Time Nick Message 23:39 eythian OK, ta 23:39 jcamins_away eythian: I do know, and the answer is "no." 23:29 eythian I wonder if that made any sense in English. 23:29 huginn` eythian: The operation succeeded. 23:29 eythian @later tell jcamins_away do you know if Koha can do "see also" sort of authority stuff? So you can put abbrevs in and it'll search for the full expansion and know about it due to the auth records. 23:26 eythian http://awfullibrarybooks.net/?p=15083 22:47 dani Hello 19:21 mbalmer afaik, the only have sutrs 19:20 cait if they have an open z39.50 server for marc21 19:20 cait I am not sure 19:20 cait hm 19:17 mbalmer can Deutsche Nationalbibliothek be queried from Koha using z39.50? 19:15 wahanui thanks cait :) 19:15 cait wahanui botsnack cookie 19:15 wahanui okay, cait. 19:15 cait wahanui: git bz is also http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_bz_configuration 19:14 cait hm wahanui, that's not so helpful 19:14 wahanui well, git bz is so much fun :) 19:14 cait git bz? 19:14 cait and for working with bugzilla git bz is a nice addition to make your life easier 19:13 cait so next time... there will already be a bug number you can use 19:13 mbalmer but then, I might create a typo branch and do a collective patch once a year ;) 19:13 cait for "typos in documentation" 19:13 cait is open a bug 19:13 cait what you can do 19:13 mbalmer sounds a bit overengineered for little typos, though 19:13 cait but still it's helpful 19:12 cait it's easier to track things this way, but you are right that it seems a bit silly for small things sometimes :) 19:12 mbalmer ok, I try to follow that 19:12 cait the normal procedure is that we open a bug, put the number in the patch and send it to koha-patches 19:12 mbalmer I am living in this cabal forever ;) 19:11 cait I am not very familiar with other open source projects 19:11 cait np 19:11 mbalmer problem report, aka bug. (term we use in NetBSD, sry) 19:10 cait PR? 19:10 cait to be more precise 19:10 cait or only the rm has 19:10 cait nobody has commit access :) 19:10 cait ah 19:09 mbalmer opening a PR for an 'n' seemed like overkill, tbh... 19:09 mbalmer I had no better address to send it to. and I saw that you have commit acces, that's why ;) 19:08 cait only wondered why you sent it to me :) 19:08 mbalmer did I miss the attachment? 19:08 cait I see that :) 19:08 mbalmer cait, it's a simple diff. 18:29 cait mbalmer: i got your mail? 17:37 rangi we use it for electoral roles and the like 17:36 rangi yep 17:35 mbalmer so data integrity and safety is paramount, sth that is not given with mysql 17:35 mbalmer I see. Yes, we use it heavily for mission critical stuff (point of sale) 17:31 rangi we use postgres for most things 17:30 rangi mark Kirkwood 17:26 mbalmer with whom? 17:26 * rangi works with a postgres developer 17:26 jcamins Only 23 articles left to scan. 17:26 mbalmer and not only that 17:26 mbalmer oh yes 17:26 rangi postgres has got a lot faster 17:25 rangi that was in 99 tho 17:25 rangi but mysql far outperformed it 17:25 rangi mbalmer: koha used psql first 17:25 * mbalmer is a PostgreSQL guy 17:25 mbalmer imo, a good implemetation offers interfaces to databases and takes advantage of the respective database. although I see not a single positive aspect for the use of MySQL ;P 17:23 jcamins rangi: so in other words, that's not a direct MySQL interface. Cool. 17:23 rangi could be dbd::pg too 17:23 rangi its using dbi and dbd::mysql 17:22 cait I got it 17:22 cait yay :) 17:22 jcamins cait: yep. 17:22 jcamins The commands are pretty much identical to the C MySQL interface. 17:22 cait jcamins: monty python? 17:22 rangi and thats why abstraction layers suck 17:22 jcamins rangi: I didn't realize that C4::Context wasn't using the MySQL interface directly. 17:21 mbalmer else you can only use the lowest common denominator of all supported databases. 17:21 mbalmer I am almost sure I would also introduce some PostgreSQL-isms. If you want to take advantage of DB, you almost have to. 17:21 rangi and DBI is the abstraction, what is needed is a better schema 17:21 jcamins "Tell you what, we'll call it a draw." 17:20 jcamins "Chicken! Chiiiccckkkeeennn! Bawk bawk!" 17:20 jcamins "No it's not, you're arm's off." 17:20 rangi or even needed 17:20 jcamins "It's just a flesh wound." 17:20 rangi naw they aren't hard to kill 17:20 * jcamins imagines Black Knight-like MySQLisms. 17:20 cait and good morning rangi :) 17:20 cait heh 17:19 rangi yep, very few left over and easy to kill 17:19 jcamins rangi: "mostly." 17:19 jcamins Ah. 17:19 cait mbalmer++ 17:19 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7346 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, NEW , 'perl translate install' creates template directories for invalid languages 17:19 cait and thx for signing off :) 17:19 jcamins bug 7346 17:19 jcamins That was supposed to be "some sort of centralized database access." 17:19 jcamins Wireless is very screwed up. 17:19 cait it's good if you obsolete the original patch after attaching the signed off patch 17:19 jcamins Yikes. 17:18 rangi actually the mysqlisms are pretty much confined to the. sql files now 17:18 cait mbalmer: I am looking at 7346 :) 17:17 cait i think noone has started on the abstraction layer yet 17:17 cait mbalmer: there are some bigger projects going on for code cleanup and performance at the moment 17:17 mbalmer jcamins, way to early to dicuss this, keep in mind that I have no understanding of the koha codebase yet. 17:17 cait what's between of and rtf? 17:16 cait jcamins: ?? 17:16 mbalmer but if we want to jump on the wagon, it is a must for us. 17:16 jcamins mbalmer: two interfaces would only work if there were some sot ofrtf of centralized database access. 17:16 cait installer/data/Pg is outdated 17:16 mbalmer pgsql support would be a longer term project anyways. 17:15 cait but the problem is we might have some mysqlisms in the code right now 17:15 cait mbalmer: I think there was an attempt to do that 17:15 jcamins mbalmer: take a look at the code, then repeat that statement. 17:15 mbalmer jcamins I beg to differ 17:15 jcamins mbalmer: abstraction layer is better. 17:15 cait mbalmer: thx for the bug report :) 17:15 mbalmer abstraction layer _OR_ two interfaces to choose from 17:14 jcamins Discussions about implementing that would go on koha-devel. 17:14 jcamins mbalmer: you'll have to get Koha using a database abstraction layer for that, first. 17:14 mbalmer I need koha-pgsql :> 17:13 cait I still encourage you to subscribe, in hope it will get better 17:13 jcamins And maybe a Spanish list? 17:13 jcamins Also a French list. :) 17:13 cait but there the traffic is very very low 17:13 jcamins And koha-devel is a must if you're doing any development. 17:13 cait there is a german list too 17:12 jcamins And koha-bugs for following the bugzilla. 17:12 mbalmer cait, like NetBSD, then 17:12 cait bugs is also interesting 17:12 jcamins There's also koha-patches if you want to see proposed patches. 17:12 jcamins That one is koha-commits. 17:12 cait we have a list for almost everything :) 17:11 wahanui mailing list is at http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/ 17:11 trea mailing list? 17:11 jcamins mbalmer: yes. 17:11 mbalmer is there a mailing list that mails out git commits? 17:10 * jcamins just disbound two massive course packets and is currently scanning them in so that he can throw out the physical volumes. 17:06 cait and hi jcamins :) 17:06 cait forget hi cait. 17:06 wahanui Hi cait. are you looking at the rwc final? 17:06 jcamins Hi cait. 17:05 cait hi mbalmer 17:05 mbalmer hi cait 17:04 cait hi #koha 15:30 mbalmer hehe ;) 15:30 jcamins mbalmer: we prefer to call it WORN. ;) 15:30 mbalmer ok, ymmv ;) 15:30 mbalmer to me it's a write only language, no one can read that code…. 15:29 mbalmer the biggest handicap right now is that I don't know perl, and really don't feel to much like learning it. 15:29 mbalmer And I am very close to the dev team, see my many talks on it ;) 15:29 jcamins Database independence would be awesome! 15:28 mbalmer it has always been the database of my choice, since 1995... 15:28 jcamins mbalmer++ # for taking up a neglected task 15:28 jcamins mbalmer: I think that was you volunteering. 15:27 mbalmer who are the good folks working on PostgreSQL support for Koha? 15:03 mbalmer well, I should have know better, using git on freedesktop.org as well, plus on another project ;( 15:02 jcamins Wise. :) 14:59 mbalmer <- will never commit to master again 14:59 mbalmer jcamins, that worked, thanks! 14:58 jcamins ;) 14:58 * jcamins is in a getting rid of stuff kind of mood, though, so you might not actually want to delete the branch. 14:57 jcamins git checkout -b master origin/master 14:57 jcamins git branch -D master (assuming that's what the branch you inadvertantly committed to was called) 14:57 jcamins git checkout origin/master 14:57 jcamins mbalmer: if you didn't mean to make any changes, I'd just create a new branch: 14:55 mbalmer my git repo is now ahead of the master branch by 2 commits (but no changes), can I somehow reset that? 13:20 mbalmer and since I want to fix a few things, I need it. 13:20 mbalmer I read it once, but the mayhem I caused to my repo this morning clearly showed I did not fully understand it ;) 13:19 jcamins mbalmer: ah, that's a good one. :) 13:19 mbalmer Version Control with Git 13:18 jcamins mbalmer: which git book? 13:17 mbalmer I now go read the Git book, seems about time I understand it a bit better 13:14 jcamins Figured it out. 13:14 jcamins Never mind. 13:08 jcamins I don't suppose anyone is around who can help me troubleshoot the sudden appearance of multiple content-type lines in my git patches? 12:35 jcamins_away Anyone who uses UNIMARC around? 11:39 magnus_afk oops, time for me to wander off again - see ya later! 11:39 mbalmer sign off a diff. 11:38 magnus_afk hm, what are you trying to do? 11:37 mbalmer locally committed the diff, but how can I get the patch against the master branch? 11:36 mbalmer maybe someone smarter should do it ;) 11:36 mbalmer woah, I have no idea how do this git thing... 11:30 magnus_afk no problem! 11:30 mbalmer yep, that worked. thanks 11:28 magnus_afk git checkout master 11:28 mbalmer yes that works. but I created accidentally the branch 'translate', and apparently I am currently in that one. how do I change back to the master branch? 11:28 magnus_afk it might tell you yo have to use -D 11:28 magnus_afk yeah, looks like it 11:27 magnus_afk git branch -d branchname *i think* 11:26 mbalmer how do I delete a branch? 11:26 magnus_afk hehe 11:26 mbalmer I lost my mind, I think ;) 11:26 magnus_afk you lost master? 11:24 mbalmer <- lost in git 11:23 magnus_afk http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/master 11:23 magnus_afk um, just "master" 11:21 mbalmer what is the name of the "master" branch? 11:20 mbalmer bah, I think I accidentally created a branch. 11:16 magnus_afk but just adding a comment saying "this worked on 3.6.1" or similar would be a good thing too 11:15 magnus_afk yeah, current master is best for doing proper signoffs, i guess 11:14 mbalmer problem could be: I tested the diff on a release, but need to sign off in -current 11:14 magnus_afk that's an advantage! 11:14 mbalmer I use git in other projects, too. 11:14 magnus_afk nah, you'd get the hang of it pretty soon i'd think 11:13 mbalmer gosh, that git signoff procedure is complicated ;) 11:13 magnus_afk to get media info into koha you might want to have a look at http://manual.koha-community.org/3.6/en/cataloging.html#addbibrec 11:11 magnus_afk if you test patches you might want to sign off on them: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Sign_off_on_patches 11:11 mbalmer I see, LOL ;) 11:11 magnus_afk mbalmer: huginn is a bot, trying to be helpful ;-) 11:09 mbalmer huginn, I tested your diff, it works. 11:04 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7346] 'perl translate install' creates template directories for invalid languages <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7346> 10:55 mbalmer maybe a stupid question, but: how can I import media information into Koha? I have the ISBN numbers, can I somehow get the "official" data of a book? (I am not a librarian, but a software developer…. ;) 09:22 mbalmer for the time being I will add a note to the wiki and file a bug report 09:21 magnus_afk mbalmer: there is some work under way to create proper packages for the translations too, but it's not finished yet 09:08 mbalmer same for opac 09:07 mbalmer ah, rm -r /usr/share/koha/intranet/htdocs/intranet-tmpl/prog/de-XY helps 09:05 mbalmer so it creates bogus entries 09:05 mbalmer if you do 'perl translate install de-XY', the translate script will fail (de-XY does not exist), but the admin interface will show you 'de-XY' as a language choice under I18N/L10N 09:04 cait I am not sure how installing translations with the packages work 09:04 cait remove? 09:03 mbalmer how can one remove translations? 09:03 mbalmer (still to early in the morning and still no coffee) 09:02 mbalmer 3.0 was what I thought. 09:02 mbalmer the zero confused me, sorry. 09:02 cait yep 09:02 rangi a month and a half 09:02 cait why do you think it's old? 09:02 cait no, not really old :) 09:01 mbalmer uhhh, that looks old: 3.06.00.002 09:00 rangi in koha 09:00 rangi the about page will tell you 09:00 * mbalmer is not so familar with Linux... 09:00 mbalmer from the debian package koha-common, let me try to find the exact version... 08:59 cait what version have you installed? 08:59 cait translations are handled with po files 08:59 cait really 08:59 cait you don't need a patch 08:58 cait ah 08:58 mbalmer and I am not yet familiar enoigh with the system to offer you a patch, sorry. 08:58 mbalmer yeah. but it's a mix of english and german, that is what I meant. 08:58 cait it's like amazon, Klicken Sie hier, wenn Sie nicht ... sind 08:57 cait mbalmer: I am open for better translations ;) 08:57 mbalmer The german translation is funny: "Hier klicken if you're not Marc Balmer" ;) 08:54 ihussien Dose Koha support Arabic title 08:54 ihussien i want to ask some questions 08:54 ihussien i'm ihab from jordan 08:53 ihussien hello 08:49 mbalmer and, morning all, btw ;) 08:49 mbalmer I think I got my system finally up and running, trying to localize it now. 08:49 cait morning magnus_afk and mbalmer 08:48 rangi hi magnus_afk mbalmer and cait 08:48 * mbalmer had no coffee yet, either 08:48 magnus_afk slightly... 08:47 mbalmer the north wakes up ;) 08:46 magnus_afk o/ 06:19 bag :) 06:19 bag me too 06:19 druthb gotta hit the hay...brain is fried, fried. 06:19 druthb hi, bag! 06:18 bag heya druthb 05:56 druthb o/ 05:13 bag evening 01:33 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7345] Should be possible to export MARC records without private fields <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7345> 01:16 jcamins Whoops. Wrong window. 01:15 jcamins :q 00:38 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6800] Koha authentication should handle proxies better <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6800> 00:29 jcamins Oh, figured it out. 00:27 jcamins s/remove// 00:26 jcamins rangi: how do I remove amend the previous commit to not touch a certain file?