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Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady). 23:51 BobB @wunder Sydney, New South Wales 23:20 aarkerio Judit, 17:18 in Mexico City 23:13 Judit good morning 22:35 schuster :q 22:02 francharb ;) 22:02 francharb good night guys/ladies 21:32 Brooke 0/ 21:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7167 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , updatedatabase improvements 21:17 * chris_n signs off on bug 7167 and head out the door 21:09 chris_n git_stash_drop++ 21:02 * chris_n will do that from now on 21:02 rangi just stash 21:02 rangi i never reset hard 21:02 rangi like i said 21:02 rangi yeah 21:02 chris_n :-P 21:02 chris_n but if you 'git am -3 --abort' you end up with changes which have not been committed; if you then do 'git reset --hard HEAD' you end up with untracked files and a messed up index which haunts you forever 21:02 rangi cool, if i get a mess, i just throw the branch away and start again, or just git stash and forget it 21:01 chris_n I'm working on an am branch 21:01 rangi without trying it on a throw away branch first 21:01 rangi i never apply patches or merge or even cherry-pick into my 'clean' branch 21:00 * chris_n wonders if he can just 'git stash' and then forget it is there :-) 21:00 rangi git branch -D my_am_branch 21:00 rangi git checkout where_i_came_from 21:00 rangi git am blah 20:59 rangi git checkout -b my_am_branch 20:59 chris_n and the oracles at #git seem to think that's fine 20:59 rangi what i do 20:59 rangi ahh 20:59 chris_n applying multiple patches and having one bork and doing git am -3 --abort leaves your repo in a very unstable state 20:59 wizzyrea lol 20:59 * chris_n arrives at the conclusion that git am stinks 20:58 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded. 20:58 jcamins @later tell kf wizzyrea is sorry she bludgeoned your alter-ego. She hopes you won't hold it against her. 20:56 wizzyrea sheesh 20:56 wizzyrea not literally! 20:53 rangi heh 20:53 cait ouch 20:53 cait lol 20:53 wizzyrea yes I beat her! 20:53 wizzyrea gnite cait 20:53 cait night all :) 20:15 chris_n but it is probably my own 20:14 * chris_n wants bad for it to be git's fault 20:13 chris_n *sigh* 20:13 jcamins rangi: I think we may have observed this before. 20:13 * chris_n zips up the broken repo for posterity and clones up a new one 20:09 jcamins rangi: agreed. 20:08 rangi i infer from that email, they dont read well 20:08 cait not sure about 3.6 20:08 cait wizzyrea: ah good, both pushed tomaster though 20:07 jcamins Does that "could not find ParserDetails.ini" error on the list imply that they failed to follow the SAX setup bit. 20:06 wizzyrea been marked obsolete tho 20:06 wizzyrea oh no it's on the bug 20:05 wizzyrea supergood. 20:05 cait rangi signed-off this morning :) rangi++ 20:05 cait and there are more template issues - my patch fixes them 20:05 cait not on bugzilla I think 20:05 cait paul emoved the " in a follow up 20:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5974 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Bogus auth check for "StaffMember" role 20:05 wizzyrea bug 5974 20:05 cait 5974 20:05 cait 5974 20:04 trea that's what i suspected 20:04 wizzyrea cait++ 20:04 trea cait++ 20:04 wizzyrea it was an intermediate thinger :) 20:04 trea awesome 20:04 wizzyrea oh there you have it 20:04 jcamins As usual. 20:04 jcamins cait has the answer. 20:04 jcamins Ah. 20:04 cait for which I did another follow up 20:04 cait was a follow up to the bogus patch 20:04 cait you are probably not on master 20:04 cait trea: that has been patched 20:03 jcamins trea: just for fun, run "git status" and see if it locates any changes. 20:02 jcamins trea: probably a good idea. 20:02 jcamins wizzyrea: I agree it would be ludicrous, but that's the conclusion I reach, too. 20:01 trea it's an error on a test install, so i'm inclined to believe that they need to just do another pull 20:01 * wizzyrea imagines that would probably be ludicrous, but has to check 20:01 jcamins What wizzyrea said. 20:01 wizzyrea they're not using EN-GB or something 20:01 wizzyrea is it a translation issue? 20:01 trea hehe 20:01 jcamins :) 20:00 jcamins What?!? 20:00 wahanui confusing is probably "Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?" 20:00 trea confusing? 20:00 wahanui i heard translation was done through the pref files 20:00 jcamins trea: translation? 19:59 rangi yeah me either 19:59 wizzyrea maybe pull again? 19:59 * wizzyrea is looking at that, but I don't see it in my master... 19:58 trea gotcha 19:58 rangi yup 19:58 trea you're saying it should be - [% UNLESS is_child %] 19:58 rangi get rid of the " 19:58 rangi but its a typo 19:58 rangi not me 19:57 trea http://pastebin.com/j6bxtPf7 19:57 trea er, not that 19:57 trea [% UNLESS is_child" %] 19:57 trea anyone encountered this error yet in master while trying to check out? 19:52 * cait now wonders if she does it wrong 19:52 cait to revert the last commit, or similar to go back before that 19:52 cait normally do something like git reset --hard / --soft HEAD^ 19:51 * chris_n either 19:51 chris_n weird 19:51 * cait never had to do that 19:51 cait ? 19:51 jcamins I then have to do git checkout master 19:51 jcamins chris_n: git am -3 --abort always leaves me in detached head state. 19:51 chris_n oh well 19:51 chris_n it seems to do this, but it does not appear to reset the index 19:50 chris_n throwing out the changes which are not committed 19:50 chris_n doing a hard reset should (as I understand it) reset back to HEAD prior to running git am 19:48 chris_n doing the abort appears to do a soft reset leaving the earlier patches in place, but uncommitted 19:48 chris_n the problem arises when doing 'git am -3 *.patch' and several apply but a later one borks 19:47 rangi if i have to 19:47 rangi cos then i can get it back 19:47 rangi then git stash 19:46 rangi do a soft one 19:46 rangi ahh i never hard reset 19:45 * chris_n wonders why git am -3 --abort only seems to do a soft reset and then when followed by a hard reset screws up the indexes 19:41 * wizzyrea will ponder this. 19:41 wizzyrea but, would bump news posts even further down 19:41 wizzyrea on our site 19:41 wizzyrea that would not be terribly difficult to do 19:41 * cait is too tired to imagine 19:40 wizzyrea the double column in the single column layout beyond the first post I could do without. 19:40 rangi yeah that is kinda cool 19:40 wizzyrea hmm I rather like limesurvey's site - latest forum posts front and center on the home page, that's rather neat. 19:32 rangi heh 19:32 jcamins rangi: vote for me as dictator of the world, and I'll require that it be so. ;) 19:32 * rangi doesnt help 19:32 rangi so if i run it, it changes everywhere at once 19:32 rangi i want it to be omnipotent 19:31 jcamins What gmcharlt said. 19:31 cait thx gmcharlt :) 19:31 jcamins cait: it can be repeated more than once with no side effects. 19:31 gmcharlt cait: idempotent means that if you repeat an operation more than once, nothing changes 19:31 chris_n :-) 19:30 cait chris_n: not trying to torture you, only not understanding it totally yet and trying to figure out :) 19:30 chris_n if there are outstanding serious issues with the over-all implementation, someone needs to comment to that effect 19:30 cait idempotent? 19:30 chris_n I'm really only signing off on the functionality of the patch series as advertised 19:30 * jcamins thinks that it should be easier to make updates idempotent with the non-linear update mechanism. 19:29 * chris_n could be wrong 19:29 chris_n so far as I know they are harmless 19:29 chris_n and the installer attempt to do it again in the next version series 19:29 cait true 19:29 chris_n ie, sometimes db updates fail for reasons like duplicate keys where a db update was backported 19:29 cait we have 19:29 cait hm yes 19:28 chris_n the updater should be smart enough to catch that, however, we have that sort of issue at present 19:27 cait to the newer stable release, which also has the change 19:27 cait and later people update from that, with the backported change 19:27 cait and you backport it 19:27 cait was an update with the new system 19:27 cait say the fines in days thing 19:27 cait no, that's not what I meant 19:27 cait oh 19:27 chris_n so there should be no issues going from 3.6 to 3.8 I think 19:26 chris_n well, the old updatedatabase.pl should handle all updates up to and including the one which kicks things over to the new system 19:26 cait say you are updating form 3.6 to 3.8 19:25 cait if you have the same update files, in 2 different versions 19:25 cait wanted to ask: how will it work 19:25 cait i see it :) 19:25 chris_n feeding bugzilla 19:25 chris_n yup 19:24 cait chris_n: still around? 19:14 rangi another 4.2 email 19:14 rangi ? 19:14 * wizzyrea is so lost 19:08 rangi done 19:08 * jcamins leaves it for someone else to respond. 19:07 cait rangi: ok? 19:06 cait check my comment ;) 19:06 chris_n and table sorters there 19:06 chris_n maybe a link to the update page 19:06 cait not sure displaying it there and on the other page works well 19:06 rangi ok 19:06 chris_n it needs oleonard's touch 19:06 chris_n as is, that is 19:06 chris_n that will definitely not work 19:06 cait hah! hehe 19:05 chris_n I agree cait 19:05 * chris_n realizes he was on the wrong page 19:03 jcamins And makes sense. 19:03 jcamins cait: looks good to me. 19:03 cait jcamins: and you have to correct me if I didn't make any sense 19:01 cait chris_n: be nice to git! 19:01 * cait gives git a cookie 19:01 cait and comment on it. so. 19:01 chris_n stupid git 19:01 cait jcamins: you have to read it! 19:01 rangi back 19:01 chris_n it appears the indexes are scrambled 19:00 cait ok done 19:00 wizzyrea :( 19:00 * chris_n needed an excuse to clean house so I suppose this is one 19:00 chris_n oh well 18:59 chris_n only my 5 year old working repo is now throughly busted 18:59 wizzyrea troubles? 18:59 chris_n git has got up and got out 18:59 * chris_n groans 18:58 jcamins Or list. :P 18:58 jcamins On the bug. 18:58 jcamins Just summarize your feedback first. :P 18:58 jcamins Sure. 18:58 cait can I go to slepe instead? 18:58 cait ... 18:58 cait I saw that coming 18:58 * jcamins nominates cait to offer feedback on the bug. 18:57 jcamins Agreed. 18:57 cait and a link to the overview page 18:57 cait think that number should display there 18:57 cait asking if that patch wroks that way :) 18:57 cait yeah they should 18:57 jcamins cait: stable versions should be assigned version numbers. 18:57 jcamins Yeah, eww. 18:57 cait and my next question - how are we to find out what stable version someone is running? 18:57 jcamins cait: oh, in the About page? 18:57 chris_n then one could sort on status 18:56 * chris_n check to see of oleonard is out of the chair yet 18:56 cait way down 18:56 cait page for 18:56 chris_n cait: it needs a table sorter to be sure 18:56 cait http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=6476 18:56 jcamins cait: I'm not looking at the document. I think I didn't understand what you were asking. 18:56 cait pretty soon 18:55 cait I am only saying it display there, will only blow up the page and make it unreadable 18:55 cait then I can check the databse thing 18:55 cait but 18:55 cait I know 18:54 jcamins cait: because you might apply patches out of order. 18:54 cait why not show the last patch successfully applied only? 18:54 cait hm looking at page 4 - will this display not get to be really really confusing? 18:53 * chris_n successfully screws up his repo royally :-( 18:51 cait cute, but I don't have fish? 18:51 cait hehe 18:51 * chris_n hands cait a penguin 18:50 cait chris_n: you know, laptop at home has linux! 18:49 cait chris_n++ 18:47 cait wizzyrea++ 18:47 cait thx a lot :) 18:47 rangi ok my stop bbiab 18:47 wizzyrea cait - done 18:46 rhcl p? 18:46 rangi I need to do 3.6.1 stats 18:46 cait oh? 18:46 rangi oh 18:45 wizzyrea ah ok 18:45 cait only missing on the front page 18:45 cait for the biblibre lists 18:45 cait it's on the page 18:45 cait I think so 18:45 wizzyrea koha-translate@lists.k-c.org? 18:45 cait pleease? :) 18:45 wizzyrea :) 18:45 wizzyrea i saw it 18:44 cait I left a note for you ... with huginn... 18:44 wizzyrea hey there 18:44 cait hi wizzyrea :) 18:44 cait lol 18:44 * wizzyrea giggles 18:44 rangi I hate that band 18:44 wizzyrea magnus_afk: k 18:43 wizzyrea take that! 18:43 rangi Hehe 18:43 lizzy hmm 18:43 rangi its lizzy again 18:42 chris_n slick, nice, and other odd and assorted terms indicating excellence 18:41 chris_n coool == cool too 18:41 chris_n opps 18:41 chris_n very coool 18:41 chris_n and function as stated 18:41 rangi cool 18:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7167 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , updatedatabase improvements 18:40 chris_n cool, bug 7167 patches apply clean to 3.6.x 18:39 chris_n coolaid tends to run everywhere when not in a package 18:39 rangi even without packages 18:39 jcamins With a lot less mess than unpackaged coolaid. 18:38 rangi but the script is still there as a base 18:38 chris_n sadly, what folks should, is often different from what folks do 18:38 jcamins It tasted like coolaid. 18:38 * jcamins has drunk the package coolaid. 18:38 rangi they should :) 18:38 jcamins chris_n: I know. I'm telling you anyway. 18:38 rangi koha-restore 18:38 chris_n jcamins: not everyone uses packages 18:37 rangi easy with packages 18:37 chris_n or "load from sql file" option 18:37 jcamins chris_n: packages provide restore from backup. 18:37 chris_n option rather 18:37 chris_n and installer needs a "restore from backup" options 18:36 rangi good idea chris_n 18:36 chris_n installer's "Select Default Settings" screen needs a "select all" button 18:36 sekjal with sub-objects for Addresses, Phone Numbers, and Email Addresses 18:35 sekjal Patron Frameworks 18:35 sekjal everyone wants to record different info, and make that display differently, and search on it differently 18:35 jcamins Preferably with fewer blobs. 18:35 rangi its a sunshine and ddub day 18:35 sekjal the more I think about it, the more Borrowers need to become full XML objects like Biblios and Authorities are 18:33 rangi full bus today 18:33 rangi *nod* 18:32 sekjal especially in a serials/e-resources type environment 18:32 sekjal not every library does circ as their primary function 18:32 sekjal yeah, that's probably the best plan 18:32 rangi as an option 18:32 rangi to have a delete expired before some date 18:31 rangi changing the batch deletion 18:31 rangi maybe the fix is that then 18:31 sekjal making things inconsistent 18:31 sekjal which, without care, could by-pass the deleted_borrowers table 18:31 sekjal so any expiry-date based deletions would need to happen manually 18:30 sekjal the current patron batch deleter only works on last checkout date 18:30 * jcamins would've thought that most places were batch deleting expired patrons for privacy reasons. 18:30 sekjal but that's kind of excessive... and it's confusing "deletion" with "archiving" 18:30 jcamins In that case, I see no problem with a syspref. 18:30 sekjal the alternative would be deleting expired patrons 18:29 sekjal ~yes 18:29 sekjal jcamins: I think so, yet 18:29 jcamins What's the problem with showing expired patrons? Librarians are getting excessively long lists? 18:29 rangi expired patrons not shown 18:28 rangi the search page could say 18:28 rangi otoh 18:28 rangi hmmm potentially if ppl forgot they had it on 18:27 sekjal is it a good idea, though, hiding expired patrons? would it create more problems that it, theoretically, solves? 18:26 rangi so dont mind more sysprefs 18:26 rangi I for one dont share peoples irrational fear of choices 18:26 sekjal YASP is Yet Another System Preference 18:25 sekjal worth pursuing, or YASP? 18:25 sekjal enhancement idea: syspref to hide/show patrons that are expired when searching in the staff client 18:25 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 7.0�C (7:00 PM CET on November 30, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 30.39 in 1029 hPa (Falling). 18:25 cait @wunder Konstanz 18:24 huginn chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 11.5�C (1:18 PM EST on November 30, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 21%. Dew Point: -11.0�C. Pressure: 29.53 in 999.9 hPa (Falling). 18:24 chris_n @wunder 28334 18:22 huginn magnus_afk: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 4.0�C (6:50 PM CET on November 30, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Windchill: -3.0�C. Pressure: 29.03 in 983 hPa (Steady). 18:22 magnus_afk @wunder boo 18:21 libsysguy cool outside 18:21 huginn libsysguy: The current temperature in Tyler One Weather, Tyler, Texas is 13.3�C (12:18 PM CST on November 30, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: 0.0�C. Pressure: 30.16 in 1021.2 hPa (Falling). 18:21 libsysguy @wunder 75799 18:20 rangi gonna be a nice day 18:19 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0�C (7:00 AM NZDT on December 01, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.45 in 1031 hPa (Rising). 18:19 rangi @wunder wellington nz 18:19 libsysguy hi cait 18:19 libsysguy (and girls) 18:19 cait h libsysguy :) 18:18 libsysguy but i guess its thursday for you guys 18:18 libsysguy glad im past the morning 18:18 cait morning :) 18:17 rangi morning 18:17 libsysguy afternoon #koha 18:14 Oak kia ora #koha 18:14 Oak Guten Abend cait :) 18:13 huginn magnus_afk: The operation succeeded. 18:13 magnus_afk @later tell wizzyrea the MARC flavor of the Libriotech demo listed here: http://koha-community.org/demo/ should be normarc, not marc21 kthxbai 18:07 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7280] Can't place hold without selecting on list <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7280> 18:02 cait hehe 18:01 * chris_n 's teeth hurt now 18:01 chris_n ich 18:01 * oleonard is off to the dentist 18:01 cait I am facing the same problem with a project now - but didn't run into your problem 18:00 sekjal I was just hoping for something quick I could do to make my library happy 18:00 cait yep 18:00 cait perhaps better spend the time to make the configurable facets in the solr branch working for zebra 18:00 sekjal all this will be solved with Solr, I'm sure 18:00 cait I think starting to rebulid search.pm now is not a good time 18:00 sekjal would be easier, probably to just move 942$c to $y 17:59 jcamins Right. 17:59 sekjal which escalates the time necessary to do the work 17:59 sekjal yeah 17:59 jcamins Sounds like an overhaul of GetFacets is required, then. 17:59 sekjal it's a hot mess 17:59 jcamins Eww. 17:58 sekjal then C4::Search::getRecords builds on that 17:58 jcamins Oh. Hm. 17:58 sekjal C4::Koha::GetFacets 17:58 sekjal jcamins: no 17:58 jcamins sekjal: ah, I thought that Zebra handled faceting. 17:58 sekjal I mean, I could probably specify multiple subfields 17:57 sekjal they're not associated 17:57 sekjal different fields, yes, but not subfields 17:57 sekjal I can't put different fields+subfields into the same facet 17:57 sekjal and the GetFacets subroutine is written poorly 17:57 sekjal it's facets I need to get working 17:57 sekjal jcamins: search is all set now 17:57 jcamins sekjal: right, and I'm confused about why there's a problem after you added 942$c to the itype index. 17:56 sekjal jcamins: being able to do item-type limits in search for electronic materials or serials, and still get results, even if there are no item records 17:56 chris_n I think I've figured it out :P 17:56 sekjal chris_n: not yet 17:55 cait but can perhaps be worked around. 17:55 cait because we don't use it at all as I said 17:55 cait I think i am worried about our setups 17:55 jcamins What's the problem you're facing? 17:54 cait you will have both indexed 17:54 cait yes, but falling back? 17:54 sekjal the 942$c value gets put into the itype index as well as the itemtype index 17:54 magnus_afk chris_n: paul_p left a little while back 17:54 chris_n ahh sekjal: have you tested 7167? 17:54 cait hm. 17:54 sekjal we've done it 17:54 cait falling back I mean 17:54 chris_n paul_p about? 17:54 cait so that will get hard anyway 17:53 cait you can't do that with indexing 17:53 sekjal like serials and electronic materials 17:53 sekjal they want item level itypes for records with items, but a fallback to biblio level item types for item-less biblios 17:53 cait we don't use them at all or set all to NORMAL 17:53 cait wouldn#t for us 17:53 cait not sure mixing and matching always makes sense 17:53 magnus_afk (normarc does items the same way as marc21, in 952, btw ;-) 17:53 sekjal the project I'm looking at requires mixing and matching 17:53 cait that's what I would do 17:53 cait you have to check the syspref item_level-itypes too 17:53 sekjal 942$c and 952$y in MARC21 17:53 cait hm yes 17:52 sekjal item type info is in two places 17:52 cait ah 17:52 cait yep 17:52 sekjal but within a flavour 17:52 cait ype 17:52 cait does it already do now 17:52 sekjal that's in tehre 17:52 cait check of rthe marc flavour, build facets accordingly 17:52 sekjal cait: right, I can do it different based on flavour 17:52 cait in Search.pm 17:52 cait you can put a if (MARC21) in 17:52 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6291 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Cart printing truncated in Firefox 17:52 sekjal just the way the code is written up 17:52 jenkins_koha paul.poulain: Revert "Fix for Bug 6291, Cart printing truncated in Firefox" 17:52 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #544: STILL UNSTABLE in 48 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/544/ 17:52 cait but 17:52 cait ah, but not from different subfields? 17:52 sekjal but not 700a, 710b and 720c 17:52 sekjal you can have 700, 710 and 720, all pulling from 'a' 17:51 cait I have done that for a curent project 17:51 cait adding new facets is quite easy 17:51 cait ah 17:51 sekjal it doesn't seem to be able to associate those with different subfields 17:51 cait 414 ('200', 'b', 'type de document', '', 1, 1, 'biblioitems.itemtype', 2, 'itemtypes', '', '', 0, 0, '', NULL, '', ''), 17:51 sekjal while it can take multiple fields 17:51 sekjal but the way the code is written in C4::Koha::GetFacets 17:51 jcamins sekjal: that was a suggestion. 17:50 sekjal no, existing 17:50 jcamins sekjal: new index? 17:50 sekjal but not both mixed together 17:50 sekjal I'm pretty sure I can do it for item-level itypes, or for biblio-level itemtypes 17:49 sekjal I'm trying to add Item Type as a Facet in search results 17:49 cait yep, but not sure about biblio level things 17:49 jcamins Yeah, 995 sounds right. 17:49 cait it's what I normally do :) 17:49 sekjal for items 17:49 sekjal seeing something in there about 995 fields 17:48 sekjal cait: good idea 17:48 cait sekjal: check the framework files for the mappings? 17:48 jcamins I just recall this being a problem. 17:48 jcamins And I'm not an expert. 17:47 * jcamins can state that he's pretty sure UNIMARC does not, but that's not confirmation. 17:47 sekjal can anyone currently in chat confirm that UNIMARC also puts item types in 942$c and 952$y like MARC21 does? 17:46 indradg cait, hi :) 17:45 cait hi indradg 17:45 huginn indradg: libsysguy was last seen in #koha 23 hours, 7 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: <libsysguy> cait++ 17:45 indradg @seen libsysguy 17:39 jcamins chris_n: looks like libsysguy has figured out how to share his rebased branches. 17:38 cait back 17:32 schuster OK guess I'll have to do some testing thanks 17:22 paul_p OK, it's time to go back home for me. tomorrow morning meeting in AixMarseille universities, I should be back at 2PM (french time, GMT+1) 17:13 jcamins schuster: I have no explanation. 17:12 kf I have to leave - and still hoping only the help text is confusing there! 17:11 jcamins kf: yeah, that doesn't seem right. 17:08 kf scary thought 17:08 kf jcamins: seems unlikely the zebraqueue can''t deal with deletes? 17:07 oleonard schuster: The same it true for deletions. I don't think it's something to be too worried about 17:07 paul_p chris_n, yep, that hurts. and in France, libraries are complaining their audience is going lower and lower... maybe this explain that... (you don't want me ? OK, I won't annoy you anymore, and never come back) 17:04 schuster That is from the documentation page. 17:04 schuster Important It is important to rebuild your zebra index immediately after merging records. If a search is performed for a record which has been deleted Koha will present the patrons with an error in the OPAC. 17:04 jenkins_koha Starting build 544 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #491 1 mo. 12 j ago) 17:03 jcamins schuster: it calls for a full reindex? That doesn't seem quite right. 17:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7272 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , Fix for Bug 6328 causes user accounts to be frozen (SIP2) 17:03 jenkins_koha paul.poulain: Bug 7272 setting NULL to debarred field, to avoid having 0000-00-00 17:03 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #543: STILL UNSTABLE in 49 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/543/ 17:02 oleonard schuster: indexing should be running regularly anyway 17:02 schuster so how does the merge feature in 3.4/6 work with those that are hosted? If you do merges then the hosting company has to reindex everything for you? Do you do merges once a month or how are you handling that? Refering to the docs on merge at the end says you must reindex 17:01 kf especially during exams / end of semester 17:00 kf people here tend to pay fines if they get to keep the books 17:00 chris_n ok, lunch.... 16:53 * magnuse has never heard of libraries in norway doing that 16:52 chris_n especially with papers due, etc... 16:52 chris_n wow... that hurts 16:51 paul_p chris_n, right. Usual behaviour in academic libraries (and many public) is : "you're 7 days late, you cant check out for 7 days" 16:51 reiveune bye 16:51 kf thx :) 16:51 paul_p kf, OK, will do an OOo/PDF document 16:49 kf yep 16:49 chris_n "the other thing..." being M$ 16:49 kf chris_n: afaik yes 16:49 chris_n lol 16:49 kf paul_p: could you plz do a pdf this time too? OOo is a bit hard if you have to use the other thing... 16:48 chris_n fines in days == debarment rather than $$$? 16:48 kf paul_p: it's not something we do here at all - might be similar for other places 16:48 wahanui OK, chris_n. 16:48 chris_n wahanui: paul_p is the 3.8 release manager, and is very tall, and does not like coffee. 16:48 kf paul_p: I never heard about fines in days before seeing your development 16:47 wahanui chris_n: I forgot paul_p 16:47 chris_n wahanui: forget paul_p 16:47 kf paul_p: I think that would be great 16:47 kf I only made sure it doesn't break things we use .) 16:47 chris_n hehe 16:47 wahanui paul_p is the 3.8 release manager, and is very tall. 16:47 chris_n paul_p? 16:47 * chris_n either 16:47 kf I don't understand how it works in parts 16:47 kf I can't really 16:46 chris_n kf: would you work up an email to the dev and user list regarding this? 16:46 paul_p with some screenshots. 16:46 paul_p I could write an OOo document about that 16:46 paul_p agreed. 16:46 chris_n yup 16:46 kf but we need to document how it works 16:46 paul_p kf, my concern here is that it will be *hard* to keep 2 versions of the debarred field behaviour 16:46 kf yeah, I think it's ok 16:45 chris_n I tend to agree with paul_p on the syspref thought 16:45 kf paul_p: not instisting on one - although we disagree about sysprefs :) 16:45 kf chris_n: hehe yes 16:45 chris_n kf: perhaps a huge, red banner warning when the webinstaller runs for the update :-) 16:45 paul_p kf, no (for a syspref to have it or no) ! that would add more risk of instability 16:45 kf I really don't like that bug 16:44 kf it also broke tests 16:44 kf and I really really hope no more problems appear with it 16:44 kf but we should document it's a major change 16:44 chris_n agreed 16:44 kf orperhaps we can cover it with one of nicole's videos and release notes 16:44 paul_p chris_n, about fine in days = maybe also ask koha@ ML 16:44 chris_n which means asap 16:44 kf we could make it a system preference 16:44 kf so perhaps we have to backport fines in days... 16:43 chris_n paul_p: I'm agree that if we are going to implement the db update enh, we need to do it while the branches are in sync 16:43 chris_n maybe this should be written up and posted to the dev list for some discussion 16:42 kf so basically, it hasn't been repaired since release of 3.2 16:42 kf yeah, it is in 3.2 16:42 paul_p (kf maybe you're right for 3.2) 16:42 kf only not working 16:42 wahanui i heard the field was mandatory or not 16:42 kf the field 16:42 kf I think fines in days is even in 3.2! 16:42 kf the code was not submitted - sorry to say that 16:41 kf paul_p: it was reported it didn't work 16:41 paul_p s/supposed/announced/ 16:41 paul_p chris_n, => all french libraries, and many european others *need* this feature, that was supposed to be in 3.4 ! 16:41 kf you were able to configure fines in days in the circ matrix, but nothing more than that 16:41 chris_n a broken "new" feature 16:41 chris_n ahh 16:41 kf meaning 16:41 kf chris_n: it's a bug because it never worked... 16:41 kf and still worried what we might hav emissed 16:41 chris_n I am predisposed to back port all bugs and would need strong persuasion not to 16:41 paul_p kf, you may be right, that may confuse librarians (ie: debarred becoming a date suddenly...) 16:40 kf paul_p: I am worried it might be confusing - people don't expect htat much of a change with a minor release update 16:40 * chris_n will have to look at the bug 16:40 jcamins Ah. 16:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6328 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , Fine in days does not work 16:40 jcamins bug 6328 16:40 paul_p kf++ 16:40 paul_p (here almost all of our libraries have fines in days. That's one of the reason we haven't deployed 3.4) 16:40 kf fines in days != hourly loans 16:40 sekjal 6328 was pretty huge. 16:40 kf chris_n: different feature - fines in days 16:39 * chris_n is puzzled 16:39 chris_n so do we do hourly loans already? 16:39 kf it appears as a new feature there - will confuse librarians 16:39 kf and a lot of changes in the interface 16:39 kf still not sure we caught it all 16:39 kf which is what gave us so much headache! 16:39 kf it changes a lot at api level 16:38 paul_p chris_n, I think it should, as it's a bug ! 16:38 kf but fines in days is debatable imho 16:38 kf you wrote you only pushed bug fixes so far 16:38 chris_n back port 16:38 kf into 3.6 16:38 kf no 16:38 paul_p kf what do you mean by 'go back' ? revert ? 16:38 chris_n it should not imho 16:38 kf paul_p: can/should the fines in days go back? I am still a bit worried about that 16:38 chris_n I plan to test the db code today/tomorrow and will sign off 16:37 kf yay :) 16:37 chris_n I think so 16:37 paul_p kf, it seems 16:36 kf :) 16:36 kf so chris_n and paul_p agree now? 16:34 kf chris_n: 7250 16:33 kf reading back 16:33 kf sorry, had to talk to someone 16:24 oleonard Looks like PTFS finally shut down biblios.net's z3950 server 16:23 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Revert "Fix for Bug 6291, Cart printing truncated in Firefox" <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c7ef4da571cc5451e4922a0ad0f5a2d285d91f77> 16:23 paul_p chris_n, let me kiss you :D That was exactly how I thought "stable" should/could be handled, but many disagreed (was for 3.0 release afaik). The more against the idea is no more in the project, and has sell his company to another US company though, so we should not care ;-) 16:22 chris_n paul_p: we have devil's advocates in english too ;-) 16:21 chris_n mucking around with someone's data could be disastrous 16:20 chris_n talk about potentially unstable code dumped into the stable branch... :-P 16:20 chris_n paul_p: probably the real issue there is the major db schema changes 16:20 paul_p (playing devil advocate here -frenchism suspected-) 16:20 paul_p well, but the feature for circulation already exist, minor ergonomic change, no change if you don't want to use it... 16:19 chris_n but with my Koha Release Maintainer's hat on, it probably won't make the grade 16:19 chris_n well, with my Koha administrator and librarian hat on, it is very desirable 16:19 jcamins Big change from the user's point of view. 16:19 * paul_p think it's debatable for hours... 16:19 jcamins paul_p: new feature! 16:19 paul_p hourly loans for example ? new feature or desirable improvement ? 16:18 paul_p (evn if, sometimes, it must be hard to decide it it's a desirable improvement or a real new feature) 16:18 jcamins There were a few scripts that had to be added to 3.4 to retroactively fix data errors caused by bugs. 16:18 chris_n ie the user does not "see" it 16:18 chris_n paul_p: also, if it is an administrative sort of "feature" ie. new scripts, etc 16:18 paul_p chris_n, gotcha ! 16:17 chris_n paul_p: it is a candidate for back porting if it is not a "new feature" and if it offers a desirable improvement on an existing feature 16:17 paul_p well, in fact, i've nothing against this idea, as the new system would handle this case with ease, it's just that i'm uncomfortable with this "new stuff" being in stable. 16:17 jcamins chris_n: you may need to walk him through setting up some of that, since he got much of his git instruction from me, but if you send him an e-mail, I am 100% sure he will do everything he can for you. 16:16 chris_n paul_p: that's why I'm contending for back porting the db improvement 16:16 paul_p chris_n, how do you decide if something must be ported to stable and what shouldnot ? 16:16 paul_p chris_n & kf, right. But how would be deal with a large ENH, from user pov, that would not be pushed into stable ? (like hourly loans ?) 16:15 chris_n a clone of his repo would make switching back if things blew up real easy 16:15 jcamins chris_n: libsysguy regularly rebases hourly loans. Just did it yesterday. He'd be happy to share. 16:15 paul_p chris_n, jonathan & my patch could be squashed, but as there are 2 different authors, I thought it was better to keep 2. The 3rd one is here for sample only 16:14 chris_n right 16:14 kf chris_n, paul_p: not only enhancements require database update, we had bugfixes doing that too 16:14 chris_n bug number? 16:14 kf can I interest you in backporting a fix for stage_marc-biblios? ) 16:14 chris_n I'll have three weeks to accomplish the feat 16:14 kf :) 16:13 * chris_n keeps good backups :-) 16:13 jenkins_koha Starting build 543 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #491 1 mo. 12 j ago) 16:13 kf you will have to be careful with that 16:13 kf updates a lot in your existing circulation data 16:13 kf of columns 16:13 kf changes types 16:13 wahanui hourly loans are indeed on the horizon, that would help you. Patron records can be kept indefinitely (though probably you'd want to archive them periodically 16:13 kf hourly loans 16:13 kf yes, but what I mean is 16:12 chris_n kf: I expect a bunch of data issues as we are some where on 3.5.x 16:12 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'new/bug_6328' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=87311ca00e6287022532799f10881366cc55b2ae> / Bug 7272 setting NULL to debarred field, to avoid having 0000-00-00 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=384b9179e0ee916d7bec59dbb86cdee7d2ce0177> 16:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7167 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , updatedatabase improvements 16:12 chris_n paul_p: any chance those patches for bug 7167 could be squashed to one for easy pulling with git bz? 16:11 kf and it changes a lot in the database 16:11 kf you might get a lot of pain with rebasing 16:10 chris_n and course related resources 16:10 chris_n easier, even 16:09 chris_n circulating reference items will be easer that way 16:09 magnuse chris_n++ 16:09 jcamins chris_n++ 16:09 chris_n I may try to put hourly loans into production and test it that way 16:08 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7270] Removing double itemtype on shelve contents page when no icon is shown <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7270> 16:08 * chris_n is hoping to upgrade his production system over the holiday break 16:07 kf and this changes a lot 16:07 kf a system preference with a different setting can sometimes change a lot 16:07 kf circ is a critical module - I think we need more people looking at it 16:06 * chris_n looks 16:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED , Hourly Loans 16:06 kf bug 5549 16:05 kf I think it waits for another sign-off 16:05 chris_n paul_p: so what is the hangup with hourly loans? 16:02 chris_n incidentally, my mother has never drunk coffee, but makes the best pot of coffee I've ever had :-) 16:02 paul_p chris_n, yep, that's also why i've said in my last mail "let's continue on koha-devel" 16:01 chris_n paul_p: this is a stimulating conversation, but I'd love to hear others chime in 16:01 chris_n wahanui is selfish 16:01 chris_n ouch 16:00 wahanui ...but chocolate is finite, we ate it all :)... 16:00 chris_n wahanui: chocolate is the most wonderful thing among food 15:59 wahanui i am a repository of important and useful and accurate information or at least partially slow. 15:59 kf wahanui! 15:58 wahanui chocolate is finite, we ate it all :) 15:58 kf chocolate... 15:58 paul_p hi chris_n (thx but I don't drink coffee -don't like it-. Just finished some chocolate with nuts though ;-) ) 15:54 * chris_n hands paul_p a cup of espresso 15:54 chris_n everyday++ 15:52 magnuse holiday is worth a ++ in my book 15:47 jcamins saturday++ 15:47 kf we will see about friday 15:47 kf no, only having a bad week so far 15:46 paul_p kf, which day is worth a ++ ? friday ? 15:46 kf doesn't make a lot of difference 15:46 kf ok, today is wednesday... wednesday-- 15:46 jcamins Heh. 15:45 kf tuesday-- tuesday-- 15:45 kf um 15:45 kf tuesday++ 15:44 jcamins Hello. 15:44 bag hi there paul_p 15:44 paul_p hi jcamins & rhcl & other ppl that just wake up ! 15:26 jcamins_away chris_n: brave! 15:24 jcamins_away The cat is now sitting across the table from me, winning a staring contest with the window. 15:24 rhcl jacnip? 15:24 jcamins_away magnuse: maybe so. 15:24 magnuse jcamins_away: 'cause it's made from catnip? 15:24 rhcl my TS people are reporting borkened images here too 15:24 jcamins_away The cat (not mine) just hopped onto the chair next to me, and is staring at me. 15:23 jcamins_away Why do cats like my jacket so much? 15:23 oleonard s/?/??? 15:22 rhcl s/amazon/????? 15:20 * oleonard discovers there's a city in Ohio called "Washington Court House" 15:20 kf I am very frustrated right now about privacy things... please don't ask 15:20 kf yep 15:20 oleonard kf: That will be true of any external source for cover images won't it? 15:19 kf because amazon can see your ip address... and such 15:19 kf our libraries use it... but it opens a can of worms... because of privacy 15:18 chris_n ditching++ 15:18 oleonard If anything is intermittent, it's a glove. A mitten is continuous. 15:18 kf oleonard++ for ditching 15:18 jcamins_away oleonard: So, cover images are broken interglovely 15:17 magnuse lol 15:16 * oleonard is bothered by the fact that the word "mitten" is inside "intermittent" 15:16 oleonard ...if intermittently 15:16 oleonard Cover images are the only thing not broken, and it's starting to look like they're breaking now too 15:15 jcamins_away oleonard: isn't all the Amazon integration broken anyway? 15:13 magnuse s/ends/tends/ 15:13 * magnuse ends to agree with oleonard 15:13 * oleonard will say again that it's probably time to ditch all Amazon integration in Koha 15:09 kf and my coworker has too much to do right now, perhaps libsysguy can, he ran into it yesterday 15:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7272 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , Fix for Bug 6328 causes user accounts to be frozen (SIP2) 15:09 magnuse bug 7272 15:08 kf paul_p: 7272 15:08 kf paul_p: I can't test - that's the problem 15:06 magnuse yeah, or at least be a help 15:05 rhcl google could probably come up with the data 15:04 magnuse would be so interesting to see a pie chart of koha versions actually running somwhere 15:03 magnuse it sure does 15:03 rhcl Well, that version has quite a record of longevity--staying power. 15:02 jwagner oleonard, sounds like the same problem w/Amazon -- some show, some don't 15:00 * oleonard had a report of Amazon covers not showing up just yesterday. Some show, some don't. 14:56 sekjal rhcl: fewer Perl deps in those days, and no Zebra to factor in 14:54 magnuse rhcl: i guess it was more cross platform back then? 14:48 oleonard Hi #koha 14:39 rhcl_away So, uh, who created Koha 2.2.9 for Windows XP? 14:39 sekjal jwagner: thanks for the heads up; we'll keep our eyes open 14:30 jwagner I have a site reporting a problem just within the past day or two. Maybe keep an eye out for it.... 14:30 sekjal jwagner: haven't noticed anything yet, myself 14:29 huginn magnuse: The operation succeeded. 14:29 magnuse @later tell wizzyrea re: gamification - seen lemon tree? http://www2.hud.ac.uk/tali/support/proj11_lemon.php 14:28 jwagner Has Amazon been mucking about with their database again? 14:28 jwagner Has anyone noticed a problem in the last few days with Amazon dust jackets? Some are displaying so the link works, but a lot of titles that used to display now aren't. 14:06 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 2629] Diacritics not being ignored when searching <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2629> / [Bug 7272] Fix for Bug 6328 causes user accounts to be frozen (SIP2) <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7272> 14:02 paul_p kf, if you want to confirm ... 14:02 sekjal another confirmation would be appreciated, though 14:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7272 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , Fix for Bug 6328 causes user accounts to be frozen (SIP2) 14:02 sekjal paul_p: I believe we did the database update suggested for bug 7272, and it cleared up our issue. 13:59 Schwitzd the .tt page where are written these information 13:59 schuster sekjal - that's what I was thinking too - but with possibly 20 items on a particular record how would you decide on one for the facet? 13:59 Schwitzd jwagner: nono not jquery 13:58 paul_p kf, if you want/can test patch for 7272, feel free ! 13:58 jwagner Schwitzd, do you mean jquery? It's not a page, it's a way to use a command to modify the display text. 13:57 Schwitzd jwagner: you know in with page are written these informations? 13:55 sekjal from my experience, MARC leader data is... iffy. Item types are usually more reliable, because the library defines them, and they have to be explicitly set when cataloging/migrating 13:55 sekjal a cataloger may be able to better clarify 13:55 sekjal at least how I mean it 13:55 sekjal schuster: item type is user-defined, and stored in 942$c or 952$y. material type is the AACR2 value in the leader 13:54 schuster sekjal - item type is not part of the leader is it? just material type? 13:53 Schwitzd kf: you know in with page are written this information? 13:52 Schwitzd kf: sorry but I don't understood with jquery 13:52 sekjal which do y'all think would be a more valuable facet to add to search results? item type, or material type as per the MARC leader? 13:49 kf I think it's perhaps possible... but I get a feeling that it will fail for something else then 13:48 kf jcamins_away: ? 13:47 ago43 good morning! 13:47 kf trying to wrap my head around that (xslt) 13:47 kf library wants me to treat the first 5xx field appearing in the code different than the second... 13:47 kf hm 13:47 kf :) 13:47 kf hi ago43 13:46 kf heh 13:43 paul_p not complaining. I never complain !!! :D :D :D 13:42 kf are you complaining about getting good karma? :) 13:42 kf the sip thing 13:42 kf yep 13:42 paul_p ;-) 13:42 paul_p kf, did I make you a favour like magnuse ? 13:41 kf paul_p++ 13:39 kf for a dev install the file should be somewhere in the koha-dev folder 13:39 kf it depends a bit on your installation type 13:37 schuster Then the third was the zebra.cfg limits 13:36 schuster The second error was autohrities/shadow max 1073741824 used 1073739392 available 2432 13:35 schuster The first was mf_write dict-b no more space - but there is plenty of space on the server so something isn't right. 13:35 schuster I tried to reindex last night and received some errors. One of them was to adjust the limits in the zebra.cfg... 13:34 kf schuster: what are you trying to do? 13:34 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7279] intranet print.css width settings causing 'squashing' of columns <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7279> 13:34 schuster where is the zebra.cfg file located? 13:31 Schwitzd kf: thanks I'm reading :) 13:30 kf Schwitzd: you can find examples for jquery in the wiki. 13:30 jwagner (Use-or-lose leave time) 13:30 schuster Good for you! 13:29 jwagner I'm going to be forced to take a vacation before the end of the year. How terrible :-) 13:29 paul_p jwagner, maybe, but it will have to wait for 3 weeks ;-) 13:29 jwagner paul_p, maybe it wants a vacation? 13:29 jwagner That's done through a syspref setting, which is easier/safer than modifying code directly. 13:28 paul_p hello back (why my xchat has been closed silently ???) 13:28 jwagner You can modify the text with a jquery statement -- there's an example in oleonard's post here http://www.myacpl.org/koha/?p=160 13:26 Schwitzd OPAC 13:26 jwagner Schwitzd, staff or OPAC login? 13:26 Schwitzd I want to modify the text but I not able to find the right page 13:25 Schwitzd I have a question about the login page 13:25 Schwitzd Hi to everybody! 11:23 kf but overall good :) 11:23 kf busy 11:23 ropuch_ How about you? 11:23 ropuch_ Good :) 11:22 kf ? 11:22 kf how's things 11:21 ropuch_ Hi kf [; 11:20 kf hi ropuch_ :) 11:20 ropuch_ Hello #koha 10:39 kf at least the proposal is up to date :) 10:38 kf heh 10:06 magnuse will they want the koha version they looked at 6 years ago, or a current version? ;-) 10:06 paul_p (and it's a small library 30k books only) 10:06 paul_p magnuse, right ! 10:06 paul_p will this be beaten one day ? 10:06 magnuse well, at least they made the right decision ;-) 10:05 paul_p just for fun = we've just recieved a mail saying a library agrees with our recent proposal to switch to Koha (made 2 weeks ago). What's fun ? the 1st contact with this library was ... in october ... 2005 !!! not kidding ! 6 years to choose their new ILS... 09:42 paul_p thx huginn ! 09:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7141 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, fcapovilla, ASSIGNED , The biblio details page in the intranet doesn't work if XSLT is activated and the xsl file contains " " 09:41 paul_p (testing huginn) heading to bug 7141 to do some tests... 09:40 magnuse yay 09:40 kf glad huginn is back :) 09:40 kf magnuse++ again :) 09:37 magnuse i'll create wiki pages and send an email 09:37 magnuse yay 09:35 kf should be back from xmas vacationb y then 09:35 kf yeah, sounds good to me 09:35 kf was making tea 09:35 paul_p (only the 3 is already impossible for us) 09:35 kf hehe 09:35 magnuse unless kf objects real soon i think we will nail that date 09:35 magnuse cool 09:35 paul_p jan 6th is the date already booked in our agendas 09:35 magnuse :-) 09:34 paul_p (was 6th december that was impossible) 09:34 paul_p oups, no, made a mistakte, it's OK 09:34 paul_p magnuse, yikes... 6th is a bad date for us. Unlucky man... 09:34 magnuse kf: what do you think about friday 6th january? 09:34 magnuse yeah, lokks like it 09:34 paul_p for january, choose any date, it will be OK 09:33 magnuse so first friday in january is... 6th? 09:33 magnuse my fault for not organizing a date earlier 09:32 magnuse s/ind/und/ 09:32 magnuse yeah, completely inderstandable! 09:32 paul_p magnuse, we have automatically the 1st friday set. But we can alway change. it's just that 2 days before, it's hard. 09:29 kf magnuse++ :) 09:27 magnuse paul_p: have you set a date for january yet? 09:27 magnuse so maybe we should decide on one in january too? to avoid these short notices? 09:23 magnuse i think that sounds like a plan 09:23 magnuse yay 09:22 paul_p agreed with you. was discussing with clrh, and 7th is clearly not a possible day for us (except for me, as i'm dedicating half time, so i'll be available to test/push) 09:21 paul_p maybe we will have our day on 2nd, and you organise GBSD for 7th. 09:20 magnuse i don't think the gbsd necessarily has to align with the biblibre day, though... 09:19 paul_p mmm... moving the GBSSD to the 7th... it's a little bit too late for us: ppl have planned things on 7th. 09:17 kf paul_p: ? 09:17 kf no disagreement I think 09:17 magnuse dowe have an agreement on the 7th? 09:15 magnuse and there is always the "in the timezone of your choice" bit ;-) 09:14 magnuse i think 7th is worth a try 09:13 magnuse so i'll just be hanging around the gate for part of it anyway 09:12 magnuse i have a plane leaving at 8pm, and i think the meeting starts at 7pm? 09:12 magnuse well, some of it maybe 09:12 kf so you will not be available for the meeting? 09:12 magnuse yeah, my thought too 09:11 kf we could perhaps grab some of the people from the meeting and make them wrangling bugs :) 09:11 magnuse could be good perhaps? 09:11 magnuse dunno 09:11 magnuse but i would like try another day than friday for a change 09:11 kf is it good or bad to have it on the same day as the irc meeting? 09:11 magnuse but gbsd should not relay on my availability 09:10 kf santa gbsd? :) 09:10 kf right 09:10 kf ah 09:10 magnuse and i will be travelling 09:10 kf or make it 6th 09:10 magnuse there's the irc meeting 09:10 kf hm 09:10 kf perhaps alternating between firday and another day 09:10 magnuse December 7? 09:10 kf we had talked about switching days around 09:09 kf what about next wednesday? 09:09 kf I had asekd the @eightball 09:09 kf ah right 09:09 magnuse hm, i have challenged kf to suggest a date, but she has not done it ;-) 09:08 kf paul_p: ah, he did me a favor :) 09:08 paul_p BibLibre next friday is planned to be one. 09:07 paul_p magnuse, when do you plan the next GBSD ? 09:07 paul_p kf why ++ ? 09:07 paul_p hi magnuse 09:07 magnuse kia ora paul_p 09:07 magnuse yay! 09:06 kf magnuse++ 09:02 kf good morning paul_p 09:01 paul_p good morning #koha 08:37 huginn kf: The operation succeeded. 08:37 kf @later tell wizzyrea can you please add teh koha-translate mailing list to http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/? 08:34 kf heh 08:33 Oak true 08:33 magnuse now that's what i call a career! ;-) 08:33 Oak cool :) 08:33 kf :) 08:33 gaetan_B Oak: ah not much else to say about me i'm afraid, i've studied library and information science, and then was in charge of a very small library, and here i am working on Koha with you ! 08:32 kf welcome :) 08:32 gaetan_B :) 08:32 magnuse welcome gaetan_B! 08:31 Oak gaetan_B, introduce yourself again please :) 08:31 gaetan_B i can't remember wether i have already introduced myself here so far ? i came to ask questions a couple times already : i'm a new project manager at biblibre 08:31 francharb hi kf ! 08:31 kf bonjour francharb :) 08:29 Oak hello !! gaetan_B 08:29 gaetan_B hello ! 08:29 kf hi gaetan_B 08:20 kf :) 08:19 asaurat sehr gut, danke =) 08:18 kf gut :) und dir? 08:16 asaurat wie geht es dir ?? 08:16 kf :) 08:16 asaurat kf: guten morgen!! :) 08:15 kf guten morgen asaurat 08:08 kf god morgen magnuse :) 08:08 magnuse guten morgen kf 07:56 wahanui hi, julian_m 07:56 julian_m hi wahanui 07:56 wahanui hey, julian_m 07:56 julian_m hi 07:55 magnuse Oak 07:55 Oak magnuse 07:52 magnuse kia ora #koha 07:44 cait bbiab 07:44 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 1.0�C (8:39 AM CET on November 30, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 97%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: 30.40 in 1029.3 hPa (Rising). 07:44 cait @wunder Konstanz 07:35 reiveune hi cait, everybody 07:35 cait hi reiveune and alex_a :) 07:35 Oak hello reiveune :) 07:34 wahanui bonjour, reiveune 07:34 reiveune hello 07:31 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6935] SYStem preference XISBNDailyLimit preference text error <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6935> 07:21 Oak morning miss cait :) 07:21 cait morning mr Oak 07:21 Oak ah 07:21 cait but only for another 25 mins 07:21 Oak kia ora #koha 07:21 cait hehe yes 07:21 Oak oh good, cait still at home 07:09 cait evening rangi 07:07 rangi evening 05:45 cait morning #koha 05:07 Oak :-) 05:07 Oak kia ora #koha 03:40 F3RHD ey aarkerio you there 03:40 AmitG heya rangi 03:07 wizzyrea ! 03:07 wizzyrea hehe@ 03:06 rangi one for spud 03:06 rangi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCmfB3EiAFk&feature=related 03:06 wizzyrea wh I totally get. 03:05 wizzyrea is so true 03:05 rangi theres nothing you cant find on the internet 03:05 rangi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNP-yVn1IXE&feature=related 03:04 * Oak memorizes the pronunciation for the presentation, bookmarks the links, and goes back to sleep 03:04 rangi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDa_472Pi1w&feature=related 03:04 rangi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSfhv3Ryp8s 03:03 rangi probably :) 03:03 wizzyrea I suspect that your boot an my boot sound different ;) 03:02 rangi :) 03:02 wizzyrea ho ro fen oo ah, for the midwesterners :) 03:02 Oak and wizzyrea :) 03:02 Oak thank you rangi :) 03:02 rangi ho ro fen u a 03:02 rangi horo fen u a 03:02 Oak oh cool 03:01 Oak Horowhenua = Horo-new-a ? 03:01 rangi http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/Pronouncing-Horowhenua-td3229083.html 03:01 wizzyrea (dialect, even) 03:01 wizzyrea based on that, it sounds to me like "keh teh" (now, that's with a regionless midwestern dialec) 03:00 rangi roll the r 03:00 Oak oh thanks. 03:00 rangi its a long sound 03:00 rangi if they have a macron 03:00 rangi you are right 03:00 rangi or italian, or japanese 03:00 rangi if you pronounce the vowels as if they were spanish 02:59 rangi you click on the letters to hear 02:59 jcamins_away wizzyrea: well, at least you're honest about how we pronounce it. ;) 02:59 rangi http://www.korero.maori.nz/forlearners/basics/pronunciation.html 02:59 * wizzyrea has listened to jransom say it a zillion times, and I still can't get it right (kete) 02:58 rangi 2 secs 02:58 wizzyrea wrong 02:58 Oak good. and what about "Horowhenua" 02:58 wizzyrea someoe can correct me if that's wront 02:58 Oak ah 02:58 Oak like cait? 02:58 wizzyrea keh teh, or kitteh 02:58 jcamins_away :P 02:58 jcamins_away Kete. 02:57 Oak how do we pronounce Kete? 02:57 Oak kia ora #koha 02:55 jenkins_koha f.demians: 3.6.1 Translation Update 02:55 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.6.x build #6: STILL UNSTABLE in 41 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.6.x/6/ 02:50 wizzyrea keke 02:49 jcamins_away :P 02:49 jcamins_away If you don't watch out, she'll grammar you! 02:48 wizzyrea O.O 02:48 jcamins_away wizzyrea's in a dangerously magical mood. 02:47 * wizzyrea doesn't have faebook open at the mo 02:47 wizzyrea must have been him then. 02:47 rangi i think indradg 02:47 jcamins_away indradg is the one who told me. 02:46 wizzyrea or indradg - can't remember which 02:46 rangi they arent doing their members any favours 02:46 jcamins_away Along with an arm to bludgeon them with it. 02:46 rangi yeah 02:46 wizzyrea amit said something on facebook about it 02:46 jcamins_away Someone should send them a cluebat. 02:46 rangi that explains it 02:46 rangi ahhh 02:46 jcamins_away rangi: apparently Delnet is pushing 2.2.9 pretty hard. 02:44 wizzyrea umya 02:44 rangi its a pretty crazily bad idea 02:43 rangi it appears india have stumbled onto the windows download page 02:43 wizzyrea waht is with all of the 2.2.9 stuff? 02:42 chrisdothall hahaha 02:42 rangi i installed 2.2.9 .. then i used my slate to write some notes, while ugg hunted bison 02:42 rangi another 2.2.9 02:13 jenkins_koha Starting build 6 for job Koha_3.6.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE) 00:01 wizzyrea http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNIg-daZZV8&feature=related damn you.