Time Nick Message 00:23 druthb o/ 00:55 lastnode hi #koha 01:21 jenkins_koha Starting build 41 for job Koha_3.4.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 02:02 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.4.x build #41: SUCCESS in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.4.x/41/ 02:02 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Fix for Bug 2539 - kohaspsuggest is deprecated, notes outmoded 02:02 jenkins_koha * frederick.capovilla: Bug 6479 Converts all the serialseq variables to UTF-8. 02:02 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 6834 : Removing last of the $template->{param_map} 02:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2539 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , kohaspsuggest is deprecated, notes outmoded 02:02 jenkins_koha * henridamien.laurent: bug 6834 followup removing param_map 02:02 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6595:[ENH] [SIGNED-OFF] Add German translation of purchase suggestion mails 02:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6479 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, fcapovilla, NEW , Encoding problem in "recievedlist" when the numbering formula contains utf-8 characters 02:02 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6595: [ENH] [SIGNED-OFF] Fixing German translation and address formatting (HOLD_PRINT) 02:02 jenkins_koha * alex.arnaud: bug 4966: Add a button in parcel.pl for confirm end receiving 02:02 jenkins_koha * nengard: bug4966 - follow up to 4966 changes language from 'end' to 'finish' 02:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6834 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, NEW , $template->{param_map} is deprecated with the introduction of Template::Toolkit 02:02 jenkins_koha * alex.arnaud: Bug 4966 - follow up - add xhtml closure for input tags 02:02 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6768, Two unused include files can be removed 02:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6595 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , Add German translation for purchase suggestion mails 02:02 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Fix for Bug 5028 - Remove references to catmaintain.pl 02:02 jenkins_koha * christophe.croullebois: Bug 6121: Holds awaiting pickup 02:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4966 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, alex.arnaud, NEW , no way to finish receiving 02:02 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 6121: follow-up = using overloo instead of reserveloo 02:02 jenkins_koha * magnus: Bug 6516 - Make borrowernumber of staff user configurable in koha-create 02:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6768 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Two unused include files can be removed: error-top.inc and error-bottom.inc 02:02 jenkins_koha * magnus: Bug 4877 [ENH] - Update man page for koha-create 02:02 jenkins_koha * robin: Bug 4877 [ENH] - [SIGNED-OFF] more man page improvements 02:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5028 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Remove references to catmaintain.pl 02:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6121 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , waitingreserves: branchname instead of branch code 02:02 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Updating history and about file 02:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6516 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, magnus, ASSIGNED , koha-create makes assumptions about borrowernumber of staff user 02:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4877 enhancement, P1, ---, magnus, NEW , koha-* scripts have no manual pages 02:13 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6732] Missing Title for Manual Invoice <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6732> 02:49 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6665] advancedMARCeditor preference not functioning <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6665> 02:54 rangi heya wizzyrea 03:06 wizzyrea hi there 04:12 lastnode hello friends 04:12 lastnode anyone here? 04:13 eythian Nope. 04:13 eythian cait: it's very early in the morning. Go back to sleep. 04:15 lastnode just wondering if any of you will be kohacon 04:16 lastnode i didnt realise it's in India, adn even though I'm very new to the community, it's tempting, seeinghow close it is 04:16 eythian I'm going 04:18 cait hehe 04:18 cait nope 04:18 cait hi all, hi robin, hi lastnode 04:19 lastnode i dont think id have much to contribute, eythian, but seeing ill probably be running koha for my school for a while 04:20 lastnode couple of years at least, do you think it will be worth my while? 04:20 rangi kohacon clashes with a couple of other conferences id already said yes to, so not me 04:20 eythian yeah, definitely 04:20 lastnode im tempted because it's just a hop, step anda jump for me 04:20 eythian You're likely to learn a lot 04:20 eythian and meet people, find contacts, that sort of thing. 04:20 lastnode i can prolly find accomodation too, so it will just be plane ticket 04:20 lastnode and food, which is uber cheap 04:20 * lastnode is seriously tempted 04:21 cait in my experience it's even worth it when it'son the other side of the world :) 04:22 lastnode id feel like a bit of newb though 04:22 lastnode ive been running koha for all of 3 weeks 04:22 rangi its mostly for newbs 04:22 lastnode and not even production, yet 04:22 rangi the developer conference afterwards is for the more experienced users 04:22 lastnode speaking of whic, rangi, can you edit http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.4_on_Debian_Squeeze 04:23 lastnode im not sure if the debian scripts are supposed to do this 04:23 eythian do what? 04:23 lastnode but i needed on 3 recent squeeze koha installs, to 'a2enmod rewrite' 04:23 lastnode because mod rewrite was not enabled 04:23 eythian oh, yeah 04:23 rangi lastnode: its a wiki, anyone can edit it ;) 04:23 lastnode and it's not in thehowto 04:23 eythian it's kinda by design. 04:23 lastnode oh 04:23 eythian although it _should_ be in the wiki 04:23 lastnode shall i add it? 04:23 eythian yes 04:24 rangi yes please, you will need to sign up, and confirm your email (to stop spammers) 04:24 lastnode wow your captcha is throwing me, guys 04:24 lastnode 90 - 6? 04:24 wahanui 84 04:24 lastnode im an English teacher damnit 04:24 lastnode oh thanks wahanui 04:24 eythian wahanui is a robot :) 04:24 rangi but its great to get more people editing the wiki 04:24 eythian hence, good at math 04:24 eythian I want to make koha-create detect if rewrite is on, and if not have it abort. 04:24 lastnode i have heard 04:24 lastnode oh, you're the debian guy eythian? 04:24 eythian but it's against debian policy to actually change it. 04:24 eythian jup 04:25 lastnode im going to add it under QUick Start just after the msyql server apt-get 04:25 eythian sure 04:26 cait @wunder Konstanz 04:26 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 16.5�C (6:24 AM CEST on September 05, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1012.8 hPa (Steady). 04:26 eythian hey, if you're an English teacher, you'd be good at writing man pages for the commands ;) 04:27 lastnode sudo a2enmod rewrite <-- syntax is correct? 04:27 cait hi Technicus 04:27 lastnode eythian: i can certainly try, ive contributed to foss projects before 04:27 eythian yep, that's it 04:27 lastnode http://packages.qa.debian.org/u/upstreamdev/ <-- former project, now dead 04:27 Technicus Hello! 04:28 lastnode hi Technicus 04:28 eythian lastnode: well, if you're keen, bug 4877 is where we do that. 04:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4877 enhancement, P1, ---, magnus, NEW , koha-* scripts have no manual pages 04:29 lastnode actually eythian http://sourceforge.net/projects/upstream/ 04:29 lastnode sure eythian let me haev a look at that soetime 04:29 eythian oh handy 04:29 lastnode eythian: it was wactually written for peeps in #ubuntu for support 04:30 lastnode but canonical developed a project that replacedit 04:30 lastnode or were, anyway 04:30 eythian ah right 04:30 cait Technicus: where are you from? :) 04:31 eythian cait: $20 on Wisconson 04:31 lastnode eythian: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.4_on_Debian_Squeeze 04:31 eythian lastnode: looks good 04:31 lastnode eythian: is having packages for ubuntu a goal of the packagers atm 04:31 cait ah :) 04:31 lastnode ? 04:32 rangi lastnode: like this https://launchpad.net/~koha 04:32 eythian Debian, and Ubuntu by proxy. Eventually yeah, but there's a lot of work to be done first. In particular, cleaning up of copyrights and so forth. But also getting packages for languages etc. 04:32 lastnode oh right 04:32 rangi the main goal is get the packages into debian proper, then they will get it into ubuntu, but for now there are packages for natty at those ppas 04:33 Technicus cait: I am right here. 04:33 lastnode right 04:33 lastnode do you have a sponsor in mind for debian, rangi? a DD or a DM? 04:34 Technicus Any suggestions for software that could be used in a bike shop? Keeping track of inventory and jobs? 04:34 rangi yeah we have a few dd at catalyst, and there are a few others involved in koha 04:34 lastnode neat :) 04:34 lastnode i look forward to seeing koha in main in wheezy 04:34 rangi but the main thing is sorting out the copyright headers and tidying up the packages a bit more, they are pretty close 04:35 lastnode sweet 04:35 lastnode ill def havea look at the man pages when i can, eythian 04:35 eythian that's one of the things that needs to be done for getting in Debian ;) 04:35 lastnode though iev never written anything as srs as man pages before 04:35 lastnode as we all know, man pages are srs bznz 04:35 eythian also, writing man pages is a handy skill if you don't know how already. 04:36 lastnode i wrote some man pages for that project i linked you to iirc 04:36 lastnode but it was a tiny project 04:36 eythian ah yeah. Well, this is just a number of tools, each of which is pretty small itself. 04:36 lastnode but in terms of reach, koha is huge 04:37 lastnode which is what i meant, really. ill need to do some reading before i begin, but ill def get down to it after term starts tomorrow 04:37 lastnode till then im just focusing on hardening the vps i haev setup and then adding 100 books as a pilot 04:37 lastnode and getting the librarian familiarised with koha 04:37 eythian cool. 04:38 lastnode btw im not sure if it's useful, but i ran into this bug 04:38 lastnode running koha remove 04:38 lastnode http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6416 04:38 huginn 04Bug 6416: normal, P5, ---, robin, NEW , koha-remove fails when dropping user 04:38 lastnode do welink to bugs fromteh wiki?it might be useful. i tore my hair out for a while before googling and realising it was a bug 04:38 eythian yeah, that's a weird one. I've not been able to reproduce it. 04:39 eythian It's fine to link to bugs. 04:39 eythian A "known or suspected issues" thing would probably be helpful. 04:40 lastnode ok 04:40 lastnode i ran into it, so ill try and reporduce it on my vm, eythian 04:40 eythian cool. A fix wouldn't go astry, either ;) 04:40 lastnode haha, ill have a look 04:40 lastnode but im not a great coder 04:40 eythian I'm not confident just putting in 'localhost' is ideal, especially if you're using a remote server. 04:41 eythian hmm 04:41 eythian I bet it needs a 'like' 04:41 lastnode btw koha will eventually replace koha-common? 04:41 lastnode package i mean,the koha package 04:41 eythian not really 04:41 eythian What I want is for the koha package to be a pre-setup thing 04:41 lastnode at the moment, koha-common is preferred. this implies that in teh future it will change 04:41 eythian so, you install koha and it all works. 04:41 lastnode ok 04:42 eythian as if you did 'koha-create --createdb koha' 04:42 lastnode right 04:42 eythian but that turned out to be harder than I thought. 04:47 lastnode on a koha production box 04:47 lastnode is it recommended i run iptables 04:48 lastnode adn filter out everything except ssh and 80/8080 (I run intranet on 8080) 04:48 lastnode do we have security recommendations? 04:48 eythian that's standard good practice 04:49 lastnode ok 04:49 eythian the packages do fairly good security as it is, user separation and so on 04:49 lastnode also, i setup koha as root because i hadntcreated a non-root ssh user yet. 04:49 lastnode there's no difference in going back 04:49 lastnode and runnin geveryting as sudo again right 04:49 lastnode (afteri have a non-root ssh user setupo) 04:50 lastnode as in, there are no non-root commands in thesetup process, right? 04:51 eythian no, completely no difference 04:51 eythian all the koha stuff runs as "koha_*instance*" anyway. 04:51 eythian that's right 04:51 lastnode cool 04:51 lastnode sudo is just so people wont rm -rfrandom stuff 04:51 lastnode i guess 04:51 lastnode which i actually did, as root i rm -rf /etc/koha/ instead of /etc/koha/sitename 04:52 lastnode speaking of which, in thatintsance i did an apt-get purge 04:52 eythian heh yes, it makes that harder. 04:52 lastnode and i reinsttalled, but /etc/koha never came back 04:52 lastnode during the reinstall 04:52 eythian that seems surprising to me 04:52 lastnode is tehre something else i should have done? 04:52 lastnode in my paranoia, i nowhave my 10gig main fs on my vps 04:52 lastnode cloned 04:53 lastnode so if i do a foobar like that, illjust restore 04:53 eythian not sure. I think there is something that that can be done to force it to restore conf-files. I would have thought a purge would allow them to come back though 04:53 lastnode ok 04:54 eythian (/etc stuff is handled differently, as it's expected that the user'll modify it) 04:54 lastnode ok 04:55 lastnode eythian: what is teh recommended backup procedure for koha atm 04:56 lastnode if i write a bash script, should i make it run koha-dump, then grab the files and scp them somewhere 04:56 lastnode or is tehre another method? 04:56 eythian the next release will have bug 6275 included. This means you can just grab them from /var/spool/koha 04:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6275 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, RESOLVED FIXED, Automated backups of data and config 04:56 lastnode ok 04:56 lastnode and apt-get upgrade will pull the new release in? 04:56 eythian but yeah, for now just have a cron job that runs koha-dump 04:56 eythian yep 04:57 lastnode eythian: also, i notice in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/mykohasite 04:57 lastnode it has #transferlog and #rewritelog commented out for both virtualhosts 04:57 eythian yeah 04:57 eythian people want different setups, so I just have a default that can be edited. 04:57 lastnode (opac and intranet). and /var/log/apache2/access.log doesnt show hits to those sites 04:58 lastnode ok, so by default, transfer log is turned off? 04:58 lastnode adn i turn it on by uncommenting? 04:58 eythian no, by default it ends up under virtualhosts_access.log or something along those lines 04:58 lastnode oh, at whatpath? 04:58 eythian /var/log/apache2 I think 04:58 eythian but yeah, I usually turn it on 05:01 lastnode oh yeah it's tehre, eythian thanks 05:01 lastnode and there is a chinese ip who has hit :8080 05:01 eythian it'll be a bot 05:01 lastnode only 2 people know this VPS exists lol 05:01 lastnode yeah, spam bots? 05:02 lastnode i guess they just scan linode subnets 05:02 eythian probably 05:02 eythian yeah, that'd be likely. 05:03 lastnode 61.160.201.26 - - [03/Sep/2011:23:16:18 -0400] "GET //jmx-console/HtmlAdaptor HTTP/1.1" 302 202 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows 98)" 05:03 lastnode it's looking for some JBOSS resource 05:04 lastnode anyway yeah, gotta keep an eye on the access log. if i enable #TransferLog for both vhosts, eythian, it will also log to other_vhosts_access.log? 05:10 eythian don't think so, no 05:10 eythian you can probably tell it to log to two places 05:10 eythian (actually, to be fair, I haven't checked to see if it logs to both or now) 05:11 eythian it appears it doesn't 05:11 lastnode ok, thanks eythian 05:11 lastnode i think having it in one access log makes sense for me 05:11 lastnode so the default option works fine 05:11 lastnode eythian++ 05:12 eythian I like to split it up when I'm hosting more than one on a server, just to see what sort of use each one is getting. 05:12 eythian But it's obviously up to what you want to do with it :) 05:15 cait ok, it stopped raining :) 05:16 cait time to go 05:17 lastnode eythian: the configs themselves, like System PReferences, Libraries Items etc. are all in the db right? 05:17 eythian yep 05:17 lastnode just trying to understand when i run koha-dump 05:18 lastnode which parts go to .sql.gz and which go to .tar.gz 05:18 eythian the .sql.gz is the most important, the rest can be recreated without too much difficulty. 05:18 eythian but having both of them means you can do a really fast recovery 05:18 eythian as it won't even need to reindex zebra 05:19 lastnode ok 05:19 lastnode recovery process is 05:19 lastnode koha-create --createb samedatabasename 05:19 lastnode and hten koha-restore samedatabasename 05:19 lastnode right? 05:19 lastnode assuming i ddid koha-dump samedatabasename on a remote box 05:20 eythian no, for using koha-restore, just do koha-restore instance.sql.gz instance.tar.gz (or similar) 05:20 eythian it'll do the create etc. itself. 05:20 lastnode oh, right 05:20 lastnode gotcha 05:20 eythian tbh, I usually find myself just using the db dump and importing from it. 05:20 lastnode i think someone toldme otherwise here a while back 05:20 lastnode yeah as in using mysql itself? 05:20 eythian yeah 05:20 lastnode what does tar.gz have though 05:20 lastnode just zebra indexes? 05:20 eythian http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Commands_provided_by_the_Debian_packages#koha-restore 05:21 eythian the contents of /var/koha/instancename and /etc/koha/instancename 05:21 lastnode oh, right.thanks eythian 05:42 kf good morning #koha 06:05 alex_a hello all 06:06 kf hi alex_a 06:07 lastnode hi kf hi alex_a 06:07 lastnode o/ 06:08 alex_a hi lastnode 06:47 reiveune hello 06:54 lastnode hi reiveune 07:12 hdl hi 07:25 lastnode hi hdl 07:41 kf_away hm 07:42 kf_away is someone aware of a problem with adding items from staged marc import? 07:42 kf_away the report tells me 13 items were added, but I see none of them on my records 07:47 kf_away foudn the problem... 07:47 kf_away a problem in my data, but I wonder why it said successful 07:49 lastnode kf_away: could it have something to do with this bug? - http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6713 07:49 huginn 04Bug 6713: critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , marc import not matching 07:49 kf_away lastnode: thx :) 07:50 kf_away lastnode: I was not using matching rules, so no. I had the branch code wrong in my data, trying again now 07:50 lastnode ok 07:50 lastnode you might want to to file a bug repor then, kf_away? 07:50 kf_away yeah, will try to 07:50 kf_away have to finish this tests first 07:53 rangi evening 07:56 kf_away hi rangi 08:01 kf_away @wunder Konstanz 08:01 huginn kf_away: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 15.2�C (9:59 AM CEST on September 05, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1015.8 hPa (Rising). 08:08 kf_away Checked out to Benutzer A : due 26/09/2011 On hold for Benutzer B expected at BSZ-Bibliothek since 05/09/2011 ? 08:15 kf_away does this make sense? 08:27 rangi yep 08:28 kf_away ok 08:28 kf_away I don't understand the expected part 08:28 kf_away because it's still checked out and the due_date is 26th 08:29 kf_away so why would it be expected to be at the bsz-bibliothek since 5th? 08:31 rangi because it was marked as on transfer to there on the 5th 08:31 rangi but someone then issued it out after that 08:31 kf_away hm 08:31 kf_away doesn't make sense to me 08:31 kf_away my item was not on transfer 08:32 rangi it was marked waiting on the 5th 08:32 kf_away hm 08:32 rangi so was returned then 08:32 kf_away still doesn't make sense 08:32 rangi does to me 08:32 kf_away because: new item 08:32 kf_away checked out to a 08:32 kf_away hold for b 08:32 kf_away and that's the status after that 08:33 kf_away I was creating test cases for sip testing, so I did everything from scratch 08:33 kf_away this item has never been returned 08:33 rangi and you didnt place the hold before you added the item? 08:33 kf_away how would I do that? 08:34 kf_away you can't place holds on records without items? 08:34 rangi on the biblio 08:34 rangi i can 08:34 kf_away hm never tried it, but no 08:34 kf_away I imported record and item together 08:34 rangi id check the db, check the reserves table, and the transfers table 08:35 rangi see if the status is w 08:35 kf_away reserves has one hold 08:35 kf_away found is null 08:36 kf_away hm tansfers table? 08:36 kf_away which is that? 08:36 kf_away ah branchtransfers 08:37 kf_away almost empty, only one entry for different itemnumber 08:37 rangi [% IF ( itemloo.waitingdate ) %] at[% ELSE %]expected at 08:37 rangi is waitingdate set? 08:37 kf_away null 08:37 rangi right 08:38 rangi so if the item has a reserve date 08:38 rangi but no waitingdate 08:38 rangi it will say expected at 08:38 rangi if it has a waitingdate it will just say at 08:38 kf_away I feel dumb 08:38 kf_away but I don#t get the expected part really 08:39 kf_away why not say, on hold since.... 08:39 rangi since 08:39 kf_away or expected at due_date 08:39 rangi [% IF ( itemloo.waitingdate ) %][% itemloo.waitingdate %] 08:39 rangi [% ELSE %] 08:39 rangi [% IF ( itemloo.reservedate ) %][% itemloo.reservedate %][% END %] 08:39 rangi [% END %] 08:39 rangi lemme git blame it 08:40 rangi right its pre template toolkit 08:40 kf_away but does it still make sense to you? or is it me not getting what it's trying to tell me? 08:41 kf_away it only occurs for item level holds 08:41 kf_away if that helps 08:41 kf_away my title level holds only say: checked out to 08:41 rangi been like that since 2004 08:41 kf_away hmpf 08:41 rangi sorry 2007 december 24 08:42 kf_away not much better 08:42 kf_away I ould file a bug report and see what others say - perhaps liz can make sense of it 08:43 rangi well it makes sense to me, its saying the oldest reserve has been there since the 5th, and it needs to go to such and such branch to fill it 08:44 kf_away oh 08:44 kf_away bug 4298 08:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4298 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , title detail display: improve the verbiage related to item level holds 08:44 kf_away and I see, I got the order wrong 08:44 kf_away to me it sounds like: it's expected since , but the date still belongs to the hold part 08:45 kf_away On hold for Benutzer B expected at BSZ-Bibliothek since 05/09/2011 08:45 kf_away so more clear (to me) would be: On hold for ... since ... expected at ... 08:45 rangi right 08:46 rangi id change expected to 08:46 rangi if you are going to rearrange it 08:46 rangi on hold for .. at .... since ... 08:49 kf_away that good too 08:49 kf_away I think the expected part makes it confusing 08:56 kf_away I am updating the bug 08:58 kf_away rangi++ 08:58 kf_away thx for helping me figure it out :) 09:04 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6318] fields missing when editing a layout <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6318> 10:17 slef grrr turnkey linux 10:17 slef hi all 10:17 rangi you saw taht too? 10:18 slef tried to reply, got AV test 10:18 rangi yep 10:20 kf_away hi slef 10:38 slef anyone know if the koha blogs yahoo pipe is OK? 10:38 rangi hmm not me 10:39 slef http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes/pipe.info?_id=538a59d9f0763d117a5ee0e15ed6ca48 10:39 slef and bleah, nengard is the only admin and is afk right? 10:40 slef http://pipes.yahoo.com/nengard/kohablogs even 10:41 rangi shes on vacation, well deserved and yeah pipes is lame like that, pity theres nothing that does the same thing 11:03 lastnode kf_away: there? 11:03 wahanui there is no spoon. 11:03 lastnode botsnack wahanui 11:07 kf_away lastnode: half 11:07 kf_away wahanui botsnack gummibärchen 11:07 wahanui thanks kf_away :) 11:14 lastnode kf_away: im just wrapping my head around dewey/cutter. was wondering if i could ask you some noob questions 11:14 * lastnode is not a librarian 11:15 lastnode the librarian at school is not a trained one either. it is a small library and we are both still learning 11:24 kf_away I am not sure I can help you with dewey 11:24 kf_away it's not widely used in Geramny 11:25 lastnode ohok 11:25 lastnode what do you guys use? 11:25 kf_away there are different things 11:26 kf_away public libraries often use asb, academic sometimes use rvk 11:26 kf_away a lot of libraries have their own classifications 11:26 kf_away lastnode: what did you wan to know? 11:30 lastnode when koha pulls in stuff from z39.50 searches 11:30 lastnode adn pulls in the dcc number 11:30 lastnode can i safely assuem it is a standard 11:30 lastnode ? 11:34 mtj dcc is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dewey_Decimal_Classification 11:34 mtj dcc? 11:34 wahanui rumour has it dcc is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dewey_Decimal_Classification 11:35 kf_away ddc is a standard 11:35 kf_away but I think how far you go using it depends on the library 11:36 kf_away how deep down in the hierarchy 11:37 lastnode ok 11:38 lastnode im talking after the decimal mainl,y kf_away 11:38 lastnode and i meant ddc, not dcc, my bad 11:38 lastnode (before the decimal is pretty easy) 11:39 kf_away wahanui: ddc is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dewey_Decimal_Classification 11:39 wahanui ...but ddc is a standard... 11:39 kf_away forget ddc 11:39 wahanui kf_away: I forgot ddc 11:39 kf_away ddc is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dewey_Decimal_Classification 11:39 kf_away perhaps jcamins can help you here 11:40 jcamins What's the question? 11:40 jcamins My hosting provider had a major DOS incident overnight. 11:41 lastnode jcamins: im trying to wrap my head around dewey/cutter because the librarian at the school i work is not a real librarian (administrative assistant onwhom 'librarian' was thrust) 11:41 lastnode and we're both trying to get the basics down as we deploy koha 11:42 jcamins Ah. 11:42 jcamins Well, DDC is pretty straightforward, really. 11:42 lastnode im familiar now with ddc number / cutter number / work mark 11:42 lastnode but the decimal is confusing (seconday classification) 11:43 jcamins http://www.oclc.org/dewey/versions/ddc22print/intro.pdf 11:43 jcamins What's confusing about it? 11:45 lastnode jcamins: more than one discipline etc. but this pdf is great, thanks 11:45 lastnode jcamins: is there a (semi)central dewey authority/server 11:45 lastnode i can just query when im not sure? 11:46 lastnode will z39.50 searches/imports from reputed targets (LOC etc.) return a fairly standard dcc call number for every entry? 11:46 jcamins There is no central server other htan OCLC. 11:46 jcamins LC will always have a DDC. 11:46 jcamins I don't think anyone else is guaranteed to have one. 11:46 lastnode ok jcamins 11:46 wahanui jcamins is supposed to be an outstanding cook. or well-traveled and brilliant. or trying to think of a solution, but short of a set of three sysprefs (ShelfBrowserUsesLocation, ShelfBrowserUsesCcode, and ShelfBrowserUsesHomeBranch), I don't really have any ideas. or awesome fixing broken email notifications or the wizard that forges queries in the deep fires of zebra 11:47 jcamins Looks like OSS Labs is busy. 11:47 lastnode by ocllc you mean http://deweybrowser.oclc.org/ddcbrowser2/ right? 11:47 lastnode server is timing out atm 11:47 jcamins No. 11:48 jcamins I mean you have to have a subscription to OCLC. 11:48 jcamins The paid version of Worldcat. 11:48 lastnode oh right 11:49 lastnode i guess ill stick with the LOC for now 11:49 lastnode *LC. thanks jcamins 11:50 jcamins You're welcome. 11:50 jcamins Good luck. 11:51 lastnode jcamins: most of the library is fiction. is it ok to just use 812 (for example) and then include a cutter number + work mark? 11:51 jcamins If it's fiction, I recommend against using call numbers at all. 11:51 lastnode ok 11:51 jcamins Or, rather, classification numbers. 11:51 lastnode just use cutter directly? 11:52 jcamins Use something like: J FIC COL 11:52 jcamins Faster for the cataloger. 11:52 lastnode jcamins: but we'dwant to use a classification system that is scalable 11:52 lastnode int eh long run, to include other books too 11:52 lastnode hmmm 11:52 jcamins For the nonfiction books, you need to use DDC. 11:53 jcamins That's the way most public and school libraries in the US work- fiction doesn't have classification numbers, just simple call numbers. 11:53 lastnode jcamins: bc then a ton of books have 812, for xample 11:54 lastnode and fiction is such a huge genre 11:54 lastnode right 11:54 jcamins Exactly. 11:55 lastnode jcamins: J FIC COL 11:55 lastnode i get FIC 11:55 lastnode whatis J and COL? 11:56 jcamins Juvenile and the first three letters of the author's last name, respectively. :) 11:57 lastnode jcamins: is there a guide for this classification? 11:57 jcamins Nope. 11:57 lastnode so what other variables go in the J column 11:57 lastnode Juvenile / Adult 11:57 jcamins Just J. 11:57 lastnode ok 11:57 jcamins In most libraries, it's either FIC COL for an adult book or J FIC COL for a juvenile book. 12:00 lastnode ok 12:02 lastnode jcamins: so for shakespeare it would be FIC SHA and then we'd need to have a unique number to identify the play itself 12:02 lastnode i apologise if many of these questions are very basic. i realise that this channel is full of librarians! 12:02 jcamins Well, that's not really fiction. 12:03 jcamins That's more like "literature." 12:03 lastnode right, that was maybe a bad example 12:03 lastnode so they would be DDC numbered 12:03 jcamins Right. 12:03 lastnode and i guess as we go alon gand make mistakes we can always reclassify 12:03 jcamins Yup. 12:03 lastnode but say if it's GRI for Grisham 12:03 jcamins Right. 12:04 lastnode we'd need anotherunique number for The Pelikan Brief 12:04 lastnode and another unique for each copy 12:04 jcamins Not necessarily. 12:04 jcamins The person reshelving needs to put the books in alphabetical order. 12:04 lastnode and the call number is basically for that, got it 12:04 jcamins If they're in alphabetical order, people will be able to find the book they need, even if several books share the same call number. 12:05 lastnode right, yeah 12:05 lastnode and i guess each book can have a serial/barcode for us to keep track of both editions and copies 12:05 jcamins Exactly. 12:05 jcamins The serial/barcode is key. 12:05 jcamins The call number is for the user, the barcode is for the staff. 12:05 lastnode for barcodes, koha defaults to 000x or YYYY-000x 12:06 lastnode i guess YYYY-000x is morescalable 12:06 jcamins Yes. 12:06 jcamins At least, that's my opinion. 12:07 jcamins The benefit of the other scheme, though, is that it's easier to make preprinted labels. 12:10 lastnode jcamins: thanks again 12:10 lastnode just leaving work ill be back online ina while 12:14 slef this is the lastnode that I will say these words. I remember the firstnode. The first of many lies. 12:14 slef Sweep it into the corner, or hide it under the bed. Say these nodes they go away, but they never do. 12:15 slef Some node I wasn't sure of, but I was in the middle of. Some node I forget now, but I've seen too little of. 12:15 * slef thinks it's clearly time for lunch. Overwork is starting to show. 12:57 mtj hmmm , koha list is down? 12:57 mtj http://lists.katipo.co.nz/ 13:07 lastnode jcamins: oh, right. i guess you could potentially print 500 for each year? :) 13:11 druthb mornin'. 13:11 lastnode hi druthb 13:13 jcamins lastnode: yeah, but how confident would you be that you're going to use all 500? 13:14 jcamins Morning, druthb. :) 13:14 druthb @wunder sioux falls, sd 13:14 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Sioux Falls, South Dakota is 8.0�C (7:56 AM CDT on September 05, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 30.26 in 1025 hPa (Rising). 13:18 lastnode that's true, jcamins :) 13:18 lastnode jcamins: i guess starting frm 0000 makes it easier 13:18 lastnode if yo want to pre-preint labels 13:19 lastnode and it is an option. it's not like having the year makes it a lot easier to find stuff 13:19 jcamins The advantage of having the year is that it makes it easier to search through paper accession records. 13:20 lastnode that's true 13:47 slef mtj: main site looks up. Worth an email to info@katipo you think? 15:08 reiveune bye 16:17 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5916] Don't show the link to edit authorities to people who don't have permissions to edit <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5916> 18:35 cait hi #koha 18:35 druthb hi, cait! :) 18:36 cait hi druthb:) 18:57 jcamins Where should I have photos printed? 18:58 cait no idea :) 18:58 cait hi jared 18:58 druthb I've done photo printing at Kinko's before, and they did a good job. 18:59 jcamins Costco has 4x6 prints for $0.13. 18:59 jcamins $0.09 at FedEx Office. 19:01 jcamins Apparently FedEx office uses Snapfish. 19:37 rangi morning 19:37 druthb hi, rangi! 19:38 cait morning rangi :) 19:38 rangi heya traveller, where you at now? 19:38 druthb Sioux Falls, SD. Lovely campground, but chilly early in the morning, for tenters. was 7C this morning. 19:39 rangi ahh that sounds like wellington mornings :) 19:39 rangi @wunder wellington nz 19:39 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0�C (6:00 AM NZST on September 06, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Pressure: 30.39 in 1029 hPa (Steady). 19:39 druthb @wunder sioux falls, SD 19:39 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Sioux Falls, South Dakota is 20.0�C (1:56 PM CDT on September 05, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Falling). 19:39 druthb Warmed up a bunch so far... 19:40 rangi 20 is nice 19:40 druthb yeah. The minion thinks it's still cold. 19:40 cait @wunder Konstanz 19:40 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 14.7�C (9:38 PM CEST on September 05, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 30.22 in 1023.2 hPa (Steady). 19:40 cait brr 19:40 cait autumn like here :( 19:41 druthb I started a campfire this morning, let that run for a while, and worked at the picnic table close by. :) 19:41 rangi sweet 19:41 druthb Got enough wood here for a fire tonight, too. :) 19:44 rangi and marshmallows? :) 19:44 bg @wunder 93109 19:44 huginn bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 22.7�C (12:44 PM PDT on September 05, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 29.82 in 1009.7 hPa (Falling). 19:44 bg be hard to beat that today 19:45 rangi heya bg 19:45 bg hey a rangi 19:48 rangi quiet day in the us today eh? 19:48 druthb very 19:49 rangi u know it'd suck for the librarians working it 19:49 rangi but I think public holidays are the best day for them to be open 19:50 bg ok I'll bbiab 19:50 bg lunch time here 19:50 rangi cool 19:51 rangi its always the museums busiest days here 20:13 cait good night all 20:14 rangi cya cait 20:14 cait :) 20:47 rangi sup trea 20:49 druthb o/ 20:50 rangi wb druthb 20:50 druthb thanks! :) 21:09 trea o/ 21:09 trea hi rangi 21:10 druthb hi, trea! 21:22 em Can anyone help me with zebra? 21:22 em i know absolutly nothing :( 21:22 em all of my searches are broken, i have re-indexed zebra and still nothing 21:22 em it stopped working after update :( 21:24 rangi what did you update? 21:25 em everything, went to newest update 21:25 rangi which is? 21:25 em 3.4.40 21:25 rangi didnt you install that already ? 21:25 em yes, but i cant get zebra to work 21:25 em i dont know anything about it 21:26 rangi is zebrasrv running? 21:26 em yes 21:26 rangi and you have zebra switched on system preferences? 21:26 em i am pretty sure i do 21:26 em i will check 21:26 rangi and when you reindex do you do it as the same user that is running zebrasrv 21:26 rangi also try the reindex with -v 21:27 rangi to see if it outputs any errors 21:27 em ok 21:27 em just a sec 21:27 em is zebra in sys prefrences? 21:28 rangi nozebra 21:28 rangi make sure its not set to use nozebra 21:28 em what does the prefrence NoZebraIndexes do? 21:28 rangi nothing 21:28 wahanui nothing is ever gone in git 21:28 em ok 21:28 em the prefrence NoZebra is set to USe 21:29 em is that good? 21:29 em ... 21:30 rangi im at work, gimme a minute 21:30 em ok 21:30 rangi yes, it should be set to use 21:30 em ok 21:30 em what should i rebuild? 21:30 em nozebra or zebra 21:30 rangi zebra 21:30 rangi never nozebra 21:30 em ok 21:30 rangi do it with -b -x -v -r 21:31 rangi as the switches 21:31 em ok 21:31 em doing it right now 21:32 em could not select database - error 109 21:32 rangi theres your problem 21:32 em and i would fix this how? 21:33 rangi are you 100% sure you are running zebrasrv and the rebuild_zebra as the same user? 21:33 em umm 21:33 em what user is the default? kohaadmin 21:33 rangi no 21:34 em what is the default? 21:34 wahanui the default is ports for those who dont have access/skills to run dns 21:34 rangi whatever you chose when installing 21:34 rangi how are you running zebrasrv? 21:34 em ubuntu 21:34 rangi no, how are you running it, how is it started? 21:34 em it does it by itself 21:35 em when i turn it on 21:35 em i used the koha live cd 21:35 em how do you switch users in the terminal? 21:35 rangi first we have to find what user is running zebrasrv 21:36 rangi look in /etc/init.d/ 21:36 em ok 21:36 rangi is there a file koha-zebra-daemon ? 21:36 em yes 21:37 rangi less that file 21:37 em what? 21:37 em open it? 21:37 rangi yes 21:37 em ok 21:38 em ok, what am i looking for? 21:38 rangi less /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon 21:38 rangi is what i would do 21:38 rangi at the top 21:38 rangi USER=something 21:38 rangi what is something 21:38 em USER=koha 21:38 rangi right 21:38 rangi so zebrasrv is running as koha 21:38 em ok 21:38 rangi so you need to run rebuild_zebra as koha 21:39 em how do i do that, 21:39 em sudo ...? 21:39 rangi where is your koha-conf.xml file? 21:39 rangi 2 ways you can do it 21:40 em ok 21:40 em i am searching for it 21:40 em /etc/koha 21:40 rangi sudo -u koha KOHA_CONF=/path/to/koha-conf.xml perl -I /usr/share/koha/lib /path/to/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -x -v -r 21:41 em wow 21:41 em ok 21:41 rangi (fix the /path/to bits) 21:41 rangi or you can sudo su - koha 21:41 em ok 21:41 rangi and export KOHA_CONF and PERL5LIB etc 21:42 em wow, slow down here :) do i incude /koha-conf.xml ? or just /etc/koha 21:42 rangi include koha-conf.xml 21:42 em ok 21:44 em wait ... 21:45 em command not found 21:46 em nevermind 21:46 em cant open perl script 21:46 em nevermind again 21:47 em no errors, but in log it says permission denied zebra_lock_create fail 21:48 em search still broken 21:48 rangi right i suspect whats happened is you ran it as root once right? 21:48 rangi and the permissions are now all messed up 21:48 em opps 21:48 rangi so zebrasrv cant read the files 21:48 em opps 21:48 rangi does it give the full path? 21:48 em yes 21:48 rangi can you paste that in please 21:48 em ok 21:49 em i have to do manuly as i am on diff. computer 21:49 em did you want all of them or just one? 21:49 rangi is it /var/lib/koha ? 21:49 em no] 21:49 rangi /var/lock/koha ? 21:50 em it is /var/lock/koha/zebradb/biblios/norm.. 21:50 rangi right 21:50 rangi can you do this 21:50 em it is /var/lock/koha/zebradb/biblios/shadow.. 21:50 em ok 21:50 rangi sudo chown -R koha:koha /var/lock/koha 21:50 rangi and then 21:50 rangi sudo chown -R koha:koha /var/lib/koha 21:51 rangi then hit the up arrow a few times till you get the rebuild command back, and run that again 21:51 em ok 21:51 em :D 21:51 em i think it worked 21:51 em testing 21:52 em nope 21:52 em still broke 21:52 rangi you will have to restart zebrasrv 21:52 em but no errors as far as i can see 21:52 em ok 21:52 em how do i do that 21:52 rangi sudo /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon restart 21:53 rangi (no more error 109 eh?) 21:53 em yep :) 21:53 em fatal error 21:53 em failed to find pid for koha-zebra-ctl.koha : no such file or directory 21:54 rangi k so it wasnt running 21:54 rangi sudo /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon start 21:54 em oh, it said it was though 21:54 em Starting Zebra Server 21:54 rangi ps axf | grep "zebrasrv" 21:55 rangi check its running 21:55 em what do i enter after that 21:55 em it just goes to > 21:55 rangi you must have missed a " then 21:56 em opps, i did ;) 21:56 em how do i get out? 21:56 rangi ctrl-c 21:56 em thanks ;) 21:57 em it brings up a bunch of random things with zebrasrv in red 21:57 rangi is there one 21:57 rangi zebrasrv -f /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml 21:57 em ? 21:57 rangi that looks like that 21:57 em umm, looking 21:58 em it does not look like it 21:58 em oh 21:58 rangi what ones are there 21:58 em yes 21:58 rangi k, try a search now 21:58 em there is 2 lines of random crap, then it goes that 21:58 em nope 21:58 em search broken 21:58 rangi heh, theres nothing random about it 21:59 rangi ah well, im afraid im out of time, i have to do some work now 21:59 em ok 21:59 em :( 21:59 rangi but its definitely to do with you messing up the permissions 21:59 em should i re-do the update? 21:59 rangi no 21:59 rangi you might want to learn a bit about linux server administration though 22:00 em ok, how would i fix the perrmissions then? 22:00 rangi running a server isnt easy, and understanding basics like users and permissions etc are vital before you try to admin a server 22:00 em :/ 22:00 rangi id suggest finding a good intro to linux book and reading it 22:00 em that sound boring ;) 22:00 * rangi goes back to work 22:01 em ok 22:01 em thanks for your help 22:01 em :) 22:03 em Anyone else wanna test there skils in koha and ubuntu ;) ??? 22:06 em meeting on september 7th ... that might be a good time to show up ;) 22:06 em well, if anyone has any help they could email me at emery.cairns@gmail.com -- i am going to find something to do :( 22:12 em still here ;) 23:54 em i need help, error on make test for upgrade to 3.04.04 error : C4:PRINT failed to find template.pm in @INC 23:54 em Failed test 'use C4::Print' 23:56 em anyone? 23:57 eythian you probably don't have Template::Toolkit installed 23:57 em how do i install that? 23:57 eythian well, are you upgrading from 3.2? 23:58 em yes 23:58 eythian you're on Debian/Ubuntu? 23:58 em yes 23:58 eythian sudo aptitude install libtemplate-toolkit-perl should do it 23:58 em ok\ 23:58 em that will fix it? 23:58 eythian try it and find out 23:58 em ok 23:59 eythian but I expect so 23:59 em ok