Time Nick Message 01:23 libsysguy1 anybody around that can maybe give me a brief rundown of the accountlines table? 01:23 rangi theres a website for that 01:24 jcamins It's evil. 01:24 libsysguy1 well it is less about the structure 01:24 rangi http://schema.koha-community.org/tables/accountlines.html 01:24 libsysguy1 cursed schema page :p 01:24 libsysguy1 the breakdown of charges is in that table right? 01:25 libsysguy1 so if I have two overdue books there would be two tuples? 01:27 rangi yes 01:28 libsysguy1 ok thanks rangi++ 01:29 libsysguy1 seen slef 01:29 wahanui slef was last seen on #koha 1 days, 6 hours, 55 minutes and 53 seconds ago, saying: biab [Mon Oct 10 18:32:02 2011] 01:29 libsysguy1 so who knows if slef is a play on words for $self 01:29 rangi its a typo of self 01:29 rangi that stuck 01:29 libsysguy1 i knew it!! 01:29 rangi :) 01:30 libsysguy1 i keep making that typo when i am writing my OOPerl stuff 03:27 Amit_Gupta heya all 03:27 Amit_Gupta heya chris gm 03:27 rangi hi Amit_Gupta 03:47 jransom heya Amit 03:58 Amit_Gupta heya jransom 03:58 Amit_Gupta on which date r u coming to india? 03:59 eythian Apparently my visa will be arriving tomorrow. 04:15 jransom I got my travel documents today 04:15 jransom I get there on the 22nd October 04:15 jransom and leave on the 12th 04:16 jransom ethian: my visa took weeks to get 04:17 eythian I sent mine on the 26th, they put it in the post today. 04:17 eythian so, a bit over 2 weeks. 04:31 Amit_Gupta hmm 04:31 Amit_Gupta heya eythian 04:32 eythian hello 05:08 cait morning #koha 05:08 Oak Guten Tag cait 05:08 cait hi Oak 05:08 Oak kia ora #koha 05:09 eythian cait: you're up late. 05:09 cait lol 05:09 cait I can never make you happy, can I? 05:10 eythian nope :D 05:10 cait thought so hehe 05:10 * wizzyrea readies the slapping trout 05:10 cait ? 05:11 wizzyrea never mind 05:12 rangi hi cait and wizzyrea 05:12 rangi and oak 05:12 * wizzyrea waves 05:12 Oak oh hello rangi 05:12 rangi late night wizzyrea ? 05:12 wizzyrea yes and no - it's by choice 05:12 wizzyrea stupid glitch. 05:12 cait lol 05:12 cait stupid glitch 05:13 cait and hi rangi 05:14 Amit_Gupta heya cait 05:14 cait hi Amit_Gupta 05:15 Oak cait, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhJQp-q1Y1s 05:15 cait lol 05:16 Oak :) 05:16 Oak now you know 05:16 Oak next time wizzyrea readies the slapping trout, get your helmet! 05:16 cait I think it was not for me 05:16 cait wizzyrea? 05:16 wahanui I LIKE BAO or all about the resluts 05:17 wizzyrea nope 05:17 wizzyrea resluts. 05:17 cait :) 05:17 wizzyrea mhm 05:17 Oak oh well 05:27 rangi hmm 05:27 cait eythian: 6199? 05:32 eythian cait: yep 05:32 cait glad you finally believed me :P 05:33 eythian it was working for me the whole time, but I think maybe there'd been a change somewhere that upset it, and you were on a newer version (or something like that.) 05:34 cait but you found the problem? 05:35 eythian yeah 05:35 cait cool :) 05:36 eythian someone had added stuff that modified the record (stripping the item details) when it needed them later when it attempted to readd them. 05:39 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6199] Allow bulkmarcimport to blank duplicate barcodes rather than skipping items <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6199> / [Bug 7008] Sometimes zebra needs a tmp directory that it doesn't create itself <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7008> 05:42 eythian sweet, first draft of a soon-to-be-Koha-library migration from Liberty completed in about 3 days. 05:42 cait :) 05:42 eythian (most of which was dealing with crazy character set issues.) 05:42 cait sounds pretty normal 05:42 eythian yep 05:43 eythian the data had ligatures in it, defined by control characters. 05:43 eythian which is super-crazy. 05:43 eythian they weren't normal ligatures like � either 05:44 eythian but ones you use typesetting, like making 'fi' one character. 05:48 cait ok? 05:48 cait that sounds a bit weird 05:50 eythian it is a lot weird. 05:50 eythian My assumption is that they copy-pasted content from a PDF, which does that sort of thing. 05:50 cait hm 05:50 cait perhaps 05:51 eythian I hate our internal DNS management tool, I very nearly deleted an entire company domain when I intended to just delete a subdomain. 05:52 Oak hm, detective cait and detective eythian working on a case. cool :) 05:52 cait lol 05:52 Oak :^) 06:07 Amit_Gupta heya laurence 06:07 laurence hi Amit_Gupta 06:11 cait hmpf 06:11 cait Can't use string ("1") as a HASH ref while "strict refs" in use at /home/katrin/kohaclone/acqui/booksellers.pl line 118. 06:11 cait it doesn't like the change ian suggests 06:12 cait $loggedinuser->{'flags'} & 1 06:14 cait ok, I see it 06:14 cait never mind 06:17 eythian happy to help. 06:19 cait eythian: 06:19 cait you still can help 06:19 cait because it's still not working 06:19 cait got past the perl error 06:19 cait but it's still not showing me all baskets when I am a superlibraian 06:20 eythian what's the bug number? 06:20 cait 6390 06:20 cait I changed the superlibrarian line ot 06:20 cait if ($userenv->{'flags'} & '1' || 06:21 eythian what line number/file? 06:21 Amit_Gupta hdl around 06:21 Amit_Gupta ?? 06:22 ropuch Morning #koha 06:23 Amit_Gupta heya ropuch 06:23 eythian cait: also, no need for '' around the 1 (although it shouldn't hurt, but it might) 06:23 eythian cait: and I'd bracket defensively there 06:24 eythian so, if (($userenv->{'flags'} & 1) || 06:26 cait ah 06:26 cait the '' are not there, sorry 06:26 cait eythian: basket.pl 06:26 cait patch attached to bug 06:27 cait defensively? 06:27 ropuch cait: still strugling with superlibrarian check? 06:27 cait yep 06:27 eythian cait: there are two patches on that bug, and neither touches basket.pl 06:27 ropuch Any success? 06:30 cait oh yes 06:30 cait bookseller.pl... 06:30 cait sorry 06:30 cait running around, getting ready for work 06:30 cait and the second patch 06:31 eythian I would expect & 1 to return true if the flag indicates the person is a superlibrarian 06:32 cait but it doesn't :( 06:32 cait I have set the sys pref to 'only baskets created by this user' 06:32 cait and the user has superlibrarian rights 06:32 cait but still not all baskets show up 06:32 cait only the user's 06:32 reiveune hello 06:33 eythian cait: perhaps throw 'warn's in where you expect the code to go, and see where it's going and what values it has 06:33 cait http://paste.koha-community.org/74 06:34 Oak magnuse 06:34 eythian that's some terrible code really 06:34 Oak hello reiveune 06:35 eythian a 5-line if condition is never going to be debuggable. 06:35 cait I know 06:35 rangi id do a warn $userenv->{'flags'}; 06:35 rangi before the if 06:36 eythian yeah, it's a good place to start 06:36 eythian I'd be inclined to split that if into multiple parts. 06:36 cait eythian: feel free to improve it 06:36 magnuse Oak 06:36 eythian cait: feel free to write my kohacon talk ;) 06:36 cait :P 06:37 magnuse kia ora #koha 06:38 reiveune hi Oak, cait, magnuse, everybody 06:38 cait hi reiveune and magnuse 06:39 magnuse bonjour reiveune and cait et al 06:42 cait eythian: thx for looking at it :) 06:43 cait eythian: and I know it's ugly - but only saying it's ugly is not helpful :) 06:43 eythian well, if you split it into parts, then you debug each part of it separately. 06:43 eythian which is helpful :) 06:44 cait eythian: I can do that 06:44 cait but the other parts work 06:44 cait it's really only the superlibrarian part that's broken 06:44 cait the sysprefs overwrite it, because it's never 0 06:44 cait um 1 06:45 eythian you're not testing if it's one, you testing if it's an odd number. 06:45 eythian which means that the superlibrarian bit is set 06:46 eythian which is what & 1 does, it just gives you bit number 1, and if its set it's true 06:46 eythian that explanation was a little too sbstract perhaps 06:46 rangi :) 06:46 rangi in summary, it tests for odd number 06:46 alex_a hello 06:47 eythian but, I'd start by printing out the flags. 06:47 rangi yeah it was even 06:47 rangi 261886 06:47 eythian oh right 06:47 eythian yeah, so not a superlibrarian 06:47 eythian no cape. 06:47 rangi which i think is caused if you have more than superlibrarian set 06:47 eythian noo, shouldn't be 06:47 rangi hmm 06:48 * eythian isn't testing this right now, so take it with a grain of salt 06:48 rangi yep its easy to test 06:48 eythian but, if superlib is set, it should always be odd. 06:48 rangi warn it 06:48 eythian I think 06:48 eythian Unless bit 1 isn't superlib, in which case the whole & 1 thing is wrong anyway 06:48 eythian I think haspermissions should understand superlibrarians. 06:49 eythian It's silly for every bit of code to have to check 06:49 rangi yeah 06:49 Amit_Gupta any body try koha with solr 06:50 Oak i hv nt Amit_Gupta 06:51 Amit_Gupta hi Oak 06:51 Oak :) hi 06:52 * eythian mosies along 06:53 julian_m hello! 06:53 cait eythian: I think it did once, there is code like that, only it does not work 06:55 cait permission_system-- 06:55 cait grrr 06:55 cait will be back 07:07 Amit_Gupta hi hdl 07:09 francharb hello all 07:10 rangi hi hdl and francharb 07:15 kf hi #koha 07:15 kf hi hdl 07:16 asaurat1 hi 07:18 Amit_Gupta heya kf ;) 07:18 hdl hi all 07:20 kf hi Amit_Gupta ;) 07:21 rangi hi adrien_s 07:21 kf hi adrien_s :) 07:21 adrien_s guten morgen :D 08:16 clrh hello 08:17 kf hi claire 08:33 rangi paul_p: http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/5771983/France-to-cede-final-jersey-rights-to-All-Blacks 08:34 paul_p rangi: OK, we let you the black shirt, you let us the cup. Sounds a reasonable deal ? :D 08:34 rangi hehe 08:34 rangi gotta get past wales first 08:35 rangi :) 08:35 paul_p yep. And you will have to get past your aussies friends 08:35 rangi im glad they won 08:35 rangi easier to beat them than south africa 08:35 rangi quade cooper cant tackle 08:35 rangi they only have 14 defenders :) 08:36 paul_p how to register a quote ? 08:36 paul_p I want to register "i'm glad Australia won" !!!! 08:36 rangi hehe 08:36 rangi well out of australia and south africa 08:36 rangi or australia and england 08:36 rangi i will choose australia 08:36 rangi in rugby 08:37 rangi in cricket, i will choose sa, and england 08:37 paul_p too late, you said "i'm glad australia won". I heard it! ;-) 08:37 rangi yep, cos they are easier to beat :) 08:39 adrien_s England is easy to beat in cricket games ?! they must be sad about it :) 08:40 adrien_s India won the last commonwealth games if I remember well, but I didn't notice how England got out of this 08:40 rangi no they are actually playing well 08:40 rangi in cricket 08:40 rangi australia are easier for nz to beat in rugby, than sa are 08:41 rangi both are hard to beat in cricket 08:41 rangi http://www.espncricinfo.com/rankings/content/page/211271.html 08:41 mtj hiya pholks 08:42 mtj paul_p: we are staying in vihang-inn too 08:42 paul_p KohaCon attendies will fill vihang-inn... (only 32 rooms) 08:43 paul_p (hi mtj) 08:43 mtj looks like their wifi may get a little 'stress-testing'... :p 08:43 mtj ... and then we get stress-tested too 08:44 adrien_s will you guys learn a few hindi words ? ;P 08:45 paul_p adrien_s: you want to give us some lessons ? 08:45 paul_p (did adrien_s introduce himself here ? He's the new support guy at BibLibre) 08:46 adrien_s we talked a little bit about Germany =) 08:48 adrien_s First and last hindi lesson : 08:48 adrien_s I'm thirsty = mujhe pyaas lagi hai 08:48 adrien_s I'm hungry = mujhe bhook lagi hai 08:48 adrien_s I guess it's impossible to pronounce correctly for us, so you may die before getting a glass of water 08:50 Oak staff in hotel will understand English I think :) 08:51 mtj hi adrien :) 08:51 Oak water = pani 08:52 Oak thirst = pyaas 08:52 Oak thirsty = pyasaa 08:54 Oak Thank you = Shookriya 08:54 Oak :) 08:54 Oak i'll stop now 09:04 * paul_p switches to "QAing bugzilla patches" mode... 09:05 kf @later tell wizzyrea: the layout on the paid for support page for Busara Core Solutions is a bit broken, can you take a look? :) 09:05 huginn kf: The operation succeeded. 09:06 kf paul_p: have a second? 09:06 paul_p kf: yep 09:06 kf I sigend off on 6292 but there is a follow up from sophie I have no test plan for 09:06 kf and not sure what it's supposed to fix 09:06 kf could you perhaps take a look? 09:08 Amit_Gupta hdl there 09:08 Amit_Gupta hdl around? 09:22 paul_p kf: sophie_m is around, the best would be to ask here... Isn't the comment 13 enough ? (the test plan could be "have different overdues that would trigger different level of notice. Before the patch you get more than one letter, after the patch you just get a letter of the longest odue level, with all odues listed" 09:23 rangi hmm but thats not what comment 13 says 09:23 rangi Several letters where generated if a borrower had overdues with different 09:23 rangi due_date triggering the same level 09:24 rangi it says the same level of notice, not a different one 09:24 kf paul_p: I tested it for that- for me it worked without the follow-up 09:24 kf I am not sure which case the follow-up covers that didn't came up by testing 09:25 kf and triggering the same level with different due_dates is mathematically not possible - not as long as the overdues don't care about holidays 09:25 hdl Amit_Gupta: ? 09:48 kf sophie_m? 09:48 wahanui sophie_m is around, the best would be to ask here... Isn't the comment 13 enough ? (the test plan could be "have different overdues that would trigger different level of notice. Before the patch you get more than one letter, after the patch you just get a letter of the longest odue level, with all odues listed" 09:48 kf forget sophie_m wahanui 09:48 kf wahanui: forget sophie_m 09:48 wahanui kf: I forgot sophie_m 09:49 sophie_m kf ? 09:49 wahanui kf is, like, cait or really, really sweet. or <reply>she gives me memory loss 09:49 kf paul_p said to ask you about bug 6292 09:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6292 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , Overdue notices have a bug when multiple overdues exist 09:49 kf I was not able to find a test case for your follow-up 09:49 kf I would really like to see this go into 3.6 09:50 kf it's a great improvement 10:17 sophie_m kf : the test case if : 10:17 sophie_m you trigger level 1 after 10 days, leverl 2 after 20 and level 3 after 30 10:19 sophie_m if a borrower has 2 books with overdue , one with 11 days and one with 15 for example 10:19 sophie_m without the followup, two level1 letters where générated 1 for the first document and one for the second 10:20 kf hm 10:20 kf I don't understand that I think 10:20 sophie_m with the patch, only one letter is generated, listing both documents 10:20 kf because I think no notice shoul be generated at all 10:20 kf in this case 10:20 kf perhaps I am using the overdues differently? 10:21 kf are you using the overdues script with -t? 10:22 sophie_m arghh, this is when -t parameter is not used 10:23 kf ok 10:23 kf can you give me an example to use without -t on the bug? 10:23 kf how to specify the 10, 20 and 30 days limits? 10:27 kf hm I think I understand now 10:27 kf I will test it 10:28 sophie_m Admin>Tools>Overdue notice/status triggers 10:29 kf I didn't know it would still use the triggers without -t 10:29 kf I misunderstood the documentation 10:29 kf I will try it 10:29 sophie_m Should this followup be part of another bug then ? 10:30 kf I think it's ok, I will test it as soon as I can 10:30 kf does teh problem exist without the follow up too? 10:30 kf in that case we could ask paul to qa on the first and the second can go in a little later 10:31 kf I am leaving for lunch - will be back a little later 10:35 Amit_Gupta heya kf 10:35 Amit_Gupta hdl around? 10:36 adrien_s "Today's fish is trout à la creme !" ... Bon appetit ! 11:01 kf back 11:18 hdl Amit_Gupta: ? 11:18 kf adrien_s: was Cordon Bleu - but I doubt it was really french cuisine 11:23 magnuse see ya later #koha 11:40 sophie_m kf : the followup fixes a problem that cannot occur with -t parameter 11:41 oakivil Hello #Koha. It looks like I need to modify the bulkauthimport.pl to include my custom Authorities type INDEX_TERM, copying auth field 653. I am getting a 11:41 oakivil Field 653 must have indicators (use ' ' for empty indicators) at /usr/share/perl5/MARC/File/SAX.pm line 92 11:41 oakivil -error even if I define indicators as ind1="" ind2="" to Marc21XML file, even with indicator values as 1, it gives the very same error. 11:46 oakivil I fixed the problem by adding a subfield I forgot to add 11:47 oakivil Still unsure where the bulkauthimport.pl will put my authorities with only a leader field and field 653$a defined. 11:52 kf oakivil: still around? 11:52 oakivil yes 11:52 kf thre is a line you will want to add to the import program 11:52 oakivil ok 11:52 kf hm I wonder 11:52 oakivil I think I can figure it out 11:52 kf have you tried bulkmarcimport with -a switch? 11:52 oakivil already took a peek at it and thats why I ask. To not use false workflows 11:52 oakivil nope 11:53 oakivil where should the authorities go in the database? 11:53 kf I think the table is auth_header 11:53 kf or something like that 11:53 wahanui i heard something like that was sticking in nengard's mind 11:53 kf forget something like that 11:53 wahanui kf: I forgot something like that 11:53 oakivil ;) 11:54 kf ok 11:54 kf at the moment 11:54 kf I think there are 2 scripts you can use to import authorities 11:54 kf bulkmarcimport with -a and bulkauthimport 11:54 kf the options both scripts provide are different 11:54 kf when i had looked at custom auth frameworks 11:55 kf I thought that adding a line to abulkauthimport for the new 1xx field should be enough 11:55 kf to make it work 11:55 kf see here: 11:55 kf http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=misc/migration_tools/bulkauthimport.pl;h=2709db91c9d7e851ea306814aaf646feb14d427d;hb=HEAD 11:55 kf line 118ff 11:55 kf the script finds out which framework to use by looking at the main heading in 1xx 11:56 oakivil well I want to add Subject words to field 653 11:56 kf yep 11:56 oakivil like general descriptive words 11:56 kf I know 11:56 nengard is anyone here able to tell me how to get email working on my VM? I'd like to test owen's patron update email, but my system doesn't send email cause i never set it up 11:56 kf but why 653 and using authlrities? 11:56 kf 653 is uncontrolled 11:56 kf that means no authority linking intended 11:57 oakivil well because it seems like the easiest step to display Koha authorities functionality 11:57 kf nengard: I can't tell you how :( but my coworker fixed it for me - can offer to try testing this tonight 11:57 oakivil and because I couldnt find a generic enough field from 1xx 11:57 kf oakivil: I would use another 6xx field 11:57 kf than 653 11:57 kf what kind of subjects do you want to put in there? 11:58 oakivil every kind of subjects 11:58 kf hm 11:58 oakivil I have a 29000 word large vocabulary 11:58 oakivil unsorted by anything 11:58 kf a 69x field would be better perhaps 11:58 kf if you want to link to authorieis 11:59 kf you can use the 653 - but I would leave that open for real uncontrolled subjects 11:59 jcamins_away I would use 650. 11:59 kf or that 11:59 kf jcamins_away: the problem is, he has authorities for those 11:59 jcamins_away kf: that's a good thing. 11:59 kf if you want to keep them searate 11:59 oakivil Marc21 fields re different when i look at the authorities documentation than in the bibliographic documentation 11:59 kf you will want to use another field 11:59 kf oakivil: that's right 11:59 jcamins_away @marc 650 2 11:59 huginn jcamins_away: Source of heading or term Code from: MARC Code Lists for Relators, Sources, Description Conventions 11:59 jcamins_away ^^ use 650$2 11:59 kf jcamins_away: perhaps you are right 12:00 kf yep 12:00 kf to specify the source 12:00 oakivil but in koha i should have the authorities fields the same as in bibliographics? 12:00 jcamins oakivil: the last two digits should be the same. 12:00 kf the question is - does koha copy $2 over using the plugin? 12:00 jcamins kf: that's a good question! 12:00 kf oakivil: different frameworks :) 12:00 kf the main heading from 1xx in the authority fiel will be copied to 6xx in the bibliographic file 12:00 nengard thanks kf, testing is good, but i do want to get email working so I'll wait for a few more people to wake up over here and ask again :) 12:01 kf nengard: :) I understand you, that's why I made one of my coworkers sit down with me last week 12:01 kf so happy it works now 12:01 oakivil yes the import script does the matching 12:01 jcamins Hrm. I can't find the code for the plugin. 12:01 kf hm not the matching 12:01 kf actually 12:01 wahanui actually is relevant to perl, that's a definite thing going for it, too. 12:01 kf forget actually 12:01 wahanui kf: I forgot actually 12:01 kf the import script puts the authorities into a table in your database 12:02 kf totally separate from bibliographic records 12:02 oakivil so what if I just added a clause to the import script to put these field 653's to the custom Authorities framework 12:02 kf and you can link them together 12:02 oakivil and forget about any marc hassle 12:02 oakivil what is the most proper field etc. I am just lookign for a quick hack anyway :D demo is on friday 12:02 kf that should work I think 12:02 kf i think I would use a 69x 12:02 kf but basically it should work like you want it to work 12:03 kf you only have to know it willo not establish the links 12:03 kf between your records 12:03 oakivil yeah 12:03 kf that it will only do if the pk of your auth-header table and $9 in the records match 12:03 kf and the script will not do that 12:03 kf you should ask jared about linking authorities to bibs... 12:03 oakivil I need to dig into the xml parsing module anyway because the xml variant uses different names for authorities frameworks 12:03 kf but he might explode or something 12:03 jcamins It's not really possible, sorry. 12:03 kf no 12:04 kf but if you give it the right data to begin with, it works 12:04 jcamins By all means, try running link_authority_records_to_bibs.pl (or whatever the script is), but don't expect it to work terribly well. 12:04 oakivil hmm 12:04 kf oakivil: one working way is 12:05 kf oakivil: have ids for your authorities in 001 in authority, and the matching number in 6xx $9 12:05 kf then it will establish the link 12:05 kf without running any scripts 12:05 kf because all information is there 12:05 kf that it needs 12:05 kf if you can't provide those fields, there is a script, but as jcamins says there are some problems wtih it 12:06 oakivil you mean in the biblios 6xx $9? 12:06 kf yep 12:06 kf if that matches the 001 and auth_header pk thing it will link 12:07 jcamins kf's plan is good. :) 12:08 oakivil but if i just add these authorities, then modify by hand the Books marc framework to use my custom authority list for field 653$a. 12:08 oakivil Then I modify existing biblios by adding 653-fields to them. 12:09 oakivil do i still need to define the authorities 001 field? 12:09 kf if you do it all by hand it will work too 12:09 oakivil great 12:09 kf the auth plugin ill take care 12:09 kf the other things we talked about are migration problems mostly 12:09 kf cataloging from scratch should be ok 12:09 oakivil but now I also know how to import authorities together with the biblios 12:10 oakivil and how to define the linking. ATM the authorities are embedded to the marcdata 12:10 jcamins oakivil: if you just add the text in the 653, your authorities won't actually be linked. 12:10 kf no 12:11 kf you have to go into marc bibiographic frameworks 12:11 kf and link it to your auth framework, the $a field I think 12:11 kf hope that works without more work 12:11 oakivil thats my plan 12:11 oakivil well thanks a lot guys again 12:11 kf :) 12:11 oakivil or galls 12:11 oakivil you never know... 12:11 * kf crosses fingers 12:11 kf hehe 12:11 * kf is katrin 12:36 gboisson hi all 12:36 gboisson i'm having a problem on koha 3.6, with tabs in Administration Set Library Checkin and Transfer Policy 12:37 gboisson i've reproduced the bug in a couple instances here 12:37 gboisson but not in the demos on the koha community portal 12:37 oleonard branch_transfer_limits.pl ? 12:37 gboisson i would like to know if anyone else has experienced that problem before 12:37 gboisson yes 12:38 gboisson tabs are not functionnal 12:38 gboisson and generate a javascript error when clicked 12:38 oleonard gboisson: I submitted a fix for something on that page recently, I wonder if you have it 12:39 gboisson i see, that could be the reason 12:39 kf I think it has been pushed, but not sure 12:39 gboisson oleonard: where can i check this fix ? 12:39 kf I had tested oleonard's patch 12:39 oleonard Bug 6842 12:39 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6842 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Branch transfer limits broken 12:40 oleonard It has been pushed, commit 377f174b0674b009945036c3ac3724378e12e9c5 12:40 gboisson hmm i saw this one but my problem is different 12:42 * oleonard doesn't have any problem with the version in master 12:43 kf gboisson: are you looking at the english templates? 12:43 gboisson i have the problem in both english and french 12:45 gboisson for instance if i have two ccodes books and cds, instead of having one table for books showing up, and the other accessible through tabs 12:45 gboisson all the tables show up 12:46 gboisson and tabs are non functionnal 12:46 oleonard What's the JS error? 12:47 gboisson $("#DEPtable").tablesorter({wodgets:["zebra"], sortList: [[0, 0]],headers: {1: {sorter: flase}}}).tablesorterPager is not a function 12:48 gboisson on line 401 12:49 oleonard gboisson: That suggests to me that the version you're looking at is different from master 12:50 oleonard gboisson: The tables are now sorted by class, not ID: $(".sorted").tablesorter 12:51 gboisson ok i'll have a look in this direction then 12:51 gboisson thanks! 12:58 paul_p gboisson: & oleonard & kf : the sandbox gaetan is working on is not uptodate (2 weeks old ?) 12:59 kf that can be the reason I think 12:59 paul_p (has gboisson introduced himself ? It's our new project manager, like Francois Charbonnier & Stéphane Delaye) 12:59 kf it's not that long since it was fixed 12:59 kf welcome gboisson then :) 13:01 gboisson true, i spoke with kf last week but didn't really introduce myself here... 13:01 gboisson i have started working for biblibre just one week ago ! 13:01 gboisson :) 13:02 kf :) 13:03 kf gboisson: don't be afraid to ask questions :) we will try to help 13:03 kf @marc 260 13:03 huginn kf: Information relating to the publication, printing, distribution, issue, release, or production of a work. (Repeatable) [a,b,c,e,f,g,3,6,8] 13:03 kf @marc260$a 13:03 huginn kf: I suck 13:03 kf @marc 260 a 13:03 huginn kf: Place of publication, distribution, etc. May contain the abbreviation [S.l.] when the place is unknown. (Repeatable) 13:04 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6996] Encoding problem in opac-showmarc <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6996> 13:15 jcamins Does bug 7010 make sense to people? 13:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7010 enhancement, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW , Select all records from search 13:15 jcamins I mean, the language, not the feature. 13:16 oleonard Makes sense, but if you try to add too many items to a cart things will go wrong. Cookie size limit I think. 13:16 * oleonard should file a bug for that 13:16 jcamins Okay, I didn't *really* care about the cart anyway. Just lists. 13:16 jcamins :) 13:17 jcamins Good thing, I guess. 13:17 oleonard You'll have to figure out how to limit the option to just the lists then, since the controls are linked 13:17 jcamins Yeah. 13:17 jcamins How many items can you have in the cart? 13:18 jcamins I'm thinking if it's too many, have the OPAC alert the user. 13:18 oleonard I'll have to test again... it probably depends on the length of the biblionumbers rather than the number of items 13:18 oleonard ...if it really is a cookie size limit. 13:19 jcamins 4000 characters. 13:19 jcamins Probably is. 13:19 oleonard jcamins: In fact I discovered the bug when I was doing a task which could have used your suggested feature! 13:19 oleonard I wanted to add all the results of my search to a list :) 13:20 oleonard I was doing it via the cart because adding to the cart is faster 13:20 jcamins Oh, eep! 13:20 jcamins That's not 4000 bytes per cookie, that's 4000 bytes per domain. 13:21 oleonard http://www.nczonline.net/blog/2008/05/17/browser-cookie-restrictions/ 13:23 jcamins I admit I didn't really expect anyone else was ever going to want bug 7010. Kind of cool that you could've used it. ;) 13:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7010 enhancement, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW , Select all records from search 13:28 jcamins Do we use YUI's cookie handling stuff? 13:31 jcamins How do I print data to the console? 13:34 oleonard console.log( foo ); 13:34 jcamins Thanks. 13:34 oleonard jcamins: We use a jquery plugin for cookie handling in some places. In some (older) places we do it manually 13:35 jcamins If you report the cart length limit bug, I'll fix it. 13:35 oleonard Oh yeah, what do you have in mind? 13:35 jcamins "You have tried to add too many items to your cart." 13:35 jcamins So, I guess it's not quite fixing it, more preventing it completely breaking your session. 13:36 oleonard It's the best we can do since it's a browser limitation 13:37 jcamins Exactly. 13:37 sekjal does anyone else have an opinion on bug 5459, before I mark it? 13:37 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5459 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , merging records loses holds from one 13:38 oleonard sekjal: Only that it's seems obvious to me why a patron would have holds placed on both books: There's a waiting list on both and they don't know which will arrive first! 13:39 jcamins Gee... it sure takes a while to get your cookie up to the maximum length. 13:39 oleonard jcamins: Yeah, I've been editing them directly just now using a dump of biblionumbers from my database 13:40 jcamins Good idea. 13:40 * oleonard uses Firefox's Web Developer Toolbar for this 13:42 oleonard Bug 7011 13:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7011 normal, P5, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED , Warn the user that they have reached the limit of how many items they can have in their cart 13:43 jcamins Thanks. 13:44 oleonard Display of the cart is a tad slow when it has 1000+ titles in it :) 13:47 * oleonard roots for Bug 5898 13:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5898 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , search to hold feature not clearing 13:53 jcamins Okay... why is it displaying the wrong message? 13:53 sekjal oleonard: 5898 passed 13:54 jcamins It keeps on reporting "No item was added to your cart (already in your cart)!" when it should be using my new message. 13:57 oleonard jcamins: Did you stroke its hair gently and whisper in its ear? 13:57 rhcl uhhh, I'm in the wrong place 13:58 kf lol 14:02 jcamins val.length is undefined. 14:03 * jcamins gives up. 14:03 jcamins Well, it seemed like something I could easily fix. 14:04 jcamins Oh, I bet I know what I have to do. 14:05 jcamins I have to turn an integer into a string. 14:05 jcamins Weakly_typed_languages-- 14:05 oleonard That has tripped me up before 14:06 jcamins Okay, now it works. 14:10 jcamins For me, anyway. 14:10 maximep paul_p: replied to bug 6879. If I attach the patch to 6414, will it have to be signed off again ? 14:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6879 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, pelletiermaxime, ASSIGNED , Actual price should show correctly on order line and basket summary 14:10 jcamins Adding records is boring. 14:11 kf maximep: I hope not :) 14:11 paul_p hi maximep. Not necessarily. it depends on the nature of the change. In this case no 14:12 paul_p if the QA request just a few changes, a few doc,... usually, it's not needed. Sometimes the QA or RM request a new signoff, but not the most common case 14:13 maximep do I attach the signed off patch or my original? 14:14 paul_p maximep: the signed-off please 14:15 paul_p (but you'll have to amend it to update the 1st description line with the correct patch number) 14:16 * chris_n wishes he had a nickel for every time FF told him how embarrassed it was for having crashed :-( 14:17 kf hehe 14:17 wizzyrea you'd have at least dinner at a fancy restaurant? 14:20 oleonard On my Mac it's, "What did you do to make Firefox crash? Oh, you tried to quit Firefox? Why would you do that?" 14:21 gboisson oleonard:kf: i have an explanation for the problem i encountered: autorized values cannot contain spaces (or accents, or unusual characters) 14:21 maximep FF hasn't crashed for me in at least 6 months =) 14:22 oleonard gboisson: We need to add server-and client-side validation for that 14:23 gboisson yes that would be good :) 14:23 gboisson i'll file a bug for this 14:23 gboisson or is there already one? 14:23 jcamins Nope, doesn't work, after all. 14:24 jcamins It insists on giving an error that the record was already added. 14:24 paul_p sekjal: I see you're QAing. How do you choose what you QA, as i'm QAing too, and that would be bad to QA the same patches. 14:25 paul_p me = sorted by Sev, and going from worst to lowest. http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?regetlastlist=13133 14:25 sekjal paul_p: QAing what comes to my attention first, either by email update or by request in channel 14:25 alex_a oleonard: why both server and client validation ? 14:26 paul_p sekjal: OK, then I'll announce here what i'm working on & pls do the same to avoid duplicate effort. OK ? 14:26 * paul_p QAing 6253 14:26 oleonard alex_a: Client-side for speed (don't wait for the page to reload) and server-side as a fallback. 14:27 jcamins Ohhh. 14:28 jcamins Nope, no idea. 14:28 alex_a oleonard: ok 14:28 jcamins Well, that's more time than I should've spent on this. 14:28 jcamins oleonard: would you like me to e-mail you the patch I have that works randomly? 14:29 oleonard Randomly? :) 14:29 * oleonard would be happy to test 14:29 jcamins Yeah. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. 14:29 jcamins Clearly it's buggy, but I haven't the foggiest where. 14:32 jcamins What's particularly baffling is the way that it does work occasionally. 14:43 chris_n wizzyrea: yeah, probably a five-star restaurant at that 14:52 paul_p sekjal: could you validate 6278 pls (should require just a minute) 14:52 * paul_p QAing 6885 (sekjal) 14:53 jcamins sekjal: when you get a chance, could you take a look at bug 5528 14:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5528 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, tajoli, ASSIGNED , Analytical records support 14:53 oleonard jcamins: Strange, I'm getting an "already in your cart" error when I know it's not 14:54 oleonard No idea if it's related... 14:54 jcamins oleonard: yes, that's the problem. 14:54 sekjal jcamins and paul_p: will look at all those reports, yes 14:54 jcamins Once you fill up the cookie, that's the error you get. 14:54 oleonard Oh, okay 14:54 * oleonard missed that part 14:54 jcamins Except every so often, you get the right error. 15:00 sekjal oleonard: do you have any tips on how I could get the "more searches" menu on the OPAC to break out of the dropdown and back into a plain, always-visible menu block? 15:05 oakivil Hello #Koha again! I was able to import Marc21XML-Authorities to a custom Authorities type INDEX_TERM on field 653. Trouble is that I cannot find my authorities from the authorities module. 15:05 oakivil Zebra is running and I can see it trying to look with the keywords I type to Authorities module. Zebra is also indexed after some fuss which required me to delete the locks in koha-dev/var/zebra -folder. 15:05 oakivil Do i need to modify Zebra indexing rules to index field 653? 15:05 oleonard sekjal: $("#furtherm").attr("class","").attr("style",""); 15:06 jcamins oakivil: you can't import MARCXML authorities. Only in binary MARC format, as far as I know. 15:06 kf can someone help me with regex? 15:06 kf I want to remove ,[] from a string 15:06 kf in perl 15:06 sekjal thanks, oleonard! 15:07 oakivil well the script said 29000 authorities imported just fine, and i can see them in the database 15:07 oakivil koha.auth_header -table 15:08 jcamins oakivil: oh, interesting. Then I have no idea what's wrong. 15:08 oakivil jcamins: It will be a lot of trouble to convert XML to binary 15:08 alex_a kf: s/(\[|\])//g; 15:09 alex_a $your_string =~ s/(\[|\])//g; 15:10 jcamins oakivil: well, if it imported successfully, clearly I was mistaken. 15:10 kf great, thx! 15:11 oakivil jcamins: I have no idea whether or not the Zebra indexed properly 15:12 oakivil no errors thrown 15:12 kf alex_a++ 15:12 kf works :) 15:12 kf oakivil: only searching is the problem? 15:13 kf oakivil: have you zebra indexing with -a ? 15:13 kf oakivil: ah, in which field is your main heading in the authorities? 15:14 kf perhaps this is not indexed 15:14 kf hm, although I think it should be, it might be not 15:14 alex_a kf: :) 15:18 kf alex_a: I need to remove trailing spaces and ; too... can you give me another hint? 15:18 kf I have this now, removes , too s/(\[|\],)//g; 15:21 alex_a kf: ; at the end of a line ? 15:21 sekjal paul_p: 6278 passed 15:21 reiveune bye 15:22 jcamins kf: you need to put a vertical bar before the , and then add |; after the comma. 15:24 alex_a kf: try s/(;|\s{+})$//g 15:24 alex_a and s/(\[|\]|,)//g; 15:24 jcamins Oh, oops, missed the end of line bit. 15:26 oakivil kf: zebra indexed with -a. 15:26 oakivil what is a main heading? This is the format of the imported data: 15:26 oakivil <record format="FINMARC" type="Bibliographic"> 15:26 oakivil <leader> nz a22 o 4500</leader> 15:26 oakivil <datafield tag="653" ind1="" ind2=""> 15:26 oakivil <subfield code="a">suometsät</subfield> 15:26 oakivil </datafield> 15:26 oakivil </record> 15:26 oakivil Sorry for the pastebin. 15:27 oakivil format is wrong 15:33 oleonard jcamins: If I output the contents of the array created by valCookie.split("/") it outputs "undefined" for items above index 1021 15:33 kf oakivil: hm should be in 100 in your authority 15:33 kf not 6xx 15:33 oleonard ...but I don't know what it means. 15:33 kf ah, that's the bibliographic - ignoreme 15:33 oakivil damn no its authority 15:33 jcamins oleonard: oh, tht's weird. 15:34 oakivil damn i didnt change those types or formats 15:34 jcamins oleonard: I ran into problems long before that, too. 15:34 kf alex_a: it doesn't like that much 15:34 jcamins I guess you have short-ish biblionumbers? 15:34 oleonard The list I'm using starts at 1 15:34 oakivil kf: bot in the database it made no difference 15:35 kf alex_a++ now it works :) 15:35 kf thx a lot :) 15:37 oakivil kf: authority field 100 is imported into the Personal Name Authority type 15:38 oakivil i modified the import script to put 653 to the custom INDEX_TERM Authority type using field 653 15:38 kf yeah 15:38 kf but that's not what it should do 15:38 kf 1xx for authority, 6xx for bibliographic 15:38 jcamins oleonard: I have no idea what to make of the problem with split, but I guess that's the problem. 15:38 oakivil ok 15:38 oakivil but it wont fix the zebra issue or will it? 15:38 jcamins oakivil: it will help the Zebra issue. 15:38 oakivil ok 15:39 oakivil so any 1xx field will do? 15:39 kf I have to leave - will be back later as cait 15:39 jcamins However, I have no idea whether you'll have to rewrite the Zebra configuration. 15:39 jcamins oakivil: no, it *must* be the 1xx field that matches the 6xx field you're using. 15:39 oakivil I think I'll take a look in the Zebra config 15:39 jcamins So, 153. 15:39 oakivil ah ok 15:39 jcamins I'm not sure that's valid, though. 15:39 oakivil now i got it 15:39 jcamins I would definitely still strongly recommend that you consider using 650/150. 15:40 oakivil Topical Term? 15:40 kf yeah 15:40 oakivil what is that? 15:40 oakivil I can do that tho 15:40 oakivil for testing sake 15:40 kf ep 15:40 kf yep 15:40 kf in authority the main heading goes into 150 then, in your bibliographic files it will end up in 650 15:40 kf now I am leaving :) 15:40 kf bye all 15:40 oakivil ok 15:41 jcamins oakivil: topical term is a general subject. 15:41 sekjal oakivil: are you still aiming to create a new Authority Type? 15:41 jcamins oakivil: it's not that you can't do things with 653, but if you don't understand MARC (and I'm guessing you don't really understand it), you're probably better off using something that's already configured. 15:42 oakivil I am not a Marc-pro thats for sure 15:42 oakivil No idea 15:42 oakivil Actually no one in our library knows marc21 that well 15:42 jcamins Yeah, you'll probably be happier using 650. 15:43 oakivil but i dont know the FinMARC we are using either 15:43 jcamins It won't make any practical difference, other than you won't have to rewrite everything. 15:43 oakivil ok 15:43 jcamins oakivil: You're using FINMARC? 15:44 oakivil yes 15:44 jcamins I have some... not-so-good news, if the data you're using is FINMARC. 15:44 jcamins Ignore everything we said, FINMARC is quite different from MARC21. 15:44 oakivil I mean in our library we use FinMarc 15:44 * jcamins just looked it up. 15:44 jcamins You'll need to do an entire new framework, with different indexing configurations, etc. 15:44 oakivil but the Authority stuff is just made up from a RDF/XML type national vocabulary 15:45 oakivil we are converting FinMarc to Marc21 15:45 jcamins Oh, that's good. 15:45 jcamins In that case, I still recommend 650. 15:45 oakivil actually I already did that according to a national committees established conversion rules using the USEMARCON-program 15:45 oakivil yup, importing, indexing 15:46 jcamins Okay, carry on. Use 650, because it'll be less painful. :) 15:46 oakivil for sure I will take the least painfull path 15:46 oakivil but it is nice that I am finally starting to understand this Koha system 15:49 oakivil Can you tell me how can I add a new sms service provider? 15:49 oakivil I have their interface specs and it is such a simple interface, no brainer. 15:50 oakivil Is there any documentation about the sms:ing module? 15:50 sekjal jcamins & paul_p: QAing bug 5528 15:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5528 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, tajoli, ASSIGNED , Analytical records support 15:50 jcamins Woohoo! 15:50 jcamins sekjal++ 15:50 paul_p sekjal: & jcamins QAing 6912 15:51 oakivil +1 15:51 paul_p (should be quickly done) 15:51 jcamins oakivil: I have no idea, sorry. 15:52 jcamins bug 6912 15:52 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6912 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, ASSIGNED , OPAC display crashes for analytical biblio without 008 field 15:52 oakivil ok got Zebra working 15:52 oakivil thanks a million again 15:54 oleonard jcamins: Not a breakthrough, but a head-smacking step forward: We were checking valCookie.length instead of arrayRecords.length when looping over arrayRecords! 15:54 jcamins Ah. 15:54 jcamins At least that wasn't my fault. ;) 15:56 sekjal 5528 passed (wehoo!) 15:58 wizzyrea did I hear someone say there were ubuntu packages? 15:58 jcamins wizzyrea: I've been using the packages at debian.koha-community.org, but there are also "launchpad" packages. 15:59 jcamins (I've been using the Debian packages on Ubuntu) 15:59 wizzyrea oh i SEE 15:59 wizzyrea those work ok? 15:59 jcamins I don't know what launchpad packages are. 15:59 jcamins No problems yet. :) 15:59 wizzyrea the debian ones on ubuntu I mean 15:59 jcamins Right. 15:59 jcamins The Debian ones work fine. 15:59 wizzyrea dependencies are installed and all that jazz 15:59 jcamins Unless you're on Ubuntu 10.04. 15:59 jcamins Bit of manual work then. 15:59 wizzyrea ah 16:00 * wizzyrea is 16:00 jcamins Speaking of which, aren't we due for a new LTS release? 16:00 wizzyrea I don't mind manual work 16:00 jcamins There's a wiki page which is accurate. 16:00 wizzyrea koha on lucid using koha packages? 16:00 jcamins Though my Puppet configuration is somewhat superior. 16:00 jcamins Yup. 16:00 wizzyrea kool 16:00 wizzyrea I was just looking at that 16:00 jcamins Lemme pastebin my Puppet config. 16:01 wizzyrea oo 16:01 wizzyrea yes, plz 16:02 pastebot "jcamins" at 74.73.18.99 pasted "wizzyrea: Puppet config for Koha (note that it requires other modules)" (165 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/75 16:03 wizzyrea aha 16:04 wizzyrea ty 16:04 jcamins you're welcome. 16:08 paul_p WAing 6942 (sekjal) 16:11 clrh_ bybye 16:12 sekjal lunch then appointment; back in a bit 16:12 cait hi again #koha 16:17 oleonard jcamins: It works on the detail page because the function for adding a single record can complete with your error message 16:18 oleonard jcamins: It fails on the search results page because the function for adding multiple records only knows one error--the duplicate item error. 16:18 jcamins oleonard: oh, I guess I'm too distracted to notice that there are obvious patterns for when it works and when it doesn't. 16:25 oleonard jcamins: I'll look at it again tomorrow if you haven't gotten inspired before then. 16:25 jcamins oleonard: it's unlikely. Thanks for looking. 16:25 * oleonard is leaving early 16:32 wizzyrea jcamins++ thanks for the help 16:32 jcamins wizzyrea: you're very welcome. 16:42 paul_p it's time to go back home for me. See you tomorrow #koha ! 16:43 cait bye paul_p 16:43 cait have a nice evening 16:50 wizzyrea lulz 16:50 wizzyrea wish me luck 16:50 wizzyrea We are upgrading from Koha 3.00.00.107 to 3.05.00.011, you must update your database 16:50 wizzyrea ya think? 16:53 jcamins Yikes! 16:54 wizzyrea :) but it worked 16:55 Oak good luck 17:01 wizzyrea should I be worried about a ton of 17:01 wizzyrea Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Biblio.pm line 2841. 17:01 wizzyrea when running the 3.4 update? 17:03 wizzyrea i haven't seen this particular thing before 17:12 rhcl [off]I wish somebody would port apt-get to Windows (at least as long as I have to work with Windows) 17:18 gmcharlt [off] rhcl shouldn't be too hard, especially since only one specific subcommand is really necessary - 'apt-get install linux' ;) 17:23 jcamins [off] gmcharlt: two. Also `apt-get remove windows` 17:23 gmcharlt [off] jcamins: good point 17:26 jcamins There are about fifty gazillion mysql modules for puppet. Does anyone know which I should use? 17:53 chris_n [off] so would 'apt-get remove windows' result in a stone-throwing session? 17:57 bg trea http://ticket.bywatersolutions.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2505 17:57 huginn 04Bug 2505: major, P1, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , enable Perl warnings in all modules and scripts 17:57 bg whoops wrong window :) 17:58 * bg feels silly :P 18:01 * collum has a tendency to type in VI commands into irc. It hasn't worked, yet. 18:03 * jcamins occasionally writes "/me" in e-mails. 18:04 wizzyrea bg: at least it wasn't the password 18:04 bg oh you want the password 18:04 bg it's gmcharlt 18:04 wizzyrea keke 18:04 rangi trea can fix bug 2505 while he is at it 18:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2505 major, P1, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , enable Perl warnings in all modules and scripts 18:04 rangi :) 18:05 bg yeah I'm always using vi commands in email or anything we're I need to type into ( :wq ) !!! heh 18:05 rangi i do 18:06 rangi but thats because i use mutt with vim as its editor to write emails 18:06 gmcharlt it's bg! 18:06 rangi :) 18:06 wizzyrea it's gmcharlt! 18:06 wizzyrea speaking of gmcharlt 18:06 wizzyrea should I be worried about this 18:06 wizzyrea Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Biblio.pm line 2841. 18:06 gmcharlt wizzyrea: master? 18:06 wahanui master is probably for 3.6 18:06 wizzyrea when running the 3.4 remove items from biblioitems 18:07 wizzyrea it's the dev packages 18:07 * gmcharlt takes a look 18:07 wizzyrea it seems to happen on every bib 18:08 wizzyrea I did koha-upgrade-to-3.4 18:08 gmcharlt wizzyrea: you should be very, very, very worried 18:08 wizzyrea oh dear 18:08 gmcharlt since it means you have NoZebra turned on 18:08 wizzyrea hah 18:08 wizzyrea ok 18:08 * wizzyrea can fix that 18:09 wizzyrea i forgot that I was moving this from a nozebra to a zebra 18:09 wizzyrea ty >.< 18:09 bg such a cute face there wizzyrea 18:09 wizzyrea oh hey 18:09 wizzyrea that works a lot better >.> 18:10 wizzyrea gmcharlt++ 18:11 wizzyrea someone buy eythian and liw lunch or something, packages = the bomb diggle. 18:16 rangi ok gotta go make breakfast for the kids 18:16 rangi bbiab 18:16 jcamins Bomb diggle... that sounds like a mole that uses explosives. :) 18:19 wizzyrea hee 18:19 wizzyrea wow, this library has more items than I thought 18:20 * wizzyrea is glad I didn't make them recatalog them all 18:20 jcamins Was that option on the table? Yikes! You're scary! 18:21 wizzyrea not really 18:21 wizzyrea lesson kids: almost anything is surmountable if you have good and proven backups. 18:21 wizzyrea the worst part of this was finding a dang machine to put it on 18:22 jcamins proven_backups++ # nothing worse than relying on a backup you've never tested. 99.95% chance it'll be corrupted. 18:27 Oak me go now. good night \o 18:41 libsysguy hey #Koha 18:46 libsysguy sekjal you around 18:47 libsysguy @later tell sekjal I'd like to talk about notices when you get some time 18:47 huginn libsysguy: The operation succeeded. 18:56 rangi back 18:57 * cait waves 18:58 bg hi back 18:59 rangi :) 19:03 sekjal back, as well 19:03 jcamins Huh. 19:04 jcamins I stand corrected. 19:04 jcamins chris_n++ 19:05 chris_n hmm... 19:05 chris_n the proof of the pudding is in the crust as they say 19:05 chris_n I'm not sure alt will work in the present state of things 19:06 chris_n but I "think" that is what was intended back in days of yore when the code was first created 19:08 chris_n I think the problem may come with the template code which assumes all columns on a sheet of labels are the same dimension 19:10 * chris_n examines the lsl04 template 19:10 rangi ok my stop 19:11 cait lsl04? 19:11 cait edi? 19:11 wahanui edi is something weve been wanting too 19:11 cait forget edi 19:11 wahanui cait: I forgot edi 19:11 chris_n ed? 19:11 chris_n ops 19:11 cait seems all I do today is making wahanui forget things 19:11 chris_n man, can't spell today :P 19:11 cait ah, there is a vendor called lsl 19:11 chris_n gaylord labels 19:12 cait makes sense 19:12 cait chris_n = talking about labels :) 19:14 chris_n yup, just as I suspected 19:14 chris_n the template code will need modification to allow variations in the size of columns 19:15 * chris_n encounters a buffer overrun error while attempting to assign time to his schedule for such a modification 19:18 rangi back 19:19 chris_n wb rangi 19:20 rangi thanks 19:21 chris_n hmm... using an xml description of the template specs would allow for a lot greater flexibility in accommodating varieties of templates 19:29 * chris_n opens bug 7015 to keep track of this idea 19:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7015 enhancement, P5, ---, cnighswonger, NEW , Fixup Template Code to Accommodate More Variety of Label Styles 19:32 jcamins Ooh, I should congratulate Melissa Hofmann. 19:33 rangi oh? 19:33 jcamins Yeah, she just got a publication! http://www.ala.org/ala/mgrps/divs/lita/publications/ital/29/3/yang.pdf 19:33 rangi oh thats an old one 19:33 rangi 2010 19:33 * jcamins hasn't read it yet. 19:33 jcamins Wait. 19:34 rangi at least im pretty sure it is 19:34 jcamins This does seem a bit familiar. 19:34 rangi yeah i think its the quite badly done one im afraid :( 19:34 rangi if its the voyager compared one im thinking og 19:34 rangi f 19:35 jcamins Oh, ouch. 19:35 jcamins Not a single Koha catalog represented. 19:36 rangi yeah exactly 19:37 rangi In Koha’s and Evergreen’s advanced search, 19:37 rangi however, the terms are ANDed only, a fact that is not at 19:37 rangi all obvious to the user. In the demo OPACs examined, 19:37 rangi there is no option to choose OR or NOT between rows, 19:37 rangi nor is there any indication that the search is ANDed 19:37 rangi not true for either Koha or evergreen 19:37 rangi i remember dan scott pointed out a lot of the flaws for evergreen in a blog post 19:38 rangi evergreen also has rss feeds 19:38 rangi etc 19:38 jcamins Yeah... if you look at the dates of the study, it becomes clear... their data was three years old. 19:39 rangi *nod* 19:39 rhcl whois melissa hofmann 19:39 rangi http://coffeecode.net/archives/234-Responding-to-the-Evergreen-research-article-in-Information-Technology-and-Libraries.html 19:39 jcamins She was one of the catalogers at my undergrad institution. 19:39 rangi oh look i commented on that blog too 19:41 libsysguy @random....how hard would it be to push the url variables from a current search into the advanced search if a user navigated there? 19:41 huginn libsysguy: I suck 19:41 wizzyrea http://play.aadl.org/ 19:41 libsysguy huginn replies to @random? 19:41 huginn libsysguy: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready 19:41 jcamins libsysguy: what do you mean? 19:41 cait hm 19:41 cait remembering the last search 19:41 cait I would like that 19:41 libsysguy basically pre-populate the advanced search form 19:41 jcamins You mean, populating the advanced search boxes? 19:42 libsysguy yeah like what cait said 19:42 libsysguy just a random thought 19:42 jcamins It'd be easy. 19:42 libsysguy I thought it would be 19:42 jcamins libsysguy++ # for volunteering to have Koha remember searches. 19:42 cait my automatic translation program does a good job, eh? ;) 19:42 libsysguy hehe cait 19:43 libsysguy well we could either stash searches in the session or in the url 19:43 libsysguy either way would be easy 19:43 libsysguy i've done it using catalyst but im sure it wouldn't be too much different with the Koha base 19:44 * jcamins is inclined to say that session is preferable. 19:44 libsysguy tis...that way it keeps the url clean 19:46 chris_n 10 days and counting 19:46 chris_n the topic bar needs a count-down timer to release day 19:49 slef so add one 19:49 libsysguy ^^ 19:49 chris_n well... that would be one other thing to keep up with 19:49 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7016] CanBookBeReserved uses GetItemsInfo unnecessarily <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7016> 19:50 chris_n I was rather thinking of an automated one 20:06 mle : ) 20:09 rangi hi mle 20:10 mle hey rangi 20:10 mle how are you? 20:11 rangi good thanks, frantically trying to finish a presentation, and deal with a release in 9ish days 20:11 rangi hows you? 20:11 mle tired, but happy. on the train. dealing with the loud people talking ON THE PHONE. ;) 20:11 rangi jcamins: 5528 passed qa 20:11 jcamins Woohoo! 20:11 rangi im doing checks on it this morning 20:12 rangi barring any suprises 20:12 jcamins Yippee! 20:12 jcamins rangi++ 20:12 rangi it will get pushed sometime today 20:12 jcamins Very good news. 20:20 gmcharlt @arewethereyet 20:20 huginn gmcharlt: YES! 20:20 gmcharlt liar 20:20 wizzyrea woohoo! 20:20 rangi better not be 20:21 wizzyrea oh. 20:21 rangi i still havent finished my presentation 20:21 gmcharlt let's try this again 20:21 gmcharlt @arewethereyet 20:21 huginn gmcharlt: Not yet - wait 10 days 20:21 rangi :) 20:21 wizzyrea haha 20:21 rangi oh bug 6390 20:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6390 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, ef, ASSIGNED , Basket only visible for librarian who created it 20:21 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6390] Basket only visible for librarian who created it <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6390> 20:21 rangi who wants to sign off on that 20:21 cait there, something nice and shiny to sign off :) 20:22 rangi c'mon you know you all want to! 20:22 rangi :) 20:34 trea can you use jquery to add an input field to a form? ie, adding "sort1" to opac-userupdate.pl 20:36 cait hm not sure that will work 20:36 gmcharlt trea: yeah, you can use jquery to do enough DOM manipulation to create an input field 20:37 maximep the problem is probably saving the field 20:37 cait yeah 20:37 gmcharlt but it can't, in and of itself, populate that 'sort1' field for you with existing data unless it's already being passwd back in the template 20:37 cait depends what the software does with it 20:37 gmcharlt and, yes, adding a field doesn't mean that opac-userupate.pl would automatically know what to do it with it 20:38 rangi if you figure out how to do that with js 20:38 rangi we are all dead 20:38 rangi dead i say 20:39 trea bum bum BUMMMMMMMM 20:39 wizzyrea hehe 20:39 wizzyrea www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1Y73sPHKxw 20:40 rangi heh 20:40 wizzyrea you are welcome 20:40 trea that's what i hear in my head 20:41 wizzyrea ! is www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1Y73sPHKxw 20:41 wizzyrea ! 20:41 wizzyrea drat. 20:41 wizzyrea I was hoping 20:41 rangi https://twitter.com/#!/wowser/status/124133829572169728 20:42 wizzyrea lol 20:42 cait hehe 20:42 wizzyrea ok right. backups. 20:49 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5459 - Holds not being shifted when merging biblios <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=71defcbc6c851f54da223c040aa5d95e0bd43b73> 20:50 wizzyrea so excited about that one 20:51 rangi :) 20:54 jenkins_koha Starting build 471 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 21:31 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bumping db version <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d205c2795799821bfb560109b841eafac7b239b1> / Bug 5528: Analytic records support <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f09e2ca27ee89860dbdd0ca512735f37fbfaf8a6> 21:43 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #471: SUCCESS in 48 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/471/ 21:43 jenkins_koha Chris Cormack: Bug 5459 - Holds not being shifted when merging biblios 21:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5459 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , merging records loses holds from one 21:43 jenkins_koha Starting build 472 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 21:45 * eythian has his passport back with an Indian visa in it. 21:45 cait whoohoo 21:45 rangi awesome 21:45 cait you are really going :) 21:45 rangi i probably should check 21:46 rangi but i just assumed i dont need one for canada 21:46 rangi bit screwed if thats not the case ;) 21:46 rangi phew 21:46 rangi i dont 21:47 eythian I doubt you'd need one for there, unless you're going via the US in which case you'll have to use there "I promise I won't take over the plane" system 21:47 rangi i knew i didnt last time, but who knows 21:47 rangi yeah, its still valid from ALA 21:47 rangi but no direct akl to van 21:47 eythian ah cool 21:47 cait esta? 21:47 rangi thats it 21:47 eythian cait: yeah 21:47 rangi not landing in the US 21:49 eythian http://imgur.com/r/reddit.com/YZnHu 21:49 rangi heh 21:50 ibeardslee classy 21:56 JoeLib001 I am unable to delete a Z39.50 Server entry. I think it is because I put a + in the title . 21:56 bg @wunder 93109 21:56 huginn bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 34.9�C (2:55 PM PDT on October 12, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 20%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007.0 hPa (Steady). 21:56 bg holy shit that's a high! 21:56 bg I think that's the highest that I've seen 21:56 bg @wunder 06516 21:56 huginn bg: The current temperature in Third Avenue Park, West Haven, Connecticut is 15.3�C (5:50 PM EDT on October 12, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1018.8 hPa (Falling). 21:57 bg eat that NateC 21:57 NateC yeah rub it in 21:57 JoeLib001 @wunder 76031 21:57 huginn JoeLib001: The current temperature in WWater Treatment, Cleburne, Texas is 26.1�C (4:51 PM CDT on October 12, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 28.97 in 980.9 hPa (Falling). 21:57 bg NateC? 21:57 wahanui I LIKE SPACE AND MY WIFE 21:57 bg love it 21:57 NateC at least im not worried about falling into the ocean though 21:57 JoeLib001 :-) 21:58 bg JoeLib001: you can most likely just remove it from the database instead of using the GUI 21:58 JoeLib001 Anyone know what would happen, if I just delete the Z39.50 Server entry from the z3950 table? 21:58 JoeLib001 Ah. 21:58 bg it wouldn't be there anymore ;) heh 21:58 JoeLib001 Hehe. :-) 22:00 JoeLib001 Is there a place where I could enter the problem as a bug? 22:00 JoeLib001 'cause I wouldn't call that a feature. :-) 22:01 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5630, follow-up <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1c0702c76e50173289a0ee340a9c5f190515d9c3> / Bug 5630 Followup: checkpw_ldap not imported <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=74c7c4e3a5d6a3ec20b525936c5ffe2f9b188744> / Bug 5630 CAS improvements <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=046c996c2fa8150b8c6a037976c9c22826e04b8b> 22:11 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6977 : Adds support for repeatable subfields when importing authorities. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f97726406697f7973d2f8118049acaac2f95a3ed> 22:21 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 5898 - search to hold feature not clearing <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7f6656aff84b2e9e47dd3317e8c72d69aaa8e433> 22:31 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #472: SUCCESS in 47 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/472/ 22:31 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 5528: Analytic records support 22:31 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bumping db version 22:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5528 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, tajoli, ASSIGNED , Analytical records support 22:31 jenkins_koha Starting build 473 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 23:14 Judit hi 23:16 Judit if you dont install the default notices during the initial webinstall- you dont have the option to set the Default messaging preferences for the patron categories 23:16 Judit even if you create new notices with the same name, subject and code 23:16 Judit it this correct? 23:16 Judit 3.4.5 23:16 Judit and 3.2.9 23:17 Judit and how bad the situation is with the oil spill? 23:17 slef I'm checking 3.5 / master 23:18 slef and I think I read the boat's captain is in court 23:18 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #473: SUCCESS in 47 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/473/ 23:18 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 5630 CAS improvements 23:18 jenkins_koha * ian.walls: Bug 5630 Followup: checkpw_ldap not imported 23:18 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 5630, follow-up 23:18 jenkins_koha * frederick.capovilla: Bug 6977 : Adds support for repeatable subfields when importing authorities. 23:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5630 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , CAS improvements 23:18 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Fix for Bug 5898 - search to hold feature not clearing 23:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6977 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, fcapovilla, ASSIGNED , Support for repeated subfields when importing an authority into a biblio record field. 23:18 slef but sample_notices really seem to be in optional when they are almost required 23:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5898 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , search to hold feature not clearing 23:19 Judit was it his fault or he just takes the blame? 23:19 slef depends on your point of view 23:19 Judit and for my first question, if i am right: is that a bug or a feature? 23:19 slef hrm, sample_notices is in mandatory... sort of the wrong name 23:20 slef sample_notices_message_attributes and sample_notices_message_transports are in optional in 3.5 23:20 slef when you wrote "default notices", you meant the sample_notices, right? 23:21 Judit yes, like the item due, and advanced notice, item checkout, item check-in, hold filled 23:22 slef I think if you can install koha and not install a database part that's in the mandatory collection, that seems like a bug to me. 23:22 slef Let me check if it looks possible 23:23 Judit i have installed a koha-3.4.5- without the sample messages with no problem 23:23 slef was it labelled something like "you really should install this"? 23:24 Judit but then could not set the default messaging preferences in patron category 23:24 Judit you know the box was missing al together 23:24 Judit i dont remember to be honest 23:25 slef I'll check but not until the morning. 23:25 Judit and i have created new notices - copied and pasted over the subject, name, code, from an other koha 23:25 Judit but i still had no box in the patron category 23:25 slef It looks to me like the checkbox for sample_notices is ticked, but you can untick it if you want 23:25 Judit yes, i did:) 23:26 slef yeah, I think you're basically right: either we need a way that you can get all the functions with you unticked that; or you shouldn't be able to untick that. 23:27 slef I don't think the current situation makes sense, but maybe someone knows why it is this way. 23:27 slef do you have the URL for the page where you set the default messaging categories handy? 23:28 slef the bit from /cgi-bin/ onwards is fine 23:28 slef (I'd avoid linking your admin interface in this chat because it ends up on a public website) 23:30 Judit koha/admin/categorie.pl?op=add_form&categorycode=L 23:30 slef liw: yeah, we've the usual fun with other events that can outbid us. We'll nail it down and be very very noisy as soon as we can. 23:30 slef magnus_away: thanks for saying my name ;-) 23:31 slef Judit: ok, I'm looking that up... excuse my mumbling for a moment 23:31 slef C4::Form::MessagingPreferences::set_form_values({ categorycode => $categorycode } , $template); 23:32 slef C4::Members::Messaging::GetMessagingOptions 23:33 slef oooh yuck :) 23:33 Judit does that mean good or bad? 23:33 Judit :) 23:33 slef borrower_message_transport_preferences.borrower_message_preference_id = borrower_message_preferences.borrower_message_preference_id / message_attributes.message_attribute_id = borrower_message_preferences.message_attribute_id / message_transports.message_attribute_id = message_attributes.message_attribute_id AND message_transports.message_transport_type = borrower_message_transport_preferences.message_transport_type WHERE 23:33 slef message_attributes.message_name = ? 23:33 slef it means I've something to think about :) 23:34 Judit ehm 23:35 slef ok, that's irrelevant actually 23:35 Judit :D 23:35 slef or is it 23:35 slef ok, I'm confused :) 23:35 Judit so i am not the only one- good! 23:35 slef I don't actually understand how this bit works at all. 23:36 slef This could be because a) it doesn't in the version I'm looking at OR b) it's 00:35 and I've just done a 16h day :) 23:36 slef Like I don't mean why it doesn't work in your case... I mean why it ever works. 23:37 slef there's this bit: 23:37 slef # walk through the options and update them with these borrower_preferences 23:37 slef my $messaging_options = C4::Members::Messaging::GetMessagingOptions(); 23:37 slef PREF: foreach my $option ( @$messaging_options ) { 23:37 slef 23:37 slef arrrrrrrrrrgh 23:37 slef I was looking at GetMessagingPreferences 23:38 slef that says GetMessagingOptions 23:38 slef bloody stupid naming 23:38 Judit :) 23:38 Judit maybe it is the 61h day, you know 23:38 Judit 16!! 23:38 Judit not 61 23:38 slef it's not just me, is it? those names are a bit close 23:39 slef mmm 61h days... I need some of those 23:39 slef I've often asked for 36h days but hey, where's my ambition 23:39 slef ok, so what I actually need to ponder is message_attributes.message_attribute_id = message_transports.message_attribute_id 23:40 slef ah... did you load sample_notices_message_attributes? 23:41 Judit it was 6am- yesterday when i did it, i dont remember 23:41 Judit sorry 23:41 slef it looks like you need to define some message_attributes to get the box to appear on the page you were looking at 23:41 slef and I've just broke my terminal :) 23:42 slef aha, got it back 23:42 Judit so it depends on the messgae attributes not on the sample notices? 23:43 slef yeah... I'm trying to look up where you define them now 23:44 slef I probably should just log into Koha. Maybe that'd be quicker 23:51 slef I'm a bit puzzled. At least in 3.2.9, it looks like there's no interface to it except using a mysql client... now checking 3.5 23:53 slef can't find it in 3.5... this is strange. I think it would be worth asking the koha@lists.katipo.co.nz how one edits the message_attributes, if it's not in the manual. Would you mind? 23:54 Judit THANKS FOR LOOKING INTO THIS 23:54 Judit OH 23:54 Judit sorry 23:54 slef hi caps lock :) 23:54 Judit :) 23:54 slef no worries... I'm surprised no-one else is talking here 23:54 slef I'm probably getting this horribly wrong :) 23:54 Judit scary question 23:55 slef I didn't find it in http://manual.koha-community.org/3.4/en/ 23:57 slef I'd just like to mutter "bah, this code says LibLime all over it". I think I've earned that ;)