Time Nick Message 22:33 eythian at the moment it gives you one that doesn't really have things like zebra hooked up. 22:33 eythian chris_n: the 'koha' package is incomplete, it will eventually (hopefully) give you a koha set up from the get-go, but not yet, and I haven't had time to really dig into it. 20:29 * oleonard wonders what new project has gmcharlt back in business 20:27 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7198] overdue report does not display patron name if firstname and/or surname are null <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7198> 19:57 huginn nengard: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Levittown PA US, Levittown, Pennsylvania is 7.8�C (2:25 PM EST on November 11, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: -2.0�C. Windchill: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.72 in 1006.3 hPa. 19:57 nengard @wunder 19030 19:57 huginn JesseM: The current temperature in Brewer Stratford Marina, Stratford, Connecticut is 8.6�C (2:55 PM EST on November 11, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 36%. Dew Point: -6.0�C. Windchill: 5.0�C. Pressure: 29.67 in 1004.6 hPa (Rising). 19:57 JesseM @wunder 06614 19:52 oleonard What would be a good way to check whether a change to a script has increased its execution time? 19:25 * oleonard wonders why "the man" is or is at weta 19:16 huginn bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 17.2�C (11:14 AM PST on November 11, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010.0 hPa (Falling). 19:16 bg @wunder 93109 18:52 cait have a nice weekend 18:52 rangi good weekends all 18:52 rangi ok time to go do something 18:52 * chris_n is figuring out the hard way :-P 18:52 rangi at weta 18:52 cait only koha-commons 18:52 rangi working for the man 18:51 cait but not sure why 18:51 cait chris_n: I think eythian always says not to use the koha packages 18:51 rangi she is all python now 18:51 rangi hmm maybe 18:51 * oleonard hopes she's still responding to bug reports ;) 18:49 rangi she wrote a lot 18:49 rangi she sat next to me 18:49 * oleonard has been working with a Drupal module she wrote 18:49 rangi yes 18:49 oleonard Speaking of Catalyst, rangi did you work with Brenda Wallace? 18:46 chris_n I'm missing the infamous zebradb lock files 18:46 chris_n hmm... seems not to have on my instance 18:46 rangi I only ever use koha-common tho 18:46 rangi I think they might both 18:45 chris_n does the 'koha' package not setup zebra? 18:44 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded. 18:44 rangi @later tell paul_p new guy from lyon starts at catalyst on tuesday 18:15 jcamins Ah. 18:15 cait so I thought I say good morning 18:15 * chris_n gets his ec2 koha up 18:15 cait first time I see him tonight 18:14 rangi just before bg 18:14 rangi I did a wunder 18:13 jcamins cait: how did you know rangi had just gotten here? It doesn't look like he said anything earlier. 18:13 rangi morning 18:09 chris_n feels like NZ outside 18:09 huginn chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 11.0�C (12:55 PM EST on November 11, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 33%. Dew Point: -5.0�C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Rising). 18:08 chris_n @wunder 28334 18:08 chris_n lol 18:08 oleonard Whoops, too many ^W's. 18:07 cait morning rangi 18:05 * chris_n has never known them to be open to suggestions 18:03 oleonard Perhaps they should take the web site down. 18:01 oleonard It was a promising project for a while there. 18:01 bg [off] but the database is still out there - for a z39.50 target 18:01 oleonard Ah right, I forgot about that 18:00 jcamins oleonard: nope, it depends on Google Gears. 18:00 wizzyrea i will add a note to the bug though about the mappings 18:00 * oleonard wonders if biblios.net is still in business 18:00 wizzyrea aaand I notice that it's already been signed off, lol 18:00 huginn bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 18.0�C (9:58 AM PST on November 11, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1011.7 hPa (Steady). 18:00 bg @wunder 93109 18:00 wizzyrea ty for clearing that up :) 18:00 wizzyrea okies 18:00 wizzyrea oyyy 18:00 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 11.0�C (6:00 AM NZDT on November 12, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady). 18:00 rangi @wunder wellington nz 18:00 oleonard I think you have to do it by hand 18:00 wizzyrea fiddly* 18:00 wizzyrea seems a fidldy thing 18:00 wizzyrea every time 18:00 wizzyrea or do you have to add them by hand 18:00 wizzyrea do those get installed by default now? 17:59 wizzyrea yes thank you that was it 17:58 wizzyrea ty 17:58 * wizzyrea checks that 17:58 wizzyrea AH 17:58 oleonard Anything that is mapped using Keywords to MARC mapping for "subtitle" 17:57 wizzyrea or b and p too? 17:57 wizzyrea did you only put in the h? 17:57 * wizzyrea might be missing something 17:57 wizzyrea http://screencast.com/t/fFTsXeJFws 17:56 wizzyrea ok sec 17:56 wizzyrea right 17:56 oleonard wizzyrea: There should be after my patch 17:55 wizzyrea oleonard re: 7121, there is supposed to be subtitle info on moredetail? 17:55 oleonard Hmm.... Oh, hard. 17:55 oleonard Oh, so how hard would it be to build a new cataloging interface? 17:55 jcamins oleonard: I know better than to touch addbiblio.pl. 17:55 jcamins oleonard: I meant a new cataloging interface. 17:55 oleonard addbiblio.pl is a tangled mess, and every time we touch it we break something. 17:54 oleonard Offhand? Hard. 17:54 jcamins oleonard: how hard do you think it would be to do a cataloging interface with datatables + jeditable? 17:52 chris_n and then skin it as you like 17:52 chris_n quite flexible 17:52 chris_n and use callbacks to munge things up if you like as well 17:52 chris_n l 17:52 chris_n you can write plugins for it as wel 17:52 chris_n lots of very nice possibilities with that tool 17:51 chris_n yes, very nice 17:51 * jcamins thinks that it might be nice to have an interface like that for the cataloging module. 17:51 cait ie-- 17:51 chris_n back to configuring up my aws instance of koha 17:50 jcamins ie-- 17:50 chris_n ie-- # just because 17:50 jcamins Lucky you. :) 17:49 chris_n I work mostly in FF and have the luxury of requiring it for use with in-house apps here ;-) 17:49 chris_n I've not done much testing 17:49 jcamins chris_n: how compatible is it with multiple browsers? 17:48 chris_n perception is 90% of the battle, after all :) 17:48 chris_n the staff interface could probably benefit speed wise from a little ajax, if nothing else 17:47 chris_n hehe 17:47 jcamins (it requires more than just a simple "Wow!") 17:47 jcamins Wowie! 17:47 * jcamins is looking at one of the demos. 17:46 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 2847] Use HTML escape in templates where appropriate <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2847> 17:46 chris_n the datatables website has some very slick demos 17:46 chris_n jcamins: datatables + jeditable 17:46 jcamins chris_n: is datatables a jQuery thing that allows inline editing? 17:46 cait hi chris_n :) 17:45 chris_n heya cait 17:45 chris_n I've done a bunch of work with both in an in-house app; its heavy on js, but very smooth 17:45 cait hi again #koha 17:44 oleonard chris_n: Biblibre was working on a patch for that so I haven't touched it. Don't know if we'll ever see the result 17:44 nengard bg, i'd like you to do a tutorial video on that!! 17:44 chris_n oleonard: I had to do some circ rules editing the other day and thought that would be one area which would benefit from the use of datatables and in-line editing 17:43 bg no worries chris_n - I do miss having brendan - but with the change to oftc - I went simple ;) 17:42 bg but it does work 17:42 bg it takes a little bit of time to get it working right - and I usually pull my hair out 17:42 chris_n didn't recognize your abbreviated nick there for a moment :) 17:42 chris_n heya bg 17:41 chris_n right 17:41 bg yes you can have two different labels on a sheet 17:41 nengard chris_n and bg - but those labels have to be on the same type of label (spine or address type size) right? cause we can't handle two different label sizes on one sheet yet 17:41 wahanui chris_n is release maintainer for 3.2, 3.4, and 3.6. 17:41 bg heya chris_n 17:40 chris_n nengard: what bg said :) 17:39 * jcamins returns. 17:37 bg or visa verse 17:37 bg when you have 1st label be barcode 2nd label be biblio 17:37 bg alternating is 17:37 huginn nengard: The operation succeeded. 17:37 nengard @later tell chris_n when creating a layout what is 'alternating' as a type 17:36 bg so simple but just floats ones boat ;) 17:36 bg HEH 17:36 bg man I love it when a simple little fix (adding four letters to a file) - fixes something that has been annoying me for two years now 17:32 wizzyrea jcamins++ for being a super-helper 17:31 Bren I really appreciate it. 17:31 Bren Thank you for your help jcamins 17:31 wizzyrea hence why it's a bug :) 17:31 wizzyrea it probably did it for you 17:31 wizzyrea you probably didn't do anything 17:31 Bren I'll try to pull together the info on it. I'm happy to file a bug if I could just figure out what I did to cause it. 17:30 * jcamins goes to eat some lunch. 17:30 jcamins Me too, now that I know it's an issue. 17:30 wizzyrea i'm actually kind of surprised we haven't seen that before. 17:29 wizzyrea :) 17:29 wahanui bugs are at http://bugs.koha-community.org/ 17:29 wizzyrea bugs? 17:29 wizzyrea you should file a bug 17:29 wizzyrea ^^ 17:27 jcamins Bren: other people could well run into the same problem. 17:26 jcamins The reason you were having the problem is that the ServerName on the intranet didn't match what you were requesting, and it was just defaulting to the first configured VHost it found. 17:26 Bren My noobish attempt at setting this up may not be bug worthy. 17:24 jcamins (by "we", I actually mean "you", as the person who experienced it;) 17:24 jcamins We should perhaps file a bug about the fact that they don't handle separate ports quite right. 17:23 jcamins The packages are generally used with subdomains. 17:23 * jcamins never uses different ports with the packages, so he didn't think of checking that first. 17:23 jcamins There's the problem. 17:23 jcamins It *should* just be... 17:23 jcamins Bren: yeah, that's completely wrong. It just be localhost for the OPAC and localhost:8080 for the intranet. 17:22 Bren LibraryLOCALHOST 17:22 jcamins Bren: and what's the ServerName for those two VirtualHosts? 17:21 Bren Ten minutes ago. 17:21 Bren I just changed it to 8080 from 80 17:19 jcamins <VirtualHost *:8080>? 17:19 bg Bren - you wouldn't happen to be named Brendan would you? 17:19 Bren And 8080 on Intranet 17:18 Bren <VirtualHost *:80> for opac 17:15 Bren I just added it now to see what would happen 17:15 jcamins Bren: I meant the actual VirtualHost definitions in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/whatever 17:15 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7121] remove comma on items info <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7121> 17:15 jcamins *:8080? 17:14 Bren NameVirtualHost *:80 and 8080 in ports.conf 17:13 jcamins Odd. Are you sure your VirtualHosts are configured to listen on the proper interface? 17:12 Bren Now it just returns unable to connect 17:10 jcamins (or *:8080 if you're using *) 17:08 * wizzyrea knew jcamins would come up with something 17:08 jcamins Add Listen localhost:8080 to your ports.conf. 17:08 jcamins Bren: ooh, I bet I know what it is. 17:08 huginn nengard: The operation succeeded. 17:08 nengard @later tell chris_n neverdmind - sample_creator_data was the file :) 17:07 Bren Bren googling for the last two days. 17:07 wizzyrea not that I'm aware of 17:06 Bren Is there a way to set maintenance mode on or off from a config file? 17:02 huginn nengard: The operation succeeded. 17:02 nengard @later tell chris_n bg and I were doing some research and couldn't find the sample labels for english installs - was there ever a file? there is one in the polish folder and the french folder but not the english one 17:02 jcamins For that matter, I'm not sure that I've ever run a Koha install on localhost, period. 17:02 jcamins Bren: I'm not sure. I've never actually tried to access a package install on localhost. 17:02 jcamins Bren: okay, I had a problem with Chrome "fixing" my URLs and removing the port. 17:01 Bren Running firefox. If you Talking about the browser. 17:01 Bren Any page I visit on localhost sends me to maintenance 17:00 jcamins And you're certain this isn't Chrome automatically removing the :8080? 17:00 jcamins Bren: hm. That is very peculiar. I've never experienced that problem. 17:00 Bren Internet set to 8080 16:59 Bren I have opac set to port 80 16:58 nengard there are files in other language folders ? just not EN 16:58 jcamins chris_n is release maintainer for 3.2, 3.4, and 3.6. 16:57 wahanui jcamins: I forgot chris_n 16:57 jcamins wahanui: forget chris_n 16:57 wahanui ...but chris_n is release maintainer for 3.4, and merges things into 3.4.x branch... 16:57 jcamins wahanui: no, chris_n is release maintainer for 3.2, 3.4, and 3.6. 16:56 wahanui hmmm... chris_n is release maintainer for 3.4, and merges things into 3.4.x branch 16:56 nengard chris_n? 16:56 nengard does anyone know where the sample label data is? when you do an install it asks if you want to install the sample label data, but i don't see it in the EN folder in the installer 16:55 jcamins Bren: swapped ports on intranet/opac? Take a look at /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/whatever 16:54 Bren I'm using localhost for now, but the problem I'm getting is that when I try to connect to 8080 to run the web installer I'm redirected to the maintenance.pl page 16:54 * jcamins waits to hear what the problem actually is, having exhausted his store of unsolicited advice. 16:53 jcamins Bren: man koha-create should clarify, if the problem is the koha-sites.conf. 16:52 * jcamins did that last night. Thought the packages had suddenly, inexplicably broken, and spent a while trying to troubleshoot it, before realizing that I had forgotten a period. ;) 16:51 jcamins Bren: or, like me, you can't type your own domain name. ;) 16:51 wizzyrea worst place for it, but it is what it is. 16:51 jcamins Bren: I suspect the part you're having problems with is the lack of a koha-sites.conf (or something like that). 16:51 wizzyrea you can ask your question here... really, sadly, the documentation lives in us :P 16:50 jcamins Omnomnomnom. 16:50 Bren Rofl 16:50 * wizzyrea thinks that your autocorrects are THE BEST 16:49 Bren Set * 16:49 Bren I need more info on what it does to eat up apache 16:47 Bren Yea I looked at that 16:47 wizzyrea http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Commands_provided_by_the_Debian_packages 16:46 chris_n jcamins: just do web based over ssl 16:46 wizzyrea :D 16:46 Bren Damn auto correct...... 16:46 * wizzyrea laughed a bit at "deviants" 16:46 Bren Debian* 16:46 Bren Is there any indepth documentation for the koha-common package for deviants? 16:42 kf weekend time - bye all :) 16:41 jcamins Maybe better to just upload into a database, and have a script that retrieves the image based on a param? 16:40 * jcamins knows that's a bad idea. 16:39 oleonard People end up changing permissions to 777 just so their uploads will work 16:39 oleonard Maybe not if you know what you're doing and have control over the server, but that's not true of everyone installing software like Drupal, for instance. 16:38 * jcamins grumbles about nothing being as easy as it ought. 16:38 oleonard jcamins: The problem is that getting the right permissions on files and folders is difficult 16:37 jcamins Right. Hence why I'm thinking I need some sort of web-based uploader. 16:37 chris_n but perl stuff will require win32 perl to run on winders 16:37 chris_n maybe Net::SSH::Perl? 16:36 chris_n a quick google returns Net::SFTP as a possible candidate 16:34 jcamins chris_n: the problem is that I need something I can use from Windows computers that are not mine, where I can't install Putty. 16:33 chris_n you mean sftp or ssh or some such? 16:33 jcamins So you're telling me no one has ever written a PHP or Perl script that securely handles uploading and retrieving images? 16:33 jcamins Bah, humbug. 16:33 jcamins True. 16:32 talljoy amen 16:32 chris_n the law of difficulty simply stated is the appearance of difficulty and the reality of difficulty are inversely proportional 16:30 talljoy jcamins should know it is always the seemingly easy things that are inordinately difficult. 16:30 * jcamins can't believe that there is no program out there that has solved this problem. 16:30 jcamins Hm. 16:29 * chris_n takes the deb packages out for a test drive 16:27 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6874 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, julian.maurice, ASSIGNED , File upload in MARC 16:27 oleonard See the comments on Bug 6874 to dissuade you of that notion 16:26 jcamins So I guess the "challenging" part there is something to conveniently upload images, which doesn't seem like it should be too difficult. 16:25 jcamins Things like this are *not obvious* to me. 16:25 * jcamins is not a front-end developer. 16:24 jcamins oleonard: thanks. :) 16:24 oleonard AJAX uses http, so that would be... a web server? 16:23 jcamins Does anyone know of any server-side programs (no idea what they'd be called) that would easily enable one to fetch images out of them using AJAX? 16:09 kf only attaching them to the bug now 16:08 oleonard bg: It was a fairly recent change in procedure 16:08 * bg loves the git-bz when it works 16:08 bg it doesn't hurt I guess 16:08 bg oh whoops I usually email the signed off ones too 16:06 nengard that's what i was doing today 16:06 nengard okey dokey 16:06 oleonard That's the way I understand it 16:05 nengard we're not emailing signed off patches anymore ? right? 16:05 wahanui signed off is approval 16:05 nengard signed off 16:03 nengard testing 16:03 nengard okey dokey 16:02 oleonard ...because I found a different correction to make. 16:02 oleonard Yes 16:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5150 trivial, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Issuing should read Circulation 16:02 nengard oleonard based on your last comment ? does bug 5150 need sign off still? 15:48 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6475] Edit it's not possible subfield "0" in MARC framework <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6475> 15:45 kf sent you a pm, it's long 15:45 wahanui the error message is correct because that's not how you're supposed to run it 15:45 jcamins What's the error message? 15:45 jcamins Uh-oh. 15:45 kf and now it will not start and presents me an error message 15:45 kf it died during a snapshot 15:45 jcamins kf: what happened to it? 15:44 jcamins :( 15:44 kf I killed my koha vm *cries* 15:40 nengard sorry about that 15:40 nengard i had that in there when it didn't apply and then i re-read and apparently when i refreshed it left my message text in there 15:40 nengard yeah - i see what i did 15:38 * oleonard assumed from the last comment 15:38 nengard that's how i found out 15:38 nengard read the comment thread 15:38 nengard i signed off on the follow up 15:38 nengard it doesn't apply cause it was pushed 15:37 nengard paul's patch was pushed already 15:37 nengard no - signed off ;) 15:37 oleonard nengard: Didn't you mean to set 6977 as "does not apply?" 15:35 jwagner good morning jcamins 15:33 jcamins Good morning, #koha. 15:32 Bren Hi 15:29 kf hi Bren 15:23 Bren How's everyone doing? 15:22 wahanui que tal, Bren 15:22 Bren Hello 15:16 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 4530] Circulation & fines rules aren't always applied from most specific to less specific <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4530> 15:11 kf or changed files 15:11 kf and git status should show now conflicts 15:11 kf you can check with git log - see if the patch appears on top 15:11 kf looks ok to me 15:11 kf yep 15:10 kf checking :) 15:05 nengard kf read my comment on 4530 - is that applied? 15:02 kf nengard: you could try on 4530 - but might still fail 15:02 kf only thought it would help you to know - might get some things to apply 15:01 kf not sure which bug 15:01 kf I wrote the same as here :) 15:01 kf hmm 14:52 nengard which bug? testing a bunch this morning 14:48 kf so sometimes a patch will apply when you do -is3 instead, but not when using git bz 14:48 kf nengard: left a comment for you on the bug - the git bz apply does not do the -3 14:48 kf nengard: or try a git am -is3 /home.... 14:44 chris_n np :) 14:43 nengard thanks 14:43 nengard that didn't work but git am --abort did :) 14:43 chris_n then do the git-bz thing again 14:43 chris_n try 'git rebase --abort' 14:42 nengard Patch left in /tmp/patch-WVAVQH.patch" 14:42 nengard what does this mean when I try to use git bz to apply a patch "previous rebase directory /home/nengard/kohaclone/.git/rebase-apply still exists but mbox given. 14:41 * chris_n proceeds to rip oracle's java off of his ubuntu install and replace it with openJDK 14:26 jwagner Grump. Speaking of life not being fair, I'm working on a holiday specifically to accomodate one client who swore he couldn't reschedule a training session for any other day. Now he's cancelled it. 14:10 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7124] Back to search wrapping in lower resolutions <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7124> 14:09 jwagner At times, yes :-) 14:08 kf jwagner: but fun :) 14:05 jwagner kf, life is not fair :-) 13:56 kf and hi jcamins_away too - not so away it seems :) 13:55 kf hi oleonard :) 13:54 kf I had a webinar training... and now I come back to #koha conspirating against me 13:54 kf omg 13:45 oleonard He didn't even ask to be excused. 13:43 Oak me go now. 13:38 druthb :) 13:35 Oak ...and not only tells what to do* 13:35 Oak she has lot of patience. and very kind. and not tells what to do, but also the reason why we are doing it. and what are the alternatives... 13:33 Oak kf++ 13:31 * druthb does too...and inspiration, too. 13:31 * jcamins_away always looks to kf for enlightenment and wisdom. 13:20 druthb Oak++ #good plan! 13:19 Oak the cookies i'll receive from the teacher will give them to others to call cait teacher. evil. i know. soon there will be a "teacher movement" and all will be looking at cait for enlightenment and wisdom. 13:16 Oak :] 13:15 druthb rofl 13:15 Oak nah, i'm just kidding. go ahead. let's figure out ways to annoy the teacher. soon magnuse will join i hope. 13:14 druthb hehehe 13:13 Oak don't tease my teacher druthb 13:13 * druthb watches for steam to start coming out of kf's ears. 13:12 Oak can i go to washroom now, teacher? 13:12 Oak yes mam 13:11 kf ok, sign-off until next weekend then 13:11 Oak Monday to Wednesday. 13:11 oleonard Comment spam: http://koha-community.org/koha-3-6-0-released/comment-page-1/#comment-4086 13:11 druthb Can I bring a new library live on Koha as an extra-credit project? 13:11 Oak oh wait, my exams starting on Monday 13:11 druthb yes ma'am. :) 13:10 kf more cookies for more bugs 13:10 Oak yes mam 13:10 kf druthb: sign off on a bug this weekend 13:10 kf Oak: sign off on a bug this weekend 13:10 kf homework for today 13:10 kf ok 13:10 druthb naah, I just like the outfit. 13:10 * druthb tries to look innocent. 13:09 kf sure, you would side with him 13:09 kf rofl 13:07 * druthb puts on a cute little schoolgirl uniform, and gets ready for class. 13:07 Oak teacher, can i have 2 cookies? 13:07 druthb kf: teachersnack apple. 13:06 * kf promises Oak a cookie for not calling her teacher 13:06 kf and now he got confused 13:06 kf I showed Oak how to sign-off on bugs 13:05 druthb kf == teacher? I musta missed something overnight. 13:05 Oak hehe 13:05 * kf growls 13:05 Oak i mean, yes, teacher. 13:04 Oak yup 13:04 kf Oak: back from the bazaar? 13:04 kf hi oleonard 12:59 druthb Hello, oleonard. :) 12:58 oleonard 'sup. 12:50 nengard morning 12:50 druthb Good morning, #koha! 12:44 jwagner Hi Oak 12:44 Oak hello nengard, jwagner :) 12:09 kf t 12:09 * kf comes back ou 11:55 Oak me go to bazaar now. 11:50 * kf hides 11:50 Oak :-D 11:50 magnuse moahaha 11:49 Oak well, will annoy her when she gets back from work 11:49 Oak ah 11:49 Oak :) 11:49 magnuse i think she is boycotting you now, Oak... 11:48 Oak that's you kf. answer. 11:48 Oak teacher, may i go to the washroom please? 11:45 magnuse hehe 11:45 Oak :) 11:45 Oak deal with it. 11:45 Oak now you'll always be my teacher. 11:44 Oak you taught me 11:44 kf and I am not teaching anyone 11:44 kf don't say that, now I feel old 11:44 kf uuh 11:44 * Oak never winks at his teachers 11:41 Oak uh oh. not winking. shift key stuck. 11:41 Oak good ;) 11:41 kf but fixed it :) 11:41 kf yeah 11:39 Oak item stuck in transit kf? 10:59 kf yeah :( 10:59 magnuse i'd paraphrase if i were you, just to be safe... :-( 10:59 kf hm not sure really :( 10:58 dpavlin ups. from http://web.archive.org/web/20100826011033/http://biblios.org/docs/biblios-send-api to our wiki? 10:58 dpavlin Can I bulk copy/paste relevant parts from 11:52 < kf> tainted? 10:56 dpavlin It seems consistant with current implementation. 10:56 kf I have an item stuck in transit... someone an idea? 10:56 kf *sighs* 10:56 kf I think we need new documentation, was only wondering if that could be helpful for you 10:55 dpavlin It's nicer that my docs, but than again, I'm not native speaker. 10:55 kf found it in internet archive 10:55 kf I don't think so... it's a piece of very old documentation about the api 10:54 kf tainted? 10:54 dpavlin will I be tainted if I look at this page? ;-) 10:54 kf perhaps helpful for your documentation? 10:53 kf dpavlin: I found that: http://web.archive.org/web/20100826011033/http://biblios.org/docs/biblios-send-api 10:53 kf the 001 should be unique, but there is a chance that people manage to reuse the number... I really need to write a plugin for that in koha one day 10:53 kf what we would like to do is use it for updates 10:52 kf dpavlin: yeah, that looks good .) 10:52 dpavlin which might return plain/text with one biblio number in each row (for easy scripting) or full MARCXML dump with optional ?limit=3 param? 10:52 AmitG heya dpavlin 10:50 dpavlin kf: something like /svc/search/856$u=http://example.com or /svc/search/001=123456 10:48 kf but this is not really well supported in koha right now... special use case here 10:48 kf supporting control number (001 from record) additional to bibnumber 10:48 kf ideal for us would be 10:47 dpavlin (pending Solr search rewrite, and biased -- I still need one more coffee :-) 10:46 dpavlin (or any other field). But with current Koha search rewrite, I'm allmost biasd towards implementation which use SQL and XPATH... 10:45 dpavlin OOH, I would like to see also search implemented. Our use case is to get borrower number from existing records in Koha based on 856$u 10:43 magnuse (ouch, i meant i was happy someone was working on this, not that i was thinking about it for ill...) 10:43 dpavlin kf: it doesn't call any of items koha API, just biblio. But it shouldn't be too hard to add. 10:43 magnuse i would think pushing records with data in 952 should work? 10:42 kf do you know if you can also create items with it? 10:42 * magnuse too 10:42 kf that patrons request 10:42 kf I have been toying with the idea to use it create records for ill 10:42 kf very happy someone is workingo n it 10:42 dpavlin We have another library in Croatia which is about to push meta-data about papers from CMS to Koha, so that was primary motivation for writing documentation. I needed to send them some URL to implement it :-) 10:42 kf dpavlin: I think it was developed for biblios.net and there used to be some documentation - but seems it got lost :( 10:42 kf dpavlin++ 10:40 magnuse i know swedish libraries are interested in having records pushed into koha when they buy new stuff 10:40 magnuse yeah, nice 10:39 dpavlin My own use-case is continuous import from EPrints to Koha (which should be really easy with /svc/ API ;-) 10:39 dpavlin I'm toying with idea of creating in-line package Koha::SVC::Client so you can just require script and create programmatic import 10:38 magnuse dpavlin++ 10:38 magnuse very cool 10:38 dpavlin I think that would be useful part of Koha's tool chain. 10:38 dpavlin I will turn script into command-line utility before submission which will allow to get/create/update biblio record 10:37 magnuse what's the goal for the script - to have it be part of koha, as a usable example? 10:37 magnuse and to have an example script that works with it 10:37 magnuse but it's great to have it documented! 10:36 magnuse dpavlin: i don't think a lot of people have a lot of experience with it ;-) 10:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7213 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, NEW , Document /svc/ HTTP API and provide example command-line client 10:34 dpavlin I would appriciate feedback on bug 7213 and http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_/svc/_HTTP_API since I'm newbie with this API 10:17 magnuse guess you'd have to know the url? 10:16 kf hm no 10:15 kf testing that :) 10:15 magnuse wayback machine, if nothing else? 10:14 * Oak goes to lunch 10:13 kf wonder if the interent still remembers that somewhere... hmmm! 10:13 kf because there once was a quite nice documentation on the biblios page for it 10:13 kf I knew we had it 10:13 kf yeah 10:13 magnuse in sweden they need to push records into koha - related to buying materials. very relevant for that too 10:12 magnuse ah yes, that too 10:12 kf ILL! 10:12 kf yep 10:11 magnuse and that api in /svc is pretty cool, btw 10:10 kf will try 10:10 kf nah, got distracted 10:08 magnuse or do you still want me to? 10:07 magnuse you can do it! 10:07 magnuse no idea why the nav is pushed down when there isn't a category... 10:06 magnuse just edit the page and add it to a category (checkboxes below the textarea) and the nav should be ok 10:05 kf would you? plzß 10:05 kf the nav on http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_/svc/_HTTP_API is broken... and I still don't know how to work with the categories 10:05 magnuse kf 10:05 kf magnuse: :) 10:01 Oak hello AmitG :) 10:01 AmitG heya Oak ;D 10:01 Oak Partly Cloudy wins 10:01 huginn AmitG: The current temperature in Dehradun, India is 26.0�C (2:30 PM IST on November 11, 2011). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: 17.0�C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa. 10:01 AmitG @wunder Dehradun 10:01 huginn AmitG: The current temperature in Bangalore, India is 27.0�C (2:30 PM IST on November 11, 2011). Conditions: . Humidity: 30%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. 10:01 AmitG @wunder bangalore 10:01 AmitG wunder @bangalore 09:59 Oak :) 09:59 magnuse hehe 09:59 huginn Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 27.0�C (2:00 PM PKT on November 11, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). 09:59 Oak @wunder islamabad 09:59 Oak nah, i don't smoke. 09:59 magnuse ooh 09:59 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 8.0�C (10:50 AM CET on November 11, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Windchill: 6.0�C. Pressure: 30.51 in 1033 hPa (Steady). 09:59 magnuse @wunder boo 09:59 magnuse yup. need to borrow some light? 09:58 Oak got a light? 09:58 magnuse Oak 09:58 Oak magnuse 09:36 magnuse hehe 09:35 * mle_away looks in. 09:34 kf only complaining every 3rd meeting 09:34 kf it's ok :) 09:34 kf but not for everyone I guess 09:34 kf only moving it by an hour 2 hours... would help 09:29 magnuse lots of people tried to find a better scheme, but they came up empty handed, i think 09:26 kf *sighs+ 09:25 magnuse so everyone would get the meeting in the middle of the night every now and then? 09:25 * kf grumbles 09:25 kf yeah, tell me why we started doing that? 09:24 magnuse well, since we move it by 8 hours it will be like that every third time 09:24 kf but 3! 09:24 kf it was hard 09:24 kf I did the 4 am thing last time 09:24 kf yeha 09:24 kf that is a real bad plan 09:24 magnuse count me out... 09:24 magnuse 3 am it is 09:23 kf http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_Meeting,_16_November_2011 09:23 kf hi AmitG 09:23 magnuse namaste AmitG 09:23 AmitG hi kf, magnuse 09:23 magnuse ? 09:23 kf did I do the conversion wrong or is the next irc meeting really at 3 am? 09:22 kf ugh 09:21 kf hi magnuse :) 09:15 magnuse kia ora kf and #koha 09:02 kf good morning #koha 06:05 cait hi AmitG 06:05 AmitG heya cait 05:24 Oak :) 05:24 cait hello mr Oak 05:23 Oak hello miss cait 05:11 cait hi #koha 05:07 eythian http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/5951609/Long-weekends-could-benefit-NZ <-- I agree 04:37 AmitG :D 04:37 AmitG D 04:36 Oak Hello AmitG :) 04:31 Amit_Gupta heya Oak, druthb 04:06 druthb hi, Oak! :) 04:03 Oak hello druthb :) 04:03 Oak kia ora #koha 03:46 talljoy but now is good time with holidays coming up 03:46 talljoy i've made borax snowflakes b4. that was fun. although takes time. 03:45 wizzyrea me too 03:45 talljoy love oobleck. 03:45 wizzyrea (oobleck) 03:45 wizzyrea and we've already broached non-newtonian fluids 03:45 talljoy ooblek 03:45 talljoy and that weird cornstarch solid/liquid concotion 03:45 wizzyrea I was going to make cloud dough 03:45 jcamins_away talljoy: yes, but I still think they would probably taste gross. 03:44 talljoy you have to make flubber 03:44 wizzyrea wherein we perform all of the weird science tricks of the internet 03:44 talljoy pickled eggs - people eat em 03:44 * wizzyrea envisions "science saturday" 03:44 jcamins_away talljoy: gross. 03:44 talljoy wonder how it tastes 03:40 wizzyrea http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrVuag3YCtQ&feature=related 03:40 wizzyrea oh I am so making one of these for spud 03:33 talljoy hi! 03:33 Amit_Gupta heya talljoy 03:33 talljoy lol 03:33 wahanui i think evening is better for me - but not too late 03:33 talljoy evening! 03:33 Amit_Gupta Good morning #koha :D 03:33 Amit_Gupta heya chris 03:32 talljoy riveting watching i'm sure 03:32 talljoy oh dur. 03:32 wizzyrea the milk goes curdly 03:32 talljoy what does happen? 03:31 wizzyrea hm that was underwhelming. 03:31 talljoy sounds like a guy I went out with ^ 03:30 * wizzyrea clicks on "don't mix milk with red bull" 03:13 jcamins_away Kind of interesting, I suppose. 03:13 jcamins_away 300 wooden matches? 03:12 rangi yeah its just noise 03:12 * jcamins_away isn't so impressed by this one, actually. 03:12 rangi im watching that one too now jcamins_away 03:11 jcamins_away 10.5 million firecrackers? 03:11 rangi sweet! 03:11 jcamins_away And it's just getting more incredible. 03:10 * jcamins_away just reached 2:15. 03:10 rangi hehe 03:10 jcamins_away OMG! That's incredible! 03:10 wizzyrea it really goes about 2:15 03:10 wizzyrea lol that looks TERRIBLY dangerous 03:10 jcamins_away Ah, so there is. 03:09 wizzyrea yea, about 1:35 03:09 jcamins_away It looks kind of... gray. 03:09 jcamins_away Uhhh... is there video? 03:09 wizzyrea lol the guy in the middle "OW!" 03:08 rangi heh thats pretty awesome 03:08 druthb :) 03:08 * jcamins_away waves back, equally excitedly. 03:08 * wizzyrea waves at druthb 03:08 * druthb waves excitedly at wizzyrea and jcamins 03:08 wizzyrea http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Wir0qJdLYI&feature=related 03:08 wizzyrea sorry 03:08 wizzyrea no 03:08 wizzyrea http://www.instructables.com/id/Cobra-Weave-Exploding-Stick-Bomb/ 03:08 jcamins_away They did it for science! 03:07 rangi hehe 03:07 wizzyrea 20000 bottle rockets 03:07 jcamins_away Only 91? Apparently there's a video with 622. 03:05 wizzyrea oh. dear. 03:05 rangi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XtgAAc2DBU&feature=related 03:05 jcamins_away Oops. 03:05 rangi zomg 03:05 wizzyrea :O 03:04 rangi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0QTar0MEwc&feature=related 03:03 jcamins_away Yeah, pretty impressive. 03:02 rangi hehe yeah 03:02 wizzyrea I like the "woohoo" at the end 03:01 wizzyrea :D 03:01 wizzyrea :S 03:01 rangi http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&NR=1&v=jiWxU3jXOFc 03:00 wizzyrea http://www.instructables.com/id/Cobra-Weave-Exploding-Stick-Bomb/ 03:00 wizzyrea hehe 03:00 jcamins_away Wow! I don't see exactly how that works, though. 03:00 rangi once they stop hitting each other with them 03:00 rangi hehe 03:00 * wizzyrea sees rangi doing that with the kids this weekend ^.^ 02:59 rangi awesome! 02:59 wizzyrea in that case; http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hzrwG0dNhDE 02:58 Phlunk3 lol 02:57 rangi im not gonna stop you posting them 02:57 wizzyrea :D 02:57 rangi its 5 mins to beer oclock 02:57 rangi heh 02:57 wizzyrea last one I promise: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LE-JN7_rxtE 02:55 jcamins_away Wow! 02:52 wizzyrea very few videos there that kiddo hasn't fully enjoyed 02:52 rangi that is a good blog 02:52 wizzyrea *nod* starlings 02:52 Phlunk3 those are birds right? 02:52 wizzyrea thekidshouldseethis.com 02:52 wizzyrea found that at one of my favorite blogs: 02:51 wizzyrea and bats 02:51 talljoy bats 02:51 * rangi is glad he gave it a chance 02:51 wizzyrea i can't believe birds can do that 02:50 rangi oh that is pretty amazing 02:50 wizzyrea :P 02:50 rangi only cos its you asking 02:49 wizzyrea and 54s is even better 02:49 wizzyrea ok, really give this a chance until about 23s, which is when it gets good: http://vimeo.com/31158841 02:44 rangi is an epic name for a band 02:44 rangi mostly because Michael Viner's Incredible Bongo Band 02:44 rangi http://soundcloud.com/dj_copycat/michael-viners-incredible 02:44 rangi and the last one ill post 02:43 libsysguy you can check out what I implemented 02:43 wizzyrea epic might be overstating a bit. 02:43 libsysguy http://lib.uttyler.edu/ 02:43 wizzyrea >.> 02:43 rangi heh 02:43 wizzyrea i mean... it's a pretty good solution, imo 02:42 wizzyrea it's epic 02:42 libsysguy I haven't 02:42 wizzyrea if you want chat support 02:42 wizzyrea libsysguy have you looked into webim? 02:42 rangi banjo and dubstep 02:40 rangi http://soundcloud.com/thefunkhunters/neil-young-old-man-remix 02:40 rangi :) 02:39 * wizzyrea sits on a ball at work... bounced all day yesterday and today to foster the people 02:38 rangi probably ;) 02:38 wizzyrea well at least it's how I found foster the people... 02:38 wizzyrea isn't this guy how we found foster the people? 02:38 libsysguy equally good 02:38 rangi not yet 02:38 libsysguy rangi did you watch his other video? 02:37 rangi oldy but a goody 02:37 rangi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJCWQRrmw24 02:37 wizzyrea HEHE 02:36 eythian b: 100 of them would just WUB WUB WUB the dirty parts away 02:36 rangi heh 02:36 eythian a: One hundred. One to clean it, and ninety-nine to talk about how dirty it is. 02:36 wizzyrea oh yea pumped up kicks is epiiiiic 02:36 eythian > How many dubstep musicians does it take to clean a shower? 02:36 libsysguy it looks like he has a puppet master 02:36 libsysguy im not even sure how he is pulling this off 02:35 eythian it's been there already 02:35 rangi 4.13 !! 02:35 rangi holy crap 02:35 libsysguy i just had to submit it to reddit...that good 02:34 Phlunk3 yeah that guy is amazing, saw it a few weeks ago :D 02:34 rangi this dancer is blowing my mind 02:33 libsysguy yeah it works fine with ajax calls...it just is a little delayed 02:33 rangi it'd probably be fine for that 02:32 libsysguy for support 02:32 libsysguy ahh...well I was going to use it for this chat application to build into my drupal site 02:32 rangi i think its cool for some things 02:32 libsysguy crap... 02:32 rangi single thread 02:32 rangi we were dissing it this weekend at kiwicon 02:32 libsysguy wow...is he floating 02:32 libsysguy any word? 02:32 rangi the dance is pretty amazing 02:31 libsysguy I've heard the normal song...but not the dubstep remix 02:31 rangi not me, but ppl here at work have, and chilts has 02:31 libsysguy anybody messed with Node.js? 02:31 rangi have you seen this? 02:31 rangi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXO-jKksQkM 02:30 libsysguy lmao 02:30 rangi I was 6 years old, playing at the bottom of the stairs in my house, when I saw my morbidly obese aunt slouch to the top of the stairs and step on my Thomas the Tank Engine. Her fat ass flew into the air, bounced off the bannister and instead of rolling down the stairs, actually crashed THROUGH the staircase and dropped into the cupboard below it, hospitalising her for 6 weeks. That was the most brutal drop I had ever experienced... Until I heard 0.55 02:29 rangi that top comment is pretty epic 02:29 libsysguy oh nyan cat you so silly 02:29 rangi heh 02:28 eythian http://youtu.be/BeGjTiUqw8U 02:26 libsysguy oh the dubstep goodness 02:26 rangi oh dubsteppy 02:25 libsysguy rangi: http://soundcloud.com/hueyp/flux-pavillion-mix 02:17 eythian kohacon people can tell you about monkies. 02:16 rangi http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hRTh63rRDtA 02:16 eythian nor "murderous" for that matter. 02:14 eythian I didn't say "deathly" 02:14 slef well, it is a dying one 02:14 * slef stabs eythian with his subjunctive 02:14 * eythian shows his .... 02:13 eythian *were 02:13 talljoy just saying. 02:13 talljoy i wish i was 2 feet from the yahoo who called me two. 02:13 rangi http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=release-tools.git;a=summary 02:12 wizzyrea bbiab 02:12 rangi chris_n++ 02:12 rangi oh cool 02:12 wizzyrea lol 02:12 rangi heh 02:12 * eythian shows his "supporter of the dying subjunctive" badge 02:12 wizzyrea 2 is pretty awesome 02:12 eythian *were 02:11 rangi i wish i was 2 02:11 wizzyrea hee 02:09 talljoy am not, are so, am not, are so 02:09 talljoy no, since clearly i'm a least four. 02:09 wizzyrea toddlerizing is generally not uh, the best idea 02:09 talljoy yea. pretty sure i wasn't supposed to see that last remark. 02:09 wizzyrea O.o 02:08 talljoy sigh. 02:08 talljoy coming back to a message where i'm referred to as a two year old. 02:08 talljoy sitting by a putz (my ex husband) 02:07 talljoy painfully patriotic play by prepubescents 02:07 talljoy helluva an evening. 02:07 wizzyrea how was the musical? 02:07 talljoy wassup! 02:07 talljoy chur 02:07 rangi chur talljoy 01:42 rangi :( 01:41 slef what else would I want to be doing at 2am the night before a conference? 01:41 slef time to start bringing up a backup from another data centre if I can, I guess :-/ 01:40 rangi ahh crap 01:39 slef I hate it when I'm 6h away from the data centre and there's no response from the on-site workers. 01:36 rangi bye buster 01:16 rangi hi buster 01:06 slef and now, high packet loss to one of our data centres :-/ 01:02 rangi not usually no 01:02 slef nothing's simple, is it? 01:02 rangi the booked up would perhaps be the issue 01:02 rangi but might want to check with others 01:02 rangi i think id cope 01:02 slef mle_away: 4th and 5th June are bank holidays :-/ 01:02 rangi right 01:01 slef mainly banks, but mass transport runs strange schedules and things get more booked up 01:01 rangi does the city shut down? or just the banks? 01:01 slef stupid bloody royal jubilee means some of our bank holidays are on irregular dates 01:00 rangi but im the guy who organised kohacon10 on labour day 01:00 rangi not to me 01:00 rangi yep, i couldnt parse that at all 01:00 slef ARGH. 4th and 5th June are bank holidays. Anyone think it matters? 01:00 wizzyrea sometimes, you just can't help 00:59 rangi i tried 00:51 rangi it might be worth asking here 00:51 rangi http://groups.yahoo.com/group/koha-es/ 00:50 rangi vvilchez: do you speak spanish? 00:50 rangi hmm still not understanding :( 00:50 vvilchez My institution does not venture to make and there are 57,000 records updated 00:48 wizzyrea me either 00:48 rangi vvilchez: hmm i dont quite understand what you mean im afraid 00:48 rangi i was thinking 16 versions ago (but there was some overlap of 3.2.x and 3.4.x) 00:47 vvilchez give notice of delay alone does not reflect the fines 00:47 wizzyrea :P 00:47 rangi ah yeah sorry 00:47 rangi nope 00:47 rangi ? 00:47 wizzyrea a year old 00:46 rangi right 3.2.0 very old 00:46 vvilchez 3.02.00.004 00:45 rangi but if you tell us the problem you have with fines, we can tell you if its fixed in a newer version 00:45 rangi (either way its pretty old ) 00:44 rangi the about page should tell ya 00:44 rangi 3.2.0 , 3.2.9 3.2.10 ? :) 00:43 rangi right 3.2.? 00:43 vvilchez 3.2 00:43 rangi 3.2.? or 3.0.2 ? 00:42 vvilchez koha 3.02 00:42 vvilchez I have problems with fines 00:42 vvilchez hi! 00:41 rangi hi vvilchez 00:38 vvilchez Buenas! 00:12 rangi http://www.theverge.com/2011/11/10/2551758/toys-r-us-nabi-tablet-kids-199-99-price-availability 00:12 rangi oh this is pretty cool