Time Nick Message 00:00 jcamins_away It sure will be. 00:03 * jcamins_away finishes assembling the application, and goes to make pizza. 00:03 jcamins_away The incomplete application, that is. 00:16 druthb o/ 00:19 mtj heya druthb 00:19 druthb hi, mtj! :D 00:21 * mtj waves from nz 00:22 mtj had a great week after kohacon11 in goa 00:22 druthb glad you got home safe, and glad you had fun! :) 00:22 mtj but nice to be home now too 00:22 mtj yeah, will def. go back 00:23 mtj goa was crazy cheap, 00:23 jransom heya mason 00:23 jransom ruth 00:23 jransom et al 00:23 mtj and great food vege too 00:23 druthb jransom! Hey, babe! 00:25 libsysguy is there a shell marc export? 00:25 mtj hey jo, sad news re: K$HA trademark in NZ :( 00:26 mtj jransom: any plans for a paypal account soon, for donations, etc? 00:27 mtj libsysguy: hmm, not one in the koha repo ? i think 00:28 mtj ive def. written one (or two ) tho 00:28 jransom yup 00:28 jransom I had so many offers of help 00:28 jransom pretty amazing 00:28 jransom and humbling 00:29 jransom check your email and also the blog post on koha-community.org 00:29 mtj jransom: consider cross-posting your email to CODE4LIB and NZ-LIBS mailing-lists too, please... 00:30 jransom oh - sure - never thought of that 00:32 * mtj checks its email... 00:33 mtj jransom: also NZOSS lists too 00:33 mtj http://nzoss.org.nz/mailinglists 00:33 * ibeardslee has asked the NZOSS council 00:34 mtj chur, bro ;) 00:35 jransom mason: can you post it to the NZOSS list? 00:36 mtj i think anyone can? 00:36 mtj but its prolly better posted by you, Jo 00:37 jransom sounds like ibeardslee has it in hand 00:37 mtj http://lists.nzoss.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/openchat 00:42 mtj libsysguy: i checked my notes.... 00:42 mtj $ mysql koha3_prod -e †select marc from biblioitems where marc is not null and date(timestamp) > ’2010-08-01′†> marc.txt 00:42 mtj ... was how i was dumping Koha marc records to a file 00:42 libsysguy oh sweet…thanks mtj 00:43 libsysguy mtj++ 00:43 druthb mtj: that'd work, but post 3.4, would not include embedded items. 00:44 mtj druthb: ah, yeah - no item records in my example 00:45 mtj items weren't required in my situ... 00:59 druthb hi, BobB! :) 01:02 jransom heya Bob 01:19 ibeardslee .. I suddenly got what HLT meant .. sigh 01:28 BobB hi druthb 01:28 BobB hey Jo, not such great news for you today 02:01 rangi back 02:02 jransom heya 02:03 jransom Hi Bob - no - itsbeen a very sad day but feeling chirpier now 02:03 jransom koha community is an amazing thing 02:04 eythian hi all 02:04 * eythian is back in NZ again 02:11 rangi jransom: it really is 02:30 eythian jransom: <koalulz> hmm, the paypal return address is http://blog.kete.net.nz/ which appears deaded. 02:31 jransom works for me mate 02:31 jcamins_away Doesn't work for me, either. 02:31 * jcamins_away just tested the URL. 02:31 jransom and donations have been rolling in all day 02:32 jransom ok - will off and investigate 02:32 eythian jransom: well, it's only after you've donated that you get this 02:32 eythian and it doesn't work for me either, fwiw :) 02:32 jransom ok - i'm on to it 02:34 Phlunk3 is there somewhere written down what the actual issue with the copyright etc is? have heard it mentioned a few times but wasn't sure how it all came about. 02:35 rangi no issue with copyright 02:35 jcamins_away Phlunk3: you mean the trademark stuff? 02:35 Phlunk3 yeah sorry, trademark :P 02:35 jcamins_away It should be described in the first post on the koha-community.org front page. 02:35 Phlunk3 tx 02:36 chris_n blog address didn't work from here either 02:36 jcamins_away There was an article by Galen Charlton. 02:37 jransom ok - I have redone it - linking back to koha-community after the donation is finished. 02:37 rangi http://lwn.net/Articles/386284/ is interesting too 02:39 Phlunk3 tx rangi 02:39 eythian (note that it's over a year old, but still relevant) 02:40 jransom ok redone it on the koha-community site as well 02:40 jransom sorry about that folks - 02:40 eythian sweet :) 02:51 ibeardslee I've just sent an email out to the NZOSS Openchat list. 02:51 Brooke Kia Ora 02:56 eythian http://youtu.be/t1F7N1waNWM 02:58 jransom brooke 02:58 jransom you are awake :) 02:58 Brooke of course 02:58 * Brooke would not doze at this. 03:01 jransom "will i just put down wasps" .. lol 03:01 jransom crazy ethyian 03:01 rangi hehe 03:03 ibeardslee heh gah maybe I should get my mail client to check all folders more often 03:14 eythian http://twitter.com/#!/jonobacon <-- only 8,100 followers... 03:14 rangi yeah, just tweeted it too 03:16 * jcamins_away retweeted as well. 03:16 jcamins_away For all 4 followers who aren't connected to Koha. 03:16 rangi heh 03:16 eythian heh 03:33 AmitG heya chris, jrnasom 03:33 rangi hi AmitG 03:33 Brooke hi Amit 03:34 jransom heya amit 03:34 jransom Koutubha ! 03:34 eythian hi kmkale 03:34 eythian (et al.)( 03:34 eythian ) 03:35 Brooke other Indians in the house. 03:35 AmitG heya Brooke 03:40 Brooke http://deathstarpr.blogspot.com/2011/11/10-rules-star-wars-can-teach-us-for.html 03:47 Judit1 oh, i started to watch star wars from the beginning 03:47 Judit1 again 03:47 Brooke :) 03:47 Brooke prolly do summat like that starting my Wednesday nightish 03:47 Judit1 but i still like the original 3 best 03:48 eythian well. there's only 5 or 6 hours of watching anyway 03:48 Brooke it helps me not be irritated by my stupid sister. 03:50 Judit1 more then 2 hours each 03:50 Judit1 i think 03:52 eythian so a bit over 6 hours then, still not too bad :) 03:53 Brooke 13.28 according to IMDB for all 03:53 Judit1 u 03:53 jransom I am weary .... 03:53 eythian that implies they're about 4.5 hours each... 03:53 Brooke nope 03:53 Brooke about 2 hoursish each 03:54 Judit1 just as i said :) 03:54 eythian that implies there are six movies... 03:54 Brooke which there are :P 03:54 jransom Brooke: fancy answering the code4liv query? 03:54 Judit1 :D 03:54 eythian no there aren't 03:54 Judit1 3 and 3 03:54 Judit1 hm 03:54 jransom i'm ready for home - might walk dog on the beach for a bit 03:54 Judit1 what are you talking about ethyian 03:54 Brooke you can cover your eyes and ears and pretend that 1-3 aren't there 03:54 Brooke but they are :P 03:54 eythian jransom: a good day for it. 03:54 eythian (at least, here) 03:55 eythian Judit1: there are 4,5 and 6. 03:55 eythian that's all. 03:55 chrisdothall heh 03:55 rangi good idea jransom 03:56 eythian I always thought that a sequel to The Matrix could also be pretty neat. 03:56 jransom they did a trilogy 03:56 eythian no they didn't. 03:56 rangi hehe 03:56 jransom um .... yeah 3 parts? 03:56 eythian nope. 03:56 jransom and they were good 03:56 eythian Just one. 03:56 jransom matrix revolutions 03:57 jransom was great (awesome soundtrack too) 03:57 eythian http://xkcd.com/566/ 03:57 Brooke obvious troll is obvious 03:58 eythian I would never! 03:58 eythian https://twitter.com/#!/webmink <-- going around the free software world at a rate of knots 03:59 Brooke </cmontgomeryburns> Eggsellent </monty> 04:00 rangi wow 04:00 Brooke I think the rhum has infused the ice cubes 04:00 jransom ethian: you are very very sily today 04:01 Brooke today is an unnecessary limiter. 04:01 jransom lol 04:03 eythian http://www.reddit.com/r/koha/comments/ml1d5/help_the_koha_open_source_library_system_keep_its/ <-- also, upvote this and it may hit the front page 04:07 rangi hmm who downvoted it i wonder 04:07 eythian it's very hard to tell, reddit messes with the info you get to counter spamming and gaming of the system 04:07 Brooke I've one up 0 down on me tally 04:09 eythian that's what I see, too 04:10 eythian oh no wait: 3 omhoogstemmen 1 stem omlaag 04:10 rangi yeah 04:11 kmkale Namaskaar #koha 04:11 kmkale Namaste jransom, eythian, Brooke, rangi :) 04:11 Brooke namaste 04:13 jransom ok well thats me donw. sleep well some and work hard others :) 04:14 rangi :) 04:14 rangi cya jransom 04:14 Brooke bye bye 04:14 rangi https://twitter.com/#!/mosborne01/statuses/138813229840351232 04:15 Brooke noice 04:15 Brooke I think that fits your shanking definition of love nicely, yes? 04:15 jransom oh yes - definiotely 04:15 rangi :) 04:15 kmkale Namaste Irma :) 04:16 Brooke last of the game yet 05:42 cait morning #koha 05:53 eythian hi cait 05:53 cait morning robin 05:53 cait back from australia? 05:53 eythian yep, got back about midnight 05:57 cait how did your presenation go? 05:57 eythian it went well. Had a small but interested group, which is what this kind of thing tends to get. 05:57 cait :) 07:14 rangi hey mtj 07:14 AmitG heya rangi, cait 07:15 rangi hmm hey magnuse 07:15 cait hi AmitG and magnuse 07:15 magnuse hiya rangi AmitG cait 07:16 AmitG heya magnuse 07:18 magnuse wow, human stupidity knows no bounds... :-( 07:18 rangi yeah, it really doesnt 07:20 magnuse i just made my (first) donation... 07:21 rangi :) 07:27 cait donated too 07:30 jransom heya susan 07:31 Susan hi jransom 07:31 Susan i want to try configuring koha 07:31 rangi heya jransom 07:31 wahanui it has been said that jransom is gonna *smek* someone. 07:31 rangi hi Susan 07:32 Susan the programmers have already downloaded it 07:32 Susan hi rangi 07:34 Susan someone help 07:34 rangi we need more information than htat 07:34 rangi have they installed it? 07:34 alex_a hell 07:34 alex_a o 07:34 rangi bonjour alex_a 07:35 alex_a bonjour rangi 07:35 Susan yes they have 07:35 rangi so its all installed and working fine, you just need to set up your preferences etc? 07:36 rangi and what version? 07:36 Susan we did a try and error before and when i went for the kohacon11 i discovered we were on the wrong truck 07:36 Susan 3.6 07:36 rangi cool 07:37 Susan let me try but when i get stuck i will come back to you 07:37 rangi http://manual.koha-community.org/3.6/en/impadmin.html 07:37 Susan my bosses are disappointed at our first attempt 07:37 rangi heres a good place to start 07:38 rangi http://manual.koha-community.org/3.6/en/ is the whole manual 07:39 Susan thanks 07:40 Susan so i have to read the whole of it first 07:41 Susan can i have 2 monitors, one for the manual and one with the system 07:41 Susan then i can configure while reading the manual? 07:42 magnuse sure! 07:42 rangi yup, id start with the implementation checklist 07:43 rangi but yeah, two monitors is a good idea 07:43 Susan ok 07:43 Susan thanks 07:43 rangi bonjour paul_p, Ça va? 07:44 Susan hi paul 07:44 cait hi paul_p 07:44 paul_p kia ora rangi & Susan & others 07:44 paul_p & cait 07:44 rangi paul_p: did you meet susan at kohacon11 ? 07:44 Susan yes we did meet 07:44 * paul_p will head for a meeting with AixMarseille university, to convince them switching to community/master in 2012... 07:45 rangi oh excellent 07:45 paul_p (and not go the StEtienne / Solr path) 07:45 rangi wb jransom 07:45 cait paul_p: hope it goes well 07:45 paul_p rangi, yes, we met. And the last time we met was ... at the airport. His plane took off at 4AM, our at 3AM :\ 07:45 rangi eek 07:46 Susan it was at 4.30am 07:46 magnuse kia ora jransom 07:46 paul_p cait, yep. Lyon3 has choosen this way (community/master), that should help. 07:46 Susan was quite tired after checking in at midnight 07:46 jransom this time maybe 07:46 jransom i cant see any text 07:46 jransom oh there it is 07:46 rangi hehe 07:46 jransom hello world :) 07:47 magnuse hello jransom :-) 07:47 Susan hallo back 07:47 Susan :-) 07:49 cait paul_p: very cool 07:49 cait time to go to work - bbiab :) 07:49 * cait waves at jo before running out 07:49 jransom heya Cait 07:49 rangi cya in a bit cait 07:50 reiveune hello 07:50 wahanui hey, reiveune 07:52 rangi heya reiveune 07:52 wahanui rumour has it reiveune is connected through the VPN 07:53 reiveune hi rangi, everybody 08:01 * kmkale has just donated some money to the HLT legal trademark fund :) 08:01 magnuse kmkale++ 08:01 magnuse cait++ 08:02 jransom champion :) 08:04 asaurat hi! 08:04 rangi hi asaurat and magnuse 08:04 rangi doh 08:04 rangi matts 08:04 rangi tab completion is failing me today 08:04 matts hi ! 08:04 rangi kmkale++ 08:06 magnuse hehe 08:16 francharb hi #koha! 08:17 rangi hi francharb 08:17 rangi wb kf 08:17 magnuse guten tag kf 08:17 magnuse bonjour francharb 08:17 kf :) 08:21 magnuse wow, having "OPAC 5.6" as the page title for a detail view is less than impressive ;-) http://bibliotek.kristianstad.se/pls/bookit/pkg_www_misc.print_index?in_user_id=opac-k-e&in_password=opac-k-e1&in_ccl_query=bannerhed+korparna+a/ob 08:21 kf heh 08:32 ams is this the same koha that is in some kind of legal mess? 08:33 kf ams: not sure the description fits 100 per cent 08:33 kf but this is the koha ils channel, yes 08:33 ams http://diligentroom.wordpress.com/2011/11/22/the-exemplar-of-stupid-koha-vs-liblime-trademark/ 08:33 magnuse tj�nare ams 08:33 ams was refering to that 08:34 magnuse yup 08:34 ams Has anyone talked to the FSF/SFLC for help? 08:36 ams http://www.fsf.org | http://www.softwarefreedom.org/ 08:40 ams magnuse: Ok, tjo hej tjo hopp :-) 08:40 magnuse ;-) 08:40 AmitG heya ams :D 08:41 ams AmitG: hi, do i know you? 08:41 magnuse doesn't sound like anyone here at the moment has been in touch with fsf etc... 08:41 AmitG ams: don't know 08:41 rangi not me 08:41 ams magnuse: that is a pitty, specially the sflc which helps free software projects with legal stuff. 08:42 ams magnuse: the fsf might not be able to help directly, but the sflc should be able to do so. 08:42 ams AmitG: ah, so i'm the sore thumb sticking out here :-) 08:43 magnuse nope, not a sore thumb! you'd have to misbehave for a while to earn that monicker ;-) 08:44 rangi heh 08:50 kf magnuse: now I have to translate all your norwegian again! 08:50 kf or.. copy it over again with correct diacritics :) 08:50 magnuse kf: we really should find a better way to do that... 08:50 kf ah, it's ok :) 08:50 magnuse i hope normarc will be gone in 2-3 years time, though 08:51 magnuse well, i'd like not to worry about translating unimarc-specific stuff too... 08:52 rangi :) 08:52 rangi yeah we must be able to do something about that 08:54 magnuse yay :-) 08:59 kf rangi++ for fixing the diacritics :) 09:06 rangi i did? 09:07 kf yep you did :) 09:08 kf broken diacritics in the po files 09:09 rangi oh cool 09:09 rangi yay 09:10 magnuse rangi++ # so awesome he fixes things without noticing ;-) 09:10 kf hehe 10:11 reed howdy 10:11 reed did I miss anything? 10:11 rangi lol 10:11 * reed has been under a rock for 6 or so months 10:11 rangi with a hobbit on top? 10:12 reed yep, and similar 10:12 reed hobbits w/ray guns 10:12 rangi ahhh 10:13 * rangi is just about to go to sleep, got a demo/meeting in the morning 10:13 reed it's an odd place for sure, fun tho 10:13 rangi but radio nz, 7.15am 10:13 reed have a good night, will catch you later 10:13 rangi check it out if you are awake 10:13 reed cool, will listen 10:13 reed probly will be 10:14 reed is jo going to set up an bank account? 10:14 liw hi, reed 10:14 reed hey! 10:16 reed i better wander off too, just wanted to check in; political agitation makes me want to write softwares as a way to fight back and silliness 10:16 reed night all 10:16 reed er something 10:17 reed anyhow, planning to try to get back into it now that I've adjusted to my new work schedule some 10:17 magnuse yay 10:17 reed :) 12:54 NateC Morning #Koha! 13:07 jwagner Hi, NateC 13:17 francharb hi again 13:17 francharb if i want to display the subscription tab on a specific biblio, i need biblio.serial=1, right? 13:20 kf I think that might be unimarc specific 13:21 francharb kf, i dont think so 13:21 kf I am not sure 13:21 francharb kf, you can map biblio.serial with any biblio field... 13:21 kf I thought for marc21 it's set to detect something in the leader 13:22 francharb ah ok 13:22 kf yep, but I think it's not mapped for marc21 13:22 kf and the check uses the leader - but might be wrong 13:24 francharb thanks 14:12 oleonard The subscriptions tab displays if you have subscriptions attached to it 14:13 oleonard I don't think it obeys biblio.serial anymore 14:17 kf oleonard: that makes sense 15:09 wizzyrea boo! I missed Reed! 15:10 kf hey wizzyrea :) 15:20 Carl Hi! 15:20 Carl Carl here 15:21 Carl What about place holds on ordered material? 15:21 Carl Without any item records 15:21 kf youneed items to place holds 15:21 Carl well, I have heard that 15:21 kf but you can have items for ordered materials 15:22 Carl but our cataloguers doesn't like that 15:22 Carl :-) 15:22 kf it's eitheror 15:22 wizzyrea what our libraries do 15:22 Carl Que? 15:22 wizzyrea is create a dummy item 15:22 wizzyrea then turn that item into a "real" item when the first copy is received 15:23 Carl yes, that could be the way: a temporary item 15:23 wizzyrea http://www.nexpresslibrary.org/best-practices-for-cataloging-on-order-items/ 15:23 Carl ok, thanks! 15:23 wizzyrea this is how my system does it 15:24 Carl Great! 15:25 oleonard Mine too 15:25 Carl ok, see ya! 15:28 jcamins Morning. 15:32 jwagner morning, jcamins 15:47 oleonard jcamins: have you finished providing DNA samples for your coop application? 15:48 kf lol 15:48 jcamins oleonard: the DNA samples for Shari and me weren't too bad. 15:49 jcamins It was DNA samples going back four generations that was a bit problematic. 15:49 kf hm 15:49 kf what does bar over bar mean?? 15:49 kf it's somewhere in the 007 plugin 15:49 jcamins Uhhh... no idea. 15:49 * oleonard hasn't heard that 15:50 Oak bar, james bar 15:50 jcamins Oh, music. 15:50 jcamins It's, you know, music. 15:50 kf ? 15:50 Oak you are so analytical kf 15:51 jcamins Like for keyboards, with multiple hands. 15:51 Oak :) 15:51 kf Oak: that's new to me 15:51 kf :) 15:51 kf and I am still confused 15:51 kf trying to finish the translation 15:51 * jcamins had never heard a special term for this. 15:51 kf and I have the german marc21 translation, but can't find the right term 15:51 Oak hm 15:52 jcamins kf: http://www.all-about-beethoven.com/pdf/beethoven/moonlightsonata_I.pdf 15:52 kf ah 15:52 * Oak decides to let kf work 15:52 jcamins See, there's the right hand and the left hand, one on top of the other. 15:52 kf it's related to braille 15:53 * kf sends Oak cookies 15:53 kf jcamins: thx :) 15:53 Oak :) danke 15:53 jcamins kf: you're welcome. I'm not sure I'm riht. 15:54 jcamins Oh, yes, I am. 15:54 jcamins Cool! 15:54 oleonard being_right++ 15:54 kf :) 15:55 kf jcamins++ :) 15:56 Oak jcamins++ 15:57 Carl Hi again! 15:58 Carl What about this: http://koha-community.org/plea-horowhenua-library-trust/ 15:58 Carl It's horrendous 15:58 Oak ? 15:59 Carl Or, do I missing the "big picture" 15:59 wizzyrea pretty sure you're not missing the big picture. 15:59 trea nope, not missing it. 15:59 Carl ok 16:00 Carl so, LibLime is just evil 16:00 Carl what about ByWater? 16:00 kf a- Safety base, undetermined? 16:00 Carl or the other commerical firms? 16:00 oleonard ByWater contributes all its developments back to the project 16:00 kf I think the big difference is that liblime does not offer koha - the others do 16:00 jcamins kf: that's film. 16:00 * wizzyrea imagines the safety base, immediately leaps to safety dance. 16:01 kf jcamins: yes, but no idea how to translate and can't find it *grumble+ 16:01 jcamins Hm. 16:01 Carl ok 16:01 wizzyrea http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7movKfyTBII&ob=av3e 16:01 jcamins Photography book? 16:02 wizzyrea ah I miss the days when videos made sense ^.^ 16:02 Carl so, I guess this is a old and distressing issue 16:02 Barrc Anyone around who knows the member.pl script reasonably well? 16:02 wizzyrea carl: it's at least 3 years old 16:03 jcamins Barrc: make sure you have a default circulation rule for ALL-ALL-ALL. 16:03 jcamins Barrc: chances are good the lack of one is what's causing your problem. 16:03 kf jcamins: if it#s in film, why can't I find it :( 16:03 jcamins kf: I don't know. Do I look like a film expert? :) 16:03 reiveune bye 16:03 Barrc jcamins: But you haven't heard the problem yet!! 16:04 Carl wizzyrea: ok 16:04 kf jcamins: no, but you know a lot about marc21 :) 16:04 kf jcamins: and I needed someone to complain to 16:04 jcamins Barrc: true, that was going to be my next suggestion, that you tell us what it is. :) 16:04 * jcamins is in rare form today. 16:04 Barrc :-) 16:05 Barrc OK - for some patron searches I get this: 16:05 Barrc Can't use an undefined value as a HASH reference at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/members/member.pl line 138 16:05 wizzyrea what version? 16:05 jcamins Barrc: hm. 3.6? 16:05 wahanui 3.6 is, like, more relevant 16:05 wizzyrea define "some" 16:05 Barrc 3.05.00.001 16:06 Barrc that line - 138 - shows a dereferences value that doesn't exist - anywhere! 16:06 jcamins Barrc: you have corrupted patron records. 16:07 jcamins oleonard had this problem about a year ago. Does oleonard remember how it was solved? 16:07 Barrc jcamins: That is very possible! 16:07 oleonard I did? 16:08 oleonard The statute of limitations on that memory has expired. 16:08 jcamins oleonard: yeah, you did. Actually, it couldn't have been a year ago. 9 months, maybe. 16:08 Barrc The line in question is this: 16:08 Barrc %{$categories_dislay{$$borrower{categorycode}}}, 16:08 Barrc AAHHHH! 16:08 jcamins categories_dislay? That doesn't look right. 16:08 Barrc is it display> 16:08 Barrc instead of dislay 16:08 Barrc ? 16:09 jcamins Seems possible. Could you update to 3.6.0? 16:09 Barrc I could..... 16:09 jcamins Nope, it's dislay. 16:09 jcamins Ooh! Check if your borrowers table still has a primary key. 16:10 jcamins Possibly you no longer have a primary key, and have duplicate borrowernumbers. 16:10 kf ouch! 16:10 wizzyrea would we have talked about it in IRC? 16:10 wizzyrea if so, it'd be in the log. 16:11 jcamins wizzyrea: I suspect it would be in ByWater's ticketing system. 16:11 oleonard jcamins: Now that sounds familiar 16:11 * wizzyrea looks around furtively 16:11 sekjal what issue? 16:11 Barrc primary key still intact 16:11 wahanui i think issue is if I want to do criculation (check out or check in) there will be an error in Can't call method "subfield" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Biblio.pm line 2829. 16:11 sekjal sorry (was in the other room) 16:12 sekjal ah, the hashref on 138? 16:12 jcamins Yup. 16:12 jcamins Barrc: hmm. So much for that idea. 16:13 Barrc sekjal - yes, it looks like its calling a value that doesn't exist 16:15 sekjal Barrc: ah, found it in our knowledge base 16:15 sekjal check the case on your borrower categorycodes 16:16 Barrc OK - should they be all lower? 16:16 jcamins Oh yeah. 16:16 sekjal upper, to match the code in the categories table 16:16 jcamins I was close. 16:16 Barrc cool - I will check it out. 16:24 Barrc sekjal: Thank you! lower case code in the borrowers table! Changing them now, I am sure that will resolve - thanks! 16:25 sekjal Barrc: glad to help 16:26 kf subfield c *cries* 16:28 jcamins kf: ? 16:28 * wizzyrea gives kf cookies 16:28 kf pootle works alphabetical 16:28 kf I am at subfield c- now 16:28 kf and there are a lot more 16:28 kf thx wizzyrea 16:28 * wizzyrea nods sympathetically 16:28 * kf really needs cookies 16:28 * jcamins bought eggs yesterday so he could bake. 16:29 * wizzyrea sends kf home made oatmeal chocolate chip coconut cookies 16:29 kf oooh! yummy! 16:29 jcamins Mmmm. 16:29 jcamins !! Mosfilm is posting 200 full films onto YouTube in 2011. 16:29 jcamins That's so cool! 16:30 wizzyrea jcamins: that's a variant of my FAVORITE oatmeal cookie recipe - the one that you sent us that was coconut curry oatmeal cookies 16:30 jcamins :) 16:30 jcamins wizzyrea: I thought it might be. 16:30 * wizzyrea uses that recipe even if she doesn't put the curry in 16:30 rhcl I haven't had ginger snaps in 35 years 16:30 * jcamins too 16:30 wizzyrea love it because you can put fruit, nuts, chocolate, whatever in it and it always tastes good. 16:31 wizzyrea rhcl: pity, we made some just a couple of weeks ago 16:31 wizzyrea and they were delightful 16:31 rhcl oh 16:31 rhcl well, good, I'm glad you enjoyed them. 16:32 rhcl delightful, huh? 16:32 rhcl I can almost taste them 16:32 rhcl but not, of course 16:32 wizzyrea nod 16:46 kf sekjal: around? 16:46 sekjal kf: yes 16:46 kf can you take a look at bug 7250 perhaps? 16:46 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7250 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, NEW , stage_biblios_file.pl is missing options for encodings, wrongly passing the MARC flavour instead 16:47 kf I am not sure how many people use that script 16:47 kf Uli tested it today and gave it a sign-off, but might need an external one too? 16:48 sekjal kf: will look 16:48 kf thx 16:56 Oak kf, time to go home. 16:58 kf Oak: right :) 16:58 Oak :) 16:59 jcamins I need a synonym for "film," that refers to the physical stuff. 16:59 kf tape? 16:59 jcamins Thanks. 16:59 kf or what do youmean with physical? 17:00 kf :) 17:00 kf and I was so bad at synonyms at school :) 17:00 jcamins That's what I meant. 17:00 wizzyrea plastic film? 17:00 jcamins Hm, actually, that won't work, because people will understand "tape" to mean "VHS." 17:01 wizzyrea photographic plastic film 17:01 wizzyrea negatives? 17:01 wizzyrea photographic film? 17:01 kf bye :) 17:01 wizzyrea roll film? 17:01 jcamins Panchromatic film. 17:01 wizzyrea but yea, they're all types of film 17:01 jcamins Or Orthochromatic film. 17:02 wizzyrea because you have monochromatic film too 17:02 jcamins Probably orthochromatic film. 17:02 wizzyrea roll film 17:02 wizzyrea is what I would do 17:02 wizzyrea most film comes in rolls 17:02 wizzyrea of one sort or another 17:02 wizzyrea except of course polaroid 17:03 jcamins Ooh, "nitrate film" is probably clearest. 17:03 wizzyrea photographic material 17:03 wizzyrea celluloid 17:03 sekjal kf: 7250 passed QA 17:04 jcamins celluloid. Nice! 17:04 jcamins Thanks! 17:04 wizzyrea lol yw 17:06 magnuse sekjal: someone said bywater might be working on letting patrons self-register in the opac - ring any bells? 17:06 sekjal magnuse: yes, we've got a couple libraries requesting that functionality 17:07 sekjal no spec yet (so no code, either) 17:07 oleonard That's on our list for possible development in the next year 17:07 magnuse ah, ok, thanks 17:07 oleonard sponsorship that is 17:08 magnuse cool 17:08 magnuse i think Carl might be interested in that too, but i see he's not round anymore 17:09 magnuse sekjal, oleonard: can i namedrop the two of you to him, in case he's interested in discussing sharing the costs? 17:09 oleonard Fine by me 17:11 sekjal gladly 17:11 magnuse cool, thanks 17:11 sekjal I'd love to see an open, community-based spec for this 17:11 magnuse open++ 17:11 magnuse community-based++ 17:11 sekjal I'm sure any one libraries use-case would differ from another's, but if we can all chip in on how we'd want to use it, we can code more generically 17:12 * oleonard is picturing some kind of matrix 17:12 * wizzyrea giggles 17:12 * jcamins pictures patrons dodging bullets as they register for library cards. 17:13 jcamins (a la Matrix) 17:13 sekjal jcamins: when the times comes, they won't have to 17:13 magnuse something with vertically scrolling green text, eh? 17:13 oleonard sekjal: :D 17:13 wizzyrea rofl 17:14 jcamins sekjal++ # _that_'s taking the ball and running with it :) 17:14 sekjal :) 17:18 wizzyrea hey bag, how about b_g 17:18 magnuse thanks folks! time to make dinner here 17:19 jcamins Mmm. Pizza Tuesday? 17:19 jcamins Oh, wait, no, that's here in New York, not in Norway. :) 17:19 b_g hmm… 17:19 wizzyrea or b.g 17:20 wizzyrea or b.g. 17:20 wizzyrea b_g kind of looks like a face ^.^ 17:21 wizzyrea brendang? 17:21 brendangallagher bren dang 17:21 oleonard or brendagnabbit 17:21 brendangallagher how about dang 17:21 wizzyrea dangnabbit is a great name 17:21 * wizzyrea giggles 17:21 wizzyrea bilbio? 17:22 wizzyrea has a bit of an italian flair 17:27 francharb bye all 17:33 magnus_afk jcamins: friday is pizza day, at least where i am ;-) today is duck breast and orange sauce day 17:33 jcamins magnus_afk: mmm. That sounds tasty. 17:33 * jcamins has been having pizza a lot recently, because Shari can *always* be persuaded to eat pizza. All bets are off for other food. 17:36 magnus_afk heh 17:36 magnus_afk Shari++ 17:39 * paul_p head home 17:39 paul_p see you tomorrow #koha 17:41 bilbo heh /nick bilbio 17:43 Oak hello miss cait :) 17:44 wizzyrea bye paul_p thanks for pushing the patches this week :D 17:45 Oak paul_p++ 17:46 Oak me go now. time to sleep. later. 17:48 cait yep, paul_p++ 17:48 cait and hi all :) 17:53 wizzyrea wb cait :) 17:54 slef hi all 17:54 wizzyrea hi slef :) 17:55 magnus_afk hiya slef 17:55 magnus_afk just curious - any news on the dates for kohacon12? 17:55 slef no :((( 17:55 magnus_afk no worries - we'll get there ;-) 17:56 slef basically we asked how to pay one venue, now tumbleweed is blowing through... very strange! 17:56 slef and I'm busy with 99 red balloo^W^W other things 17:57 cait heh 17:57 cait slef: hope it works out soon :) 17:59 slef me too 18:15 Brooke o/ 18:17 oleonard Hi Brooke 18:17 Brooke oleonard++ 18:19 sekjal hey, Brooke 18:20 Brooke howday 18:21 * Brooke munches on her vestigial pulled pork sammich. 18:24 fredericd Has anybody get Koha SIP server get working with 3.4 version? 18:24 fredericd For me, it does't work as it used to. 18:25 sekjal fredericd: I've had SIP working from 3.2 to current 18:25 sekjal what's the issue you're having? 18:27 fredericd I can't describe... Command-line scenarios works but when connecting 3M Self Check, it doesn't work. There are some timeouts... 18:27 fredericd I can't say more precisely. I will try with anothe self check 18:27 Brooke hmm 18:27 Brooke sekjal do you know where dpavlin's notes are? 18:28 sekjal notes from KohaCon? 18:28 Brooke yeah those might help too 18:28 Brooke in case you're off line when frederic has questions 18:29 mtj oooh, jo on the radio in NZ 18:29 Brooke yep 18:29 Brooke station? 18:29 fredericd For example, a first check out takes ages to proceed, and then a following check out fails because the response from koha sip server seems to arrive lately 18:29 fredericd and it isn't network latencies 18:29 fredericd arrive lately for the first check out... 18:30 mtj http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/businessnews/audio/2503213/morning-business-for-23-november-2011.asx 18:30 sekjal fredericd: what do the logs show? anything? 18:31 cait there were some patches pushed in between 18:31 cait to sip 18:32 fredericd cait: that's what I have to look at 18:32 fredericd I have 3M and Koha logs. Koha logs seem fine and 3M logs report timeout 18:33 cait we have tested some of the pushed patches- hope nothing was missed 18:33 fredericd and it seems that the self check get crazy sending 99 command 18:33 cait we also have 2 libraries using sip server with 3.2.2 right now 18:33 cait my coworker is the expert here :( 18:35 slef random reply to the PTFS FU: OCCUPY KOHA! :) 18:35 Brooke rofl 18:36 fredericd Ulrich Kleiber? 18:36 fredericd I can see his patch 18:37 cait yes 18:38 fredericd And there is also a Colin patch, adding autoflush... 18:38 fredericd that's all 18:38 cait hm 18:39 cait fredericd: I am looking at bugzilla 18:39 cait bug 5586? 18:39 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5586 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, colin.campbell, ASSIGNED , SIP line-endings should use proper SPEC-compliant \r 18:39 fredericd bug 6620 18:39 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6620 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, colin.campbell, RESOLVED FIXED, Sip Server Output may be buffered 18:40 ibeardslee http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/6016492/Small-library-fights-US-corporation-over-software-patent 18:40 ibeardslee sigh .. legendary stuff reporting accuracy 18:40 fredericd cait: but you're correct, there is also a patch for your bug... 18:41 slef mtj: have I missed jransom or is she a long way into this asx? 18:43 rangi morning 18:43 Brooke morena 18:43 rangi ibeardslee: jo was just on nat radio 18:44 rangi which 4 days out from election, its pretty amazing 18:44 rangi shows the public interest 18:44 * Brooke nods. 18:45 oleonard-away We in the US are doing our part by having corporations evil enough to make the phrase "United States corporation" sound evil 18:46 rangi heh 18:46 Brooke ain't no humour like gallows humour cause gallows humour don't stop. 18:47 jcamins Always look on the bright side of life! 18:47 * jcamins whistles. 18:48 cait morning rangi, hi Brooke 18:48 Brooke howdy Cait. 18:49 * Brooke sings with jcamins. 18:49 Brooke "Life is full of shite, when you look at it." 18:49 cait lol 18:49 Brooke I think we should go off broadway, brah. 18:49 Brooke 2 geeks sing showtunes 18:49 Brooke what's not to like? 18:49 cait heh 18:51 Brooke proper link is http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2503215/horowhenua-library-astonished-us-firm-can-trademark-'koha'.asx slef 18:52 slef poc 18:52 slef oic, even 18:53 * rangi is off to listen to a presentation on koha to a lot of 3 letter govt depts 18:53 ibeardslee I think it is just awesome the publicity 18:53 ibeardslee just sad that it is because of that 18:54 slef Connecting to server streaming.radionz.co.nz[202.7.7.96]: 80... 18:54 slef read: Resource temporarily unavailable 18:54 slef Failed, exiting. 18:54 ibeardslee AND a bonus, it is also highlighting to the general public that there is amazing stuff that comes from .nz (although Koha itself is now has people working on it globally) 18:54 Brooke try here too 18:54 Brooke http://podcast.radionz.co.nz/mnr/mnr-20111123-0725-horowhenua_library_astonished_us_firm_can_trademark_koha-048.mp3 18:54 slef tyvm 18:55 sekjal yes, ty Brooke 18:55 Brooke no problem 18:55 rangi yeah way bigger than just nz now 18:55 * Brooke is not just another pretty face. 18:56 ibeardslee rangi: enjoy, and it'll be interesting to see what those 3 letter departments think if the trademark issue 18:58 rangi *nod* 19:12 rangi slef++ 19:13 slef I'm doing a nice line in annoyed lately :-/ 19:14 slef I'm moving regions, so looking at the equivalent of the failed RISE co-op for my new region... and seeing some of the same anti-patterns in it. 19:14 rangi ahhh 19:15 slef I don't really want to reboot, rinse and repeat that experience. 19:15 cait ? 19:15 slef Membership in one failed business support co-op is quite enough, thanks. 19:15 slef cait: ? 19:15 cait ignore me - tired 19:15 cait :) 19:20 jcamins slef: I suggest that you use a 200-page application. 19:23 slef jcamins: sounds like a way to make a co-op fail, but what do I know? ;-) 19:24 jcamins slef: I'm _sure_ that's how it should be done. 19:24 Brooke maybe you should purchase another corporation, fail to find a business model, and then just pirate shite for fun and profit. 19:24 slef Your message to Koha awaits moderator approval // Too many recipients 19:24 slef bleah 19:25 jcamins Brooke: I was thinking about doing that. 19:25 Brooke can I be first mate? I'll even buy a parrot/ 19:26 jcamins It depends. How are you at dealing with arrers? 19:26 Brooke To the brig! 19:28 ibeardslee where the chains are? 19:28 wizzyrea walk the plank! 19:28 mtj hmm, someone needs to correct that 'stuff' article head-line :/ 19:29 mtj 'Small library fights US corporation over software patent' 19:29 wizzyrea yea it's not quite right 19:29 mtj trademark, not patent 19:29 wizzyrea content is correct tho 19:30 mtj i might drop them a clue 19:31 ibeardslee @nzstuff on twitter 19:31 huginn ibeardslee: I've exhausted my database of quotes 19:31 ibeardslee shush, wasn't talking to you 19:35 slef can we rename it "HLT's ratbag-repelling fund"? 19:35 slef ;) 19:36 Brooke ++ 19:37 Brooke I just read that and laughed loud enough to draw an eyebrow from the little mister. 19:37 ibeardslee Stuff has changed the title of the article 19:37 Brooke outstanding 19:37 Brooke Whose tubes? Our tubes! 19:38 ibeardslee o_0 19:39 slef I think Brooke is getting militent. 19:39 wizzyrea http://podcast.radionz.co.nz/mnr/mnr-20111123-0725-horowhenua_library_astonished_us_firm_can_trademark_koha-048.mp3 19:40 Brooke now, now, I'll have you know that not too many years ago, a petty dictator referred to me in a blanket statement as a professional troublemaker. 19:41 Brooke My response was "Where's my paycheck?" 19:42 slef ok, posted to http://www.software.coop/ front page 19:46 wizzyrea slef++ 19:46 slef I am tempted to post "RT @tararobertson: Wow. PTFS/LibLime are a bunch of dicks: http://t.co/3UegADF0 #kohails" but probably shouldn't. :) 19:47 mtj [off] just for the record, i'm *absolutely* against us changing the name to anything other than Koha 19:48 slef [off] mtj: I agree as I just made clear on code4lib: if HLT cannot use the name "Koha" for the software they commissioned, no FOSS project name is ever safe for any user. 19:48 slef [off] this is the base line, people! 19:49 mtj yep, the absolute baseline :) 19:49 wizzyrea [off] rather like drawing a line in the sand eh? 19:50 slef [off] hello j-w-a-g...oh I'm bored now. 19:50 rangi bbl 19:50 mtj [off] people that have a different opinion should have the common-sense to stfu, here :p 19:50 jcamins [off] I'm still confused- in the US, if your proposed trademark is in common use in your particular market, you can't get the trademark. Why is it different in NZ? 19:51 oleonard Not sure why any of that needed to be off the record? 19:51 * jcamins neither. 19:51 wahanui neither is running out of time and beeing a nolifer because of all the zebra problems... 19:51 jcamins wahanui: true. 19:51 wahanui true. is probably it possible to have automatic recurring invoices for each patron? 19:51 oleonard jcamins: yeah, and if there's prior art you shouldn't get a patent. We all see how well that works. 19:51 slef I just did it because I was replying to an off the record comment. 19:52 slef oleonard: I signed a call for a World Intellectual Wealth Organisation to replace WIPO, years ago. Some battles don't change. 19:52 wizzyrea forget true 19:52 slef forget true. 19:52 slef wahanui: forget true. 19:52 wahanui slef, I didn't have anything matching true 19:52 slef heh 19:52 mtj heh , i did it to be funny , coz i said "for the record" :p 19:52 slef silent forgetfulness 19:52 * wizzyrea pulled the jedi mind trick on wahanui 19:53 * Brooke <3s Jedi Mind Tricks. 19:57 mtj i'm looking forward to a response from PTFS about this NZ trademark stuff 19:57 francharb_away i'm looking forward to a response from mtj about ra one 19:57 francharb_away ;) 19:58 mtj ... i guess they are trying to work out if its a better strategy for them to reply, or to shut-up 19:59 mtj haaay, we did see it - across from victoria station 19:59 francharb_away neat! 19:59 francharb_away how was it? did you like it? 20:00 mtj so it was quite exciting seeing VT station explode in the movie!! 20:00 francharb_away i got the soundtrack before leaving... i was less than 200 rupies 20:00 francharb_away :) 20:00 francharb_away thats right! 20:00 francharb_away i forgot about that 20:00 francharb_away wooo 20:01 francharb_away you got the whole experience 20:01 francharb_away was it 3D? 20:01 mtj (we could have possibly been hurt in real life, given the cinema's proximity to the station) 20:01 francharb_away heh 20:01 mtj yep, 3D :p 20:01 francharb_away lucky you! 20:02 mtj the 'chummy chello' song is still sung often 20:02 oleonard I'm not aware of PTFS responding publicly to things like this. In the past they've only used proxies 20:02 mtj "will you be my 'chummy chello'?" 20:03 francharb_away hey ho hey ho 20:03 chris_n cfouts has already responded 20:03 chris_n probably their first "proxy" shot 20:03 francharb_away it's chammak challo by the way but who cares? ;) 20:04 * francharb wondering what kmkale thought about it... 20:05 francharb @later tell kmkale : so ra one? from the perspective of somebody who do understand indi... is it that bad? 20:05 huginn francharb: The operation succeeded. 20:05 mtj 'chummy chello' has makes more sense in kiwi 20:05 francharb i bet! 20:06 mtj loosely translates to 'friendy friend' :)p 20:06 francharb have you seen the indglish version? 20:06 Brooke Character Dheela > Chammak Challo 20:07 * Brooke might have drunk the Sallu kool aid... 20:08 * oleonard shakes his fist at Koha's error handling 20:08 oleonard I must have deleted a title on a list, and now I can't open the list 20:08 jcamins oleonard: fear not! Brooke is here to throw them into the brig! 20:08 oleonard Can't call method "field" on an undefined value at /home/oleonard/kohaclone/C4/Koha.pm line 1217. 20:08 Brooke yarrrr 20:08 jcamins oleonard: didn't we fix that bug? 20:09 wizzyrea indexing? 20:09 wahanui indexing is done by Zebra. 20:09 francharb wahanui? 20:09 wahanui yes, francharb? 20:10 francharb :) 20:10 Brooke wahanui is at least partially slow. 20:10 Brooke wahanui? 20:10 wahanui yes, Brooke? 20:10 Brooke wahanui wahanui is at least partially slow. 20:10 wahanui ...but wahanui is a bot|a repository of important and useful and accurate information... 20:10 oleonard Not indexing I don't think.. XSLT 20:10 Brooke wahanui wahanui is also at least partially slow. 20:10 wahanui okay, Brooke. 20:11 * francharb waving all of you good bye! 20:11 francharb see ya! 20:11 jcamins wahanui? 20:11 wahanui yes, jcamins? 20:12 jcamins wahanui: wahanui? 20:12 wahanui i am a repository of important and useful and accurate information or at least partially slow. 20:12 wizzyrea wow! I have books in my catalog that were accessioned in the year 9999! 20:12 slef oleonard: or responded in private with things I read as threats. 20:12 slef wizzyrea: #FAIL 20:12 wizzyrea hehe 20:12 wizzyrea i k now right! 20:12 wizzyrea even funnier - the earliest of the insane dates is 2012 20:14 oleonard Hm, no, not XSLT, just bad error handling 20:19 Brooke Zoia is much cooler than Waha or Huginn. Summat must be done. 20:20 wizzyrea hrmph. 20:20 * Brooke has bot envy summat fierce. 20:20 * wizzyrea loves our bots 20:20 wizzyrea this is awesome, eythian++ sekjal++ http://blog.openlibrary.org/2011/11/22/kohacon-2011/ 20:21 indradg guys did anyone speak about "approval basis" acquisition support for Koha during last KohaCon? 20:21 indradg Brooke, ^^^ 20:21 jcamins indradg: how would you build on-approval ordering into an ILS? 20:22 indradg jcamins, sounds crazy... right? but thats a way a lot of indian libraries, particularly the public libraries deal with acquisition 20:23 jcamins indradg: no, on-approval makes perfect sense to me. 20:23 jcamins I want to know how to build it into an ILS. 20:24 jcamins Most acquisitions in special collections are on-approval, too. 20:24 indradg jcamins, what happens is that publishers and sellers dump "New arrivals" the libraries picks and choose, but until they do, they need some way to track it 20:24 indradg its a fairly standard practice at public libs 20:24 jcamins Yeah, but once you've added the book to your catalog, the public thinks the books will be available for use. 20:25 indradg that has to be the trick... only available on the staff client, for approval trail 20:28 Brooke oops, I broke #koha again. 20:28 * Brooke plugs teh Interweb cord back in... 20:35 * chris_n holds on for the ride 20:47 oleonard What, now everyone's afraid to speak? 20:48 oleonard Hi Kiwi 20:49 Brooke o/ Kiwi 20:52 maximep bye Wiki :p 20:59 wizzyrea i guess so. 21:12 oleonard Bye all 21:12 wizzyrea by... always too slow 21:13 Brooke indeed 21:14 Brooke oleonard is wiley 21:14 Brooke some other day, cap'n. 21:14 wizzyrea I think I've only caught him once 21:15 Brooke this sounds like excellent fodder for a sekrit bot game... 21:40 Brooke wb cait 21:43 mtj ooh, Koha trademark on nat-radio NZ again, this morning... 21:44 mtj http://podcast.radionz.co.nz/ntn/ntn-20111123-0944-the_koha_trademark_controversy-00.ogg 21:45 cait again? oh 21:46 mtj expert was a bit waffly on this one... but still a good effort 21:52 * sekjal listens 21:54 * wizzyrea listens too 21:55 cait http://lwn.net/Articles/468838/#Comments 21:56 Brooke I don't think he was waffly at all. 21:57 Brooke the host was certainly not neutral. ;) 22:00 wizzyrea "Horror story!" 22:07 cait hm? 22:07 wizzyrea oh the radio link 22:07 wizzyrea right at the end she talks about how it's a horror story 22:10 rangi back 22:11 cait wb :) 22:12 moodaepo [off] So is it a yearly ritual now for the koha community to deal with shit from PTFS/LibLime 22:12 ibeardslee that nine to noon programme does seem to be quite open to 'open'. gnat (Nat Torkington) has a regular session on there. 22:13 * moodaepo shakes his head somewhat exasperated (been shaking it since yesterday of course) sheesh 22:15 wizzyrea this one has gotten quite a bit more traction than our other scuffles. 22:16 * Brooke agrees. 22:16 Brooke I think it's because the thievery is more flagrant than on average. 22:17 wizzyrea sekjal! 22:17 wizzyrea that tweet is hilarious! 22:17 wizzyrea sekjal++ 22:18 sekjal :) 22:18 * moodaepo already sent a message to a friend who recently started work at a LibLimeKoha institution to see if they can migrate off : ) 22:19 wizzyrea that really made me laugh, thanks. 22:19 sekjal glad it worked as intended. 22:20 Brooke so it passes QA? 22:21 ibeardslee rangi: was the trademark mentioned at the presentation? 22:21 rangi yes 22:21 rangi a number of times 22:21 sekjal rules say I can't pass my own work through QA, so I leave that to the community to determine 22:21 rangi with disgust 22:22 ibeardslee anyone high enough up to wander to the appropriate people and apply beatings? 22:22 * wizzyrea passes that - definitely working as intended. 22:24 Brooke I'll countersign ;) 22:25 Brooke ibeardslee: I'd rather not get arrested, but I am close enough to apply scorn. 22:32 cait good night # koha 22:33 rangi night cait 22:33 cait :) 22:33 Brooke d'oh too slow. 22:44 Brooke tea! 22:54 sekjal goodnight, #koha! I'll be back Monday (the holiday starts for me right about.... now!)