 tcohen the folder C4 should be found there 18:37 seneca and it is 18:37 tcohen yes, BUT you have some scripts 18:37 tcohen that are using the wrong PATH 18:37 seneca There is also, apparently from this error message, a C4 in /etc/perl... 18:38 seneca Hmm... 18:38 seneca Some perl system scripts or som koha scripts? 18:38 seneca some 18:38 tcohen from that error I read that some script is searching fr C4/Context.pm there 18:38 tcohen which is wrong 18:39 seneca Makes sense... 18:39 tcohen what was the command you're running? 18:39 seneca the overdue script in kohaclone/misc/cronjobs 18:40 tcohen r u running it from command line? 18:40 seneca yeah 18:40 tcohen or through cron job? 18:41 seneca command line 18:41 seneca but echo $KOHA_CONF from the command line is returning the correct file... 18:41 tcohen PERL5LIB=/home/koha/kohaclon KOHA_CONF=/home/koha/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml /home/koha/kohaclone/misc/... 18:41 tcohen doesn't work? 18:42 seneca Let me try specifying it all in one line... 18:42 seneca I was relying on the shell ENVs that are set 18:42 tcohen i missed an 'e' in that line 18:42 seneca OK, that worked... so weird 18:43 seneca so is the command line not using the ENVs? 18:43 tcohen exactly 18:43 tcohen echo $PERL5LIB ¿ 18:43 seneca should it be? 18:44 seneca ok... 18:44 seneca that gives nothing 18:44 seneca no path 18:44 seneca but I swear it was set 18:44 seneca a minute ago... 18:44 seneca or, I'm just on crack 18:44 seneca wow, that would do it 18:44 tcohen put those variables on the cron.d/koha 18:44 seneca apologies for taking everyone's time 18:44 tcohen just before setting the cronjobs 18:45 seneca They are in the crontab 18:45 tcohen good luck seneca 18:45 seneca wow - I feel silly 18:45 seneca thanks all 18:47 tcohen it happens, its not a big deal really 18:47 magnuse it's all part of the fun :-) 18:48 seneca OK, next question: 18:48 seneca Indeed ;) 18:48 seneca the overdue notices script is running without error, is there a way for me to see what messages are in the queue to be sent by Koha? 18:49 tcohen SELECT * FROM message_queue; 18:49 tcohen ? 18:50 seneca ah, so they're saved in the db, I'll look there 18:50 seneca I just didn't know where to look for them 18:50 magnuse http://schema.koha-community.org/tables/message_queue.html 18:51 seneca Is that db location erased when the process_message_queue script is run? 18:51 seneca or do they stay there? 18:52 tcohen not sure, i think they stay there 18:52 cait back 18:53 magnuse yeah, looks like they stay there 18:53 magnuse with status = sent 18:54 seneca cool 18:54 tcohen C4::Letter.pm told me that they are just marked as sent 18:55 rangi ok my bus stop bbiab 18:55 tcohen bye rangi 18:55 jcamins_away cait, got the apartment. 18:55 cait yay!! 18:55 magnuse jcamins_away: hooray! 18:56 magnuse so filling out endless forms payed off! ;-) 18:56 cait of course 18:56 cait they would have been stupid to not accept you :) 18:56 jcamins_away So it would seem. :-) 18:59 tcohen bye #koha 19:05 magnuse seneca: have you looked at the debian packages of koha? it's an easy way to install koha, if you decide to start the install over from scratch http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.4_on_Debian_Squeeze (unless you need to install translations - that is being worked on but not ready yet) 19:05 rangi back 19:05 magnuse welcome back rangi! ;-) 19:05 * rangi pretends he is back in a marseille and eats a pain au chocolat and drinks a coffee for breakfast 19:06 magnuse ooh, nice! 19:06 rangi yes it is :) 19:06 magnuse (at least the pain au chocolat bit ;-) 19:06 rangi florent will probably arrive soon 19:06 rangi and tell me its made wrong 19:06 cait wb rangi 19:07 rangi (florent is the newest perl developer at catalyst .. from lyon) 19:07 magnuse not working on koha? 19:07 rangi and he knows what UNIMARC is ... so i may steal him from the fairfax team at some point 19:07 rangi nope, he does www.stuff.co.nz 19:07 magnuse ah, cool 19:07 magnuse fairfax? 19:08 rangi the office had a pointless argument about bread vs pastry the other day 19:08 rangi :) 19:08 rangi fairfax own stuff.co.nz 19:08 magnuse ah hah! 19:09 jcamins_away Bread is very important. 19:09 rangi it was what is the difference 19:09 jcamins_away Hmm. 19:10 rangi we should ask francharb_afk and fredericd 19:10 rangi :) 19:10 jcamins_away Different techniques is how I'd differentiate in my kitchen. 19:11 magnuse "Pastry is the name given to various kinds of baked products made from ingredients such as flour, sugar, milk, butter, shortening, baking powder and/or eggs." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pastry 19:11 rhcl_away in NZ, what does it mean to be "red zoned"? 19:12 rhcl_away rebuilding or removing due to earthquake damage apparently 19:13 rangi yeah, theres whole blocks in chch like that 19:13 rangi unsafe for humans to be there 19:13 rangi is the short answer 19:14 magnuse ouch 19:15 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7407] HidePatronName not working anymore <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7407> 19:15 rangi http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10734019 <-- old 19:15 rangi but gives good explanation 19:15 rangi Red zone: About 5000 homes are in this zone and can not be rebuilt. The Government has made an offer to these homeowners as part of today's announcements. 19:15 rangi OUCH 19:17 rhcl_away I must say that I find web developers cheap attempts to prevent viewing of images really irritating. 19:18 rangi yes 19:18 rhcl_away http://www.stuff.co.nz/oddstuff/6218259/Burger-chain-joins-the-dark-side 19:18 rangi its usually not the developers fault .. but the 'content owners' 19:18 rangi who make them do it 19:18 rhcl_away http://static2.stuff.co.nz/1325732670/301/6218301.jpg 19:19 rangi yup 19:20 rangi because its friday 19:20 rangi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAYL5H46QnQ 19:20 ibeardslee it's a bit arse that it can be worked around anyway 19:20 magnuse Darth Vador?!? 19:20 rangi you cant show the image in a browser 19:20 rangi and not have someone download it 19:21 rangi because um .. they already have 19:21 ibeardslee right click in firefox on the image, pops up the "can't save" message, and then get the right click menu anyway 19:21 * rangi has had this discussion with people 19:21 ibeardslee I right click many articles to open in a new tab 19:21 ibeardslee just arse 19:21 ibeardslee </rant> 19:22 rangi yup 19:22 rhcl_away usually it's just a matter of disabling javascript 19:22 rangi don't talk to me about 'IP' stuff :) 19:22 ibeardslee awww 19:24 magnuse re: throwing things on the ground... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_%28behavior%29 19:25 magnuse good time of the day, #koha! 19:25 rangi cya magnuse 19:31 seneca Does anyone know if there's a way to clear the message queue through the staff client, or is it safe to just do it from mysql? 19:35 cait no way to do it from staf 19:35 cait f 19:35 cait but should be safe to truncate it 19:35 cait or delete those sent 19:35 cait it's only nice to look them up sometimes 19:38 seneca yeah, we haven't been using emailings yet, so anything in there is just whatever ended up there... It'll be easier to test it with a clear queue 19:38 seneca thanks! 20:36 * wizzyrea1 waves 20:38 rangi heya wizzyrea1 20:44 cait hi wizzyrea 20:44 cait :) 20:49 rangi heh 21:54 maximep anyone know of a bug in 3.6.0 where holds use default rules instead of the cirtulation rules ? 21:55 maximep can't find it in bugzilla :S 21:58 rangi there is one 21:58 rangi about circulation rules 21:58 rangi lemme find it 21:58 rangi http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4530 <-- related maybe 21:58 huginn 04Bug 4530: major, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , Circulation & fines rules aren't always applied from most specific to less specific 22:01 maximep oh wow, what a big patch 22:01 maximep thanks, will try it to see if it helps 22:01 rangi :) 22:52 thd If anyone has mod points on Slashdot and likes my comprehensive answer to today's library automation system question, http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2604686&cid=38604004 , please mod up my answer. 22:55 thd The slashdot horde abandons topics after about two hours, therefore, my answer will have no attention from the horde. 22:56 rangi id have to remember my login 22:56 rangi but id highly doubt i have any mod points 22:56 rangi seeings its about 5 years since i last loggedin 22:56 thd rangi: I have forgotten all my past logins, therfore, I created a new one. 22:57 thd I think that I have only posted about twice ever in the past. 22:58 thd I could never compose a useful reply to anything on Slashdot before the horde has left. 22:58 rangi not so much a horde any more 22:58 rangi more a small queue at a bus stop 22:58 thd Fortunately, I had some previously unposted text to recycle. 22:58 rangi the horde is over at reddit 23:00 thd Does reddit have anything like 'ask slashdot'? 23:01 rangi yep 23:01 rangi askreddit 23:01 rangi http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/ 23:01 rangi http://www.reddit.com/r/koha <-- we have this too 23:02 maximep wow, took me an hour to find the bug. Looks like CanBookBeReserved called CanItemBeReserved with en item instead of an itemnumber. fuuuuuuuun 23:03 maximep in 3.6 23:03 rangi same in master? 23:03 maximep yup 23:03 rangi prolly can find the commit that did it, with git blame 23:03 maximep it uses get_itemnumbers_of and get_hostitemnumbers_of 23:03 maximep 3.2 used GetItemsInfo 23:03 rangi ahhh 23:03 rangi i know why then 23:04 rangi GetItemsInfo is hideos 23:04 rangi and slllloooowwwww 23:04 maximep at least it worked :p 23:04 rangi so yeah it will have been broken with that change 23:04 rangi for some def of worked ;-) 23:04 rangi it worked until your apache went OOM :-) 23:04 maximep http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=823b807ac9e20706bdd3931962e126affc72cbeb 23:04 rangi but yeah, that should be fixed 23:05 maximep ian -_- 23:05 maximep well 23:05 maximep i think 23:05 rangi hmm 23:05 rangi item should be an itemnumber in that case 23:05 maximep yup 23:06 rangi which is the same 23:06 rangi ? 23:06 rangi ie @items is an array of itemnumbers now 23:06 rangi so ti should be still calling it with an itemnumber 23:07 rangi ? 23:07 maximep 2 sec, will paste what is $item 23:07 maximep $VAR1 = { 23:07 maximep '167411' => [ 23:07 maximep '224369' 23:07 maximep ] 23:07 maximep }; 23:07 rangi if not it looks like the get_itemnumbers_of 23:07 rangi is wrong 23:07 maximep so itemnumber really is $item->{$biblionumber}->[0] 23:08 rangi yuck 23:08 thd I never paid much attention to Reddit because it lacks the significant computer technology centric focus of Slashdot. The horde has certainly left Slashdot in recent years but some extraordinarily insightful commentators still seem to contribute when I have checked even if there number has also declined. 23:10 maximep get_hostitemnumbers_of returns a reference on a hash where key is a biblionumber and values are 23:10 maximep references on array of itemnumbers. 23:10 maximep wow 23:10 rangi yeah thats hideous 23:11 rangi get_hostitemnumbers_of 23:11 rangi does the right thing even if the pod says it doesnt 23:11 rangi ah no it doesnt 23:11 rangi cos it uses get_itemnumbers_of 23:11 rangi eeew 23:12 maximep a comment or 2 in that code would help :/ 23:12 thd What a great loss from the original once FRBR-like Koha. :( 23:12 maximep my 6 months of perl arent enough to quickly understand 23:12 rangi yeah 23:12 rangi basically i think we should not use those 2 functions 23:12 maximep i see, haha 23:12 rangi in that CanBookBeReserved 23:12 rangi all we want is all itemnumbers 23:13 maximep from a biblionumber. Must exists a simpler way 23:13 rangi yeah 23:13 rangi SELECT itemnumber FROM items where biblionumber = ? 23:13 rangi :) 23:14 maximep sure haha 23:14 rangi but in a sub 23:14 rangi then have to figure out what get_hostitemnumbers_of does 23:14 rangi oh i see 23:14 rangi analytics stuff 23:15 rangi yeah i think a couple of new subs in Items.pm .. that behave sanely 23:15 rangi and actually just return an array of itemnumbers 23:15 maximep well, I have to go 23:15 rangi id say kill the other ones 23:15 maximep so I will posta bug report tomorrow 23:15 rangi but they are used by the merge stuff 23:16 maximep CanBookBeReserved could be 3 lines hehe 23:16 maximep well maybe not 23:17 maximep for now I thin I will just revert that patch 23:17 maximep to fix it for my clients 23:18 maximep and write a bug report tomorrow with suggestions 23:18 maximep and a patch if i can 23:18 maximep thanks for the help! 23:19 thd French lesson today. 23:21 maximep I can help with that :p 23:23 jcamins_away Useful lesson of the minute: you cannot move koha-dev to a different partition while zebrasrv is running without causing problems. 23:24 maximep haha 23:24 maximep my sysadmins learned that search doesn't work much without zebrasrv today 23:25 jcamins_away This is also true. 23:27 jcamins_away Is there any performance hit for using BETWEEN? 23:28 rangi run the query using explain 23:28 rangi it will tell you 23:28 jcamins_away Ah, good point. 23:28 jcamins_away Thanks. 23:30 jcamins_away No difference.