Time Nick Message 00:12 rangi oh this is pretty cool 00:12 rangi http://www.theverge.com/2011/11/10/2551758/toys-r-us-nabi-tablet-kids-199-99-price-availability 00:38 vvilchez Buenas! 00:41 rangi hi vvilchez 00:42 vvilchez hi! 00:42 vvilchez I have problems with fines 00:42 vvilchez koha 3.02 00:43 rangi 3.2.? or 3.0.2 ? 00:43 vvilchez 3.2 00:43 rangi right 3.2.? 00:44 rangi 3.2.0 , 3.2.9 3.2.10 ? :) 00:44 rangi the about page should tell ya 00:45 rangi (either way its pretty old ) 00:45 rangi but if you tell us the problem you have with fines, we can tell you if its fixed in a newer version 00:46 vvilchez 3.02.00.004 00:46 rangi right 3.2.0 very old 00:47 wizzyrea a year old 00:47 rangi ? 00:47 rangi nope 00:47 rangi ah yeah sorry 00:47 wizzyrea :P 00:47 vvilchez give notice of delay alone does not reflect the fines 00:48 rangi i was thinking 16 versions ago (but there was some overlap of 3.2.x and 3.4.x) 00:48 rangi vvilchez: hmm i dont quite understand what you mean im afraid 00:48 wizzyrea me either 00:50 vvilchez My institution does not venture to make and there are 57,000 records updated 00:50 rangi hmm still not understanding :( 00:50 rangi vvilchez: do you speak spanish? 00:51 rangi http://groups.yahoo.com/group/koha-es/ 00:51 rangi it might be worth asking here 00:59 rangi i tried 01:00 wizzyrea sometimes, you just can't help 01:00 slef ARGH. 4th and 5th June are bank holidays. Anyone think it matters? 01:00 rangi yep, i couldnt parse that at all 01:00 rangi not to me 01:00 rangi but im the guy who organised kohacon10 on labour day 01:01 slef stupid bloody royal jubilee means some of our bank holidays are on irregular dates 01:01 rangi does the city shut down? or just the banks? 01:01 slef mainly banks, but mass transport runs strange schedules and things get more booked up 01:02 rangi right 01:02 slef mle_away: 4th and 5th June are bank holidays :-/ 01:02 rangi i think id cope 01:02 rangi but might want to check with others 01:02 rangi the booked up would perhaps be the issue 01:02 slef nothing's simple, is it? 01:02 rangi not usually no 01:06 slef and now, high packet loss to one of our data centres :-/ 01:16 rangi hi buster 01:36 rangi bye buster 01:39 slef I hate it when I'm 6h away from the data centre and there's no response from the on-site workers. 01:40 rangi ahh crap 01:41 slef time to start bringing up a backup from another data centre if I can, I guess :-/ 01:41 slef what else would I want to be doing at 2am the night before a conference? 01:42 rangi :( 02:07 rangi chur talljoy 02:07 talljoy chur 02:07 talljoy wassup! 02:07 wizzyrea how was the musical? 02:07 talljoy helluva an evening. 02:07 talljoy painfully patriotic play by prepubescents 02:08 talljoy sitting by a putz (my ex husband) 02:08 talljoy coming back to a message where i'm referred to as a two year old. 02:08 talljoy sigh. 02:09 wizzyrea O.o 02:09 talljoy yea. pretty sure i wasn't supposed to see that last remark. 02:09 wizzyrea toddlerizing is generally not uh, the best idea 02:09 talljoy no, since clearly i'm a least four. 02:09 talljoy am not, are so, am not, are so 02:11 wizzyrea hee 02:11 rangi i wish i was 2 02:12 eythian *were 02:12 wizzyrea 2 is pretty awesome 02:12 * eythian shows his "supporter of the dying subjunctive" badge 02:12 rangi heh 02:12 wizzyrea lol 02:12 rangi oh cool 02:12 rangi chris_n++ 02:12 wizzyrea bbiab 02:13 rangi http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=release-tools.git;a=summary 02:13 talljoy i wish i was 2 feet from the yahoo who called me two. 02:13 talljoy just saying. 02:13 eythian *were 02:14 * eythian shows his .... 02:14 * slef stabs eythian with his subjunctive 02:14 slef well, it is a dying one 02:14 eythian I didn't say "deathly" 02:16 eythian nor "murderous" for that matter. 02:16 rangi http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hRTh63rRDtA 02:17 eythian kohacon people can tell you about monkies. 02:25 libsysguy rangi: http://soundcloud.com/hueyp/flux-pavillion-mix 02:26 rangi oh dubsteppy 02:26 libsysguy oh the dubstep goodness 02:28 eythian http://youtu.be/BeGjTiUqw8U 02:29 rangi heh 02:29 libsysguy oh nyan cat you so silly 02:29 rangi that top comment is pretty epic 02:30 rangi I was 6 years old, playing at the bottom of the stairs in my house, when I saw my morbidly obese aunt slouch to the top of the stairs and step on my Thomas the Tank Engine. Her fat ass flew into the air, bounced off the bannister and instead of rolling down the stairs, actually crashed THROUGH the staircase and dropped into the cupboard below it, hospitalising her for 6 weeks. That was the most brutal drop I had ever experienced... Until I heard 0.55 02:30 libsysguy lmao 02:31 rangi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXO-jKksQkM 02:31 rangi have you seen this? 02:31 libsysguy anybody messed with Node.js? 02:31 rangi not me, but ppl here at work have, and chilts has 02:31 libsysguy I've heard the normal song...but not the dubstep remix 02:32 rangi the dance is pretty amazing 02:32 libsysguy any word? 02:32 libsysguy wow...is he floating 02:32 rangi we were dissing it this weekend at kiwicon 02:32 rangi single thread 02:32 libsysguy crap... 02:32 rangi i think its cool for some things 02:32 libsysguy ahh...well I was going to use it for this chat application to build into my drupal site 02:32 libsysguy for support 02:33 rangi it'd probably be fine for that 02:33 libsysguy yeah it works fine with ajax calls...it just is a little delayed 02:34 rangi this dancer is blowing my mind 02:34 Phlunk3 yeah that guy is amazing, saw it a few weeks ago :D 02:35 libsysguy i just had to submit it to reddit...that good 02:35 rangi holy crap 02:35 rangi 4.13 !! 02:35 eythian it's been there already 02:36 libsysguy im not even sure how he is pulling this off 02:36 libsysguy it looks like he has a puppet master 02:36 eythian > How many dubstep musicians does it take to clean a shower? 02:36 wizzyrea oh yea pumped up kicks is epiiiiic 02:36 eythian a: One hundred. One to clean it, and ninety-nine to talk about how dirty it is. 02:36 rangi heh 02:36 eythian b: 100 of them would just WUB WUB WUB the dirty parts away 02:37 wizzyrea HEHE 02:37 rangi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJCWQRrmw24 02:37 rangi oldy but a goody 02:38 libsysguy rangi did you watch his other video? 02:38 rangi not yet 02:38 libsysguy equally good 02:38 wizzyrea isn't this guy how we found foster the people? 02:38 wizzyrea well at least it's how I found foster the people... 02:38 rangi probably ;) 02:39 * wizzyrea sits on a ball at work... bounced all day yesterday and today to foster the people 02:40 rangi :) 02:40 rangi http://soundcloud.com/thefunkhunters/neil-young-old-man-remix 02:42 rangi banjo and dubstep 02:42 wizzyrea libsysguy have you looked into webim? 02:42 wizzyrea if you want chat support 02:42 libsysguy I haven't 02:42 wizzyrea it's epic 02:43 wizzyrea i mean... it's a pretty good solution, imo 02:43 rangi heh 02:43 wizzyrea >.> 02:43 libsysguy http://lib.uttyler.edu/ 02:43 wizzyrea epic might be overstating a bit. 02:43 libsysguy you can check out what I implemented 02:44 rangi and the last one ill post 02:44 rangi http://soundcloud.com/dj_copycat/michael-viners-incredible 02:44 rangi mostly because Michael Viner's Incredible Bongo Band 02:44 rangi is an epic name for a band 02:49 wizzyrea ok, really give this a chance until about 23s, which is when it gets good: http://vimeo.com/31158841 02:49 wizzyrea and 54s is even better 02:50 rangi only cos its you asking 02:50 wizzyrea :P 02:50 rangi oh that is pretty amazing 02:51 wizzyrea i can't believe birds can do that 02:51 * rangi is glad he gave it a chance 02:51 talljoy bats 02:51 wizzyrea and bats 02:52 wizzyrea found that at one of my favorite blogs: 02:52 wizzyrea thekidshouldseethis.com 02:52 Phlunk3 those are birds right? 02:52 wizzyrea *nod* starlings 02:52 rangi that is a good blog 02:52 wizzyrea very few videos there that kiddo hasn't fully enjoyed 02:55 jcamins_away Wow! 02:57 wizzyrea last one I promise: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LE-JN7_rxtE 02:57 rangi heh 02:57 rangi its 5 mins to beer oclock 02:57 wizzyrea :D 02:57 rangi im not gonna stop you posting them 02:58 Phlunk3 lol 02:59 wizzyrea in that case; http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hzrwG0dNhDE 02:59 rangi awesome! 03:00 * wizzyrea sees rangi doing that with the kids this weekend ^.^ 03:00 rangi hehe 03:00 rangi once they stop hitting each other with them 03:00 jcamins_away Wow! I don't see exactly how that works, though. 03:00 wizzyrea hehe 03:00 wizzyrea http://www.instructables.com/id/Cobra-Weave-Exploding-Stick-Bomb/ 03:01 rangi http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&NR=1&v=jiWxU3jXOFc 03:01 wizzyrea :S 03:01 wizzyrea :D 03:02 wizzyrea I like the "woohoo" at the end 03:02 rangi hehe yeah 03:03 jcamins_away Yeah, pretty impressive. 03:04 rangi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0QTar0MEwc&feature=related 03:05 wizzyrea :O 03:05 rangi zomg 03:05 jcamins_away Oops. 03:05 rangi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XtgAAc2DBU&feature=related 03:05 wizzyrea oh. dear. 03:07 jcamins_away Only 91? Apparently there's a video with 622. 03:07 wizzyrea 20000 bottle rockets 03:07 rangi hehe 03:08 jcamins_away They did it for science! 03:08 wizzyrea http://www.instructables.com/id/Cobra-Weave-Exploding-Stick-Bomb/ 03:08 wizzyrea no 03:08 wizzyrea sorry 03:08 wizzyrea http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Wir0qJdLYI&feature=related 03:08 * druthb waves excitedly at wizzyrea and jcamins 03:08 * wizzyrea waves at druthb 03:08 * jcamins_away waves back, equally excitedly. 03:08 druthb :) 03:08 rangi heh thats pretty awesome 03:09 wizzyrea lol the guy in the middle "OW!" 03:09 jcamins_away Uhhh... is there video? 03:09 jcamins_away It looks kind of... gray. 03:09 wizzyrea yea, about 1:35 03:10 jcamins_away Ah, so there is. 03:10 wizzyrea lol that looks TERRIBLY dangerous 03:10 wizzyrea it really goes about 2:15 03:10 jcamins_away OMG! That's incredible! 03:10 rangi hehe 03:10 * jcamins_away just reached 2:15. 03:11 jcamins_away And it's just getting more incredible. 03:11 rangi sweet! 03:11 jcamins_away 10.5 million firecrackers? 03:12 rangi im watching that one too now jcamins_away 03:12 * jcamins_away isn't so impressed by this one, actually. 03:12 rangi yeah its just noise 03:13 jcamins_away 300 wooden matches? 03:13 jcamins_away Kind of interesting, I suppose. 03:30 * wizzyrea clicks on "don't mix milk with red bull" 03:31 talljoy sounds like a guy I went out with ^ 03:31 wizzyrea hm that was underwhelming. 03:32 talljoy what does happen? 03:32 wizzyrea the milk goes curdly 03:32 talljoy oh dur. 03:32 talljoy riveting watching i'm sure 03:33 Amit_Gupta heya chris 03:33 Amit_Gupta Good morning #koha :D 03:33 talljoy evening! 03:33 wahanui i think evening is better for me - but not too late 03:33 talljoy lol 03:33 Amit_Gupta heya talljoy 03:33 talljoy hi! 03:40 wizzyrea oh I am so making one of these for spud 03:40 wizzyrea http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrVuag3YCtQ&feature=related 03:44 talljoy wonder how it tastes 03:44 jcamins_away talljoy: gross. 03:44 * wizzyrea envisions "science saturday" 03:44 talljoy pickled eggs - people eat em 03:44 wizzyrea wherein we perform all of the weird science tricks of the internet 03:44 talljoy you have to make flubber 03:45 jcamins_away talljoy: yes, but I still think they would probably taste gross. 03:45 wizzyrea I was going to make cloud dough 03:45 talljoy and that weird cornstarch solid/liquid concotion 03:45 talljoy ooblek 03:45 wizzyrea and we've already broached non-newtonian fluids 03:45 wizzyrea (oobleck) 03:45 talljoy love oobleck. 03:45 wizzyrea me too 03:46 talljoy i've made borax snowflakes b4. that was fun. although takes time. 03:46 talljoy but now is good time with holidays coming up 04:03 Oak kia ora #koha 04:03 Oak hello druthb :) 04:06 druthb hi, Oak! :) 04:31 Amit_Gupta heya Oak, druthb 04:36 Oak Hello AmitG :) 04:37 AmitG D 04:37 AmitG :D 05:07 eythian http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/5951609/Long-weekends-could-benefit-NZ <-- I agree 05:11 cait hi #koha 05:23 Oak hello miss cait 05:24 cait hello mr Oak 05:24 Oak :) 06:05 AmitG heya cait 06:05 cait hi AmitG 09:02 kf good morning #koha 09:15 magnuse kia ora kf and #koha 09:21 kf hi magnuse :) 09:22 kf ugh 09:23 kf did I do the conversion wrong or is the next irc meeting really at 3 am? 09:23 magnuse ? 09:23 AmitG hi kf, magnuse 09:23 magnuse namaste AmitG 09:23 kf hi AmitG 09:23 kf http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_Meeting,_16_November_2011 09:24 magnuse 3 am it is 09:24 magnuse count me out... 09:24 kf that is a real bad plan 09:24 kf yeha 09:24 kf I did the 4 am thing last time 09:24 kf it was hard 09:24 kf but 3! 09:24 magnuse well, since we move it by 8 hours it will be like that every third time 09:25 kf yeah, tell me why we started doing that? 09:25 * kf grumbles 09:25 magnuse so everyone would get the meeting in the middle of the night every now and then? 09:26 kf *sighs+ 09:29 magnuse lots of people tried to find a better scheme, but they came up empty handed, i think 09:34 kf only moving it by an hour 2 hours... would help 09:34 kf but not for everyone I guess 09:34 kf it's ok :) 09:34 kf only complaining every 3rd meeting 09:35 * mle_away looks in. 09:36 magnuse hehe 09:58 Oak magnuse 09:58 magnuse Oak 09:58 Oak got a light? 09:59 magnuse yup. need to borrow some light? 09:59 magnuse @wunder boo 09:59 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 8.0�C (10:50 AM CET on November 11, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Windchill: 6.0�C. Pressure: 30.51 in 1033 hPa (Steady). 09:59 magnuse ooh 09:59 Oak nah, i don't smoke. 09:59 Oak @wunder islamabad 09:59 huginn Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 27.0�C (2:00 PM PKT on November 11, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). 09:59 magnuse hehe 09:59 Oak :) 10:01 AmitG wunder @bangalore 10:01 AmitG @wunder bangalore 10:01 huginn AmitG: The current temperature in Bangalore, India is 27.0�C (2:30 PM IST on November 11, 2011). Conditions: . Humidity: 30%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. 10:01 AmitG @wunder Dehradun 10:01 huginn AmitG: The current temperature in Dehradun, India is 26.0�C (2:30 PM IST on November 11, 2011). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: 17.0�C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa. 10:01 Oak Partly Cloudy wins 10:01 AmitG heya Oak ;D 10:01 Oak hello AmitG :) 10:05 kf magnuse: :) 10:05 magnuse kf 10:05 kf the nav on http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_/svc/_HTTP_API is broken... and I still don't know how to work with the categories 10:05 kf would you? plzß 10:06 magnuse just edit the page and add it to a category (checkboxes below the textarea) and the nav should be ok 10:07 magnuse no idea why the nav is pushed down when there isn't a category... 10:07 magnuse you can do it! 10:08 magnuse or do you still want me to? 10:10 kf nah, got distracted 10:10 kf will try 10:11 magnuse and that api in /svc is pretty cool, btw 10:12 kf yep 10:12 kf ILL! 10:12 magnuse ah yes, that too 10:13 magnuse in sweden they need to push records into koha - related to buying materials. very relevant for that too 10:13 kf yeah 10:13 kf I knew we had it 10:13 kf because there once was a quite nice documentation on the biblios page for it 10:13 kf wonder if the interent still remembers that somewhere... hmmm! 10:14 * Oak goes to lunch 10:15 magnuse wayback machine, if nothing else? 10:15 kf testing that :) 10:16 kf hm no 10:17 magnuse guess you'd have to know the url? 10:34 dpavlin I would appriciate feedback on bug 7213 and http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_/svc/_HTTP_API since I'm newbie with this API 10:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7213 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, NEW , Document /svc/ HTTP API and provide example command-line client 10:36 magnuse dpavlin: i don't think a lot of people have a lot of experience with it ;-) 10:37 magnuse but it's great to have it documented! 10:37 magnuse and to have an example script that works with it 10:37 magnuse what's the goal for the script - to have it be part of koha, as a usable example? 10:38 dpavlin I will turn script into command-line utility before submission which will allow to get/create/update biblio record 10:38 dpavlin I think that would be useful part of Koha's tool chain. 10:38 magnuse very cool 10:38 magnuse dpavlin++ 10:39 dpavlin I'm toying with idea of creating in-line package Koha::SVC::Client so you can just require script and create programmatic import 10:39 dpavlin My own use-case is continuous import from EPrints to Koha (which should be really easy with /svc/ API ;-) 10:40 magnuse yeah, nice 10:40 magnuse i know swedish libraries are interested in having records pushed into koha when they buy new stuff 10:42 kf dpavlin++ 10:42 kf dpavlin: I think it was developed for biblios.net and there used to be some documentation - but seems it got lost :( 10:42 dpavlin We have another library in Croatia which is about to push meta-data about papers from CMS to Koha, so that was primary motivation for writing documentation. I needed to send them some URL to implement it :-) 10:42 kf very happy someone is workingo n it 10:42 kf I have been toying with the idea to use it create records for ill 10:42 kf that patrons request 10:42 * magnuse too 10:42 kf do you know if you can also create items with it? 10:43 magnuse i would think pushing records with data in 952 should work? 10:43 dpavlin kf: it doesn't call any of items koha API, just biblio. But it shouldn't be too hard to add. 10:43 magnuse (ouch, i meant i was happy someone was working on this, not that i was thinking about it for ill...) 10:45 dpavlin OOH, I would like to see also search implemented. Our use case is to get borrower number from existing records in Koha based on 856$u 10:46 dpavlin (or any other field). But with current Koha search rewrite, I'm allmost biasd towards implementation which use SQL and XPATH... 10:47 dpavlin (pending Solr search rewrite, and biased -- I still need one more coffee :-) 10:48 kf ideal for us would be 10:48 kf supporting control number (001 from record) additional to bibnumber 10:48 kf but this is not really well supported in koha right now... special use case here 10:50 dpavlin kf: something like /svc/search/856$u=http://example.com or /svc/search/001=123456 10:52 AmitG heya dpavlin 10:52 dpavlin which might return plain/text with one biblio number in each row (for easy scripting) or full MARCXML dump with optional ?limit=3 param? 10:52 kf dpavlin: yeah, that looks good .) 10:53 kf what we would like to do is use it for updates 10:53 kf the 001 should be unique, but there is a chance that people manage to reuse the number... I really need to write a plugin for that in koha one day 10:53 kf dpavlin: I found that: http://web.archive.org/web/20100826011033/http://biblios.org/docs/biblios-send-api 10:54 kf perhaps helpful for your documentation? 10:54 dpavlin will I be tainted if I look at this page? ;-) 10:54 kf tainted? 10:55 kf I don't think so... it's a piece of very old documentation about the api 10:55 kf found it in internet archive 10:55 dpavlin It's nicer that my docs, but than again, I'm not native speaker. 10:56 kf I think we need new documentation, was only wondering if that could be helpful for you 10:56 kf *sighs* 10:56 kf I have an item stuck in transit... someone an idea? 10:56 dpavlin It seems consistant with current implementation. 10:58 dpavlin Can I bulk copy/paste relevant parts from 11:52 < kf> tainted? 10:58 dpavlin ups. from http://web.archive.org/web/20100826011033/http://biblios.org/docs/biblios-send-api to our wiki? 10:59 kf hm not sure really :( 10:59 magnuse i'd paraphrase if i were you, just to be safe... :-( 10:59 kf yeah :( 11:39 Oak item stuck in transit kf? 11:41 kf yeah 11:41 kf but fixed it :) 11:41 Oak good ;) 11:41 Oak uh oh. not winking. shift key stuck. 11:44 * Oak never winks at his teachers 11:44 kf uuh 11:44 kf don't say that, now I feel old 11:44 kf and I am not teaching anyone 11:44 Oak you taught me 11:45 Oak now you'll always be my teacher. 11:45 Oak deal with it. 11:45 Oak :) 11:45 magnuse hehe 11:48 Oak teacher, may i go to the washroom please? 11:48 Oak that's you kf. answer. 11:49 magnuse i think she is boycotting you now, Oak... 11:49 Oak :) 11:49 Oak ah 11:49 Oak well, will annoy her when she gets back from work 11:50 magnuse moahaha 11:50 Oak :-D 11:50 * kf hides 11:55 Oak me go to bazaar now. 12:09 * kf comes back ou 12:09 kf t 12:44 Oak hello nengard, jwagner :) 12:44 jwagner Hi Oak 12:50 druthb Good morning, #koha! 12:50 nengard morning 12:58 oleonard 'sup. 12:59 druthb Hello, oleonard. :) 13:04 kf hi oleonard 13:04 kf Oak: back from the bazaar? 13:04 Oak yup 13:05 Oak i mean, yes, teacher. 13:05 * kf growls 13:05 Oak hehe 13:05 druthb kf == teacher? I musta missed something overnight. 13:06 kf I showed Oak how to sign-off on bugs 13:06 kf and now he got confused 13:06 * kf promises Oak a cookie for not calling her teacher 13:07 druthb kf: teachersnack apple. 13:07 Oak teacher, can i have 2 cookies? 13:07 * druthb puts on a cute little schoolgirl uniform, and gets ready for class. 13:09 kf rofl 13:09 kf sure, you would side with him 13:10 * druthb tries to look innocent. 13:10 druthb naah, I just like the outfit. 13:10 kf ok 13:10 kf homework for today 13:10 kf Oak: sign off on a bug this weekend 13:10 kf druthb: sign off on a bug this weekend 13:10 Oak yes mam 13:10 kf more cookies for more bugs 13:11 druthb yes ma'am. :) 13:11 Oak oh wait, my exams starting on Monday 13:11 druthb Can I bring a new library live on Koha as an extra-credit project? 13:11 oleonard Comment spam: http://koha-community.org/koha-3-6-0-released/comment-page-1/#comment-4086 13:11 Oak Monday to Wednesday. 13:11 kf ok, sign-off until next weekend then 13:12 Oak yes mam 13:12 Oak can i go to washroom now, teacher? 13:13 * druthb watches for steam to start coming out of kf's ears. 13:13 Oak don't tease my teacher druthb 13:14 druthb hehehe 13:15 Oak nah, i'm just kidding. go ahead. let's figure out ways to annoy the teacher. soon magnuse will join i hope. 13:15 druthb rofl 13:16 Oak :] 13:19 Oak the cookies i'll receive from the teacher will give them to others to call cait teacher. evil. i know. soon there will be a "teacher movement" and all will be looking at cait for enlightenment and wisdom. 13:20 druthb Oak++ #good plan! 13:31 * jcamins_away always looks to kf for enlightenment and wisdom. 13:31 * druthb does too...and inspiration, too. 13:33 Oak kf++ 13:35 Oak she has lot of patience. and very kind. and not tells what to do, but also the reason why we are doing it. and what are the alternatives... 13:35 Oak ...and not only tells what to do* 13:38 druthb :) 13:43 Oak me go now. 13:45 oleonard He didn't even ask to be excused. 13:54 kf omg 13:54 kf I had a webinar training... and now I come back to #koha conspirating against me 13:55 kf hi oleonard :) 13:56 kf and hi jcamins_away too - not so away it seems :) 14:05 jwagner kf, life is not fair :-) 14:08 kf jwagner: but fun :) 14:09 jwagner At times, yes :-) 14:10 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7124] Back to search wrapping in lower resolutions <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7124> 14:26 jwagner Grump. Speaking of life not being fair, I'm working on a holiday specifically to accomodate one client who swore he couldn't reschedule a training session for any other day. Now he's cancelled it. 14:41 * chris_n proceeds to rip oracle's java off of his ubuntu install and replace it with openJDK 14:42 nengard what does this mean when I try to use git bz to apply a patch "previous rebase directory /home/nengard/kohaclone/.git/rebase-apply still exists but mbox given. 14:42 nengard Patch left in /tmp/patch-WVAVQH.patch" 14:43 chris_n try 'git rebase --abort' 14:43 chris_n then do the git-bz thing again 14:43 nengard that didn't work but git am --abort did :) 14:43 nengard thanks 14:44 chris_n np :) 14:48 kf nengard: or try a git am -is3 /home.... 14:48 kf nengard: left a comment for you on the bug - the git bz apply does not do the -3 14:48 kf so sometimes a patch will apply when you do -is3 instead, but not when using git bz 14:52 nengard which bug? testing a bunch this morning 15:01 kf hmm 15:01 kf I wrote the same as here :) 15:01 kf not sure which bug 15:02 kf only thought it would help you to know - might get some things to apply 15:02 kf nengard: you could try on 4530 - but might still fail 15:05 nengard kf read my comment on 4530 - is that applied? 15:10 kf checking :) 15:11 kf yep 15:11 kf looks ok to me 15:11 kf you can check with git log - see if the patch appears on top 15:11 kf and git status should show now conflicts 15:11 kf or changed files 15:16 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 4530] Circulation & fines rules aren't always applied from most specific to less specific <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4530> 15:22 Bren Hello 15:22 wahanui que tal, Bren 15:23 Bren How's everyone doing? 15:29 kf hi Bren 15:32 Bren Hi 15:33 jcamins Good morning, #koha. 15:35 jwagner good morning jcamins 15:37 oleonard nengard: Didn't you mean to set 6977 as "does not apply?" 15:37 nengard no - signed off ;) 15:37 nengard paul's patch was pushed already 15:38 nengard it doesn't apply cause it was pushed 15:38 nengard i signed off on the follow up 15:38 nengard read the comment thread 15:38 nengard that's how i found out 15:38 * oleonard assumed from the last comment 15:40 nengard yeah - i see what i did 15:40 nengard i had that in there when it didn't apply and then i re-read and apparently when i refreshed it left my message text in there 15:40 nengard sorry about that 15:44 kf I killed my koha vm *cries* 15:44 jcamins :( 15:45 jcamins kf: what happened to it? 15:45 kf it died during a snapshot 15:45 kf and now it will not start and presents me an error message 15:45 jcamins Uh-oh. 15:45 jcamins What's the error message? 15:45 wahanui the error message is correct because that's not how you're supposed to run it 15:45 kf sent you a pm, it's long 15:48 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6475] Edit it's not possible subfield "0" in MARC framework <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6475> 16:02 nengard oleonard based on your last comment ? does bug 5150 need sign off still? 16:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5150 trivial, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Issuing should read Circulation 16:02 oleonard Yes 16:02 oleonard ...because I found a different correction to make. 16:03 nengard okey dokey 16:03 nengard testing 16:05 nengard signed off 16:05 wahanui signed off is approval 16:05 nengard we're not emailing signed off patches anymore ? right? 16:06 oleonard That's the way I understand it 16:06 nengard okey dokey 16:06 nengard that's what i was doing today 16:08 bg oh whoops I usually email the signed off ones too 16:08 bg it doesn't hurt I guess 16:08 * bg loves the git-bz when it works 16:08 oleonard bg: It was a fairly recent change in procedure 16:09 kf only attaching them to the bug now 16:23 jcamins Does anyone know of any server-side programs (no idea what they'd be called) that would easily enable one to fetch images out of them using AJAX? 16:24 oleonard AJAX uses http, so that would be... a web server? 16:24 jcamins oleonard: thanks. :) 16:25 * jcamins is not a front-end developer. 16:25 jcamins Things like this are *not obvious* to me. 16:26 jcamins So I guess the "challenging" part there is something to conveniently upload images, which doesn't seem like it should be too difficult. 16:27 oleonard See the comments on Bug 6874 to dissuade you of that notion 16:27 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6874 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, julian.maurice, ASSIGNED , File upload in MARC 16:29 * chris_n takes the deb packages out for a test drive 16:30 jcamins Hm. 16:30 * jcamins can't believe that there is no program out there that has solved this problem. 16:30 talljoy jcamins should know it is always the seemingly easy things that are inordinately difficult. 16:32 chris_n the law of difficulty simply stated is the appearance of difficulty and the reality of difficulty are inversely proportional 16:32 talljoy amen 16:33 jcamins True. 16:33 jcamins Bah, humbug. 16:33 jcamins So you're telling me no one has ever written a PHP or Perl script that securely handles uploading and retrieving images? 16:33 chris_n you mean sftp or ssh or some such? 16:34 jcamins chris_n: the problem is that I need something I can use from Windows computers that are not mine, where I can't install Putty. 16:36 chris_n a quick google returns Net::SFTP as a possible candidate 16:37 chris_n maybe Net::SSH::Perl? 16:37 chris_n but perl stuff will require win32 perl to run on winders 16:37 jcamins Right. Hence why I'm thinking I need some sort of web-based uploader. 16:38 oleonard jcamins: The problem is that getting the right permissions on files and folders is difficult 16:38 * jcamins grumbles about nothing being as easy as it ought. 16:39 oleonard Maybe not if you know what you're doing and have control over the server, but that's not true of everyone installing software like Drupal, for instance. 16:39 oleonard People end up changing permissions to 777 just so their uploads will work 16:40 * jcamins knows that's a bad idea. 16:41 jcamins Maybe better to just upload into a database, and have a script that retrieves the image based on a param? 16:42 kf weekend time - bye all :) 16:46 Bren Is there any indepth documentation for the koha-common package for deviants? 16:46 Bren Debian* 16:46 * wizzyrea laughed a bit at "deviants" 16:46 Bren Damn auto correct...... 16:46 wizzyrea :D 16:46 chris_n jcamins: just do web based over ssl 16:47 wizzyrea http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Commands_provided_by_the_Debian_packages 16:47 Bren Yea I looked at that 16:49 Bren I need more info on what it does to eat up apache 16:49 Bren Set * 16:50 * wizzyrea thinks that your autocorrects are THE BEST 16:50 Bren Rofl 16:50 jcamins Omnomnomnom. 16:51 wizzyrea you can ask your question here... really, sadly, the documentation lives in us :P 16:51 jcamins Bren: I suspect the part you're having problems with is the lack of a koha-sites.conf (or something like that). 16:51 wizzyrea worst place for it, but it is what it is. 16:51 jcamins Bren: or, like me, you can't type your own domain name. ;) 16:52 * jcamins did that last night. Thought the packages had suddenly, inexplicably broken, and spent a while trying to troubleshoot it, before realizing that I had forgotten a period. ;) 16:53 jcamins Bren: man koha-create should clarify, if the problem is the koha-sites.conf. 16:54 * jcamins waits to hear what the problem actually is, having exhausted his store of unsolicited advice. 16:54 Bren I'm using localhost for now, but the problem I'm getting is that when I try to connect to 8080 to run the web installer I'm redirected to the maintenance.pl page 16:55 jcamins Bren: swapped ports on intranet/opac? Take a look at /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/whatever 16:56 nengard does anyone know where the sample label data is? when you do an install it asks if you want to install the sample label data, but i don't see it in the EN folder in the installer 16:56 nengard chris_n? 16:56 wahanui hmmm... chris_n is release maintainer for 3.4, and merges things into 3.4.x branch 16:57 jcamins wahanui: no, chris_n is release maintainer for 3.2, 3.4, and 3.6. 16:57 wahanui ...but chris_n is release maintainer for 3.4, and merges things into 3.4.x branch... 16:57 jcamins wahanui: forget chris_n 16:57 wahanui jcamins: I forgot chris_n 16:58 jcamins chris_n is release maintainer for 3.2, 3.4, and 3.6. 16:58 nengard there are files in other language folders ? just not EN 16:59 Bren I have opac set to port 80 17:00 Bren Internet set to 8080 17:00 jcamins Bren: hm. That is very peculiar. I've never experienced that problem. 17:00 jcamins And you're certain this isn't Chrome automatically removing the :8080? 17:01 Bren Any page I visit on localhost sends me to maintenance 17:01 Bren Running firefox. If you Talking about the browser. 17:02 jcamins Bren: okay, I had a problem with Chrome "fixing" my URLs and removing the port. 17:02 jcamins Bren: I'm not sure. I've never actually tried to access a package install on localhost. 17:02 jcamins For that matter, I'm not sure that I've ever run a Koha install on localhost, period. 17:02 nengard @later tell chris_n bg and I were doing some research and couldn't find the sample labels for english installs - was there ever a file? there is one in the polish folder and the french folder but not the english one 17:02 huginn nengard: The operation succeeded. 17:06 Bren Is there a way to set maintenance mode on or off from a config file? 17:07 wizzyrea not that I'm aware of 17:07 Bren Bren googling for the last two days. 17:08 nengard @later tell chris_n neverdmind - sample_creator_data was the file :) 17:08 huginn nengard: The operation succeeded. 17:08 jcamins Bren: ooh, I bet I know what it is. 17:08 jcamins Add Listen localhost:8080 to your ports.conf. 17:08 * wizzyrea knew jcamins would come up with something 17:10 jcamins (or *:8080 if you're using *) 17:12 Bren Now it just returns unable to connect 17:13 jcamins Odd. Are you sure your VirtualHosts are configured to listen on the proper interface? 17:14 Bren NameVirtualHost *:80 and 8080 in ports.conf 17:15 jcamins *:8080? 17:15 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7121] remove comma on items info <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7121> 17:15 jcamins Bren: I meant the actual VirtualHost definitions in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/whatever 17:15 Bren I just added it now to see what would happen 17:18 Bren <VirtualHost *:80> for opac 17:19 Bren And 8080 on Intranet 17:19 bg Bren - you wouldn't happen to be named Brendan would you? 17:19 jcamins <VirtualHost *:8080>? 17:21 Bren I just changed it to 8080 from 80 17:21 Bren Ten minutes ago. 17:22 jcamins Bren: and what's the ServerName for those two VirtualHosts? 17:22 Bren LibraryLOCALHOST 17:23 jcamins Bren: yeah, that's completely wrong. It just be localhost for the OPAC and localhost:8080 for the intranet. 17:23 jcamins It *should* just be... 17:23 jcamins There's the problem. 17:23 * jcamins never uses different ports with the packages, so he didn't think of checking that first. 17:23 jcamins The packages are generally used with subdomains. 17:24 jcamins We should perhaps file a bug about the fact that they don't handle separate ports quite right. 17:24 jcamins (by "we", I actually mean "you", as the person who experienced it;) 17:26 Bren My noobish attempt at setting this up may not be bug worthy. 17:26 jcamins The reason you were having the problem is that the ServerName on the intranet didn't match what you were requesting, and it was just defaulting to the first configured VHost it found. 17:27 jcamins Bren: other people could well run into the same problem. 17:29 wizzyrea ^^ 17:29 wizzyrea you should file a bug 17:29 wizzyrea bugs? 17:29 wahanui bugs are at http://bugs.koha-community.org/ 17:29 wizzyrea :) 17:30 wizzyrea i'm actually kind of surprised we haven't seen that before. 17:30 jcamins Me too, now that I know it's an issue. 17:30 * jcamins goes to eat some lunch. 17:31 Bren I'll try to pull together the info on it. I'm happy to file a bug if I could just figure out what I did to cause it. 17:31 wizzyrea you probably didn't do anything 17:31 wizzyrea it probably did it for you 17:31 wizzyrea hence why it's a bug :) 17:31 Bren Thank you for your help jcamins 17:31 Bren I really appreciate it. 17:32 wizzyrea jcamins++ for being a super-helper 17:36 bg man I love it when a simple little fix (adding four letters to a file) - fixes something that has been annoying me for two years now 17:36 bg HEH 17:36 bg so simple but just floats ones boat ;) 17:37 nengard @later tell chris_n when creating a layout what is 'alternating' as a type 17:37 huginn nengard: The operation succeeded. 17:37 bg alternating is 17:37 bg when you have 1st label be barcode 2nd label be biblio 17:37 bg or visa verse 17:39 * jcamins returns. 17:40 chris_n nengard: what bg said :) 17:41 bg heya chris_n 17:41 wahanui chris_n is release maintainer for 3.2, 3.4, and 3.6. 17:41 nengard chris_n and bg - but those labels have to be on the same type of label (spine or address type size) right? cause we can't handle two different label sizes on one sheet yet 17:41 bg yes you can have two different labels on a sheet 17:41 chris_n right 17:42 chris_n heya bg 17:42 chris_n didn't recognize your abbreviated nick there for a moment :) 17:42 bg it takes a little bit of time to get it working right - and I usually pull my hair out 17:42 bg but it does work 17:43 bg no worries chris_n - I do miss having brendan - but with the change to oftc - I went simple ;) 17:44 chris_n oleonard: I had to do some circ rules editing the other day and thought that would be one area which would benefit from the use of datatables and in-line editing 17:44 nengard bg, i'd like you to do a tutorial video on that!! 17:44 oleonard chris_n: Biblibre was working on a patch for that so I haven't touched it. Don't know if we'll ever see the result 17:45 cait hi again #koha 17:45 chris_n I've done a bunch of work with both in an in-house app; its heavy on js, but very smooth 17:45 chris_n heya cait 17:46 cait hi chris_n :) 17:46 jcamins chris_n: is datatables a jQuery thing that allows inline editing? 17:46 chris_n jcamins: datatables + jeditable 17:46 chris_n the datatables website has some very slick demos 17:46 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 2847] Use HTML escape in templates where appropriate <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2847> 17:47 * jcamins is looking at one of the demos. 17:47 jcamins Wowie! 17:47 jcamins (it requires more than just a simple "Wow!") 17:47 chris_n hehe 17:48 chris_n the staff interface could probably benefit speed wise from a little ajax, if nothing else 17:48 chris_n perception is 90% of the battle, after all :) 17:49 jcamins chris_n: how compatible is it with multiple browsers? 17:49 chris_n I've not done much testing 17:49 chris_n I work mostly in FF and have the luxury of requiring it for use with in-house apps here ;-) 17:50 jcamins Lucky you. :) 17:50 chris_n ie-- # just because 17:50 jcamins ie-- 17:51 chris_n back to configuring up my aws instance of koha 17:51 cait ie-- 17:51 * jcamins thinks that it might be nice to have an interface like that for the cataloging module. 17:51 chris_n yes, very nice 17:52 chris_n lots of very nice possibilities with that tool 17:52 chris_n you can write plugins for it as wel 17:52 chris_n l 17:52 chris_n and use callbacks to munge things up if you like as well 17:52 chris_n quite flexible 17:52 chris_n and then skin it as you like 17:54 jcamins oleonard: how hard do you think it would be to do a cataloging interface with datatables + jeditable? 17:54 oleonard Offhand? Hard. 17:55 oleonard addbiblio.pl is a tangled mess, and every time we touch it we break something. 17:55 jcamins oleonard: I meant a new cataloging interface. 17:55 jcamins oleonard: I know better than to touch addbiblio.pl. 17:55 oleonard Oh, so how hard would it be to build a new cataloging interface? 17:55 oleonard Hmm.... Oh, hard. 17:55 wizzyrea oleonard re: 7121, there is supposed to be subtitle info on moredetail? 17:56 oleonard wizzyrea: There should be after my patch 17:56 wizzyrea right 17:56 wizzyrea ok sec 17:57 wizzyrea http://screencast.com/t/fFTsXeJFws 17:57 * wizzyrea might be missing something 17:57 wizzyrea did you only put in the h? 17:57 wizzyrea or b and p too? 17:58 oleonard Anything that is mapped using Keywords to MARC mapping for "subtitle" 17:58 wizzyrea AH 17:58 * wizzyrea checks that 17:58 wizzyrea ty 17:59 wizzyrea yes thank you that was it 18:00 wizzyrea do those get installed by default now? 18:00 wizzyrea or do you have to add them by hand 18:00 wizzyrea every time 18:00 wizzyrea seems a fidldy thing 18:00 wizzyrea fiddly* 18:00 oleonard I think you have to do it by hand 18:00 rangi @wunder wellington nz 18:00 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 11.0�C (6:00 AM NZDT on November 12, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady). 18:00 wizzyrea oyyy 18:00 wizzyrea okies 18:00 wizzyrea ty for clearing that up :) 18:00 bg @wunder 93109 18:00 huginn bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 18.0�C (9:58 AM PST on November 11, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1011.7 hPa (Steady). 18:00 wizzyrea aaand I notice that it's already been signed off, lol 18:00 * oleonard wonders if biblios.net is still in business 18:00 wizzyrea i will add a note to the bug though about the mappings 18:00 jcamins oleonard: nope, it depends on Google Gears. 18:01 oleonard Ah right, I forgot about that 18:01 bg [off] but the database is still out there - for a z39.50 target 18:01 oleonard It was a promising project for a while there. 18:03 oleonard Perhaps they should take the web site down. 18:05 * chris_n has never known them to be open to suggestions 18:07 cait morning rangi 18:08 oleonard Whoops, too many ^W's. 18:08 chris_n lol 18:08 chris_n @wunder 28334 18:09 huginn chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 11.0�C (12:55 PM EST on November 11, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 33%. Dew Point: -5.0�C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Rising). 18:09 chris_n feels like NZ outside 18:13 rangi morning 18:13 jcamins cait: how did you know rangi had just gotten here? It doesn't look like he said anything earlier. 18:14 rangi I did a wunder 18:14 rangi just before bg 18:15 cait first time I see him tonight 18:15 * chris_n gets his ec2 koha up 18:15 cait so I thought I say good morning 18:15 jcamins Ah. 18:44 rangi @later tell paul_p new guy from lyon starts at catalyst on tuesday 18:44 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded. 18:45 chris_n does the 'koha' package not setup zebra? 18:46 rangi I think they might both 18:46 rangi I only ever use koha-common tho 18:46 chris_n hmm... seems not to have on my instance 18:46 chris_n I'm missing the infamous zebradb lock files 18:49 oleonard Speaking of Catalyst, rangi did you work with Brenda Wallace? 18:49 rangi yes 18:49 * oleonard has been working with a Drupal module she wrote 18:49 rangi she sat next to me 18:49 rangi she wrote a lot 18:51 * oleonard hopes she's still responding to bug reports ;) 18:51 rangi hmm maybe 18:51 rangi she is all python now 18:51 cait chris_n: I think eythian always says not to use the koha packages 18:51 cait but not sure why 18:52 rangi working for the man 18:52 cait only koha-commons 18:52 rangi at weta 18:52 * chris_n is figuring out the hard way :-P 18:52 rangi ok time to go do something 18:52 rangi good weekends all 18:52 cait have a nice weekend 19:16 bg @wunder 93109 19:16 huginn bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 17.2�C (11:14 AM PST on November 11, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010.0 hPa (Falling). 19:25 * oleonard wonders why "the man" is or is at weta 19:52 oleonard What would be a good way to check whether a change to a script has increased its execution time? 19:57 JesseM @wunder 06614 19:57 huginn JesseM: The current temperature in Brewer Stratford Marina, Stratford, Connecticut is 8.6�C (2:55 PM EST on November 11, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 36%. Dew Point: -6.0�C. Windchill: 5.0�C. Pressure: 29.67 in 1004.6 hPa (Rising). 19:57 nengard @wunder 19030 19:57 huginn nengard: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Levittown PA US, Levittown, Pennsylvania is 7.8�C (2:25 PM EST on November 11, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: -2.0�C. Windchill: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.72 in 1006.3 hPa. 20:27 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7198] overdue report does not display patron name if firstname and/or surname are null <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7198> 20:29 * oleonard wonders what new project has gmcharlt back in business 22:33 eythian chris_n: the 'koha' package is incomplete, it will eventually (hopefully) give you a koha set up from the get-go, but not yet, and I haven't had time to really dig into it. 22:33 eythian at the moment it gives you one that doesn't really have things like zebra hooked up.