Time  Nick            Message
00:44 druthb          o/
00:44 rangi           hi druthb
00:45 druthb          :D  hi, rangi!
00:52 huginn          New commit(s) kohagit: 150th developer!!! <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b6293a8e9a75135dc81f087660cf58675d61455a> / Bug 6723 : import-framework-crlf <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=07838bfcb16bf329bbc4953dff5b624005a8a734> / Bug 6721 - improve searching in the acquisitions system <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=54d38461f043770e3a980b7ab40ce1d5705c
00:52 rangi           :)
00:53 rangi           150 150 150
00:56 druthb          wahoo!!!!
01:12 huginn          New commit(s) kohagit: Fixing typo in history doc <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9c346e25269ada0b3fa5f5a6934986970c6b9a9f>
01:12 rangi           speaking speaking community hehe
01:13 mtj             DEVELOPERS!!! DEVELOPERS!!! DEVELOPERS!!!
01:13 rangi           throw a chair!!!
01:13 mtj             I LOVE TEHS COMPANY!!!!!
01:14 druthb          @quote add mtj: DEVELOPERS!!! DEVELOPERS!!! DEVELOPERS!!!
01:14 huginn          druthb: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
01:14 rangi           druthb: you know what thats from eh?
01:15 druthb          @quote add mtj: DEVELOPERS!!! DEVELOPERS!!! DEVELOPERS!!!
01:15 huginn          druthb: The operation succeeded.  Quote #149 added.
01:15 druthb          no, it just made me giggle myself silly standing on its' own two feet.
01:15 rangi           ahh its even better if know you the backstory
01:16 rangi           http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8To-6VIJZRE
01:17 rangi           or even better
01:17 druthb          ROFLMAO
01:17 rangi           http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6ZarKIKpSA&feature=related
01:18 mtj             man, no one lights up a crowd of nerds like steve.b
01:18 druthb          hehehehehe
01:18 rangi           hehe
01:21 druthb          wahanui: druthb?
01:21 wahanui         you are trying to find one of those long dresses the Amish women wear.
01:21 druthb          wahanui: forget druthb
01:21 wahanui         druthb: I forgot druthb
01:22 druthb          wahanui: rangi?
01:22 wahanui         I LIKE ALMONDS! HAVE SOME NUTS!
01:23 * druthb        chuckles.
02:12 huginn          New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5524] Can't delete list from second page of results <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5524>
02:20 rangi           uh oh, someone is wrong on the internet
02:25 rangi           in better news
02:25 rangi           http://www.kiva.org/team/koha/loans
03:12 huginn          New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6748 - Add link to fast add framework while circulating, if a barcode is not... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=589403d2e8e48d3a64352bc527fda742a8edbba2> / Merge remote-tracking branch 'kc/new/bug_6726' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1e395ff152f1c8801500e719e19b4761781e653f> / Follow-up fix for Bug 6726 - When SMS is enabled the messaging t
03:24 huginn          New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 4893, Add an input field for Check In on main Staff Client page <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0cf959123edb87db184f6779766230f784dc52bd> / Merge remote-tracking branch 'kc/new/bug_6753' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=eac3046dd9ff107812a4b59ec8c98bede50a0132> / Follow-up fix for Bug 6753, Markup corrections and improvements for labe
03:36 huginn          New commit(s) kohagit: Bumping database version <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=71925724963482c196608c016894300cdd7e0d6d> / Bug 5866 : Updated patch to speed up holds awaiting pickup <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f320582b2f0a13a1a604d353300cea3238ef72cd>
03:51 Amit_Gupta      heya chris
03:51 Amit_Gupta      good morning ;)
05:10 francharb       hi
06:00 rangi           evening
06:14 reiveune        hello
06:49 hdl             hi
06:49 wahanui         hey, hdl
06:55 cait            hi all
06:57 hdl             hi ca
06:57 hdl             hi cait
07:09 rangi           hi hdl and cait
07:09 rangi           cait: whats you doing today? bratwurst and bier ? :)
07:14 hdl             hi rangi
07:23 magnuse         kia ora #koha
07:27 rangi           po marie magnuse
07:28 magnuse         um, hi rangi! ;-)
07:28 magnuse         friday evening, eh?
07:30 cait            rangi: currywurst perhaps, but no beer
07:30 cait            going on a boat trip
07:30 cait            supposed to be 33° today
07:30 cait            bye :)
07:30 magnuse         @wunder berlin
07:30 huginn          magnuse: Error: No such location could be found.
07:30 magnuse         @wunder berlin, germany
07:30 huginn          magnuse: Error: No such location could be found.
07:30 magnuse         bleh
07:31 magnuse         @wunder boo
07:31 huginn          magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 16.0�C (9:20 AM CEST on August 26, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Falling).
07:31 rangi           magnuse use the airport
07:32 rangi           @wunder schonefeld germany
07:32 huginn          rangi: The current temperature in Berlin Schoenefeld, Germany is 23.0�C (9:20 AM CEST on August 26, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 19.0�C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
07:32 rangi           warm
07:33 magnuse         yeah, and it's just 9.30 am yet...
07:34 rangi           yeah
07:35 magnuse         danielg++ # for the newsletter!
07:36 magnuse         8 people signed up for my gratis koha thingy so far, and i have one more coming soon!
07:36 rangi           yay
07:38 magnuse         when the translations are properly implemented for the packages i think i will probably expand the offer to denmark, sweden, finland, iceland...
07:38 rangi           awesome
07:39 rangi           i think we are getting pretty close with the packages
07:39 rangi           srjan has gotten busy getting stuff ready for the rugby world cup
07:39 rangi           but should be back soon
07:39 magnuse         hehe
07:40 magnuse         with the packages it takes way more time *telling* someone you set up an installation for them, than actually setting up the install
07:41 rangi           hehe
07:41 rangi           yeah the packages rule
07:41 rangi           liw++
07:41 rangi           eythian++
07:41 magnuse         i'm gonna try and see if i can make koha-create send the email too, with a letter template and the email as a command line option...
07:41 * magnuse       agrees wholeheartedly
07:41 rangi           take a look at the request-db option
07:41 magnuse         liw++
07:41 magnuse         eythian++
07:42 magnuse         srdjan++
07:42 magnuse         (although he's never on irc, is he?)
07:42 rangi           sometimes, papa is his nick
07:44 magnuse         papa++ then
07:45 magnuse         hm, not sure how request-db is relevant? it saves some stuff to a file and says "Please forward it to the right person"?
07:46 rangi           yep, but the generating the file is a good start
07:48 magnuse         ah, yes
08:29 slef            hi all
08:31 magnuse         kia ora slef
08:31 slef            magnuse, rangi: have you secured your Koha servers against the recently-published apache DoS and did you have any problems doing so? (Yes, we're secured now, but something struck me as a bit odd and I just spent a while without getting to the bottom of it. I'm wondering about koha-httpd.conf)
08:32 magnuse         hm, answering that in a publicly logged channel might not be a good idea...
08:32 slef            feel free to msg if you prefer
08:33 magnuse         :-)
08:35 rangi           the sysadmins take care of that stuff
08:38 rangi           also we run the packages, so our koha-httpd.conf is a bit different
08:51 slef            hmm :-/
08:57 slef            rangi: did your sysadmins have any problems with it and why is the package koha-httpd.conf different in any way that matters? (debian/templates/apache-*conf right?)
09:02 rangi           because it uses a different apache2, (mpm-itk) and splits things out into different places
09:02 rangi           and no problems that i heard of
09:08 slef            Do you have a test server that you wouldn't mind me running the vuln test on? I promise not to run the exploit itself
09:09 slef            I think choice of which apache2 (mpm-itk or whatever) is possible with release koha-httpd.conf too. I'm pretty sure we've got different models on different servers.
09:13 rangi           yep it might be possible with the tarball version too, you just cant run anything but itk with the packages, because it suexecs
09:14 rangi           our staging server isnt accessible to the world
09:15 rangi           but i could get one set up on monday
09:25 slef            monday not a holiday for you?
09:25 rangi           dont think so
09:26 rangi           whats monday?
09:26 wahanui         it has been said that monday is better
09:27 rangi           im pretty sure labour day is our next one
09:57 slef            Monday is our late summer bank holiday. Not sure if there's any more reason to it than that.
09:58 slef            Labour day is 1 May. Surely you have Xmas and New Year before that?
09:58 * slef          looks to see when NZ thinks Labour day is
09:58 slef            fourth Monday in October
10:03 rangi           yeah not may day
10:03 rangi           http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/politics/labour-day
11:13 druthb          o/
12:24 oleonard        Hi #koha
12:31 magnuse         ssh, it's quiet friday today... ;-)
12:33 oleonard        I guess so
12:33 * oleonard      starts rearranging the pots and pans
12:34 * magnuse       has made pizza dough
12:39 * oleonard      happily trims his dev branches for the patches pushed yesterday
12:40 * oleonard      happily realizes that last sentence is completely nonsensical in standard English
12:40 magnuse         yay
12:40 magnuse         hehe
12:41 magnuse         doing some gardening, eh?
12:42 magnuse         a norwegian library just announced a position as "pop & rock librarian" :-)
12:42 oleonard        I suppose so... "patches" could refer to patches of something growing
12:43 magnuse         heh, yeah, i was just thinking about the branches
12:44 magnuse         but why would pushing the patches around lead yuo to trim branches, i wonder? so they won't make shade for the patches?
12:47 * oleonard      ponders the origin of the mysterious "dev" tree
13:29 oleonard        Hi sekjal
13:29 oleonard        You have a lot to say about notifications :)
13:29 magnuse         sekjal++
13:30 sekjal          hi, oleonard, magnuse.  Yes, yes I do
13:31 sekjal          libsysguy hit on a topic I've been thinking about for a while
14:26 hdl             sekjal: have you seen the C4::Mailer branch ?
14:27 sekjal          hdl: not yet
14:35 rhcl            Koha Kenya -- Kool
14:44 Agent_Dani      \O
14:44 * Agent_Dani    is full of yawns today.
14:47 oleonard        \O/  <-- yawn and stretch
14:52 * Agent_Dani    sympathizes.
14:52 Agent_Dani      Got paged about 2 hours after I fell asleep and ended-up awake for about two hours...alarm went off 2.5 hours later.
14:56 rhcl            That's about like my normal sleep--I always sleep poorly.
15:01 Barrc           Hey all - does anyone know off hand if there is a script in 3.4x that will table sort column headers in an outputted table? I can write one but no point reinventing the wheel!
15:02 oleonard        Barrc: We use a JavaScript plugin to sort HTML tables in the interface if that's what you mean
15:03 Barrc           Yep, great. Does it allow for user sort?
15:03 oleonard        Clickable headers
15:03 Barrc           Splendid! Thanks
15:05 oleonard        http://tablesorter.com/
15:05 oleonard        Barrc: Are you wanting to submit a patch to add the tablesorter somewhere?
15:06 Barrc           I am just working on a new feature (RFC) to follow....
15:07 Barrc           which will add the tablesorter to a new page - if it's accepted!
15:21 slef            updated http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Proposals_for_KohaCon12#Summary_Table with as much as I know. Why does everyone go on holiday in August? ;-)
15:32 magnuse         slef++
15:32 magnuse         edinburgh? cool!
15:38 hdl             Barrc: oleonard... tablesorter should be considered as deprecated in favor of datatables.net
15:38 hdl             See a recent thread.
15:39 hdl             tablesorter is quite a burden to maintain and require the whole table to be loaded into the page iirc...
15:39 hdl             datatables.net is far easier.
15:39 slef            hdl: which recent thread?
15:39 hdl             On koha-devel
15:40 hdl             thread initiated by paul
15:40 slef            ah. I was looking at jquery lists
15:41 magnuse         probably this thread: http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2011-August/036055.html
15:41 slef            yeah just got there list 2s before you ;)
15:41 magnuse         haha!
15:41 magnuse         ;-)
15:42 slef            oleonard and chris_n were both in favour
15:42 slef            but more that datatables is a better option, not that tablesorter is deprecated?
15:42 hdl             on jquery lists, see http://git.biblibre.com/?p=koha;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/cg55/ft/MT7516
15:43 hdl             slef: at least, i would prefer that a person investigate on datatables rather than tablesorter.
15:43 slef            magnuse: I'm tempted to post only the kohacon summary table info unless anyone has questions. Do you think that's OK?
15:43 hdl             Because the usage of tablesorter has proven to be quite hard to maintain.
15:44 hdl             And If someone is to begin a new dev, he should be provided the best tools.
15:44 hdl             and information
15:44 sekjal          git-bz question:  on Ubuntu 11.04, running Firefox 6.0, my cookie doesn't seem to be setting properly, even though I've logged into bugs.koha-community.org on this machine
15:45 hdl             and if I may say, BibLibre once considered tablesorter a nice tool. But with experience, it is not so good.
15:45 magnuse         slef: i think that's a very good start! i would probably wait and see if the competition adds more info before i put more effort into it...
15:46 * magnuse       imagines kohacon12 + a trip to islay...
15:51 rhcl            sekjal: bad cookie cached? Clear all cookies and restart? Use private browsing?
15:52 slef            sekjal: which git-bz are you using? ;-)
15:53 slef            "There is no such place as the University of Wis-cosine, and if there was, the motto of their mathematics department would not be "Secant ye shall find.""
15:53 sekjal          slef: cloned from your gitorious repo
15:53 slef            sekjal: have you set the git config vars?
15:53 slef            git-bz?
15:53 wahanui         somebody said git-bz was at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_bz_configuration
15:54 slef            bz-tracker.bugs.koha-community.org.bz-user and bz-tracker.bugs.koha-community.org.bz-password
15:54 sekjal          ah, there we go
15:55 slef            I don't remember if I culled the firefox-ripping stuff but the git config one will work anyway.
15:55 sekjal          hadn't set the password, just the username
15:55 sekjal          thought I'd done that... must be going crazy
15:55 * slef          rereads his hack
15:56 sekjal          works now
15:56 sekjal          PEBKAC
15:57 slef            not necessarily.... reading the code, I think it should have got it from your firefox if it didn't have both :-/
15:58 slef            line 859 is if self.bz_user and self.bz_password:
15:58 slef            might be a bug
15:59 sekjal          it's going well now, so I'm not too concerned.  should make my QA process a little easier
16:01 reiveune        bye
16:05 libsysguy       hey sekjal,  I just wanted to say thanks for replying to my RFC
16:05 huginn          New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6790] C4::Serials::getroutinglist returns unnecessary variable <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6790>
16:06 libsysguy       you basically laid out what I wanted to say
16:07 sekjal          libsysguy:  cool.  you'd hit on things I've been thinking about for a while, so I figured now would be a good time to start laying them out and getting the ball rolling
16:07 libsysguy       yeah I'd really like to get things moving on it too.  After the first two replies I was afraid nobody shared my sentiments
16:09 sekjal          it's no small job, and I can understand folks being wary of stepping into it, but it's definitely going to be worth it
16:10 sekjal          I'm envisioning a system that can handle plaintext emails, HTML emails, HTML printed notices, SMS, RSS, Twitter, Facebook, Google+, whatever
16:10 sekjal          just specify the notice format
16:11 sekjal          and make those formats extensible
16:14 hdl             sekjal: have you solved your performance problems ?
16:14 sekjal          hdl:  in what sense?
16:14 hdl             you said you were working on that...
16:15 sekjal          we are working on Koha performance as a kind of Macro Project.  it takes a lot of different forms, from optimizing SQL and profiling the Perl code, to checking out different MySQL/Apache/Perl configs
16:16 hdl             have you had some nice results ?
16:19 oleonard        Sorry, I was afk. hdl: I agree that tablesorter will probably go away, but if someone is submitting a patch for 3.6 they should use tablesorter. A full conversion to datatables isn't going to happen quickly.
16:21 hdl             oleonard: I personnaly think that if we donot tell we are to use that tool and not that other one please consider using the first and not the latter in what you submit, then, we shall have issues... because when integrating new features, or new devs, we will end up having to reprocess things over and over.
16:21 rhcl            libsysguy: I think we may have some suggestions, just haven't formulated them yet.
16:23 oleonard        hdl: I asked a question in that thread that was not answered: Would Alex be willing to re-implement Bug 6086 using the datatables plugin to see if it fits that bug's requirements?
16:23 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6086 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, alex.arnaud, ASSIGNED , adding a dynamic filter to pending holds
16:23 oleonard        It could be a good test case.
16:24 hdl             oleonard: we are working on datatables integration.
16:24 hdl             And the branch http://git.biblibre.com/?p=koha;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/cg55/ft/MT7516
16:25 hdl             is showing that it is work in progress for circulation.
16:25 hdl             We shall soon take time to reprocess all the tablesorter we added.
16:25 hdl             But it takes time.
16:25 oleonard        Is this branch based on master?
16:25 hdl             And we needed a working implementation.
16:26 * Oak           waves
16:26 huginn          New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6733] printing routing list sends you to main serials page <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6733>
16:26 hdl             oleonard: i wished we could base our work on master. But there are still many bug fixes still not applied.
16:27 rhcl            Hi Oak
16:27 Oak             heya rhcl :))
16:27 hdl             and the translation process is still keeping us from deploying official Koha
16:27 oleonard        How will we ever reintegrate it?
16:27 Oak             how is you?
16:28 hdl             we are revamping all those branches and cleaning them in order to resend them.
16:28 rhcl            fine fine. same old stuff
16:29 Oak             good good
16:29 Oak             me go eat dinner now...
16:29 hdl             oleonard: see : http://git.biblibre.com/?p=koha;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/clean/cg55/ft/MT5671
16:29 Oak             later
16:29 oleonard        hdl: What is that?
16:29 wahanui         that is the problem
16:30 hdl             We are planning to recreate all our branches on koha-community/master
16:30 hdl             oleonard: this is a feature branch we had created for a library.
16:31 hdl             We are porting that onto master.
16:31 hdl             branch after branch
16:38 nengard         trying to add 21 lists to my koha install to test a patch
16:38 oleonard        Bug 5524?
16:38 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5524 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , Can't delete list from second page of results
16:38 * oleonard      was just about to test it
16:39 nengard         well go for it then :)
16:40 nengard         Still gonna add the lists so I can test other things in the future i should have some lists
16:40 nengard         I'll test another
16:44 * oleonard      previously created many lists for just this kind of test
16:46 nengard         :)
16:46 hdl             we could have a standard sql database shared on the wiki to make tests easier.
16:46 nengard         yeah, but I have my own personal collection in my Koha :)
16:47 oleonard        The lists could be shared, as long as they were empty.
16:47 hdl             we also have data.git on git.biblibre.com to share a sql file.
16:47 hdl             for testing purpose
16:49 hdl             If you want to send patches, feel free to do so.
16:49 hdl             I thought wiki could be a friendlier place
16:51 oleonard        nengard: Looks like you and I each discovered a new lists bug just from testing 5524.
16:51 nengard         :)
16:51 oleonard        Bug 6791, Bug 6792
16:51 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6791 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , editing list with apostrophe loses text
16:51 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6792 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Lists pagination menu disappears after list deletion
16:51 nengard         well that's good ... and bad
16:56 hdl             Is there no script for import deletion ?
17:09 libsysguy       rhcl sorry it took so long for me to get back
17:10 libsysguy       I'll keep that in mind
17:12 libsysguy       I guess we are going to form some kind of task force
17:12 rhcl            np
17:12 libsysguy       maybe we can call it notification force 12
17:15 rhcl            Task forces are typically named then postpended with greek letters. Notification Force 12 would therefore (typically) be Notification Force Μμ 	(Mu, the 12th letter of the Greek alphabet)
17:15 rhcl            :)
17:15 libsysguy       Even better :)
17:16 libsysguy       I'll make sure and put that in the Wiki and bug ticket
17:16 oleonard        Back shortly, need lunch.
17:16 rhcl            :)
17:16 rhcl            yep, time for lunch here too...
17:22 wizzyrea        whaddup peeps
17:37 larryb          Hello Koha
17:37 wizzyrea        hi larry :D
17:37 larryb          I have a quick question for the community.
17:37 wizzyrea        shoot
17:38 larryb          Is anyone using the PC Reservation System from Cybrarian, talking to their SIP server?
17:38 larryb          They don't seem to have preconfigured settings for Koha yet, but I wondered if anyone's gotten it to work.
17:39 wizzyrea        ooo I haven't had the pleasure of working with cybrarian
17:41 larryb          I've heard they're willing to create one, but I was hoping to save some time.
17:41 larryb          Oh well.
17:41 wizzyrea        well what settings does cybrarian need
17:42 * wizzyrea      has done some work like this with envisionware
17:42 larryb          Well, it looks from our SIP logs like their software isn't sending what KOHA SIP expects, or it's not getting back what it needs.
17:43 wizzyrea        aha, so something like a send/expect script
17:43 wizzyrea        does cybrarian have an example of one that works with say, sirsi?
17:43 larryb          I think they have most of the commercial vendors, plus evergreen.
17:43 wizzyrea        OH
17:43 wizzyrea        have you tried using evergreen?
17:44 wizzyrea        as the configuration
17:44 larryb          That's what they're using now, but it's not working.
17:44 wizzyrea        hmm
17:44 wizzyrea        because we use the evergreen definitions with Envisionware
17:44 larryb          hmm indeed. Sounds like it ought to work.
17:45 wizzyrea        are those plaintext definitions, can we look at them?
17:45 wizzyrea        (they are for envisionware)
17:45 larryb          I'm going to see if I can get a demo of their software to play with.
17:45 wizzyrea        question, how is it not working?
17:45 wizzyrea        can't log in?
17:45 larryb          Yeah.
17:45 wizzyrea        or can log in, but other stuff isn't working
17:45 larryb          can't log in.
17:45 wizzyrea        ok, and just to verify
17:46 wizzyrea        the sip user is defined both in the sipconfig *and* has a patron/staff account on the web interface, with circulate permissions
17:46 wizzyrea        ?
17:46 larryb          Yep.
17:46 wizzyrea        ok cool, I always have to ask
17:47 larryb          yeah, that's always the first thing I check too.
17:47 wizzyrea        (another obvious one) and the passwords are the same?
17:47 larryb          yep.
17:47 wizzyrea        ok so it's not that, that's good :)
17:47 wizzyrea        do you know does cybrarian have a place to define the send/expect?
17:47 wizzyrea        like, envisionware has a file
17:47 wizzyrea        sipscript.cfg
17:48 larryb          I do not. That's why I want to get a copy of it.
17:48 wizzyrea        and you put the send/expects in there
17:48 larryb          Yeah, I'm hoping that's all that's needed.
17:48 wizzyrea        I can send you the contents of our file for envisionware, if that would help
17:49 larryb          That may. Thanks.
18:01 sekjal          wizzyrea:  are you still having problems with SIP and diacritics in titles?
18:04 wizzyrea        good question, I don't know
18:04 wizzyrea        i will ask right now
18:05 wizzyrea        hi hankbank :)
18:05 hankbank        hi wizzyrea
18:05 wizzyrea        I wonder if you have any thoughts on http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Gamifying_the_ILS
18:05 wizzyrea        :)
18:05 hankbank        many
18:05 wizzyrea        i'd love it if you added them to the wiki :)
18:06 hankbank        ok
18:06 hankbank        I will add my contribution to the collective wisdom :)
18:06 wizzyrea        excellent, thanks :D
18:07 hankbank        tho' you do know that I am a cantankerous sort of creature? Do you not? :)
18:07 wizzyrea        I do, it's why I like you.
18:08 hankbank        :) well alright then!
18:16 rhcl            wizzyrea: where does envisionware keep the send/expect script?
18:16 wizzyrea        arg, lol, let me look up the path
18:16 wizzyrea        I would have this sent already except google docs is broken.
18:16 wizzyrea        hrmph.
18:17 rhcl            ah, so apparently it's on the Koha server somewhere? --not client side?
18:17 wizzyrea        right
18:17 wizzyrea        it's in the envisionware folder
18:17 rhcl            ah.
18:17 rhcl            ah.
18:17 wizzyrea        i trust that you could find it, the name is sipscript.cfg
18:17 rhcl            ok, I'll find it. no need to look it up for me.
18:17 wizzyrea        i know you're clever that way :)
18:18 rhcl            oh yea. I'm pretty dang "clever" :)
18:21 larryb          wizzyrea: I spoke with Cybraryn. Their send/expect settings are coded into the software; it's not in a config file.
18:21 wizzyrea        that SUUUCKS
18:21 wizzyrea        tell them to make it not suck.
18:21 wizzyrea        :)
18:21 larryb          Yeah. So I'm going to send them the Koha info and they say they can get it coded in pretty quick.
18:21 wizzyrea        cool, that's nice of them
18:21 rhcl            I wonder about Userful. I don't see a script by the above name.
18:22 wizzyrea        envisionware still doesn't properly support koha
18:22 rhcl            sekjal: do you know offhand what Userful uses?
18:22 larryb          Well, it's to their advantage to make their software work with as many systems as possible.
18:22 wizzyrea        yea, you would think that
18:22 larryb          So they seem anxious to get this fixed.
18:22 wizzyrea        that's cool, wish I could say I had the same experience with envisionware.
18:23 wizzyrea        they're like "just use evergreen" and "define your own d*** send/expect"
18:23 rhcl            My impression of envisionware always was that they had good equipment that seemed to work well but which was expensive
18:23 wizzyrea        they won't add it as an ILS
18:23 wizzyrea        well the stuff we're using isn't equipment per se
18:23 wizzyrea        just the software
18:23 wizzyrea        no self checks or anything
18:23 wizzyrea        envisionware is attainable for our libraries
18:23 wizzyrea        apparently
18:24 rhcl            yea, but I've seen their print controls--that and other things seemed to be integrated well. But that was an impression I got from seeing their systems several times back in the mid- late 2000s
18:25 wizzyrea        yea we are not using the print controls
18:26 wizzyrea        sekjal the tech in our self check library says that it's still a problem
18:26 wizzyrea        the diacritcs
18:26 rhcl            [off] I repeat our (good) intentions to take a look at Jesse's powerline and see if we can add anything to it after we get our children's learning station out the door
18:26 larryb          wizzyrea: sekjal is away right now. You might want to do a 'later' at him.
18:27 wizzyrea        ah I will
18:27 rhcl            Does Envisionware still have that auto checker inner sorter thinger?
18:27 oleonard        You and your technical mumbo jumbo.
18:27 wizzyrea        I think so, heh
18:28 rhcl            @later tell sekjal "Do you know if Userful has any kind of config script (send/receive/expect) on our Koha server?
18:28 huginn          rhcl: Error: No closing quotation
18:28 rhcl            wahhh
18:28 rhcl            @later tell sekjal "Do you know if Userful has any kind of config script (send/receive/expect) on our Koha server?"
18:28 huginn          rhcl: The operation succeeded.
18:29 rhcl            I always thought the "auto checker inner sorter thinger" (do those things have a succinct name?) was really really cool
18:29 wizzyrea        @later tell sekjal diacritics + 3m selfcheck = still broken
18:29 huginn          wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
18:30 wizzyrea        no quotes necessary :P
18:30 rhcl            Yea, but it helps me... ;)
18:31 wizzyrea        lol, you are strange but endearing.
18:32 rhcl            well
18:32 rhcl            well, thank u
18:35 wizzyrea        when was hurricane katrina?
18:35 wizzyrea        what year?
18:35 wizzyrea        2006?
18:35 wizzyrea        or 2005
18:36 oleonard        You know they make an internet for that.
18:36 wizzyrea        hrmph.
18:36 wizzyrea        2005, smarty
18:36 oleonard        2005
18:36 oleonard        jinx
18:37 wizzyrea        i remember watching katrina come in on my birthday in 2005 too.
18:37 wizzyrea        stupid irene. stay away from my friends!
18:37 oleonard        Oh is it your birthday wizzyrea?
18:37 wizzyrea        is it?
18:37 wizzyrea        I hear they make an internet for that.
18:37 wizzyrea        SNAP
18:37 oleonard        :P
18:38 wizzyrea        <3
18:38 oleonard        I guess Facebook is failing to keep up my social obligations today!
18:38 oleonard        Happy birthday!
18:38 wizzyrea        thanks :)
18:39 wizzyrea        http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/boingboing/iBag/~3/T8HgGwrfybA/hurricane-irene-as-seen-from-space-aug-26-2011.html
18:39 wizzyrea        :(
18:39 rhcl            OH YES! Happy Birthday wizzyrea
18:39 rhcl            !!
18:41 wizzyrea        thanks ^.^
18:50 wizzyrea        I love this sort of thing
18:50 wizzyrea        http://www.flickr.com/photos/walkingsf/6079677293/
18:51 rangi           morning
18:51 wizzyrea        mornin :)
18:51 rangi           and happy american birthday wizzyrea
18:51 rangi           you are already old here im afraid
18:52 wizzyrea        thank you... well I do turn 100000 to day
18:52 wizzyrea        everyone's old in the future :)
19:09 rangi           oh, the 150th committer to koha was on your birthday wizzyrea
19:09 wizzyrea        that is an AWESOME present :)
19:11 rangi           watch me hijack a mail thread to announce it
19:11 * wizzyrea      watches
19:12 * oleonard      gets the popcorn
19:12 nengard         how do i leave a comment on the koha site? I'm logged in and I see the link that says 'add your comment' but no comment box to type in
19:12 wizzyrea        which page
19:12 wahanui         which page are you thinking?
19:12 wizzyrea        forget which page
19:12 wahanui         wizzyrea: I forgot which page
19:12 nengard         http://koha-community.org/koha-newsletter-volume-2issue-7-july-2011/comment-page-1/#respond
19:13 wizzyrea        that has expired
19:13 wizzyrea        that's why
19:13 wizzyrea        no comments on posts over 30 days old
19:13 wizzyrea        today is the 26th, it was posted on the 26 of july
19:13 nengard         but that comment was left yesterday
19:13 oleonard        You just missed it!
19:14 nengard         oh
19:14 nengard         k
19:14 nengard         wont reply
19:14 oleonard        If you knew the admin she might be able to help you.
19:14 wizzyrea        if ONLY we knew the ADMIN.
19:14 oleonard        You'll have to bring a birthday present though.
19:14 * wizzyrea      looks around
19:15 wizzyrea        if you refresh, you may see the comment box again?
19:17 wizzyrea        oh wait
19:17 wizzyrea        cache
19:17 wizzyrea        sec
19:18 wizzyrea        ok how about now
19:20 huginn          New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6791] editing list with apostrophe loses text <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6791>
19:21 * wizzyrea      applauds rangi
19:24 huginn          New commit(s) kohagit: 6747 Checks in opac-export <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=223156ea74233122c35d16100724eddbcd69d66a>
19:31 rhcl            whoooa. NELKS is a high-roller!
19:31 rhcl            NEKLS+
19:31 oleonard        ?
19:32 cait            hi #koha
19:32 sekjal          sorry for disappearing; meeting
19:33 oleonard        Hi cait
19:33 cait            hi owen :)
19:33 cait            sekjal: whohoo :)
19:33 rhcl            hi cait
19:33 sekjal          rhcl:  no, don't know of any Userful script that would be handy. sorry
19:33 cait            hi rhcl :)
19:33 sekjal          wizzyrea:  what cait's whohoo'ing about, you should be, too
19:33 wizzyrea        diacritics?!
19:34 sekjal          cait's colleague fixed the SIP diacritics issue *elegantly*
19:34 rhcl            sekjal: well, I though maybe they had put one on there.
19:34 wizzyrea        OMG
19:34 wizzyrea        OMG OMG
19:34 * wizzyrea      bounces and squees
19:34 cait            he would want me to say it was not his fix
19:34 sekjal          it's passed QA, ready for Chris to push
19:34 wizzyrea        OMG
19:34 wizzyrea        BSZ++
19:34 wizzyrea        wait
19:34 cait            but he found it, so I still think he did great :)
19:34 wizzyrea        is that right?
19:34 oleonard        Don't say they never got you anything
19:34 wizzyrea        dude
19:34 sekjal          cait:  right, his work is based of Dan Scott's, but he found it, wrote it and submitted it
19:34 wizzyrea        that is also a fabulous present
19:34 cait            bsz is right liz :)
19:34 wizzyrea        yaya
19:34 cait            or uli++
19:35 wizzyrea        uli++
19:35 wizzyrea        uli++
19:35 cait            hehe
19:35 cait            he missed numbe 150 though, hehe
19:35 cait            what is the other present?
19:35 cait            I was busy getting sunburnt today
19:35 wizzyrea        150 contributors to koha :)
19:35 cait            ah
19:35 cait            saw chris' tweet earlier
19:36 wizzyrea        I got a very pretty locket too
19:36 wizzyrea        but (seriously) the best present is being friends with you people
19:36 pelletiermaxime hey, was the bug 6510 ever applied to 3.2.x ? I can only find it in the 3.4.2 changelog
19:36 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6510 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, magnus, ASSIGNED , "Sort by" in intranet search alters search and number of hits
19:36 rangi           we really need to get back to reconciling the SIP stuff
19:37 cait            yes, it would be good
19:37 rangi           ill look pelletiermaxime
19:37 wizzyrea        explain
19:37 cait            but for now we can checkout things with umlauts :)
19:37 cait            and morning rangi
19:37 rangi           well its silly for us (eg and us) to both work on it
19:37 wizzyrea        oh oh oh
19:37 wizzyrea        yes
19:37 wizzyrea        does EG have the problem with umlauts?
19:37 rangi           no, they solved it
19:37 wizzyrea        aha
19:37 rangi           thats where this fix comes from
19:37 wizzyrea        gotcha
19:38 wizzyrea        i didn't have the backstory there
19:38 rangi           pelletiermaxime: no, pushed after 3.2.x was end of lifed
19:39 pelletiermaxime rangi: ok thx for looking
19:39 rangi           jun 19 was last 3.2 release
19:40 pelletiermaxime ah ok
19:40 rangi           that was a week too late ;)
19:40 oleonard        cait: I hope I didn't duplicate any of your work on Bug 6458
19:40 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6458 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, ASSIGNED , incorrect parsing result in translation processing
19:40 rangi           it should be cherry-pickable though
19:40 cait            not sure - have not checked all the mails yet
19:40 pelletiermaxime rangi: in all case, shouldn't this bug be closed now ?
19:40 * cait          whispers: I am on vacation
19:41 rangi           need someone to test it, and mark it resolved, then yep
19:41 cait            oleonard: I had done suggestion and results on the train but lost internet connection, sent them earlier today. nothing more in the works
19:41 pelletiermaxime rangi: fwiw I just tested it and it fixes the problem =)
19:42 rangi           mark it resolved then please :)
19:42 rangi           resolved - fixed
19:42 rangi           holy crap
19:42 rangi           300k ppl being evacuated
19:43 wizzyrea        jesus.
19:43 rangi           http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/5517794/Mayor-Bloomberg-orders-NYC-evacuations
19:43 * wizzyrea      does not like this at all
19:43 rangi           laurels brother lives in brooklyn
19:43 wizzyrea        not. at. all.
19:43 rangi           is that flood prone?
19:44 * rangi         doesnt know nyc well
19:44 * wizzyrea      either
19:45 oleonard        cait: I signed off on all of yours and submitted a couple of my own
19:45 oleonard        memberentrygen.tt was a mess.
19:45 cait            oleonard: no surprise!
19:46 cait            oleonard: and thank you!
19:47 * oleonard      likes to keep busy
19:47 wizzyrea        !!!
19:47 wizzyrea        http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/5504104/7-0-earthquake-strikes-Peru
19:47 cait            :(
19:48 wizzyrea        ooo, I want to check and see what you've done to memberentry :)
19:48 wizzyrea        remote tho
19:48 rhcl            jcamins is/is not (circle one) in that area ATT
19:48 rangi           145km deep
19:48 oleonard        wizzyrea: Nothing visible, just markup changes to help translations
19:48 rangi           that would feel like not a lot on the surface
19:48 wizzyrea        and in the jungle
19:48 wizzyrea        mhm
19:49 sekjal          tornadoes, earthquakes and hurricanes, all in short succession... maybe Western Mass isn't the safest place to live anymore...
19:50 wizzyrea        heh
19:50 sekjal          but it's not sounding like anywhere else is much safer
19:50 wizzyrea        are you gonna, as they say, get out of dodge?
19:50 wizzyrea        idk about jcamins
19:50 wizzyrea        ping jcamins_away
20:01 sekjal          brb
20:02 rhcl            @seen bg
20:02 huginn          rhcl: bg was last seen in #koha 20 hours, 47 minutes, and 48 seconds ago: <bg> ;)
20:02 rhcl            should be about time for bg to wake up?
20:02 huginn          New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6019] Using memoize_memcached to cache slow subroutines <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6019>
20:05 cait            sekjal++ #thx for testing :)
20:35 cait            hehe
21:02 wizzyrea        nothing about that immediately calls out to me as wrong.
21:02 rangi           ill rework it for template::toolkit (3.2 is end of life so we wont be doing any more releases for that but its good cos it shows how to fix it for 3.4/3.6 too)
21:02 pelletiermaxime rangi: yeah i know
21:02 pelletiermaxime rangi: thanks =)
21:02 wizzyrea        except that it's HTP
21:03 pelletiermaxime ?
21:03 wizzyrea        html::template::pro, the old template system
21:03 wizzyrea        the one in use in 3.2
21:03 pelletiermaxime yeah, I know
21:03 rangi           hmm is git.kc being annoying again?
21:04 wizzyrea        it's certainly being poky
21:04 rangi           dang nabbit
21:09 jcamins_away    For the record, toilets that can't be flushed unless you have running water are a dumb idea.
21:09 wizzyrea        ^^ truth
21:09 wizzyrea        you know bill gates has an initiative to design a better toilet
21:10 jcamins_away    I did not.
21:11 jcamins_away    Does my message about us not being in an evacuation zone show in Google+ for anyone?
21:12 rhcl            jcamins_away: aren't you in an area that's likely to be getting plenty of running water soon?
21:12 rangi           done
21:12 wizzyrea        yepper
21:12 jcamins_away    rhcl: yeah, but possibly not through the pipes!
21:12 wizzyrea        bummer about the anniversary
21:13 jcamins_away    Yeah. At least it'll be memorable.
21:13 wizzyrea        the 27th?
21:13 wizzyrea        weren't you working on the day of your wedding :P
21:13 jcamins_away    "So what did you do for your first anniversary?" "Well, we rearranged our apartment to get everything away from the windows."
21:13 wizzyrea        last year
21:13 wizzyrea        lol
21:13 wizzyrea        oy
21:16 jcamins_away    Errr... only briefly.
21:16 huginn          New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6794] Broken toggle in member-flags in ie <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6794>
21:16 jcamins_away    That's also the day that C & P was officially incorporated.
21:35 cait            bye all :)
21:37 * larryb        is away:
21:48 rangi           hmm what to do today