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01:32 rangi heya NateC
02:34 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bumping database version to 3.05.00.015 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d2d42b47c86d7dd10ccb3f866b090f70cac0140c> / Enh 6902: Novelist Select enhanced content <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0435a1d2f50b9380bbb9eef43c8f6d8ad3404e18> / Enh 6902: Novelist Select enhanced content <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e5ff85d5562330dbd3
02:39 jenkins_koha Starting build 470 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
03:27 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #470: SUCCESS in 48 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/470/
03:27 jenkins_koha * ian.walls: Enh 6902: Novelist Select enhanced content
03:27 jenkins_koha * ian.walls: Enh 6902: Novelist Select enhanced content
03:27 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bumping database version to 3.05.00.015
04:38 cait morning #koha
04:45 rangi hi cait :)
04:45 cait hi rangi :)
05:56 ropuch_ Morning #koha, hi cait & rabgi
05:56 ropuch_ *rangi
05:56 cait morning ropuch :)
05:56 rangi heya ropuch_
06:18 ropuch_ cait: do you by any chance have a minute and acces to 3.04.05 stuff interface?
06:18 cait i might have
06:18 cait what do you need to know? :)
06:19 ropuch_ I found a strange bug yesterday: when patron category with some non standard Ĺletters was created, content of memeber.pl and members-home.pl was diplsayed with wrong ancoding
06:20 ropuch_ Although page info and doctype/head info still was sayingL utf8
06:20 cait hm
06:20 cait the patron category code or description?
06:21 ropuch_ Description
06:21 cait can you give me your example?
06:22 ropuch_ Give me sec
06:23 ropuch The patron category description was "Uczeń"
06:23 fredericd ropuch: bug 6989
06:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6989 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, NEW , Patron categories not properly displayed if not pure ASCII
06:23 fredericd test it, sign it off...
06:24 ropuch But it was not only category that was dipslayed wrong, every single non-asci character on the page was messed up
06:25 ropuch And that was really strange
06:25 cait ropuch: weird
06:26 fredericd Just try. Sometime a mix of utf8 and non-utf8 string breaks completly the page rendition. It depends of Perl version
06:26 fredericd Perl recent versions support far better those situations
06:26 Oak kia ora #koha
06:27 ropuch Serwus, Oak ;>
06:27 Oak :)
06:27 rangi yep, it can cause the browser to try and render it in iso
06:27 cait eew
06:27 rangi 9951 or wahtever
06:27 rangi but that bug should be easy to test
06:27 cait 9951?
06:27 cait bit high
06:28 ropuch ;>
06:28 Oak Aloha cait
06:28 cait aloha Oak :)
06:28 Oak you just said 'eew'
06:29 rangi no iso-9951
06:29 Oak awesome
06:29 rangi or whatever it is :)
06:29 cait ew = encoding problems
06:29 Oak sure
06:29 ropuch ISO 9951 - Measurement of Gas Flow in Closed Conduits - Turbine Meters.
06:29 ropuch ;-)
06:30 Oak :)
06:30 ropuch But I bet you were thinking about 8859 ;)
06:30 rangi thats its
06:30 rangi :)
06:36 reiveune hello
06:36 rangi hi reiveune
06:36 reiveune :) hi rangi
06:36 cait hi reiveune
06:36 reiveune hi cait
06:52 cait morning paul_p :)
06:53 ropuch fredericd: the patch for 6989 wokrded for me
06:53 ropuch Now I need to look through signing off instructioons
06:54 rangi sign off patches?
06:54 rangi wahanui: signing off?
06:54 wahanui signing off is, like, a great idea
06:55 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Sign_off_on_patches
06:55 ropuch I have strange feeling that "signing off" is not a proper form
06:56 ropuch rangi: I'm on this page already [;
06:56 rangi cool
06:56 ropuch But I have'nt been using git for some time
06:56 rangi ahh its not so tricky
06:57 rangi i do this
06:57 rangi git commit --amend -s
06:57 ropuch I'm in the middle of ProGit Lecture ;>
06:57 rangi and then attach it to the bug
06:57 rangi using git-bz
07:04 paul_p hello world
07:05 rangi hi paul_p
07:07 alex_a bonjour
07:10 francharb hello all
07:11 paul_p rangi: yikes ? http://www.leparisien.fr/diaporama/en-images-maree-noire-catastrophique-en-nouvelle-zelande-11-10-2011-1648954.php
07:12 rangi yep
07:12 rangi its a mess
07:13 rangi http://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/5763630/Rena-worst-maritime-environmental-disaster
07:23 clrh hello koha
07:25 kf good morning #koha
07:26 alex_a morning kf :)
07:30 kf morning alex_a
07:30 kf :)
08:49 Amit_Gupta heya koha
08:49 Amit_Gupta hi all
08:49 rangi hi Amit_Gupta
08:49 Amit_Gupta heya hdl, rangi
08:49 hdl hi Amit_Gupta
08:49 hdl hi rangi
08:49 rangi hi hdl
08:49 hdl Amit_Gupta: have you received my answer ?
08:49 Amit_Gupta yes thank
08:49 Amit_Gupta for your reply
08:55 kf hi Amit_Gupta and hdl
08:56 Amit_Gupta heya kf
09:40 oakivil 'ello #Koha
09:41 oakivil I would like to know more about the Authorities module. What Marc21-authorities fields are mapped and how do I define which authorities go to which Koha lists?
09:42 kf oakivil: the mappings are defined in the bibliographic frameworks
09:42 kf you link an authority framework to a marc subdield
09:43 kf an example you can see for 100$a
09:58 oakivil kf: thank you, yeah it's coming clear to me now
09:58 kf you are welcome
09:58 kf I never tried changing the mappings
09:58 kf or creating new ones
09:58 kf but it basically should work I guess
09:58 oakivil hardly necessary
09:59 oakivil I guess the big problem is the conversion of RDF/XML to Marc21-authority
09:59 oakivil in my case
09:59 kf hm
09:59 kf xslt?
09:59 wahanui well, xslt is a maze of twisty turny passages, all alike.
10:02 oakivil first I need to figure out how these RDF/XML files are structured
10:02 oakivil RDF as a authorities storage is pretty weird
10:05 oakivil but xslt sounds like a answer
10:06 kf :)
12:21 oleonard Hi #koha
12:26 kf hi oleonard :)
12:53 Oak \o
13:12 * oleonard is relieved Bug 6576 is fixed
13:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6576 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, RESOLVED FIXED, changing framework while cataloging looses data
13:13 oleonard Thanks for re-testing nengard
13:14 kijanka I've already got used to it ;>
13:15 nengard no prob oleonard
13:15 kijanka Hi oleonard, nengard
13:15 nengard hello
13:26 oakivil A question about Marc21-fields 6xx. Subject Added Entry and Index Term. It is possible to give one biblio multiple for ex. field 653 Index Terms, but how is it possible to show them in the OPAC to a customer? I should change the Zebra indexer settings to index field 653 and show it in the OPAC?
13:27 oakivil is this possible?
13:28 kf sorry oakivil
13:28 kf I am not sure I undertand your queston
13:28 kf let me reread it
13:28 kf isn't 653 repeatable?
13:28 oakivil yes it is
13:28 jwagner If you're asking about _displaying_ the 653 that may require a change to the XSLT file
13:29 kf it should show up with xslt view ON
13:29 kf no it shows
13:29 kf we have that in one of our libraries
13:29 kf all 6xx fields show
13:29 kf standard
13:29 oakivil so i need to configure from admin -> settings the xslt view -> ON
13:29 kf if noone has been changing that
13:29 kf yep
13:29 kf it's recommendable anyway
13:29 jwagner yes, if you're not using XSLT now
13:29 kf much nicer view
13:30 oakivil I am importing this National Subject Word Repository to Koha, and I need to cut the words from this XML/RDF mess and create a Marc21 wrapper for them to be injected into Koha
13:30 oakivil But I need to make a custom Authorities type for that
13:30 oakivil and then attach it to a Marc framework
13:31 sekjal oakivil: be sure your custom Authorities type uses a completely different MARC field for the main heading
13:32 kf yep
13:32 kf what sekjal says
13:32 kf and add that to the import script
13:32 oakivil in my default configuration Books marc framework has field 653$a hidden
13:32 kf was a one liner last time I looked at it
13:32 kf oakivil: that only applies to the mac views
13:33 kf the hidden values
13:33 oakivil ok
13:33 kf not to the normal views/xslt views
13:33 oakivil sekjal: so what do you mean by this "completely different MARC field" ?
13:34 sekjal Koha is hardcoded to figure out what a MARC Authority Record's type is by what fields are present (110, 111, 120, etc)
13:34 oakivil I create a marc21 binary file to be imported with this bulkauthimport.pl
13:34 oakivil ok so i have only tha bare necessary headers and the 653 field
13:36 oakivil hmm xslt stylesheet were turned off
13:50 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6963] When creating a new order, the item isn't added if its barcode already exists in the items table. <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6963>
13:53 wizzyrea mornin
13:54 oleonard Hi wizzyrea
13:58 rhcl @seen gmcharlt
13:58 huginn rhcl: gmcharlt was last seen in #koha 3 days, 15 hours, 22 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: <gmcharlt> ... just for the very polite ones
13:58 gmcharlt rhcl: howdy
14:00 paul_p sekjal: around ?
14:00 sekjal paul_p: yes, I'm here
14:00 paul_p fine. some questions around KohaCon & hackfest: who comes from ByWater ? in which hotel do you stay ?
14:01 sekjal paul_p: bg, druthb, JesseM and myself
14:01 paul_p bg ? You mean Bill Gates ? really ? (kidding ;-) )
14:01 sekjal :)
14:02 sekjal we're at Vihang's Inn
14:02 paul_p yes ! we are here too !
14:02 paul_p you booked a suite for 3 of you (ruth being with jo & brooke iirc)
14:02 paul_p ?
14:03 sekjal paul_p: I think we wound up in three rooms
14:03 paul_p sekjal: do you have had some news from koustubha about hackfest ?
14:04 sekjal paul_p: no, I haven't heard anything
14:05 paul_p well, it's in less than 3 weeks from now, i'll drop him a mail to see where we are (I know he was wounded in an accident, this may explain that...)
14:05 paul_p will cc: you !
14:06 sekjal thanks!
14:06 sekjal it's hard to wrap my head around how quickly KohaCon is coming up
14:06 paul_p lol. I've got my visa yesterday, so I feel the odor of the trip ;-)
14:07 wizzyrea does anyone know if weird things happen with special characters, say, hyphens, in library codes
14:07 wizzyrea library branchname
14:07 wizzyrea branchcode, sorry
14:07 wizzyrea is that inadvisable or ok
14:07 jcamins_away wizzyrea: last I heard, weird things happened.
14:08 wizzyrea k, I thought that might be a bad idea
14:08 oleonard How to test Bug 6553?
14:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6553 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , Parentheses in corporate author break tracings
14:08 wizzyrea what about dots
14:09 sekjal paul_p: my passport and visa were returned to the wrong address, several miles down the road... had to have a little talk with FedEx
14:09 jcamins_away wizzyrea: I'm betting that causes weird things, too, but I've never tried.
14:09 paul_p wizzyrea: we don't have special chars in library code, except, iirc, we have a - once. and we had some problems with that (or was it a space...)
14:09 wizzyrea thanks for the advice
14:09 wizzyrea :)
14:10 paul_p wizzyrea: in fact we had both cases : once, there was a trailing invisible space at the end of a branchcode. No pain except in overdue_notices iirc. And once a - and some problems I don't remember exactly what they were (well, should have been in command line script, as - is for parameters...)
14:16 sekjal jcamins_away++ (for work on bug 5528)
14:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5528 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, tajoli, ASSIGNED , Analytical records support
15:01 oleonard Re: Bug 7000, I don't understand what HomeOrHoldingBranch has to do with the display of library name on search results.
15:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7000 enhancement, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW , show home and holding branch on staff search results
15:05 nengard oleonard i don't mention that preference in the bug report do I?
15:05 kf oleonard++ for bug 7002
15:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7002 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Inaccurate checks for borrower flags == 1
15:05 oleonard nengard: No but rangi mentioned it yesterday, and indeed the code includes a check for it
15:05 kf I thought I was going crazy over this
15:05 nengard oh
15:06 nengard intresting
15:06 oleonard # set item's branch name, use HomeOrHoldingBranch syspref first, fall back to the other one
15:06 nengard interesting
15:06 oleonard if ($item->{$hbranch}) {
15:06 wahanui interesting is good
15:06 oleonard $item->{'branchname'} = $branches{$item->{$hbranch}};
15:06 oleonard }
15:06 nengard i'm not sure it should have anything to do with it ?.
15:06 reiveune bye
15:08 sekjal oh, we DID crack 7000 before 3.8
15:08 kf yeah we did
15:08 wizzyrea heh
15:08 nengard sekjal that would be me :)
15:08 kf sekjal: what oleonard writes in bug 7002 is the reason my work on the basket thing failed :(
15:08 nengard was happy it wasn't a "bug"
15:08 kf there seems to be no real working check for superlibrarian permission
15:08 nengard or i thought it wasn't a bug but if oleonard says the code is funny maybe it was a bug :)
15:09 sekjal kf: fix will require bitwise AND
15:09 kf ??
15:09 oleonard Is the check used in Bug 6885 incorrect?
15:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6885 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, ASSIGNED , Superlibrarian users can't delete items from another library when IndependantBranches
15:09 kf sekjal: sorry, not sure I can go there
15:09 kijanka From where can I get a working copy o git-bz? I've been trying to follow "Git bz configuration from koha wiki, but git-bz is throwing an error
15:10 kf kijanka: what is your error?
15:10 kijanka Same as your was, it seems
15:10 kijanka NameError: global name 'host' is not defined
15:10 wahanui i already had it that way, kijanka.
15:10 sekjal kf: ($userenv->{'flags'} & 1) should do it
15:10 wizzyrea ah, have you configured your globals?
15:11 kf sekjal: I can try taht tonight
15:11 sekjal kf: cool; do keep in mind I could be mistaken, but that *should* fix it
15:11 kf sekjal: than a lot of places in the code need fixing
15:11 wizzyrea kijanka: these - git config bz.default-tracker bugs.koha-community.org
15:11 wizzyrea git config --global bz-tracker.bugs.koha-community.org.path /bugzilla3
15:11 wizzyrea git config bz.default-product Koha
15:12 kijanka wizzyrea: I've done it
15:13 kf sekjal: I searched around in git and found different versions of checking for superlibraian, but none seemed to work :(
15:14 sekjal yeah, lots of checks on {'flags'} != 1
15:14 sekjal particularly in C4/Serials.pm
15:15 kf not only there
15:15 kf lists has a bug for that too
15:15 kf acq probably...
15:16 kijanka wizzyrea: ok, I have it working - was misleaded by "or if you have Chrome or Firefox installed on your dev machine, and have logged into bugzilla at least once from that machine, git-bz can use that."
15:16 kf ok, but more later - thx for the pointer
15:16 kf bye all
15:16 wizzyrea kijanka: glad you got it workign.
15:16 kijanka Me to :)
15:16 kijanka s/to/too
15:17 kijanka There was this tiny script showing active git branch in bash prompt
15:22 pastebot "oleonard" at 66.213.78.34 pasted "Trick for keeping track of what git repo you are currently using/editing" (14 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/73
15:22 oleonard Maybe that?
15:22 wahanui Maybe that is, like, held generall and /etc/koha/zebradb/etc is valid for all koha-sites
15:24 kijanka oleonard: that, thanks
15:25 maximep I use PS1='[\u@\h \W$(__git_ps1 " (%s)")]\$ '
15:27 oleonard Interesting, maximep's works for me, the other doesn't (although I know it did at one time)
15:27 rhcl http://www.lita.org/ala/mgrps/divs/lita/conferences/forum/2012/2012%20LITA%20National%20F.pdf
15:27 wizzyrea graphicsmagick
15:27 wahanui graphicsmagick is avaliable in package form for the following Operating Systems: Version 1.1.11 in Lenny, 1.3.12 in Squeeze, 1.3.5 in Sid and Ubuntu Lucid. Regarding the update message, all Koha functions still work even if you only have Version 1.1.11.
15:28 wizzyrea ty wahanui
15:30 oleonard rhcl: Right in my neck of the woods
15:31 rhcl We, which would be I, might be willing to "partner" with a vendor or other interested party if desired.
15:32 rhcl I'll be glad to share my impressions of this year's LITA conference, which I attended two weeks ago, if anyone would like.
15:46 libsysguy so are we talking about bug squishing day or just hanging out today?
15:47 * wizzyrea can't squish today, too busy doing other stuff
15:47 libsysguy oh no...busy wizzy
15:48 sekjal libsysguy: it's bug-squashing week-and-a-half, now :)
15:48 libsysguy heh
15:48 libsysguy hey sekjal...long time no type
15:48 sekjal hey, libsysguy
15:48 wahanui well, libsysguy is Koha's hottest developer or partying with swedes on his deck
15:49 wizzyrea i laugh every time.
15:49 libsysguy i giggle a little bit too
15:51 libsysguy sekjal i meant to ask you about bug 5079
15:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5079 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, tdavis, ASSIGNED , Make display of shelving location and call number in XSLT results controlled by sysprefs
15:51 libsysguy are you still using that for your libraries?
15:52 sekjal libsysguy: yes
15:52 sekjal just the one, though
15:52 libsysguy did you see that it got failed? I guess it never got pushed?
15:53 sekjal yeah, saw that
15:53 sekjal it's on my punchlist for the next few days
15:53 libsysguy right-o
15:53 libsysguy i was just frustrated about it so I thought i'd poke you and ask
15:53 sekjal hourly loans, as well
15:54 libsysguy that too...but I haven't had any issues out of hourly in a long time
15:54 libsysguy so that makes me (and the circ staff) very happy :p
15:54 sekjal I find that highly encouraging
15:54 * wizzyrea too
16:30 paul_p sekjal: just submitted a follow-up for 6328
16:31 sekjal paul_p: thanks!
16:38 cait hi #koha
16:40 rhcl hi cait
16:41 cait hi rhcl :)
18:13 Oak Ooga booga #koha
18:14 Oak that's hello in cavemen language
18:21 cait lol
18:21 cait seems not only me is in a good mood today :) hi oak
18:21 cait Oak even
18:43 rangi morning
18:43 oleonard Hi rangi
18:45 rangi who all understands indicators?
18:45 * jcamins doesn't, but what's the question.
18:45 rangi the question on the mailing list from magdalena about 490
18:46 rangi and indicators
18:48 cait I think it is the indicators
18:48 jcamins Yeah, looks like an instance of the the XSLT stylesheet relying on MARC21-compliance.
18:49 rangi ahhh
18:50 rangi thought that might be it
18:52 rangi I wonder if we can have a loose mode or something?
18:52 rangi technically it is right
18:52 rangi but library data is very rarely compliant
18:55 jcamins Yeah, I suggest making it 490ind1 != '1'
18:55 cait hm
18:55 rangi right
18:56 cait what is it now?
18:58 jcamins 490ind1 == '0'
18:58 rangi ahh
18:59 rangi yeah I like ur suggestion
18:59 rangi have u got time to reply to magdalena?
18:59 jcamins Uhhh... yeah, sure.
18:59 jcamins There should be a bug for this.
19:00 jcamins I wish I could search for "490".
19:00 rangi thanks :)
19:00 rangi she mentioned one 2704 I think
19:00 rangi bug 2704
19:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2704 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, RESOLVED FIXED, 440 Display Issues
19:00 rangi but I dont think thats it
19:01 jcamins Hmmm... I disagree with Robin's report on bug 5407.
19:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5407 normal, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW , Koha displays series entries in the order they're in the MARC
19:01 jcamins I mean, it's true that Koha does what he says, but I think it should.
19:01 rangi ahh
19:02 rangi you'd probably know better feel free to tell him so :)
19:03 nengard i agree with jcamins
19:04 jcamins nengard: any idea where the 490 bug is?
19:04 jcamins You filed it...
19:04 nengard 490 bug?
19:05 jcamins Yeah, the bug about 490s not displaying properly.
19:05 jcamins Maybe it was closed.
19:05 nengard bug 2704?
19:05 nengard that's the 440
19:05 nengard and it is closed
19:06 jcamins Hm. Oh well.
19:06 rangi not in 3.4.x only master maybe?
19:07 jcamins No, the problem is still in Master.
19:07 jcamins It was a different problem with the 490.
19:07 rangi ah ok
19:07 jcamins Where the "Series:" label was displaying, but no text.
19:08 rangi my stop brb
19:09 jcamins Anyone object to me copying her original e-mail straight into a bug?
19:10 jcamins No? Excellent!
19:11 cait I think it was me
19:11 cait the indicators
19:12 cait before it was not showing them at all sometimes
19:12 cait may be too strict now
19:12 jcamins If I don't fix this immediately, there's no way that I'll get around to it.
19:12 jcamins If anyone objects to the report, they can add a comment clarifying.
19:12 jcamins :)
19:13 jcamins How do I do != in XSLT?
19:13 jcamins XPath, I mean.
19:14 cait not !=1?
19:14 jcamins I don't remember.
19:14 jcamins Yes, !=
19:14 jcamins Cool.
19:15 rangi back
19:19 jcamins rangi: so do we think you'll be able to push the analytics, in light of your proposal to push features and have them translated for 3.6.1?
19:19 rangi its a bug right?
19:19 rangi its still fair game in my book
19:19 rangi oh analytics
19:19 wahanui the 773$w field contains the value of the 001 field of the parent record. Also, MARC sucks.
19:20 rangi duh
19:20 rangi yes
19:20 rangi 5528 is still fair game
19:20 rangi as is 5549
19:20 oleonard I can't believe that not a single non-English-speaking library has asked for a fix for Bug 1153
19:20 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1153 minor, P2, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , opac-userupdate.pl update to allow moderation, and templatize
19:20 oleonard ...at the very least the templatize part of it.
19:20 rangi i thought it had a template?
19:20 rangi does it not?
19:20 rangi wow
19:20 rangi yeah i cant believe that either
19:20 oleonard The email itself doesn't
19:21 rangi ah
19:21 oleonard The email message hard-coded into opac-userupdate.pl
19:21 rangi we should make that a notice
19:21 rangi altho that might be overkill
19:21 rangi just a .tt would be a good start
19:22 jcamins It was an enhancement.
19:22 jcamins Bug 5581
19:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5581 enhancement, P5, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , BibLibre authorities improvements for 3.4
19:22 jcamins Maybe.
19:22 jcamins I just made that number up.
19:22 * jcamins confirms bug 7007.
19:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7007 enhancement, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW , 490 not displaying without indicator 1
19:22 * jcamins confirms that his fix works.
19:22 rangi jcamins++
19:22 rangi bug 5528
19:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5528 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, tajoli, ASSIGNED , Analytical records support
19:22 * rangi knows them off by heart
19:23 jcamins That's the one I was asking about 5528.
19:23 jcamins Please insert punctuation in the appropriate place.
19:25 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6598] OPACFineNoRenewals syspreference does not stop user renewing in opac <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6598>
19:25 * oleonard is surprised in general at how much non-translatable text non-English-speakers put up with
19:26 * oleonard wonders if they're just used to it
19:27 jcamins Okay, patched 7007.
19:27 rangi cool :)
19:28 cait oleonard: they don't complain a lot
19:28 cait oleonard: but always happy to improve it :)
19:29 cait always happy if it gets improved :)
19:29 cait so, that's what I meant
19:29 rangi :)
19:29 oleonard That opac-userupdate bug is just so old! (for certain relevant definitions of old)
19:30 cait oh
19:30 cait opacuserupdate is mean
19:30 cait my libraries don#t use it really
19:30 cait it confuses them :(
19:30 cait the mail I mean, got complaints they don't understand what to do and how to read it
19:31 oleonard My point exactly!
19:32 oleonard That's why I'd really like to see it get a moderation system, where the changes would get saved to a table and the librarian could approve the changes with a click
19:33 rangi yep, that would be fine too
19:35 cait yeah
19:35 cait sounds great
19:35 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7007] 490 not displaying without indicator 1 <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7007>
19:35 cait could use the same table as for new users
19:35 cait preregistering
19:35 cait on some terminal in the library
19:36 rangi ohh
19:36 rangi yes or from home
19:36 rangi let ppl sign up from the opac
19:36 rangi then just come into the library with some id
19:36 rangi sometime
19:36 * oleonard was considering throwing some money at online library card signups
19:36 rangi i think its all the same feature/bug
19:36 * cait nods
19:37 cait temp borrowers
19:37 cait data
19:37 cait waiting for approval
19:37 rangi hmm bug 6598
19:37 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6598 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, REOPENED , OPACFineNoRenewals syspreference does not stop user renewing in opac
19:38 rangi are we banking on js stopping a renewal?
19:38 rangi cos if so
19:38 rangi we need a kick up the bum
19:38 oleonard No
19:38 rangi the perl should block it too
19:38 rangi phew
19:38 oleonard That was a red herring
19:38 rangi the browser issue was a red herring?
19:38 rangi great
19:38 * rangi stops rampaging :)
19:38 oleonard My patch properly hides the renewal controls in cases where they should be blocked (if I got it right that is)
19:39 rangi cool
19:40 oleonard Come to think of it, why don't we send ONLY the fields which have changed when we send that email?
19:41 cait oleonard: like it
19:42 kijanka http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6989 - can you tell me if that's proper sign off?
19:42 huginn 04Bug 6989: minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, NEW , Patron categories not properly displayed if not pure ASCII
19:42 rangi it is indeed
19:43 rangi all you need to do now
19:43 rangi is change the patch status to signed off
19:43 kijanka Should I repeat a bug desc in sign off?
19:43 rangi its fine as it is
19:43 kijanka Kk
19:43 kijanka How can I hide my mail in sign off message?
19:44 rangi on the bug? or on the patch?
19:44 rangi you cant really do either
19:45 rangi it needs to be there
19:45 kijanka I don't feel iike getting more spam, and in that form (Signed-off-by: Piotr Wejman <ropuch@bagno.be>) it's easy to harvest
19:45 kijanka Huh
19:45 rangi they could get it from git.koha-community.org
19:45 rangi too
19:45 kijanka Then be it ;>
19:46 oleonard kijanka: Or from Bugzilla
19:46 kijanka rangi: yea, I've just thought the same ;>
19:46 rangi im not sure that being harvested is such an issue now, they sell lists, if its been found once
19:46 rangi it's already too late
19:46 kijanka So I'm doomed!
19:46 kijanka ;>
19:46 rangi yup :)
19:46 cait hm haven't notices more spam really on my addresses
19:47 rangi we all are
19:47 cait good spam filter I guess
19:47 * jcamins is definitely not receiving spam from his Koha commits.
19:48 * rangi will fix that
19:48 kijanka heheh
19:48 rangi :)
19:48 oleonard Include a link to the staff client edit screen in the update email if staffClientBaseURL system pref is populated?
19:48 kijanka So, after sign off I should change bug status next?
19:49 cait oleonard: +1
19:49 cait kijanka: why the changed nick? :)
19:50 ropuch kijanka means tadpole
19:50 ropuch And ropuch means toad
19:50 cait oh
19:50 cait you are rejuvenating?
19:50 ropuch ;>
19:51 ropuch I was swicthing between 2 screens and was confused with ropuch_ and ropuch
19:51 ropuch So I chnaged one nick to kijanka ;>
19:51 ropuch *changed
19:51 wizzyrea oh we have a kf and a cait thing
19:51 wizzyrea kijanka is ropuch
19:52 wizzyrea ropuch is kijanka
19:52 wizzyrea now wahanui will know ;)
19:52 ropuch ;>
19:52 wizzyrea ropuch?
19:52 wahanui it has been said that ropuch is kijanka
19:52 wizzyrea there we have it
19:55 cait oh right
19:55 cait that#s because my windows at work refuses to shut down lately...
19:55 rangi hehe
19:55 cait ah
19:55 cait thought I had a double appearance right now :)
20:02 Oak go to bed cait
20:02 Oak kia ora #koha
20:02 cait oh
20:02 cait not another
20:02 cait it's not that late
20:02 Oak how about trying 8 hour sleep for once
20:03 Oak :)
20:03 * cait hides
20:03 jcamins Oak: I heard that 8 hours of sleep a night is very healthy. :)
20:03 jcamins And leaves one feeling energized when s/he wakes up in the morning. :)
20:04 Oak @later tell Brooke very good movie this: The Private Lives of Pippa Lee http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1134629/
20:04 huginn Oak: The operation succeeded.
20:04 Oak i know jcamins :)
20:04 jcamins Oak: I know you know. I was just commenting publicly. ;)
20:04 Oak you hear cait what jcamins said? hmm?
20:04 jcamins :)
20:05 cait conspiracy!
20:06 rangi sup JesseM_
20:06 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7006] highlight patron changes in email <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7006>
20:06 ropuch Sleeping more than 7,5 hours (max) makes me dizzy and sleepy again
20:06 Oak okie, 1am here. me go now. to sleep.
20:07 Oak \o
20:07 oleonard Look ma, no template changes!
20:07 rangi hehe
20:07 cait oleonard++
20:07 * cait puts it on her gigantic list
20:28 magnuse kia ora #koha
20:28 rangi heya magnuse
20:28 wahanui i guess magnuse is afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza.
20:28 magnuse :-)
20:28 magnuse no pizza today
20:28 * oleonard will return... some day.
20:28 rangi cya oleonard
20:33 cait hi magnuse
20:33 magnuse guten abend cait
20:40 magnuse kia ora jransom
20:41 cait hi jransom :)
20:42 jransom hiya
20:45 jransom so just confirming: Magnus and Caitlin: neither coming to kohacon11?
20:45 rangi katrin :)
20:45 jransom oh i kne that!
20:46 rangi :)
20:46 jransom thanks
20:46 rangi im pretty sure thats right
20:47 jransom bit sad about that .... have to cross fingers SCotland
20:49 cait we will cross fingers too
20:50 jransom :)
20:50 cait sorry for not coming to India
20:50 cait hope all going will tweet and blog and chat
20:50 jransom hehe - can't do everything babe - and you got to NZ just the year prior so itsot really a surprise
20:54 magnuse i'm not going to india either, sadly
20:54 jransom I'm sorry to hear that to.
20:55 magnuse but i will definitely be in edinburgh! and i'll try and bring as many cool norwegian library people as i can!
20:55 cait :)
20:55 cait edinburgh!
20:55 wahanui edinburgh is cool - I have been there once when visiting friends in scotland :)
20:55 cait and if I have to swim there
20:55 cait hehe
20:56 cait oh wahanui
20:56 cait forget edinburgh
20:56 wahanui cait: I forgot edinburgh
20:56 cait those were my friends, not yours
20:56 jransom lol
20:56 magnuse hehe
20:56 jransom wahanui is a bit silly sometimes
20:57 magnuse a little bit
20:57 magnuse jransom: so when are you leaving for india?
20:58 * liw might show up in Edinburgh for KohaCon, given that he'll be living nearby
20:59 rangi w00t
21:00 magnuse cool!
21:01 magnuse then we can all give liw the praise he deserves for the work on the packages!
21:01 rangi and he can give a presentation on packaging things :)
21:01 liw nah, keep praising eythian, he's the one doing all the work
21:02 cait you can do the presentation together
21:02 cait so I get a chance to tease robin
21:02 liw I'd rather do 2 or 4 hours training session
21:02 cait I only say germs
21:03 liw i.e., something where participants make packages, instead of hearing me talk about how to make packages
21:03 rangi ohh thats a good idea liw
21:03 rangi part of the hackfest/dev conference
21:03 magnuse +1
21:03 liw rangi and eythian have been subjected to that training, iirc
21:03 rangi it was very good
21:04 magnuse yes please!
21:04 liw then eythian can give a talk on what the current packages actually do for you, and what they can do but you need to know about to get them to do that
21:05 magnuse yay
21:05 wizzyrea ok now i'm *really* sad I'm going to mis kohacon this year
21:05 liw if he wants to, of course
21:06 cait wizzyrea: we are actually planning for next year already
21:06 magnuse wizzyrea: this is planning for next year, methinks?
21:06 wizzyrea ohhh
21:06 rangi och aye
21:06 * magnuse hopes slef is taking notes
21:07 liw but afaik this is all premature planning, since the location hasn't been changed yet (I can't afford to go to Reno for KohaCon, alas)
21:07 rangi oh its been decided
21:07 cait edinburgh is for sure now
21:08 liw ah
21:08 liw nice
21:08 rangi yep, it won the vote
21:08 cait :)
21:08 liw I thought the vote would end November 1
21:08 rangi october 1
21:08 liw I should perhaps not say this in a room full of librarians, but it might be possibly a good idea for me to learn to read some day
21:08 rangi hehe
21:09 liw is the date decided, then?
21:10 cait no
21:10 liw wiki says not yet, I'll hang out on the channel to learn about it
21:10 cait I think they have to find a venue now and get bids
21:10 magnuse yup
21:11 rangi its sounding like june
21:11 rangi but not actual dates yet
21:20 rangi handy
21:20 rangi http://danielmiessler.com/study/lsof/
21:22 magnuse gotta catch some sleep - see ya folks!
21:23 jransom I leave NZ on the 22nd and spending a wek in Goa before KohaCon
21:27 rangi oh cool
21:27 rangi i leave on sunday
21:27 rangi for canada
21:28 talljoy i'm looking for help on distinguishing how match points work differently than match checks
21:28 talljoy help file has ???
21:29 rangi no idea im afraid talljoy
21:29 jcamins talljoy: what's the goal?
21:29 wahanui rumour has it the goal is to be more useful, not less
21:29 * wizzyrea imagines jransom raving on the beach in Goa
21:29 wizzyrea get yer glowsticke!
21:32 talljoy i'm just trying to sort out how they work
21:32 talljoy i have a feeling i'm about to get asked....
21:33 talljoy it seems that match points offer point values on matching per tag/subfield. Match checks appear to allow matching on any fields (cross fields even 245 to 246) and are a strict yes/no. Essentially an override function.
21:33 jcamins talljoy: I could explain how they apply, but I'm not sure I could explain how to use them in advance.
21:34 jcamins That seems like a good explanation.
21:34 talljoy so following that logic...if matchpoint offer success on matching, but a match check fails....then it is not considered a match.
21:35 jcamins Right.
21:35 talljoy i'll go with that then. may try testing a few items to be sure.
21:35 talljoy thanks jcamins
21:35 jcamins Probably wise.
21:35 jcamins You're welcome.
21:36 cait I think th scores make a difference too?
21:36 jcamins Oh, yes, good point!
21:36 talljoy on match points they do. But do the matchchecks override points with a final yes/no?
21:36 cait so you rate how important a single match check in a matching rule is
21:36 talljoy there is no score in matchchecks
21:36 cait ok
21:36 cait I got confused
21:37 talljoy apparently it is confusing....:-) i still don't know for sure.
21:39 jransom @wizzyrea someone told brooke to watch out for drunk Europeans on the beach in Goa - she replied what! we'll BE the drunk Europeans ...
21:39 huginn jransom: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
21:53 wizzyrea jransom: spectacular
21:58 jransom well hopefully not spectacular (m leaving the bikini at home) but it should be very cool. We are staying in old Goa well away from party central (because we are ladies of a certain age after all)
22:00 rangi pshaw
22:00 rangi ive been to librarian parties
22:00 rangi you guys are CRAZY!
22:00 jransom hehe - only coz there tend to be few men around and e can let rip
22:02 rangi hehe
22:02 cait :)
22:09 jcamins Is Liberty an ILS?
22:10 eythian yeah
22:11 jcamins How miserable would it make me to work with it?
22:11 eythian jcamins: I've never used it, but from what I've heard, terribly
22:11 cait good night all :)
22:11 jcamins I had a feeling.
22:11 eythian hi cait
22:11 eythian bye cait
22:11 cait hi eythian, bye eythian :)
22:11 rangi cya cait
22:11 eythian I've spent a lot of time moving people off of liberty and onto koha.
22:11 rangi yeah, we should send them a thank you card
22:12 eythian In fact, I'm doing such a migration now.
22:13 jcamins Hm.
22:13 jcamins That's unfortunate.
22:13 eythian all librarians I've talked to have been really happy with the change.
22:13 jcamins I mean, good for Koha, not so good for my chances of not going crazy if I have to work with Liberty.
22:13 eythian heh
22:14 eythian you could migrate them to koha
22:14 eythian we can help :D
22:14 eythian where is this, btw. I didn't think liberty had much presence outside NZ/AU
22:14 jcamins New York/London.
22:15 eythian huh, surprising.