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00:11 eythian http://boingboing.net/2011/10/08/wipo-boss-the-web-would-have-been-better-if-it-was-patented-and-its-users-had-to-pay-license-fees.html
00:12 rangi heh
00:12 rangi class war :)
00:15 cait hey eythian :)
00:15 eythian hi there cait
00:21 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6190] Custom field removal from patron entry screens <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6190>
00:22 cait oh nice - 6190
00:24 rangi yeah thats a good one
01:06 jcamins_away cait: isn't it like... 3am?
01:07 cait ssh
01:08 eythian usage: ssh [-1246AaCfgKkMNnqsTtVvXxYy] [-b bind_address] [-c cipher_spec]
01:09 cait :P
01:09 eythian :P: command not found
01:10 cait lol
01:17 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6770] AllowHoldPolicyOverride not working <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6770>
01:39 wajasu i'm still wondering how the utf8 records should be stored in the database. I see 75 (hex u) CC88 (diaresis) for write combining in some records. then C3BC (ü) in others.
01:40 eythian It should be stored as UTF-8, but you may have data coming in as MARC-8 but believed to be UTF-8 which will cause some kinds of crazy.
01:42 wajasu when we write them to the PDF, if the font is latin1, then should'nt they get converted to Encode::encode("iso-8859-1",$line) so the fonts match.
01:43 wajasu i've been running perl5.12, are you guys all 5.10?
01:45 mtj wajasu i'm on debian stable ;)
01:45 eythian 5.10.1 here
01:46 mtj yep, me too
01:47 wajasu i setup that debian squeeze under virt-manager and see its 5.10.1, which my utf8::downgrade($line) fix did not affect the outcome as it did in my 5.12 environment.
01:47 wajasu i am guessing the unicode/utf8 support in perl changed.
01:47 eythian well, eventually everyone will upgrade to newer perl, so that'll start fixing things in the long run
01:48 wajasu there is even some newer use 'unicode-strings' or the like in 5.14.2
01:49 wajasu do the INSTALL files specify a dependency on 5.10. no. i should have run that 3 years ago.
01:51 wajasu kr said that things worked for her environment. i suspect my data, or my perl version was the difference.
01:52 eythian I think it's just moved from 5.8 minimum to 5.10 min, but don't quote me on that.
01:53 wajasu i did: select author,hex(author) from biblio where author like '%rgen%'; to see how umlauts are stored in my db. some have write combining, some don't.
01:53 eythian it'll depend on where they're coming from I guess.
01:54 wajasu i wonder if the mysql -> DBI -> perl internal normalizes, or must each routine (i.e PDF::Reuse) address all that.
01:55 wajasu does the DBI routine always connect to enforce utf8, and such.
01:55 eythian Well, some things in perl get terribly upset if you have invalid UTF8
01:56 eythian but it's not going to convert MARC-8 for you if it doesn't know that's what it's getting.
01:57 wajasu the debian virt-manager i installed, did not produce a barcode label with a single u with diaresis after i added a book from the z3950 world.
01:57 wajasu thats a 3.4 version
01:57 wajasu with kr's utf8 fix in the PDF.pm
01:59 wajasu kr said that printing umlauts worked after kr' fix. but its hard to know a) what version of perl kr runs, and b) what format the data is in kr's db.
01:59 wajasu so i suspect that my db data is "not correct", or normalized.
02:35 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6303] Display Organisation and Parent Organisation names when viewing a borrower of type organistaion <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6303>
03:50 druthb o/
04:04 Amit_Gupta Hi koha
04:04 Amit_Gupta good morning
04:06 rangi hi druthb and Amit_Gupta
04:06 druthb hi, rangi and Amit_Gupta! :)
04:06 Amit_Gupta heya chris, druthb
04:14 rangi some of your patches went into master today Amit
04:24 Amit_Gupta hmm
04:25 eythian good old collection codes from liberty: "Library", "Libray", "Librry" are three of them.
04:36 druthb hello, Oak.
04:36 Oak hello druthb :)
04:36 Oak kia ora #koha
05:36 cait good morning #koha
05:36 * druthb hides from cait
05:36 cait aw
05:40 eythian cait: you're up at a more reasonable time. What's wrong?
05:41 cait :P
05:42 druthb uhoh. she's bein' sassy.
05:42 druthb we're in trouble.
05:42 cait lol
05:42 cait @wunder Konstanz
05:42 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 10.2�C (7:39 AM CEST on October 10, 2011). Conditions: Drizzle. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1021.9 hPa (Rising).
05:42 cait go to bed druthb :)
05:43 druthb I wondered when that was coming. It is, after all, 0045 here.
05:43 cait ah, that's not as late as I thought
06:13 Oak @wunder islamabad
06:13 huginn Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 27.0�C (11:00 AM PKT on October 10, 2011). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Rising).
06:13 druthb @wunder columbia, tn
06:13 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Hollywood, Culleoka, Tennessee is 14.3�C (1:10 AM CDT on October 10, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 97%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 30.11 in 1019.5 hPa (Steady).
06:22 ropuch Morning #koha
06:22 rangi hi ropuch
06:27 cait hi ropuch :)
06:36 magnuse kia ora #koha
06:36 rangi hi magnuse
06:36 druthb hi, magnuse! :D
06:37 reiveune hello
06:37 wahanui hello, reiveune
06:38 magnuse hiya rangi druthb reiveune
06:38 magnuse yay, "powered by koha" made it in! ;-)
06:38 rangi yup :)
06:39 magnuse better start thinking about how to translate it, then
06:39 rangi :)
06:40 cait I think I will leave it like that
06:41 magnuse it's difficult, without making it sound like koha is the company that hosts an installation
06:41 rangi yeah
06:41 magnuse so i'm thinking leaving it as it is might be the best solution
06:42 * druthb is looking forward to getting back to Koha work in the morning--she has been hacking her website into Jekyll all weekend, and working on throwing WordPress to the sharks.
06:42 cait druthb: go to bed!
06:42 druthb cait: :P
06:44 * magnuse loves wp, but is slightly appalled after looking at the code a bit - no mvc there!
06:45 alex_a1 hello
06:45 druthb it's turned into something of a bloated monster, in a lot of ways; no code discipline, add-a-feature-everywhere kind of mentality. And it has some annoying weaknesses that take some extraordinary measures to overcome.
06:46 druthb I've got me a russian script kiddie who's comment-spamming me, and hammering away at wp-admin. So far, he hasn't gotten in, but there won't *be* any chinks in the armor with Jekyll
06:46 druthb Hi, alex_a1. :)
06:47 magnuse jekyll is one of those systems that generate plain html pages, right?
06:47 alex_a hi druthb \o
06:47 druthb yes.
06:47 magnuse http://jekyllrb.com/ ?
06:48 druthb https://github.com/mojombo/jekyll
06:48 rangi just use ikiwiki
06:48 rangi its a million times cooler
06:48 * magnuse was almost waiting for that ;-)
06:49 * Oak Googles ikiwiki
06:49 magnuse http://ikiwiki.info/
06:50 druthb coolness is a factor way the hell down my list, though it's on there. The ability to do my editing in my Editor Of Choice instead of that wonky one in WP was a big selling point, as was being able to version-control the whole site with git, and automate the upload. So far, I'm happy as a clam with this. I've got about another hours's work, and it'll be ready for me to throw WP overboard.
06:50 rangi well i measure coolness in features, license and the people behind the project
06:50 druthb jcamins was the one who turned me onto it; his whole website is done in jekyll.
06:50 cait so koha must rank high :)
06:50 druthb :) I do too, rangi. Nothing tops Koha.
06:50 rangi you can do all of the above with ikiwik
06:51 rangi ikiwiki
06:51 cait will be back
06:51 * rangi edits his site in vim and git pushes it
06:51 druthb cool. Markdown?
06:52 Oak yup
06:52 rangi anything you want
06:52 Oak "It supports several lightweight markup languages, including Markdown, Creole,[8] reStructuredText and Textile." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ikiwiki
06:53 rangi you can just thow html at it too
06:53 rangi course blosxom was pretty cool too
06:53 rangi http://www.blosxom.com/
06:53 rangi thats what my first blog was in
06:56 druthb I have some wiki-ish content I want to put up there, too--encyclopedic stuff--and had been thrashing a little about how to do it. MediaWiki is a monster.
06:56 druthb (and getting the styling coherent between WordPress and MW was about to make me an alcoholic.)
06:56 rangi yep
06:57 * druthb changes the footer from "This site powered by WordPress" to "This site powered by Jekyll. Nyah, nyah, script kiddies."
06:59 druthb discovered a feature--if you put "published: false" in the YAML front matter on a post in Jekyll, it doesn't get dealt-with. I had a draft post in WP that migrated over that way.
06:59 druthb pretty cool.
07:06 asaurat hi
07:10 * druthb heads to bed.
07:10 druthb @later tell cait okay, fine, fine...I'm going to bed. :P
07:10 huginn druthb: The operation succeeded.
07:11 paul_p hello world
07:12 rangi hi paul_p
07:13 paul_p Hi rangi, I couldn't see the NZ-AR match, but here, newspapers related that it was not as easy as the score could let one think.
07:13 paul_p seems Dan C. misses you a lot
07:13 rangi hmm not really that
07:13 rangi more argentina played well
07:13 rangi http://haka.co.nz/allblacks.php
07:14 * paul_p is dreaming again of a final NZ-FR though !
07:14 rangi only one missed kick from 9
07:16 rangi argentina defended well the 1st half, but they had done 100+ tackles to nz's 40ish
07:16 rangi so eventually they cracked
07:17 rangi wales looked really good, that will be an interesting game
07:17 rangi a lot will depend on the ref
08:05 francharb hello #koha
08:05 kf hi francharb :)
08:07 rangi hi francharb
08:08 francharb hi kf, rangi!
08:08 kf @wunder Konstanz
08:08 huginn kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 12.0�C (10:00 AM CEST on October 10, 2011). Conditions: Heavy Rain. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 30.22 in 1023 hPa (Rising).
08:26 kf @wunder marseille
08:26 huginn kf: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 20.0�C (10:00 AM CEST on October 10, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Falling).
08:26 kf oh, quite a difference
08:33 kf good morning hdl
08:33 hdl hi kf
08:37 rangi hi hdl
08:47 magnuse @wunder boo
08:47 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 8.0�C (10:20 AM CEST on October 10, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Windchill: 5.0�C. Pressure: 29.06 in 984 hPa (Steady).
08:47 magnuse hm, "sudo apt-get install libcgi-session-memcached-perl" doesn't seem to work, after i have added the koha repo to sources and done "apt-get update"?
08:48 kf morning magnuse
08:48 rangi missing a word
08:48 rangi driver
08:49 rangi libcgi-session-driver-memcached-perl
08:49 magnuse hiya kf
08:49 magnuse ah, thanks rangi
08:50 magnuse but i'm pretty sure the package build was complaining about what i used... i'll try again
08:54 Amit_Gupta henri around?
08:56 kf try hdl to make it show up for him :)
09:16 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Fixing line endings <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=fd052de5e179a26f9fec32141cc6d0f07b31ad9d>
09:22 hdl Amit_Gupta: ?
09:23 hdl hi all
09:24 jenkins_koha Starting build 469 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
10:12 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #469: SUCCESS in 48 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/469/
10:12 jenkins_koha Chris Cormack: Fixing line endings
10:28 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6996] Encoding problem in opac-showmarc <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6996>
11:10 fredericd kf: Could you take a look on 3.6 German files I've just uploaded to pootle?
11:21 kf fredericd: sorry, not at the moment
11:21 kf tonight ok?
11:21 kf or only at permissionsß
11:21 kf ?
11:21 kf I can submit suggestions, that looks good
11:22 kf having problems loading the 'review' tab
11:28 kf fredericd: what I meant was: can submit suggestions and submit strings, but review tab is not loading
11:30 fredericd ok
11:30 fredericd There are a lot of new strings
11:30 fredericd Check that help text you have already translated are not to be translated again
11:31 kf nicole updated the help files
11:31 kf almost all of them
11:31 kf it's less than I expected actually
11:31 fredericd We should keep help translation outside the software (my opinion)
11:31 kf perhaps they could be a separate po file
11:31 kf and less ... split up
11:31 kf afk for 5 min
11:32 fredericd it's easy for nicole to cut and past its manual from docbook to templates. But it's a huge work for translator in that format (.po files)
11:37 ropuch Hi kf, hello fredericd
11:38 fredericd hello ropuch
11:44 kf fredericd: I agree
11:45 kf fredericd: it's very hard because things are out of context too
11:45 kf fredericd: goal should be to keep them together, all strings for one page or help file
12:03 kf hi asaurat :)
12:09 magnuse maybe there are better ways to handle the translations of help pages than through .po files? is it just copied from the manual? maybe it would be better to translate the original docbook xml?
12:11 Amit_Gupta heya magnuse
12:11 magnuse hiya Amit_Gupta
12:12 kf magnuse: I think the manual would have to follow the pages quite strcitly then
12:12 kf magnuse: perhaps we need somethine else
12:12 magnuse the help pages could be docbook separate from the manual
12:13 * kf nods
12:17 jcamins Good morning, #koha
12:17 kf morning jared :)
12:18 magnuse hiya jcamins
12:18 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6997] koha-remove leaves system in inconsistent state if there is an error <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6997>
12:18 jcamins magnuse: I have a couple of patches you might be interested in signing off on. Bug 6997, and bug 6913.
12:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6997 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, NEW , koha-remove leaves system in inconsistent state if there is an error
12:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6913 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, NEW , Improving koha-list and koha-create
12:23 magnuse cool, trouble is i'm running low on time, so i can't promise anything this week
12:25 jcamins No worries.
12:25 * jcamins doesn't particularly care if these changes get into 3.6, to be honest. He'll be running a custom branch regardless.
12:28 jcamins The packaging things are small, so maintaining them won't be any challenge at all.
12:34 magnuse jcamins: famous last words ;-) but yes, i see what you mean
12:39 oleonard nengard, what am I missing? http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=5824
12:39 nengard that my brain isn't working on this monday morning :)
12:39 nengard I looked at it like 4 times and could have sworn it was out of order :)
12:39 nengard hang on
12:40 nengard okay i'm losing it
12:42 Danielle You have good company. :-\
12:45 * oleonard is about to be trapped in an all-day staff meeting
12:45 kf oh
12:46 * kf sends cookies and water
13:02 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5616] UTF-8 problem in Card View <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5616>
14:27 nengard community we need feedback on bug 6488
14:27 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6488 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , opachiddenitems not working in master
14:32 wizzyrea heh.
14:32 wizzyrea you can't specify either 'and' or 'or'
14:32 wizzyrea because it's a
14:32 wizzyrea @quote get 123
14:32 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
14:33 wizzyrea someone's gonna want to do it either way
14:33 * jcamins wants to do it both ways.
14:33 jcamins Simultaneously.
14:33 wizzyrea see
14:33 wizzyrea (kinky)
14:33 jcamins (for justification, I refer you to quote 123 again:)
14:34 * wizzyrea doesn't think one ever needs justification for a quote 123 problem
14:34 wizzyrea all you gotta do is accommodate it without breaking it for everyone else.
14:34 wizzyrea (easier said than done, of course)
14:36 nengard hmmm
14:36 nengard who was the original developer? i'm wondering how they intended it to work
14:36 nengard i guess if it was OR originally it should work that way
14:36 nengard and then we can ask for an enhancement
14:38 wizzyrea that seems sensible.
14:39 Oak kia ora #koha
14:39 wizzyrea hi Oak
14:39 Oak hello kf :)
14:39 Oak hello wizzyrea :) how are you
14:39 wizzyrea doin ok, and you?
14:39 Oak i'm good
14:41 Oak about 8 pm here... so just sitting
14:50 kf hi Oak :)
14:51 kf hi wizzyrea :)
14:51 Oak hey
14:51 wizzyrea hi kf
15:16 ropuch What can be a cause of displaying content of header-inc template with messed encoding? Happening when I'm browsing members-home.pl/member.pl pages
15:16 ropuch The very same header-inc is just fine on other pages
15:19 slef what encodings does Tools: Page Info think a fine and a messed-up page has?
15:20 ropuch slef: it's recognized as utf8
15:21 slef both of them? Straaaange :(
15:21 ropuch yup
15:22 kf time to leave
15:22 kf bye all :)
15:22 ropuch Bye kf [;
15:29 ropuch slef: I can rule out wrong translation issue for sure
15:31 ropuch slef: I have tyoped some polish letters in english header-inc and it's look teh same: a mess in members-home.pl/member.pl, looks fine when on some other page
15:31 slef ropuch: my suspicion would be something in the member data triggering a browser bug, if you can find a pattern in which pages are wrong
15:32 slef ropuch: are you user the polish letters are utf-8 and not latin-2 (or whichever it is)
15:32 slef are you sure, even
15:32 ropuch Yes
15:33 slef hrm. I'm stumped. :(
15:33 ropuch Me too
15:37 ropuch memeberentry.pl and moremeber.pl don't have problem to display the same header-inc properly
15:37 slef you need to spot a pattern in what's triggering this :(
15:50 reiveune bye
15:58 ropuch slef: there's no problem after truncating koha database, so the actual members data are causing this
16:04 hdl nengard: what kind of feedback do you want ?
16:05 oleonard-away slef: Thank you for your answer on the list about why changing the subject line is potentially confusing. Well put.
16:05 nengard hdl you mean on that bug report? just how do people want it to work
16:06 hdl nengard: yes... what do you want as a feedback ?
16:06 nengard should it be AND or OR or both ?
16:06 slef oleonard-away: I suspect I upset him so I felt I should try to clear it up.
16:21 ropuch_ slef: think I got it: error was caused by non standard character in patron's category description
16:23 ropuch_ Which still is quite mysterious
16:40 slef grrrrrr why do library consultants defend the use of recaptcha, including the disabled=subhuman text?
16:44 slef it's unjust and isn't anti-spam anyway
17:17 * cait waves
17:19 * slef waves at cait and goes to get a drink
17:19 * libsysguy waives
17:19 cait hi :)
17:20 libsysguy long time no see everybody
17:21 libsysguy hi cait
17:26 wizzyrea hi libsysguy
17:26 wizzyrea afk, lunch.
17:26 libsysguy i am at my keyboard for lunch...maybe thats why there are so many crumbs
17:26 * libsysguy considers investing in a vaccume cleaner
17:33 cait for your keyboard?
17:34 libsysguy yes :)
17:40 libsysguy so I am trying to trouble shoot an issue that I am having with the lists
17:40 libsysguy and I have looked in the logs and I don't see anything
17:40 libsysguy so I am wondering if I am justing missing something
17:56 libsysguy sekjal you around?
17:56 cait libsysguy: what's your problem?
17:56 bg libsysguy: he's taking a holiday today
18:01 nengard libsysguy i think 'think geek' has a keyboard vacuum :)
18:01 libsysguy my problem with the list or my question for sekjal?
18:01 nengard if not they should :)
18:01 libsysguy i guess i could throw out both...when i do the multiple selection add for lists they don't save
18:02 nengard opac or staff client?
18:02 nengard and what version?
18:02 libsysguy I was going to ask sekjal about notices and my patch that paul failed :-\
18:02 libsysguy opac master merged with hourly
18:02 nengard going to test
18:02 libsysguy gracias nengard
18:02 libsysguy I don't think it is an issue in master but I just can't identify where im having an issue
18:03 nengard libsysguy it's working for me :(
18:03 nengard any strange characters in the titles you're adding to the list?
18:05 libsysguy no just searching for cats
18:06 libsysguy i can add them one at a time with the save to list link in the item
18:06 libsysguy just not though the add to list form
18:06 nengard browser version?
18:07 * nengard is grasping at straws
18:07 libsysguy chrome V 15.0.874
18:09 libsysguy not the browser...i just tried in IE9
18:09 libsysguy not surprising...but it didn't work there either lol
18:13 nengard heh
18:13 nengard i tried in ff7
18:13 nengard off to try chrome
18:14 nengard libsysguy are you getting the pop up?
18:14 nengard the one with the titles you're adding to the list?
18:15 nengard cause in chrome my pop up was blocked
18:27 libsysguy interesting
18:27 wahanui interesting is probably good
18:27 libsysguy let me check
18:27 libsysguy i don't get a warning about it in chrome
18:27 libsysguy did you?
18:29 libsysguy didn't work in ff
18:29 libsysguy I think margo is running something closer to 3.4
18:31 slef libsysguy: search for "desktop henry".
18:32 libsysguy sorry got kicked
18:32 libsysguy anyway...im assuming you mean from the opac slef
18:32 libsysguy and I am there
18:32 libsysguy one resuly
18:33 slef libsysguy: no, I mean for the vacuum
18:33 slef biab
18:33 libsysguy haha
18:34 libsysguy slef thats awesome
18:39 rangi morning
18:40 cait morning rangi
18:40 libsysguy morning rangi
18:40 rangi who won the pool ( or was it snooker?)
18:41 rangi @wunder wellington nz
18:41 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0�C (7:00 AM NZDT on October 11, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady).
18:42 rangi warm
18:42 nengard @wunder 19030
18:42 huginn nengard: The current temperature in Maple Point, Langhorne, Pennsylvania is 26.1�C (2:40 PM EDT on October 10, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 30.17 in 1021.6 hPa (Steady).
18:42 nengard warmer here :)
18:42 nengard it's like summer again
18:42 cait @wunder Konstanz
18:42 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 14.3�C (8:40 PM CEST on October 10, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 30.23 in 1023.6 hPa (Steady).
18:46 magnuse @wunder boo
18:46 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 8.0�C (8:20 PM CEST on October 10, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Windchill: 6.0�C. Pressure: 29.06 in 984 hPa (Steady).
18:46 magnuse summer is but a faint memory...
18:47 rangi heh
18:47 nengard wow
18:47 nengard chilly
18:47 magnuse nah, could have been worse
18:48 magnuse last year the first snow came while i was in nz
18:48 magnuse which is almost a year ago now
18:48 magnuse having said that, there is snow on the peaks now, down to about 500 meter above sea level
18:48 rangi wow that long ago
18:48 rangi no wonder I miss u guys
18:49 magnuse i left on the 19th of october
18:49 magnuse hehe, likewise!
18:49 magnuse and 3.2 was released on the 22nd!
18:49 rangi yep
18:51 rangi @later tell sekjal 5528 and 5549 are still fair game if we can get them tested before release so 12 days
18:51 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded.
18:51 magnuse bug 5528, bug 5549
18:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5528 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, tajoli, ASSIGNED , Analytical records support
18:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED , Hourly Loans
18:51 magnuse ooh, yes please ;-)
18:51 nengard ditto :)
18:52 nengard rangi we miss you too!! but i was lucky and saw you in June :)
18:52 rangi yeah june was awesome
18:56 rangi ppl still ask me 'is that a bong' about they ByWater halfyard on my desk
18:56 magnuse and some lucky folks in canada will have the pleasure real soon...
18:56 magnuse halfyard?!?
18:57 magnuse some kind of weird glass for beer, according to google image search?
18:57 rangi hmm im sure nengard has a photo of them?
18:59 rangi the whole booth was very cool
18:59 cait oh a lot of them on flickr :)
18:59 cait the violet things from ala?
19:00 nengard rangi i do
19:00 nengard let me find it
19:00 rangi thats them
19:00 rangi thanks nengard
19:02 nengard http://www.flickr.com/photos/nengard/5868789934/in/set-72157627041246884
19:02 rangi thanks
19:03 nengard there was a great one with a kid using it as a sippy cup
19:03 nengard i need to find it
19:03 rangi ah yeah
19:03 rangi I filled one with mango slushy on the last day :)
19:06 nengard found it
19:06 nengard http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150217879571765&set=o.277830850701&type=1
19:06 nengard but you have to be on facebook to see it
19:08 magnuse ah yes, thanks nengard
19:09 nengard woo hoo I reported bug 7000 :)
19:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7000 enhancement, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW , show home and holding branch on staff search results
19:09 nengard and it wasn't a bug
19:09 magnuse yay!
19:09 rangi Hehe
19:10 rangi lol it used to do that
19:10 rangi got taken off
19:10 magnuse hm, i'm imagining a graph with years or months on the x axis and number of bugs reported on the y axis...
19:11 magnuse doesn't seem long ago that we passed 6000?
19:11 rangi and the homeorholding syspref controlled what showed then that got change too
19:11 rangi koha comes round in a circle
19:11 rangi yeah was this year magnuse
19:11 magnuse wow
19:11 rangi ok my stop
19:12 rangi bbiab
19:17 rangi back
19:27 jcamins_away rangi: for the record, your proposal to add features makes sense to me.
19:27 rangi cool
19:28 jcamins_away rangi: worth redoing the patch for bug 6997 to use rm -f instead of [ -f $FILE ] && rm $FILE?
19:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6997 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, NEW , koha-remove leaves system in inconsistent state if there is an error
19:28 rangi hmmmm
19:28 rangi up to you, i think either way is ok
19:28 jcamins Then I'd just as soon not redo it.
19:28 jcamins Thanks.
19:31 oleonard-away rangi: Do you remember how it used to do it?
19:31 * oleonard-away should probably remember himself
19:32 rangi hmm i can try to find an old screenshot
19:36 jcamins Did I hear about someone making a bootable Koha demo CD?
19:36 jcamins Does anyone know who might have done that, and where whatever scripts are necessary for that might be?
19:37 rangi oh theres a bunch of them
19:38 rangi at least 5
19:38 rangi what is missing is one that uses the packages
19:39 * jcamins translates: no, I thought you were doing that, jcamins. ;)
19:39 rangi :)
19:40 rangi http://www.osslabs.biz/koha/livecd
19:40 rangi could ask amit or savitra :)
19:40 rangi ideally one that installs using th packages to make upgrading easy would be ideal
19:41 jcamins There's also the Linux Kiosk page on the wiki.
19:45 oleonard-away Someone needs some new screenshots: http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Programming/Libraries/Koha-16223.shtml
19:46 rangi heh yes
19:47 cait yet...
19:48 magnuse that's 2.x, right?
19:48 jcamins Woah! I don't think I ever saw it looking like that!
19:48 oleonard Yeah, 2.x
19:48 oleonard http://www.methven.com/nz/ranges/koha/
19:48 magnuse i had the pleasure of upgrading a 2.2.9 about a year ago...
19:48 rangi yeah, ive done a few
19:48 rangi it takes some effort
19:49 magnuse hey, i want bathroom stuff called koha!
19:49 magnuse in the end i exported the records and patrons just moved them over...
19:51 jcamins If only I had a lot more time than I do... there are so many interesting projects out there.
19:52 rangi yep there sure are
19:55 magnuse too true!
19:56 rangi https://metacpan.org/module/Data::Show
19:58 magnuse sounds useful!
19:59 * magnuse nids #koha a good night
20:00 rangi night mangus
20:14 nengard db documentation help - in the categories table - what is the fine type and what do the codes mean?
20:14 * rangi look
20:14 rangi s
20:15 cait f and fu and all those?
20:15 rangi finetype is not used
20:17 rangi i can find no reference to it in the code anywhere
20:17 rangi so i think its a candidate to be removed
20:18 nengard rangi i actually have data in that field in my db
20:19 nengard nevermind
20:19 rangi hmm i wonder where that came from
20:19 nengard table was wrapping
20:19 nengard on the screen
20:19 nengard :)
20:19 rangi :)
20:19 rangi that'd do it
20:22 nengard categories table documented and attached to bug 6716
20:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6716 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED , Database Documentation
20:22 nengard 4 trouble fields
20:22 nengard 2 unused (that i know of) and 2 i was unsure of
20:22 rangi cool
20:26 nengard k logging off for a bit
20:26 nengard ttyl
20:28 wizzyrea oh that's funny
20:28 wizzyrea if you do a search in the staff client
20:28 wizzyrea with quotes in it
20:28 wizzyrea the tickboxes are gone
20:29 wizzyrea search for a book
20:29 wizzyrea "m" is for malice or "bear" or whatever
20:29 cait wizzyrea: try a search for 5) - doesn't work too
20:29 wizzyrea right I knew about the parens
20:29 wizzyrea that's ooole
20:29 wizzyrea ooold
20:30 wizzyrea the search works
20:30 wizzyrea just the tickboxes are missing
20:31 rangi unescaped "" in the html?
20:31 wizzyrea must be
20:31 wizzyrea i'm workin on something else rather dire or I"d poke at it
20:32 rangi yup
20:32 wizzyrea http://screencast.com/t/HfAi35OzA with quotes http://screencast.com/t/sHen9LQKE without quotes
20:33 rangi a quick view source would tell ya
20:33 * rangi looks
20:33 rangi and close some tabs sheesh
20:33 wizzyrea lulz
20:33 wizzyrea my computer works just fine with that many, ty
20:34 rangi interesting
20:34 wahanui hmmm... interesting is sometimes bad or sometimes good
20:34 * wizzyrea channels her three year old "and I NEED them!"
20:34 rangi its only if you get a result
20:34 rangi ie if you dont get back a title that contains the "" its fine
20:34 wizzyrea oooo
20:35 rangi maybe
20:35 wizzyrea no, I don't think that's true
20:35 rangi at least i have checkboxes showing fine
20:35 wizzyrea ok
20:35 wizzyrea that's telling
20:35 wizzyrea perhaps we have something funny in our js
20:35 wizzyrea i will look
20:35 wizzyrea so just leave that one
20:35 wizzyrea for nwo
20:35 rangi :)
20:35 wizzyrea now
20:35 wizzyrea ty for double checking that
20:36 rangi no problemo
20:37 rangi oh i lie
20:37 rangi it works ok on one koha, not on the other!
20:37 wizzyrea keke
20:37 rangi http://demo-intra.mykoha.co.nz/cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/search.pl?q=%22bear%22
20:37 rangi staff
20:37 rangi staff1
20:37 wizzyrea o lookie there
20:38 wizzyrea something anything in intranetuserjs?
20:38 rangi thats 3.4.4
20:38 wizzyrea prolly not it's a demo
20:38 rangi hmm i wouldnt think so
20:38 wizzyrea naw it's empty
20:38 * wizzyrea took the liberty
20:39 rangi its what its there for
20:39 * rangi updates his master one
20:39 wizzyrea i was looking at our production server, which is master up to about a week ago
20:39 wizzyrea (that's where the grabs came from)
20:39 rangi yeah its ok on my master one
20:39 rangi weird
20:40 wizzyrea hrm
20:40 wizzyrea something in the last week that ifxed it?
20:40 wizzyrea ifxed is fixed
20:40 rangi i wouldnt have thought so
20:40 wizzyrea (unintentionally ^.^_
20:41 rangi <input type="checkbox" class="selection" id="bib2488" name="biblionumber" value="2488" style="display:none" />
20:41 rangi in the not working one
20:41 wizzyrea well display none would def do it
20:41 rangi <input type="checkbox" class="selection" id="bib2475" name="biblionumber" value="2475" style="display:none" />
20:41 rangi in the working one!
20:42 rangi so there must be something that turns them on
20:42 wizzyrea lol or not.
20:42 wizzyrea criminy.
20:42 rangi ah ha!
20:43 rangi http://demo-intra.mykoha.co.nz/cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/search.pl?q=%22bear%22
20:43 rangi notice its not showing the bar at all
20:44 rangi with the highlight/unhilight etc
20:44 wizzyrea oh I see
20:44 rangi yeah its gotta be some js/css thing
20:46 rangi yep broken js
20:46 rangi strQuery += "&" + "title" + "=" + "kw%2Cwrdl%3A%20"bear"";
20:47 rangi strQuery += "&" + "title" + "=" + "kw%2Cwrdl%3A%20%22bear%22";
20:48 wizzyrea oyyy
20:48 rangi (first one is obv the broken one)
20:52 rangi [% z3950_search_param.encvalue %]
20:54 cait | url?
20:55 rangi |html i think
20:55 rangi ahh
20:56 rangi yeah i think thats it
21:35 eythian http://www.bigtexan.com/free72.html <-- hungry?
21:36 melia gross
21:39 eythian what sort of Georgian are you?
21:39 melia hehe
21:40 eythian http://grooveshark.com/#/album/Princess+Ghibli/6050299 <-- music for today
22:14 cait night all
22:15 muddle Hi there! I'm fairly new to Koha and trying my first setup on Debian Squeeze using the "koha-common" package.
22:16 eythian cool
22:17 muddle Install seems fine, I created a site using "koha-create" - but can't login using the credetials inside my new "koha-conf.xml". Error log shows a lot of SQL errors.
22:17 eythian can you provide an example?
22:17 muddle Sure.
22:18 eythian also, what was your koha-create command line?
22:18 muddle http://mibpaste.com/ISyeKQ
22:19 eythian OK, that's kind of normal the first time.
22:19 muddle I ran: "koha-create --create-db abc"
22:19 eythian that's all good.
22:20 eythian If you go to the opac interface, it should ask you to use the details in koha-conf.xml to log in, and it'll set up the database for you.
22:20 rangi the staff interface that is
22:20 muddle I tried to login using "kohauser" and the password inside the XML file.
22:20 rangi :)
22:20 eythian err yes
22:20 eythian the staff interface
22:20 muddle Yep, exactly what I did.
22:20 rangi down the bottom
22:20 rangi not the zebrauser name
22:20 eythian don't use "kohauser"
22:20 rangi its very unlikely to be kohauser
22:20 eythian use the name that's in the file
22:20 rangi it will be soomethin like koha_abc
22:20 eythian like, 'koha_abc'
22:20 muddle Ah, ok. I'll check.
22:21 eythian where abc is what you put on koha-create
22:21 eythian (ndz in your case I suspect)
22:22 muddle Got it, thanks! Seems to work.
22:22 muddle Is that documented somewhere?
22:22 eythian sweet
22:22 eythian I'm not sure. Possibly not.
22:22 eythian It ought to be though
22:24 muddle Again, thanks. Trying to get a fresh install as I was having some problems with the preconfigured Koha Debian VM I tested (it would not properly update the Zebra Index).
22:25 eythian ah right. Hopefully the packages will do all that magically for you.
22:25 eythian (and if they don't, file a bug :)
22:25 muddle That's what I was hoping.
22:26 muddle One more think - if I may - is there some kind of "browse mode" inside the staff interface for the titles I entered?
22:26 muddle think = thing
22:27 eythian there's no browsing per se, typically the search interface is used.
22:27 eythian (browsing is kinda meaningless when there's 50,000 records)
22:28 muddle That is certainly true.
22:32 muddle Installation complete, seems to run fine - thank you!
22:33 eythian sweet
22:45 rangi packages++
22:49 liw eythian++
22:49 Judit hullo
22:49 eythian hi liw, Judit.
22:51 rangi hi liw, trea and Judit
22:51 trea hi rangi
22:51 rangi hows things?
22:53 Judit sunny!
22:54 eythian it's apparently 18�C here
22:54 eythian according to my computer
22:54 eythian metservice says 15, but it's still raining.
22:54 liw +19 in Montreal, but the sun already set
22:54 rangi you're in montreal?
22:55 liw for a business trip
22:55 rangi ahh cool
23:02 eythian @marc 264
23:02 huginn eythian: unknown tag 264
23:02 eythian you are so out of date
23:03 eythian it was added at least 2 weeks ago!
23:03 rangi http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd264.html
23:13 eythian any cataloguers around? Say I have an article from a magazine or similar (but not the whole magazine), where in MARC would I put the name of that source.
23:13 jcamins @marc 773
23:13 huginn jcamins: Information concerning the host item for the constituent unit described in the record (vertical relationship). In the case of host items that are serial or multi-volume in nature, information in subfields $g and $q is necessary to point to the exact location of the component part within the bibliographic item. (Repeatable) [b,d,g,h,i,k,m,n,o,p,q,r,s,t,u,w,x,y,z,3,6,7,8]
23:13 jcamins ^^ eythian
23:13 eythian jcamins: cheers
23:14 eythian jcamins: this also applies when you don't have the host item, just the article itself?
23:15 eythian looks like it does, from the examples
23:15 jcamins It does indeed.
23:15 Judit eythian, i have heard there are some nagios plugins for koha cooking somewhere. any update or eta you know of?
23:15 eythian Judit: yeah, I have some
23:16 eythian they're not as complete as I want, but you're welcome to use them
23:16 Judit hm
23:16 eythian http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/nagios
23:17 eythian add the catalyst repo to your git, and checkout the 'nagios' branch from it.
23:17 eythian I plan to make them interact smartly with the packages at some stage, that's why I haven't released them properly yet
23:17 Judit okay
23:18 Judit anything we can help with?
23:18 Judit other than testing
23:18 eythian mostly I want it to be able to work out what instances should be active, and test them all, so that you don't have to reconfigure nagios each time you add or remove a koha instance.