Time  Nick            Message
00:03 cait            bye :)
00:44 lastnode        im havinga problemwith the modification log. when i loadit up for a particular record, the SQL in the log shows { 'biblioitemnumber' => 'X'
00:44 lastnode        and X is not teh biblioitem of the record im looking at
00:45 lastnode        whereas the 'Object' column shows the correct biblioitem id
00:46 lastnode        thoughts?
00:47 eythian         Unfortunately, I have no idea about that area of things.
00:53 lastnode        maybe rangi or someone does
00:53 lastnode        will wait
00:53 lastnode        dont want to put it to the list if it's an obvious answer
00:54 mtj             sounds like a bug, to me
00:55 lastnode        hmmm
00:57 lastnode        mtj: should i put it to the list?
00:58 mtj             i would log a bug 1st
00:58 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1 major, P2, ---, chris, CLOSED FIXED, Missing uploadedmarc table definition
00:58 lastnode        well i dont know if it's a bug for sure, right?
00:59 mtj             you probably wont know that, until you log it
01:00 lastnode        sure, ok
01:01 mtj             a screenshot attached to your bug, looks useful here
01:05 lastnode        mtj: im looking at this againa dn it looks like object maps to item
01:05 lastnode        and not biblio?
01:06 lastnode        so that makes sense then
01:07 mtj             if the log says ''biblioitemnumber' => 'X'
01:07 mtj             ... and X is not the correct bibitem, its a bug
01:07 lastnode        the object being queried correspondes to itemnumber, not biblionumber. which is probably expected behaviour.
01:08 lastnode        i think i misphrased my statemetn earlier and you misunderstood
01:09 lastnode        the modification log for a record queries with teh object number = biblionumber. this caused confusion
01:09 mtj             from what you said previously , it sounds like a bug
01:09 lastnode        when i modified the URL for object number = itemnumber, the correct log came up.
02:06 huginn          New commit(s) kohagit: While testing the commits for 6716 I discovered a couple of missing <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d6417257fde4e22252c78f2def21091016db17f3>
02:10 jcamins_away    eythian: around?
02:10 eythian         jcamins_away: yarp
02:11 jcamins_away    Yay!
02:11 * jcamins_away  hears eythian's wince from across the globe.
02:11 eythian         :)
02:13 jcamins_away    eythian: I wrote a script for backing up the Koha database. I'd like to submit it as a script to go in the packages (different feature set than koha-dump).
02:13 jcamins_away    You can see the script as it stands now here: https://github.com/jcamins/koha/blob/cpspecial/debian/scripts/koha-backup
02:13 eythian         should it be those features get merged into koha-dump?
02:14 jcamins_away    I thought about that, but that would require completely changing the way koha-dump works.
02:14 jcamins_away    And making it into a Perl script.
02:15 eythian         you can't use /etc/mysql/debian.cnf to get database access information.
02:15 jcamins_away    Hm. I was afraid that might be the case.
02:15 eythian         it doesn't work if the database is on another machine.
02:15 jcamins_away    Ooh.
02:15 jcamins_away    Wait, no, that doesn't matter.
02:15 jcamins_away    This _has_ to be run on the database server.
02:16 eythian         oh
02:16 jcamins_away    See, that's the thing. It doesn't replace koha-dump.
02:16 eythian         yeah
02:17 jcamins_away    I wasn't entirely sure that it was worthy of inclusion in Koha, but magnuse and druthb both gave it a resounding vote for inclusion.
02:17 rangi           you wouldnt nessecarily have the packages on the db server
02:17 rangi           i know we dont
02:18 jcamins_away    rangi: I know. See my above comment about not being sure it is worthy. ;)
02:18 eythian         it definitely does seem to assume that the database and koha are on the same machine. That's a bit of concern to me.
02:18 rangi           it seems like the perfect thing to live at contribs
02:18 rangi           we should resurrect that site
02:19 jcamins_away    Contribs?
02:19 eythian         the docs don't say how you go about restoring a backup you've made, either :)
02:19 rangi           http://contribs.koha.org/ <-- old site
02:20 jcamins_away    eythian: that's for version 2.
02:20 rangi           for stuff thats useful, but probably not ready (yet) for mainstream
02:20 jcamins_away    eythian: that's in no way the finished product. It's the script that I needed to have working yesterday.
02:20 jcamins_away    ;)
02:20 eythian         fair enough :)
02:20 jcamins_away    rangi: oh, nifty. That would be the perfect place.
02:21 rangi           yup, we just need to set up a new contribs site somewhere
02:21 eythian         could create a git repo with a very easy get-stuff-accepted policy
02:22 eythian         or, even a page on the wiki to start with where people link to gitorious or whatever pages.
02:22 rangi           yup, its more a nice frontend to see that stuff
02:22 rangi           which the old site had
02:22 eythian         yeah.
02:22 rangi           https://gna.org/projects/pem/  <-- uses that
02:22 rangi           (from 2 old time koha developers)
02:23 eythian         oh, nifty
02:23 jcamins_away    Yeah. For me, the script can live happily in my cpspecial branch, but other people might need incremental backups.
02:23 rangi           i set it up, dont remember it being too hard
02:23 eythian         jcamins_away: incremental backups are a good thing, especially for larger sites, where a full packup is expensive.
02:23 eythian         *backup
02:24 eythian         I wonder if there's a way to get them without hitting the binlog, I'd expect that larger sites would also have one or more separate db servers.
02:24 eythian         I guess replication is the real way of doing that.
02:25 jcamins_away    Replication is best. The idea behind this script is that it runs on the backup DB server.
02:25 jcamins_away    eythian: exactly. Arguably a bit of an overkill for a site with ~100MB/data, but it's the principle of the thing.
02:26 jcamins_away    There doesn't seem to be.
02:26 eythian         so do you run a full backup daily, and incremental each hour, or something like that?
02:27 jcamins_away    Full weekly, incremental daily.
02:28 jcamins_away    However, as you can tell, I expected one might want to do hourly incrementals.
02:28 eythian         ah right. We just run daily, and sync that off the machine. There's a patch going through that will save the last two days worth by default (using koha-dump)
02:29 jcamins_away    Yeah, daily full backups are good, but cost a lot of bandwidth for off-site backups.
02:30 eythian         it'd be a drop in the bucket compared to our other stuff :) I think it ends up on tape for us.
02:30 jcamins_away    Yeah, but you're a big operation with a data center.
02:31 jcamins_away    And actual computers that one can connect a tape drive to.
02:31 eythian         yeah :)
02:31 * jcamins_away  has an Internet connection with 30KB/s upload.
02:32 eythian         I can see that being problematic...
02:33 jcamins_away    And my download speed isn't that great here, either.
02:34 jcamins_away    So bandwidth is a key concern for off-site backups.
02:34 eythian         yep.
02:36 * eythian       considers copy-pasting a chunk of code because he's not sure about how to rewrite it. This surely is not the answer.
02:36 jcamins_away    What's it do?
02:37 eythian         it's the XSLT for rendering OPAC detail
02:38 eythian         currently it's doing "if the tag is 100 or 700, display stuff" followed by similar for 110/710 and so on, however we really want all the 100's first, then the 700's later.
02:38 jcamins_away    I thought marcelr fixed that.
02:39 eythian         it's pretty nice for the staff client (in fact, the code there is a whole lot nicer in general) but not the OPAC.
02:39 eythian         I might have a go at putting this into a template.
02:40 jcamins_away    Bug 5643
02:40 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5643 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, m.de.rooy, RESOLVED WONTFIX, Few new template routines in MARC21slim2OPACResults.xsl
02:40 jcamins_away    Yeah, templates are good.
02:40 eythian         different XSLT file
02:41 eythian         Mine's detail, not results
02:41 jcamins_away    Right. I thought he did that for both.
02:41 eythian         not in that bug, anyway
02:42 eythian         also not in the code, as I can see exactly why it's the way it is :)
02:43 jcamins_away    Yeah, I can't find a bug with template routines for the details display.
02:44 jcamins_away    The opac details xslt is particularly bad for copy-and-paste code.
02:45 eythian         big issue I have with declarative languages: doing a relatively minor change can often result in a refactor, and if you're not careful you can take the lazy way out.
02:45 jcamins_away    True. On the other hand, if it were done right from the beginning, that wouldn't be so likely to happen.
02:46 eythian         yeah
02:46 eythian         wholly chao, that worked.
02:46 eythian         that was unexpected.
02:46 * jcamins_away  looks to see who wrote the XSLT stylesheets originally.
02:47 rangi           they came from loc
02:47 jcamins_away    Well color me purple, I never woulda guessed!
02:47 eythian         heh
02:47 jcamins_away    Yeah, LC could have done better with their examples, too.
02:47 rangi           and then indexdata and then koha people
02:48 jcamins_away    According to git log, I was correct in my prediction of which Koha person. ;)
02:48 rangi           yup
02:48 rangi           shortcuts r us
02:48 rangi           that was his MO
02:48 eythian         a few people have done a good refactoring of koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/xslt/MARC21slim2intranetDetail.xsl though, it's a crapload cleaner.
02:49 rangi           yup
02:49 * jcamins_away  suspects marcelr may have had something to do with it.
02:49 rangi           and kf and fredericd
02:53 jcamins_away    Oh, and me.
02:53 jcamins_away    Heh. Forgot about that.
02:54 jcamins_away    Okay, time for sleep.
02:54 jcamins_away    Good night, #koha.
02:54 eythian         heh
02:54 eythian         cya
02:57 huginn          New commit(s) kohagit: Adding the 155th developer to the history <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=755390b5f51c83874736ac44d864855168031c94>
03:03 eythian         awesome, author stuff refactored into templates. Now I can copy-paste and each thing is only 3 lines, not 30.
03:04 rangi           :)
03:07 huginn          New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5533] marking item lost diff in two places <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5533>
03:31 kulps           evening folks
03:31 kulps           anybody about?
03:32 mtj             hiya kulps
03:33 kulps           I'm a brutally new user and have some questions, do you maybe have time to show me the program?
03:34 rangi           what version are you running?
03:34 kulps           3.04.04.000
03:35 rangi           you've found the manual eh?
03:35 rangi           http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-4-manual-en/
03:35 kulps           I hadn't yet
03:35 rangi           http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Newbie_guide  <-- is good too
03:35 kulps           I was googling (Without great success)
03:35 mtj             ooooh, i'm a little busy for a demo, right now kulps
03:36 kulps           I understand, I popped in last night and it seemed like everyone was afk, I'm not in a big rush.
03:36 kulps           rangi, thanks for the newbie guide, I'll give it a read
03:39 kulps           I'm a bit confused as to what the current version of the software is
03:39 kulps           koha.org says 4.2
03:39 kulps           wiki says 3.4.4
03:39 rangi           koha.org is not koha
03:39 kulps           okay
03:39 rangi           koha-community.org is
03:39 kulps           so 3.4 is current then?
03:40 rangi           a company hostile to the project owns koha.org and they are being particularly annoying about it
03:40 rangi           yes 3.4.4 is the current stable release
03:40 rangi           3.4.5 will be out september 22
03:40 rangi           http://koha-community.org/home/#more-1
03:41 kulps           I like the way the newbie guide is written, quite approachable.
03:42 kulps           is there a changelog for 3.4.5? will it be worth the upgrade?
03:43 rangi           we do a one monthly bug fix release, 6 monthly feature release
03:43 rangi           you can see all the changelogs on the koha-community.org site
03:43 rangi           it wont contain any new features, only bug fixes
03:44 rangi           http://koha-community.org/koha-3-4-4/#more-2633  <-- that was 3.4.4
03:44 kulps           okay
03:44 kulps           I likely wont move until there's a feature release
03:44 kulps           I only plan to use koha for my personal collection until I get a better handle on it
03:45 rangi           id highly recommend installing using the packages and upgrading for bugfix releases, when you put it into production
03:45 kulps           okay, I'll make the effort if you think it's worth it
03:46 rangi           well not for your personal one probably
03:46 kulps           my "production" library will be smaller than my library
03:46 rangi           did you install using the packages? or from the tarball
03:46 kulps           just wanted to get my hackerspaces library indexed
03:46 kulps           tarball
03:46 rangi           yeah, id use the packages in future, makes upgrading easier
03:46 kulps           it's been a bit of a pain, I'm pretty fresh to linux, I'm a windows admin
03:47 rangi           packages are a lot easier
03:47 kulps           noted
03:47 kulps           are the packages kept as up to date?
03:47 rangi           http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.4_on_Debian_Squeeze
03:47 rangi           yes
03:47 kulps           damn
03:47 kulps           that probably would have been a lot easier
03:47 rangi           next time ;)
03:47 mtj             everything's a pain, when you are a windows admin :p
03:48 kulps           apt-get install notsodamnhardplease
03:48 kulps           so I've been told, I'm working on it
03:48 kulps           I learned a few things during the install
03:48 kulps           I'd never used cpan before
03:48 kulps           so that was pretty neat
03:48 rangi           yeah you dont need to with the packages, as long as you are running debian stable
03:48 rangi           all the perl modules are packaged too
03:49 kulps           I am,
03:49 * kulps         sighs
03:49 kulps           oh well
03:49 kulps           learning experience all around
03:51 kulps           so are most people here full time librarians or do you see more hobby librarians?
03:51 rangi           mostly fulltime
03:51 rangi           we get some hobby ones too
03:52 rangi           koha is a bit overkill for most hobby people
03:54 kulps           I know, but I tried to find a smaller suite and found nothinh usable
03:54 kulps           I setup the virtual appliance last year when I was piloting it for the hackerspace and knew it was overkill
03:54 kulps           but
03:54 kulps           for us the exercise is often as important as the result
03:56 rangi           *nod*
03:57 eythian         you'll find it appropriately hackable once you get it going.
03:57 kulps           that's good news
03:58 kulps           so, is there a smaller suite that I just failed to find in my searching?
03:58 kulps           in case any friends ask
03:58 rangi           you looked at openbiblio?
03:58 kulps           no
03:58 rangi           http://obiblio.sourceforge.net/
03:58 kulps           I found biblioteq
03:58 rangi           it seems kinda orphaned now
03:59 rangi           and is far less featureful, but a lot smaller
03:59 kulps           obiblio or biblioteq?
03:59 rangi           openbiblio
03:59 kulps           mmm
04:00 rangi           actually yeah, it looks like a dead project
04:01 rangi           no commits in over a year, in the main repo
04:01 rangi           but this fork
04:01 rangi           https://bitbucket.org/mstetson/obiblio-10-wip/
04:01 rangi           seems to be alive
04:01 kulps           have you ever used it?
04:01 rangi           nope
04:02 kulps           hmm
04:02 kulps           maybe I'll give it a whirl
04:02 kulps           but probably I'll stick to Koha
04:02 kulps           I want the ldap integration for the space
04:03 rangi           koha has a big active community
04:03 rangi           so much easier to get help
04:03 kulps           no sure if the smaller suites support it
04:03 kulps           yeah
04:03 kulps           that too
04:03 rangi           ok, ive had enough of hte solvent smell here at work (new carpet) im going home
04:04 kulps           what time do you have?
04:08 eythian         16:00 here
04:08 eythian         and I'm getting pretty headachey from this smell too, going to tidy up the stuff I'm doing and head off also.
04:13 kulps           ah, it's 22:00 where I am, so I was a bit confused why somebody would still be working on a sunday
04:14 eythian         it's monday :)
04:14 eythian         (we're from the future you see)
04:15 kulps           aww crap
04:15 kulps           future robo-librarians
04:16 eythian         s/librarians/perl developers/ in our case
04:17 kulps           neat
04:18 kulps           well I'm super appreciative of your work, manning the channel and possibly contributing to the project
04:21 eythian         :)
04:22 kulps           well, I shant hold you up, I've got a whole newbie guide to read
04:22 kulps           I look forward to being less new to koha
04:22 mtj             here's my daily random git Q...
04:24 mtj             in master/HEAD, when (and why) was the file 'installer/data/mysql/de-DE/mandatory/sysprefs.sql' deleted?
04:25 mtj             ah, its been renamed from sysprefs.* to system_preferences.*
04:25 mtj             ok, some tidying :)
04:26 eythian         yes, there's your answer.
04:26 * eythian       helps.
04:28 mtj             ooooh, and now UPDATES only, no INSERTS :)
04:28 mtj             click
04:35 BobB            hi mtj, hi eythian
04:35 eythian         hello
04:35 wahanui         bonjour, eythian
04:36 eythian         wahanui: I'm not talking to you
04:36 wahanui         eythian: huh?
04:36 BobB            He'll never get that.
04:36 mtj             heya bob
04:36 eythian         wahanui: I'm not talking to you is <action>cries in the corner
04:36 wahanui         OK, eythian.
04:36 BobB            Hi Mason
04:36 eythian         wahanui: I'm not talking to you
04:36 wahanui         eythian: what?
04:36 eythian         wahanui: I'm not talking to \you is <action>cries in the corner
04:36 wahanui         i already had it that way, eythian.
04:36 eythian         no wahanui, \I'm not talking to \you is <action>cries in the corner
04:36 wahanui         i already had it that way, eythian.
04:37 eythian         wahanui: I'm not talking to you
04:37 wahanui         eythian: i'm not following you...
04:37 * eythian       gives up
04:37 BobB            Great start to the World Cup guys.  Party time in Wellington?
04:37 * eythian       is trying to avoid it as much as possible
04:38 BobB            Impossible.  :)
04:38 eythian         It's possible to try to avoid it :)
04:45 mtj             im def. avoiding any world-cup stuff
04:45 huginn          New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6496] authors appearing incorrectly in OPAC and Staff Client <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6496>
04:49 eythian         mtj: I'm getting headachey from paint fumes, so I think I'm going to go and study XSLT and/or docbook for a while, away from the office. That patch may have to wait until tomorrow, but I expect it'll still work then.
04:50 mtj             yep, im still poking at it now, so it ain't done yet
05:14 kulps           hmm, is the newbie guide still being worked on?
05:26 kulps           once I've added items to the catalog, do I need to refresh the database to make them searchable?
06:19 huginn          New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6636] a syspref to display 'powered by Koha' text to OPAC footer <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6636>
06:23 alex_a          hello
06:42 julian          hello!
06:43 rangi           hi alex_a, julian and francharb
06:43 francharb       hi rangi
06:43 francharb       hello #koha
06:57 reiveune        hello
07:00 magnuse         kia ora #koha
07:05 zipporah        Friends out there, I am failing to Batch modify the "Ordered" to "Available" (blank) status on the so many books that were erroneously entered as such. Though changing to statuses like "Not for Loan" or "Staff Collection" is working fine. So what should I do?
07:08 zipporah        By the way I using koha 3.2.
07:08 zipporah        magnuse: I can see you are logged in. Would you be able to assist?
07:09 magnuse         zipporah: sorry, i have no experience with batch modifications like that
07:17 zipporah        magnuse: Thanks though.
07:45 zipporah        Has anybody looked at my question? Any  answers plse.
07:46 zipporah        Friends out there, I am failing to Batch modify the "Ordered" to "Available" (blank) status on the so many books that were erroneously entered as such. Though changing to statuses like "Not for Loan" or "Staff Collection" is working fine. So what should I do?
07:46 wahanui         i already had it that way, zipporah.
07:46 zipporah        wahanui: Can you assist?
07:46 wahanui         no idea, zipporah
07:48 zipporah        Thanks, I wait for some others to join in.
07:54 zipporah        Friends out there, I am failing to Batch modify the "Ordered" to "Available" (blank) status on the so many books that were erroneously entered as such. Though changing to statuses like "Not for Loan" or "Staff Collection" is working fine. So what should I do?
07:54 wahanui         i already had it that way, zipporah.
07:59 zipporah        wahanui: Sorry I have received your message thought I ma not sure what you already had that way. Do you mean you had blank in that field?
07:59 wahanui         no idea, zipporah
08:00 magnuse         sorry zipporah, wahanui is just a bot trying to be friendly/clever ;-)
08:04 zipporah        Good day magnuse. I remember I had posed this question yesterday and you assisted by telling me to check on the value 0. Though I put in the description instead of being blank, I still cannot batch modify from "ordered"  whose value -1 to the value of 0 (zero). So what is the solution.
08:04 raj             hi
08:04 wahanui         bonjour, raj
08:05 raj             i am getting error 500
08:05 raj             wen i go to more->tools->Upload patron images
08:05 raj             Any help please
08:05 raj             i am using Koha 3.02.00.004
08:07 Oak             kia ora #koha
08:08 zipporah        magnuse: I am talking about the Authorized Values in Koha 3.2.
08:08 Oak             magnuse
08:10 magnuse         zipporah: i think i already told you i cant help you with that? it's quiet here now, not a lot of folks around, you might be better off sending an email to the list...
08:10 magnuse         Oak
08:11 zipporah        magnuse: I did but no response for a week now. Anyway let me re-email once more.
08:59 cait            hi #koha
09:05 Oak             Guten Tag cait :)
09:06 cait            hi Oak :)
09:17 huginn          New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6576] changing framework while cataloging looses data <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6576>
09:18 magnuse         guten morgen cait
09:19 cait            hi magnuse :)
09:19 kivilahtio      I have trouble adding items data to my Koha 3.4. I have just emptied the biblio, items, biblioitems, auth_header, sessions and zebraqueue databases. Then reset the Zebra indexer with  zebraidx -c /home/mason/koha/ashs/etc/zebradb/zebra-authorities-
09:19 kivilahtio      dom.cfg -g iso2709 -d authorities init
09:20 kivilahtio      zebraidx -c /home/mason/koha/ashs/etc/zebradb/zebra-biblios.cfg   -g iso2709 -d biblios  init
09:20 kivilahtio      and now i am again staging marc records with item data inside the 952 fields
09:21 kivilahtio      I stage the records via the koha staff pages and it says items are succesfully staged
09:21 kivilahtio      i do zebra indexing with flags -b -a
09:21 kivilahtio      but I cannot find those items
09:23 magnuse         did you import or just stage? not sure that's a relevant question, but it's the first thing i can think of...
09:23 kivilahtio      yes
09:23 kivilahtio      imported
09:23 kivilahtio      then staged
09:23 kivilahtio      items table in database is still empty
09:23 kivilahtio      even if the staging says 11 items added
09:23 kivilahtio      and zebra is reindexed
09:28 magnuse         hm, that's weird
09:29 magnuse         what subfields are you using for 952?
09:29 cait            do you have $b and $a with a valid branchcode?
09:29 kivilahtio      9,a,b,c,l,o,p,y
09:29 cait            I filed a bug because koha reports success even when it's not correct
09:29 kivilahtio      branchcodes are invalid
09:30 cait            then there you go
09:30 kivilahtio      but I previously imported the same items and they were succesfully imported even if branchcodes wereinvalid
09:30 cait            $a and $b need to be a branchcode that is associated with a library in your branches table
09:30 kivilahtio      branchcodes were reading 0001, even if no such branccode existed in koha
09:30 magnuse         bug 6852
09:30 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6852 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Staged import reports wrong success for items with false branchcode
09:30 cait            it should not import them if you don#t have the branchcode in your system
09:31 kivilahtio      roger
09:31 kivilahtio      that
09:31 kivilahtio      was my next task anyway :D Thanks #Koha, you are irreplaceable as ever
09:38 cait            kivilahtio: hope it helps :)
10:12 * rangi         wonders why kivilahtio is doing things in masons directory :)
10:15 kivilahtio      rangi: it was a post from the internets and didnt bother to replace mason to something else
10:15 kivilahtio      rangi: so nothing illegal hapening here,... yet
10:15 rangi           :)
10:19 rangi           bug 6755
10:19 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6755 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, m.de.rooy, ASSIGNED , Problems with switching languages
10:20 rangi           id fix that now, but im reinstalling my laptop and dont have x on it currently, so bit hard ;)
10:20 rangi           what needs to be done is marcels patch rewritten slightly so it doesnt use themelanguage from C4::Output
10:20 rangi           anyone willing to try? :)
10:30 cait            rangi: time problem :(
10:33 fredericd       rangi: I will try
10:43 rangi           thanks fredericd
11:01 raj             hi...when i go to more->tools->Upload patron images, i am getting error 500.
11:02 raj             any suggestion to over come this
11:16 hdl             raj: I guess this is because you miss one library in PERL should be perlmagick or libimage-magick-perl
11:16 hdl             more information should be provided in your koha apache logs.
11:16 hdl             in var/log/koha-error_log
11:52 cait            hi again #koha
12:48 oleonard        Happy Monday #koha
13:31 slef            oleonard: You're twisting my melon, man.
13:31 oleonard        ?
13:31 slef            oleonard: STFW
13:32 slef            you started it. Happy Monday indeed.
13:33 slef            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnBi-LNM0Og
13:33 oleonard        Whoa, nineties flashback.
13:34 druthb          o/
13:38 wizzyrea        good, uh, morning
13:38 wizzyrea        :)
13:39 oleonard        Any reason why we shouldn't approve the listing of Busara Core Solutions on the pay for support page? Requested Aug 26
13:45 * oleonard      is now on a YouTube tour of the early nineties
13:45 magnuse         hehe
13:46 * druthb        waves at wizzyrea
13:46 druthb          Lindsey has discovered that she is still a child; the childproof power cover thwarted her.
13:46 wizzyrea        haha!
13:53 * trea          waves
13:53 trea            morning
13:53 magnuse         o/
13:53 druthb          Hi, magnuse. :)
13:54 sekjal          morning, everyone
13:55 magnuse         kia ora western timezones
13:55 trea            kia ora norway
13:55 magnuse         yay!
13:56 druthb          Just got news on nengard--her surgery was a success, and she's in recovery now.
13:56 magnuse         2x yay!
13:58 wizzyrea        yay!
14:11 oleonard        paul_p: Could you update the previous patches on Bug 5725 and squash them? I get an error when trying to apply them because of the change to updatedatabase.pl
14:11 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5725 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , Batch modifications for Biblios
14:11 paul_p          oleonard, ok, will do asap
14:11 oleonard        Thanks
14:22 wizzyrea        bleh, nothing on bug 3498.
14:22 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3498 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, colin.campbell, ASSIGNED , Allow partial fine payments
14:23 kulps           Good morning (for me anyway) #koha
14:24 wizzyrea        mornin
14:24 kulps           reading the buffer it looks like somebody else had a similar issue to me overnight, I added my first items to the catalog but am unable to search them. Do I need to manually force an index of Zebra?
14:25 wizzyrea        every new koha user has that problem.
14:25 kulps           hurray! I'm not alone.
14:25 wizzyrea        searching faq?
14:25 wahanui         searching faq is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/
14:26 kulps           I searched the cataloging section
14:26 wizzyrea        see #3
14:26 wizzyrea        typo, #4
14:27 wizzyrea        but yes, you're probably running into the fact that your zebra cron isn't running
14:27 kulps           I'm glad to hear it's not insurmountable, I'm sad to see the answer was so readily available.
14:27 kulps           Thanks for pointing me in the right direction
14:27 wizzyrea        no worries, yw :)
14:28 wizzyrea        we really ought to update that faq to indicate the (at least 2) other reasons that searching fails
14:31 kulps           hmm, reading that I'm not really sure what I need to do (with the disclaimer that I'm not a proficient linux user)
14:33 wizzyrea        well, first, try a forced index
14:34 sekjal          oleonard:  T:T style question, if you have a moment
14:35 oleonard        Sure
14:35 kulps           from within the gui or is there a script in the koha folder I should run?>
14:35 sekjal          when doing a test for a variable's existence, I see our standard is [% ( condition ) %].
14:35 sekjal          are the parentheses necessary?
14:35 oleonard        I don't know
14:36 sekjal          I don't think necessarily are, functionality
14:36 sekjal          err, functionally
14:36 sekjal          but stylistically...
14:36 oleonard        http://template-toolkit.org/docs/manual/Syntax.html
14:36 oleonard        I see examples of [% IF foo %] on that page
14:37 sekjal          yes, reading that now
14:37 sekjal          looks like it's not necessary, then
14:37 sekjal          okay
14:37 sekjal          I suppose this becomes a question of coding style
14:37 sekjal          is it worth being a stickler about it, when there is no defined community style standard for it yet?
14:37 sekjal          hmmm
14:39 oleonard        I guess I'd say there's a defined standard based on what's in the templates now
14:39 wizzyrea        though, remember the style was put there by a script
14:39 * oleonard      bows to our machine overlords
14:39 wizzyrea        hehe
14:42 sekjal          perhaps my regex-fu isn't strong enough this morning, but I cannot find a counterexample to the convention in the current codebase
14:42 wizzyrea        sounds like we've invented a standard for ourselves then :)
14:43 sekjal          I'm all for standards
14:43 sekjal          unfortunately, if we apply this one now, we'll have to send 3498 back for modification
14:43 sekjal          it does not make use of parentheses in it's T:T IF's
14:44 sekjal          seems a rather trivial thing to reject a patch over, though...
14:44 wizzyrea        well, yes
14:44 sekjal          perhaps I should just do the cleanup myself and resubmit the patch with my signoff
14:44 * wizzyrea      looks at the patch
14:44 wizzyrea        1s
14:45 * sekjal        took a second to realize that was a "one" not and "L"... was about to list the connects of my current directory
14:45 wizzyrea        hehe
14:47 wizzyrea        yea, it's just those two files that don't use the parens
14:47 wizzyrea        if you'd rather I can clean them up?
14:47 wizzyrea        my libs really want it
14:47 wizzyrea        to the point of sabre rattling
14:47 oleonard        wizzyrea is a maverick.
14:48 wizzyrea        !
14:48 oleonard        ...with your casual discarding of parentheses.
14:48 wizzyrea        dude, wasn't my patch!
14:48 oleonard        Oh, my mistake. You're an obedient conformist.
14:49 * wizzyrea      scowls at being compared to John McCain.
14:50 sekjal          wizzyrea:  if you were to add those parentheses in, I think it'd be safe to pass it through QA
14:50 kulps           wizzyrea, should I see errors after running rebuild_zebra.pl?
14:50 * wizzyrea      gets to work
14:50 sekjal          most of it is new subroutines and scripts, and all the tests I'm hearing are positive.
14:58 * wizzyrea      loves having selenium tests to run for this
14:58 wizzyrea        best idea evar
14:58 wizzyrea        and it passes with the parens.
14:59 * wizzyrea      whips up a patch
15:00 sekjal          wehoo!
15:07 hdl             hi
15:09 Oak             hello #koha
15:13 reiveune        bye
15:14 wizzyrea        sekjal: I squashed the IF updates, the documentation, and the original together
15:14 wizzyrea        as a new patch
15:14 wizzyrea        it's attached to the bug
15:14 sekjal          wizzyrea++
15:22 Bengard         hello all
15:22 Bengard         I'm here on behalf of Nicole Engard, who is even as we speak recovering from surgery
15:24 trea            greetings Bengard
15:26 Oak             Hello Bengard
15:26 wizzyrea        please send her hugs
15:26 wizzyrea        from kansas
15:26 wizzyrea        well, if they don't hurt too much
15:26 Bengard         will do
15:26 Oak             tell her to get get well soon and take good care of her
15:27 wizzyrea        if it does hurt, a gentle loving squeeze of the hand will do
15:27 Bengard         she says thanks
15:27 wizzyrea        :D
15:27 Bengard         been there, done that
15:27 Bengard         but will go there again
15:27 Bengard         she's trying out her first "meal" after surgery now
15:28 wizzyrea        you snuck her in a cheeseburger right?
15:28 hdl             Bengard: big hug from Marseille to her
15:28 Bengard         she wouldn't eat a cheeseburger if I did!
15:29 Oak             what is she having now?
15:30 huginn          New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6755] Problems with switching languages <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6755>
15:30 wizzyrea        etherpad?
15:30 wizzyrea        hrmph.
15:30 wizzyrea        anybody know where rangi stashed the k-c.org etherpad?
15:31 wizzyrea        I guess it's this
15:31 wizzyrea        http://etherpad.koha-community.org:9000/
15:31 wizzyrea        but it looks like it's broken
15:31 Bengard         soup, I think
15:31 Oak             hm
15:31 Oak             soup is good
15:32 * oleonard      didn't know about etherpad
15:32 wizzyrea        it's neat
15:32 Bengard         it's just chicken broth
15:33 rhcl            wonder if he changed the default port?
15:33 rhcl            Note: the port can be changed in etherpad-trunk/trunk/etherpad/etc/etherpad.localdev-default.properties.
15:38 sekjal          wizzyrea:  yes, it seems prone crashing... I got that same error message last week when Chris showed it to me
15:38 sekjal          he was able to fix it quickly, though
15:38 sekjal          still on 9000
15:41 cait            hi #koha
15:45 fredericd       cait: Would you mind testing bug 6755?
15:45 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6755 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, m.de.rooy, ASSIGNED , Problems with switching languages
15:45 cait            fredericd: I can#t do it before thursday i fear :(
15:46 cait            or perhaps wednesday - but not so likely
15:46 cait            perhaps magnus_afk could?
15:48 trea            o/ hi cait
15:48 cait            hi trea
16:02 fredericd       cait: or maybe rangi who has the circular dependency issue
16:02 fredericd       who has 'found'
16:05 vfernandes      hi Koha comunity :)
16:07 vfernandes      it's possible to check which was the staff responsible to do some check out?
16:09 cait            the logs should show it
16:09 cait            if you have activated them
16:10 vfernandes      my logs are all activated
16:18 cait            vfernandes: then you can use tools > logs to find out
16:29 kulps           does anybody know why koha-create --create-db lib would return "does not exist"?
16:30 magnus_afk      kulps:
16:30 magnus_afk      yup, it could be an error i made
16:30 magnus_afk      have you got the most recent version of the script?
16:30 kulps           yes
16:30 kulps           well, I did the install an hour ago
16:30 kulps           I assume it's pretty recent
16:31 magnus_afk      check if line 118 says if [ "$configfile" != "" ]
16:32 magnus_afk      if it doesn't it's fixed by this patch: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commit;h=31bb901e2b31748dd86e7da45672c42a5359c5a4
16:32 kulps           # Load the configfile given on the command line
16:33 magnus_afk      and then "if [ -e "$configfile" ]"
16:33 magnus_afk      ?
16:33 kulps           yes
16:33 kulps           sorry, the java paste was incomplete
16:33 magnus_afk      that's the problem, then
16:34 kulps           can I just edit it here or should I get the patch?
16:35 magnus_afk      hm, i would get the patch, i think
16:35 kulps           k
16:37 magnus_afk      or update to the latest version from git - depends on how you are running things
16:39 kulps           I'm not great with linux, so I'm currently reading how to use git to get that patch
16:39 kulps           :)
16:40 magnus_afk      the quick and (very) dirty way would be to just make sure koha-create looks like this around line 117: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=debian/scripts/koha-create;h=fee39b788931f761bd6dc0a822550e832ec20d9b;hb=refs/heads/3.4.x#l117
16:41 magnus_afk      depends on whether you are just "fooling around" or running things in production ;-)
16:42 kulps           not production
16:42 kulps           just trying to get it setup at all though
16:42 kulps           I have the git clone going now
16:43 magnus_afk      are you building your own packages or using the ones from debian.koha-community.org?
16:43 kulps           I had compiled it this weekend since not everything says that 3.4.4 is available by package (and I wanted the latest... right)
16:43 kulps           but then my indexing was fubared
16:44 kulps           and when I went to rip it out I learned I had no zebra daemon
16:44 kulps           anyway...
16:44 kulps           the nice folks here told me that the deb package was up to date
16:44 kulps           so I thouhgt I'd just start again
16:45 kulps           and now I'm using the package
16:46 magnus_afk      the fix for your problem was added to 3.4.x 9 days ago according to git, and the most recent package is probably slightly older than that
16:47 kulps           neat, well I certainly don't begrudge having to do a little legwork to make it go, it's a lot better than building my own ILS
16:47 magnus_afk      hehe, yeah!
16:48 magnus_afk      what i would do then, if i were you, is to just fix koha-create by hand, and then it will be fixed for good next time you update the packages
16:48 kulps           yeah?
16:48 kulps           okay
16:55 kulps           magnus_afk: I feel, and the system agrees, that I did this wrong http://pastebin.com/J0zTYKwW
16:57 magnus_afk      kulps: yeah, it should be more like this: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=debian/scripts/koha-create;hb=dedc0e1e1c1e79d8e72f1c52d05979031b1acb3c#l117 ;-)
17:01 kulps           success
17:01 magnus_afk      yay
17:01 kulps           sorry to bother you with such trivial things
17:01 magnus_afk      no problem!
17:04 kulps           does koha-create also follow kohaadmin/katikoan or does it use another username/password?
17:05 magnus_afk      username is koha_instancename
17:05 magnus_afk      password is randomly generated
17:06 magnus_afk      you will find it in the koha-config.xml of an instance
17:06 fredericd       For those intersted, the state of my 'thinking' and test about splitting and shriking Koha Git repository: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_Splitting_and_Shrinking
17:27 kulps           magnus_afk, I tried to locate koha-config.xml and came up with nothing, did I miss a step somewhere?
17:28 magnus_afk      i think it's in /etc/koha/sites/YOURSITE/ ?
17:29 kulps           koha-conf.xml
17:29 kulps           I was too literal
17:29 kulps           :)
17:30 kulps           great success
17:33 magnus_afk      yay
17:34 magnus_afk      the packages are awesome!
17:40 * magnus_afk    looks out of the window http://www.flickr.com/photos/enger/6140606719/
17:40 wizzyrea        gorgeous
17:40 wizzyrea        great phot
17:40 wizzyrea        o
17:40 magnus_afk      thanks ;-)
17:41 * wizzyrea      sets that as her desktop background
17:41 magnus_afk      ooh ;-)
17:43 wizzyrea        magnuse: http://screencast.com/t/t0qIPvyCo
17:44 wizzyrea        awfully purty
17:44 cait            oh!
17:45 * oleonard-away wonders about the icon on wizzyrea's menu bar which turns red when it's time for another glass of wine
17:45 wizzyrea        :)
17:45 wizzyrea        actually that's wine for mac
17:45 wizzyrea        wine is not an emulator, you know
17:46 * oleonard-away did not know that
17:50 slef            wine?
17:50 wahanui         wine is not usually the best for programming :)
17:51 magnus_afk      very cool, wizzyrea :-)
17:55 trea            "don't su after 2", as they say.
17:57 magnus_afk      who says?
17:58 trea            well, people who don't like to sysadmin under the influence apparently. :P
17:58 magnus_afk      ah :-)
17:59 trea            buncha teetotalers:P
17:59 magnus_afk      hmf
17:59 trea            hehe
18:00 wizzyrea        frankly, after 2, I'm probably not thinking about work at all anymore.
18:01 magnus_afk      am or pm?
18:01 wizzyrea        2 drinks :)
18:01 magnus_afk      a ha!
18:01 wizzyrea        no su after two (drinks)
18:01 trea            or what have you
18:01 magnus_afk      gotcha!
18:01 wizzyrea        :D
18:16 * libsysguy     wanders in...its so quiet
18:16 wizzyrea        *nod* busy workin :)
18:20 libsysguy       sekjal have you seen bug 6431
18:20 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6431 enhancement, P5, ---, chris, NEW , New Circulation modules for Hourly Circulation
18:20 cait            hi libsysguy and sekjal :)
18:20 libsysguy       hey cait :)
18:28 libsysguy       how do I link borrowers to biblios
18:28 libsysguy       is it issues?
18:31 wizzyrea        what are you trying to ascertain?
18:32 libsysguy       i am running a report to get the amount of fines per patron...which i stole from the wiki...but I want to put in the description of the item
18:32 libsysguy       but I can't really find the description field either lol
18:33 cait            description of th item?
18:33 wizzyrea        well issues will have an itemnumber
18:33 cait            do you mean the title of the book?
18:33 wizzyrea        with itemnumber you can get bibnumber
18:33 libsysguy       Margo said she wanted the item description?
18:34 cait            there is no field with that name
18:34 cait            not sure what she meant
18:34 wizzyrea        probably title/author
18:34 wizzyrea        sec
18:34 cait            the barcode, the title of the item, some other field?
18:34 libsysguy       me either...im asking
18:34 wizzyrea        that's what my peeps always want
18:35 wizzyrea        probably something like items.itemnumber, biblio.title, biblio.author, items.itemcallnumber,
18:35 wizzyrea        items.barcode,
18:35 libsysguy       ohh i think she just wanted the note
18:35 wizzyrea        the patron note?
18:35 wizzyrea        or the bib note
18:36 libsysguy       bib note? and the description of charges
18:36 cait            public note or opac note from items?
18:36 wizzyrea        there are tons of notes all over the place
18:37 libsysguy       i think it might be the issues note?
18:38 wizzyrea        no note in issues
18:38 libsysguy       hmm
18:38 libsysguy       where is the description of charges held?
18:38 libsysguy       maybe it is close to there
18:38 wizzyrea        accountlines I think
18:39 wizzyrea        accountlines.note
18:39 libsysguy       ah ha there is a description in there
18:39 wizzyrea        right, note is the bit you type in
18:40 wizzyrea        yea, description is what you want
18:40 wizzyrea        stuff like "Ars Magica /OVERDUE"
18:40 wizzyrea        is in my data
18:40 libsysguy       apparently I need note and description
18:40 libsysguy       both of those fields are populated
18:40 wizzyrea        yea, note is generated by the librarian
18:41 wizzyrea        something they type in
18:41 wizzyrea        somewhere along the line
18:41 libsysguy       I have stuff like OVERDUE fine migrated from Unicorn on Letter to my daughter / (0000001865062) in descripton
18:41 wizzyrea        yea, it looks like a lot of that depends on how it is migrated in
18:41 libsysguy       yeah I think so too
18:41 * wizzyrea      wonders what native koha descriptions look like, if anything
18:43 wizzyrea        looks like: Dora's slumber party! 09/08/2011
18:44 wizzyrea        Payment, thanks is another one
18:44 wizzyrea        heh
18:50 cait            in other words: evil untranslatable stuff :(
18:53 maximep         who setup jenkins.koha-community.org ? Id be curious to have a look at the config
18:53 maximep         because theres chances we will setup one internally for testing koha
18:54 wizzyrea        rangi I think
18:54 rhcl            so wizzyrea: you gonna apply for the job in Se?
18:54 wizzyrea        that's really tempting, but I'm cool I think :)
18:54 wizzyrea        (really, it is.)
18:54 wizzyrea        (and I don't speak swedish)
18:54 rhcl            I think it would be a great opportunity.
18:55 rhcl            So you learn Sweedish. How hard can it be? I learned Korean.
18:55 wizzyrea        beyond Tack så mycket
18:56 rhcl            And to work on a project standing up something fantastically interesting like a "global center of maritime information".
18:56 wizzyrea        maybe you should apply ;)
18:56 rhcl            I ain't a librarian. I'm a sysadmin.
18:56 wizzyrea        technicality, really.
18:57 rhcl            Besides, I want to go work in Norway where I can go fishing in magnuse's pond and eat reindeer steak.
18:58 magnuse         yay
18:58 Danielle        That I was a sysadmin and not a librarian is why I switched jobs in 1999-2000.
18:59 * magnuse       doesn't have a pond
18:59 magnuse         i'm not sure you need swedish for that job at the maritime university
19:00 trea            yea, only asks for strong english skills
19:00 wizzyrea        but you know
19:00 wizzyrea        when in sweden
19:00 wizzyrea        speak swedish?
19:00 wizzyrea        idk
19:01 kulps           hmmm, is it a known issue that a marc record not marked as mandatory would throw an error when left blank during item creation?
19:01 rhcl            The job requirements list does include a lot of sysadmin stuff...
19:01 wizzyrea        see? you should totally apply ;)
19:02 rhcl            tempting thought...tempting....
19:03 magnuse         i'm sure you could figure out the librarian bits as you go along!
19:03 rhcl            http://www.flickr.com/photos/enger/6140606719/    <-- pond, big pond
19:04 magnuse         aka "the ocean"
19:04 magnuse         ;-)
19:04 rhcl            yea, and I'd be interviewing, and they'd ask what information goes in the 355 field, and I'd say something like "rare, medium, or well-done".
19:05 wizzyrea        @marc 355
19:05 huginn          wizzyrea: Specifics pertaining to the security classification associated with the document, title, abstract, contents note, and/or the author. In addition, it can contain handling instructions and external dissemination information pertaining to the dissemination of the document, title, abstract, contents note, and author. The field may also contain downgrading or declassification data, the name of the (1 more message)
19:05 wizzyrea        see, easy enough.
19:05 * wizzyrea      starts a campaign to convince you
19:05 rhcl            Ah, Ok, so that has "Confidential, Secret, and Top Secret"
19:06 rhcl            It is the sort of position you'd like to hear about a year in advance, so you could study up on the subject...
19:20 * oleonard      checks his email and finally understands what everyone was talking about
19:22 magnuse         did you see that job at the world maritime uni, btw?
19:22 oleonard        yes, that
19:23 * magnuse       wrote that in the wrong window...
19:27 magnuse         kia ora paul_p
19:27 paul_p          hello magnuse
19:27 magnuse         paul_p: how far is the nuclear spill from marseille?
19:28 paul_p          about 100km
19:28 wizzyrea        nuclear spill!
19:28 magnuse         that's not too much!
19:28 * wizzyrea      has not read the news today
19:28 kulps           when I try and create an item for a biblio record I get the following message, 1 mandatory fields empty (see bold subfields), when I check the marc structure, the bolded subfiels is not listed as mandatory. If I ignore the subfield and try to add the item again it errors on another subfield that is also not listed as mandatory. Any thoughts?
19:29 cait            nuclear spill??!!
19:29 wizzyrea        http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/09/12/france.nuclear/index.html
19:29 wizzyrea        looks like more of a "problem at a nuclear plant that doesn't involve radioactivity"
19:30 wizzyrea        but I admit that's the first article I've looked at
19:32 magnuse         i only read the headline, i see it says no spill, but a fear of loosing control of the sitatuin
19:32 magnuse         s/sitatuin/situation/
19:36 rangi           kulps: haven't seen that before, default framework?
19:36 rangi           and what is the first subfield its complaining about?
19:36 kulps           as default as can be trusted after my failed attempt to compile myself
19:36 kulps           copy note
19:37 kulps           then call number
19:37 kulps           all in 995
19:38 kulps           I just built it this morning using the debian package
19:39 kulps           magnuse helped me quite a lot
19:41 magnuse         kulps: marc21 or unimarc?
19:41 cait            995 - are you using unimarc and the packages?
19:42 kulps           yes
19:42 kulps           should I change to marc21, I wasn't really sure, I read that unimarc was better for multicountry and was having trouble finding entries with my last build (which I used marc21 for)
19:43 magnuse         hm, not sure how much that has been tested...
19:43 kulps           I had no solid reason to chose either one, if marc21 is more stable I'll happily go back to it
19:46 wizzyrea        where are you, kulps?
19:46 wizzyrea        (marc21 is "american marc")
19:47 kulps           canada
19:47 magnuse         i think in connection with the packages, marc21 has been tested more than unimarc, but both should be pretty stable, and i can't think why unimarc would not work i the packages...
19:48 rangi           canada uses, a
19:48 rangi           marc21
19:51 kulps           noted
19:51 kulps           can I easily change or do I have to re-setup?
19:52 rangi           you'd have to ask someone from france about unimarc, but theres no reason it shouldn't work with the packages
19:53 rangi           but I dont know the framework set up so dont know what is or isnt mandatory
19:53 kulps           http://lists.katipo.co.nz/public/koha/2011-February/027571.html
19:53 kulps           does this entry seem correct?
19:53 kulps           I dont mind dropping and rebuilding the instance, since I've only got 2 records in it
19:54 rangi           id do that
19:54 kulps           alright, will do
19:55 kulps           eventually I'll get this right!
19:56 magnuse         kulps: you will, and that is a great feeling! ;-)
19:56 kulps           I've been wondering, how big is the biggest koha deployment?
19:58 huginn          New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6855] bullet point showing in wrong place on error message <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6855>
19:58 wizzyrea        pretty big, a million + bibs
19:58 rangi           9 mill
19:58 rangi           in venezuala
19:58 wizzyrea        x9 apparently
19:58 libsysguy       0_0
19:58 libsysguy       o.m.g
19:58 wizzyrea        there you have it :)
19:58 rangi           national library
19:58 rangi           doesn't do much circ
19:59 rangi           amount of circ is the interesting thing
19:59 wizzyrea        9 million bibs?
19:59 rangi           ie how much stuff changes
19:59 rangi           I have a zebra with 30mil records in it
20:00 rangi           its not a worry
20:00 rangi           its transactions that put load on
20:00 libsysguy       ^^
20:00 libsysguy       writing locks the tables :'(
20:00 magnuse         Biblioteca Nacional de Venezuela http://www.librarytechnology.org/lwc-displaylibrary.pl?RC=927
20:00 jcamins_away    rangi: 30 million records? Wow!
20:01 kulps           neat
20:01 kulps           just curious, again, most users?
20:02 rangi           libsysguy: actually innodb row locks
20:02 rangi           writes are ok
20:02 wizzyrea        wait it says 7 million volumes
20:02 rangi           its actually apache that suffers
20:02 oleonard        They must have done a smidge of weeding
20:02 rangi           ah I might have misremembered
20:03 rangi           kulps: we have no idea, its all self reported
20:03 rangi           there are thousands of users we know of, and highly likely thousands more we dont
20:04 wizzyrea        but we do know that BNV has 7 million volumes, and that's quite a lot
20:04 wizzyrea        and they do in fact run koha, so there's that.
20:04 rangi           id guess delhi public is busy
20:04 wizzyrea        oo yea
20:04 cait            night all
20:05 wizzyrea        gnite cait
20:05 rangi           cya cait
20:05 magnuse         is the bnv catalogue public? i tried to find it a while ago, but had no luck
20:05 rangi           could email them magnuse
20:05 magnuse         yeah, didn't get that far...
20:06 jcamins_away    magnuse: it was at one point. I remember looking at it.
20:06 magnuse         jcamins_away: cool!
20:07 jcamins_away    magnuse: no idea where, though.
20:07 jcamins_away    magnuse: it's a little strange looking.
20:07 talljoy         is there active development on an 'Advanced Patron Search' functionality
20:07 talljoy         ?
20:08 wizzyrea        define advanced patron search?
20:08 talljoy         search by address or phone number
20:08 wizzyrea        like, searching on extended attributes?
20:08 wizzyrea        I thought there was... sec
20:08 talljoy         i found an 'abandoned RFC' for it in the wiki.
20:09 wizzyrea        http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6253
20:09 huginn          04Bug 6253: normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , Unified Patron Search subroutine
20:09 wizzyrea        by bywater, no less.
20:10 * talljoy       feels abit chagrined for not asking there first......oops
20:10 wizzyrea        hehe don't
20:10 talljoy         lol.  those guys are so busy.  hate to bother them some times.
20:10 sekjal          talljoy:  there is the "unified patron search subroutine" work, which is in testing
20:10 wizzyrea        ^^
20:10 wizzyrea        :)
20:10 sekjal          and there is also "advanced patron search"
20:10 sekjal          which is something else
20:11 sekjal          MassCat paid for a feature to do that, and they're interested in getting it back now that that particular bit of code has been released
20:11 talljoy         what is unified patron search versus advanced patron search?
20:11 wizzyrea        sekjal do you know the bug for the advanced patron search
20:11 wizzyrea        oh it's one of THOSe
20:11 talljoy         ?
20:14 sekjal          wizzyrea: I'm not sure the bug report (if there ever was one)
20:14 wizzyrea        k
20:14 * wizzyrea      will have a poke-see
20:14 sekjal          talljoy:  unified search routine is just to make the existing search we have work consistently in different contexts.  right now there are two routines, each doing it a little different
20:15 sekjal          advanced search would introduce a new page with more search fields, and also a means for bulk-editing of patrons
20:15 jcamins_away    I think RHCL was talking about that advanced search feature.
20:15 * oleonard      is surprised to see searching and editing linked as goals, but would be happy to see both
20:16 sekjal          oleonard:  they were part of the same contracted development, even though they are distinct features
20:16 sekjal          all in one commit together
20:17 pastebot        "rangi" at 202.78.240.7 pasted "for maximep" (14 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/34
20:22 rangi           magnuse: you saw the job in sweden eh?
20:23 magnuse         rangi: yup, but i think i'll try and stick with libriotech a little longer... ;-)
20:23 rangi           i just thought you might know someone ;)
20:24 magnuse         ah yes, well developer-librarians are few and far between in this neck of the woods
20:24 rangi           hmm cait
20:24 rangi           :)
20:24 magnuse         there was a somewhat similar position in stavanger in the south west of norway not too long ago
20:25 * magnuse       did suggest it to cait, yes... ;-)
20:25 rangi           :)
20:26 rhcl            My TS supervisor wants to do reports on item record notes.
20:32 magnuse         o/
20:33 druthb          \o
20:34 oleonard        'o'
20:34 druthb          \o/
20:34 druthb          ^.^
20:35 wizzyrea        we're gonna stay at the "  \o/ ^o^ /o/ /o\
20:35 rangi           heya druthb
20:35 druthb          hi, rangi. :D
20:37 libsysguy       wizzyrea: is that a regex?
20:37 wizzyrea        lol no
20:37 libsysguy       well thats disappointing :p
20:37 * druthb        thinks libsysguy is TOO YOUNG to understand the reference.
20:37 libsysguy       awww
20:38 maximep         wow, got it after u said he was too young haha
20:38 druthb          lol
20:39 wizzyrea        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAYHQWz3i7I&feature=related
20:39 wizzyrea        for you whippersnappers.
20:41 rangi           hi fcapo
20:41 fcapo           hi
20:42 rangi           3498 is in the wild .. or at least in master
20:43 * wizzyrea      cheers
20:43 rangi           http://soundcloud.com/dashtotald/dash-totald-tea-party <-- to celebrate
20:43 rhcl            Speaking of regex, I casually wonder if rexx might not have some value with generating reports in Koha? Maybe sometime when my tech assistant is lesser employed I'll sic it on him as a research project.
20:43 * libsysguy     wishes hourly was in master so he could track it again
20:44 huginn          New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 3498 [ENH] Allow Partial Payment of Fines <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=507c7f422485aaf7ae601b0a84bacdbaedac061c>
20:45 rangi           libsysguy: checkout -b my_hourly kc/new/awaiting_qa/bug_5549
20:45 rangi           git merge kc/master
20:45 rangi           (substitute kc for origin or whatevere you call upstream)
20:45 libsysguy_class ohh I can merge
20:46 libsysguy_class doh
20:46 rangi           do it on a test machine first of course ;)
20:46 wizzyrea        backups!
20:46 wahanui         backups are every night...and nothing changed this morning
20:46 libsysguy_class right right...they might killme if i break prod again
20:46 libsysguy_class ok gotta run
20:46 libsysguy_class later #Koha
20:46 wizzyrea        byee
20:46 rangi           cya libsysguy_class
20:52 sekjal          so, if y'all wanted to browse authority records in the OPAC (or staff client, whichever), what info would you want to see about an authority?
20:57 rhcl            An OPAC would primarily be for patron's right? I'm thinking patrons might not really need to see much from the authority records?
20:58 sekjal          it would serve could serve as a thesaurus for broader, narrower, related and obsolete terms
21:04 kulps           ladies and gents, it looks like I've got a basic, but working, install
21:04 rhcl            congrats!
21:05 kulps           I only have one record in, but it's searchable, it pulls the amazon jacket and doesn't throw errors when adding records
21:05 wizzyrea        yay!
21:05 kulps           now I just need to go home and catalog the rest
21:05 rhcl            well, what more could you possibly want?
21:07 kulps           a better understanding of all the other features I'm not yet using
21:07 kulps           :)
21:10 magnuse         kulps++
21:10 rangi           !jenkins build koha_master now
21:10 jenkins_koha    rangi: job koha_master build scheduled now
21:14 huginn          New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'kc/new/enh/bug_6716' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=35e3aa9a3758a62f00c430b017fa9ce90dc36def> / Bug 6716: Document suggestions DB table <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6a6edfeec8c1bb3ad090be49dbb175b0d9cbd432> / Bug 6716 - Define reports_dictionary table <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdif
21:15 rangi           !jenkins build koha_master now
21:15 jenkins_koha    rangi: job koha_master build scheduled now
21:15 jenkins_koha    Starting build 408 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #385 25 j ago)
21:22 jenkins_koha    Starting build 42 for job Koha_3.4.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
21:28 rangi           http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/fan-central/5611874/South-African-tourists-19-000km-off-track
21:29 wizzyrea        hehe!
21:31 magnuse         heh
21:31 magnuse         not sure i'd want my face in the paper along with that story...
21:32 kulps           it's not exactly a good reflection on ones self, hey...
21:33 rangi           nengard!!! how you doing?
21:34 nengard         pretty darn good
21:34 rangi           yay!
21:34 wizzyrea        have you had your first walk with the new hip?
21:34 nengard         they got me up to walk and the first time i thought i'd die ? the second i walked up and down the hall
21:34 wizzyrea        oooo
21:35 nengard         ::)
21:35 nengard         am a bit drugged adn typing funny
21:35 wizzyrea        dying = bad
21:35 nengard         but wanted to say hi to you a.l
21:35 nengard         all
21:35 wizzyrea        but making it the 2nd time
21:35 wizzyrea        = good
21:35 wizzyrea        hehe
21:35 nengard         Brooke came to see me!!! she's awesom
21:35 nengard         awesome
21:35 nengard         Brooke++
21:35 wizzyrea        lol put down the keyboard
21:36 wizzyrea        have a rest :)
21:37 * magnuse       waves to nengard
21:37 wizzyrea        but, i'm super glad you are feeling well so far
21:37 * nengard       waves back
21:38 nengard         everyone left to get dinner
21:38 nengard         so i'm alone
21:38 wizzyrea        oooo
21:38 nengard         and wanted to say hi to my other family
21:38 wizzyrea        hehe
21:38 nengard         they'll be back soon
21:38 nengard         and then i'll close the laptop and sleep
21:39 rangi           you could rescue my plants in monsterworld
21:39 rangi           that would be better than working ;)
21:39 wizzyrea        hehe
21:41 nengard         rangi i'm not working
21:41 rangi           good
21:41 nengard         i'm talking to you all :)
21:41 * magnuse       wishes #koha a good night (or other time of the day)
21:42 rangi           cya magnuse
21:45 nengard         okay alll my eyes don't want to stay open
21:45 nengard         i'll talk to you all later
21:46 huginn          New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'kc/new/bug_6458' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=74b62cd752942b13b9e15a4d1e49ccf45b19ab69> / Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing / results <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=282a2d60b830b22661cc0324a84b7c17b7b905d1> / Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing / suggestion <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?
21:59 sekjal          oooh, fun Friday idea (coming at you a few days early):
21:59 wizzyrea        rangi is there a wiki page for the HTP -> TT conversion process? I couldn't find it
21:59 rangi           nope
21:59 rangi           there were a bunch of emails tho
21:59 wizzyrea        cool, i'll just grab your mail message and slap it in one then
21:59 rangi           yep
21:59 sekjal          strip down the borrowers table to the bare minimum of system-required information (name, cardnumber, branchcode, category code, dateexpiry, flags, etc)
21:59 sekjal          and move all the contact and other info into the borrowers Authority Record
22:01 jcamins         Heh.
22:01 wizzyrea        hmm
22:01 sekjal          much more extensible
22:01 sekjal          can be wired to other people in more than just a "guarantor/guarantee" relationship
22:02 sekjal          great for academic institutions where many professors are authors of works kept by the library
22:02 chobbs          Hi all! Why must LDAP be so frustrating :) I had it working before. Now I'm getting the error reported in bug 6823, but fankly the submitter's claim that he solved it on the LDAP side makes little sense.
22:02 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6823 blocker, P5, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED INVALID, ldap auth broken in 3.5.10 master
22:03 wizzyrea        http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Htp-to-tt-conversion
22:03 rangi           chobbs: the guy had 2 issues going on
22:03 chobbs          Not sure how a weird LDAP server configuration makes Koha report an "Undefined subroutine" error.
22:03 rangi           the real problem
22:03 wahanui         the real problem is using squid as a reverse proxy .... thats a bad idea :)
22:03 rangi           no that was unrelated
22:03 sekjal          chobbs:  this was as problem with CAS authentication bugfix, which has subsequently been pulled
22:04 wizzyrea        forget the real problem
22:04 wahanui         wizzyrea: I forgot real problem
22:04 * sekjal        chuckles at wahanui
22:04 rangi           his real problem someone had changed the the ldap setup on server side, and his mapping was busted
22:04 chobbs          wow, I sure hope that's a bot :)
22:04 rangi           that checkpw_ldap was a red herring, and yes the commit causing it has been pulled
22:04 rangi           so latest master is clean
22:05 chobbs          But how does a busted mapping result in an undefined subroutine? And can I back that out in my git repo?
22:05 chobbs          So if I update git I should be good as well?
22:05 sekjal          chobbs:  yes
22:05 chobbs          I'm off to git it :)
22:05 sekjal          update, and ye shall be cured!
22:08 wizzyrea        lkater peps
22:08 rangi           chobbs: it doesnt result in an undef subroutine
22:08 rangi           like i say, that was unrelated to his real problem
22:21 * sekjal        is having a bit of fun figuring out how to fix up authorities
22:21 sekjal          make them first-class citizens of the ILS
22:26 huginn          New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 4945] Patron search is limited by default to the currently logged-in library <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4945> / [Bug 5226] MARC21 field 545 missing <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5226>
22:36 huginn          New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6651 - fix splitting of names when updating to 3.4 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ae022e9a22a4631216c43399609d8aae62d23fb5> / Fix for Bug 6609, Clean up guided reports dictionary entry process <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6ba210af184930f530bb6ed458fbf1034f52c734>
22:40 jenkins_koha    Project Koha_master build #408: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 h 24 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/408/
22:40 jenkins_koha    * ian.walls: Enh 6165: Add OPACResultsSidebar system preference
22:40 jenkins_koha    * Chris Cormack: Bumpding database version
22:40 jenkins_koha    * ian.walls: Bug 6860: SyndeticsClientCode improperly scoped on many OPAC pages
22:40 jenkins_koha    * ian.walls: Bug 6863: Shelf Browser images not showing up
22:40 jenkins_koha    * ian.walls: Bug 6861: Fast Add returns to circ/circulation.pl in all cases
22:40 jenkins_koha    * robin: Bug 6857: display a charge warning alert for reserves
22:40 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6860 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED , syndetics covers not showing on search results or shelf browse
22:40 jenkins_koha    * nengard: Follow up to Bug 6857: Change language from 'reserve' to 'hold'
22:40 jenkins_koha    * meenakshi.r: Bug id:6783 - Circulation restrictions dont work when other withdrawn reasons are used
22:40 jenkins_koha    * magnus: Bug 6517 - [REVISED] koha-create wants "use database" in DEFAULTSQL
22:40 jenkins_koha    * nengard: Bug 6716 - Document Borrowers Table
22:40 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6863 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED , covers missing from shelf browse for various services
22:40 jenkins_koha    * nengard: Bug 6716 - MySQL definition for authorised values table
22:40 jenkins_koha    * nengard: Bug 6716 - MySQL Table Documentation - Biblio Table
22:40 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6861 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, NEW , Fast Add returns to circulation page in all cases
22:40 jenkins_koha    * Chris Cormack: While testing the commits for 6716 I discovered a couple of missing
22:40 jenkins_koha    * nengard: Bug 6716 - Deleted Borrowers MySQL
22:40 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6857 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, ASSIGNED , Show a warning if placing a reserve will incur a cost
22:40 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6517 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, magnus, ASSIGNED , koha-create wants "use database" in DEFAULTSQL
22:40 jenkins_koha    * Chris Cormack: Adding the 155th developer to the history
22:40 jenkins_koha    * colin.campbell: Bug 3498 [ENH] Allow Partial Payment of Fines
22:40 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6716 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED , Database Documentation
22:40 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3498 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, colin.campbell, ASSIGNED , Allow partial fine payments
22:40 jenkins_koha    * nengard: Bug 6716 - Deleted Biblio Table
22:40 jenkins_koha    * nengard: Bug 6716 - Branch table documentation
22:40 jenkins_koha    * nengard: Bug 6716 Documenting two Branch Group tables
22:40 jenkins_koha    * nengard: Bug6716 - File Cleanup
22:40 jenkins_koha    * nengard: Bug 6716 - Borrower Attributes Tables
22:40 jenkins_koha    * nengard: Bug 6716 - Cities Table Documentation
22:40 jenkins_koha    * nengard: Bug 6716 - Issues Table Documentation
22:40 jenkins_koha    * nengard: Bug 6716 - Statistics Table Documentation
22:40 jenkins_koha    * nengard: Bug 6716 - Definition of the branchcategories table
22:40 jenkins_koha    * nengard: Bug 6716: DB Documentation for the branchrelations table
22:40 jenkins_koha    * nengard: Bug 6716: Documentation for the itemtypes table
22:40 jenkins_koha    * nengard: Bug 6716: Documentation for the letter table
22:40 jenkins_koha    * nengard: Bug 6716 - Document opac_news table
22:40 jenkins_koha    * nengard: Bug 6716 - Definition for the overduerules table
22:40 jenkins_koha    * nengard: Bug 6716 - Document reviews table
22:40 jenkins_koha    * nengard: Bug 6716 - Document roadtype table
22:40 jenkins_koha    * nengard: Bug 6716 - Document the systempreferences table
22:40 jenkins_koha    * nengard: Bug 6716 - Documentation for the fieldmapping table
22:40 jenkins_koha    * nengard: Bug 6716 - Documentation for the messages table
22:40 jenkins_koha    * nengard: Bug 6716 - Document z3950servers table
22:40 jenkins_koha    * nengard: Bug 6716 - Documents the virtual shelves tables
22:40 jenkins_koha    * nengard: Bug 6716 - Document subscriptionroutinglist table
22:40 jenkins_koha    * nengard: Bug 6716 - Document holiday tables
22:40 jenkins_koha    * nengard: Bug 6716 - Define reports_dictionary table
22:40 jenkins_koha    * nengard: Bug 6716: Document suggestions DB table
22:40 jenkins_koha    Starting build 409 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #385 25 j ago)
22:44 chobbs          rangi and sekjal, thanks for the assist. I have LDAP sort of working.
22:44 sekjal          chobbs:  glad to hear!
22:45 jenkins_koha    Project Koha_3.4.x build #42: SUCCESS in 1 h 22 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.4.x/42/
22:45 jenkins_koha    * brett: bug 6724: enable decimals on values greater than 1
22:45 jenkins_koha    * Chris Cormack: Updating about file and history doc
22:45 jenkins_koha    * Chris Cormack: Bug 6732 : Showing the bibliographic title on the manual invoices line
22:45 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6724 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, brett, ASSIGNED , Holds Ratio does not allow decimals
22:45 jenkins_koha    * Chris Cormack: Bug 6555 : only 10 lists show in the staff client
22:45 jenkins_koha    * Chris Cormack: Bug 6665 : TT problem was preventing AdvancedMARCEditor pref from working when cataloguing
22:45 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6732 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , Missing Title for Manual Invoice
22:45 jenkins_koha    * Chris Cormack: Follow up for 6665 : Fixing the hide_marc pref also
22:45 jenkins_koha    * ian.walls: Bug 6256: Many bib1 attributes missing
22:45 jenkins_koha    * f.demians: Bug 6750 Guarantor search broken on translated templates
22:45 jenkins_koha    * m.de.rooy: 6256 Follow up fixing typo
22:45 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6555 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , only 10 lists in pull down when adding from a bib record
22:45 jenkins_koha    * robin: Bug 5602 - [3.4.x] Rewrite of package building script
22:45 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6665 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, NEW , advancedMARCeditor preference not functioning
22:45 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6256 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED , Many bib1 attributes missing
22:45 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6750 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, NEW , Guarantor search broken on translated templates
22:45 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5602 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , Improve configurability of package building scripts
22:45 chobbs          Oddly, one patron (me) can log in with LDAP (confirmed by changing my koha password to something differnet. But a different (student) patron cannot log in to OPAC with LDAP, but can with Koha pw.
22:47 sekjal          chobbs:  hmmm, interesting mystery.  love to help, but I've got to dash
22:47 chobbs          sekjal:  no worries :)
22:59 kulps           Hey folks, where can I learn about the marc framework? I tried to add a book, but the z39.50 lookup didnt return a control number identifier, I'd like to be able to correct issues like this on my own insteaf of having to ask/lookup all the time. Are there any good "marc21 for newbies" guides available?
23:02 rangi           kulps: nope
23:02 rangi           marc21 is designed to be inscrutable, retarded and extremely annoying
23:03 rangi           but its the current standard, so we have to live with it
23:03 rangi           http://www.loc.gov/marc/faq.html  <-- is about the best there is
23:06 kulps           hmm
23:06 kulps           I found that and thought I fell through a timewarp
23:06 kulps           it doesnt look like it's ever been maintained...
23:07 kulps           if that's it though, I guess I give it a shot.
23:07 rangi           welcome to library standards
23:07 kulps           poor MILS students... getting graded on systems so annoying.
23:08 rangi           its the standards that are the problem, they constrain what the systems can do
23:08 rangi           if you really want to despair, read up on RDA
23:10 kulps           is it a deprecated standard?
23:12 rangi           nope
23:12 rangi           its the new cataloguing standard, designed to replace AARC2
23:20 rangi           hey trea
23:20 trea            hey rangi
23:26 jenkins_koha    Project Koha_master build #409: STILL UNSTABLE in 46 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/409/
23:26 jenkins_koha    * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing - doc-head-close/open.inc
23:26 jenkins_koha    * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing / overdue.tt
23:26 jenkins_koha    * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing / review.tt
23:26 jenkins_koha    * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing / authorities.tt
23:26 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6458 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, ASSIGNED , incorrect parsing result in translation processing
23:26 jenkins_koha    * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing / 3x reports/...
23:26 jenkins_koha    * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing - masthead.inc
23:26 jenkins_koha    * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing / acqui/...
23:26 jenkins_koha    * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing / cataloguing/...
23:26 jenkins_koha    * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing / opac-detail.tt
23:26 jenkins_koha    * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing - rotating_collections/...
23:26 jenkins_koha    * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing / serials/...
23:26 jenkins_koha    * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing / sco-main.tt
23:26 jenkins_koha    * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing / suggestion
23:26 jenkins_koha    * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing / results
23:26 jenkins_koha    * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6609, Clean up guided reports dictionary entry process
23:26 jenkins_koha    * robin: Bug 6651 - fix splitting of names when updating to 3.4
23:26 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6609 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Clean up guided reports dictionary entry process
23:26 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6651 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, NEW , koha-upgrade-to-3.4 fails when multiple instances are present