Time Nick Message 00:02 eythian @later tell NateC we had Abrakebabra for lunch. Just sayin' 00:02 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded. 00:04 rangi heh 01:21 wajasu my master git pull, dev install, has koha-httpd.conf with ScriptAlias /search "/home/koha344/prj/kohaclone/opac/opac-search.pl" in the opac section. but what should it be for the Intranet section. "/home/koha344/prj/kohaclone/search.pl" or maybe "/home/koha344/prj/kohaclone/catalogue/search.pl" (the 1st isnt there). or am i misconfigured. 01:22 wajasu i was comparin my 3.4.4 install to the master dev install. 01:29 wajasu and what should mt ScriptAlias be for /cgi-bin/koha/ in my intranet section? 01:30 jcamins_away wajasu: what's wrong with the koha-httpd.conf that comes with Koha? 01:31 jcamins_away It seems to me using the supplied one would be a lot easier and a lot less error-prone. 01:34 wajasu i don't have the a2enmod, a2ensite apache tools (archlinux apache httpd server). so i always have to teak my own. i really have to add <Directory "/home/koha344/prj/kohaclone ... "> direftive the file to get access, since everything is denied by default. 01:35 jcamins_away wajasu: couldn't you just do the traditional ln -s /etc/apache2/sites-available/koha /etc/apache2/sites-enabled ? 01:37 wajasu but when i was inspecting the ScriptAlias entries, i saw the intranet Virtualhost had ScriptAlias /search "/home/koha344/prj/kohaclone/search.pl" for my dev install. i'm trying to do a patch tonight. and archlinnux doesn't have /etc/apache2... 01:38 jcamins_away You must have Apache configuration files somewhere... 01:39 wajasu i have /etc/httpd/conf/... but no sites-available or sites-enabled. 01:39 jcamins_away Okay, just stick it in /etc/httpd/conf. 01:40 wajasu i linked that up fine.( ln -s). 01:40 jcamins_away Then enable mod_rewrite and you should be good to go. 01:40 wajasu what i an saying is: do you have /search working for intranet at :8080? 01:40 jcamins_away Ah. 01:40 jcamins_away Probably not. 01:41 eythian No, I don't think that's required 01:41 jcamins_away Nope. 01:41 jcamins_away eythian: mod_rewrite isn't required? 01:41 jcamins_away The instructions say to enable it. 01:41 jcamins_away wajasu: that is, no, /search doesn't do anything. 01:41 eythian rewrite is different 01:42 eythian the /search thing isn't required 01:42 jcamins_away Oh. Gotcha. 01:42 * jcamins_away is a bit tired. 01:42 eythian although I note it is set up for the staff client 01:42 wajasu its an old vestigal organ from days gone by. 01:42 eythian ScriptAlias /search "/usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/search.pl" 01:42 eythian it allows things like: RewriteRule ^/isbn/([^\/]*)/?$ /search?q=isbn:$1 [PT] 01:44 wajasu ScriptAlias /search "/home/koha344/prj/kohaclone/search.pl" is what my dev install (master pull) has. which points to nothing, unless a rewrite handle that. 01:45 eythian ls: cannot access /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/search.pl: No such file or directory 01:45 eythian same here 01:45 eythian I suspect it's been long broken 01:45 eythian and no one has ever tried to use it 01:45 wajasu thats what i am saying! 01:46 jcamins_away wajasu: sorry, I thought you were trying to write your own Apache config. 01:46 eythian So I think you'd be fine not setting it at all. 01:46 wajasu i'm about to run my master git pull, which will update, and was wiring up things and saw the discrepency. 01:46 eythian oh, me too 01:46 wajasu sorry. i just noticed it changed since 3.4.4 01:50 wajasu i also notice when i do a single or a dev install, my zebra-biblios.cfg, zebra-authorites.cfg and zebra-authorities-dom.cfg don't change the ModulesPath with my prefix. Is that OK. Probably typical. I change them to /home/koha344/usr/lib/idzebra-2.0/modules. I wish they got the /home/koha344 prefix put before /usr/lib/idzebra-2.0/modules lke everywhere else in the .cfg 01:50 rangi hmm that line is there in the 3.4.4 as well, in etc/koha-httpd.conf 01:51 eythian wajasu: the modules are defined by where you install zebra to, right? 01:51 eythian so how could the koha installer change them? 01:51 wajasu true 01:51 eythian If I do a dev install, my modules are still in /usr/lib/... 01:53 eythian it should really be defined by something in /etc that can be overridden on a case-by-case basis 01:55 wajasu it could only handle that if we put another question in the installer, or assume if i have a different prefix, that it would be consistent. 01:55 eythian everyone has a different prefix for dev installs 01:56 wajasu maybe another question in the installer for single and dev installs. 01:56 eythian or just install your zebra into the system location and have it not be a problem :) 01:56 wajasu true. 01:57 jcamins_away @later tell nengard This may sound kind of obvious, but a video on how to change your own password in Koha might not be a bad idea. 01:57 huginn jcamins_away: The operation succeeded. 01:59 wajasu if my DocumentRoot for opac is /home/koha344/prj/kohaclone/koha-tmpl will that give them access to intranet-tmpl too? I'll try. 02:02 eythian they don't run the files in -tmpl. 02:02 wajasu oh i see 02:02 wajasu its the cgi-bin stuff that matters 02:02 eythian yeah 02:04 wajasu so the cgi-bin for the intranet is? .../kohaclone? 02:05 wajasu i get that the opac is .../kohaclone/opac 02:33 wajasu trying to access the staff client, but get Software error: Can't locate DBI.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /home/koha344/prj/kohaclone /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl /usr/share/perl5/site_perl ... 02:34 jcamins_away Sounds like you're missing some Perl modules. 02:34 * eythian still thinks that running Debian would make life so much easier than Arch ;) 02:35 wajasu its the same user account as my 3.4.4 install, with its ~/.cpan that perlbrew populated. I have none missing, when i run koha_perl_deps.pl 02:35 jcamins_away Heh. 02:35 * jcamins_away agrees. 02:35 jcamins_away In that case, sounds like you need to add something to PERL5LIB. 02:36 jcamins_away No idea what. 02:36 wajasu maybe the PERL5LIB in koha_httpd.conf 02:36 jcamins_away Just speculating. 02:36 jcamins_away Yeah, that was my thought. 02:36 wajasu can i add multiple paths to that 02:36 jcamins_away I don't know. 02:36 jcamins_away Probably? 02:36 wahanui Probably is mate, Im not running the latest version on here. 02:37 eythian yes 02:37 wajasu i'll try to add my perlbrew based cpan 02:37 * eythian pats apt-get on the head. It's a good puppy. 02:38 wajasu and include the current one so i can get kohaclone/C4 02:41 * jcamins_away waves to sekjal. 02:42 sekjal hi, jcamins_away 02:44 jcamins_away Has anyone ever done an online survey for evaluating Koha? 02:45 jcamins_away Like, some sort of usability evaluation type thing. 02:50 * jcamins_away leaves everyone to ponder that thought, and goes to get some sleep. 02:50 jcamins_away Good night, #koha 02:54 eythian http://www.flickr.com/photos/volcanologist/5677820110/lightbox/ 02:55 rangi heh 02:55 rangi http://haveyouseenthisflyer.com/ 02:56 rangi i still like the dog one 02:56 rangi http://www.neatorama.com/2009/02/19/have-you-seen-this-dog/ 04:27 * Oak waves 04:53 rangi hey cait 04:53 cait evening rangi :) 04:54 * rangi is on the bus home 04:54 * cait is getting ready for work :) 06:18 liw rangi, I might be possible to persuade to go to Edinburgh for KohaCon and give a brief talk on... Debian packaging? 06:19 rangi perfect! 06:20 cait :) 06:28 alex_a hello :) 06:58 paul_p good morning #koha 07:02 francharb hi #koha 07:55 kf good morning #koha 07:59 ropuch hello kf [; 08:00 kf hi ropuch! 08:00 kf nice to see you 10:02 reiveune hello 10:03 kf hi reiveune 12:11 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6943] Create new budget from a copy of a previous budget <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6943> 12:26 oleonard Happy Friday #koha 12:33 oleonard Hello to both paul_p's 12:33 paul_p_ hi oleonard ;-) 12:34 * oleonard was just testing Bug 5877 12:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5877 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , Offline circulation improvements : upload all files, apply at once 12:34 oleonard No, not that one. 12:34 oleonard Bug 5981 12:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5981 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, alex.arnaud, ASSIGNED , OPAC: Add limits to search history 12:49 kf happy friday oleonard :) 12:51 * oleonard could have sworn he fixed Bug 6947 once before 12:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6947 minor, P5, ---, ian.walls, NEW , OPAC top-issues doesn't respect item-level itypes 12:53 oleonard Bug 3459 12:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3459 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, RESOLVED FIXED, topissues doesn't take care of ccode. 12:54 oleonard Different I guess. 12:56 oleonard Hm, so Bugzilla now lists rel_2_2, rel_3_0, rel_3_2, rel_3_4, rel_3_6, and Rel_3_8. And now my teeth hurt. 13:01 rh_at_lita @seen wizzyrea 13:01 huginn rh_at_lita: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 15 hours, 51 minutes, and 27 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> the carrying capacity of an unladen african swallow 13:14 * oleonard wonders how kf managed to collect so much gold 13:20 * oleonard tries the KOCT in Firefox 7 but it doesn't appear to work 13:20 rh_at_lita koct? 13:20 oleonard https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/koct/ 13:21 kf oleonard: gold digger genes? 13:21 kf oleonard: but it was really hard to get that chocolate fish! 13:25 kf s/gold digger/something nicer 13:25 kf s/something nicer/gold miner 13:36 oleonard KOCT works in FF3.6, but it's really annoying that it doesn't save the patron barcode between transactions 13:37 maximep oleonard: thanks for the follow-up patch in bug 6945 =) 13:37 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6945 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, pelletiermaxime, ASSIGNED , Add a link to show a MARC preview in the normal view 13:37 oleonard Sure. I liked the idea to add the preview, so I was happy to contribute. 13:47 kf maximep: was happy to see the budget duplicate feature! 13:47 kf hope to find time testing it 13:47 kf lots of libraries have asked me about a feature like that when I was presenting acq 13:47 maximep cool! :D 13:48 paul_p oleonard, what do you mean by doesn't appear to work ? 13:49 oleonard When I enter a patron card and item barcode and click "save" nothing happens. 13:49 oleonard No message that anything has been added, nothing in the log 13:49 paul_p mmm... strange works for me (just checked) 13:50 paul_p I get the "1 row added", "2 rows added" ... 13:50 oleonard Really? I'll have to check again. It may be a compatibility issue with one of my other addons. 13:50 paul_p or mac ? 13:50 * oleonard has a password-manager addon that causes all kinds of trouble 13:53 jcamins Good morning, #koha 13:57 rhcl_lita jcamins 14:01 jcamins rhcl_lita: how's LITA? 14:01 jcamins (I gather that's where you are?) 14:11 rhcl_lita yep, at the preconference. Session discussing cloud (Amazon AWS mostly), workshop on setting up instances and managing machines 14:11 rhcl_lita discussion of vufind DSpace, etc 14:11 jcamins AWS is pretty nifty. Learning anything useful? 14:12 rhcl_lita Yep, I have been intending to setup something on Amazon for a while, and just haven't gotten around to it, but this session is encouraging me to do something. 14:14 jcamins rhcl_lita: one of the features that I find really intriguing is RDS. Seems like a great way to manage a database. 14:14 rhcl_lita Presenter just talked about that--does sound good 14:16 jcamins Also nifty is the fact that they now offer a memcached server. 14:17 rhcl_lita jineshvaria.s3.amazonaws.com/public/cloudbestpractices-jvaria.pdf 14:21 jcamins They're up to Firefox 7? That was fast. 14:21 wizzyrea ^^ this makes me annoyed. 14:21 * oleonard too 14:23 trea pushing minor revisions into a product, and giving said product a whole new version number is no bueno. 14:24 oleonard Reminds me of something, it does. 14:35 nengard can someone tell me the values that can be found in constrainttype in the reserves table and what they mean? 14:35 * wizzyrea wishes the kiwis were up, I have a packaging question 14:36 wizzyrea nengard, sec 14:37 jcamins wizzyrea: a packaging question? I always find that asking my packaging question of the channel at large is a sure-fire way to realize my question had an obvious answer. ;) 14:37 wizzyrea more to do with building packages 14:38 maximep well firefox7 has big memory usage improvements. I don't even remember if ff6 had anything new :S 14:38 wizzyrea recent benchmarks say that 7 is faster than chrome 14:38 wizzyrea which would be great, because JEBUS firefox was a dog for a while 14:39 rhcl_lita any lightning comments on vufind? 14:39 wizzyrea an old dog. That couldn't see. 14:39 jcamins wizzyrea: yeah, those are the questions that I always find the answer to immediately after revealing my ignorance. 14:40 maximep firefox is so much better for my use case of opening hundreds of tabs in tab groups. Chrome couldn't do that 14:40 wizzyrea speak to me of this "tab groups" feature 14:40 * wizzyrea is also a zillions of tabs type 14:40 jcamins maximep: that sounds like something wizzyrea could use. 14:40 sekjal can anyone here change the maximum attachment size in bugs.k-c.org? 14:40 wizzyrea ^^ see, they know me ;) 14:40 wizzyrea gmcharlt might be able to 14:40 wizzyrea ping gmcharlt 14:41 maximep for every projct I work on I create a new tab group. This way it's all organized and doesn't need to open all the tabs every time 14:41 jcamins Grr. I can't find this book. 14:41 sekjal I want to attach an example for bug 6789 to make it easier to test, but the test by it's nature requires a file larger than the current 1000KB limit 14:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6789 minor, P5, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED , Biblios with many items can result in broken search results links 14:41 maximep ctrl+shift+e is bery useful =) 14:42 wizzyrea this seems compelling. 14:42 wizzyrea sekjal - you could (temporarily) host it elsewhere and post a link? 14:42 wizzyrea not optimal, but doable 14:43 rhcl_lita @seen paul_p 14:43 huginn rhcl_lita: paul_p was last seen in #koha 52 minutes and 31 seconds ago: <paul_p> or mac ? 14:43 wizzyrea nengard the only constrainttype I'm seeing is 'a' 14:43 paul_p rhcl_lita, you need me ? 14:43 wizzyrea and as to what that means... good question 14:44 rhcl_lita do you have any libraries running vufind (realizing you are a Solr promoter)? A Bangladesh library is the only one listed running Koha and VUfind. 14:44 rhcl_lita http://vufind.org/wiki/installation_status 14:45 jcamins wizzyrea: by the way, what was your packaging question. I probably won't know the answer, but it's possible. 14:46 paul_p rhcl_lita, nope, we don't have anyone running vufind 14:46 nengard wizzyrea me too 14:46 nengard do we know what 'a' is? 14:47 nengard jcamins video idea added to my listr 14:47 nengard list 14:47 * oleonard gives these tab groups things a try 14:47 sekjal wizzyrea: done, added link on bug report back to ByWater site 14:49 wizzyrea sekjal: it at least lets you get the work done :) 14:51 nengard in the same table (reserves) any idea what goes in notificationdate and reminderdate? it's not when a notice is sent ? cause i just tried that 14:52 oleonard I don't think those are used nengard 14:52 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6789] Biblios with many items can result in broken search results links <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6789> 14:54 nengard and finally in that table ? lowestPriority appears to always be 0 14:54 nengard any idea what it's used for? 14:54 oleonard Is it for when you "pin" someone at the bottom of the holds list? 14:55 nengard then wouldn't their priority number show that? 14:55 nengard let me try 14:56 nengard oleonard i'm not sure pinning even works 14:56 nengard fyi 14:57 wizzyrea certainly the buttons were messed up 14:57 wizzyrea eythian was supposed to be coming up for a fix for it... I can't remember if that got in 14:57 * wizzyrea checks 14:57 nengard the buttons move the person to the bottom but if i add someone else that new person goes below them 14:58 nengard pinning sounds like the bottom person shoould stay at the bottom 14:58 nengard anyway that field never changes in the db 14:58 nengard it's always 0 for me 14:58 nengard phone call time 15:00 wizzyrea same for me 15:06 oleonard Left without saying goodbye! 15:07 wizzyrea yay reiveune is back! 15:07 reiveune not for a long time, 15:07 reiveune :) I'll be back 15:08 reiveune by 15:10 wizzyrea oh there we go 15:10 wizzyrea at least he said goodbye that time. 15:10 wizzyrea :) 15:12 kf nengard: I think priority number would now show because it should always resort them to be the last - so changing numbers 15:13 kf hm scrolling down would be good... *sighs* 15:19 wizzyrea hi kf :) 15:19 wizzyrea glad you're back 15:22 Oak hello #koha 15:22 rhcl_lita hi hi 15:23 Oak :) :) 15:24 slef oh wow. Is my nick feminine, masculine, or neutral? 15:24 Oak neutral I think 15:24 slef I didn't pick it. I never even considered this before. 15:24 kf I know the problem 15:25 wizzyrea neutral, in both cases. 15:25 wizzyrea :P 15:25 slef ok, I've put that in 15:26 * oleonard pondered for a moment what feminine names start with "O" 15:26 Oak Olga 15:26 wizzyrea Olivia 15:26 slef Odd-job 15:26 wizzyrea Octavia 15:26 slef this is always one of two problems I have with gender/participation surveys... I don't really pay much attention to it 15:26 * jcamins considers his neutral. He could be "Joan Camins." Actually, he keeps on getting e-mails for her. 15:27 slef jcamins: I keep getting emails for a school near London. 15:27 rhcl_lita I think slef is masculine - sounds like a Scandinavian mythical character 15:27 oleonard Oh yeah, I've gotten emails for Orla Leonard 15:28 oleonard In particular because she puts in my email address when trying to reset her passwords 15:28 kf marc makes my brain hurt :( 15:28 jcamins That is not a name I've heard before. 15:28 slef rhcl_lita: actually, if you want to look at Scandinavians, SLEF is the Swedish Lutheran Evangelical Foundation; and I believe it's a word in Icelandic 15:28 jcamins kf: as it does to everyone's brain. :( 15:29 slef jcamins: there's a BBC reporter called Orla Guerin... was in the middle East last I remember 15:30 kf yeah, but it doesn't help when 3 different fields from union catalog end up in the same marc field :( 15:30 oleonard Uh oh, Orla hasn't updated her Twitter since August. Maybe because she can't reset her password? 15:30 kf @marc 581 15:30 huginn kf: A citation to or information about a publication that is a study or analysis of the described materials. (Repeatable) [a,z,3,6,8] 15:31 kf jcamins: can you shorten that to a label for me? plz? :) 15:32 kf jcamins: never mind, I think I found something 15:33 jcamins kf: I'd have to think about that a bit. 15:34 kf it's ok :) 15:34 kf no reason to make your brain hurt - I will ask the library what they want 15:34 jcamins :) 15:34 wizzyrea she sends them to your acpl email? 15:34 wizzyrea or your gmail 15:37 oleonard gmail 15:37 slef kf, jcamins: http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd5xx.html calls it "Publications About Described Materials Note" - not sure what copyright licence that's under, though. 15:37 jcamins slef: I think the problem is that it needs a _short_ label. 15:38 slef like how short? 15:38 slef Materials Publications Note? 15:38 * oleonard thinks we need a Tags component for Bugzilla 15:38 slef trouble is you lose meaning all the while 15:39 jcamins slef: yeah, that's the problem. 15:39 jcamins But I think that's the length kf was looking for. 15:40 Oak give it a nickname 15:41 jcamins Like "Ben"? 15:41 wizzyrea "tickles" 15:41 Oak how about Maria 15:41 Oak hehe 15:41 Oak tickles :) 15:43 jcamins Oy. I have a 10am and a 6:30pm on Monday. 15:43 Oak good luck! 15:44 jcamins Oak: they're not daunting meetings, just widely spaced. 15:44 Oak :) still, a meeting is a meeting 15:45 jcamins True. 15:46 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6716] Database Documentation <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6716> 15:47 rhcl_lita re: VUFind I love the 'text this' option in the catalog. 15:47 rhcl_lita It saves paper, I don't have to find the scrap of paper I wrote on, and I don't have to wonder if I transposed the call number. 15:48 rhcl_lita Wonder what that would cost for Koha? 15:49 jcamins rhcl_lita: talk to sekjal about it. He was working on it. 15:50 sekjal rhcl_lita: we're looking at an SMS::Send::Driver-less way of doing SMS in Koha 15:51 sekjal don't have the estimate yet; it would likely involve us tracking the patron's cell provider 15:51 wizzyrea what i'm wondering 15:51 wizzyrea is why don't we use email 15:51 * oleonard thinks the scrap of paper would be cheaper, but he doesn't have a texting plan 15:51 wizzyrea to email sms's to phones 15:51 rhcl_lita why would you have to track the cell provider? Just have a pull down list and let the patron enter the cell phone number 15:51 wizzyrea put the info in the subject, done. 15:52 wizzyrea but you'd have to store that, right rhcl? 15:52 wizzyrea hence, tracking. 15:52 jcamins sekjal: ooh! I bet you left NYU before they implemented GetIt. 15:52 jcamins sekjal: one moment while I get you a link. 15:52 sekjal jcamins: thanks 15:54 jcamins Hm. 15:54 * oleonard realizes if we added a Tags component to Bugzilla there would be no one to be default asignee 15:54 jcamins This is a bit problematic. 15:54 jcamins Oh, never mind, here's a short URL. 15:54 jcamins https://getit.library.nyu.edu/go/2694595 15:54 jcamins Note the "Send to phone" option on the right. 15:54 rhcl_lita sekjal: why store? let the patron enter it, send the sms, then >/dev/null it. 15:55 jcamins Note that last I heard, the Send to phone service was _incredibly_ popular. 15:55 jcamins Even without any way to link it to the patron's account. 15:55 sekjal rhcl_lita: that wouldn't be so bad; could control with an Auth Value 15:55 rhcl_lita oops, should have been directed to wizzyrea 15:56 wizzyrea meh 15:56 kf rhcl_lita: I think the problem is that someone has to pay for the sms - usually the sender 15:56 wizzyrea both, usually. 15:56 sekjal jcamins: yes, we could do it just like NYU Bobst is doing 15:56 jcamins kf: in the US, it's possible to send it so that the recipient pays. 15:56 sekjal their mechanism sends the SMS over email 15:57 jcamins sekjal: exactly. It's really cool. 15:57 sekjal that's why you need to know the provider, so you know the email domain 15:57 rhcl_lita kf: humm, can't be nearly what ILL costs us. And you could always email to sms via a gateway 15:57 wizzyrea idk why we don't just do emails in the first place. 15:58 kf rhcl_lita: not sure if things are different here 15:58 kf rhcl_lita: I only know of one ils here that can send sms and it requires you to buy 'batches' of sms, like buy 10000 text messages to be sent out 15:58 kf from a provider 15:58 rhcl_lita http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_SMS_gateways 15:58 kf at least it was like that when I asked a few years back on library congress 16:00 sekjal brb 16:00 rhcl_lita donno, seems pretty simple to me. Just get the input phone and service, pipe that into a script which creates an email and send. 16:02 kf rhcl_lita: you might be right - would be very cool 16:12 slef oh hell it's mailman day 16:17 rhcl_lita time for chow @ the hyatt 16:20 oleonard paul_p still around? 16:22 oleonard Or anyone who is familiar with the offline circ tool? 16:22 * oleonard is wondering about the buttons which say "Commit to Koha" and "Apply directly"... 16:22 jcamins Argh! When did Portrayed become Depicted? 16:23 wizzyrea oleonard the firefox addon? 16:23 oleonard Yeah 16:23 * wizzyrea has it installed 16:23 wizzyrea where do you see that? 16:24 oleonard The Log tab 16:27 oleonard Where does it save the data? 16:28 wizzyrea that is a very good question. 16:37 Oak http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Offline_circulation_firefox_plugin 16:39 oleonard Yeah, that page shows a screenshot of a page in Koha which isn't actually in Koha as far as I can tell. 16:39 oleonard "Process pending offline circulations?" 16:41 maximep there's a ff plugin to do offline circ ? cool 16:41 maximep no link to it on that wiki page ? 16:42 wizzyrea it's called KOCT 16:42 wizzyrea it's in the firefox plugin repository 16:42 oleonard Cool except it doesn't seem to work maximep 16:42 jcamins Koha Offline Circulation Tool? 16:42 jcamins (guessing what the acronym is) 16:42 oleonard Koha Offline Circulation Tool is https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/koct/ 16:42 jcamins Ah, cool, I was right. :) 16:48 oleonard Koha Offline Circulation Tool? 16:48 wahanui Koha Offline Circulation Tool is https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/koct/ 16:48 oleonard KOCT is Koha Offline Circulation Tool 16:48 oleonard KOCT? 16:48 wahanui KOCT is Koha Offline Circulation Tool 17:32 jcamins nengard_lunch: cn_sort is a normalized form of the itemcallnumber used for sorting. 17:34 nengard_lunch thanks 17:34 nengard_lunch i'll add it 17:36 jcamins You're welcome. Enjoy lunch. 17:39 slef KOCT is also https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/koct/ 17:39 wahanui okay, slef. 17:43 cait hi #koha 17:43 slef hi cait 17:44 cait hi slef :) 17:44 * slef prods this migrating Koha 17:46 cait ? 17:47 slef it's being a bit slow.... it's only 6kbiblios 17:51 cait not a lot 17:51 cait should load quickly? 17:51 slef yeah... I think I can see why they want a new server! 17:51 slef this is getting the data out which is being slow 18:05 * oleonard-away idly wonders whether slef has ever been identified as S. Lef. 18:06 slef oleonard: NAFAIK 18:06 * cait wears her feminine nick tonight 18:30 oleonard I might be nice to have a database update log for keeping track of what updates have been applied via updatedatabase.pl 18:31 cait hm, would not be hard probably? 18:32 oleonard It would be relevant to only a small subset of users, but useful for developers and testers 18:32 cait yes 18:45 slef oleonard: like a table listing all update UUIDs, with updates just being SQL files added to a directory and maybe a tracking file. 18:50 maximep how do I make translatable strings in a .pl ? 18:50 maximep is there a way ? 18:50 maximep there's so many strings not translated that are in .pl files :/ 18:50 oleonard Move them to the template 18:53 cait yep 18:53 cait maximep: all that should be in templates, not in the pl files 18:54 maximep C4::Letters::EnqueurLetter takes a parameter with the title and content of the message 18:54 maximep I don't know how I could pu that in a template 18:55 cait hm 18:55 cait notices 18:55 cait normally it should be a template from tools > notices 18:55 cait that defines the subject and content 18:55 oleonard maximep: Consider filing a bug, "Move untranslatable strings into templates" and then create blocking bugs for each instance 18:55 cait are we talking about the address change mail? 18:56 maximep cait: ah, I see 18:56 maximep yeah I remember using that 19:00 maximep I have never sent a patch with a database change (well, adding a new line in the letter table in this case) before 19:00 maximep is there something on a wiki on this ? 19:01 cait there is 19:01 cait let me get the link for you 19:01 cait http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Tutorial_for_Updating_Database_Files 19:02 cait what you have to do 19:03 cait create a patch with kohastructure.sql changed 19:03 cait and updatedatabase.pl with a new entry 19:03 cait leave version number at XXX in updatedatabase 19:03 cait for testing your patch yourself, change the xxx to be the next number and change kohversion.pl (I think) accordingly 19:04 cait when starting your koha it will compare the number from kohaversion to the number in your database and start the update 19:04 * cait hopes she explained that right 19:07 maximep yes you did 19:07 maximep ok, then I will send a patch soon 19:07 maximep or maybe several patches 19:08 maximep just looked at that wiki page. You were a *lot* clearer than it lol 19:09 cait I tried :) 19:09 cait looked at it myself and decided I should try.., 19:10 cait what you can also do is find a nice easy patch to copy from - like a new syspref being added 19:10 cait to see which files have to be touched 19:18 * slef curses ISBD principles and all who sail in them. 19:18 jcamins slef: are they so bad as all that? 19:18 slef jcamins: yeah when people follow 95% of them. 19:19 slef they're just enough to cause trouble 19:20 jcamins Heh. 19:20 slef "Why haven't you converted these records correctly? We used ISBD punctuation rules." "Not on that one you didn't" "Oh" 19:24 cait lol 19:25 cait so give them a list to correct manually? 19:25 slef yeah... 5% of 6k is 300... 19:25 jcamins Pfft. 19:25 slef I'll give them a list. Doubt they'll correct them. 19:26 * slef leaves the import churning 19:28 wizzyrea does anybody know what the standard field for fines data is in SIP 19:28 wizzyrea it needs to be added to the output, apparently 19:29 wizzyrea (and yea, I know it puts fine data in the screen note - that's not the right place) 19:29 wizzyrea patron expiry, for the record, is in the wrong place as well. 19:29 wizzyrea (also in the screen note) 19:32 cait you mean the date? 19:32 cait and the fine amount? 19:34 wizzyrea yea 19:35 sekjal wizzyrea: do you mean fee paid messaging? 19:41 wizzyrea as an example 19:45 pastebot "wizzyrea" at 24.124.17.146 pasted "SIP response example" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/65 19:45 wizzyrea that Patron owes $10.00 19:45 wizzyrea there's supposedly a field for the $10 19:46 wizzyrea so in envisionware 19:46 wizzyrea they have a rule you can make 19:46 wizzyrea fine owed equals 19:46 wizzyrea | greater than | less than 19:46 wizzyrea but that won't work 19:46 cait hm there is field with 10.00 in it 19:46 wizzyrea because the data isn't in the field EW is looking for 19:46 cait y|BLY|CQN|BV10.00|CC10| 19:47 wizzyrea cait++ 19:47 * wizzyrea missed that 19:47 * wizzyrea tries the rule again 19:47 wizzyrea i will laugh so. very. hard. if this works. 19:48 oleonard Happy weekend all 19:48 cait bye owen 19:48 cait wow, I managed to say bye to owen before he left! 19:48 * cait tries again 19:48 cait have a nice weekend oleonard 19:48 cait ok, now the world is back to normal :) 19:49 wizzyrea can I kiss you if this works, cait? 19:49 cait um 19:49 cait k? 19:53 * wizzyrea kisses cait 19:53 * cait blushes 19:53 * wizzyrea bounces and squees 19:53 wizzyrea you know that feeling, when someone gets huffy with you and you know you tested it, and it worked the last time 19:53 wizzyrea and you think that you did it wrong or something, but it turns out you didn't 19:54 rangi no you can go 19:54 wizzyrea and you were right all along? 19:54 rangi "IN YOUR FACE!!!" 19:54 wizzyrea yes. That. 19:54 rangi yep i know that well 19:54 rangi :) 19:54 cait of course 19:54 cait now you are showing up 19:54 wizzyrea thanks cait :) 19:54 cait when all the work is done :) 19:54 cait yvw liz :) 19:55 wizzyrea cait++ for her usual brilliance 19:55 cait hmpf 20:02 wizzyrea so, just in case you are wondering 20:02 wizzyrea for envisionware 20:02 wizzyrea http://screencast.com/t/yRm9nsmA 20:03 wizzyrea that's how you set up rules for patron expired, and block over x fines owed 20:47 rhcl_lita koha in the cloud mentioned @lita - twittag #libcloud 20:51 jcamins rhcl_lita: wave to Heather Moulaison for me. :) 20:52 rhcl_lita yea, ok. 20:52 jcamins Thanks. 20:52 jcamins Oh, Edward's the other speaker? 20:52 jcamins Wave to him, too. 20:53 rhcl_lita Huh, OK. 20:54 jcamins Thanks. :) 20:54 rhcl_lita they will know you by name presumably? 20:54 jcamins Yup. 20:54 cait wizzyrea++ :) 20:54 cait good night all! 20:55 jcamins Good night. 20:55 wizzyrea cait is sneaky 20:55 wizzyrea gnite :) 20:55 jcamins It's always exciting to discover that I know the speakers at conferences. :) 20:56 rhcl_lita u should be her 20:56 rhcl_lita here 20:56 jcamins I'm getting out of technology. Didn't you know that? :P 20:57 rhcl_lita well, no, I guess I didn't 20:57 * jcamins waits for the laughter to die down. ;) 20:59 rhcl_lita who knows, you might want to go meditate in a Buddhist monastary in nepal for a few years. It happens. 20:59 jcamins rhcl_lita: that does sound tempting... 21:00 rhcl_lita I hear the chow isn't that great. 21:01 jcamins rhcl_lita: yeah, but are you distracted by the thought of buying real estate? 21:02 rhcl_lita ? non sequitur? 21:02 rhcl_lita session over, gotta move... 21:02 jcamins rhcl_lita: yeah, I just happen to be distracted by the thought of buying real estate. Enjoy the rest of LITA. :) 21:22 rhcl_lita jcamins: both presenters pleased to hear from you; returned greeting 21:23 jcamins rhcl_lita: thanks. :)