Time Nick Message 00:29 wizzyrea keke the reserves test makes an identical reserve every time it's run. 00:29 * wizzyrea had 10x identical reserves on a bib. 00:50 rangi heh 01:24 wizzyrea what's the stuff in t/db_schemas for? 01:25 rangi not sure i think that was the start of making the tests make their own db 01:25 wizzyrea oic. 03:04 jcamins_away @later tell libsysguy Good plan. Hopefully there won't be too many that require overlaying, though I guess doing it via script wouldn't be that bad. 03:04 huginn` jcamins_away: The operation succeeded. 03:08 jcamins_away libsysguy: I sas just saying, seems like a good idea to me. 03:08 libsysguy ahh 03:08 jcamins_away *was 03:09 libsysguy haha…yeah I think if i can get them all in one place it won't be bad…it does seem like there are a lot 03:09 libsysguy maybe 50K-100K 03:09 jcamins_away Do you pay OCLC by the search? 03:10 libsysguy i sure hope not…I don't think we do…I think it is a package deal 03:11 jcamins_away In that case, get them to activate your Z39.50 access, and leave it running overnight. 03:11 jcamins_away Maybe over the weekend. 03:11 libsysguy ohh yeah…that'd be an awesome way to pull them all 03:12 jcamins_away Definitely weekend. 03:12 jcamins_away If you could do one Z39.50 search per second, it'd take over a day. 03:12 jcamins_away They usually take, what, 10 seconds? 03:12 jcamins_away Crap. It'll take over a week. 03:13 libsysguy 0_0…hmm 03:13 libsysguy maybe I can set up multiple servers to pull 03:13 libsysguy thread the process 03:13 jcamins_away Good thought. 03:14 libsysguy that way its not lagging out production 03:14 jcamins_away Yeah, definitely best to do that. 03:16 jcamins_away libsysguy: https://www.gitorious.org/koha-toolbox/ <-- in there is a script old/migration/fetch_marc_by_ISBN.pl 03:16 libsysguy haha aww she started another git repo 03:59 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 4530] Circulation & fines rules aren't always applied from most specific to less specific <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4530> 04:25 Judit hi 04:25 wahanui bonjour, Judit 04:25 Judit anyone has experience with the offline circulation tool for firefox? 04:27 eythian No one does. 04:27 Judit :) 04:27 Judit i will! 04:39 Oak kia ora #koha 05:10 cait morning #koha :) 05:12 eythian hi cait 05:12 cait hey eythian :) 05:13 Oak Hello Mr. Robin 05:13 Oak Good morning miss cait :) 05:13 cait hi Oak :) 06:30 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7334] Improve 'No address stored' and similar messages in patron account <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7334> 07:22 AmitG heya cait 07:23 alex_a morning #koha ! 07:24 cait morning alex_a and AmitG 07:53 rangi evening all 07:56 Oak TenÄ Koe rangi 08:01 reiveune hello 08:01 wahanui que tal, reiveune 08:03 Oak hello reiveune :) 08:04 reiveune Hi Oak and everybody :) 08:13 kf back :) 08:14 rangi paul_bed: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6679#c32 08:14 huginn` 04Bug 6679: minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , Fixing code so it passes basic Perl::Critic tests 08:14 rangi plus bug 7141 08:14 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7141 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, fcapovilla, ASSIGNED , The biblio details page in the intranet doesn't work if XSLT is activated and the xsl file contains " " 08:14 rangi will stop the tests complaining 08:14 paul_p hello rangi 08:14 rangi and should have happy jenkins again 08:14 rangi hello :) 08:15 kf rangi++ 08:15 paul_p good morning kf 08:15 kf bonjour paul_p :) 08:16 paul_p kf, did I tell you that my 2nd son (Nathan, 11) is learning english as 1st foreign language, and german as 2nd ? 08:16 kf no, you didn't :) 08:17 paul_p (he choose to start a 2nd FL at 11, it's mandatory only at 13. But his school propose this option for motivated childrens) 08:17 kf learning german is hard 08:17 paul_p (well, for motivated parents too ;-) ) 08:17 paul_p it's funny to see that he sometimes make mistakes in his accent: saying a german word with english accent. 08:20 kf interesting 08:20 wahanui interesting is good 08:20 kf hehe, yeah sometimes wahanui :) 08:21 kf paul_p: how does he like German? 08:21 asaurat in southern France, choosing german is often, like latin, a way to end up in a "good" class :D 08:22 paul_p asaurat, right. 08:22 kf asaurat: did you learn german at school? 08:22 paul_p (and choosing german at 11 is only for students with good results) 08:23 asaurat kf: no, spanish :), but I took latin as 3rd language 08:23 kf asaurat: crazy :) 08:23 kf ok... 08:23 kf english, russian, japanese 08:23 kf for me 08:23 asaurat crazier :D 08:23 kf heh yes 08:24 kf can one of you give jonathan some chocolate? 08:24 asaurat russian ? were you raised in a former DDR land ? 08:25 kf no 08:25 kf but you are right 08:26 kf a lot of people in DDR learned russian, not very common in south germany 08:26 kf but the school I was at offered it 08:26 kf you could choose between French and Russian as a second language 08:36 francharb morning 08:37 Oak whoa 08:37 Oak you speak Russian and Japanese kf ? 08:38 paul_p kf, chocolate to joubu ? I can do that immediatly if you explain why 08:38 Oak morning francharb :) 08:38 paul_p (dark chocolate with nuts) 08:38 * Oak goes to sit in sunlight 08:42 kf paul_p: because I failed the late order management again 08:42 * kf sends chocolate to joubu 08:42 kf and thx paul :) 08:43 kf Oak: speaking is too much... I learned russian from 7th to 11th grade, but can't really speak it and studied japanese at school and for 1 year at university 08:43 kf Oak: but same there, not using it = forgetting 08:58 Oak ah i see 08:59 Oak @wunder islamabad 08:59 huginn` Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 21.0�C (1:00 PM PKT on December 08, 2011). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 38%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). 08:59 Oak not very sunny 08:59 kf sunny here :) 08:59 Oak @wunder konstanz 09:00 huginn` Oak: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 3.9�C (9:54 AM CET on December 08, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Windchill: 4.0�C. Pressure: 30.36 in 1028.0 hPa (Steady). 09:00 Oak cool 09:00 kf ok, meeting time 09:00 * kf kf_mtg 09:01 asaurat @wunder vladivostok 09:01 huginn` asaurat: The current temperature in Vladivostok, Russia is -12.0�C (7:30 PM VLAT on December 08, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: -21.0�C. Windchill: -19.0�C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Steady). 09:06 paul_p kf, chocolate given to joubu (he was at a short meeting) 10:25 * kf paul_p thx :) 11:23 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7259 - Show a count of items pending approval on staff client home and tools... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8f0c10ef1bc09d820523fbaf528df45d72dfa782> / Bug 7259 - Show a count of items pending approval on staff client home and tools... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d3c02c6bb6bb544136aabc4b5d68db031f192b25> / Bug 7116: White space on item form for b 11:29 jenkins_koha Starting build 559 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #491 1 mo. 20 j ago) 11:47 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5347] late order management <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5347> 12:19 AmitG chris around? 12:22 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #559: STILL UNSTABLE in 53 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/559/ 12:22 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 6679: Fixing admin/aqplain :encoding(UTF-8) gives strict validation 12:22 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 6679: catalogue/ now passing perl critic tests 12:22 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 6679 : cataloguing/ now passing critic tests 12:22 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 6679 : Adding license statement and stopping declaring variables in a conditional 12:22 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 6679 : Allowing eval require 12:22 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6679 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , Fixing code so it passes basic Perl::Critic tests 12:22 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 7141 : Changing test to match new formatting of xsl style sheet 12:22 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 6987 Make return from Overdues::GetFine consistent 12:22 jenkins_koha * jaker: Bug 7020 Items with no checkouts report does not output call number, barcode or item details 12:22 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7141 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, fcapovilla, ASSIGNED , The biblio details page in the intranet doesn't work if XSLT is activated and the xsl file contains " " 12:22 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Welcome to jon Aker (#164) + missing tabs & "releases" 12:22 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7116: White space on item form for bulk ordering from staged file 12:22 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 7259 - Show a count of items pending approval on staff client home and tools pages 12:22 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 7259 - Show a count of items pending approval on staff client home and tools pages 12:22 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6987 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, colin.campbell, ASSIGNED , C4::Overdues::GetFine returns inconsistent 12:22 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7020 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, jaker, ASSIGNED , Items with no checkouts report does not output call number, barcode or item details 12:22 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7116 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , Item form when ordering in batch from staged marc has lots of white space for hidden fields 12:22 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7259 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Show a count of items pending approval on staff client home and tools pages 13:17 kf hhmmm 13:17 kf reports question 13:17 kf I was trying 13:17 kf to build a report that would allow to choose how to sort it 13:17 kf using an authorized value list sort 13:18 kf and a placeholder 13:18 kf but it builds something like 13:18 kf s order by 'cardnumber desc' 13:18 kf is there a way to avoid the '' ? 13:18 kf or make it work with ''? 13:30 * oleonard waves to kf but has no answer 13:30 kf hi oleonard :) 13:31 kf that's ok. 13:31 kf perhaps a case for a enh request 13:31 kf oleonard: any idea how to call that new feature? 13:32 oleonard I don't really even understand it 13:32 kf a custom report 13:32 kf that does not ask for a branch 13:32 kf or for an itemtype 13:32 kf using the placeholders 13:32 kf but for the way it should be ordered 13:32 kf sorted 13:33 kf and it does not work, because I can get a pull down and all using an authorized value in the report, but the replaced string always has '' around it 13:33 kf and sql does not like that 13:35 oleonard Maybe you should make the bug very general, like "Allow custom parameters for sorting in guided reports" 13:36 kf that sounds nice :) 13:41 kf thx oleonard :) 13:42 kf bug 7335 13:42 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7335 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Allow custom parameters for sorting in sql reports 13:49 oleonard If a bug fix introduces new strings does it make it inappropriate for the stable branch? 13:50 magnuse i'd say no 13:50 magnuse bugs should be fixed 13:51 oleonard But with an edge case like Bug 7083 it might be reason enough to reject it 13:51 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7083 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Show creator name on list of public lists 13:51 paul_p oleonard, not at all. 13:52 paul_p => a bugfix is always OK for stable branch 13:57 kf magnuse: we do translation 13:57 kf arg 13:57 kf oleonard: new strings are ok for bugfix releases 13:58 magnuse at least we try to... ;-) 13:58 kf oleonard: we update the po files between releases :) 13:58 kf oleonard: there are only some time lines, so some days before the release no string changes 13:58 kf and hi magnuse :) home now? 13:59 oleonard Okay, I wasn't sure with the stable releases. 13:59 magnuse kf: yup 14:00 magnuse gah, how i wish norwegians used english so i didn't have to worry about translations... 14:01 jcamins_away magnuse: how do you handle translations with the packages? 14:01 magnuse um, hardly... 14:01 oleonard All those Norwegian voice actors would be out of work if they didn't have American TV to dub 14:01 magnuse catalyst hav been working on integrating translations into the packaging process 14:01 magnuse huh? we only dub children's movies! 14:02 magnuse and tv-series 14:02 kf wish we would do the same 14:02 jcamins_away magnuse: yeah, I know that, but you're using packages for NORMARC installations, aren't you? So you must be doing something. 14:02 oleonard If Americans were forced to READ the television there would be nationwide revolt on an unprecedented scale. 14:03 magnuse i have been using the stuff on this branch: http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=koha.git;a=log;h=refs/heads/wr83663-l10n 14:03 jcamins_away oleonard: alas, I think that is true. 14:03 oleonard Hence the creation of a duplicate "Girl with the dragon tattoo" movie. 14:03 jcamins_away magnuse: thanks. 14:03 magnuse yeah, lots of scandinavian movies are re-done in the us 14:03 magnuse weird! 14:04 magnuse jcamins_away: i think that work is pretty complete now, i hope eythian and srdjan will get around to submitting a patch 14:04 magnuse well, not lots, but some... 14:05 magnuse francis ford coppola is going to make a film based on a book by our most popular crime author (jo nesb�) though! 14:07 oleonard Hey, we have a few of those in our collection 14:09 * jcamins_away rediscovers the fact that there's no intranet XSLT stylesheet. 14:10 oleonard Sure there is jcamins 14:10 jcamins Results stylesheet. 14:10 wizzyrea mornin 14:10 oleonard jcamins: The results one is in-progress. There's a bug and patch for it if you'd like to help 14:11 jcamins oleonard: yeah, I know. I just had forgotten. 14:14 oleonard Uh oh... Is making a patron debarred broken in master? 14:14 jcamins Uh-oh. That would be bad. 14:15 jcamins After I test my patch for bug 7332, I'll check for you. 14:15 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7332 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, NEW , Translated title (MARC21 field 242) doesn't display 14:15 * jcamins sees what kf was talking about. 14:15 jcamins Whoah! 14:15 jcamins oleonard++ 14:15 jcamins That's *beautiful*! 14:15 oleonard ? 14:16 jcamins Suggestions pending approval, Tags pending approval. 14:16 wizzyrea i like it too :) 14:16 wizzyrea oleonard++ 14:16 magnuse oleonard++ 14:16 wizzyrea how are you going about making a patron debarred oleonard 14:17 wizzyrea oh, and btw 14:17 wizzyrea I made a testing db for running unit tests. 14:17 jcamins Hey, someone restyled the framework thing, too? 14:17 wizzyrea it's in bugzilla 14:17 jcamins That could've been a while ago. I don't recall the last time I looked at frameworks. 14:17 wizzyrea bug 7333 14:17 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7333 trivial, PATCH-Sent, ---, wizzyrea, ASSIGNED , Cleaning up tests to use sample data 14:18 oleonard I edit my patron record and checked the 'debarred' radio button (but didn't put in a debarred until date) 14:18 wizzyrea ah, sounds like fine in days? 14:18 oleonard It seemed to have not worked, but now I can't log in as that user 14:19 * wizzyrea will try it 14:19 oleonard Don't try with your only superlibrarian user 14:19 wizzyrea O.o 14:19 oleonard It breaks access to the OPAC for that user too 14:19 jcamins That's bad. 14:20 oleonard Not even free frogurt with that. 14:21 oleonard Interesting... borrowers.debarred for that patron record is set to 127. 14:21 wizzyrea hm that seems odd 14:23 oleonard I must have missed a database update? 14:23 wizzyrea hmm 14:24 wizzyrea I'm not having any trouble 14:24 wizzyrea and I just fetched 14:24 wizzyrea do note, it was a "regular" patron 14:25 wizzyrea hm but that is weird 14:25 wizzyrea the patron I debarred 14:25 jcamins kf: weren't you just thinking you wanted to sign off on bug 7332? :P 14:25 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7332 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, NEW , Translated title (MARC21 field 242) doesn't display 14:26 * oleonard sets back his koha version and lets updates run 14:26 wizzyrea http://screencast.com/t/QKvVMFzTbi 14:29 wizzyrea oleonard: http://screencast.com/t/7SlsPBavSnT 14:29 wizzyrea it looks like it's working for me 14:29 wizzyrea except for the "debarred until 9999" thing 14:30 oleonard Yeah, it was a database problem. I didn't get the update that converted debarred to a date field. 14:30 wizzyrea oh I see 14:30 wizzyrea ok, well we still have a problem with the date 14:30 wizzyrea display 14:33 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7332] Translated title (MARC21 field 242) doesn't display <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7332> 14:33 oleonard That looks like an easy template fix wizzyrea 14:34 * oleonard tinkers 14:34 wizzyrea cool, I'll file the bug for you :) 14:35 sekjal morning, #koha 14:36 wizzyrea bug 7337 oleonard 14:36 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7337 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , "Debarred Until" display in the opac tells patrons they are debarred until the year 9999 14:36 oleonard Thanks wizzyrea 14:36 wizzyrea yw 14:41 jcamins Morning. 14:44 wizzyrea hi there 14:44 * wizzyrea just had to use a ball point pen to stir her coffee because she could not find a spoon 14:44 wizzyrea ink side up, of course :P 14:45 chris_n g'morning 14:45 jcamins wizzyrea: "You know you're a librarian when..." 14:45 jcamins ? 14:45 chris_n did someone say "coffee"? 14:46 chris_n jcamins: when every time you hear a book title, you immediately think of its call number? 14:46 oleonard Is the GBSD twitter account supposed to stop tweeting after GBSD is over? 14:47 wizzyrea I kind of like it actually :P 14:47 jcamins chris_n: I was thinking "when your preferred sweetener for your coffee is ink." 14:48 chris_n yuk 14:48 jcamins chris_n: yeah, I guess neither of us are *real* librarians like wizzyrea. ;) 14:48 chris_n we need a way to do a blanket due date change on all outstanding issues 14:48 wizzyrea pfft 14:48 wizzyrea can't you do that with circ rules? 14:48 wizzyrea oh existing ones 14:48 wizzyrea nm 14:49 jcamins chris_n: don't we have a script that does that? 14:49 * chris_n has not seen it 14:49 chris_n but will gladly accept directions :) 14:49 chris_n right, existing 14:49 chris_n ie. our library closes over the break and requires the return of all materials 14:49 jcamins sekjal: don't we have a script that changes the due date globally so that the transition to hard due dates was painless? 14:50 chris_n some patrons seem not to be able to understand that 14:50 chris_n since the due date is set after the close date by default 14:50 sekjal jcamins: was part of the database update 14:50 wizzyrea chris_n: in the future you probably want to set up your circ rules to compensate for that 14:51 wizzyrea because you can set your hard due date at the beginning of the semester and pretty well forget about it 14:51 jcamins sekjal: ohhh. Thanks. I knew there was some sort of transitional thing. 14:51 chris_n ok, I missed the hard due date feature 14:51 * wizzyrea sounds like she's from an infomercial this morning 14:51 wizzyrea "set it, and forget it!" 14:51 * chris_n wonders what other wonderful features are lurking in koha that he's missed 14:52 wizzyrea manual? 14:52 wahanui i heard manual was at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation 14:52 wizzyrea keke 14:52 chris_n lol 14:52 wizzyrea j/k <3 14:52 chris_n :-) 14:52 chris_n hand me a cup of coffee and I won't hold it against you ;-) 14:52 chris_n uh 14:52 chris_n without the pen please 14:52 * wizzyrea hands chris_n a cup of coffee and runs away 14:53 wizzyrea (no pen) 14:53 wizzyrea (find your own spoon) 14:53 oleonard chris_n: Do you take it black? Or blue? 14:53 wizzyrea or silver? 14:53 chris_n sometimes both :P 14:53 wizzyrea depends on how strong it is 14:53 oleonard Sparkle pink gel coffee? 14:54 chris_n hehe 14:54 kf hmmm 14:54 kf bug 5347 14:54 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5347 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jonathan.druart, ASSIGNED , late order management 14:54 kf we have a disgreement here :) some more opinions needed :) 14:55 alex_a does anyone know why "acqui/fetch_sort_dropbox.pl" no more exists in koha 3.6 14:55 alex_a ? 14:55 kf what's it supposed to do? 14:56 kf and not sure alex_a - what does git say? 14:56 * oleonard wonders if there's a good way to get git to tell you when something was removed 14:56 * wizzyrea was wondering the same thing 14:56 chris_n its not possible afaik 14:56 kf alex_a: now you distracted everyone from my bug question! :) 14:57 jcamins git log -- acqui/fetch_sort_dropbox.pl 14:57 alex_a lol 14:57 wizzyrea git log --diff-filter=D --summary 14:57 chris_n does that work jcamins 14:57 wizzyrea says googlez 14:57 kf hm it's stilll inked from acq.js 14:57 alex_a git log -p | grep fetch_sort_dropbox.pl give me so many things 14:57 jcamins chris_n: seems to. 14:58 chris_n very nice 14:58 jcamins It does something, anyway. 14:58 chris_n heh 14:58 jcamins Everything to do with acquisitions is gibberish, so I can't say if it's telling us the correct things. 14:58 alex_a jcamins: thx :) 14:58 kf http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git&a=search&h=HEAD&st=grep&s=fetch_sort_dropbox&sr=1 14:58 jcamins alex_a: you're welcome. 14:59 * chris_n breaks down and reads the manual 15:00 chris_n a cool enh would be to link the name of the syspref in the admin interface to the exact spot in the online docs 15:00 wizzyrea oh, that would be cool. 15:01 chris_n or even have a tool-tip which contained the basic description 15:01 kf both cool ideas 15:02 kf but make it fetch the description from the manual perhaps... 15:02 chris_n hmm 15:02 chris_n am I missing something or is there no help for ceilingDueDate in the 3.6 manual? 15:02 wizzyrea ceiling due date i think is not what you're looking for 15:03 chris_n globalDueDate 15:03 chris_n ? 15:03 jcamins No, I think that's right. 15:03 jcamins It's the latest date on which something can be due. 15:03 chris_n ceiling sounds like what I want, but I'm not sure what I want 15:03 wizzyrea http://screencast.com/t/pI6mPd2D4gge 15:03 chris_n opps 15:03 wizzyrea that could suck if you have lots of rules 15:04 chris_n the production system is not at that version yet :P 15:04 wizzyrea oic 15:04 chris_n so ceilingDueDate won't work you think? 15:04 wizzyrea well it should 15:04 wizzyrea in theory 15:04 jcamins chris_n: I don't see it in the manual either. 15:05 chris_n well, we'll find out if that works 15:05 chris_n a description sure would be nice, though... for those who are not risk takers 15:06 chris_n just got to remember to unset it when they open back up :) 15:06 jcamins @later tell nengard Are hard due dates documented in the manual? 15:06 huginn` jcamins: The operation succeeded. 15:06 nengard jcamins yes 15:06 jcamins nengard: oh, you're here. 15:06 nengard http://manual.koha-community.org/3.6/en/patscirc.html#circfinerules 15:07 wizzyrea yea, but that's not the syspref ceilingduedate 15:07 wizzyrea chris_n: what version *is* your production using? 15:07 nengard didn't we remove the ceilingduedate preference? 15:07 wizzyrea because I'm pretty sure the manuals for all of the 3.2+ versions are available 15:07 wizzyrea perhaps you were poking at the wrong one ;) 15:08 jcamins nengard: tell larryb to check the expiration headers on manual.k-c.org. 15:08 chris_n from the commit message: This adds a feature and system preference: ceilingDueDate. If this is 15:08 chris_n set to a valid ( according to dateformat syspref ) date, then calculated 15:08 chris_n due dates will be less than this date. 15:08 sekjal global and ceiling due dates were removed in favour of the Hard Due Dates dev 15:08 chris_n ahh 15:08 sekjal this puts the controls for such behaviour at the circ matrix level, instead of a system-wide level 15:08 chris_n that's what I get for running an old version 15:08 jcamins nengard: the reason I didn't see it is that I had a *really old* version cached. 15:08 sekjal also adds "floor due date" 15:08 wizzyrea http://manual.koha-community.org/3.2/en/administration.html#circprefs 15:08 wizzyrea ctrl-f -> ceiling 15:08 alex_a found ! bug 6181 15:09 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6181 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, colin.campbell, ASSIGNED , Remove CGI::scrolling_list from C4:Budgets 15:09 jcamins chris_n: sorry, I thought we were talking about hard due dates all along. 15:09 wizzyrea hey! that's the one I thought it was! 15:09 wizzyrea :D 15:09 talljoy wizzyrea: am thinking point side up is worse. the open ink container is pointing down then right into the coffee. 15:09 * alex_a don't understand why fetch_sort_dropbox.pl has been deleted 15:09 * jcamins didn't know about the syspref. 15:09 wizzyrea well, it has a cap on it 15:09 wizzyrea :P 15:09 wizzyrea it's one of those bic ones 15:09 * talljoy notes she is way behind in her reading....oops 15:10 jcamins nengard: Apache expiration headers, I mean. 15:10 chris_n k, thanks for the help all 15:10 oleonard alex_a: Are you sure it ever existed? 15:10 wizzyrea it did, it was removed in bug 6181 15:11 oleonard Oh sorry, not keeping up. 15:11 wizzyrea all good 15:12 oleonard alex_a: Looks like it was probably just a mistake 15:12 alex_a oleonard: yes. i found the patch: 15:12 alex_a --- a/acqui/fetch_sort_dropbox.pl +++ /dev/null 15:12 alex_a hop ... deleted 15:13 * alex_a believes oleonard is right 15:13 chris_n it shouldn't be too hard to revert 15:15 alex_a chris_n: nope indeed. but i want to see why it has been delete before 15:15 alex_a and make sure i can revert that 15:15 paul_p alex_a & chris_n => I feel it has be deleted silently, without anyone caring 15:16 libsysguy morning #Koha 15:16 chris_n howdy libsysguy 15:16 paul_p it was announced 3 subs were deleted, I (when QAing seem to have miss a file had been deleted as well !) 15:17 libsysguy paul_p that doesn't sound good 15:17 libsysguy hey chris_n 15:17 chris_n maybe we need to pay our QA folks more :-) 15:17 chris_n or at least give them more chocolate or some such 15:17 oleonard Does this revised debarred statement make sense? http://screencast.com/t/gbCHdM8Jgfji 15:17 oleonard I'm trying to integrate the comment clearly 15:18 jcamins chocolate++ 15:18 alex_a chris_n: lol 15:18 chris_n seems very clear to me oleonard 15:18 nengard oleonard that is cute :) 15:18 nengard and clear 15:18 nengard what happens if they are automatically restricted (from overdues) 15:18 chris_n maybe add "this means you!" 15:19 nengard and it should say 'lift restriction' on the button 15:19 nengard not debarment since we removed that language 15:19 wizzyrea indeed 15:19 oleonard Yeah 15:19 * sekjal is motivated by chocolate 15:21 * paul_p start working on cataloguing plugins that make hugin complain... 15:21 wizzyrea seems fine to me 15:21 paul_p sekjal, did you see my comments on bug 7170 ? 15:21 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7170 normal, P3, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Remove use of XML::Simple 15:21 wizzyrea but yea, nengard's right it should say "restriction" 15:21 wizzyrea instead of debarment 15:21 sekjal paul_p: not yet, still getting through my morning email backlog 15:22 paul_p The more I investigate,the more I feel that the solution is persistency ! 15:22 paul_p (which I was sure since a long time, but now, numbers tend to prove this feeling) 15:23 sekjal so perhaps the other implementation that rangi referenced on bug 6193 would be more effective 15:23 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6193 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED , Use memcached cache koha-conf.xml configuration variables 15:25 sekjal kf++ (for signoff on bug 7093). thanks! 15:25 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7093 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, NEW , Placeholders for suggestion table in suggestion related mails broken 15:26 paul_p sekjal, I don't think so, memcache means one more http request to call memcache server, it usually show no speed improvement. 15:26 nengard self around? 15:26 nengard or slef :) 15:26 * jcamins looks at bug 1633. 15:26 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1633 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, kmkale, ASSIGNED , Add ability to take book cover images from local img db 15:27 sekjal paul_p: as I recall, I was surprised by the difference in the NYT::Prof numbers and the actual execution time on the page 15:27 sekjal well, it was an interesting experiment 15:28 jcamins Hm. I guess kmkale won't be around for another 12 hours, will he? 15:28 kf sekjal: thx to you! 15:28 kf sekjal: we are 'almost' there now - the available is still missing 15:29 * chris_n forgets the verbose switch and then stares blankly a the screen wondering why there was no output 15:29 nengard @later tell slef i really need some kohacon dates so i can put it on my calendar - things are filling up fast fast fast and i can't leave the whole month open 15:29 huginn` nengard: The operation succeeded. 15:30 sekjal kf: AVAILABLE notice should work if it's triggered. the trick is making sure it's triggered (I think) 15:30 jcamins Thoughts on me modifying bug 1633 to allow non-cover images as well? 15:30 kf nengard: check the meeting protocol from yesterday 15:30 kf sekjal: yes, the trigger is broken 15:30 oleonard jcamins: non-cover images? 15:30 kf sekjal: the status is not set, I tried receive and an additional check in 15:31 nengard meeting protocol? 15:31 jcamins oleonard: yes, so that you could store additional images of an item. 15:31 jcamins nengard: minutes. 15:31 nengard k 15:31 nengard are they on the wiki? 15:31 jcamins meeting minutes? 15:32 jcamins Ah well. 15:32 jcamins They should be linked on the wiki, at least. 15:32 kf or irc logs? 15:32 wahanui irc logs are ibot's friend :) or at http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/ 15:32 oleonard jcamins: What would you change? Storage of more than one image? 15:33 kf http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/2011-12-07#i_836614 15:33 jcamins oleonard: yes. 15:33 nengard the minutes don't say a date: http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-12-07-18.00.html 15:33 nengard and the wiki doesn't link to the right part of the log: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_Meeting,_7_December_2011 15:33 oleonard "Yeah. I thought we had an agreement, but then what we were mailed diverged in some important ways, so round we go again. I'm 98% sure we'll be 5th-11th June 2012." 15:34 oleonard http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/2011-12-07#i_836628 15:34 wizzyrea oh 15:34 wizzyrea the logs have moved 15:34 wizzyrea to irc.koha-community.org 15:34 wizzyrea /irclog 15:36 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7337] "Debarred Until" display in the opac tells patrons they are debarred until the year 9999 <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7337> 15:36 Oak kia ora #koha 15:36 jcamins oleonard: and add a tab for showing additional images, I think. 15:36 Oak @seen druthb 15:36 huginn` Oak: druthb was last seen in #koha 2 days, 21 hours, 41 minutes, and 29 seconds ago: <druthb> :D 15:36 oleonard jcamins: The way Amazon handles it could be a model 15:37 Oak how was the meeting kf? 15:37 jcamins oleonard: how does Amazon handle it? 15:37 kf Oak: ok :) 15:37 Oak ok :) 15:38 oleonard jcamins: http://www.amazon.com/k/dp/B003ZSP0WW/ 15:38 jcamins oleonard: oh, I see what you mean. 15:38 jcamins Yeah, that would be very cool. 15:56 jcamins What size are cover images supposed to be? 15:56 wizzyrea oh speaking of cover size images 15:56 wizzyrea openlibrary 15:56 wizzyrea it's using the small one 15:56 wizzyrea we should probably be using medium 15:57 * jcamins is looking at local cover images, not openlibrary. :P 15:57 wizzyrea :) I figured as much but I just remembered what I had discovered when testing openlibrary. 15:57 wizzyrea the images are smaaal 15:57 wizzyrea l 15:57 jcamins 173x121? What an odd size. 16:00 jcamins Hmmm... 16:01 sekjal wizzyrea and oleonard re: bug 7337. 'debarred' field is also used in the opac/opac-user.tt for overdues to indicate account is frozen 16:01 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7337 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , "Debarred Until" display in the opac tells patrons they are debarred until the year 9999 16:01 sekjal not sure if that's the same debarred or not 16:01 sekjal can you confirm that a debarred user with items still checked out gets an "account frozen" message in their overdues table? 16:02 jcamins sekjal: what's your philosophy on major revisions to someone else's patch as a counter-proposal? 16:02 oleonard sekjal: I was testing with a user with overdues, setting debarred, debarred with a date, debarred with a comment, etc. 16:03 jcamins Uhhh... where is the Koha namespace? 16:03 wizzyrea ^^ was wondering that myself 16:03 kf hm 16:03 kf I think in kohaclone? 16:03 kf or your directory 16:03 * oleonard checks under his desk 16:03 kf same level as C4? 16:04 jcamins kf: that's what I would've thought. 16:04 kf is it in yet? 16:04 sekjal the Koha namespace would be at the same level as C4 16:04 jcamins sekjal: heeeeellllllpppp!!!! 16:04 sekjal none of our current patches have created it yet, though 16:04 * jcamins is feeling very excitable, apparently. 16:04 jcamins Oh. 16:04 jcamins Okay. 16:04 sekjal hourly loans and the accounts rewrite both plan to make use of it 16:04 jcamins So I didn't do anything disastrous. 16:04 sekjal hopefully so too will Solr 16:04 jcamins How does one create a new namespace? 16:05 jcamins Can I see it in hourly loans? 16:05 sekjal jcamins: just add a Koha directory parallel to C4 16:05 sekjal fill with modules 16:05 jcamins Ah. Cool. 16:05 jcamins Thanks. 16:06 * jcamins resists the urge to bludgeon all the cover images stuff into the Koha namespace. 16:06 sekjal I'd like for the community to agree on a structure to the namespace before we start rushing to populate it 16:06 oleonard Oh, who wants to know about a new error with SQLHelper? :) 16:06 sekjal would be best to separate out tranactional logic from database access 16:07 sekjal oleonard: ::sigh:: do tell 16:07 * chris_n runs away screaming 16:07 jcamins sekjal: I am implementing this now. I can either use modules, or, as kmkale's proposal did, put all the logic directly in .pl files. 16:07 oleonard Just an error in the log, I don't think it's actually serious. 16:07 sekjal jcamins: any subroutines should be pull out into a module 16:07 oleonard memberentry.pl: Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at /home/oleonard/kohaclone/C4/SQLHelper.pm line 361 16:07 nengard woa - just did a fetch and see that i have tags and suggestions waiting on my staff client homepage 16:08 nengard time for some new manual edits!!! :) 16:08 jcamins sekjal: Koha::Covers::Local it is, then. 16:08 sekjal nengard: I know, right?! pretty neat 16:08 nengard neat - but it's bugging me the way it looks :) 16:08 oleonard Uh oh 16:08 oleonard Lay it on me 16:08 nengard the right column is longer than the left now and I'm nuts - it's just unbalanced 16:08 nengard oleonard - totally not you - all me :) hehe 16:09 * jcamins agrees. 16:09 nengard that i'm nuts? :) 16:09 oleonard Oh that's easy nengard, just take away your own cataloging privileges and it'll even up ;) 16:09 nengard LOL 16:09 oleonard Or you could think of it as incentive to deal with those pending operations? 16:09 oleonard MUST. BALANCE. COLUMNS! 16:09 nengard Exactly!! 16:10 nengard see how jcamins didn't answer my question ? 16:10 oleonard Next I'll add some CSS so that as the numbers go higher the blue changes to yellow, then red. 16:10 jcamins nengard: I don't know what you're talking about. 16:10 nengard oleonard do comments show too? 16:10 nengard HA! 16:11 * wizzyrea mutters about not being able to find any items to check out because she needs to reindex her test server. 16:11 wizzyrea this is what making test databases does for you. 16:12 wizzyrea MUCKS IT ALL UP. 16:12 * wizzyrea mutters more 16:12 nengard :( 16:12 wizzyrea :) all ok, just had to let that out -- all fixed now though! 16:12 wizzyrea whoot! 16:14 sekjal wizzyrea: in my (non-existent) free time, I want to write a koha database sanity check test script to run against production systems. 16:14 sekjal might be complementary to your project 16:14 wizzyrea ooo 16:15 sekjal check for things like item values corresponding to proper AV values, codes in all caps, no trailing whitespace in codes, etc 16:15 wizzyrea basically that test db I made has 11x bibs in it and a serial subscription. 16:15 wizzyrea the rest is sample data 16:15 wizzyrea which makes me think 16:15 sekjal also, for some of the more esoteric data structure restrictions in accountlines and reserves that aren't enforced by the DB 16:16 wizzyrea that it might be just as well to add a tickbox of optional data "for testing" 16:16 oleonard I have a home-grown PHP script that checks ccodes and itemtypes against authorised values 16:16 wizzyrea oo 16:16 wizzyrea I like all of these things. 16:16 oleonard Useful because we import most of our MARC data 16:17 wizzyrea [off] every time asaurat is in here I accidentally (and unconsciously) read his name as "asshat" 16:18 wizzyrea [off] there's not even any *reason* for that! 16:18 wizzyrea [off] he's perfectly nice! 16:18 oleonard [off] Too much time spent around asshats wizzyrea? 16:18 wizzyrea possibly :) 16:19 kf grr 16:19 kf why does every block in memberentry have an id except for the main adress? 16:21 wizzyrea oleonard++ love that pending stuff to do display 16:21 wizzyrea so great. 16:21 paul_p chris_n ? 16:21 wahanui release maintainer for 3.2, 3.4, and 3.6. 16:21 chris_n hi paul_p 16:22 paul_p hi chris_n. I don't understand: your comment to 6679: The latest round of patches for this bug do not apply cleanly to 3.6.x. Please 16:22 paul_p attach corrected patches to this bug report. 16:22 paul_p where do you get the patches from ? 16:22 paul_p the git branch ? 16:22 kf wb paul_p 16:22 paul_p kf, why back ? I never left (at least today) ! 16:22 chris_n paul_p: five hours ago there were three commits from 6679 to master 16:22 wizzyrea so ok, we are eliminating debarred as a word? 16:23 kf hm. ok 16:23 chris_n they don't apply to 3.6.x cleanly 16:23 wizzyrea replacing it with restricted? 16:23 nengard yes 16:23 chris_n hence my request 16:23 kf ignore it then ;) 16:23 nengard i thought we had done that already ? replaced debarred with restricted 16:23 wizzyrea it's still in the member edit screen 16:23 chris_n paul_p: actually 4 commits 16:23 nengard uh oh! :) 16:23 wizzyrea and on the button to "lift debarment" 16:23 kf perhaps crept back in with fine in days? 16:23 nengard maybe 16:23 paul_p I understood that. What I don't understand is where do you get your patches from. The branch on git or the attached patches ? 16:23 nengard cause i know i removed it from the button before 16:23 nengard and i thought the patron edit page as well 16:23 wizzyrea possibly 16:24 wizzyrea either way 16:24 wahanui i guess either way is workable though imho 16:24 chris_n paul_p: I always cherry-pick from master unless there is something specific to the maintenance branch code 16:24 wizzyrea i'll nuke it out :) 16:24 wizzyrea again 16:24 * oleonard gets distracted by his report of records with invalid item types 16:25 chris_n paul_p: if a commit does not cherry-pick cleanly, the bug report gets a comment to that effect requesting the author to rebase and reformat if the patch should apply to the maintenance branch 16:25 wizzyrea sekjal: i'm not sure what you're asking about re: overdues? 16:25 wizzyrea and the debarment? 16:25 paul_p chris_n, mmm... which cherry pick fail ? 16:26 chris_n all three 16:26 chris_n four 16:26 chris_n sorry 16:27 chris_n no need to loose time over it; rangi will fix them up 16:27 paul_p the fact is that I had problem to apply them, and rangi told me I should merge master onto new/bug_6679 first, then apply them. I did that, and it worked well from here. 16:27 paul_p chris_n, I hope. 16:27 jcamins chris_n: did you write picture-upload.pl? 16:27 chris_n that's because the procedure you all are using to push to master is different 16:27 paul_p (and jenkins still complaining, but i've submitted a patch for the 3 complains, that are unimarc plugin related -missing use strict-) 16:27 sekjal wizzyrea: if a patron is debarred, they should get that message in the OPAC (as it's been fixed now), but if they have overdues, their renewal button in the overdues table should be "Account Frozen" instead of anything actionable 16:27 chris_n paul_p: but don't worry :) 16:27 wizzyrea ohh 16:28 wizzyrea ok thanks will check 16:28 chris_n jcamins: do I want to claim ownership? 16:28 chris_n jcamins: "long, long ago, and in a galaxy far, far away..." 16:29 wizzyrea and you are saying that it's not working? (I seem to have observed that it does not) 16:29 wizzyrea (as I was just able to renew an item) 16:29 jcamins chris_n: excellent. I'm trying to decide whether it's best to pass file names or the contents of files to a new C4 module I am creating. 16:29 wizzyrea (for a debarred patron) 16:29 jenkins_koha Starting build 17 for job Koha_3.6.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE) 16:29 chris_n jcamins: refresh my memory on where that file is and I'll look 16:30 jcamins chris_n: to clarify, this is for cover images, which uses code copy-pasted from picture-upload.pl. 16:30 jcamins tools/picture-upload.pl. 16:30 chris_n "STILL UNSTABLE" *sigh* 16:30 jcamins Incidentally, there's a bug in the image resize code. 16:30 oleonard sekjal is right wizzyrea, I need to go back and revise 16:30 wizzyrea kk 16:30 wizzyrea sorry I missed that :/ 16:30 oleonard Me too :) 16:31 chris_n jcamins: actually, I only did a massive bit of reworking on it 16:31 wizzyrea sekjal++ for catching it 16:31 wizzyrea "massive bit" 16:31 jcamins chris_n: ah, denying ownership now that you've seen it? :P 16:32 wizzyrea sorry, RESTRICTED patron. 16:32 wizzyrea keke 16:32 chris_n jcamins: hard to tell 16:33 chris_n jcamins: I think I was working off of some cut-and-paste 16:33 chris_n but I am responsible for the larger part of any mess there 16:33 jcamins chris_n: heh. So I'm working on a cut-and-paste of your cut-and-paste. 16:34 jcamins I'm passing the source image in. 16:34 chris_n yeah, and it is ugly 16:34 chris_n passing around a blob of the images is best in my experience 16:34 chris_n /images/image/ 16:35 jcamins Better to pass around the GD::Image or the data? 16:35 chris_n once its a GD object you can do all sorts of manipulations to it 16:35 jcamins GD::Image, then? 16:35 chris_n the object 16:35 jcamins Cool. 16:35 chris_n right-o 16:35 jcamins That's much easier. 16:35 oleonard I remember fixing this bug with restricted opac users and renewals once before. 16:35 jcamins If you said "data," my next question was going to be "how?" ;) 16:35 chris_n I'm safe: 16:35 chris_n =head1 AUTHORS 16:35 chris_n 306 16:35 chris_n 307 Original contributor(s) undocumented 16:35 chris_n 308 16:36 chris_n jcamins: I did write a routine to store them as blobs in the db 16:36 chris_n which is really cool 16:36 chris_n and then a routine to push them out to the templates 16:36 chris_n some folks don't think we should burden the db with large blobs, however 16:36 * oleonard has heard that recommended against before 16:36 chris_n never did any performance testing on it, though 16:37 kf soemthing is wrong with my jquery ( 16:37 * chris_n always argued that your HDD structure is a db 16:37 jcamins chris_n: if they come up with another way of storing large pieces of data, they are welcome to share that. 16:37 kf found it 16:39 chris_n jcamins: here's the routine to get a db image out to the template if you care to look at it: http://tinyurl.com/brzvpyv 16:40 * jcamins suspects that that code was copied wholesale as well. 16:40 chris_n no 16:40 chris_n that is original 16:40 jcamins No, I mean, I suspect that kmkale copied that routine wholeslae from *you*. 16:40 jcamins s/wholeslae/wholesale/ 16:41 chris_n ahh 16:42 wizzyrea anybody have objections to this edit to the sign off howto page on the wiki: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Sign_off_on_patches#A_note_about_signing_off_on_patches 16:42 chris_n probably should include 'prove xt as well 16:42 chris_n ' 16:42 wizzyrea k 16:43 chris_n looks good otherwise to me 16:44 * chris_n notes that the "Test It" subsection is rather barren 16:45 wizzyrea hehe yea 16:46 oleonard I've seen Drupal modules with more documentation than that! Oh wait, no I haven't. 16:46 chris_n lol 16:47 * wizzyrea was always concerned about what exactly the responsibility of the signoffer was 16:47 wizzyrea thought I'd make it a bit more clear, since we had that lovely discussion yesterday. 16:48 wizzyrea "omg they'll cane me if I miss something!" 16:49 wizzyrea oleonard: what was your new problem with sqlhelper? 16:50 oleonard A pretty odd case, and just an error in the log I think. 16:50 * jcamins ponders error-handling. 16:50 oleonard If you have a patron who is debarred and has a debarred unil date... 16:51 oleonard ...and you change debarred to 'no' without deleting the debarred date you'll see the error in the log 16:51 oleonard ...but it doesn't prevent the removal of the debarred flag 16:51 wizzyrea hrm 16:51 oleonard ...and it *does* remove the debarred until date 16:51 wizzyrea this is "fine in days" right? 16:51 wizzyrea or is that something else 16:51 oleonard I think that's something else 16:52 wizzyrea okies 16:52 wizzyrea this is "I want to ban that kid who threw the computer across the room for a week" 16:52 oleonard That's a long time to be throwing a computer across the room. 16:52 wizzyrea hence why he's banned. 16:54 chris_n grammar++ 16:54 wizzyrea fine 16:54 wizzyrea "i want to ban that kid for a week because he threw the computer across the room" 16:54 wizzyrea feel better? ;) 16:55 chris_n well, sometimes folks do let things go on a bit longer than maybe one would think they should... 16:55 * jcamins prefers to give kids the benefit of the doubt for a little while. 16:55 oleonard http://cdn.thegloss.com/files/2011/09/jfk.jpg 16:56 * jcamins awards the "weirdest error handling EVAR" prize to the code that chris_n borrowed. 16:57 * chris_n wonders 16:58 * wizzyrea laughs 16:58 chris_n food calling, bbiab 17:02 * jcamins adds additional features and reduces the SLOC. 17:11 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.6.x build #17: STILL UNSTABLE in 42 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.6.x/17/ 17:11 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Jenkins complaining = fixing number of tests 17:11 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 6679 : Allowing eval require 17:11 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 6987 Make return from Overdues::GetFine consistent 17:11 jenkins_koha * jaker: Bug 7020 Items with no checkouts report does not output call number, barcode or item details 17:11 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7116: White space on item form for bulk ordering from staged file 17:11 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6679 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , Fixing code so it passes basic Perl::Critic tests 17:11 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 7259 - Show a count of items pending approval on staff client home and tools pages 17:11 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 7259 - Show a count of items pending approval on staff client home and tools pages 17:11 jenkins_koha * chris.nighswonger: Release Notes for 3.06.02.000 08 Dec 2011 16:17:37 Z 17:11 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6987 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, colin.campbell, ASSIGNED , C4::Overdues::GetFine returns inconsistent 17:11 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7020 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, jaker, ASSIGNED , Items with no checkouts report does not output call number, barcode or item details 17:11 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7116 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , Item form when ordering in batch from staged marc has lots of white space for hidden fields 17:11 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7259 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Show a count of items pending approval on staff client home and tools pages 17:12 oleonard Man I am so distractable today. Don't show me anything shiny. 17:12 rhcl_away http://static.zenimax.com/bethblog/oldcontent/bright_shiny.jpg 17:14 oleonard Okay, funny story: My family and I were doing the tourist thing in Chicago and visiting the Bean, taking pictures etc. 17:14 jcamins Does anyone have at their fingertips an example of getting a Perl list out of MySQL? 17:15 oleonard This young Japanese woman is having her picture taken, she asks my kids to be in her picture 17:15 oleonard So somewhere out there someone has my kids in their photo album 17:15 oleonard "Check out these American kids I found!" 17:15 wizzyrea also funny, in the Sydney airport trea was playing his uke to pass the time 17:15 wizzyrea japanese tourists kept coming by and taking his picture 17:16 wizzyrea so somewhere out there, some japanese person thinks they saw some kind of ukulele star in the sydney airport 17:16 wizzyrea oleonard: that's a great story. 17:16 oleonard Proof that the ukulele is a traditional Australian instrument. 17:16 wizzyrea i... i guess. 17:17 jcamins What? 17:19 jcamins while (my $row = $sth->fetchrow_hashref) { push @imagenumbers, $row{'imagenumber'}; 17:19 jcamins } 17:19 jcamins ^^ Will that work? 17:20 kf paul_p++ :) 17:20 paul_p kf thx ! (and hope to have you again !) 17:20 jcamins $row->{'imagenumber'}? 17:22 jcamins $row->{'ukelele'}? 17:22 wizzyrea ukUlele 17:22 wizzyrea ooo koo lay lee 17:22 jcamins wizzyrea: if I change it to 'u', will it retrieve data from the database? 17:22 jcamins :P 17:23 oleonard You kew lay lee? 17:23 wizzyrea oh right you're from ohio. 17:23 oleonard Yewkle lay le? 17:23 wizzyrea lol 17:23 kf paul_p: hope I can come - it was great last year 17:24 wizzyrea jcamins: you might look in items.pm 17:24 * jcamins heads into the city. 17:24 wizzyrea lots of pulling lists of stuff from mysql in there 17:24 wizzyrea if you can put aside the fact that it's frightening in there, it can be instructive. 17:25 jcamins wizzyrea: very frightening! 17:25 jcamins However, good call. 17:25 jcamins I found an example of what I want just now, and I did it right. :) 17:25 jcamins I'll be back in a few hours. 17:25 wizzyrea later 17:31 wizzyrea hey oleonard 17:31 wahanui oleonard is the master UI designer of koha or an awesome bug wrangler 17:31 wizzyrea did you realize that we were working on bug 7337 17:31 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7337 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , "Debarred Until" display in the opac tells patrons they are debarred until the year 9999 17:31 wizzyrea does that mean we're leet now? 17:32 oleonard We don't need a bug to tell us that 17:33 wizzyrea hehe 17:33 wizzyrea o/*\o 17:34 oleonard Ooo, scary praying mantis 17:34 wizzyrea hmm 17:34 wizzyrea the * is the sound high fiving makes 17:34 oleonard :) 17:35 wizzyrea :D 17:44 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7337] "Debarred Until" display in the opac tells patrons they are debarred until the year 9999 <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7337> 17:46 wizzyrea oleonard: attachment 6671 is incorporated in your revision? or accidentally obsoleted? 17:46 huginn` 03Attachment http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=6671&action=edit patch, Bug 7337 - Followup - Correcting instances of "debar" that crept back in., Bug-7337---Followup---Correcting-instances-of-deba.patch 17:46 oleonard The new patch replaces the old one. 17:47 chris_n ooo.. huginn does attachments 17:47 oleonard attachment 3! 17:47 huginn` 03Attachment 3 was not found or is not accessible. 17:47 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn`. 17:47 wizzyrea right, 6671 was my patch to fix the buttons on the staff side debar -> restrict 17:47 wizzyrea not my signoff >.> 17:48 kf bye all :) 17:48 oleonard sorry, looking again 17:48 wizzyrea byekf 17:48 wizzyrea oh it's ok 17:48 wizzyrea i'll just fix it if you want, but I didn't know if that was intentional 17:49 oleonard No not intentional 17:49 * oleonard didn't see that you had already obsoleted the original patch 17:49 wizzyrea k i'll fix it - and the revision looks good, renewal buttons are gone 17:49 wizzyrea oleonard++ 17:50 * oleonard really wants to go to Hackfest in Europe 2012 17:50 oleonard I should go and just stay until KohaCon ;) 17:52 * wizzyrea remembers to run prove xt this time 17:53 botanica Hi, I have a new install of Koha, imported MARC from Follett. How can I batch process all records to have a single holding? They imported but nothing has a holding. 17:54 oleonard botanica: If holdings didn't import, doesn't that mean you should start over and try again? 17:54 wizzyrea botanica: koha keeps it's items in the 952 fields 17:54 wizzyrea its 17:55 botanica So, populate 952 with a value before import? 17:55 wizzyrea precisely, and tell the import to bring in items as well as bibs 17:55 rangi well those new fails on jenkins just prove that once again people are not running unit tests 17:56 botanica Gotcha, thanks! 18:02 oleonard 9 out of 10 of the most-checked-out items in our collections over the last 12 months were DVDs 18:02 oleonard The 1 book was Smokin' seventeen by Janet Evanovich 18:03 wizzyrea this is probably reflective of our collection as well 18:03 reiveune1 bye 18:03 wizzyrea bye 18:03 oleonard You were ready 18:03 wizzyrea i lie in constant wait for "bye" 18:03 wizzyrea no, just kidding 18:04 wizzyrea hrm, I can't seem to convince prove to run the tests in xt/author 18:05 wizzyrea oh, nm it worked in the directory 18:18 wizzyrea with a fresh pull I am not actually seeing the failures jenkins is reporting 18:27 rangi running the perlcritic tests? 18:28 wizzyrea oo, probably not. One sec. 18:28 rangi perl t/00-testcritic.t 18:28 rangi I just signed off on pauls fix 18:29 rangi the 00 ones are good to run 18:29 rangi my git hooks stop me committing if they fail 18:29 maximep except 00-load that seems to destroy my web server -_- 18:29 rangi they check for conflict markers etc as well 18:30 rangi weird, works for me 18:30 maximep takes many gigs of ram for me 18:30 rangi u dont have circular symlinks or something? 18:30 wizzyrea hehe that would make it go omg omg omg 18:31 wizzyrea ad infinitum. 18:31 maximep it finishes and runs, just takes more than 2 gigs of ram 18:31 maximep i dont think we have symlinks 18:31 maximep except the main folder 18:32 rangi hmm ill have to test it, I might not have noticed 18:35 * libsysguy is about to be brave and try the authorities import script 18:36 rangi on staging first right? 18:36 wizzyrea ^^ 18:38 sekjal speaking of unit tests, anyone run the SIP test suite lately? 18:38 libsysguy staging? 18:38 libsysguy you mean like a test machine 18:38 libsysguy yes 18:39 * wizzyrea was about to 18:39 libsysguy *also hourly branch is now merged* 18:39 libsysguy cries a little everytime 18:39 bag any package guru's around? 18:40 bag I've got this in my cron.daily --> koha-foreach --enabled /[MY PATH]/longoverdue.pl --lost 30=1 --charge 1 --confirm 18:40 bag and I had edited and changed the --lost 30=1 (and so on) 18:40 bag but I'm not seeing it work 18:41 bag if I edit that in cron.daily -- do I need to re-enable it or something 18:41 bag if not - then I've got a few other things that I could/need to check 18:43 cait hi again #koha 18:43 rangi heya cait 18:43 magnuse guten abend cait 18:43 cait morning rangi 18:43 cait guten abend magnuse 18:44 bag libsysguy: hourly branch is merged? (where?) 18:44 chris_n wb cait 18:44 bag heya cait 18:44 cait I tihnk there is a branch on his bug 18:44 cait or on this bug 18:45 sekjal bag: I think libsysguy means he just merged current master into his hourly branch on his repo 18:45 bag ahhh… 18:45 libsysguy yeah ' 18:45 bag I was going to jump up and down - otherwise 18:45 libsysguy sorry 18:45 libsysguy with glee bag? 18:46 bag yup 18:46 libsysguy yeah i know you guys have a lot of people waiting on it 18:48 sekjal once we get a public test server, we can get more eyes on it, and hopefully find some of the critical/blocker fringe cases you haven't run into libsysguy 18:48 wizzyrea bag - it's not running? 18:49 bag well I've got a few examples of where the data was not changed - so I'd say no it didn't run 18:49 chris_n bag: we're going to begin running libsysguy's branch live in Jan 18:49 chris_n fwiw 18:49 chris_n hopefully that will help scare out bugs 18:49 wizzyrea ^^ and will be supergood testing 18:49 bag awesome! we should really get that merged in… so you could just pull master in Jan :) 18:50 chris_n hehe 18:50 libsysguy ^^^^^^ 18:51 libsysguy if it gets merged by Jan I'll be the one buying the first round 18:53 rangi heh it wont without a crap tonne of testing but chris_n will help with that 18:53 rangi its all the weird fringe cases 18:53 bag stop running master in production and master should become testing ;) 18:54 * rangi never runs it in production 18:54 bag wasn't pointing at you dood :) 18:54 bag heh 18:54 rangi but that would work only for part of the cycle 18:54 rangi cos closing in on release it has to be stable 18:55 rangi but ppl could run testing branches that track master + something 18:55 rangi like libsysguy 18:55 rangi that helps a lot 18:55 * libsysguy has to 18:55 sekjal running master is a lot of work 18:56 rangi yup 18:56 libsysguy otherwise we wouldn't be able to run koha without all the "fringe" features 18:56 wizzyrea expectation management. 18:57 rangi ok my stop 18:57 rangi bbiab 18:57 wizzyrea safe travels :P 18:57 wizzyrea ohh, jing has a "copy" feature now 18:58 wizzyrea for doing things like pasting into email 18:58 wizzyrea very handy. 18:59 jenkins_koha Starting build 18 for job Koha_3.6.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE) 19:02 ibeardslee NZ does have some 'fun' with trademarks .. http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/6112419/Kiwi-kryptonite-defeats-Superman-trademark 19:02 wizzyrea lol srsly 19:05 rangi :) 19:05 rangi back with coffee and a muffin 19:05 wizzyrea mmm muffins. 19:05 bag mmm… coffee 19:05 bag heh wizzyrea - coffee sounds better right now :) 19:06 * chris_n hands rangi a bic pen 19:06 rangi heh 19:06 wizzyrea shush, you should not defile nz coffees with pens 19:07 rangi ibeardslee: when tppa goes through, that will never happen again 19:08 ibeardslee you mean a US corporate will never be stupid? or that we'll never be able to stand up for ourselves? 19:08 ibeardslee .. (apologies to any sane US corporates existing in this channel) 19:09 rangi the latter 19:09 wahanui the latter is what I was thinking you liked to. The former I hadn't been looking at. 19:09 rangi we'll never be able to have nz law apply to anything to do with IP 19:10 ibeardslee there is just so much that is wrong with the TPPA 19:10 rangi there is 19:10 ibeardslee I can't understand how we even think there is benefit for us .. that's 'us' as in us here in NZ as compare to 'us' as in 'USA' 19:11 rangi theres benefit for some people, but they are most definitely the 1% 19:12 magnuse wahanui: forget the latter 19:12 wahanui magnuse: I forgot latter 19:19 rangi chris_n: will make patches for those 3 commits now .. one patch ok? 19:22 libsysguy seen druthb 19:22 wahanui druthb was last seen on #koha 3 days, 1 hours, 27 minutes and 21 seconds ago, saying: :D [Mon Dec 5 17:52:49 2011] 19:22 libsysguy @random quote 19:22 huginn` libsysguy: Error: The command "random" is available in the Factoids and Quote plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "random". 19:22 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn`. 19:23 sekjal brb, #Koha 19:23 wizzyrea @quote random 19:24 huginn` wizzyrea: Quote #19: "<chris> i just want to yell things like don't kick the ball, pass it and Feed the backs" (added by jdavidb at 12:11 PM, July 27, 2009) 19:24 libsysguy cursed dislyxia 19:34 rangi 164! 19:34 wizzyrea to be signed off? 19:34 rangi nope ppl with patches in 19:34 wizzyrea oooo ! 19:35 rangi http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commit;h=90ddf1b2544d26910e3354670ea4aab65eb9b8aa 19:36 rangi from mountain view, CA 19:36 wizzyrea noice! 19:36 cait 164? 19:36 rangi yup 19:37 cait that was fast 19:37 cait what happened after jon? 19:37 rangi jon was 164 19:37 cait aah 19:37 cait very nice 19:38 rangi martine renvoize was 161, adrien saurat 162 and albert oller is 163 19:39 rangi have to fix some frenglish in the docs/history.txt though :) 19:39 rangi Martin Renvoize becomes the 161th developer to have a patch pushed :) 19:39 rangi Albert Oller becomes the 163th developer to have a patch pushed 19:39 rangi english is so annoying 19:39 * wizzyrea nods 19:40 chris_n rangi: that will be fine 19:41 rangi ahh, sorry i put them on as 3 sep hehe 19:41 rangi but they are up there now ;) 19:41 chris_n no matter :) 19:41 * wizzyrea pokes qa on 7159. 19:41 * wizzyrea pokes QA on bug 7157 too. 19:41 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7157 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, wizzyrea, NEW , Improve the j2a.pl cronjob 19:41 cait heh 19:42 cait be careful 19:42 rangi 91 authors in 2011!!! 19:42 cait poking them too much might make them explode 19:42 wizzyrea squee!!! 19:42 cait squeee! 19:42 wizzyrea crikey that's a lot 19:42 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.6.x build #18: STILL UNSTABLE in 43 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.6.x/18/ 19:42 jenkins_koha Chris Cormack: Bug 5604 : Follow up for missing image 19:42 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5604 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED , additional icons for the Seshat set 19:42 wizzyrea i guess the record.t patch hasn't made it in yet 19:43 rangi it has into master, not 3.6.x yet 19:43 wizzyrea oh that explains it. 19:43 wizzyrea der 19:43 rangi thats bug 7141 chris_n btw :) 19:43 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7141 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, fcapovilla, ASSIGNED , The biblio details page in the intranet doesn't work if XSLT is activated and the xsl file contains " " 19:43 oleonard So almost 2/3 of all the developers Koha has ever had were contributors in 2011 19:44 rangi pretty neat eh 19:44 rangi 67 in 2010 19:44 chris_n ? 19:44 wizzyrea oh, when are we having the xmas party :P 19:44 rangi 63 in 2009 19:44 rangi dude you were sposta speak to that at the meeting 19:44 rangi but you were off eating 19:44 wizzyrea MY OWN ARM OFF 19:44 rangi i puts it on the agenda for you 19:44 wizzyrea :P 19:44 rangi but no 19:44 rangi your stomach won 19:44 * wizzyrea sobs 19:44 rangi hehe 19:45 cait lol 19:45 rangi send a mail to the devel list maybe? 19:45 cait it's not too late 19:45 wizzyrea i'm just not as good at typing one-armed. 19:45 wizzyrea much more useful with 2 19:45 wizzyrea yes, I will email the devel list. sheesh. 19:46 rangi hehe 19:46 rangi lemme check the calendar 19:47 rangi how about 22nd december us time? thats 23rd nz 19:47 rangi (friday before xmas) 19:47 chris_n 7141 is in: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git&a=search&h=refs%2Fheads%2F3.6.x&st=commit&s=7141 19:47 rangi hmmm 19:47 cait hm works for me 19:48 rangi chris_n: there is a follow up 19:48 cait will be here until 23rd 19:48 * chris_n feels like a one-armed paper-hanger 19:48 rangi that fixes the failing test that happened after that commit ;) 19:48 rangi http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7141 19:48 huginn` 04Bug 7141: normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, fcapovilla, ASSIGNED , The biblio details page in the intranet doesn't work if XSLT is activated and the xsl file contains " " 19:49 chris_n done 19:49 rangi sweet 19:49 chris_n anything else I've missed while I'm in a pushy mood :-) 19:49 wizzyrea sweeet 19:49 rangi i think we should get a clean build for jenkins now! 19:49 * chris_n pokes jenkins_koha 19:49 wizzyrea make him do it now? 19:49 wizzyrea doo eeet 19:50 rangi !jenkins build koha_3.6.x now 19:50 jenkins_koha rangi: job koha_3.6.x build scheduled now 19:50 jenkins_koha Starting build 19 for job Koha_3.6.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE) 19:50 chris_n go! go! go! 19:51 cait heh 19:51 * cait puts a bowl of cookies into #koha 19:52 chris_n careful... you may cause a stampede 19:52 * wizzyrea gets the popcorn whilst waiting for jenkins 19:52 wizzyrea oo, popcorn. 19:54 cait yum popcorn 19:56 chris_n !huginn botsnack popcorn 19:56 chris_n opps 19:56 wizzyrea botsnack popcorn 19:56 chris_n !huginn` botsnack popcorn 19:56 wizzyrea gah I can never remember how that works. 19:56 cait !jenkins botsnack popcorn 19:56 jenkins_koha cait: you're so kind to me! how did you know that popcorn is my favorite food? 19:56 rangi !botsnack popcorn 19:56 rangi huginn`: eat some damn popcorn you fool 19:56 huginn` rangi: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready 19:56 cait wahanui botsnack popcorn 19:56 wahanui :) 19:57 cait huginn botsnack popcorn 19:57 wizzyrea huginn` botsnack popcorn 19:57 huginn` wizzyrea: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready 19:57 chris_n moody bots 19:57 wizzyrea he's not hungry. 19:57 cait yeah 19:57 * oleonard will have to try "!toddler kidsnack broccoli" 19:58 wizzyrea hehe 19:58 oleonard Maybe you just have to get the command right 19:58 wizzyrea I have a hack for getting kiddos to hold your hand in unsafe areas 19:58 rangi glue? 19:58 wizzyrea ask them to keep you safe. Works on spud every time 19:58 rangi oh 19:58 rangi yeah thats more practical 19:58 wizzyrea lol 19:59 cait lol 20:01 oleonard Hi Rural 20:01 Rural Backatcha. 20:02 Rural Hi. I'm installing Koha on a Debian Squeeze system. Everything is going swimmingly as I follow the instructions at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.4_on_Debian_Squeeze. That is until I have to edit koha-sites.conf. That file doesn't exist. 20:02 wizzyrea I think it does say that you may have to create that file. 20:03 Rural Well look at that! 20:03 wizzyrea After install, edit /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf with details about your site. You may need to create this file. Some example content would be: <example> 20:03 wizzyrea :) 20:05 Rural Thanks. I'll continue with the instructions...and carefully read them. 20:05 wizzyrea hehe np, pop back anytime if you have questions 20:05 rangi yeah definitely use the koha-common package (not koha one) 20:06 Rural rangi: That I did right. 20:06 rangi sweet :) 20:06 Rural Anybody around here have any experience with Horizon? Care to compare it with Koha? (I just asked this on the Evergreen IRC channel and got some interesting responses.) 20:07 rangi Rural: about 400 libraries have moved from horizon to koha 20:07 rangi afaik none ever moved the other way 20:07 Rural And I'm not pro-Horizon. 20:08 Rural So don't worry about my feelings or anything like that. 20:08 rangi the only thing i will say is 20:08 rangi horizon is proprietary software 20:09 rangi i find proprietary software unethical 20:09 rangi so even if it made me coffee and polished my shoes everyday 20:09 rangi it would still suck 20:09 rangi :-) 20:09 rangi others might want to comment on feature comparisons etc 20:09 rangi but thats pretty much bottomline for me 20:09 Rural I've been primarily using FOSS since 1993, so that isn't lost on me. 20:10 rangi horizon is also EOL right? 20:10 wahanui okay, rangi. 20:10 wizzyrea forget horizon 20:10 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot horizon 20:11 rangi its symphony or nothing anymore isnt it? 20:11 wizzyrea horizon is proprietary software. 20:11 rangi horizon? 20:11 wahanui hmmm... horizon is proprietary software. 20:11 rangi :) 20:11 wizzyrea @quote add rangi: I find proprietary software unethical. So even if it made me coffee and polished my shoes everyday, it would still suck 20:11 huginn` wizzyrea: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 20:12 * wizzyrea scowls at huginn 20:12 rangi Rural: have you seen libwebcats? 20:12 anthonyl Hi guys, can you please help me with syspref : "ShowReviewerPhoto". How does it work exaclty ? I dont understand how the avatar is linked to the user. 20:12 oleonard wizzyrea: Can you set your irc client to auto-register you? That's what I do. 20:12 wizzyrea @quote add rangi: I find proprietary software unethical. So even if it made me coffee and polished my shoes everyday, it would still suck 20:12 huginn` wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #171 added. 20:12 wizzyrea I probably could do that 20:12 rangi Rural: http://www.librarytechnology.org/libwebcats/ 20:13 oleonard anthonyl: The user has to have set up a libravatar https://www.libravatar.org/ 20:13 rangi you should be able to find a library who has made the switch near you, they would probably be better to ask? 20:13 rangi oleonard: anthonyl: it will fall back to gravatar too 20:13 rangi and failing that, a default image 20:14 rangi http://www.flickr.com/photos/ranginui/6286655293/in/photostream <-- looks like that 20:15 anthonyl oleonard : I did create the avatar on the website but how does Koha know that user ABC123 is linked to avatar on libravatar ? 20:15 oleonard Through their email address isn't it rangi? 20:16 wizzyrea I was wondering that too, anthonyl 20:16 rangi thats right oleonard 20:16 anthonyl Got it, let me try :-) 20:16 rangi its all based off email 20:17 rangi so anyone @catalyst.net.nz would get the catalyst logo if they didnt set their own avatar 20:17 rangi the awesome thing with libravatar apart from it being libre 20:17 rangi is that it is distributed 20:17 rangi its frankly, cool as hell 20:17 rangi and im not just saying that cos francois sits downstairs :) 20:17 * oleonard didn't realize that about fallback logos 20:17 * wizzyrea either 20:17 wizzyrea that's wicked cool. 20:18 oleonard So how did the default catalyst logo get set? 20:19 Rural rangi: Checking out webcats now. 20:20 rangi oleonard: id have to check with francois, its something to do with looking for a libravatar service at the domain 20:21 rangi so if you had a myacpl libravatar server, it would try that 20:21 rangi its how the federating works 20:21 Rural Wow! That graphic on the mergers of different library system providers is interesting. Whenever one of our proprietary software providers is bought out, I lose sleep. 20:22 rangi thats why horizon got killed 20:22 rangi when your company is run by an 'equity' firm 20:23 rangi its time to get the hell out :) 20:23 oleonard Bad things can happen when your vendor gets bought out, but if you're on free software you can just move! 20:23 rangi pump and dump 20:23 Rural Been there. Not fun. 20:24 Rural Ok. So I've successfully installed Koha and set up an instance (testlibrary). Nice. 20:25 rangi oleonard: For example, if you own a business, you may want to integrate with existing systems (e.g. a staff directory) and delegate authentication to what you're already using (LDAP?). Plus, you can choose what happens when email addresses are not found (display your company logo?). 20:25 rangi http://wiki.libravatar.org/description/ 20:25 rhcl_away whereis ILS Merger Graphic? 20:25 rangi http://www.librarytechnology.org/automationhistory.pl 20:26 rhcl_away TNX 20:28 rhcl_away I'd love to see a Sirsi market share graphic for the past 15 years 20:28 rangi yeah, trending downwards hard 20:28 rangi would be my guess 20:28 rangi looking at 20:28 rhcl_away Wonder if Marshal has enough data to approximate one? 20:29 rangi http://www.librarytechnology.org/ils-turnover-reverse.pl?Year=2011 20:29 rangi unicorn -189 20:29 rangi horizon -154 20:30 wizzyrea #3. Heh. 20:30 rangi http://www.librarytechnology.org/ils-turnover.pl?Year=2011 20:30 rangi symphony + 125 20:30 rangi so approx -200 for the year 20:33 Rural So now that everything is running, and I've got the I've got the System Maintenance page... And I'm getting emails with errors about missing tables in the DB. 20:33 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed! 20:33 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.6.x build #19: FIXED in 43 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.6.x/19/ 20:33 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 6679: catalogue/ now passing perl critic tests 20:33 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 6679 : cataloguing/ now passing critic tests 20:33 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 6679 : Adding license statement and stopping declaring variables in a conditional 20:33 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6679 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , Fixing code so it passes basic Perl::Critic tests 20:33 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 7141 : Changing test to match new formatting of xsl style sheet 20:33 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7141 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, fcapovilla, ASSIGNED , The biblio details page in the intranet doesn't work if XSLT is activated and the xsl file contains " " 20:33 wizzyrea yippee!!! 20:33 jenkins_koha Starting build 20 for job Koha_3.6.x (previous build: FIXED) 20:34 wizzyrea !jenkins botsnack russian tea cakes 20:34 jenkins_koha wizzyrea: yummy! I really like that russian tea cakes 20:34 chris_n yay! 20:35 wizzyrea rural - you'll have to be more specific about your errors 20:35 wizzyrea oh, and you'll probably want to run the web installer 20:35 wizzyrea if you haven't already 20:36 wizzyrea you'll need to go to the staff client url you set up for yourself. 20:36 Rural wizzyrea: Web installer... <searching sounds> 20:36 wizzyrea unfortunately I can't tell you what the url is because you set that up :P 20:36 wizzyrea but it's whatever url you set up for the intranet. 20:39 Rural All I did was 'koha-create --create-db testlibrary', 'koha-enable testlibrary', and set DNS so that testlibrary.blah pointed to the koha server. A database exists in MySQL, but it is empty. 20:40 anthonyl Thanks for your help on the avatar, I'll need to ask on our provider. I think everything is setup properly but can't find what's wrong. 20:40 Rural Ah. I see. Have to populate the DB. 20:42 Rural That didn't work. (koha-create --populate-db testlibrary) 20:43 anthonyl BTW, I present myself :Anthony Laquerre and I am the project manager at www.ccsr.qc.ca. We did a big migration project last winter including 22 college library/70000 users and appprox. 1.2 million items. You'll start earing more of us in the comming months. We just started a "Koha-CCSR community" with everyone. Keep looking working with all of you. 20:44 wizzyrea rural 20:44 wizzyrea you need to run the web installer 20:44 wizzyrea in your browser. 20:45 oleonard Welcome anthonyl 20:45 cait hi anthonyl 20:45 anthonyl Oups forgot to mention that our provider of services is Libéo ( Maxime Pelletier and Frédérick Capovilla ) 20:45 wizzyrea hi :) 20:45 Rural I hear you. I'm looking for it. 20:45 wizzyrea aha! 20:45 wizzyrea we know them :) 20:45 cait yep :) 20:49 maximep I sure know me =) 20:50 maximep btw, missed Libravatar::URL on the server =) 20:50 cait hi maximep :) 20:50 wizzyrea oic, i wonder if that's my issue too 20:50 wizzyrea was just about ot ask about that ;) 20:50 wizzyrea doods I think it's bustid ;) 20:50 wizzyrea but it's prolly not 20:51 wizzyrea is that not among the required ones? 20:51 * wizzyrea didn't have it either. 20:55 wizzyrea now it's working. 20:59 rangi Rural: look in your /etc/apache2/sites-enabled 21:00 maximep hmmm it loads the default libravatar img for me instead of fallback to gravatar 21:00 rangi depending on what you put in your koha-sites.conf 21:01 rangi your staff site would be something-testlibrary or testlibrary-something 21:01 Rural rangi: Like the -intra site? 21:01 rangi yes 21:01 rangi testlibrary-intra if -intra is what you put in the suffix 21:03 Rural Gotcha. And woo-hoo! 21:05 cait :) 21:05 rangi yay! 21:05 rangi http://jenkins.koha-community.org/monitor/? 21:05 wizzyrea yay! 21:05 cait yay! 21:06 wizzyrea looks like 3.4 has some kind of translation thing going on 21:07 Rural That got 'em! Ok. Things are making a lot more sense now. 21:07 rangi yeah those are all fixed in master now wizzyrea 21:07 wizzyrea ok cool. 21:08 rangi also 21:09 rangi http://soundcloud.com/virginmagneticmaterial/joy-division-love-will-tear-us 21:14 Rural I'm setting up libraries now. Is the IP range so it can automatically select the appropriate library based on the source address of the traffic? 21:14 oleonard Oh, wizzyrea, Bug 7341 is a good catch 21:14 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7341 trivial, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Clicking cancel on system preferences search results causes error 21:15 wizzyrea you can thank rangi, I was looking for the libravatar stuff. heh. 21:15 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.6.x build #20: SUCCESS in 41 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.6.x/20/ 21:15 smita hi i have Daven from Singatoka Library, Fiji, who will be soon setting up a new Koha install 21:15 jenkins_koha chris.nighswonger: Release Notes for 3.06.02.000 08 Dec 2011 19:48:55 Z 21:15 wizzyrea hi smita 21:15 wahanui i think hi smita is a newbe to Koha. have just installed 3.4. have totally confused Smita's self with setting up cir rules as a result cannot place hold, can anyone help me please 21:16 wizzyrea forget hi smita 21:16 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot hi smita 21:17 smita bula from fiji 21:17 oleonard See you later everyone 21:17 wizzyrea bye owen 21:19 wizzyrea ok i'm lookin, and I don't see anywhere in the package where we require the installation of the libravatar stuff 21:19 wizzyrea libravatar::url, precisely 21:19 wizzyrea oh oh nm 21:19 wizzyrea I see it now >.< sorry 21:20 rangi :) 21:20 wizzyrea I looked for libravatar, not gravatar. 21:21 wizzyrea but it looks like you only get it if you're using the packages? 21:27 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5327] Unit tests required for all C4 modules <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5327> 21:40 maximep man, I didn't get that it was our client that was talking in irc 21:40 maximep until he said he was 21:40 maximep that was weird 21:40 wizzyrea hehe 21:40 maximep but cool 21:41 rangi :) 21:41 maximep he opened a bug with a copy paste from what rangi said here haha 21:41 rangi lol, awesome 21:41 rangi i hope i said 21:41 rangi "pay rangi 10 million dollars" 21:41 * wizzyrea passes on fixing that bug 21:41 rangi heh 21:41 wizzyrea i'd start a fund tho :P 21:41 maximep "won't fix" 21:42 wizzyrea more like "can't fix" 21:42 wizzyrea "unfixable" 21:42 wizzyrea "flaw inherent in the system" 21:42 wizzyrea i'm sad now. 21:42 cait want cookies? 21:43 * druthb has cookies! 21:44 rangi heya druthb :) 21:44 cait cookies! 21:44 wahanui Cookies are delicious delicacies 21:44 cait hi druthb :) 21:44 wizzyrea ooh, it's a mythical druthb sighting 21:44 druthb @quote get 102 21:44 huginn` druthb: Quote #102: "<druthb> harrrumph!" (added by gmcharlt at 07:42 PM, November 11, 2010) 21:45 * druthb goes :P at wizzyrea. 21:55 cait can I get some comments/opinions for bug 5347? 21:55 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5347 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jonathan.druart, ASSIGNED , late order management 21:57 rangi done cait 21:57 rangi but another one would be welcome too 21:57 cait thank you rangi :) 21:57 cait yep 21:57 cait the more opinions the better 21:57 * cait looks at wizzyrea... 21:57 * cait waves with a cookie 21:57 wizzyrea oh my 21:57 wizzyrea i am not the one to ask about acquisitions 21:57 cait that's not about acq 21:57 cait not really 21:57 cait about notices 21:57 cait and patterns 21:58 cait consistency! 21:58 cait heh 21:58 cait ... ok not trying to influence you 21:58 rangi its notices 21:58 * cait hands you the cookie 21:58 rangi not acquisitions at all 21:59 wizzyrea wow what an inconvenient time for the battery in my keyboard to die 22:00 cait lol 22:00 cait you don't have to come up with excuses like that... 22:00 cait we understand 22:00 wizzyrea what I was going to say, before I had to go off and forage for batteries 22:00 cait ;) 22:00 wizzyrea was "alright already, I'll look and see if I can muster up an opinion" 22:01 wizzyrea oh, yes, I have an opinion. 22:01 rangi heheh 22:01 cait heh 22:02 * wizzyrea saw "order" and went "I don't think I know enough to have an opinion" 22:02 rangi yeah :) 22:05 wizzyrea there. 22:05 cait thx 22:05 cait :) 22:15 cait night all :) 22:23 eythian http://youtu.be/o6KlpIWhbcw <-- triangles 22:37 jcamins rangi: if I'm doing DB access in the Koha namespace, do I need to encapsulate it in something like Koha::DB? 22:38 rangi Koha::Context probably, which at this stage, would just be an ISA for C4::Context 22:38 jcamins rangi: and then use the dbh directly? 22:39 rangi yup 22:39 jcamins Okay. 22:43 Rural Is there an easy way of changing the kohaadmin password? 22:43 wizzyrea rural: you should probably create yourself a new patron 22:43 wizzyrea give that patron superlibrarian 22:43 wizzyrea and stop using your kohaadmin 22:43 jcamins Rural: don't use kohaadmin. 22:43 Rural Fair enough. 22:44 wizzyrea 1. kohaadmin doesn't have an assigned branch 22:44 wizzyrea 2. it's the db user - keeping that pw around is invitation for someone to do Bad Stuff (tm) 22:45 wizzyrea 3. it's the db user... it bears reiterating ;) 22:45 * jcamins once again stares in mute horror at the handle_dir and handle_file routines. 22:45 jcamins What does one say about them, other than "gosh." 22:46 jcamins 'Cause, seriously. Gosh. 22:48 * chris_n snaps his fingers at jcamins to get him to snap out of it 22:48 jcamins chris_n: you look at it and avoid falling into a reverie! 22:49 chris_n they are right nasty, I agree 22:49 chris_n its amazing what 4 years of staring at perl will do for one's self 22:50 jcamins Very true. 22:50 wahanui I know. That's why I said it. 22:51 jcamins The script is still over 200 lines, and I took all the database functionality *out*. 22:51 chris_n my brain hurts trying to re-figure it out 22:52 * jcamins gasps. 22:52 jcamins I just figured out why it has to be a file. 22:52 jcamins system("unzip", $tempfile). 22:52 chris_n right 22:53 * jcamins forces himself to stop looking at this. 22:53 jcamins I will worry about prettying it after it works. 22:53 * chris_n shouts "Don't do it! Don't look!" 22:54 chris_n seriously, if I can help, just let me know 22:54 * jcamins will get it working, then send it to you to generalize. :P 22:54 * chris_n goes off to pour a candle 22:55 smita hi . I am trying to run simple reports through the reports module. when i ask it to count the number of checkouts it gives 0, though we have checked out quite a few items 22:56 smita same with running a report to count the number of items catalogues 22:58 wizzyrea doh 22:59 chris_n btw, if you like hand made beeswax candles check this out: http://myworld.ebay.com/ku4dd 22:59 chris_n my daughter makes them 22:59 wizzyrea ! neat! 22:59 wizzyrea my brother in law makes candles too 23:00 chris_n yeah, it comes with beekeeping around here :) 23:00 wizzyrea nice! 23:00 wizzyrea i imagine you have an opinion about colony collapse then 23:00 chris_n not a problem with my hives 23:00 * chris_n keeps his hives fat and happey :) 23:00 chris_n happy even 23:00 wizzyrea hehe 23:01 chris_n we're working on a new wooden-wick version tonight 23:02 jcamins Should I change the table name to "bibliofiles" so that someone could conceivably put something other than images in it at some point in the future? 23:03 jcamins Okay, let me rephrase that. 23:03 jcamins How important is it that I find a way to do that? 23:03 chris_n well 23:03 wizzyrea oh boy lookit the time 23:03 * wizzyrea skedaddles 23:03 chris_n you could do nothing to the name and just push other images there 23:04 chris_n or you could rename it to something more generic like 'images' or some such 23:04 chris_n which would require only a bit of work I think 23:04 jcamins But what I'm hearing is that you don't feel like the table needs to support non-image files? 23:04 jcamins Excellent! 23:05 chris_n yeah 23:05 chris_n if we want that, we probably need a different table for each file type 23:05 jcamins Woohoo! That's what I want to hear! 23:05 jcamins :D 23:05 * chris_n likes it when the answer makes people happy :) 23:06 jcamins Hm. I guess "CoverImages" isn't such a good name for this module. 23:06 jcamins Do we have C4::Image? 23:06 jcamins No. Excellent. 23:06 chris_n feel free to consolodate the code into a pm 23:07 chris_n if there is much cut-n-paste, it probably should be 23:07 jcamins Oh, it's in a PM. 23:07 jcamins The part where it is abstracted to handle patronimages too is going to get saved for you, though. :P 23:08 * jcamins decides that RmImage sounds dumb. 23:08 chris_n yeah, the problem there is with the zip file syntax 23:08 chris_n it needs help 23:09 jcamins And, you know, the fact that no one can understand that part of the code. 23:09 jcamins I'm actually leaving _handle_file and _handle_dir in the pl because I haven't the foggiest idea what they're doing. 23:09 chris_n I'm not sure where I got it or where it came from or <other-excuses-go-here> 23:09 jcamins Other than, you know, Stuff. 23:09 chris_n ahh 23:10 chris_n handle_dir walks through the results of the unzip iirc 23:10 jcamins The actual doing-stuff-with-images has been moved into Koha::Images. 23:10 chris_n and handle_file processes the files contained therein 23:10 jcamins Yes, but you make that sound so much simpler than it actually is. 23:10 chris_n accidental obfuscation? 23:11 jcamins I think so. 23:11 jcamins Or you had a vendetta. 23:12 chris_n I think that C4::Members might have a few applicable subs as well 23:14 jcamins What's this do: 23:14 jcamins if ($data->param('bibnum')) { $biblionumber=$data->param('bibnum'); } else { $biblionumber = shift; } 23:15 chris_n what line? 23:15 jcamins I'm not sure it's in your code. 23:15 rangi take it from the hashref, if its in there 23:15 rangi if not 23:15 jcamins Oh, it is there. 23:15 rangi grab it from the arguments passed to the function 23:15 chris_n right 23:15 chris_n what he said 23:15 jcamins Line 50 in members/patronimage.pl. 23:15 jcamins What function? 23:15 wahanui hmmm... function is in CalcFine 23:17 jcamins I mean, there's no function. It's just a file. 23:17 chris_n the cardnumber is passed in with the call to patronimage.pl 23:17 jcamins That's the first part. But what's with the else? 23:17 chris_n you may also call it form the command line 23:17 chris_n hmm 23:18 jcamins Ah. And in that case, you specify one argument and it is automatically understood as the card number? 23:18 jcamins Cool. 23:18 * chris_n cranks up putty 23:20 jcamins Hm. I guess there has to be an option to specify an image as "preferred." 23:20 jcamins Actually, that can be a future development. 23:20 jcamins I don't need it. 23:21 jcamins kmkale won't need it. 23:23 jcamins How do I find out the number of items in a list? 23:23 jcamins I always have trouble with this. 23:23 eythian jcamins: the list in a scalar context 23:23 eythian is its length 23:24 eythian so, @list somewhere were it makes sense to have a single value is the length of the list 23:24 jcamins Hm. 23:24 jcamins Would in a call to rand() be a place where it makes sense to have a single value? 23:25 eythian probably not (although maybe) 23:25 * eythian tests 23:26 eythian turns out yes 23:26 eythian $ perl -e '@a=qw(a b c) ; print rand(@a)."\n" ;' 23:26 eythian 2.08902575167577 23:26 jcamins Awesome, thanks! 23:27 eythian actually, builtins are likely to work sensibly as they have defined prototypes that say "I take a single scalar" 23:27 * chris_n is curious as to the purpose 23:27 jcamins chris_n: selecting a cover image, of course. 23:27 chris_n a random cover image? 23:28 jcamins chris_n: right. 23:29 jcamins chris_n: adding a "preferred" flag is left as an exercise to the person who gives a darn. 23:30 * jcamins is not that person. 23:32 jcamins Bet you never would've guessed that. 23:32 chris_n :) 23:37 jcamins How do I apply atomicupdates? 23:39 * chris_n has no idea 23:39 * jcamins runs it from the command line. 23:41 jcamins Bang! Thirty errors! 23:44 jcamins How do we deal with debug flags in packages? 23:46 chris_n maybe 'export DEBUG=1' 23:46 chris_n from the cli 23:46 chris_n otherwise I think you can add it as a cgi param 23:46 chris_n or set it in your apache config iirc 23:47 jcamins chris_n: no, I'm writing a new package, and not sure how to handle it from that side. 23:48 chris_n see C4::Debug 23:49 jcamins Ah. Cool. 23:49 jcamins Thanks. 23:50 jcamins But, uhh, where is it declared? 23:50 jcamins $debug, I mean. 23:52 jcamins Oh, this this use vars thing. 23:56 jcamins Hm. 23:57 jcamins Variables just sort of appear out of nowhere in this script.