Time  Nick       Message
00:01 Judit      morning
00:02 eythian    no it isn't
00:02 Judit      it is
00:02 eythian    it's afternoon
00:02 Judit      morning
00:03 eythian    you're just being contrary now. That's what happens when you live in the past.
00:03 Judit      :)
00:04 Judit1     i prefer the past over the future: it is nice and worm here
00:05 Judit1     i bet it is raining over there
00:05 Judit1     warm
00:05 eythian    actually, it's sunny.
00:05 eythian    Which is a change really.
00:05 ibeardslee only just
00:05 eythian    it is out my window, anyway
00:42 jcamins    eythian: I realized the backup script could use the Koha MySQL user if the user had replication slave privileges. What are your thoughts on giving the Koha user replication slave privileges?
01:27 phlunk3    hey guys, I am trying to transfer a database from another koha installation to my current install (to use the new data instead) and have ended up with the issue that koha can't connect to my newly created database, I guess I don't know what db name it is trying to access, can someone point me to the config file which holds the database settings for koha 3.4.2?
01:29 eythian    phlunk3: it's in the koha-conf.xml
01:29 phlunk3    tx
01:29 eythian    jcamins: I'm not totally sure what the effects of that would be, but it sounds like a good approach on the surface. Bonus points if it can query its permissions first, and maybe give a warning of the correct ones don't exist.
01:31 phlunk3    I've given the user which my library is using full access to the database required, except for grant. any reason why it would still be returning a failure to connect message?
01:32 jcamins    eythian: I'm not entirely sure what the ramifications of adding the replication slave privilege would be, either.
01:33 jcamins    eythian: but that's how I'm dealing with my remote databases, and I realized there was no reason that it had to be a separate user.
01:33 eythian    phlunk3: incorrect password? typo in the database name? not granted access to connect from localhost? could be many things.
01:34 phlunk3    yeah I meant besides connection issues, as that all seems fine. Shall try dropping db and recreating, maybe there is something wacky server side.
01:36 ibeardslee check the ownership of the database
01:37 ibeardslee the 'old' install could have a different owner than the 'new' one is expected to be
01:39 phlunk3    owner? I have just done this but it doesn't seem to be enough: grant all on koha_library.* to koha_user@'localhost';
01:39 ibeardslee postgres?
01:39 phlunk3    using mysql
01:40 ibeardslee oh
01:42 phlunk3    was my bad, password issue.
01:43 phlunk3    so anyway, I have imported a db from an older version into my new version, can I simply run the koha-upgrade-to-3.4 script and it will handle the database stuff? or is there something more I need to do?
01:44 phlunk3    more or less just running a test case to find the quickest way for me to upgrade a lot of different koha installs to the same version and at the same time move them to a uniform vm
01:46 eythian    phlunk3: run koha-upgrade-schema first
01:46 eythian    and then koha-upgrade-to-3.4
01:46 phlunk3    thanks
01:46 eythian    in hindsight, I should have made upgrade-to-3.4 check the schema first.
01:47 eythian    (koha-upgrade-schema requires the instance name, koha-upgrade-to-3.4 doesn't)
01:52 jcamins    eythian: is there any way to install two versions of the Koha package, so you can gradually upgrade instances?
01:53 eythian    jcamins: no, that would be very difficult :)
01:54 eythian    I tend to move the data to a test server and upgrade it there to make sure everything is going to be OK
01:56 jcamins    eythian: okay, that's what I figured.
02:11 phlunk3    thanks eyth that worked a treat, seems the only thing not working now is the search, is there a wildcard which we can use in the search fields of koha?
02:12 eythian    I usually use 'a', because almost all records have it somewhere.
02:13 phlunk3    okay then I've got the error with zebra not being indexed properly I guess, zebra is also used in the frontend search right? for users and not for librarians I mean.
02:13 eythian    it's used for everything that's not a simple field lookup, yeah.
02:13 eythian    are your zebra processes running? easy test: sudo /etc/init.d/koha-common restart
02:13 eythian    that'll make sure they are.
02:15 phlunk3    good point, I recall that being an issue for me once before, shall check.
02:18 phlunk3    hmmz this seems very wrong, but if you could look and confirm that it'd be great lol.
02:18 pastebot   "Phlunk3" at 116.251.188.152 pasted "ps ax|grep zebra" (5 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/39
02:19 eythian    you don't appear to have a zebra server running
02:19 phlunk3    will try find the command to restart the thing
02:20 eythian    there is a rebuild going on, and the daemon command thinks it's restarted zebra, but it's not actually running.
02:20 eythian    I don't know why that would be.
02:20 phlunk3    yeah, the first two entries disappeared now, not sure why they were running tbh as I didn't manually call them
02:21 eythian    they run automatically
02:21 phlunk3    ahh okay :)
02:21 phlunk3    do you know the command I need to restart the zebra process?
02:21 eythian    sudo /etc/init.d/koha-common start
02:24 pastebot   "Phlunk3" at 116.251.188.152 pasted "after start" (2 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/40
02:25 phlunk3    seems like thats not starting, should it be logging the error to start anywhere?
02:25 eythian    /var/log/koha/mylibrary/zebra-error.log possibly
02:26 eythian    does it say anything when you start it?
02:26 phlunk3    no but it is logging it, moment will paste last few lines
02:26 eythian    Like, 'Starting Zebra server for mylibrary'?
02:27 pastebot   "Phlunk3" at 116.251.188.152 pasted "20110920 14:24:47 mylibrary-ko" (9 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/41
02:27 phlunk3    sorry brb got a phone call
02:29 eythian    phlunk3: run this: sudo -u mylibrary-koha zebrasrv -v all -f /etc/koha/sites/mylibrary/koha-conf.xml
02:29 eythian    that should manually start it, and give you a pile of debug output. A working version looks like:
02:29 pastebot   "eythian" at 202.78.240.7 pasted "Good zebra output" (47 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/42
02:30 pastebot   "Phlunk3" at 116.251.188.152 pasted "sudo -u mylibrary-koha zebrasrv -v all -f /etc/koha/sites/mylibrary/koha-conf.xml" (33 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/43
02:30 eythian    ohh
02:31 eythian    are you on ubuntu?
02:31 phlunk3    yes
02:31 eythian    bother, I thought that bug had been fixed.
02:31 eythian    hang on a moment...
02:31 phlunk3    shall I just touch the missing file?
02:32 eythian    you'll have to mkdir /var/lock/koha and /var/run/koha
02:32 phlunk3    tx will try it
02:32 eythian    Bug 4873 has a patch
02:32 huginn     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4873 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, NEW , Debian packaging should avoid /var/run and /var/lock in the package
02:33 phlunk3    probably I need to update this vm, just wanted to use an existing one for the test.
02:34 eythian    hmm, that bug should be fixed
02:34 eythian    do you have an old version of koha-common on there?
02:34 phlunk3    probably is mate, Im not running the latest version on here.
02:34 phlunk3    Im still on 3.4.2 on this test
02:35 eythian    yeah, it went in for 3.4.3
02:35 eythian    or just after
02:35 * eythian  makes a note that bugs will only be diagnosed if you're on the latest version
02:36 phlunk3    we're doing this test migration install cause of the number of upgrades needed, we upgraded to 3.4.2 a day before the 3.4.3 arrived :P so we decided to wait with upgrades till we were sure we could upgrade all servers in the same way, hence the base vm setup.
02:37 eythian    ah right
02:37 eythian    well, keep in mind that many things are being updated through the 3.4 cycle, and that updates between them should be smooth.
02:37 eythian    Especially package related things, as they get more use, more things get polished.
02:39 phlunk3    yeah have been told things are a lot easier than in the past :) we figured it'd be easier if we just set all our installs to ubuntu so we didn't have diff bugs per installation. things have been a bit splintered here (our installs not koha) until now.
02:40 eythian    yeah, the packages should work on Ubuntu just fine. The only missing bit was that patch which caused zebra to fail. I really ought to put the dependencies that Ubuntu lacks into the repo too to make it easier still.
02:40 eythian    One day...
02:43 phlunk3    will apply this patch n then just restart the koha-common right? or does the whole system need to reboot?
02:43 eythian    nah, just restart koha-common
02:47 phlunk3    cool, zebra runs :) will try rebuilding the index then I presume it should work, fingers crossed
02:50 eythian    you probably won't need to rebuild
02:50 eythian    but it can't hurt
02:56 phlunk3    didn't work even after the rebuild, so no idea lol
02:57 eythian    check to see if the processes are still running
02:58 eythian    also, if you run it at the command line again, it may tell you what's wrong, again.
03:00 phlunk3    14:59:05-20/09 d00682b6 [fatal] Zebra server already running [Resource temporarily unavailable]
03:00 phlunk3    so yeah, its running lol
03:01 eythian    then kill (sudo /etc/init.d/koha-common stop) it and run it from the command line and see what happens when you search for things.
03:04 pastebot   "Phlunk3" at 116.251.188.152 pasted "result when search for a" (33 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/44
03:04 Brooke     0/
03:05 phlunk3    those two failed locks are on files which dont exist yet, do I manually need to create the entries?
03:05 eythian    no
03:05 eythian    'Permission denied' is probably the important bit
03:05 eythian    how have you been rebuilding zebra?
03:06 phlunk3    sudo koha-rebuild-zebra -v -f mylibrary
03:06 eythian    oh. odd.
03:06 rangi      wizzyrea: http://www.unclemikesbbq.co.nz/
03:07 Brooke     stop taunting me with your forbidden BBQ
03:07 * Brooke   has been brainwashed into thinking that KC stands for Koha Community in the stead of Kansas City.
03:07 eythian    phlunk3: you should check the permissions on those directories.
03:07 eythian    They are apparently wrong
03:08 eythian    (I'm not sure why they'd be wrong, maybe something was done as root at some stage that upset things.)
03:08 * Brooke   smells a chmod in the future.
03:09 eythian    rangi: that's a very small person holding that food
03:10 Brooke     yeah, I don't know if I can trust BBQ coming from a less than stout woman...
03:10 rangi      heh
03:10 phlunk3    thanks eyth, I fixed the permissions and all works as expected. Will do my best to ensure next time I'm bugging you I'm running the newest version ;)
03:11 phlunk3    proper bbq in nz is damn hard to come by :/ but, where on earth is petone?
03:11 eythian    good good :)
03:11 eythian    phlunk3: just a bit north of Wellington
03:11 rangi      other side of the harbour
03:12 Brooke     South of Titahi Bay
03:12 phlunk3    might be worth a visit sometime lol. I really should learn our geography better too!
03:12 eythian    rangi: we should take the train out for a Friday lunch some time ;)
03:12 phlunk3    my girlfriend just moved over here but we've had no time to show her around so far, her sisters will come stay with us in January so when that happens I imagine we will do a full tour
03:13 * Brooke   gasps.
03:13 Brooke     manaakitanga requires bbq. Take one for the team!
03:37 Brooke     0/
03:38 Oak        o/ :)
04:03 huginn     New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 2830] Hold not removed when "trapped" item on hold shelf is checked out to a different patron in the holds queue <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2830>
05:24 wajasu     it sure was lonely on the old server for the past week.
05:24 eythian    week? I thought everyone moved months ago.
05:25 wajasu     i had the path in my client and haven't been around for 5+ months.  usually upgrade koha servers in the summer.
05:26 wajasu     upgrading from koha 3.01.00.145 to 3.04.04.000
05:26 wajasu     i'm testing against my mysqldump of my production db. ran perl 5.12.1 in perlbrew environment and cpanm installed of modules, with koha installed in single mode.
05:27 wajasu     waiting for remove_items_from_biblioitems.pl to finish.
05:28 wajasu     i did have 3 errors when the upgrade script ran. http://paste.koha-community.org/45
05:28 wajasu     i'm so happy i found you guys.  i thought you all moved to the mailing lists.
05:29 eythian    The first error is nothing to worry about, I see it too. Not quite sure what's happening there.
05:30 eythian    The other two are unlikely to be a problem, you may just have some dodgy dates somewhere. That said, it might pay to track it down just to be on the safe side.
05:34 wajasu     ok
05:47 wajasu     maybe the topic on the old irc can get set so that it says to come here. i saw people come and go occasionally looking for some help. makes you think the community is dead.
05:47 wajasu     greart to see the jenkins, paste, etc up.
06:24 alex_a     hello
06:28 cait       hi alex_a :) morning #koha
06:29 alex_a     hi cait :)
06:36 wajasu     looks like success upgrading from 3.01.00.145 to 3.04.04.000  yeah!
06:42 wajasu     so no more marcxml in biblio items. and the templates are all template toolkit. neat!
06:43 cait       :)
06:43 cait       koha++
06:44 wajasu     now to see if diacritics are printing in spline labels.
06:48 reiveune   hello
06:56 francharb  hi all
07:36 kf         good morning #koha
07:52 sophie_m   hello kf
07:53 kf         hi sophie :)
07:59 rangi      evening
08:02 kf         evening rangi :)
08:18 hdl        hi
08:19 rangi      hi hdl
09:00 Judit      hi
09:00 wahanui    hello, Judit
09:01 Judit      i cannot find a high resolution koha logo on the website, any idea where to find one
09:05 hdl        there once was some vectorized version.
09:05 Judit      any idea where
09:08 hdl        Judit: can't find that.
09:08 Judit      thanks for loooking
09:08 hdl        you should ask nengard when she is there.
10:03 kf         catalyst++
11:56 kf         sekjal: around?
12:13 kf         hi Jesse
12:13 Jesse      Hello kf, Morning
12:26 oleonard   Hooray for QA
12:52 jcamins    qa++ # what are we celebrating QA for?
12:52 oleonard   I just like seeing patches pass QA.
12:53 oleonard   Especially mine. I'm selfish that way.
12:53 hdl        hi Jesse oleonard jcamins and america
12:54 jcamins    Ah. Yes.
12:54 Jesse      hello
12:54 jcamins    Yes, hello, hdl, Jesse, and oleonard.
13:40 oleonard   sekjal and nengard: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=dee5f4945b645bbd314602479f990a08a896370c
13:41 oleonard   "As part of this patch, commented out the JavaScript tablesorter, which could cause the browerer to lock up if the picklist contains more than a couple hundred items to pull."
13:41 nengard    oh ?.
13:42 oleonard   Table sorting was added to the holds queue report on 2008-05-27 and removed again on 2008-08-18 with the above comment.
13:42 sekjal     oleonard:  ::sigh:: I was afraid of that
13:43 oleonard   I have investigated in the past the possibility of triggering the tablesorter *after* page load, without success. That might be an avenue to revisit.
13:44 oleonard   That is: the user's click initiates the sorting process
13:44 sekjal     oleonard:  that's more than just putting the <script> tag at the end of the page, isn't it?
13:45 oleonard   Yeah, because the tablesorter automatically process the contents of the table upon page load, no matter where on the page the <script> block is.
13:45 sekjal     right
13:45 sekjal     what about a system preference?  TableSortLessThan?
13:45 sekjal     only adds the table sorter if a table has fewer than X entries
13:46 oleonard   Perhaps in conjunction with server-side sorting if the table has more.
13:47 oleonard   Just what everyone loves to code...handling of server-side sorting.
13:47 sekjal     ugh
13:47 sekjal     hmmm
13:47 sekjal     perhaps I can figure out how to put this in intranetuserjs
13:47 hdl        oleonard: I think that the best thing would be to use datatables.net
13:48 hdl        and use some ajax to get the data out
13:48 oleonard   That's just a different sorting tool. Do we know whether it is more efficient?
13:48 hdl        and only the data required.
13:48 hdl        well. It is much more flexible and you can use an ajax call back
13:48 hdl        we used that with succes.
13:50 oleonard   I was just testing Bug 6836 in fact
13:50 huginn     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6836 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, julian.maurice, ASSIGNED , jQuery plugin Datatables integration
14:04 magnuse    hello koha
14:04 wizzyrea   morning magnus_away
14:04 wizzyrea   well that did not work as intended.
14:04 wizzyrea   well, afternoon I guess.
14:31 Barrc      Anyone up on Biblio.pm, specifically GetRecordValue?
14:31 Barrc      fucntion within.
14:32 jcamins    Barrc: what are you trying to figure out?
14:33 Barrc      jcamins: I am trying to find why a subtitle isn't displaying in Staff Client.
14:33 jcamins    Barrc: on which screen?
14:33 Barrc      search.pl (results)
14:34 jcamins    Hm.
14:34 Barrc      If I Dumper the values to the screen I can see the subtile in the MARC data
14:34 jcamins    Sounds like the mapping isn't set up correctly.
14:34 Barrc      I think so, just trying to make sure.....
14:34 libsysguy  sekjal around?
14:35 sekjal     morning, libsysguy
14:35 libsysguy  morning sekjal
14:35 libsysguy  do you think it would be worth my time to write a script to run in the cron to do email notices
14:36 oleonard   sekjal: Galen's comment mentions a holds queue with "more than a couple hundred items," but I've got my list up to almost 300 without ill effects. Maybe a factor of better js performance since 2008.
14:36 libsysguy  so I can just run different scripts based on different time intervals
14:36 sekjal     libsysguy:  what notices are you looking to run differently?
14:36 libsysguy  overdues and fines
14:37 libsysguy  so I can run ILL overdues/fines everyday
14:37 libsysguy  and all others once a week
14:37 sekjal     libsysguy:  wait, you're talking about only running overdue notices every week?
14:38 libsysguy  the mail outs
14:38 sekjal     print?
14:38 libsysguy  oh...i think i see the confusion
14:39 libsysguy  they would get the notice once a week (email) for each week they are overdue
14:39 sekjal     oleonard:  good to know... more testing may be required
14:39 sekjal     libsysguy: okay...
14:40 sekjal     I'm not really understanding why that's more desireable than running them daily, and making use of the Triggers
14:40 libsysguy  it is my understanding the triggers only allow for 3 total mail outs
14:40 sekjal     ah
14:42 sekjal     libsysguy:  you can run the overdue_notices.pl script without the -t flag
14:42 libsysguy  ahh
14:42 sekjal     I believe there is also a flag to indicate which patron categories to send to, as well
14:42 wahanui    okay, sekjal.
14:43 sekjal     so you could have two entries on cron, one weekly without -t, and one daily but only for ILL patrons
14:44 libsysguy  gotcha...man I wish I would have known that earlier :-\
14:44 libsysguy  oh well...I know it now...here goes :)
16:41 Oak        \o
16:59 rhcl       off to go fishin'
17:29 maximep    ran into bug 6806 again. Any chance my patch could be signed-off/applied ?
17:29 huginn     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6806 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, colin.campbell, NEW , Encoding problem with biblio titles in subscription-add.pl
18:25 sekjal     is there any utility to being able to search the reservoir for titles or isbns?
18:28 wizzyrea   i'm honestly not sure what people use it fo
18:28 wizzyrea   for
18:28 sekjal     it's only used on cataloging/addbiblio.pl
18:28 sekjal     which searches both Zebra, and records that have been imported
18:29 sekjal     unfortunately, the search on the imported records is.... bad
18:29 wizzyrea   right
18:29 wizzyrea   idk why we need the cataloging search at all >.>
18:29 wizzyrea   *need a separate
18:29 sekjal     unlimited SQL, using multiple "like" statements "OR"ed together
18:32 sekjal     the whole C4/Breeding.pm module could probably be scrapped
18:32 sekjal     the import is only used in the two z3950_search.pl pages, and the search only on addbooks.pl
18:32 sekjal     and those are the only two subroutines
18:36 oleonard   maximep: Signed off.
18:36 wahanui    i guess signed off is approval
18:36 oleonard   You don't need to seek approval wahanui, we love you just the way you are.
18:38 maximep    oleonard: thanks!
18:43 * oleonard could use a signoff on Bug 6766
18:43 huginn     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6766 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Template variable scope errors in holds template
18:46 wizzyrea   is there something wrong with the git server?
18:46 wizzyrea   my git fetch is hanging
18:47 oleonard   Me too
18:59 sekjal     we're looking at it now
19:01 wizzyrea   there is something very wrong with the patch for 5533
19:01 wizzyrea   bug 5533
19:01 huginn     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5533 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , marking item lost diff in two places
19:02 wizzyrea   when you edit items now, there's no guarantee you're editing the *right* item.
19:02 wizzyrea   http://screencast.com/t/mmbWNhm1mxQ
19:03 wizzyrea   that is long and drawn out, but shows basically that editing items is screwed with the patch :(
19:03 sekjal     wizzyrea:  will look at that in a bit...brb
19:03 wizzyrea   is no biggie sekjal... imma fail it. (even though I want it)
19:12 sekjal     wizzyrea:  yeah... that's wicked buggy looking behaviour
19:12 wizzyrea   *nod*
19:13 wizzyrea   reminds me of when we tried to nuke it using jquery
19:13 wizzyrea   is probably a similar issue
19:13 sekjal     yeah, that is familiar... some kind of array shift
19:13 wizzyrea   ^^
19:14 sekjal     git.k-c.org should be restored, ps
19:15 sekjal     oleonard:  I'll look at 6766, if you look at 6887... :)
19:17 sekjal     oleonard:  okay, you don't actually have to; I've passed 6766 through QA regardless
19:18 sekjal     but if anyone would give a third set of eyes to bug 6887, I'd be appreciative.  I feel odd pushing it through with just me and nengard having looked at it
19:18 huginn     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6887 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED , Show "checked out from" column on current checkouts
19:18 wizzyrea   i'll look at it
19:18 wizzyrea   :)
19:18 oleonard   It does need one tweak
19:18 wizzyrea   sharon wants to see it anyway
19:19 cait       hi #koha
19:19 sekjal     hi, cait!
19:19 cait       hi sekjal :)
19:19 wizzyrea   hi cait
19:19 cait       hi liz :)
19:20 wizzyrea   ah, 6887 I approve!
19:20 wizzyrea   with whatever owen wants to add
19:20 wizzyrea   but I like that!
19:21 oleonard   It just needs to have the tablesorter columns adjusted to accommodate the new column.
19:21 wizzyrea   oo
19:22 wizzyrea   can I pass it or would you rather I not?
19:22 oleonard   It's a quick fix, can I send you the revised version?
19:22 wizzyrea   that would rule
19:22 sekjal     oleonard:  tablesorter worked ok on members/moremember.pl
19:22 sekjal     is this for circ/circulation.pl?
19:23 sekjal     brb
19:23 oleonard   I started on circulation.pl, looking at moremember.pl now
19:23 wizzyrea   i really really like that, kudos to whoever came up with the idea to show that
19:23 wizzyrea   I suspect the libraries will like it as well
19:25 cait       wizzyrea: what will the libraries like? :)
19:26 wizzyrea   adding the "checked out from" column to the circ table
19:26 cait       ah
19:26 cait       hm
19:27 cait       this is one of the things we could hide when there is only one branch :)
19:27 wizzyrea   yep
19:27 wizzyrea   http://screencast.com/t/iTj5GzxrC
19:27 wizzyrea   is what it looks like
19:27 * wizzyrea really needs some fresh test data.
19:28 cait       what I always wondered - do we need price in there?
19:29 wizzyrea   I am sure it's a quote 123 thign
19:29 cait       probably
19:29 wahanui    well, probably is mate, Im not running the latest version on here.
19:29 cait       oh, I know
19:29 cait       we need to make it configurable!
19:29 * cait     hides
19:29 jcamins    @quote get 123
19:29 huginn     jcamins: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
19:29 jcamins    Ah, right.
19:30 cait       hi jcamins :)
19:30 wizzyrea   hi jcamins :)
19:31 jcamins    Hello.
19:33 oleonard   Price is in there for when people say, "I lost it. How much do I need to pay?"
19:35 cait       hm
19:35 cait       but wouldn't you be able to tell him that when marking it lost?
19:35 cait       because that happens on another screen anyway?
19:35 oleonard   Letting them know the price is incentive for them to try again to find it
19:36 oleonard   "That audiobook cost HOW much?!"
19:36 oleonard   "...I guess I'll take another look..."
19:37 cait       hmm
19:38 rangi      morning
19:38 oleonard   Hi rangi
19:40 cait       hi rnagi
19:40 cait       rangi
19:53 oleonard   Bug 5083 is not relevant anymore, correct? Because translations are built instead of included?
19:53 huginn     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5083 normal, P5, ---, chris, NEW , Some source files lack on ca-VA tree distribution
19:54 cait       let me take a look
19:55 rangi      I think so
19:55 cait       hm could be a problem with the po files too?
19:55 cait       sometims if yo have mistakes in there it stops and doesn't finish
19:55 rangi      could be
19:55 cait       creating the files
19:56 rangi      Srdjan has nearly finished the translation packages
19:56 cait       yay! :)
19:56 rangi      soon will be able to just apt-get install them
20:16 wizzyrea   oh my: http://it.slashdot.org/story/11/09/20/1833232/Hackers-Break-Browser-SSLTLS-Encryption?utm_source=slashdot&utm_medium=twitter
20:16 pastebot   "rangi" at 202.78.240.7 pasted "Perl::Critic" (70 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/46
20:22 pastebot   "rangi" at 202.78.240.7 pasted "permissions.t" (28 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/47
20:24 cait       oh
20:24 cait       we pass perl critic?
20:24 cait       cool
20:27 maximep    well it doesn't pass for me
20:27 maximep    going to send a little patch for it =)
20:30 rangi      cait: only for a small fraction of the code but its increasing as we fix things
20:30 cait       ok, still an impressive list already :)
20:47 rangi      every so often i turn it to test more and fix some
20:47 rangi      something ppl can do if they get bored :)
20:48 cait       if you phrase it like that it's not going to happen
20:48 cait       perhaps make it an adventure on chore wars ;)
20:48 maximep    well you never know, had nothing to do the last week at work
20:49 maximep    fixing those small things would be better than reading facebook -_-
20:49 cait       hehe
20:49 ibeardslee ^^ ++
20:50 rangi      ibeardslee: might be perfect for the academy kids, if russ does want them to do some perl ;-)
20:51 ibeardslee teaching perl will depend on the projects for the 2nd week
20:51 ibeardslee if he wants perl taught, he'll need to cough up with a project
20:51 rangi      yup
20:52 ibeardslee that's assuming your dashboard project happens rather than the perl you had them doing last one
20:52 rangi      i was gonna do koha again, but this time more around the front end
20:52 rangi      yeah
20:53 rangi      i could do a couple on either
20:53 rangi      but might be hard to split time effectively between them
20:53 sekjal     @later tell oleonard still cannot find the root of bug 6673... seems to be in the batch creation, somewhere....
20:53 huginn     sekjal: The operation succeeded.
20:53 ibeardslee yeah .. but of course numbers may make a differnce
20:54 ibeardslee and it might be in Jan again
21:01 wizzyrea   is there a way to see who deleted a hold? I know the answer is "probably not"
21:02 wizzyrea   but i'm not remembering
21:02 rangi      dont think so
21:02 rangi      unless it does it in the logs
21:03 wizzyrea   hmm
21:04 wizzyrea   gr modlog. /me considers querying directly
21:07 wizzyrea   no, nothing in the modlog.
21:07 wizzyrea   spose it might be nice to know that
21:10 rangi      yup
21:46 rangi      wizzyrea: got a sec?
21:46 wizzyrea   about 900 of them :)
21:46 rangi      :)
21:46 wizzyrea   sup?
21:46 rangi      6576
21:46 rangi      did you git bz apply that?
21:47 wizzyrea   I did both
21:47 wizzyrea   git am and git bz
21:47 rangi      and with -3 on the am eh?
21:47 rangi      just checking .. ill switch it to does not apply if so
21:47 wizzyrea   well I will go do it again
21:47 wizzyrea   just to be sure
21:47 wizzyrea   :)
21:48 rangi      failed qa get highlighted in my mail
21:48 rangi      so just checking if it was a does not apply, or a failed qa
21:48 * wizzyrea missed the does not apply status
21:48 wizzyrea   and I probably meant that
21:48 wizzyrea   but let me check it one more time
21:49 wizzyrea   aha there it went - I forget the -3
21:49 rangi      that'd do it
21:50 wizzyrea   ty i'll look at it and fix it
21:50 rangi      one day when i get time
21:50 rangi      HA
21:50 huginn     New commit(s) kohagit: Enh 6887: Add 'checked out from' column to issued items display tables <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9ee49d65d46f12722af19e72576b187adbb72292> / Fix for Bug 6842 - Branch transfer limits broken <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=377f174b0674b009945036c3ac3724378e12e9c5> / Fix for Bug 6766 - Template variable scope errors in holds template <http://git.koha-comm
21:50 rangi      ill change git bz to allow a -3 to be passed through
21:50 wizzyrea   ya that'd be handy
21:53 rangi      you noticed that git bz writes the patch to /tmp eh
21:53 wizzyrea   ya
21:53 rangi      cool
21:53 wizzyrea   that's where I got it from :)
21:54 wizzyrea   the patch looks super good tho.
21:54 wizzyrea   works a treat
21:54 rangi      yay!
21:54 * wizzyrea backs it off to verify the old behavior
21:54 rangi      was an annoying bug
21:54 huginn     New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6576] changing framework while cataloging looses data <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6576>
21:55 rangi      i still love
21:55 rangi      http://soundcloud.com/skrillex/first-of-the-year-equinox
21:58 wizzyrea   yep, I can sign off on that.
21:58 wizzyrea   works great.
21:58 wizzyrea   :)
21:58 rangi      yay!
21:58 cait       good night #koha :)
21:58 cait       and wizzyrea++
21:59 rangi      night cait
22:03 * wizzyrea makes a note to do the -3 thing when bz won't let it in
22:03 wizzyrea   hadn't seen that one before
22:03 wizzyrea   with bz
22:04 wizzyrea   outie, later maybe :0
22:04 wizzyrea   :)
22:04 rangi      yeah without the -3 it wont try a 3 way merge
22:04 rangi      will just bail
22:04 rangi      and often a merge works just fine with no conflicts
22:04 pastebot   "maximep" at 199.21.216.30 pasted "failing test" (20 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/49
22:04 rangi      not even im strict enough to force patches to apply totally clean with no hint of any merge :)
22:05 rangi      maximep: hmmm
22:05 maximep    do a create a new bug for the small fix of removing whitespcae in the test ?
22:05 rangi      spacing is the only issue?
22:05 maximep    yes
22:06 rangi      naw, you can just send a patch for that, send it to koha-patches@lists.koha-community.org and ill push it up
22:06 rangi      or send it to me
22:06 rangi      either is fine
22:06 wahanui    i already had it that way, rangi.
22:06 rangi      unless there is a catchall unittests bug? but i dont think so
22:06 * rangi    looks
22:07 rangi      http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5327
22:07 huginn     04Bug 5327: enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Unit tests required for all C4 modules
22:07 rangi      lets use that for fixing any tests
22:07 maximep    ok
23:20 eythian    http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Vim <-- a couple of useful things for people using vim to write koha code
23:30 jcamins    Heh: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NUC_Christmas_Tree_S_Calhoun.jpg
23:32 eythian    that's a lot of effort :)
23:32 jcamins    It sure is. Moving just one of those books takes all my strength.
23:33 f00bar     in the fast add framework, why are teh author fields greyed out?
23:33 eythian    f00bar: because they're tied to authority records
23:34 lastnode   oh so how can i
23:34 lastnode   add to authority records? im a little confused about the concept
23:36 jcamins    lastnode: you need to add them in the Authorities module.
23:36 eythian    lastnode: it is possible to turn off the authority linking, if that's more useful for you.
23:36 eythian    but, if you're doing proper cataloguing, it's worth doing it properly
23:37 jcamins    Or change BiblioAddsAuthorities in your system preferences so that you don't require every heading to have an authority in place.
23:37 wahanui    jcamins: that doesn't look right
23:37 jcamins    Or?
23:37 jcamins    or change?
23:37 wahanui    change is quite new
23:37 jcamins    or change something?
23:37 wahanui    jcamins: that doesn't look right
23:37 lastnode   so every author has to be added to the authoriites module
23:37 jcamins    or change something else
23:37 wahanui    jcamins: that doesn't look right
23:37 lastnode   that is so there is some uniformity?
23:37 jcamins    lastnode: that's the idea.
23:38 * jcamins  stops messing with wahanui.
23:38 lastnode   under authorized values?
23:38 jcamins    No, under authorities.
23:38 jcamins    Go to the home page (of the staff client), and look on the right column, near the top.
23:40 lastnode   ok got it. by default under fast add, only personal name is an authority value?
23:40 jcamins    rangi: would it make sense to give the Koha MySQL user replication slave privileges so that the backup script could be added to Koha proper?
23:40 jcamins    Or make that an option during set-up, anyway.
23:41 rangi      id have to read up on the security ramifications of that
23:41 jcamins    rangi: but your immediate response wasn't "what a stupid idea!," so perhaps this idea has some merit.
23:42 rangi      http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/privileges-provided.html#priv_replication-slave
23:43 rangi      what does having that privilege set give you?
23:43 jcamins    The ability to request the binlog.
23:43 eythian    it's to get binlog style backups
23:43 lastnode   when i add a new authority, eythian jcamins, will going with thedefault control number koha generates cause me problems?
23:43 jcamins    lastnode: no, no problems.
23:43 lastnode   i just tabbed through tot tab 1, andput in the personal name
23:43 eythian    I don't know. I expect not
23:43 lastnode   ok
23:44 rangi      hmmm at first glance i cant see anything too bad about it, you can tie it to a specific db righ
23:44 rangi      t
23:44 rangi      its not slave privileges system wide?
23:44 jcamins    rangi: I'd have to try.
23:45 rangi      cos i wouldnt like that
23:45 eythian    yeah, that was my only concern
23:45 eythian    but, I expect it's the case
23:45 jcamins    rangi: I've been using my debian-sys-maint user, but the other day it occurred to me this might be an option.
23:47 jcamins    eythian suggested checking for the privilege, and then reporting an error if it wasn't available, so that people could decide whether they wanted to give the user replication slave privilege or not.
23:48 rangi      yup, id still like it if it was only on a specific db
23:48 rangi      ppl do silly things ;)
23:48 rangi      we should help them avoid it ;)
23:49 lastnode   do PERSO_NAME authorities only store authorities we manually add, or also authorities imported from z39.50 searches?
23:50 lastnode   i just added Rowling, J.K as a personal name
23:50 lastnode   and though we have imported records for harry potter from searches, it doesnt show under authority search results
23:50 jcamins    lastnode: you can't import authorities from Z39.50.
23:50 lastnode   ok
23:50 jcamins    Authorities won't show up until the rebuild_zebra job runs.
23:50 lastnode   yeah i got that much
23:51 lastnode   so authorities aer for our own cataloging, basically
23:51 lastnode   stuff we're adding manually
23:51 jcamins    You need them for records you import via Z39.50, too.
23:51 lastnode   but the PERSO_NAME gets filled when we import data
23:52 jcamins    I thought it wasn't supposed to let you save it unless you matched it to an existing authority.
23:52 lastnode   we've added abou ta 100 books now, and this is the first authority we're ading
23:52 lastnode   (because we want to use fast add)
23:53 lastnode   *100 records, i realise books is a meaningless and ambiguous term
23:54 jcamins    Hm, that seems like a bug.
23:54 jcamins    Oh well.
23:55 lastnode   :/
23:58 eythian    I've never known it to not allow imports from Z39.50 for authorities, but I've never explicitly tried that either
23:58 lastnode   jcamins: so id need to go go back and add authorities for all the records ive already added?
23:59 lastnode   is proceeding without the authors already present in the db as authorities bad practice?
23:59 jcamins    lastnode: not if it's been working ofr you.
23:59 jcamins    eythian: you can't import authority *records*.
23:59 lastnode   i realise this is pretty dumb to ask in a channel full of librarians, so forgive me, but what are authoriteis for exactly?