Time  Nick           Message
23:55 rangi          not that you can really notice on that one, since its a really simple request
23:55 rangi          wizzyrea: i got caching going http://opac.koha.workbuffer.org/cgi-bin/koha/svc/report?id=6
23:54 * ibeardslee   plans to take the stairs as he wanders for lunch
23:50 * rangi        checks the ups is running ok
23:50 rangi          hmm power flicked
23:39 jwagner        I actually had far less trouble understanding the NZ accent than I did with the London accent the first time I went there.  Hope to get back to NZ sometime.
23:27 melia          I also told my parents that they should make a big list of questions to which the answer was six (sucks) to ask when they first met him, but they refused to participate in making fun of the nz accent on first meeting :)
23:26 rangi          hmm i was gonna write another unsung hero on my lunch break, but ive totally forgotten who it was gonna be
23:25 rangi          hehe
23:25 rangi          we just reuse the same word for everything
23:25 melia          rangi: I started saying chups so much while making fun of sam that now I do it by accident most of the time
23:25 rangi          americans remove letters
23:25 rangi          heh
23:25 melia          that's nz for you
23:25 rangi          its one of those can use for pretty much anything words
23:19 talljoy        awesome.  i may use it.
23:19 rangi          and thats your slang lesson for the day :)
23:19 talljoy        chur
23:18 rangi          http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=chur
23:17 rangi          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23a1k4N05Ms
23:17 rangi          another nz band did a nz version of that
23:17 talljoy        yes
23:16 rangi          you remember the old whats up budweiser ads?
23:16 talljoy        that is very funny
23:15 rangi          hehe
23:15 talljoy        where my ghost chips at...
23:15 rangi          put your chips in the air, eat them up like you just dont care
23:14 talljoy        LOL  ghost gun
23:13 rangi          so is the music video
23:13 rangi          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsFlVWqWHlA
23:13 rangi          it is ;)
23:13 melia          that ad is hilarious
23:12 talljoy        nope
23:12 rangi          did i show you the music video that that inspired talljoy ?
23:11 talljoy        ghost chips.  heh
23:07 wizzyrea       HA
23:06 rangi          http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10763849
22:34 rangi          oh yeah whats the background then ?
22:33 jwagner        Quite so.  I know the background of some of your decisions, and your opinions are certainly clear.  So are mine.
22:33 rangi          and i can certainly make my opinions clear
22:33 rangi          i make a decision about who i need to deal with
22:32 jwagner        rangi, whether you like it or not, I am (we are) a member of this community.  I have contributed and continue to contribute.  You may not make a decision about who "belongs" here.
22:28 rangi          and go do your own thing
22:28 rangi          you do your own releases, just leave us alone
22:28 rangi          your company is still trying to trademark Koha in nz
22:28 jwagner        There was no response of any kind.
22:28 rangi          i dont care
22:27 jwagner        And I also know that we repeatedly have offered to work with you on that site.  I had a lengthy conversation with Bob Birchall last year on that subject, in his role as a member of the committee.
22:27 jwagner        Yes, I did.  That's where the presentation lives.  You are welcome to copy it over to the community site if you wish.
22:27 rangi          you know that
22:27 rangi          one of the major whole pile of mess things
22:26 rangi          you linked to koha.org
22:26 jwagner        I don't particularly want to pick a fight, but you seem determined to.  I would point out that I actually answered the original question, which was how to do customizations
22:26 rangi          go right ahead
22:26 rangi          im not RM anymore, if you want to pick a fight, i no longer have shackles
22:14 wizzyrea       oh dear.
22:14 slef           now really biab before I get garotted by S
22:14 slef           I will retire to a safe distance and watch the fireworks.
22:14 rangi          and stupid
22:14 rangi          thats just stuoid
22:13 slef           rangi: bwahahahaha
22:13 rangi          on the koha mailing list
22:13 rangi          a link to koha.org
22:13 slef           Whatever that means. Can we track it? :-/
22:13 rangi          seriously
22:13 slef           Done. Help Case #1414
22:12 eythian        Perhaps include that in your problem report :)
22:12 eythian        I didn't see the alt-text, but yeah, apparently so
22:11 slef           eythian: OIC. So they have the wrong alt text :-/
22:10 eythian        I put it under "Other"
22:10 slef           eythian: "[Report this page or content as spam] Problem?"
22:10 wizzyrea       because it's merging?
22:10 wizzyrea       hm
22:09 eythian        wizzyrea: it'll either work it out for you, or it won't and it'll nag you about it
22:09 wizzyrea       (the git pull will have his patch to fix the change that necessitated the revert, in this scenario)
22:09 eythian        slef: right at the bottom
22:09 wizzyrea       I love wahanui.
22:09 wahanui        anything is possible with enough development work :)
22:09 wizzyrea       anything?
22:09 wizzyrea       ?
22:09 wizzyrea       what happens when I go to do a git pull/
22:08 wizzyrea       in my test system, I reverted the patch
22:08 slef           sorry, biab
22:08 wizzyrea       regarding chris_n's revert and subsequent fix of the deal with label creator
22:08 slef           Does openlibrary have books that aren't duplicated? ;-)
22:08 wizzyrea       out of curiosity
22:07 slef           where's the problem form? 0262560992 is also duplicated, but both have covers
22:03 eythian        OK, sent it in through the "problem" form
22:02 eythian        I can't see any obvious method for flagging things as duplicates
22:01 slef           eythian: this was working for no books, though. Let me go try another.
22:00 eythian        no, I suppose it just hasn't realised they're duplicates.
22:00 slef           eythian: is something broken at openlibrary.org?
22:00 aarkerio       hi! how can I add "Abstract" framework to cataloguing options?
22:00 eythian        so I guess the APIs may do the lookup in a different order.
21:59 eythian        slef: they're the same book
21:59 slef           http://openlibrary.org/books/OL22321034M/Flatland and http://openlibrary.org/books/OL1716091M/Flatland
21:59 wahanui        any ideas are welcome :)
21:59 slef           any ideas?
21:58 slef           books API for ISBN:048627263X returns ID OL22321034M - but the one with that ISBN and the cover is OL1716091M
21:58 eythian        I know that's the case with a prototype API I've been working with
21:57 eythian        (ie. one in the same format that OL knows it as)
21:57 eythian        I wonder if it's requiring an exact ISBN
21:57 rangi          it used to, thats why i was saying, maybe the api has changed
21:57 eythian        hmm
21:57 slef           ISBN:048627263X if you'd like to play along at home
21:57 * slef         hands openlibrary its own backside on a plate
21:56 slef           the covers API does
21:56 slef           the books API doesn't find a cover
21:56 slef           rofl
21:55 cait           lol
21:54 eythian        hi cait, bye cait
21:54 cait           good night all
21:54 slef           xslt sometimes, but bottom line is that you can't trust a browser to run this
21:53 eythian        yeah, that's cause you're using it manipulate a DOM. I'm not convinced it's the best language for that, but it's the only one we have, alas.
21:52 slef           setting src attributes and so on
21:52 slef           yeah, but of this type of code
21:51 * eythian      did a lot of non-browser JS in a past life
21:51 eythian        not at all
21:51 eythian        nope
21:51 slef           which is the only way to run js, isn't it?
21:51 eythian        it's all the browser cruft that's annoying.
21:51 slef           Bloody APL is easier to debug.
21:50 eythian        JS is pretty clean really
21:50 slef           I bloody hate js. Nothing is simple. Function names and callbacks.
21:49 rangi          http://openlibrary.org/dev/docs/api/books
21:49 rangi          yeah
21:49 rangi          i started work on that
21:49 eythian        which'd be good for search results
21:49 eythian        It's for doing batch stuff, iirc?
21:49 rangi          http://openlibrary.org/dev/docs/api/read
21:49 rangi          read api might be even better
21:49 rangi          should be
21:48 eythian        also, it'd be easier to detect and handle the non-existence of a cover with the books API, I'd think.
21:48 * slef         looks for the books api docs
21:48 slef           ah that's a fine explanation
21:48 rangi          becaus the covers one wasnt there
21:48 slef           why?
21:48 rangi          not the covers api
21:48 rangi          yeah its using the books api
21:48 slef           http://covers.openlibrary.org/b/$key/$value-$size.jpg
21:47 slef           http://openlibrary.org/dev/docs/api/covers
21:47 rangi          what docs
21:47 slef           well, that's not what the docs I saw said
21:47 rangi          its there
21:47 rangi          in C4/Auth.pm
21:47 rangi          OpenLibraryCovers            => C4::Context->preference("OpenLibraryCovers"),
21:47 slef           scriptElement.setAttribute("src",            "http://openlibrary.org/api/books?bibkeys=" + escape(bibkeys) +            "&callback=KOHA.OpenLibrary.olCallBack");
21:46 rangi          yeah
21:46 rangi          C4::Auth
21:46 slef           ;-)
21:46 slef           and ewww yuck on it all being js
21:46 slef           or do all templates get all opac* prefs now?
21:45 slef           yeah, I'm not even seeing that
21:45 rangi          the only .pl would be setting the template var to tell it to use it
21:45 slef           rangi: code in a .pl file
21:45 rangi          its all js
21:45 rangi          pl code?
21:44 slef           rangi: I'm struggling to spot the openlibrary cover pl code :-/ where is it?
21:44 eythian        Well, I'll certainly try.
21:43 cait           eythian: so you are coming? yay :)
21:43 rangi          ohh
21:43 slef           cait: we'll know within 2 weeks. A colleague is dithering between a town hall and a lecture theatre.
21:43 eythian        me too, I want to start planning some European stuff.
21:42 cait           and can't wait to write them in my new calendar
21:42 cait           sorry, being curious :)
21:42 cait           any news about the dates?
21:41 slef           hi cait
21:41 cait           hi slef :)
21:40 slef           KOHA.OpenLibrary.GetCoverFromIsbn();
21:39 slef           I checked that ;)
21:39 slef           nafaict
21:39 rangi          maybe the api changed
21:39 rangi          at least when i wrote the initial patch they did
21:38 eythian        I need to get on to finishing up that last ticket.
21:38 rangi          hmm they were working
21:38 * slef         digs into the code
21:38 slef           I've done two 3.6/3.7 installs in the last week and openlibrary covers have not worked on either :-/
21:38 wizzyrea       i haven't had a chance to check yet
21:38 slef           are the covers working for others?
21:37 huginn         slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7152 enhancement, P4, ---, robin, ASSIGNED , Koha should make it easy for librarians to attach covers using Open Library
21:37 huginn         slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6682 trivial, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED , open library is two words
21:37 huginn         slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6625 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Allow Koha to use Openlibrary subject api
21:37 huginn         slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6624 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Allow Koha to use the new read API from OpenLibrary
21:37 slef           @query openlibrary
21:09 jcamins_away   Have a good night, #koha.
21:09 jcamins_away   Time for me to close up here.
20:56 lculber        Sorry. Meant Thanks.
20:55 lculber        matybe that will tell me something.  Thtanks all.
20:55 lculber        I think I'll poke around some more and see if I can find any more patterns that stick out
20:53 lculber        maybe some stray metacharacters?  I just don't know
20:53 rangi          chris_n++
20:53 * chris_n      heads for home
20:52 chris_n        done
20:52 lculber        just that combinaton.  They did a lot of copy cataloging of that group of records
20:51 lculber        jcamins_away:  yes, the data is the same.  At first I thought it was all keywords but not
20:51 wizzyrea       is the test server public?
20:51 wizzyrea       ^^
20:50 jcamins_away   lculber: and the data is exactly the same?
20:50 jcamins_away   lculber: that is very peculiar.
20:50 * wizzyrea     sighs
20:50 wizzyrea       well we can't have a party without oleonard.
20:49 wizzyrea       lets have a party!
20:49 chris_n        I'll submit a follow up patch
20:49 * wizzyrea     throws the confetti
20:49 wizzyrea       WOO for you guys fixing that, seriously
20:49 rangi          chris_n: yay!
20:49 chris_n        label-print.pl passes
20:49 rangi          chris_n: the plan is to add a dir, fix all the complaints, add the next etc
20:49 lculber        wizzyrea: yes, and me possibly.  I did the install.
20:48 wizzyrea       (but not necessarily correct ;))
20:48 * wizzyrea     goes for the obvious
20:48 wizzyrea       (i.e. poorer hardware)
20:48 wizzyrea       "test server" possibly?
20:48 rangi          im slowly adding more
20:48 rangi          chris_n: yeah just add it to dirs
20:48 jcamins_away   Hrm.
20:48 jcamins_away   Ah.
20:48 lculber        jcamins:  okay in 3.4  It is slow on 3.6 test server
20:47 wizzyrea       is that the exact search, school + census?
20:47 jcamins_away   lculber: I just tried that search on your catalog and it didn't seem to take very long.
20:47 chris_n        thanks huginn
20:47 huginn         chris_n: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
20:47 chris_n        @dirs omits labels
20:47 chris_n        rangi: how does one get it to run on @all_koha_dirs?
20:46 wizzyrea       (that's on master)
20:46 wizzyrea       in my data that exact search doesn't cause any problem
20:46 wizzyrea       hmm
20:46 lculber        why would that one combination cause a minute or longer search?
20:45 lculber        all other searches okay. weird.
20:44 lculber        thanks wizzyrea: I have a keyword search for school + census that is slow
20:44 wizzyrea       lculber: go ahead anytime
20:43 rangi          TEST_QA=1 perl t/00-testcritic.t
20:43 rangi          chris_n: easy way to find out
20:43 chris_n        jcamins++
20:43 jcamins_away   chris_n: you mean I got it right? Awesome!
20:43 huginn         oleonard: Quote #145: "Don't ask to ask, just ask!" (added by wizzyrea at 02:37 PM, July 07, 2011)
20:43 oleonard       @quote get 145
20:43 chris_n        there we don't modify $_
20:42 chris_n        @label_ids = map{{label_id => $_}} @label_ids;
20:42 chris_n        @batch_ids = map{{batch_id => $_}} @batch_ids;
20:42 chris_n        rangi: will this make critic happy:
20:42 chris_n        jcamins_away: actually I think you put me on to the "fix" for critic
20:42 lculber        Can someone help think through a weird keyword search issue in 3.6?
20:37 chris_n        but technically we are map(ping) I suppose
20:37 rangi          http://virtualbreath.net/curious/2011/11/09/a-weekend-amongst-hackers/
20:36 chris_n        the really issue is modifying $_
20:36 chris_n        actually, both behave the same here
20:35 jcamins_away   chris_n: so wouldn't it be better to use map { {label_id => $_} } @label_ids (or whatever the syntactically correct version of that is)?
20:35 chris_n        in this case I think we could actually get away with just 'grep{$_ = foo} @bar;
20:34 chris_n        hehe
20:34 rangi          but working and dangerous is better than not working at all :)
20:33 chris_n        right
20:33 rangi          until someone changes the redeclaring bit ;)
20:33 chris_n        but if you were passing the original array around for general consumption, you'd be in trouble
20:33 chris_n        since I am already re-declaring the array, it does not much matter in this case
20:33 jcamins_away   Ah.
20:33 rangi          tricky--
20:33 rangi          but i was trying to be tricky too
20:32 rangi          so i shoulda done a for
20:32 rangi          basically inline modifications causes side effects which can bite you in arse later
20:31 rangi          https://metacpan.org/module/Perl::Critic::Policy::ControlStructures::ProhibitMutatingListFunctions
20:31 chris_n        basically, in an abused sort of way
20:31 jcamins_away   So basically grep is acting as an in-place map?
20:31 rangi          jcamins_away: heres what i was tring to fix, badly
20:31 * wizzyrea     readies the rotting tomatoes
20:30 * chris_n      ducks
20:30 chris_n        but obfuscation is sort of cool
20:29 chris_n        to walk through the array
20:29 rangi          yup
20:29 chris_n        it is probably better form to use a foreach or some such
20:29 jcamins_away   ;)
20:29 jcamins_away   A bit?!?
20:29 chris_n        its a bit obfuscated
20:29 chris_n        its created by the code inside the grep
20:28 rangi          so it wasnt any better
20:28 jcamins_away   I see.
20:28 jcamins_away   Ohh.
20:28 rangi          but my fix broke it :)
20:28 jcamins_away   Uhhh... where did the hash come from?
20:28 rangi          is changing lists inline is frowned upon
20:28 chris_n        the array element then becomes a single-element, anonymous hash
20:28 rangi          basically the problem with the current implementation
20:27 chris_n        that assigns the value of $_ to the hash element 'batch_id' or 'label_id'
20:26 jcamins_away   What I can't figure out is the => thingy.
20:26 chris_n        do you mean what do those greps do?
20:25 jcamins_away   Or what did it do before you reverted it. I can't figure out what on earth the effect of those lines is.
20:24 jcamins_away   chris_n: what does the change you made do?
20:11 aarkerio       thanks
20:09 jcamins_away   aarkerio: and then you'll write your own conversion? Good luck!
20:06 aarkerio       I downloading this: http://bibtexml.sourceforge.net/
20:03 jcamins_away   If you find a good way to convert BibTeX or RIS to MARC, I'd be interested in hearing about it.
20:02 aarkerio       perfect! thanks!
20:02 jcamins_away   In the Tools section.
20:02 jcamins_away   aarkerio: Stage MARC Records.
20:02 aarkerio       mmm, where can I found the "Import" option?
20:00 jcamins_away   You use the Stage MARC Records tool.
20:00 jcamins_away   aarkerio: yes, Koha uses MARC.
20:00 aarkerio       and if I convert can I import it?
19:59 jcamins_away   aarkerio: no, you'd have to convert the BibTeX or EndNote record into MARC first.
19:58 wizzyrea       ah yea
19:57 aarkerio       hi! there is  way to import a Bibtex or an EndNote in Koha?
19:57 chris_n        they are adding a hash element to the array which is non-existent rather than simply modifying an already existing element
19:56 chris_n        the problem is that the offending lines in label-print.pl depend upon modification of $_ to work correctly
19:56 * wizzyrea     just wanted to check
19:55 chris_n        no, that is ok
19:55 trea           hmmm
19:54 wizzyrea       http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commit;h=6bb73a04c4c67e5b14eb209ec56ae6585547c593
19:54 * wizzyrea     wonders about this one too
19:54 chris_n        they need to be corrected for perl critic, but it will take a bit of re-writing
19:53 wizzyrea       ty kindly
19:53 wizzyrea       beautiful :)
19:53 chris_n        wizzyrea: I'm submitting a patch to just revert the lines which break things
19:52 jenkins_koha   chris.nighswonger: Updating Version Number to 3.04.06.000
19:52 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_3.4.x build #58: STILL UNSTABLE in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.4.x/58/
19:51 wizzyrea       or should I just go ahead and file a bug
19:51 wizzyrea       chris_n: you wanna tell paul_p to revert that one?
19:50 jcamins_away   libsysguy: then, yes, I suspect that's what needs to be done.
19:49 druthb1        thanx, everyone.
19:49 trea           take care druthb1, safe travels
19:49 libsysguy      later druthb1
19:49 rangi          cya druthb1
19:49 libsysguy      jcamins_away: clearfix is just a way to clear floats
19:49 wizzyrea       later druthb1
19:48 * druthb1      is gonna get up, and walk around, and try to find some headache pills, maybe....got about an hour left on this layover before boarding.  Might be back today, might be tomorrow before you see me.
19:48 huginn         rangi: The operation succeeded.
19:48 rangi          @later tell paul_p i sent you a patch fo fix the templates not being translatable failing tests
19:47 rangi          :)
19:47 trea           i speak typo :D
19:47 rangi          like they were on 3.5
19:47 rangi          what the hell
19:47 jcamins_away   libsysguy: possibly? I'm not a JS expert, so I don't know what clearfix is.
19:47 rangi          like htey were one 3.5 until 3.6 was released
19:47 trea           good point, rangi
19:47 rangi          trea: the way i think of it, is they are on 3.7
19:46 chris_n        you can just revert commit 607b5449bd
19:46 trea           the perils of living on the bleeding edge
19:46 chris_n        ahh
19:46 trea           sorry, chris_n, terminology fail. we have partners on master with the problem
19:45 libsysguy      so set the display to block then use clearfix?
19:45 wizzyrea       right, only on master
19:45 chris_n        wizzyrea, trea: that did not make it into 3.6.0 fwiw
19:45 jcamins_away   libsysguy: you have to explicitly set it to whatever it's inheriting, maybe?
19:44 jcamins_away   libsysguy: I'm pretty sure.
19:44 libsysguy      i wouldn't have suspected that
19:44 libsysguy      jcamins_away: really?
19:43 wizzyrea       chris_n++ <3 thanks for looking at that
19:43 libsysguy      hi druthb1
19:43 jcamins_away   libsysguy: it's something to do with display.
19:43 * druthb1      waves to libsysguy.
19:43 libsysguy      so I've peen playing around with z-index to no avail
19:43 wizzyrea       oh snap
19:43 libsysguy      but the slider overlays the menu
19:43 chris_n        and zaps it with 'git revert'
19:42 * chris_n      carefully examines rangi's latest fix for label-print.pl
19:42 libsysguy      and some js to do that sliding thing
19:42 aarkerio       need I create an " analytical record"  for each article?
19:42 libsysguy      and i am using superfish to generate the menus
19:42 libsysguy      ok so I have this site http://lib.uttyler.edu/
19:42 wahanui        hmmm... oleonard is the master UI designer of koha or an awesome bug wrangler
19:42 libsysguy      hey oleonard
19:41 oleonard       libsysguy: I can try to help
19:41 aarkerio       I mean, since almost all articles are medical articles I can found them in PubMed and export the XML and the cataloguing them one by one
19:41 * wizzyrea     looks for oleonard
19:41 libsysguy      are there any javascript masters poking around in here
19:41 libsysguy      never gets old
19:40 * wizzyrea     giggles madly
19:40 wahanui        libsysguy is Koha's hottest developer or partying with swedes on his deck
19:40 rangi          hey libsysguy
19:40 libsysguy      hey #Koha
19:38 wizzyrea       were you able to replicate?
19:38 * chris_n      carefully examines wizzrea's label's bug
19:37 cait           you can do that in different ways
19:35 jcamins_away   Yes.
19:34 jcamins_away   aarkerio: you'll have to catalog it yourself. There's no way to "save" data into Koha.
19:34 aarkerio       in cataloguing?
19:34 aarkerio       how can I save a single scientific article in Koha?
19:33 wizzyrea       chris_n++ yay for releases!
19:32 * wizzyrea     puts on her creepy face
19:32 * druthb1      would be lucky to be stalked by wizzyrea
19:32 trea           lol
19:32 druthb1        !
19:32 wizzyrea       it's no secret :P
19:32 oleonard       wizzyrea is secretly stalking you?
19:32 * druthb1      is still looking for the triplet of magnuse and trea.
19:32 druthb1        :P   silly wizzyrea!  just spooky seeing you talking here, and moments later, thinking I saw you walking by.
19:31 wizzyrea       i'm not creepy :)
19:31 wizzyrea       hey i'mno creepy
19:31 rangi          chris_n++
19:31 druthb1        closer inspection showed that she appears to be about 5-10 years older than wizzy...but could be her older sister.  Same basic shape, same face, almost, same hairdo, same sunny smile.  Downright creepy.
19:29 oleonard       That's just a glitch in the Matrix druthb1
19:29 wizzyrea       :)
19:29 * druthb1      must be getting tired...had a double-take just now when someone who looked quite a lot like wizzyrea came walking by.
19:28 jcamins_away   aarkerio: you could enter it in manually.
19:28 aarkerio       I can find the ISSN using z39.50 servers
19:27 aarkerio       mmmm, so, what can I do? just save the ISSN with the volume, year and item number?   no articles data?
19:26 jcamins_away   aarkerio: in that case you are in a very fortunate field. ;)
19:26 aarkerio       jcamins_away, well, I find many of the journals have RSS
19:24 aarkerio       rangi:  ;-)   true!
19:24 jcamins_away   aarkerio: and most journals don't have indexing available anywhere online anyway.
19:23 jcamins_away   It would not be inexpensive, though.
19:23 jcamins_away   aarkerio: not very. If it's something you really wanted, and were willing to pay for, it would be possible to develop something to ingest data from tictocs.
19:22 rangi          not common enough for someone to pay anyone to get it done :)
19:22 aarkerio       I think save journals with all articles data (title, author, date) is a very common request in Koha,   isn't?
19:22 jwagner        But was trying to make it more generic
19:22 jwagner        Correct -- I worked it up for one of my sites which has SFX
19:21 jcamins_away   So unless you have a link resolver, you can't make any use of it.
19:21 jcamins_away   aarkerio: even if the patch were in there, all it does is enable Koha to provide a link to a link resolver.
19:21 aarkerio       mmm, where can I get and install the patch?
19:20 jwagner        no, I did the patch and it didn't apply, I haven't gone back to look at it.  Someone else is welcome to have a go.
19:19 wizzyrea       xercode almost certainly is
19:19 jcamins_away   aarkerio: no, a link resolver is a separate program.
19:19 oleonard       A few on that list look to be running modified templates as well
19:19 aarkerio       jwagner, so, the current Koha actually have a link resolver?
19:18 wizzyrea       the one that lists a kohalibrary.com library as using koha
19:18 cait           jcamins_away: think it was tictocs I was thinking about .)
19:18 cait           hm whichmail are you talking about?
19:16 rangi          oleonard: well, everything they do is lock in .. could have been anything
19:16 wizzyrea       thks :)
19:16 * chris_n      will look at it immediately following the 3.4.6 release
19:16 rangi          theres not a lot in master yet, that isnt in 3.6
19:16 trea           chris_n - it is. we've had several partners report the issue after upgrading to 3.6
19:16 oleonard       rangi: What was that school that was locked into Microsoft because of Silverlight? http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/will-there-be-a-silverlight-6-and-does-it-matter/11180
19:16 rangi          most likely
19:15 wizzyrea       hmmmm that I don't know
19:15 jcamins_away   jwagner: yeah, that's what I had in mind when I suggested a link resolver.
19:15 chris_n        wizzyrea: I'll have to have a look; is it in 3.6 as well?
19:14 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3634 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jwagner, ASSIGNED , Adding OpenURL link to XSLT ISSN/ISBN
19:14 jwagner        aarkerio, there's the work I did in Bug 3634
19:14 wizzyrea       yes sir :(
19:14 jcamins_away   aarkerio: you might be able to get cobble something useful together using tictocs (tictocs.ac.uk).
19:13 jcamins_away   That will enable you to directly search databases that index a given journal.
19:13 chris_n        wizzyrea: ouch... is that in master?
19:12 jcamins_away   aarkerio: something like SFX.
19:12 aarkerio       the RSS of the magazine?
19:12 rangi          so maybe just a really really really old koha
19:12 aarkerio       jcamins_away, 1) thanks for your help, 2) what is a link resolver?
19:12 rangi          verson number reports 3.1.0.39
19:12 jenkins_koha   Starting build 58 for job Koha_3.4.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #50 1 mo. 2 j ago)
19:11 rangi          but maybe it still is
19:11 jcamins_away   aarkerio: you need to use a link resolver.
19:11 rangi          i was just gonna point out, not koha
19:11 cait           we had it in our horizon opacs
19:11 jcamins_away   aarkerio: not in Koha.
19:11 cait           trying to remember the name
19:11 cait           where you could do something like that to serials
19:11 rangi          yeah
19:11 cait           there used to be a web service
19:11 * oleonard     did the original work on the Nyack library, back before the great schism. Still looks the same.
19:11 cait           hmmm
19:10 aarkerio       or some way to list the articles using ISSN?
19:10 jcamins_away   aarkerio: no there is not.
19:10 rangi          on the mailing list
19:10 wizzyrea       hey chris_n - had you noticed this was happening? http://screencast.com/t/hthSz0Uz5
19:10 rangi          who wants to reply to adalid ortiz?
19:10 aarkerio       hi! there is a way to cataloguing a scientific magazine using it ISSN and "pull" (load) the articles in the journal?
19:09 cait           morning all
19:06 aarkerio       buenos d�as!
19:06 trea           morning rangi
19:05 rangi          hi aarkerio and trea
19:02 druthb         hi, rangi.
19:02 rangi          heya druthb :)
19:01 druthb         yep.  at MKE now.
19:00 oleonard-away  Hi druthb, still in transit?
19:00 jcamins_away   \o
18:58 druthb         o/
18:51 cait           chris_n++
18:50 rangi          bbiab
18:50 rangi          my stop
18:49 chris_n        maximep: UTF8++
18:49 maximep        and looks great
18:49 maximep        chris_n: oh nice, your release script even gets my coworker's name right (Frédérick) =)
18:46 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6015 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, henridamien, ASSIGNED , Enhancing the performance test suite
18:46 jenkins_koha   paul.poulain: Revert "Bug 6015 : Improving load_testing"
18:46 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_master build #521: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 h 10 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/521/
18:46 rangi          I can do it easy for the packages
18:46 jcamins_away   Ah well. I wouldn't have time to sign off on it for a while anyway.
18:45 rangi          not in any useful way
18:45 jcamins_away   rangi: did I see that you had made some progress on adding locking to rebuild_zebra?
18:44 rangi          etc
18:44 rangi          build the release notes each time it runs
18:44 rangi          if its scripted jenkins can do it
18:44 chris_n        for some strange reason I feel strongly impelled toward such automation ;-)
18:43 rangi          sweet
18:43 * chris_n      is working toward semi-automating the release process
18:43 rangi          awesomesauce
18:42 chris_n        in the next hour or so unless the sky falls
18:42 rangi          sweet, ready for the release?
18:42 chris_n        you can see the results in the 3.4.x branch latest commit
18:41 rangi          nice!
18:41 chris_n        I hacked up a script to semi-auto-generate release notes
18:41 chris_n        heya rangi
18:41 chris_n        and not on time lately either
18:40 wahanui        it has been said that chris_n is release maintainer for 3.4, and merges things into 3.4.x branch
18:40 rangi          hey chris_n
18:25 rangi          Hehe
18:25 wahanui        I LIKE SPACE AND MY WIFE
18:25 rangi          NateC?
18:25 rangi          hey cait
18:24 cait           hiya rangi
18:22 wahanui        i guess jcamins_away is currently working on fixing a bug. or building packages, which have a number of changes from Master that could never make it into Koha proper (for good reason).
18:22 rangi          heya jcamins_away
18:22 jcamins_away   Good morning, rangi.
18:21 rangi          and yay for 3.4.6
18:20 rangi          should stop 2 tests failing
18:20 rangi          hmmm I sent paul_p a patch to fix the translation errors
18:19 jenkins_koha   * chris.nighswonger: Release Notes for 3.04.06.000
18:19 jenkins_koha   * f.demians: 3.4.6 Translation Update
18:19 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_3.4.x build #57: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 h 22 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.4.x/57/
17:54 Schuster       Great to hang with everyone today thanks...  Have a great day off to an all afternoon meeting!  YUCK.
17:54 NCARLibrary    thx oleonard
17:54 NCARLibrary    holy schnikies! it worked!
17:50 NCARLibrary    trying
17:50 * jcamins_away waits for wahanui to restart.
17:49 wahanui        jcamins_away: that doesn't look right
17:49 jcamins_away   NCARLibrary: change it to ORDER BY cn_sort
17:49 jcamins_away   oleonard: ooh, good call.
17:49 oleonard       Does cn_sort not work with LOC?
17:48 NCARLibrary    meaning it would require lots of savvy coding?
17:48 jcamins_away   NCARLibrary: not without a great deal of effort on your part.
17:48 NCARLibrary    oh well
17:48 * wizzyrea     suspects not.
17:47 wizzyrea       does sql know how to order using LOC?
17:47 NCARLibrary    no way to order using LOC?
17:47 jcamins_away   NCARLibrary: that's just the way it works with reports.
17:47 NCARLibrary    It puts QA871 before QA9
17:46 NCARLibrary    ugh, this reminds me...Koha's ordering default seems to be Dewey.
17:45 NCARLibrary    k
17:44 jcamins_away   NCARLibrary: without the period.
17:44 NCARLibrary    okay
17:44 jcamins_away   At the end add ORDER BY itemcallnumber.
17:42 pastebot       "NCARLibrary" at 128.117.174.128 pasted "Keyword in Public Note" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/112
17:42 NCARLibrary    new question: what code snippet would cause my results to order by callnumber? Here's my code...
17:36 wizzyrea       hrmph.
17:36 cait           jenkins_being_unstable--
17:36 wizzyrea       lol the office at NEKLS just squee'd
17:36 cait           but still unstable :(
17:35 jenkins_koha   Starting build 521 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #491 21 j ago)
17:35 cait           sekjal++
17:35 wizzyrea       sekjal++
17:35 wizzyrea       we can search email now!?!
17:35 wizzyrea       OH
17:35 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5945 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, NEW , can't search patron's email anymore
17:35 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7138 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , Can't print basket group order pdf.
17:35 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6015 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, henridamien, ASSIGNED , Enhancing the performance test suite
17:35 jenkins_koha   * ian.walls: Bug 5945: email not searchable in patron search
17:35 jenkins_koha   * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7138: Can't print basket group order pdf
17:35 jenkins_koha   * henridamien.laurent: Bug 6015 : Improving load_testing
17:35 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_master build #520: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 h 8 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/520/
17:28 NCARLibrary    (works!)
17:26 NCARLibrary    thx
17:26 NCARLibrary    okay. i'll try that.
17:26 jwagner        edveal, welcome in!
17:25 jwagner        NCARLibrary, here:  biblionumber, items.itemcallnumber FROM
17:25 jcamins_away   NCARLibrary: itemcallnumber
17:25 edveal         Hi jwagner
17:24 NCARLibrary    If I wish to also include Call numbers, how and where do I insert that in the code?
17:24 pastebot       "NCARLibrary" at 128.117.174.128 pasted "Keyword in Public Note" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/111
17:24 NCARLibrary    take a look at this:
17:24 NCARLibrary    hey gang. happy wednesday. more SQL reports questions...
17:19 * jcamins_away goes to eat lunch.
17:19 jcamins_away   rhcl_metng: sekjal would be the one to ask, but as far as I know, no progress has been made on integrating it.
17:18 rhcl_metng     what's the status on EDI?
17:14 wizzyrea       oleonard++
17:14 wizzyrea       i look at something on owen's blog at least once a week
17:14 jcamins_away   oleonard: I wasn't going to say that. I was going to let karma speak for me. :P
17:13 oleonard       It's about time!
17:13 jwagner        Hi edveal
17:12 jcamins_away   oleonard++ # for updating his blog
17:03 huginn         New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5280] Fix password field in members.pl so that the password is masked as it is entered <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5280>
17:00 Schuster       Yes they paying for was something we had with our last ILS before Koha and I kept wondering ...  When will that Inventory enhancement come...
17:00 Schuster       Then things happened, and I had to ride the wave to see where we came ashore...  now I'm getting ready to paddle out again...
17:00 oleonard       paying_for_something_youre_not_getting--
16:59 Schuster       The community as a whole was the main reason we selected Koha in the first place over other systems.
16:59 * wizzyrea     is more productive on Koha than I was on LLILS
16:59 wizzyrea       :)
16:58 wizzyrea       we like more productive
16:58 wizzyrea       rangi++ gmcharlt++
16:58 Schuster       Koha continually gets better every day with the things I see.  I hope that once I'm back working with Koha-community I can work on sign offs and be more productive.
16:58 wizzyrea       *nod*
16:58 jcamins_away   And rangi and gmcharlt have liberally shared their knowledge.
16:57 wizzyrea       luckily for you the documentation has gotten a lot better.
16:57 chris_n        off to find food
16:57 chris_n        ok, 3.4.6 later today folks
16:57 jenkins_koha   Starting build 57 for job Koha_3.4.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #50 1 mo. 1 j ago)
16:57 Schuster       I just have to refresh myself on how to conjur git with this laptop to get my patches sent.  Did it once, but it wasn't pretty.
16:57 * chris_n      hopes to get a cron job together to do the update daily or weekly
16:57 wizzyrea       pft, flavor text is unnecessary to generate each time :)
16:56 chris_n        but will update the bugfixes and contributors automatically
16:56 wizzyrea       even so!
16:56 chris_n        well, not 100% automagic, it still uses a template
16:56 Schuster       chris_n++
16:56 jcamins_away   Schuster: excxellent. :)
16:56 wizzyrea       that's awesome!
16:56 wizzyrea       chris_n++!
16:55 Schuster       The local changes?  Yes that was one of the reasons I got this laptop up and running
16:55 jcamins_away   Schuster: if you can get it into 3.8, it'll be there if you use 3.8, and much easier to backport if you use 3.6.
16:55 chris_n        http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=misc/release_notes/release_notes_3_4_6.txt;h=01a10127f885ebe90e0915325aafc3ac97e939aa;hb=96979f5f586d9debf2481a71166f4fee885f8903
16:55 * chris_n      pushes the first auto-generated release notes
16:54 jcamins_away   Schuster: I'd suggest looking at getting those done earlier rather than later.
16:53 Oak            me go now.
16:52 Schuster       There are things I have done locally that when I move back to community I will need to "redo" and see about submitting to community.  I've almost got a mobile web ready to go but it is using the old template system so would have to "redo" it for TT.
16:51 Schuster       Yes... migration path...  I've been able to install squeeze on a laptop and take my existing database and "upgrade" it to 3.6 and it doesn't look like I've lost anything but yet gained funcationality etc...  Granted I have not put it through the ringer yet, just preliminary tests.
16:49 Schuster       So maybe I do nothing and ride this out without the development changes we want to see....  hmmm  that's a thought....
16:49 jcamins_away   Okay, gotcha. But first you need a migration path.
16:49 Schuster       When I move to Koha-community I will have to do something either new servers at that time OR cloud - next summer.
16:48 Schuster       Servers came up fall of 2008.  So Almost 4 years.
16:47 jcamins_away   I thought you said you weren't getting new servers _or_ moving to the cloud?
16:46 Schuster       This all started because I'm looking at some development, but also moving back to community and "do you need new servers or are you going to cloud host it"...
16:46 jcamins_away   Huh... I thought Lenny had been around longer than that.
16:46 Schuster       The mysql lives on a seperate Dell 2590 server.
16:45 Schuster       Yes - I think it will be powerful enough - it is 3 years old Dell Poweredge 2950 quadcore 16 gig ram.
16:45 trea           assuming you have the correct environment variables specified of course
16:45 trea           can anyone foresee the harm in running fines.pl if hasn't been setup in cron yet on a new server?
16:45 jcamins_away   It seems to me that a server running Etch must be quite a few years old.
16:44 jcamins_away   Schuster: also, are you sure your server is powerful enough?
16:44 Schuster       Nope.
16:44 jcamins_away   Schuster: anything other than Koha running on your server?
16:44 Schuster       ok thanks for the suggestion I hadn't looked at that.
16:42 jcamins_away   Bring that list back to #koha and ask if anyone sees any problems.
16:42 jcamins_away   Identify which modules will have different versions when installed via apt.
16:42 jcamins_away   Figure out which of those modules are in Lenny and/or Squeeze.
16:41 jcamins_away   Here's what I'd do: make a list of all the modules installed via CPAN.
16:41 jcamins_away   It's not going to be the Perl core that's the problem. It's going to be the modules.
16:40 Schuster       I hadn't thought about my old version of Koha and its compatability with newer Perl.
16:40 jcamins_away   Schuster: hm.
16:39 Schuster       I'm on 3.2 or so Harley actually.
16:39 Schuster       jcamins_away - glad to hear that...  from what I have read so far all of it looks pretty seamless and pain free.  But you all know me...  I've probably done something that will make it painful!
16:39 jcamins_away   Schuster: I think the problem you're most likely to run into is incompatible versions of Perl modules, since you must be on a pretty old version of Koha?
16:38 Schuster       looking for any and all advice or recommendations as I venture down this road of system upgrades in the next two months.  I may have a few questions as my support company doesn't do OS support just Koha support.
16:38 jcamins_away   Schuster: I've never upgraded Etch->Lenny, but I can tell you the Squeeze upgrade is pretty much painless.
16:37 Schuster       Yeah, the don't touch it as it is working theory wasn't a good one in this situation.
16:36 Schuster       All that said we are looking at self hosting in the future without a support company and coming back to the "true" Koha-Community code next summer.
16:36 francharb      bye all
16:35 Schuster       I'm thinking right before thanksgiving I will upgrade to Lenny..  Then right before Christmas bring me up to Squeeze.
16:35 jcamins_away   Schuster: oh my.
16:35 Schuster       I don't have a "new" box to move this to at this time, so am having to upgrade in place.
16:34 Schuster       Has anyone had problems upgrading their Etch to Lenny and then doing the upgrade to Squeeze?
16:34 Schuster       Ready...  Don't throw anything...  except your hands in the air...  I have not upgraded Debian since the original install so I am still on ETCH.
16:33 Schuster       OK so here is my problem in which I have created myself...  Being self hosted which we have loved for the last 3 years as it allows me to "adjust" as necessary and I have not had any downtime or slowness due to internet - which this year has been a blessing due to changing in our network...
16:33 huginn         New commit(s) kohagit: Revert "Bug 6015 : Improving load_testing" <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=93e597b5ea5fc23c737c6e0e8bb42f763e3125d5> / Bug 5945: email not searchable in patron search <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c3abbedebedd34948b664a4d2a6b34dc4863802d>
16:32 Schuster       heyo...
16:31 oleonard       Hi Schuster
16:27 jenkins_koha   Starting build 520 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #491 21 j ago)
16:26 * oleonard     's patron delete error seems to have been a db problem on his end
16:23 Oak            :)
16:23 kf             !
16:23 kf             bye all"
16:23 kf             :)
16:23 kf             Oak: that's a good idea
16:23 wahanui        it has been said that schema is tracked in git. or found at http://schema.koha-community.org
16:23 oleonard       schema?
16:23 Oak            kf, time to go home, no?
16:23 huginn         New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7138: Can't print basket group order pdf <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7a3dc5102e82bbb4c0c8487a0f128c20d4fe8248> / Bug 6015 : Improving load_testing <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=47d74bb3fb4b564a73c6bfb9e4404a1567b5b8fc>
16:22 kf             :)
16:15 oleonard       Another one: http://i.imgur.com/7PZxR.jpg
16:14 oleonard       Here's my co-worker from 10 years ago: http://i.imgur.com/DgcgX.jpg
16:08 nengard        Coda is working hard with her Daddy today: http://www.flickr.com/photos/nengard/6329355538/in/photostream
16:07 oleonard       Column count doesn't match value count at row 1 at /home/oleonard/kohaclone/C4/Members.pm line 1665
16:07 oleonard       Uh oh, delete patron error
16:06 * oleonard     starts digging
16:06 oleonard       That was the trigger paul_p, thanks
16:05 oleonard       The mandatory are a good thing to check
16:01 NCARLibrary    It works! Thanks peeps.
15:58 jcamins_away   See you in a few hours.
15:57 paul_p         oleonard: do you have any mandatory fields in your setup ? (I don't have) any extended patron attributes ? (I have)
15:57 * druthb       gets ready to board a puddle-jumper to Milwaukee.
15:57 paul_p         oleonard: :(((
15:56 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5280 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Fix password field in members.pl so that the password is masked as it is entered
15:56 * oleonard     still can't reproduce paul_p's error described in bug 5280
15:56 NCARLibrary    okay, standby.
15:55 jwagner        Just chop off your original query after that & use the item.itemnotes part instead
15:55 wizzyrea       see the bit at the top about concat
15:55 jwagner        The earlier syntax you had around your select biblionumber field should work
15:55 jcamins_away   NCARLibrary: yeah, select the hyperlink as in your example.
15:55 druthb         I usually don't, jcamins.  :)
15:55 wahanui        sql report library is, like, at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library
15:55 wizzyrea       sql report library?
15:55 NCARLibrary    A ha! I'm getting results now...but is there a way to make the listed biblionumbers hyperlinked to records/items?
15:54 jcamins_away   But if you don't eat herring, why have it around in danger of rotting?
15:53 druthb         beats letting it rot in place, I suppose.  (I've pickled some once, for someone else, as an experiment...not a regular gig for me.)
15:53 jcamins_away   druthb: then why do you pickle it?
15:51 * druthb       pickles herring, but won't eat it.
15:50 * jwagner      mutters about carmine fishy things....
15:49 NCARLibrary    no, just a string... "MISSING FL inventory"
15:49 jcamins_away   jwagner: that's a red herring. The sample on the wiki uses "lcsh" and "subjects."
15:49 jwagner        Do you have subject terms entered in your itemnotes field?
15:48 jcamins_away   And remember you have to have a % at the beginning and end of your query.
15:48 jcamins_away   SELECT biblionumber FROM items WHERE itemnotes LIKE <<Enter string>>
15:48 NCARLibrary    So what exactly needs to change in my code?
15:47 jcamins_away   NCARLibrary: I agree, you should be using items.itemnotes.
15:47 NCARLibrary    so, rather than lcsh I should use items.itemnotes?
15:44 jwagner        NCARLibrary, if you're wanting the 952z, assuming your system has the standard Koha to MARC mapping it would be easier to query on items.itemnotes.  But I'm not sure what the relationship is to subjects
15:36 NCARLibrary    Actually, if I enter nothing at lcsh prompt I get tons of results.
15:35 NCARLibrary    Can't seem get any results from it.
15:30 pastebot       "NCARLibrary" at 128.117.174.128 pasted "Keyword in public note" (8 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/110
15:27 NCARLibrary    standby...
15:24 huginn         wizzyrea: 1 found: #145: "Don't ask to ask, just ask!"
15:24 wizzyrea       @quote search don't ask to ask
15:24 oleonard       NCARLibrary: What's the report?
15:22 adminacct      guys... a strange request... but where can I grab a copy of the 3.4.5 koha / koha-common deb packs? http://debian.koha-community.org/koha/pool/main/k/koha/ isn't showing me any
15:21 NCARLibrary    i've got a report that i'm almost certain was working fine prior to recent upgrade to 3.4.5
15:20 NCARLibrary    greetings all
15:02 wizzyrea       :(
15:00 * druthb       is *not* to be trifled with right now; she's in an unstable state.
14:55 nengard        heh
14:53 druthb         she actually started to say it--"sir...i mean, ma'am, could you...uhm...."  And I raised an eyebrow, and she said, quickly, "roll your pants leg up a little so I can see the ankle of the prosthetic?"
14:52 * wizzyrea     too
14:52 * oleonard     would fly Druthb Airlines
14:52 druthb         I thought this gal was gonna ask me to take my leg off here at Newark...I was ready to blow my stack, and call the lawyers out of the bullpen, to see if I can own me an airport.
14:50 paul_p         (& I didn't won, was valueless anyway. And there is a new one, that recently made Marseille <=> Mumbai without any trouble !)
14:50 druthb         geez
14:50 paul_p         then they confiscated a laser pointer that has a ton of flying miles on it => I had a similar problem once, in Paris CDG, with a platic fork, that had 1cm dents, and was non-rigid. The guy never wanted to believe it had taken a plane at least 10 times !
14:48 druthb         I bawled on sekjal's shoulder a little after that--this whole business was holding up the line, and everyone was staring at me standing there with no leg.  humiliating.
14:48 magnuse        sounds sensible
14:48 wizzyrea       um yes, probably wise
14:47 druthb         yah, that's unlawful in the US, but when a woman toting a .30 carbine asks me to take my leg off, then I take my leg off.
14:47 wizzyrea       doh
14:47 druthb         I had a great trip *to* mumbai...no friskings, no issues--but the way back has been hell on wheels, beginning with being separated from my party in mumbai ("ladies' line", showing token respect for women...wherein they had me take my leg off to run it through the x-ray.
14:46 wizzyrea       vindictive much, geez. (the TSA, not you)
14:45 druthb         (so she apologized, then they confiscated a laser pointer that has a ton of flying miles on it.  Since I got it for free at a conference about a decade ago, I win, on points.)
14:45 wizzyrea       *big hugs*
14:45 wizzyrea       druthb++
14:45 magnuse        druthb++
14:45 druthb         I finally had to tell the TSA checkpoint supervisor that if one of her people called me "sir" ONE more time, I was going to ask her to summon the airport agent-in-charge, and file an immediate complaint.
14:44 wizzyrea       hrmph
14:44 magnuse        :-(
14:44 druthb         I wonder if bg would pay me as well if I moved to open a Mumbai office of ByWater....  I've been called "sir" more times in four hours in the god-forsaken airport than I was in two WEEKS in Mumbai.
14:43 nengard        what's up druthb?
14:43 oleonard       I hear that's what my 4-year-old has been doing at preschool :|
14:43 * magnuse      holds his hands over his ears
14:43 * druthb       curses like an angry Marine.
14:34 magnuse        especially the northern bits
14:33 magnuse        yup ;-)
14:33 wizzyrea       magnuse: norway is beautiful
14:32 nengard        my sister was features in the local paper: http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/communities/galloway/galloway-woman-makes-art-come-alive-as-statue-table/article_f85b3e98-ddf3-57f1-a76d-a50ef3e0049a.html
14:31 kf             so nice
14:31 kf             oooooh
14:30 * magnuse      looks out of the window http://www.flickr.com/photos/enger/6329142358/
13:50 huginn         nengard: The operation succeeded.
13:50 nengard        @later tell wizzyrea i need to know the secret to editing the documentation page - i edited it in HTML mode and the search engine is broken again - do you have it set so that people without the right permissions can't use scripts? I've had that happen when i taught classes - anyway, can you fix it and tell me how to edit the page in the future so that the search doesn't break?
13:49 nengard        hi oleonard
13:49 nengard        wizzyrea around?
13:49 oleonard       Hi nengard
13:49 paul_p         I slept from 8:30PM to 7:00 AM this morning ! (after previous night in the plane)
13:48 paul_p         kf1: yep !
13:48 kf1            hi paul_p - back home?
13:47 druthb         ah, there...now she arrives....   back shortly.
13:46 paul_p         s/open/opened/
13:45 paul_p         druthb: ah, OK, ticket counter = airport. Was thinking of something like "our customer that is live since 8:30 has still open no tickets" ;-)
13:45 paul_p         hello oleonard
13:44 * druthb       is a grumpy nerd.
13:43 druthb         waiting to re-check my bag for the domestic US flights home
13:43 oleonard       Welcome back paul_p
13:43 paul_p         druthb: ???
13:42 druthb         well, the ticket counter that nominally opens at 8:30...isn't open yet.
13:42 paul_p         kmkale: see ya !
13:42 * kmkale       is going to a remote site for 2 days. So see ya all next week :)
13:25 * druthb       heads to the ticket counter to check in.  back in a bit.
13:08 francharb      thanks kmkale :)
13:07 kmkale         francharb: glad you liked it so much. Let me know if you want to see some movie and can't find it.
13:06 francharb      :)
13:06 * kmkale       can't stop laughing
13:06 francharb      ;)
13:05 francharb      wait, they are all perfect : romance + familly + thriller!!
13:01 * kmkale       is rolling on the floor laughing after taking one look at that list. Thats *SOME* bug!!
12:59 francharb      ok, now, i need to focus on my emails and tests some bugfix!!
12:58 francharb      kmkale, it's maybe worst that you think : here is what i am about to buy : http://www.honestjons.com/shop.php?pid=39352 ;)
12:56 druthb         he did!
12:56 francharb      hehe
12:56 kmkale         OMG francharb you really got the hindi movie bug!!
12:55 francharb      see ya
12:55 francharb      ;)
12:55 francharb      will go back to work?
12:54 francharb      what if, i
12:54 francharb      after Raone, next on my list : yeh saali zindagi, stanley ka dabba and shaitan. they all have good reviews on imdb! :)
12:53 kmkale         yup true!
12:52 francharb      ;)
12:52 francharb      and kmkale, this kind of movies are so unusual for us... how can we cross half of the world and not go to the movies????
12:52 druthb         hehehehee...sekjal and bg and I had a bit here at Newark before splitting up--I went for a plate of nachos, no peppers.  not very breakfasty, but I couldn't find a hamburger at this early hour.
12:51 kmkale         aww! and we made it non spicy especially for you ;)
12:51 francharb      ;)
12:51 * francharb    thinks it will a while before eating spicy food again...
12:50 druthb         :D
12:50 francharb      hi druthb !
12:50 druthb         hi, francharb!
12:50 francharb      :)
12:49 druthb         lol
12:49 kmkale         I hate that stuff
12:49 kmkale         I find it funny that you all like a typical hindi movie
12:49 kmkale         :)
12:48 druthb         I enjoyed it greatly.  sekjal did too, I think; when the lights came up for intermission, he was grinning like a fool.  Yes, the two big song and dance numbers were incredible.    Great action, awe-inspiring CGI and sets.
12:48 kmkale         *like
12:47 kmkale         so how did you oike the song & dance?
12:47 kmkale         heh did you? even francharb said it wasn't too bad.
12:46 druthb         sekjal and I went to a movie Tuesday morning (Mumbai time...), and didn't do anything too strenuous.  Ra One was *awesome*, even if you don't know a lick of Hindi.
12:45 druthb         I'm in pretty good shape, really.  I got several hours on the plane from Mumbai, just not all at once.
12:45 kmkale         *tired too
12:44 kmkale         humph I feel tored just reading all this
12:43 druthb         I wouldn't rest, even if I did lay down.  I find it very hard to sleep in the presence of people that I don't know well.
12:43 kmkale         druthb: no way to lay down and rest somewhere?
12:42 druthb         the ticket counter for my next leg doesn't even open for about 45 minutes, and my flight isn't for a couple of hours.  I figure I'll doodle around the shops here, maybe log on and work on the piles of email.  Then a two hour layover in Milwaukee.
12:39 kmkale         OMG. well take rest you you reach :)
12:38 druthb         bg has three---here to Denver, to LAX, to Santa Barbara.
12:38 druthb         0745 here; I'll be home about 1800
12:38 kmkale         yikes!!
12:38 druthb         I have two flights left; it's about 07
12:38 kmkale         druthb: how long till you reach home?
12:37 druthb         sekjal and I didn't get out of our seats the whole time...slept somewhat fitfully, so I'm a little tired right now.
12:37 kmkale         good.
12:36 druthb         so far, so good.  We got out of Mumbai right on time, landed right on time, 15 weary hours later.
12:36 kmkale         shutup wahanui
12:36 wahanui        kmkale: That doesn't look right. Try 'airport code for CITY' or 'airport name for CODE' instead.
12:36 kmkale         druthb: airport, flight etc all went well?
12:35 druthb         no.   We just landed in Newark a couple of hours ago.  JesseM's parents picked him up, sekjal is on the train headed for Massachusetts, and bg and I are in separate terminals for flights later in the day.
12:33 kmkale         heya druthb back home?
12:32 druthb         o/
11:10 magnuse        bonjour clrh
11:10 clrh           hello all
10:32 Amit_Gupta     heya anandology
08:59 paul_p         Amit_Gupta: yes, but not really available (meeting)
08:51 Amit_Gupta     paul_p around?
08:51 Amit_Gupta     heya paul_p
08:50 francharb      hi Amit_Gupta
08:50 francharb      heh
08:50 wahanui        francharb falls asleep easily at sea.  Don't believe me?  Just ask Brooke.
08:50 Amit_Gupta     heya francharb
08:46 kmkale         wonder how Joann and Brooke are doing in Delhi
08:42 kmkale         heh
08:42 wahanui        kmkale may be psychic.
08:42 kmkale         kmkale?
08:41 kmkale         wow!!
08:41 huginn         kmkale: Karma for "kmkale" has been increased 29 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 29.
08:41 kmkale         @karma kmkale
08:40 francharb      ;)
08:40 francharb      kmkale++
08:40 * kmkale       makes a note of booking tickets for his son
08:40 francharb      yep!
08:39 kmkale         Chammak Challo i believe ;)
08:36 francharb      i also bought the soundtrack! héhé! ;^)
08:35 francharb      great!
08:33 kmkale         heh. How was the song and dance?
08:33 francharb      by the way kmkale, we saw RaOne with joann, brooke and suzanne and it wasn't that bad! ;^)
08:31 kmkale         heya francharb :)
08:30 francharb      ;)
08:30 francharb      0/ kmkale
08:21 kmkale         :))
08:21 eythian_mobile On the last evening, we even saw a bad driver. I didn't think that could happen there :)
08:20 eythian_mobile yes, true
08:20 kmkale         you saw the traffic
08:20 eythian_mobile that may say more about you, perhaps ;)
08:19 kmkale         heh it takes me 30  mins to get from office in thane to home in thane :)
08:19 eythian_mobile I think it took me about 45 minutes, and the traffic wasn't too bad.
08:18 kmkale         OMG!! paul_p thats a new record!!!
08:18 eythian_mobile heh
08:18 paul_p         just for the record : our driver from hotel to airport was *crazy* it took 30mn to do the trip ! 100km/h sometimes !!! I think i've been much less frightened in a rickshaw !
08:18 julian_m       hello eythian, hello #koha
08:17 eythian_mobile hiya julian_m
08:17 julian_m       hi kmkale ;)
08:17 kmkale         hi julian_m :)
08:17 eythian_mobile paul_p: yeah, back at work today
08:17 paul_p         yep
08:17 kmkale         :) so back to work paul_p?
08:17 paul_p         eythian_mobile: so you're back now ?
08:17 paul_p         hi kmkale! yes, everything OK. I had a very very long night last night (8PM=> 7AM !!!), after the small-in-not-null night in the plane.
08:16 kmkale         hi paul_p reached safely?
08:12 asaurat        hi
08:12 eythian_mobile yeah, mine was a bit like that. Noon India time to about 4pm the next day NZ time.
08:11 paul_p         safe travel, everything as expected, very long night (8:30 PM => 7AM !)
08:11 paul_p         hello magnuse & eythian_mobile & all. I'm back home !
08:11 eythian_mobile hi there paul_p
08:10 magnuse        kia ora paul_p
08:04 rangi          not an nz company either
08:03 magnuse        the mind boggles
08:03 rangi          totally licensing cost
08:03 rangi          this was just turning on the marc export option
08:03 magnuse        well it's gotta be good when it's so expensive, as opposed to koha which is free and hence can not be any good!
08:03 rangi          antifeatures .. gotta love them
08:03 rangi          it was to enable a feature
08:02 rangi          that was 6 years ago too
08:02 eythian_mobile apparently, yeah
08:02 magnuse        someone in nz charges that for marc export?
08:01 eythian_mobile magnuse: yeah, that's a reference so I remember to put those things in the final thing :)
07:59 eythian_mobile cool ta
07:59 magnuse        Patches from monks - yay!
07:59 rangi          those ones are kinda fun to talk about
07:59 rangi          http://stats.workbuffer.org/access_2011/html/slide014.html
07:59 magnuse        eythian_mobile: looks interesting. just make sure it's clear that koha doesn't charge NZ$18,000 for MARC export...
07:58 rangi          http://stats.workbuffer.org/access_2011/html/slide013.html
07:58 rangi          eythian_mobile: http://stats.workbuffer.org/access_2011/html/slide012.html
07:57 francharb      hi eythian, how was you flight back?
07:57 eythian_mobile hi there
07:56 francharb      Morning #koha!
07:55 eythian_mobile or really cool examples of some of these things
07:55 eythian_mobile Any suggestions for more things I can include in there, or expand upon more
07:55 eythian_mobile I'm working on a talk about Koha. This is the synopsis: http://ubuntuone.com/2DT93nTTCJOnI21t0E140V and this is the outline I have so far: http://ubuntuone.com/4vyDpqXrp2jgaMfLYyUUuG
07:39 huginn         New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7201] Hold to pull sreport needs extra fields <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7201>
07:38 reiveune       hello
07:36 kmkale         :)
07:34 cait           but will try, pehraps someone else will be faster
07:34 cait           not sure when I will find time for it though
07:34 cait           it sure sounds like a nice feature
07:33 kmkale         cait: can I interest you in signing off this simple patch for 6843?
07:32 Amit_Gupta     heya cait
07:25 cait           :)
07:25 cait           hi alex_a
07:24 alex_a         helloooo
07:23 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6843 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, kmkale, ASSIGNED , Renew membership from expiry date not from current date
07:23 kmkale         bug 6843 ^^ needs signoff ;)
07:21 rangi          hi kmkale
07:20 cait           hi kmkale :)
07:19 magnuse        namaskar kmkale
07:18 kmkale         Namaste cait, magnuse & rangi
07:18 magnuse        hiya cait and #koha
07:18 cait           morning magnuse :)
07:17 huginn         New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6843] Renew membership from expiry date not from current date <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6843>
06:46 cait           evening rangi
06:46 rangi          heya cait
06:40 cait           morning #koha
05:19 Amit_Gupta     ok
05:18 eythian        yeah, got back yesterday afternoon
05:17 Amit_Gupta     eythina: R u in NZ
05:17 Amit_Gupta     heya Robin
04:39 eythian        Hi Amit!
04:39 Amit_Gupta     heya chris
04:35 Judit          :)
04:35 eythian        sorted :)
04:35 huginn         eythian: The operation succeeded.
04:35 eythian        @later tell gmcharlt apparently the staff login for Equinox Software, Inc. (USA) is not working on http://koha-community.org/demo/
04:34 Judit          but that is not bugzilla:)
04:34 Judit          the staff login for Equinox Software, Inc. (USA) is not working
04:34 Judit          and on the http://koha-community.org/demo/
04:34 Judit          okay
04:33 eythian        I'd stick it in bz
04:33 eythian        up to you.
04:33 Judit          or
04:33 Judit          bugzilla? live with it?
04:33 Judit          what shall i do
04:32 eythian        I'm not sure how that can be resolved (short of making a print version of the screen), but I'm not a browser expert.
04:31 eythian        that is pretty distorted, yes
04:30 Judit          :)
04:30 Judit          bywater
04:30 Judit          bywater
04:30 eythian        Judit: we can't see that url because it needs a login
04:26 Judit          the opac search print review has no problem
04:24 Judit          http://intranet.bywatersolutions.com/cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/search.pl?q=the
04:24 Judit          i have searched bugzilla, but no luck ( it doesnt mean it is not there)
04:24 Judit          in the staff client, if you want to print the result of a search, the print review is very distorted
04:23 Judit          hi
03:36 eythian        no worries
03:35 Doug55         thanks to both of you for all your time
03:33 Doug55         I was thinking 100GB HD and 4 GB RAM so it appears that should be sufficient
03:33 eythian        ah well, I guess if stuff needs to be done...
03:33 kmkale         eythian: nope. tons of work pending :(  mucho tired but cant help it
03:32 eythian        kmkale: did you get to take a day or so off to recover?
03:32 eythian        2GB..
03:32 eythian        and @GB+ of RAM
03:31 kmkale         cool.
03:31 eythian        Doug55: hmm, I'd say 20GB min, but the more the merrier.
03:31 eythian        yep, still feeling a bit lagged, but not too bad.
03:31 Doug55         we have 10 schools - total bibs 160,000  any suggestions on memory and HD space to allocate ?
03:31 kmkale         eythian: reached safely?
03:31 kmkale         Namaste eythian
03:30 eythian        kmkale: hola!
03:30 eythian        (and "enough" isn't particularly large, just don't let it get starved)
03:30 kmkale         Namaskaar #koha
03:30 eythian        no, it works fine so long as your disk IO is enough
03:30 Doug55         anyone had any issues running it under vmware ?
03:27 Doug55         thanks
03:27 wizzyrea       really all depends on how you set it up, but yes
03:26 Doug55         I assume koha has the ability to run a union type search where a user can search his/her school catalog as well as the district wide catalog
03:25 wizzyrea       follet is well known and probably a pretty easy migration
03:25 Doug55         we would be coming from a follett circ/catalog plus system with union catalog
03:24 wizzyrea       we've had pretty good luck with them
03:24 eythian        I'd say good, but I'm sure they're listening :)
03:24 Doug55         thanks - we are looking at bywater as a conversion/support company.. any good or bad on them ??
03:20 eythian        I'm sure someone has done it on SLES/OpenSuse though.
03:20 eythian        It'll run, it just may be a bit more work to get it going than on Debian.
03:19 Doug55         question to anyone out there... will koha run on SLES10 or SLES11 or must it be debian
03:07 eythian        (but I don't know for sure)
03:07 eythian        I wouldn't be surprised to find so.
03:06 wizzyrea       is brooke currently travelling?
02:47 eythian        💩
02:42 huginn         New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 2830] Hold not removed when "trapped" item on hold shelf is checked out to a different patron in the holds queue <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2830>
02:33 buster         Hi.
02:18 huginn         New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7198] overdue report does not display patron name if firstname and/or surname are null <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7198>
01:44 wizzyrea       that video is funny
01:36 huginn         eythian: The operation succeeded.
01:36 eythian        @later tell jransom this is what your computer is doing now you've reinstalled: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xm7oor