Time Nick Message 00:02 * rangi tries a more intensive one 00:06 rangi a badly constructed query http://opac.koha.workbuffer.org/cgi-bin/koha/svc/report?id=7 takes 29.17s 00:06 rangi 382ms 00:06 rangi from cache 00:06 rangi that'll do :) 00:53 * druthb is home at last. 00:56 rangi yay! 00:56 rangi long long trip back eh? 00:56 druthb about thirty hours-ish. 00:57 rangi thats not a huge amount of fun 00:57 druthb nope nope nope. 00:57 druthb one great big hop in a ginormous 777, then two hops in puddle-jumpers. 00:58 druthb (then an hour drive.) 00:58 rangi 777 is quite a nice plane, i like them a lot more than the 747 00:59 druthb nice ride, definitely. 00:59 rangi i still want to fly in one of those insanely big aribuses 01:00 rangi the 320s are ok 01:00 rangi but i want to try a 380 01:00 rangi airnz is buying (has bought) some 01:02 * wizzyrea wants to try the 380's too 01:02 trea chur bro 01:03 druthb hi, wizzyrea n trea! 01:03 druthb tell teh spud I said hello, too 01:03 trea hi druthb. glad you're home 01:03 wizzyrea :) he's watching strawberry shortcake lol 01:04 rangi heh 01:04 * druthb is going to bed, right away quick. 01:05 rangi fair enough 01:05 wizzyrea yes, do that 01:05 druthb g'night, friends. 01:05 druthb be well. 01:06 trea night. bah. 01:06 needhelp hello 01:06 wahanui niihau, needhelp 01:06 needhelp hello everyboddy 01:06 needhelp as my nick says, i need help =) there is someone to give it to me? 01:07 eythian wahanui: help 01:07 needcake we wont know until we hear your question 01:07 eythian wahanui: need help 01:07 wahanui eythian: huh? 01:07 needhelp i am trying to migrate data from INmagic to Koha 01:07 eythian wahanui: \i need help is <reply>Just ask. 01:07 wahanui OK, eythian. 01:07 eythian wahanui: \I need help is <reply>Just ask. 01:07 wahanui i already had it that way, eythian. 01:07 needhelp does koha provide a way to help migration? 01:08 rangi yep, it can import bibliographic data from MARC files, and borrowers from .csv 01:09 rangi what it cant do, is get your data out of whatever system into those formats 01:10 needhelp and what about clients information? 01:10 needhelp can it be imported to koha in an easy way_? 01:10 eythian that's borrowers 01:10 needhelp ohh, sorry, english is not always my best field... 01:11 needhelp so you say i can export everything from Inmagic and get it imported in koha? 01:13 jwagner With some work, yes. You'll need to make sure your Koha system has matching policies for your branchcodes, item types, patron categories, etc., and format your item and patron data in the way Koha expects. 01:15 jwagner See this section of the online manual: http://manual.koha-community.org/3.6/en/implementation.html#imp-migration 01:15 needhelp and what about the history? the transactions made, the reservations, etc? 01:15 eythian it's all possible, but not quite so easy 01:16 eythian I use scripts that poke those things directly into the database 01:16 jwagner Also see this for formatting item data, which Koha expects in a 952 field: http://manual.koha-community.org/3.6/en/catguides.html#itemcatguide 01:16 needhelp ok 01:17 needhelp so you say i have to undertand the database structure of koha and insert the data right into it? 01:17 eythian for some things, yeah. Things that it's less common to want to import (e.g. circ history) 01:17 jwagner yes, for anything outside bibs/items and patrons 01:18 eythian conveniently, they're pretty much the easier things, too,. 01:18 rangi schema? 01:18 wahanui rumour has it schema is tracked in git. or found at http://schema.koha-community.org 01:18 wizzyrea ^^ so helpful 01:18 wizzyrea eythian++ for a tool I use every day 01:20 wizzyrea http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/boingboing/iBag/~3/ilWa7vEQxqs/library-builds-a-hackerspace.html 01:21 wizzyrea libraries with hackerspaces! 01:21 rangi needhelp: what version of koha are you installing 3.6.0 ? 01:21 needhelp i have been watching the koha schema, there is a "koha" database and a "library" one.... what's the difference? 01:22 rangi ? 01:22 rangi http://schema.koha-community.org/ are you looking here? 01:22 rangi there is only a koha one 01:23 needhelp i am using the 3.4.3 verison 01:23 rangi right, there should only be a koha database 01:23 rangi i dont know where the library one came from 01:23 wizzyrea packages? 01:23 wahanui package info is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.4_on_Debian_Squeeze 01:23 rangi but koha only uses one database (could be called anything, usually called koha) 01:24 rangi the packages dont make an extra db, at leats not as far as i know 01:24 needhelp ok... i am just watching in the phpmyadmin 01:24 rangi that might be some other database someone/something else made 01:25 needhelp ohhh, the thing is a i havent installed koha, it is a live cd gsdl-koha 01:25 needhelp that the reason of the library database for sure. 01:25 wizzyrea well, my one started from the packages has a koha and a koha-lecompton 01:26 wizzyrea and I am pretty sure I didn't create the koha db 01:26 wizzyrea myself 01:26 needhelp okis.... so koha is the one.. 01:26 needhelp great 01:26 rangi that library one will be greenstone needhelp 01:26 rangi wizzyrea: i only have the one 01:26 needhelp yes 01:26 wizzyrea well weird... wonder what black magic I did then ^.^ 01:27 rangi well i actually have 8 01:27 rangi but they are all koha-something 01:27 needhelp let me tell those i have... 01:28 eythian wizzyrea: the packages only create one db per instance 01:28 wizzyrea does it create a default instance? 01:29 needhelp i have: dbwiz-resources , koha and library 01:29 eythian no, though the koha package _might_, it's been a while since I've looked at it. 01:29 eythian (as opposed to koha-common) 01:29 needhelp that's how it comes from the live cd.. 01:30 wizzyrea eythian: I bet I did apt-get install koha 01:30 rangi yeah, so koha is the only one to do with koha 01:30 wizzyrea instead of koha-common 01:30 wizzyrea (this was several weeks ago) 01:30 wizzyrea that has to be it. 01:30 needhelp ok, KOHA has 130 talbes??? 01:30 needhelp man, i will lose my summer on it... 01:31 needhelp *tables 01:33 needhelp i will keep looking at koha features..... if i need help again (for sure i will!!!) i will come here... 01:33 needhelp you have been all so kind!! 01:33 needhelp thank you 01:42 rangi wonder how this went 01:43 rangi http://www.kohala.nl/workshop.html 02:16 rangi damn 02:16 rangi i still cant remember who i was gonna write up 02:16 wizzyrea the spanish manual translators? 02:17 rangi oh yeah 02:17 rangi good idea! 02:20 rangi ill do 02:20 rangi http://es.koha-community.org/ 02:21 trea i need to delete some branches from an install - i've already confirmed they have no issues or holds. can i get a sanity check on these statements? http://pastebin.com/bpfKPMER 02:23 rangi looking now 02:24 rangi that should be ok, the only other plce itemnumber is sometime used 02:24 rangi is 02:24 rangi accountlines 02:24 rangi what i would do first 02:24 rangi is do 02:24 rangi select * from borrowers where branchcode='xxx' into outfile '/tmp/deletedborrowers'; 02:25 rangi then put that file somewhere safe 02:25 rangi do the same with the items 02:25 rangi then, you at least have all the data if they go 02:25 rangi oh crap, we didnt mean it ;) 02:25 * rangi is paranoid 02:25 trea you and me both rangi 02:25 * wizzyrea has had people do that 02:25 * rangi too 02:25 trea but they tell me paranoia is a virtue. along with laziness. 02:26 rangi and being able to make great pizza 02:26 wizzyrea and hummus 02:26 rangi and throwing out random stupidity 02:26 wizzyrea but you know the secret to great hummus? 02:26 rangi garlic? 02:26 wizzyrea skin the chickpeas! 02:27 wizzyrea all the garlic in the world won't get rid of the grainy texture of the chickpea hulls 02:27 trea ^^ 02:27 * wizzyrea shares random food knowledge. Wanders off. 02:28 rangi hehe 02:35 talljoy how do you skin chickpeas? 02:35 * talljoy thinks.... 02:36 rangi you need small children 02:36 rangi with their tiny hands 02:36 rangi and a whip 02:36 rangi or you probably soak them and the skins come off 02:36 rangi take your pick ;) 02:37 trea eh 02:37 trea heh* 02:38 trea do i need to be the root db user to dump that info? i'm getting acccess denied as the koha user 02:39 rangi ah yeah, to write to the file system, yup 02:39 trea k, that's what i figured 02:43 talljoy my small children have morphed into giants overnight. 02:44 * talljoy thinks it must be the Texas water 02:44 rangi no peeled chickpeas for you then 02:44 talljoy :-( 02:50 rangi http://cooking.stackexchange.com/questions/6106/how-do-you-peel-chickpeas 02:50 rangi stackexchange is great 02:51 talljoy good tips. next time i'm in the mood for hummus....i'll just buy some 02:51 rangi hehe 02:51 trea where's the fun in that? :P 02:51 talljoy actually, this probably explains why my homemade hummus was never satisfying 02:51 talljoy i may try this. chickpeas are cheap as dirt 02:52 rangi speaking of hummus 02:52 rangi i meant to tell nate i ate at abrakebabra twice last week 02:53 trea lucky! 02:53 trea i love that place 02:53 trea i would eat there everyday if i could 02:53 rangi hehe, nate did 02:53 talljoy never heard of it 02:53 trea kebab shop in welly 02:53 talljoy ah. 02:54 talljoy chur 02:54 rangi hehe 02:54 talljoy :-D 02:55 trea :D 02:55 trea i did get to eat some really great pho for lunch today tho 02:55 rangi http://thisisphotobomb.memebase.com/2011/11/09/photobomb-that-guy-someones-having-a-nice-trip/ 02:55 talljoy i love pho 02:55 talljoy hahahahaha 02:55 talljoy i had a great thai green curry 02:57 rangi mm green curry is good too 02:57 rangi i think might make that for dinner 02:58 talljoy yum 02:58 talljoy i could eat thai morning, lunch, dinner 02:59 trea there's a place in town that makes a tempeh phad thai that is awesome. we have a surprising number of decent thai restaraunts for kansas. 02:59 talljoy would of thunk it 02:59 rangi @later tell paul_p the main developer for piwik lives in wellington now (but is french) im all for piwik, its very cool 02:59 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded. 02:59 rangi ohhh thai 02:59 rangi oh hey trea 02:59 rangi did i show you the kansas bbq one they have here? 03:00 trea liz did. crazy! 03:00 rangi http://www.unclemikesbbq.co.nz/ 03:00 rangi havent tried it yet 03:00 rangi its on my todo list 03:00 trea was my next question 03:01 trea you would think it would be difficult to get hickory for smoking past biosecurity 03:01 rangi im hoping the decor is as tacky as the website 03:01 trea lol 03:01 trea hope springs eternal 03:02 trea unless they grow it natively 03:03 rangi yeah true 03:08 wizzyrea uh, I use the canned chickpeas 03:08 wizzyrea and you just kinda slip the skins off 03:08 wizzyrea it's like knitting, put on a show, skin some chickpeas 03:09 rangi :) 03:10 wizzyrea i imagine, with the penchant for english trees, that hickory is probably grown somewhere in NZ in some fashion 03:10 rangi i bet you are right 03:14 * jcamins_away sends rangi some cake. 03:14 jcamins_away Or, well, skinned chickpeas. 03:15 jcamins_away But it's almost like cake. 03:15 rangi :) 03:28 Oak kia ora #koha 03:32 Amit_Gupta heya chris 03:34 rangi hi Oak and Amit_Gupta 03:34 Oak :-) hello rangi 03:34 wizzyrea hi everybody 03:35 Amit_Gupta heya wizzyrea 03:35 wahanui I LIKE BAO or all about the resluts 03:35 Amit_Gupta heya Oak ;D 03:35 wizzyrea hehe 03:35 Oak Amit_Gupta :] good to see you 03:49 trea heading out. night #koha 03:49 rangi cya trea 04:10 rangi search faq? 04:10 wahanui search faq is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/ 04:17 rangi hi savitra 04:20 savitra Hi Chris.. 04:20 savitra dont hangout in the irc too often..trying to change that.. 04:20 rangi did you make it to kohacon in the end? 04:21 savitra yes I did..I was there day 2 thru day 6 04:21 rangi excellent 04:22 rangi it sounded like a good conference 04:23 savitra it was..learnt a few things..but for me and Amit it was important to meet and get to know people 04:24 rangi *nod* 04:24 rangi the people are always the most important bit 04:24 savitra we had a good chat with Robin on Open Library.. 04:24 rangi excellent 04:24 savitra and we have sent some improvements to your original open libray patch.. 04:26 rangi I think slef was looking at them 04:27 savitra yes and the openlibrary developers are here in bangalore, we can get them over to our offices at any time to collaborate.. 04:27 savitra we were hoping to meet you at the conference, but next time I guess.. 04:29 eythian http://i.imgur.com/TgQsN.png 04:31 rangi yeah I had 4 conferences in 3 weeks 04:31 rangi couldn't fit a 5th one in unfortunately 04:31 rangi but maybe see you in scotland :) 04:32 edveal Where is Koha12, in Scotland? 04:32 rangi very handy the developers are so close 04:32 rangi yep 04:32 rangi edinburgh 04:32 wahanui edinburgh is for sure now 04:32 rangi june ish 04:33 rangi we should have firm dates in the next couple of weeks 04:33 edveal Ok, I have to find a way to go and bring my wife... I just started with ByWater and have a clear goal now. LOL 04:33 rangi the organisers were just confirming a venue 04:33 rangi heh oh hi edveal :) 04:34 rangi ur in the US? 04:34 edveal rangi, I am in Texas and met you in Plano. I know you don't remember me but I remember you. 04:34 rangi Hehe all bad I hope :) 04:34 eythian he was wearing tha tchicken suit? That's how you remember him? 04:35 edveal I am good friends with Ruth (DRuth) and have been for years. 04:35 rangi did u stay for hackfest in plano? 04:35 rangi ahhhh 04:36 rangi any friend of ruth has to be worth knowing :) 04:36 edveal No I was not that advanced... LOL Actually my wife's best friend lives in the area so I was committed elsewhere. 04:36 talljoy woot. another Texas Bywaterian. 04:37 rangi ahh I feel less bad for not remembering then 04:37 rangi :) 04:37 edveal :) 04:38 edveal I was a nobody at the time. I was trying to convince my SirsiDynix library to make the move to Koha but was unsuccessful. 04:38 talljoy i'm tapped out for the day. l8r 04:38 rangi ahh, so u made the move instead eh :) 04:38 rangi cya talljoy 04:39 edveal Good night talljoy. 04:39 talljoy buenos noches 04:40 edveal For someone that grew up in San Antonio I wish I knew more spanish... LOL 04:40 rangi :) 04:41 talljoy si 04:41 talljoy hasta luego! 04:41 edveal "buenos noches" good night but what is the response? 04:41 rangi right my bus stop, good to meet you edveal and good to see u again savitra 04:42 rangi bbl 04:42 edveal And talljoy is from Fort Worth I am very embarrassed. 05:17 cait hi #koha 05:18 eythian hi cait 05:18 cait hi eythian 05:18 cait still at work? 05:18 eythian yeah, probably going to be a late one tonight. 05:18 cait oh 05:18 cait migration? 05:18 wahanui i guess migration is hard or <reply>If only they were using Koha to start with... 05:18 eythian helping out with something of an emergency 05:18 eythian (not koha related) 05:19 cait oh 05:19 cait hope it will be ok then 05:19 eythian It's mostly terrible time constraints on a project using a toolkit that I'm the only person here who's ever used it before. And that was two+ years ago. 05:20 francharb morning #koha 05:20 eythian that was a terrible sentence, also. 05:20 cait I still understood it :) 05:20 cait morning francharb :) 05:22 eythian hi francharb 05:24 Amit_Gupta heya Robin 05:25 eythian howdy 05:25 cait hi Amit_Gupta :) 05:25 Amit_Gupta heya cait 06:26 rangi hmm is dpavlin_away really away? 06:27 eythian probably, it's something like 8.30 there and he's not much of a morning person :) 06:28 rangi :) 06:52 magnuse kia ora #koha 06:53 rangi heya magnuse :) 06:53 cait morning magnuse :) 06:53 magnuse hiya rangi and cait and everyone 07:23 * mtj_goa waves from goa 07:23 mtj_goa morning all 07:23 * magnuse waves back 07:23 cait oh 07:23 cait mtj in goa :) 07:23 * cait waves too 07:24 magnuse staying long in india, mtj_goa? 07:24 mtj_goa heya cait :) 07:25 mtj_goa fly back on the 16th 07:25 rangi hey mtj_goa and dpavlin 07:26 alex_away hi 07:27 dpavlin How would you push biblio and/or item data into Koha from external digital archive? 07:27 rangi hi alex_away 07:27 dpavlin I'm interested into first-time import as well as potential update since master data is in archive 07:27 rangi dpavlin: with the stage marc import? 07:27 magnuse cait is doing something like that i think 07:27 rangi and www::mechanize 07:27 cait yep 07:28 cait we are using the scripts for staged marc import 07:28 cait but my coworker wrote the program to automate it - not sure how it works exactly 07:28 magnuse but from a script, not from the web ui, right? 07:29 dpavlin Something without user interaction and with some kind on non-chaning API would be perfect. 07:29 mtj_goa and hi magnus and dobrica too 07:29 rangi yeah, you could script it www::mechanize 07:29 rangi or just use bulkmarcimport from the cli 07:29 dpavlin We are using marc bulk import from our eprints currently, but I'm going to meeting where remote side will be Java application :-( 07:30 rangi hmm 07:30 magnuse will the data be in marc? 07:30 dpavlin No. But we can define fixed mapping to MARC for Koha (on Koha's side if at all possible ;-) 07:31 rangi morning paul_p 07:31 dpavlin I could wrap some HTTP/JSON to MARC API, but I'm wondering does something similar allready exists. 07:32 rangi not in koha 07:32 rangi we have plenty of ways to get data out 07:32 rangi but only a couple to get it in 07:32 rangi bulkmarcimport.pl 07:32 rangi and then the staged marc import in the staff interface 07:33 dpavlin rangi: Yap, but users don't enter data in Koha but in digital archive. 07:34 rangi yep 07:34 dpavlin I'm also thinking about puting Gearman in the middle and hang Koha import worker on one side and Java worker on another 07:34 rangi im just saying those are the 2 interfaces for putting data in 07:34 rangi so if they dont work, youd have to construct another one 07:35 rangi take a look in svc/ 07:35 rangi there is the start of a restful api for doing that kinda thing 07:35 dpavlin rangi++ /svc/new_bib seems to be good start :-) 07:36 rangi its how biblios.org was going to work with koha 07:39 cait yes, using staged marc import from command line 07:39 cait what we do 07:39 cait reading backnow 07:41 dpavlin It seems that MarcXML or Marc-JSON over HTTP might be easiest way (and somewhat userful for others) way to do it. However, since remote side isn't done by librarians I'm reluctant to move MARC structure and mapping to remote side. 07:41 reiveune hello 07:41 cait I think a restful api would be great 07:41 cait for things like ILL too 07:41 cait we have been talking about it, but no time to investigate 07:42 rangi we svc/ mostly works 07:42 rangi i think extending that will be of benefit to the project as a whole 07:43 dpavlin rangi: me too. I will try to write up RFC for it on wiki after meeting to give it a few more eyeballs before I implement something. 07:44 rangi yay 07:44 rangi thank you 07:45 cait dpavlin++ :) 07:46 cait bbiab 07:59 rangi hi sophie_m and Bren 07:59 sophie_m hello rangi, hi #koha 07:59 Bren Hello 08:00 rangi oh and i missed saying hi to reiveune 08:00 reiveune haha, hi rangi and everybody 08:12 * eythian really should go home 08:13 rangi yeah its getting pretty late 08:13 rangi do they want you to go up north? i see norm is on his way up 08:16 eythian they do, but I can't because I have to go to AU on Tuesday morning 08:16 rangi right 08:17 eythian I've been relearning all the java stuff I used to do, now I'm going to spend half an hour working on my presentation and then go home. 08:17 rangi cool 08:19 julian_m hi all 08:19 rangi hi julian_m 08:20 kf morning #koha 08:21 asaurat good morning ! 08:21 kf hi asaurat :) 08:22 rangi hi asaurat and kf 08:22 kf morning rangi 08:23 asaurat foo doo fa fa 08:23 kf huh? 08:25 asaurat that's how the NZ guys from "Flight of the Conchords" perceive the french language ;) 08:25 eythian seems pretty accurate :) 08:25 asaurat you can find a funny music video about it =) 08:25 rangi :) 08:25 magnuse http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f11-ClTi3og 08:25 rangi from wellington in fact 08:26 rangi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGOohBytKTU is still my fave 08:26 asaurat hehe, sure, business time :D :D 08:27 asaurat "the humans are dead" is pretty impressive too, with its binary solo ;) 08:27 rangi did they ever show the tv series there? 08:28 magnuse Flight of the Conchords is from nz? 08:28 rangi yes 08:28 rangi from wellington 08:28 rangi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2gii2nenUg 08:28 * magnuse didn't know that 08:29 rangi explains kiwis vs aussies :) 08:30 * kf saves links for later when at hoem 08:30 magnuse hehe, good one ;-) 08:30 * magnuse is at home all the time... 08:30 asaurat don't have any TV, but I don't think it was translated in French (hopefully), so we have to watch it online 08:33 asaurat have to disconnect for a meeting 08:33 asaurat foo doo fa fa !! 08:33 asaurat jacques cousteau 08:33 magnuse season 1 & 2 are on their way... 08:34 rangi heh 08:34 rangi their shows are good 08:34 rangi but i still like their standup better 08:37 magnuse i think they visited norway a year or two ago 08:38 rangi could well have done 08:38 rangi brett is also in a couple of bands, one of them being the wellington ukulele orchestra :) 08:39 magnuse hehe 08:42 eythian Wellington *international* ukulele orchestra :) 08:42 rangi hehe 08:43 rangi they are pretty good 08:43 magnuse ooh, big difference that 08:43 rangi but not a patch on the ukulele orchestra of great britain 08:44 eythian a friend of mine accidentally ended up with one of their ukuleles, after it was delivered to his house by mistake. 08:44 rangi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KZjnFZvCNc 08:44 eythian Fortunately, he was already a fan and saw when they posted on facebook that they were missing one 08:44 eythian got a free ticket out of it I think 08:45 * eythian -> home 08:45 rangi :) 08:46 kf have anice evening eythian 08:53 magnuse no debian packages for 3.6.0 yet, right? 08:54 rangi yep there are 08:54 rangi http://debian.koha-community.org/koha/pool/main/k/koha/ 08:54 magnuse ah, cool! 08:58 magnuse i have a swedish library (koha.sipri.org) asking when there will be packages of 3.6.0 - maybe they have to change something in /etc/apt/sources.list or thereabouts to get it? 08:58 rangi hmm shouldnt 08:59 rangi unless they were running the squeeze-dev ones 08:59 rangi ie 3.5.x 08:59 magnuse their opac says Koha 3.0405000 now 09:00 magnuse if that is running off the packages, wouldn't 3.4.6 be the next logical step? 09:00 magnuse (i'm not sure they have actually moved to the packages yet) 09:00 rangi 3.6.0 is the latest stable package 09:01 rangi the problem is we now have 2 stables 09:01 magnuse yup 09:01 rangi when eythian has some time 09:01 rangi HAH 09:01 magnuse :-) 09:01 rangi we'll sort it out, stable oldstable and dev or something 09:03 magnuse sounds like a plan 09:04 magnuse but they could download the 3.6.0 package from http://debian.koha-community.org/koha/pool/main/k/koha/ and just install it with dpkg, if they are in a hurry, right? 09:04 magnuse i'll tell them might want to wait for 3.6.1 anyway... 09:04 rangi yeah but easier to just add the source and do it properly 09:05 rangi if they follow the instructions to install squeeze one, they will get 3.6.0 09:05 rangi then will be able to upgrade to 3.6.1 easy 09:05 rangi if they were already using packages 09:05 rangi then apt-get update 09:05 rangi apt-get upgrade will get them 3.6.0 09:06 magnuse ah ok, if you say so :-) 09:06 rangi yeah it will 09:06 * rangi has done it on 2 sites 09:06 magnuse i believe you! ;-) 09:06 rangi as long as they ahve in their sources.list 09:07 rangi deb http://debian.koha-community.org/koha squeeze main 09:07 rangi if they dpkg it, it will not pull in the dependencies 09:07 magnuse because squeeze = stable and latest stable = 3.6.0 09:07 rangi yup 09:07 magnuse ok, thanks 09:08 magnuse that reminds me of another thing i meant to ask 09:08 magnuse i want to host my customers on the packages 09:08 rangi http://debian.koha-community.org/koha/dists/squeeze/main/binary-amd64/Packages 09:08 magnuse and i want them to be as close to the official version as possible 09:08 rangi cool 09:08 magnuse but sometimes i will need to apply a patch before it gets into a package 09:09 rangi yup 09:09 rangi what you can do is 09:09 rangi apply the patch 09:09 rangi build the package 09:09 magnuse is it feasible to mostly run off the official packages, but when needs arise apply a patch, build a package and run off that until the patch is in an official package? 09:10 magnuse and then go back to running off the official packages? 09:10 rangi name it 3.6.0-1~something 09:10 rangi then when 3.6.1 comes along its newer 09:10 rangi exactly 09:10 rangi the easiest way to do it 09:10 rangi is to run a apt repository urself 09:11 rangi using reprepro 09:11 rangi http://mirrorer.alioth.debian.org/ 09:11 magnuse i think i tried that, but gor confused by some of the debian lingo... 09:11 rangi right 09:12 rangi its actually not as hard as it seems 09:12 magnuse ah, so i could set that up to mirror the official packages, and then sneak my custom packages in between the official ones? 09:12 rangi exacterly 09:12 magnuse very cool 09:12 rangi and you clients have 09:13 rangi deb.libriotech.no 09:13 rangi in their sources.list 09:13 rangi so you can push a new package up to your apt repo 09:13 magnuse yeah (but i'll be doing the hosting on my servers, mostly, i hope) 09:13 rangi and then apt-get update; apt-get upgrade 09:13 rangi yourself 09:13 magnuse yeah, i see 09:14 magnuse i better take the time to get that repo set up! 09:14 rangi :) 09:15 rangi im going to see if we can get lars to give his tutorial on debian packaging and repos at the kohacon12 dev conference :) 09:15 rangi it was very useful 09:15 rangi i learnt a lot 09:15 magnuse that would be awesome! 09:16 magnuse http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Wishlist_for_KohaCon12 09:17 rangi :) 09:17 magnuse kia ora hdl 09:18 hdl hi 09:18 rangi hi hdl 09:18 magnuse rangi: thanks for your tips on the packages - that sorted out some things I have been wondering about! 09:18 rangi no problem 09:25 magnuse o/ 09:26 druthb hi, magnuse. 09:26 magnuse namaste druthb 09:26 druthb :) 09:26 rangi hey druthb :) 09:26 druthb hi, rangi! 09:48 * druthb goes back to bed for a bit. 10:27 ropuch Hello #koha 10:29 rangi hi ropuch 10:35 druthb o/ 10:35 Amit_Gupta heya druthb 10:36 druthb Hi, Amit_Gupta. :) 10:46 ropuch Anybody knows what "gg." abreviation after publication year stands for? I saw that in some russian biblio description 10:51 fabio_t Hi #koha 10:56 Amit_Gupta heya ropuch, fabio_t 10:57 fabio_t Hi Amit_Gupta 10:58 fabio_t I have a problem with the MARC framework test in Koha 3.6 packages 10:59 fabio_t the test complains about biblio.biblionumber and biblioitems.biblioitemnumber being not linked to MARC 11:00 fabio_t while (if I go to the Koha-MARC links section) they are 11:00 fabio_t correctly linked. 11:02 fabio_t from the Koha-MARC links page, biblionumber is linked to 001 @ 11:03 fabio_t biblioitemnumber to 090 a 11:03 fabio_t I can't rebuild Zebra because of it (I think so) 11:03 magnuse @marc 090a 11:03 huginn magnuse: unknown tag 090a 11:04 magnuse @marc 090 11:04 huginn magnuse: unknown tag 090 11:04 magnuse hmf 11:06 fabio_t so no record found by search 11:06 fabio_t when I run koha-rebuild-zebra -f instanceName 11:07 fabio_t I got... 11:08 fabio_t a message similar to this: [warn] Record didn't contain match fields in (bib1,Local-number) 11:09 fabio_t (I ran the command again two minutes ago but I'm still waiting the output...) 11:11 liw rangi, you've got your work cut for you, getting me to give a Debian packaging tutorial... you'll need to tell me when the conference is! 11:11 fabio_t I tried to edit Zebra's record.abs for UNIMARC (Italy) with no results 11:12 magnuse liw: june, in edinburgh - the specific dates have not been set yet i think 11:13 fabio_t changing "melm 001 Local-number,Local-number:n" to "melm 001$@ Local-number,Local-number:n" 11:14 fabio_t and "melm 090$9 Local-number,Local-number:n" to "melm 090$a Local-number,Local-number:n" 11:14 magnuse hm, are you sure 001$@ is right? 11:16 fabio_t hi magnuse 11:16 fabio_t 001$@ in Koha-MARC page or in record.abs? 11:17 magnuse hiya fabio_t 11:17 magnuse in record.abs 11:17 magnuse i have never tried changing it myself, though... 11:18 fabio_t (yep, output it's the same in my shell: 12:09:22-10/11 zebraidx(18798) [warn] Record didn't contain match fields in (bib1,Local-number) 11:19 fabio_t I don't know magnuse, I matched it with Koha one 11:20 fabio_t I'm wondering which is the current standard though 11:20 magnuse i think record.abs needs melm 001 11:22 magnuse 001$@ is just a way of saying 001 is a controlfield that does not have subfields - it's just shorthand in the koha interface, i think 11:22 fabio_t somewhere i read 090$c/$d (Koha lists), somewhere 090$9 (Zebra's record.abs), elsewhere 090$a (3.6 packaged's framework) 11:22 magnuse you are using unimarc? 11:22 fabio_t thank you for pointing this out! 11:23 fabio_t i'm going to change it and restart Zebra, let's see 11:23 fabio_t yes I do, UNIMARC installation and UNIMARC imported records 11:26 fabio_t ok 11:26 magnuse fingers crossed! 11:26 fabio_t now I'm running koha-rebuild-zebra -f kohatest again 11:26 fabio_t :) 11:27 magnuse and this time it runs? 11:27 fabio_t uh, by the way, records work fine in other installation (Koha 3.0) 11:28 fabio_t it's still running 11:29 fabio_t should it just take a few seconds? 11:29 magnuse depends on the number of records 11:29 fabio_t ok, it was a quite large import 11:30 fabio_t 30k records 11:32 fabio_t no way. 11:32 fabio_t I'm going to comment the 090 line 11:32 magnuse yeah, that could take some time, depending on the machine it's running on 11:33 magnuse shouldn't take too long, though 11:42 fabio_t no, still failing... 11:42 fabio_t thank you magnuse 11:42 fabio_t I have to quit 11:42 fabio_t see you 13:01 druthb o/ 13:22 muddle Hi there! I am currently facing a MySQL database corruption due to an unexpected server shutdown. It appears that the table "import_records" was corrupted and cannot be repaired. 13:23 muddle Does the table "import_records" contain any important information or can I just truncate this table? Thank you! 13:25 oleonard schema? 13:25 wahanui rumour has it schema is tracked in git. or found at http://schema.koha-community.org 13:25 druthb good morning, oleonard. 13:25 oleonard muddle: It seems to be related to the history of records you've imported into Koha using the Stage MARC record tool 13:26 jwagner If you do truncate it, you should check first for relationships to other tables, like import_batches and the other import_* tables 13:27 oleonard Hence the schema link 13:27 jwagner Correct 13:27 muddle Ah, thanks for the pointers. 13:30 oleonard Safely home now druthb? 13:31 druthb yes, I'm back in TN, with the Minion. 13:38 oleonard How did your Minion survive without your relentless oppressive orders giving her life meaning? :) 13:39 druthb She did well...has started getting up earlier, and she did some chores and things around here. I'm glad she had a place to stay while I was away, but we're ready to get back on the road, I think. 13:41 * magnus_afk hums "on the road again"... 13:41 * druthb grins at magnus. 13:41 magnus_afk probably off key, though, sorry about that 13:42 druthb s'ok. 13:42 druthb Willie Nelson sings sharp, too. 13:42 magnus_afk yay 13:42 magnus_afk i'm like tone deaf... 13:46 jcamins_away JesseM: welcome back to the US. 13:47 JesseM thx jcamins_away 13:54 Oak @wunder islamabad 13:54 huginn Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 21.0�C (6:00 PM PKT on November 10, 2011). Conditions: Drizzle. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). 13:54 Oak oooh drizzle 13:54 * Oak goes to the roof 13:54 magnus_afk @wunder boo 13:54 huginn magnus_afk: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 7.0�C (2:20 PM CET on November 10, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Windchill: 4.0�C. Pressure: 30.36 in 1028 hPa (Steady). 13:54 jcamins @wunder 11375 13:54 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in Middle Village, Queens, New York is 13.4�C (8:51 AM EST on November 10, 2011). Conditions: Fog. Humidity: 98%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1011.7 hPa (Steady). 13:54 Oak magnus_afk 13:54 magnus_afk Oak 13:55 Oak okay really really going to the roof now 13:55 Oak later 13:55 magnuse enjoy! 13:58 druthb @wunder columbia, tn 13:58 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Spring Hill, Tennessee is 2.5�C (9:56 AM AST on November 10, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Windchill: 2.0�C. Pressure: 30.20 in 1022.6 hPa (Steady). 13:58 druthb @wunder mumbai 13:58 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 30.0�C (6:40 PM IST on November 10, 2011). Conditions: Smoke. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 22.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady). 13:58 druthb no wonder I'm cold. 14:05 Oak yup. drizzling. dark clouds. city lights. cool breeze. bright headlights and red tail lights of cars. nice. 14:06 magnuse ooh, poetic! 14:06 Oak :) 14:06 * druthb waves to Oak. 14:06 Oak hello druthb :) 14:07 tcohen sopac vs. vufind? 14:07 jcamins tcohen: very different use cases, I think. 14:07 magnuse depends a little on what you want to do, i'd say 14:08 tcohen i need to provide researchers a central place to look for material from libraries 14:10 tcohen i've just heard about sopac2 fr the first time while reading the 3.6 manual to respond to koha@lists 14:10 jcamins tcohen: my instinct is that you'd probably do better with vufind, but it really depends how your researchers would be using it. 14:11 tcohen thanks jcamins 14:12 tcohen i think i'll have to dig a little on this topic to decide 14:12 * jcamins tosses JesseM some duct tape. 14:19 Oak Brooke? 14:19 wahanui I'M TAKING THE PISS OUT OF 'EM. or a ratbag. 14:20 nengard HA! 14:23 druthb lol 14:23 tcohen wahanui is crazy 14:23 druthb wahanui: druthb? 14:23 wahanui you are probably rocking the sari. 14:23 druthb lol 14:23 tcohen exactly 14:36 magnuse i forget... bugs should be reported against master or rel_3_8? 14:37 oleonard I thought master 14:39 magnuse i'll try that, and then paul_p can flay me alive if it's wrong ;-) 14:51 wizzyrea good morning. 14:51 magnuse kia ora wizzyrea 14:52 trea o/ 14:52 wizzyrea just curious question of the day: how does koha compute popularity for the popularity sort? 14:53 magnuse \o 14:53 magnuse number of times something has been issued? just guessing... 14:54 wizzyrea yea, idk either! 14:55 jcamins It's supposed to be number of times something has been issued. 14:55 jcamins I don't think it actually works. 14:58 wizzyrea hm oki thanks 15:05 libsysguy seen jcamins 15:05 wahanui jcamins was last seen on #koha 10 minutes and 16 seconds ago, saying: I don't think it actually works. [Thu Nov 10 14:53:49 2011] 15:06 oleonard Stop hiding, jcamins, no one can find you. 15:06 libsysguy jcamins I just wanted to let you know that you were half right on the display bit from my overlaying question yesterday 15:06 libsysguy i actually can never tell if jcamins is himself or away 15:07 libsysguy i guess oleonard you might be interested too 15:07 libsysguy if you want to use the z-index property you have to have the position property defined 15:13 rhcl whereis coffee 15:14 libsysguy $coffee->location(); 15:14 rhcl echo $LOCATION 15:14 libsysguy Server Response: In Pot. 15:14 rhcl find . -name Pot -print 15:14 jcamins libsysguy: oh, position, not display. 15:14 jcamins Well, I was close. 15:15 oleonard Or in Drupal, $node->beverages['coffee']['location']['#value']; 15:15 jcamins :) 15:15 libsysguy true jcamins 15:15 libsysguy is frustrated with drupal modules 15:15 libsysguy i am ** 15:15 oleonard Sorry, bad example. It's not sufficiently nested inside multiple arrays. 15:15 libsysguy exactly 15:19 rhcl One thing about Drupal we've decided is that you almost have to host your own installation so you have enough control to install the modules you need. 15:19 Oak home? 15:19 wahanui home is fine 15:20 rhcl most off-site hosted installations somehow don't have open enough permissions to let you install all they things you need. 15:21 libsysguy I just meant when writing my own 15:21 rhcl oak! 15:22 Oak rhcl! at last we meet... 15:22 libsysguy I want a feature module for blog posts but setting it up with the database queries and the blocks is a pain 15:22 rhcl and there's not a module for that already out there? 15:22 oleonard And Views won't do it? 15:25 Oak what's the link of your Drupal site? 15:28 libsysguy lib.uttyler.edu 15:28 libsysguy well the one im working on 15:29 libsysguy It is kind of custom 15:29 * Oak works in Joomal 15:29 Oak crap 15:29 Oak Joomla 15:30 Oak very nice libsysguy !! 15:30 libsysguy gracias Oak 15:30 libsysguy did that over the weekend 15:31 Oak that clicky module under the horizontal nav. is it custom, or some module? 15:32 libsysguy custom...thats what im trying to write into a module and give back 15:32 Oak cool. 15:33 libsysguy yeah...im still pretty new 15:34 druthb libsysguy++ 15:34 Oak libsysguy++ 15:41 libsysguy aww thanks guys 15:42 libsysguy druthb are you guys back from india 15:42 druthb yes 15:43 * libsysguy plots how to harass sekjal about hourly and notices 15:45 mle libsysguy++ 15:49 libsysguy just out of curiousity how to the ++'s contribute to you 15:49 libsysguy or is just just like an irc thanks 15:50 oleonard @karma libsysguy 15:50 huginn oleonard: Karma for "libsysguy" has been increased 13 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 13. 15:50 oleonard @karma ie 15:50 huginn oleonard: Karma for "ie" has been increased 0 times and decreased 31 times for a total karma of -31. 15:51 libsysguy thats awesome 15:51 druthb @karma kmkale 15:51 huginn druthb: Karma for "kmkale" has been increased 29 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 29. 15:51 libsysguy @karma rangi 15:51 huginn libsysguy: Karma for "rangi" has been increased 439 times and decreased 5 times for a total karma of 434. 15:52 druthb kmkale++ #for a fantastic KohaCon. Great job, for a first-time conference organizer. 16:05 libsysguy wb koha-conners 16:05 libsysguy that came out wrong 16:07 reiveune bye 16:08 libsysguy sekjal i just pushed a newly merged branch of master/hourly 16:09 wizzyrea libsysguy++ 16:09 JesseM kmkale++ 16:10 wizzyrea kmkale++ 16:21 francharb hi guys, ladies 16:21 francharb and bye guys, ladies 16:21 francharb jetlag is great! i wake up early to go to work! 6am this morning... 16:21 francharb wooo 16:21 francharb but at the end of the day 16:21 francharb well 16:21 francharb i need to sleeeeep 16:22 francharb anyway 16:22 francharb kmkale++ 16:22 francharb anywau 16:22 francharb anyway 16:22 francharb ;) 16:23 sekjal I woke up this morning with a craving for Indian food. was not expecting that 16:25 * jcamins always craves Indian food. ;) 16:32 fabio_t hi! 16:33 wizzyrea what would cause a reserve to have a NULL biblionumber? 16:34 oleonard Gremlins. 16:35 wizzyrea http://screencast.com/t/gEaTziOy 16:36 druthb pixies! 16:37 oleonard Specifically Kim Deal. 16:37 wizzyrea lol 16:37 * druthb discovers that if you type "Bollywood" into Pandora, you get fun music that reminds me of about half the television channels in Mumbai. 16:37 wizzyrea ha, and they can't deleted 16:38 wizzyrea neat. 16:40 fabio_t I'm still stuck in the (UNI)MARC framework test error for Koha 3.6 packages... could anyone help? 16:45 fabio_t I'm getting this error: biblio.biblionumber and biblioitems.biblioitemnumber not linked to MARC 16:46 fabio_t but I've checked in the page Links between Koha and MARC and they seem to be properly linked. 16:49 fabio_t I can't rebuild Zebra index too, koha-rebuild-zebra -f instanceName returns this warning: [warn] Record didn't contain match fields in (bib1,Local-number) 16:50 * wizzyrea doesn't know unimarc, sorry :( 16:50 fabio_t I tried editing Zebra UNIMARC's record.abs but with no luck 16:51 fabio_t thanks anyway wizzyrea 16:52 wizzyrea this is marc21, does your link look similar? with the proper tags/subfields of course: http://screencast.com/t/XO0eZnPwOnN 16:53 jcamins fabio_t: I would suggest you start over with one of the UNIMARC frameworks that comes with Koha. 16:53 oleonard the default sql for UNIMARC says biblionumber should be linked to 001 subfield @ 16:53 wizzyrea actually do what they said 16:54 wizzyrea I bet you deleted the field where biblionumber is stored. 16:54 * jcamins_away is on his way out the door, but that's his suggestion. 16:54 wizzyrea in your framework 16:58 fabio_t ok thanks guys 16:58 fabio_t I'm using Koha default UNIMARC framework 16:59 wizzyrea have you deleted fields in it? 16:59 wizzyrea s/in/from 16:59 fabio_t no, I just run some koha-dump and koha-restore 17:00 fabio_t beside that, no modification were made 17:01 fabio_t * beyond that 17:01 jcamins_away fabio_t: I'm really leaving now, but this sounds like a serious bug. Report it on bugs.koha-community.org? 17:04 fabio_t ok. I guessed it. 17:04 fabio_t I will report it. 17:09 fabio_t here's my screen of Koha to MARC mapping 17:09 fabio_t http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/28/schermataeek.png/ 17:15 fabio_t I had some troubles with koha-restore, as I remember 17:17 fabio_t I wonder if that could mess up the database 17:21 aarkerio hi! is this a good way to cataloguing journal articles: 17:21 aarkerio http://lists.katipo.co.nz/public/koha/2010-April/023415.html 17:27 oleonard aarkerio: Have you tried asking about this on the Koha mailing list? 17:28 aarkerio well, since somebody already had resolved the issue, I just wanna know some opinion about such solution 17:57 aarkerio in this string: 0#$7nnas$tCalifornia journal.$gVol. 24, pt. B no. 9 (Sept. 1993), p. 235-48$q24:B:9<235 17:57 aarkerio what "nnas" mean? 17:58 cait which field is that? 17:58 aarkerio 773 - Host Item Entry 17:59 aarkerio I saw the example here: 17:59 aarkerio http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd773.html 17:59 cait @marc 773$7 17:59 huginn cait: unknown tag 773$7 17:59 cait @marc 773 17:59 huginn cait: Information concerning the host item for the constituent unit described in the record (vertical relationship). In the case of host items that are serial or multi-volume in nature, information in subfields $g and $q is necessary to point to the exact location of the component part within the bibliographic item. (Repeatable) [b,d,g,h,i,k,m,n,o,p,q,r,s,t,u,w,x,y,z,3,6,7,8] 18:00 cait @marc 773 7 18:00 huginn cait: Control subfield See the description of subfield $7 under field 760./0 - Type of main entry heading 18:03 aarkerio in: 0#$tPacific rail news.$q279<GM5 18:03 aarkerio 0# == Display note? 18:04 cait not sure 18:05 cait aarkerio: perhaps we can discuss this another time? 18:05 cait I know some things about analytics 18:05 cait but just got home 18:05 cait and really tired 18:06 aarkerio oh!! thanks for your help!! 18:08 fabio_t I'm leaving 18:08 fabio_t bye 18:26 rangi @wunder wellington nz 18:26 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 11.0�C (7:00 AM NZDT on November 11, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). 18:26 rangi gonna be a lovely day 18:38 cait @wunder Konstanz 18:38 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 4.9�C (7:34 PM CET on November 10, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 97%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Windchill: 5.0�C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1021.9 hPa (Steady). 18:40 rangi I win 18:41 jwagner @wunder Bethesda, MD 18:41 huginn jwagner: The current temperature in Somerset, Chevy Chase, Maryland is 8.1�C (1:35 PM EST on November 10, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Windchill: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1011.7 hPa (Falling). 18:44 cait rangi: you always win :( 18:52 rangi hi edveal and ebegin 18:52 ebegin Hey rangi! 18:53 edveal hello 18:56 rangi ebegin: access might be in montreal next year 18:56 rangi i went to it this year, in vancouver 18:56 ebegin Nice. How was vancouver ? 18:56 rangi very nice, and the conference is a very very good one 18:57 ebegin did you present something ? 18:57 rangi so i will try to make it next year 18:57 rangi yep 18:57 rangi http://access2011.library.ubc.ca/schedule/#day1 at 2.30 18:59 cait he was great :) 19:01 slef please include a summary when you edit the wiki - it makes the notification emails much more informative. 19:01 ebegin cait, you went to access too I guess :) 19:01 cait nope, but watched the live stream 19:01 cait hehe 19:05 ebegin rangi, what does Tatou Tatou means ? 19:07 rangi hmm, hard to translate 19:07 rangi teamwork maybe? 19:08 bg heya rangu 19:08 bg rangi 19:08 rangi yo bg :) 19:08 rangi how was mumbai? 19:08 bg it was interesting... 19:08 bg :D 19:08 rangi :) 19:17 rangi https://twitter.com/#!/nothings/status/134571953724997632 19:18 magnus_afk teehee 19:20 cait heya magnus_afk :) 19:20 magnus_afk guten abend cait 19:22 trea hey is there any way to back out of a failed marc stage? ie, if the file times out before the staging can complete 19:23 wizzyrea how many records are we talkin about? 19:23 trea quite a few. iirc the file timed out due to it's size. 19:23 wizzyrea oh 19:24 rangi hmm was it a timeout 19:24 rangi or apache saying, thats too big 19:24 rangi cos there is a max upload size 19:24 rangi which is a setting in apache 19:24 trea ok. good question. i don't have that info unfortunately. will have to ask them to clarify 19:25 wizzyrea It didn't show up in "manage staged" 19:25 wizzyrea ? 19:25 rangi sometimes i wish i could respond to tickets with 19:25 rangi whatchu talkin bout willis 19:26 wizzyrea hehe 19:26 wizzyrea the log might say what happened 19:32 libsysguy_afk or you can just see if they inserted into the database 19:32 libsysguy well 19:32 libsysguy in the staging area 19:36 trea yea, the file doesn't even appear in manage staged 19:37 trea so i don't think it got that far 19:38 oleonard New version of LEK, but no download link? How strange... 19:39 oleonard One nice thing about the real Koha is you don't have to call someone to get it. 19:39 bg s/real// 19:40 bg heh s/the real// 19:40 oleonard True bg, though some won't acknowledge it. 19:40 bg :) 19:44 oleonard How do we get a press release on Breeding's site? 19:44 rangi i think just send it to him ? 19:44 bg hmm.. NateC 19:45 rangi i think his rule is, he just publishes it verbatim 19:45 oleonard We should do it for every release 19:45 rangi oh yeah, good idea 19:46 NateC oleonard: Just go to the bottom of the front page on LTG and click on "notify him" 19:47 NateC then you can paste the release in the box that pops up and he will get it on the site for you 19:47 rangi we could do that for 3.4.6 ? 19:47 NateC I don't see why not 19:48 NateC It is a new release of Koha so yes 19:48 oleonard any objections to me copy-and-pasting the 3.4.6 announcement and sending? 19:48 magnuse oleonard++ 19:49 wizzyrea naw, go go :) 19:49 nengard we just need to make sure he links it to the right Koha :) 19:49 wizzyrea oh lord. 19:49 rangi none from me 19:49 NateC oleonard++ 19:50 nengard wizzyrea he links all press to specific companies/products 19:50 nengard that's why i say that 19:50 rangi we could ask chris_n and paul_p to do it as part of each release 19:50 rangi yeah make it koha -- independent 19:50 rangi if thats an option 19:50 rangi or 19:50 oleonard There's no option in the message form 19:50 wizzyrea no i mean, oh lord, he *would* get it wrong. 19:50 rangi koha -- your model doesnt work for open source sort it out 19:51 wizzyrea hehe 19:51 cait we could do it for 3.6 perhaps too? 19:51 rangi yep 19:51 cait gna 19:51 cait scrolling broken again 19:52 chris_n +1 from me 19:52 oleonard Sent 19:52 magnuse yay 19:54 oleonard All those contributors' names are a huge win over any LEK press release 19:54 cait :) 19:55 cait so right 19:56 bg totally true oleonard 20:04 rangi its up 20:04 rangi who knew 20:05 oleonard And well-enough sourced as "koha-community.org" 20:05 rangi http://www.librarytechnology.org/bib-processquery.pl?code=&code=BIB&Company=koha-community.org&sort=chron 20:05 rangi yup 20:05 rangi apparently we did do 3.4.0 20:05 oleonard Shame none of the hyperlinks work 20:06 rangi we should do 3.6.0 too eh? 20:06 wizzyrea nod 20:06 rangi by we i mean someone not me 20:06 rangi cos im lazy 20:06 rangi ;) 20:06 slef @quote add <oleonard> One nice thing about the real Koha is you don't have to call someone to get it. 20:06 huginn slef: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 20:06 slef huginn: get bent 20:06 huginn slef: Error: The command "get" is available in the Dunno, Herald, Lart, Quote, and ReleaseDay plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "get". 20:06 slef we should take it in turns to paste mbreeding release announcements, to demonstrate the brokenness of his model 20:06 wizzyrea @quote add <oleonard> One nice thing about the real Koha is you don't have to call someone to get it. 20:06 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #163 added. 20:08 slef Anyone got strong feelings about if I try using a crowdsourcing platform to collect kohacon12 sponsorships? 20:08 rangi i do 20:08 rangi i think its a great idea 20:09 magnuse slef++ 20:09 slef Any recommendations? 20:09 slef kickstarter and indiegogo seem to be the two most talked-about, but I've not started reviewing any yet (we're finalising venues first) 20:10 rangi i know that bengard has used kickstarter successfully in the past 20:10 rangi thats right eh nengard ? 20:10 cait slef++ 20:10 cait :) 20:11 nengard yes 20:11 nengard bengard likes kickstarter and uses it for his games 20:11 nengard but it uses amazon payments so you have to give amazon you account info 20:12 slef oh poo 20:12 nengard not sure how you feel about that 20:12 slef it's also US residents only 20:12 nengard figured you'd say that 20:12 nengard oh 20:12 nengard well that won't work 20:12 slef nah, we fail before we get to that 20:12 slef :) 20:12 oleonard Submitting the 3.6 announcement if no one else has beat me to it 20:12 wizzyrea gogo gadget oleonard 20:12 nengard slef do we have dates yet? 20:12 nengard need to get it on the calendar 20:13 rangi ive never heard of indiegogo 20:13 cait oleonard++ 20:13 cait yeah dates! :) at the moment I blocked june totally 20:13 cait just to make sure :) 20:13 nengard heh 20:13 nengard i can't do that - i have to train libraries in june 20:13 slef nengard: nearly, sorry! I'm pretty sure it'll be somewhere in the window 1-12 June. 20:13 nengard got to put them around kohacon 20:14 nengard k 20:14 nengard that's better than then entire month :) 20:14 magnuse https://twitter.com/#!/mbreeding/statuses/134723763253149696 20:14 slef Yeah, I just narrowed it because I feel bad about cait blocking the whole month. 20:14 slef We 99% won't clash with ALA 20:14 nengard woo hoo! 20:14 slef which I think is 22-end June? 20:14 nengard oleonard++ 20:14 rangi woot 20:15 slef HASHBANGS MUST DIE! :) 20:15 oleonard It's like an automatic tweet machine 20:15 nengard hashbangs? 20:15 slef #! 20:15 nengard oh! in the URL 20:15 nengard okay 20:15 nengard didn't know what we were talking about 20:15 chris_n so much for formatting 20:15 slef it's URL breakage by javascript 20:16 slef indiegogo looks possible 20:17 cait hm 20:17 slef I mean, we could just use the co-op's current card and bank transfer processing, which would be cheaper, but lacks transparency. 20:17 cait perhaps we should do a feature write up sometime 20:17 cait like the nice release notes nicole did 20:17 cait nengard++ :) 20:17 cait going to do something like that for our libraries too 20:17 slef I also quite like the idea of pulling in new contributors 20:20 cait nengard: around? 20:20 cait I have a suggestion omnibus bug 20:20 cait you might want to look at 20:20 cait suggestion mailing is very broken :( 20:20 nengard bleh 20:20 slef Oh, the other questions are: would people like to group-book accommodation in exchange for a discount? And would anyone be interested in a road trip maybe London-Birmingham-Manchester-The Lake District-Edinburgh if I could pull it together? 20:20 nengard i did see a bunch of the suggestion email bugs 20:20 nengard but didn't see the one i reported 20:20 nengard what's the number on that? 20:21 nengard slef we have friends down near manchester :) 20:21 nengard would love to go there - plan on doing it anyway 20:22 magnuse slef: discount++ but on the other hand i was very happy with staying at a b&b in wellington - that might be less feasible in edinburg, maybe, though? roadtrip++ 20:22 cait bug 4211 20:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4211 major, P1 - high, ---, chris, NEW , Acquisitions actions on suggestions don't generate email 20:22 slef Where would people fly into, do you know? 20:22 oleonard slef: Yes and yes 20:22 cait bug 7212 20:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7212 major, P5 - low, ---, henridamien, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, title not populating in suggestion accepted email (ACCEPTED) 20:22 oleonard slef: Where would you recommend? 20:22 cait hm 20:22 cait resolved?? 20:22 cait ah 20:23 cait duplicate 20:23 cait ... 20:23 cait now I confused myself 20:23 nengard heh 20:23 cait bug 7093 20:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7093 critical, P5 - low, ---, henridamien, NEW , Placeholders for suggestion table in suggestion related mails broken 20:23 nengard bingo 20:23 slef oleonard: In distance, EDI > Glasgow > Manchester > BHX > LUT > LHR > STN > LGW 20:23 cait roadtrip++ 20:24 slef oleonard: I'd fly into wherever is direct and then travel by land, personally. 20:24 * magnuse could fly to london, but there also cheap flights from oslo to edinburgh 20:24 nengard trains are easy peasy 20:24 nengard US to UK in June is never cheap 20:24 nengard but I'll look for the best deal 20:24 * magnuse did 2 weeks of interrail in scotland in '92 20:25 cait think it should be ok from here 20:25 cait my flight to london was cheap... only delayed! 20:25 * nengard did rail all over the UK for a year in college 20:25 cait did a road trip some years ago with friends? 20:25 nengard actually i think bengard's parents drove us to ediburgh when they visited 20:25 cait slef: not sore about group booking 20:25 cait sure 20:25 cait ... 20:26 cait can't type 20:26 slef just remember, if you book train tickets, I think you need to pick "print at the station" or whatever it is, because most of them won't post overseas. I prefer http://www.redspottedhanky.com/ and http://www.southernrailway.com/ - the second has a "Rainy Day Guarantee" where they will refund you if you can't make it, as long as you haven't printed the tickets. 20:27 * magnuse is so looking forward to kohacon12 20:28 slef oh and we have three types of ticket: Anytime which is the basic but most expensive, Off-Peak which can be used any time except commuter trains and Advance which must be prebooked to particular trains but is lots cheaper. 20:28 slef and some birmingham-edinburgh trains are like £3.50 on http://www.megabus.com/uk/ 20:28 slef I'll wiki this eventually :) 20:28 magnuse slef++ 20:29 rangi catalyst-eu is in brighton 20:29 rangi so ill be doing a side trip there at some point 20:29 cait slef++ :) 20:29 rangi but ill probably fly into heathrow 20:29 cait but perhaps repeat some of that... when the dates are set 20:30 rangi wlg->akl->singapore->heathrow 20:30 rangi if i can 20:30 cait be careful... 20:30 cait they like loosing suitcases 20:30 rangi hehe 20:31 nengard yikes 20:31 * magnuse did akl->singapore->heathrow a year ago, i think - no problems 20:31 rangi :) 20:31 rangi its a nice way to do it 20:31 rangi singapore has a great airport 20:31 rangi i figure there must be trains from heathrow to edinburgh 20:32 magnuse only problem was the last two hours into london were terribly long :-) 20:32 * oleonard is getting a little too bouncy thinking about this stuff, better tune out 20:32 rangi hehe 20:33 slef rangi: http://traintimes.org.uk/heathrow/brighton/13:00 says it's about 2h 20:33 nengard ewr to manchester looks cheapest for me 20:33 slef rangi: and: "trains from heathrow to edinburgh" heh. No. Not yet. 2020 maybe. 20:33 rangi yay 20:34 slef rangi: train or tube from heathrow to London, then train to edinburgh. 20:34 rangi seems 20:34 rangi yeah 20:34 rangi to euston 20:34 slef only place that has trains from Heathrow is London Paddington (the station for the West) 20:34 rangi then to carstairs 20:35 slef Trains to Edinburgh go from King's Cross 20:35 slef (the station for the North-East) 20:35 rangi yep 20:35 rangi you can do it that way too 20:35 rangi http://traintimes.org.uk/heathrow/edinburgh/20:45/today 20:35 rangi handy site 20:35 slef rangi: oh, the sleeper runs from Euston 20:35 rangi ohhh 20:35 rangi that would work 20:36 slef 05:46 – 11:25 is the first "normal" routed train 20:36 slef traintimes is a handy fan site 20:37 rangi yeah 20:37 slef it's what the train companies *should* have made 20:37 rangi *nod* 20:37 slef http://traintimes.org.uk/live/edi 20:37 * magnuse can't wait to meet y'all again! 20:38 slef http://traintimes.org.uk/map/?edb 20:39 * cait bounces 20:39 cait can we make it tomorrow? 20:39 cait not june? 20:39 cait although june is still a lot better than next november! 20:40 rhcl hey slef, I hear you have salmon fishing in Scotland 20:40 slef rhcl: I'm English ;-) but I hear they do too 20:41 slef ok anyone wanting a sneak preview of the venue, please /join #kohacon 20:41 rhcl OK, Great Britain then? 20:42 slef rhcl: I saw your earlier comments. I don't know anything about it, but I think mle may look into it once we've got the venue straightened. 20:42 rhcl 'k. TNX 20:42 * chris_n notes a potential sponsor for koha-mobile 20:51 slef anyone know how many people have been at each hackfest? 20:54 slef mle: hello there! 20:54 mle : ) 20:54 slef until my nick-complete kicked in... 20:55 cait slef: I think you could count form the photos for nz 20:56 cait from nz... 20:56 cait hard to tell probably how many will be interested 21:06 jcamins_away Ooh, do we know the dates for KohaCon 2012? 21:06 wizzyrea jcamins_away: shh 21:06 wizzyrea sometime in june. 21:06 jcamins_away wizzyrea: people are booking train tickets without knowing dates? 21:07 wizzyrea no, people are exploring possibilities without knowing dates. ;) 21:08 cait people get very excited 21:08 cait :) 21:08 jcamins_away Ah. 21:09 cait I am one of those 21:09 cait all excited, can't wait :) 21:09 cait jcamins_away: planning to go? 21:09 jcamins_away cait: if I can. 21:10 cait oh, I hope you can! 21:10 jcamins_away Me too! 21:10 cait :) 21:10 cait and bring cookies? 21:10 cait hehe 21:11 * oleonard wonders if he can hire Supernanny to take care of the kids 21:13 jcamins_away cait: could be. :) 21:13 * wizzyrea wonders if she could hitch on to that train 21:14 wizzyrea i bet it would blow spud's mind to know there's a smaller kid with the same name as his dad ^.^ 21:14 wizzyrea well, a kid more his size, if not slightly older :P 21:24 ebegin Is there any direct download link for .po files ? 21:24 ebegin On pootle, there is a Download link but it points to http://translate.koha-community.org/fr_CA/36/fr-CA-i-staff-t-prog-v-3006000.po/download/ 21:24 ebegin Clicking on it shows the file (location: http://translate.koha-community.org/export/36/fr_CA/fr-CA-i-staff-t-prog-v-3006000.po) 21:26 cait I use thoselinks for download 21:26 cait with wget... most of the time 21:26 cait the link is a bit confusing 21:26 cait if oyu do from the browser saving the page will work 21:27 cait and i think you can download a zip file 21:27 eythian hi 21:27 ebegin Yeah, but I would like to wget the file too, but I have to click the Download link to get the URL. Why the Download link doesn't point to the file directly ? 21:27 cait hi eythian :) 21:28 ebegin hi eythian 21:28 cait ebegin: no idea 21:28 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5604] additional icons for the Seshat set <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5604> 21:28 cait ebegin: I wrote a little bash script to remember the urls for me and download the files 21:28 cait because I found it so annoying :) 21:28 eythian install the 'cliget' addon to firefox 21:28 eythian it gives you a wget command for downloads 21:28 maximep pretty sure wget will follow the redirect 21:30 ebegin maximep, wget the download link works, but it saves it as index.html... :( 21:34 cait ebegin: but you can wget the link you posted earlier 21:34 cait to the po file 21:34 cait that work 21:34 cait s 21:34 cait and the links don't change often - only every major release 21:35 ebegin cait, yes, that's what i'm doing. I just wanted to save some clicks 21:40 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5150] Issuing should read Circulation <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5150> 21:48 Schuster Friendly afternoon pesk back... Any problems in jumping from 3.2 Koha-community to 3.6 or do I need to do the 3.4 in between? 21:49 bg shouldn't be too bad - but you will need to run the remove_items_from_biblios script 21:49 bg and reindex 21:49 bg if IRC the script needed 21:49 Schuster Yep I can see that in the notes etc.. Just wondering thanks. 21:50 wizzyrea I think you mean version 3.2 to 3.6. There is no such thing as koha-community 21:50 wizzyrea there is only koha 21:50 Schuster I actually have done this on a test server that I have and trying to figure out if there is something that I missed. sorry yes Koha. 21:50 wizzyrea we don't recognize LLILS as even the same thing ;) 21:58 Schuster Thanks again for another day! 22:08 aarkerio hi! Can I import MARCXML records in "Staged MARC Records"? 22:18 wizzyrea are there preferences beside "opac mysummary html" and opacnav that allow you to put html in the user account area? 22:19 wizzyrea I suppose I could do this with jquery. 22:19 * wizzyrea will probably go that route 22:47 rangi yeah jquery might be easiest 23:21 bg heya BobB 23:21 bg man I'm getting this error in one of my frameworks - The biblio.biblionumber and biblioitems.biblioitemnumber fields be mapped to a MARC subfield, 23:21 bg both of those should only be mapped to the 999c and the 999d correct? 23:22 BobB That's right, bg 23:22 rangi yeah 23:23 rangi heya BobB, enjoy the conference? 23:23 BobB Hi Chris, I enjoyed it hugely. 23:23 BobB I'm having withdrawals. 23:23 rangi excellent 23:23 rangi well june isnt far away :) 23:23 BobB Were your conferences good too? 23:24 rangi yeah access and kiwicon were fun, lianza was productive 23:24 bg well shoot - it's still saying that and I've got those two mapped in my framework 23:24 BobB I need to get firm dates for Edinburgh. Will have to press slef for that, I guess. 23:26 bg Oh really weird… looking in the mysql database I see two entries for 999 c and 999 d 23:26 rangi its 1-12 june 23:26 rangi so firmer 23:26 rangi :) 23:26 rangi but not quite firm yet 23:26 BobB Its that right? 1-12 June is confirmed? 23:27 bg the second entry has got NULL in the tab, authorised_value etc... 23:27 BobB That's great news. We can travel in late May and save a motza. 23:27 * ibeardslee ponders on a presentation 23:28 rangi bg: hmm that doesnt sound right 23:28 rangi 9:12 < slef> nengard: nearly, sorry! I'm pretty sure it'll be somewhere in the window 1-12 June. 23:28 bg yeah that's really weird 23:29 bg oh well I'll nuke those second entries from the database and let's see what happens 23:29 rangi BobB: ALA is 22nd june, making sure not to clash with that 23:30 bg yup rangi now it passes tests 23:30 BobB bg - maybe just delete them? Nuking sounds a bit severe. :) 23:30 bg heh - ok how about removed that crap 23:31 BobB Cool! 23:31 rangi :) 23:32 libsysguy @Off-topic ok so I need some protips...what can I do with this page: http://lib.uttyler.edu/circulation and those similar to make them look better other than resetting the padding for ul's 23:32 huginn libsysguy: I suck 23:32 libsysguy libsysguy 23:32 wahanui i think libsysguy is Koha's hottest developer or partying with swedes on his deck 23:33 rangi hmm 23:33 libsysguy I was also thinking maybe some alternate link colors 23:34 rangi im hopeless at those kinda things 23:34 bg libsysguy: can you send me your address again.. and do you want hot curry or just normal curry powder 23:34 bg email to brendan@bywatersolutions.com 23:35 libsysguy bg - either is fine but i prefer hot :) 23:35 bg ok you got it - hot curry it is 23:36 bg it's really red looking so I'm sure it's hot 23:36 libsysguy excellent 23:36 bg went to a pretty crazy market to get it… 23:36 libsysguy oh? 23:36 libsysguy so i should be leery? 23:36 bg also went to another market close by - a fish market… that one was gross - I acutally threw up in the middle of the street from the smell 23:36 bg had a bunch of indians staring at me 23:37 bg no libsysguy - you should be all good 23:37 bg it will be hot though - it looks like a lot of cayene pepper in it 23:37 libsysguy haha wow...note to self...stay away from fish markets 23:37 libsysguy *in india* 23:38 libsysguy thanks again bg for picking that up for me 23:39 bg sure thing 23:39 libsysguy and giving up your lunch :p