Time Nick Message 00:03 libsysguy thanks for pushing that rangi 00:04 rangi no worries 00:04 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #383: SUCCESS in 43 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/383/ 00:04 jenkins_koha tomascohen: Bug 6744 - Acknowledge the actual es-ES translators 00:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6744 trivial, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, NEW , Acknowledge the actual es-ES translators 00:04 rangi http://techrights.org/2011/08/12/don-christie-on-swpats/ <-- my boss takes on a silly lawyer 00:19 mtj strong in Don, is the force... 00:23 Judit hi 00:24 mtj hey Judit 00:54 libsysguy so im having some trouble calling patronflags 00:54 libsysguy i am using other functions from Members.pm successfully 00:54 libsysguy but I am getting Undefined subroutine &main::patronflags called at ... when i run my script 01:27 mtj ... patronflags() is not exported 01:29 mtj @later tell member:libsysguy patronflags() is not exported 01:29 huginn mtj: The operation succeeded. 01:30 mtj hmm, not sure if that @later worked 02:56 druthb :) o/ 02:56 rangi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrEk06XXaAw 03:17 bg heya druthb 03:17 bg I like eythian's post on google+ of the turdoor turlock one 03:17 druthb hi, bg. :) 03:18 bg yo druthb++ 03:18 * druthb hasn't done nuffin! 03:18 bg heh 03:18 * bg don't believe that one 03:19 druthb just doin' mah job, boss. 03:25 * druthb swears in a most unladylike fashion. 03:29 druthb my Symphony patron-data masher is gagging on too much data. I was throwing all the borrowers into a great ol' big array of hashes, but that may not work once the number of borrowers is very large. :P 03:35 eythian ah yeah 03:35 eythian gotta watch that 03:35 eythian also, you'll find a perl process will take forever to terminate if you've allocated huge structures 03:35 eythian I don't know what it does, but it's safe to ^C it at that point 03:37 rangi can you chunk them? 03:38 eythian I've been meaning to write something that will compare file modification times, and write out to a tied hash file if need be. 03:38 rangi yeah 03:38 rangi tie is what i was gonna suggest if it was chunkable easily 03:39 rangi if you want to get funky there is DBM::Deep 03:39 eythian I'm sure there's a mongodb interface :D 03:39 rangi or you could sqlite 03:40 rangi http://search.cpan.org/~sprout/DBM-Deep-2.0004/lib/DBM/Deep.pod 03:40 rangi ive been wanting an excuse to play with it, just for the hell of it 03:40 eythian hmm, nifty 03:43 rangi CPAN? 03:43 wahanui is there anything it cant do 03:44 eythian huh? 03:44 rangi its a simpsons line 03:44 rangi donuts, is there anything they cant do 03:44 kmkale Namaskar #koha 03:47 kmkale In a mail to the lists on August 11th, I had proposed a volunteers meeting for today at 16.00 UTC. I will be around in case anybody wants to discuss anything.. 03:47 kmkale Not sure anybody does cause I did not get a single reply to the mail 03:52 druthb I'm having it write them as it finishes each borrower; creating the borrower CSV is a bit tidier if you know up front what fields you'll have, but it's okay to have a bunch of empty ones, if not. 03:53 druthb simple, few moving parts, and it *works*. (and it makes sense to me at midnight and later.) 03:59 druthb Namaskar, kmkale. :) 04:05 rangi :) 04:06 eythian yeah, in my case I need to hold a handful of large files in memory while I run through the main one, so I need to use something more sensible than that at some stage soon. 04:10 druthb I use a lot of "my @matches = qx{grep ....};" for that sort of thing. my key is at the head of the line, so I can get away with that. 04:10 druthb Overhead, yeah, but beats trying to sqeeze the whole thing into memory. 04:14 eythian in this case, it's faster to put into memory, as it'd make the lookup ~50,000 times slower otherwise. 04:14 kmkale Namaste druthb 04:14 kmkale Namaste rangi 04:14 eythian But a real indexed data structure is the best way, I just haven't got around to it 04:14 kmkale Namaste eythian 04:14 eythian hihi 04:20 * druthb is off to bed. g'night. 04:21 Brooke kia ora 04:21 rangi hiya Brooke 04:22 rangi http://skoneka.github.com/screen-session/index.html <-- for people like me who live in screen 04:23 * Brooke suspects if she were cleverer, she could work that into this UI thang. 04:24 kmkale Namaste Brooke 04:24 kmkale :) 04:24 Brooke namaste 04:25 kmkale rangi: a quick tip about screen please? How to scroll bacl while in screen? 04:25 kmkale *back 04:26 rangi whats you meta key? ctrl-a ? 04:26 kmkale meta key? 04:27 rangi ctrl+a is the default 04:27 rangi so ctrl+a [ 04:28 rangi enters copy mode 04:28 rangi then you can use the arrow keys 04:28 * kmkale is trying it out 04:28 rangi ctrl+b page up, ctrl+f down 04:28 rangi ctrl+a ] 04:29 rangi to get back out of copy mode 04:29 kmkale yooo hoo :) 04:29 kmkale Thanks rangi 04:29 rangi no worries 04:30 eythian esc gets out of copy mode a little faster 04:30 rangi actually ctrl+esc gets you into copy mode faster too 04:31 kmkale Brooke: I want to thank you for all the reviews. 04:31 kmkale rangi: not on windows 04:31 Brooke no trouble mate 04:31 rangi or maybe its ctrl+a esc 04:31 Brooke can't say that I'd do them then not do them, aye? 04:31 kmkale rangi: not that either. opens the start menue 04:31 rangi stick with [ then ;) 04:32 kmkale Brooke: and I shamelessly dumped many on you 04:32 Brooke are there duplicates of the abstracts, or do we really have over 40ish? 04:32 kmkale rangi: yah. been pulling my hair for long 04:32 Brooke kmkale: there's precious little I do for the community, so I might as well do what I can. 04:33 kmkale Brooke: thare are 21 in review 04:33 kmkale one of them is rejected 04:33 kmkale so 20 04:33 Brooke hmph 04:33 Brooke could have sworn I saw #40summat on one of mine. 04:33 kmkale the rest of 40 are mostly abandoned attempts 04:33 Brooke ah 04:33 kmkale yep you are right 04:33 Brooke 20's great though 04:34 kmkale 20 plus the panel discussions means we are good 04:34 Brooke preciso 04:34 kmkale iven if a few cant make it to the conference 04:34 Brooke indeed 04:34 Brooke downtime at conference is a plus 04:34 kmkale plus we have rangi doing a remote one ;) 04:34 Brooke and we can always jigger a couple on the spot presos 04:34 Brooke if there's TOO much downtime 04:36 Brooke we still have Shah Rukh Khan doing the keynote, right? 04:36 * Brooke is engaging in Retardican Strategery. If she says it enough, it MUST be true. 04:38 kmkale Brooke: Savitra has promised a couple of presentations too. 04:38 Brooke sweet 04:38 kmkale Brooke: Yah you sure you can make Jo look like him? 04:38 Brooke clearly I just needs drink more :P 04:38 kmkale :) 04:39 Brooke she *does* want a pant suit 04:39 kmkale if she gets in the gym now and emerges only for the flight to India, she might get the six pack abs too ;) 04:39 Brooke ha! 04:39 Brooke womenwithsixpackabs-- 04:40 Brooke the olde man at the gym that taught me exhaustion reps a LONG time ago when animals could talk and I was a wee wisp of a thing 04:40 Brooke very nearly had me with a six pack 04:40 Brooke I had the centre line 04:40 kmkale aaah but you wantshar rukh for the keynote so poor Jo must work out 04:40 Brooke and then I said "Self, this is nuts. I do not WANT a six pack." 04:41 Brooke Jo > SRK 04:41 * kmkale is scared of Brooke now. 04:41 Brooke just now? 04:42 Brooke Cait's been scairt for years :P 04:42 kmkale yah. I am not scared of talk but six packs? scary.. 04:42 Brooke that for women 04:42 Brooke I am absolutely convinced 04:42 Brooke requires a nautilus ab machine 04:42 Brooke and you have to max stack at exhaustion reps 04:43 Brooke and then as if that's not enough 04:43 Brooke you needs do the crazy lower ab crap with the flat bench 04:43 * kmkale has no clue since he has never been inside a Gym 04:43 Brooke "Ohhhh the GYM" -- Homer Simpson 04:44 * ibeardslee has started going and has realised that you actually have to do more than just turn up 04:44 Brooke http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4i8SpNgzA4 04:44 Brooke just turning up is the first step 04:44 kmkale gotta go. BBL 04:44 Brooke cheers 04:45 eythian and the first step is the whole workout. Done. 04:45 Brooke nooo that's the second step :P 04:45 Brooke I'm thinking the 13thish step is when you realise that you're fat as and have to go back, like me ;) 04:46 Brooke though if I were thin again, I'd lose my one and only threat of sitting on Rangi. 04:53 Judit you cannot take seriously any study which not recommends eating chocolate 04:53 Brooke I concur Judit 04:53 Brooke you are only further cementing my opinion of you as good people. 04:54 Judit this is a basic rule 04:54 Brooke indeed 04:54 Brooke in especial with the antioxidants present in proper dark chocolate. 04:54 Brooke we must get our antioxidants, yes? 04:55 Judit a lot of it 04:55 wahanui i think a lot of it is just making sure we get our books back 04:55 Brooke pro! 04:55 Brooke wahanui botsnack chocolate dark enough to absorb sunlight. 04:55 wahanui :) 04:56 Brooke the code4lib bot is super fresh. I suppose this happens when the channel is not publicly logged XD 05:48 cait good morning #koha 05:48 cait hi magnuse 05:48 Brooke guten morgen 05:48 magnuse hiya cait & Brooke & #koha 05:48 cait Brooke? 05:48 wahanui well, Brooke is absolutely convinced 05:49 cait go to bed! 05:49 Brooke eeep 05:49 Brooke busted. 05:49 Brooke Adrenaline has worn off anyway 05:49 magnuse we see you" 05:50 cait wow 05:50 cait it worked 05:51 eythian cait: get out out bed 05:51 eythian *of 05:51 cait :P 05:51 cait I am not so easy 05:55 magnuse hehe 05:55 magnuse cait has special powers! ;-) 05:57 cait hmpf 06:04 magnuse yay, looks like the generalization of the l10n stuff for the packages is starting to come together! 06:04 eythian wahanui: amirite 06:04 wahanui eythian: sorry... 06:04 eythian wahanui: amirite is <reply>http://zork.net/~spork/amirite.pdf 06:04 wahanui OK, eythian. 06:04 eythian amirite? 06:04 wahanui http://zork.net/~spork/amirite.pdf 06:04 eythian magnuse: indeed it does :) 06:05 magnuse but is the problem with the missing JS solved too? 06:06 eythian I don't know. I've been too busy to actually look at it. I've just been throwing in ideas and watching you and Srdjan work on it. 06:06 eythian It's like I'm a manager or something 06:06 magnuse hehe 06:06 magnuse in your dreams, mate ;-) 06:06 eythian I think the missing JS would be pretty easy to solve really 06:06 eythian Just symlink or something 06:07 eythian but I'd have to look closer at how it's supposed to look before I really talk like I know anything 06:07 magnuse well that's thr weird thing, ln -s seems to work for YUI but not for TinyMCE 06:07 eythian hmm. I wonder if we're using system tinymce 06:08 magnuse it's used for the news items at least 06:08 magnuse *editing* news items, of course 06:08 eythian yeah, I mean if we're using debian TinyMCE or bundling one 06:08 magnuse in koha it's bundled, but the packages removes the bundled one and links in the debian one 06:09 magnuse + rm -r $(TMP)/translations/intranet/__L10N__/js/tinymce 06:09 magnuse + ln -s /usr/share/tinymce2/www $(TMP)/translations/intranet/__L10N__/js/tinymce 06:10 magnuse that's from the latest commit: http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b706211917a47e40d7fa020490c8bf2bd2c512cb 06:10 eythian ah right 06:10 eythian It'd be worth seeing what that actually creates, and how that jibes up with where things are in the system. 06:11 magnuse but for me the rm'ing was erroring out, causing the whole build to fail 06:12 eythian yes, it shouldn't be there. That's because we rm out the en version, and then copy everything for the new version. 06:12 eythian So it doesn't get copied, so it's not there. 06:12 eythian So it can't be deleted 06:12 magnuse yeah, something like that 06:13 eythian it makes sense in my head :) 06:13 magnuse yay! ;-) 06:15 magnuse i'll give the newest code from sdrjan a spin today or tomorrow and see what happens 06:16 magnuse i did comment out the rm's and completed the build - after that YUI was in it's place but not tinymce, which is just weird 06:18 eythian yeah 06:23 alex_a bonjour 06:24 magnuse hiya alex_a 06:27 alex_a hi magnuse :) 06:35 cait bonjour alex_a 06:37 alex_a bonjour cait :) 06:43 cait BYE 06:43 cait sorry capslock 06:43 reiveune hello 06:43 wahanui hi, reiveune 07:00 magnuse bbiab 07:09 kf morning #koha 07:10 francharb morning everyone 07:14 kf hi francharb 07:24 kf francharb: thx for your explanation on the list! 07:24 kf francharb: can you tell when the development will be submitted? 07:25 francharb thnks kf 07:25 kf I also wondered about the influence on the tax and the fields selected in the vendor 07:25 francharb we are still working with the library who sponsored these developpement 07:25 kf ok 07:28 kf do you have documentation about how the tax calculation should work? 07:29 kf we talked about it a while ago but I still haven't found the time to realyl work on it :( 07:29 francharb kf: i'm working on rfc every second friday and it's pretty long since we did a lot for this library but this friday, i will try to do something clear for you! ;) 07:30 kf that would be nice :) 07:30 francharb especially on the tax calculation 07:30 francharb ;) 07:30 kf I am most interested in the featuers present now 07:30 kf because perhaps we can fix it a little until your bigger feature comes in 07:31 kf francharb++ :) 07:31 francharb :) 07:32 francharb i get back to you tomorrow with all the details ;) 07:33 kf thx a lot 08:37 rangi evening 08:40 magnuse morning 09:00 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 6640, Locations not showing in circ reports <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=714c8b924ede922971086597e382364bf4d79312> / Bug 6714 : Removed the "en" in some paths of opac.css <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e0eacd664c5f8c662fc22f2503530f1dc4f5f0a5> / Fix for Bug 6743 - displayFacetCount not working <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git; 09:05 jenkins_koha Starting build 384 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 09:22 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6486 - make koha-mysql get installed with the packages <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=73992e2ff435e068f8766a3d06dc510ba66af4cc> / Bug 6486 - add the koha-mysql command <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7cf4553db1a1150b9ea6a730945a0fe9c99f1127> / Merge remote-tracking branch 'kc/new/bug_6458' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a 09:40 magnuse koha-mysql? nice! 09:49 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #384: SUCCESS in 44 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/384/ 09:49 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6743 - displayFacetCount not working 09:49 jenkins_koha * preprod34: Bug 6714 : Removed the "en" in some paths of opac.css 09:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6743 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , displayFacetCount not working 09:49 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6640, Locations not showing in circ reports 09:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6714 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, fcapovilla, ASSIGNED , opac.css uses files in the /en/ directory when using other languages 09:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6640 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Template errors in defining default variable values causes information not to be displayed 09:50 jenkins_koha Starting build 385 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 09:57 rangi yeah the packages are getting really good 09:57 magnuse they sure are 09:58 magnuse i've got 2 responses on my "generous offer" so far - setting up new instances is a breeze 09:58 magnuse and it that offer would not have been possible without the packages 09:58 magnuse catalyst++ 10:02 rangi the koha on ubuntu thread is depressing 10:04 magnuse because of the non-official docs? 10:05 rangi yeah and the doing it the weird/wrong/hard way 10:06 magnuse yeah 10:06 magnuse i wonder how we could make people more aware of the INSTALL.* files? 10:07 rangi yeah, not sure .. i mean they are sitting right there 10:07 magnuse yup 10:08 rangi and for installing on ubuntu there is a ppa with packages for natty 10:08 magnuse but on the other hand, it might be somewhat natural to look for help *on the web*, not inside that package you just downloaded 10:09 magnuse ah, yes i saw that somewhere 10:09 magnuse but i forget where 10:09 magnuse is it documented somewhere? the wiki? 10:09 rangi https://launchpad.net/~koha 10:09 magnuse i wonder if putting the INSTALL-files on the wiki would make them more visible? 10:10 rangi people dont seem to look there either 10:11 rangi maybe name the tarball 10:11 rangi koha-3.4.3-read-the-damn-INSTALL-file.tar.gz 10:11 magnuse well, some people seem to find the various install documents on the wiki, but not the INSTALL files... 10:11 magnuse hehe 10:11 magnuse your call! ;-) 10:13 magnuse a search for "install koha debian" on google turns up wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.2_on_Debian_Squeeze as the first hit 10:13 rangi yep 10:13 rangi what about ubuntu? 10:13 magnuse "install koha"... not so much 10:14 rangi id suspect ppl running debian would know to read INSTALL files, but that might be my bias :) 10:14 magnuse might be ;-) 10:14 magnuse ouch, first hit for "install koha ubuntu" is http://www.botskool.com/programming-tutorials/linux/installing-koha-ubuntu-904-910-1004 - Installing Koha (harley) on Ubuntu 9.04,9.10,10.04 10:15 magnuse but second hit is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Ubuntu 10:15 rangi right 10:16 magnuse not quite sure what that is 10:16 rangi maybe just replace that with links to the install files 10:17 magnuse google seems to like mediawiki sites, so maybe if we put the INSTALL files on the wiki and gave them the "best" names it would do some good 10:17 rangi yeah cant hurt 10:17 rangi the trick will be keeping them up to date 10:17 magnuse i also had an idea of putting a box on every single installation page oin the wiki saying please try the official files first 10:18 magnuse yeah, keeping them up to date is the trick 10:18 magnuse i could voluteer to be look after that, for exmaple 10:18 rangi that would be cool 10:19 magnuse wow, spelling is hard... 10:21 magnuse and there should be some guidance on how to change them - "do not edit this page, edit the files or tell someone to do it for you" 10:22 magnuse make it go through the proper channels 10:23 magnuse the pages could even be locked so they couldn't be edited willy nilly 10:24 magnuse or there could ba locked page and another page with the text that could be open for suggestions/improvements 10:24 magnuse s/ba/be a/ 10:25 slef hi all 10:25 slef oh, the wiki install docs again :( 10:25 Oak hi slef 10:25 magnuse kia ora slef 10:25 Oak hello #koha 10:25 Oak magnuse 10:25 magnuse Oak 10:25 rangi right, new packages from master building 10:26 magnuse yay 10:31 kf 2.5 hour meeting... 10:32 kf and i have to write the protocol 10:32 magnuse ouch 10:33 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #385: SUCCESS in 43 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/385/ 10:33 jenkins_koha * robin: Bug 6482 - allow the mysql details to be changed during koha-create 10:33 jenkins_koha * f.demians: Bug 6458 Template Toolkit files test case 10:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6482 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, ASSIGNED , koha-create makes assumptions about the mysql username 10:33 jenkins_koha * robin: Bug 6486 - add the koha-mysql command 10:33 jenkins_koha * robin: Bug 6486 - make koha-mysql get installed with the packages 10:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6458 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, NEW , incorrect parsing result in translation processing 10:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6486 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, ASSIGNED , Need a quick way to access mysql as the user for a koha instance 10:33 magnuse woohoo! 10:34 kf :) 10:34 kf I wonder why jenkins is happy 10:35 magnuse why shouldn't he be? ;-) 10:35 kf rangi: I see you pushed the translation test - is that test running 10:35 kf ? 10:36 kf bug 6458 10:37 rangi it will now 10:38 rangi !jenkins build koha_master now 10:38 jenkins_koha rangi: job koha_master build scheduled now 10:38 jenkins_koha Starting build 386 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 10:38 rangi it will fail 10:38 rangi but now ppl can send patches to make it pass 10:42 kf yep :) 10:42 kf I wanted to work on that 10:42 magnuse yay that looks cool 10:42 kf but you were faster:) 10:42 magnuse ...and useful 10:42 kf which is not so surprising... because I am way behind on my todo list 10:44 rangi http://liw.fi/linux20/ 10:44 rangi from the man who brought you the koha packages :) 10:45 liw *blushes* 10:45 magnuse liw++ 10:46 magnuse "So, what have I learned during these twenty years? Most importantly, everyone can make a difference." yay! 10:47 rangi :) 10:47 kf liw++ 10:47 rangi very nice writeup liw, and im not even unconcious :) 10:48 liw rangi, have you considered opening up your own marketing bureau? :) 10:48 rangi hehe 10:50 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6747] Additional check in opac-export <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6747> 10:50 magnuse ooh, Troms� is the first norwegian university to say they will prefer buying e-books over printed books (they were also first to get rid of printed journals) 10:51 rangi magnuse: are you allowed to say who/where your two first hosted koha ppl are? 10:51 rangi liw: did you see this http://libriotech.no/gratis-koha ? (its using the packages) 10:52 liw rangi, cool! 10:52 magnuse rangi: in norway ;-) hm, one works at the national library and the other is a student 10:52 kf oh cool 10:52 kf national library! 10:52 rangi hehe 10:53 kf hm seems slef is going to look at bug 6458 :) 10:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6458 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, ASSIGNED , incorrect parsing result in translation processing 10:53 rangi cool 10:54 magnuse and the beta testers work at a public library and a university college - so there are 4 in all now 10:54 rangi awesome 10:55 magnuse and we're just getting started ;-) 10:55 rangi yup 11:02 rangi chris_n must be awake 11:05 jenkins_koha Starting build 36 for job Koha_3.4.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 11:11 magnuse lunch! 11:12 magnuse rangi: either that or he is cherry picking commits in his sleep ;-) 11:12 rangi ;) 11:13 magnuse hm, if koha-mysql is in 3.4.x there are probably some other package-related stuff that could/should be there too? 11:13 kf :) 11:13 magnuse or maybe i just missed them getting in there... 11:14 rangi hmm might be worth checking 11:15 rangi ok, sleep time cyas tomorrow 11:15 kf good night rangi 11:30 Oak liw, excellent read, loved it: http://liw.fi/linux20/ 11:30 liw thanks 11:31 Oak :) and not long at all, ended too soon 11:37 kf :) 11:37 kf Oak 11:37 Oak kf 11:38 Oak :) how are you? 11:39 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #386: UNSTABLE in 1 h 1 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/386/ 11:39 kf fine 11:39 kf writing a looong protocol 11:41 magnuse uh oh, i can sense a disturbance in the force 11:41 kf you can? 11:41 kf oh 11:41 kf yes 11:42 kf I feel it too 11:43 slef kf: no, jenkins_koha mentioned it as being included, it was PATCH-Sent, so I should have just updated status to reflect that frederic is working on it. 11:43 slef If I assigned it to myself, then error 11:45 kf not sure fredericd is - was the bug assigned to him? 11:45 kf ah, it probably was... because he was working on the test 11:57 kmkale Namaste kf & magnuse 11:57 kmkale Namaste slef 11:58 magnuse namaskar kmkale 12:00 kf hi kmkale 12:03 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.4.x build #36: SUCCESS in 57 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.4.x/36/ 12:03 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6743 - displayFacetCount not working 12:03 jenkins_koha * preprod34: Bug 6714 : Removed the "en" in some paths of opac.css 12:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6743 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , displayFacetCount not working 12:03 jenkins_koha * robin: Bug 6482 - allow the mysql details to be changed during koha-create 12:03 jenkins_koha * f.demians: Bug 6458 Template Toolkit files test case 12:03 jenkins_koha * robin: Bug 6486 - add the koha-mysql command 12:03 jenkins_koha * robin: Bug 6486 - make koha-mysql get installed with the packages 12:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6714 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, fcapovilla, ASSIGNED , opac.css uses files in the /en/ directory when using other languages 12:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6482 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, ASSIGNED , koha-create makes assumptions about the mysql username 12:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6458 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, ASSIGNED , incorrect parsing result in translation processing 12:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6486 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, ASSIGNED , Need a quick way to access mysql as the user for a koha instance 12:28 chris_n magnuse: please let me know if you see package related commits not in 3.4.x which should be 12:28 magnuse chris_n: cool, i'll have a look tomorrow! 12:40 kf chris_n: any news from fredericd? 12:41 kf I think you picked my change for Set library into 3.4 and there shoudl be at least one translation change now for 3.4 - 12:50 chris_n kf: he sends along a pull request the morning of the 22nd usually 12:51 kf chris_n: yes, but the files need an update too before that 12:51 kf hmhm 12:51 chris_n kf: shoot him an email 12:52 chris_n kf: I'm not familiar with the logistics of translation/pootle, sorry :-( 12:53 kf it's ok 12:54 * chris_n prefers chocolate labs to "pootles" personally ;-) 12:59 * oleonard wonders what you have to cross a poodle with to get a pootle. A kettle? 13:00 magnuse mmm, chcocolate... 13:00 kf hehe 13:02 chris_n lol 13:13 Agent_Dani Hi 13:13 Agent_Dani \o 13:13 magnuse o/ 13:26 slef hi kmkale 13:29 oleonard Grr... AT&T did "maintenance" last night and now our internet is in 56K territory 13:30 magnuse ooh, a free downgrade! 13:36 * oleonard can't even git fetch 13:40 kf horror! 14:00 * Agent_Dani just got a good memory test - try to remember every place that she has spent at least 7 consecutive days in the past 13 years. 14:02 kf lol 14:02 kf visa application? 14:02 Agent_Dani Nope; establishing state residency to qualify for in-state tuition rates. 14:03 Agent_Dani They also require a copy of my last income tax filing. 14:03 kf hm, that makes kind of sense - the other not so much 14:04 Agent_Dani It would if not for the fact that they've already asked for just about everything related that appears on that form. 14:04 * Agent_Dani envisions fun with that because her taxes were filed under her former name. 14:05 * kf offers cookies 14:05 Agent_Dani Thanks. I just might walk over to Carolina Brewery and get a beer. ;) 14:06 kf or that :) 14:06 Agent_Dani hee! 14:06 * Agent_Dani books a meeting in "conference room C." 15:16 jcamins_away Agent_Dani: are you in NY? 15:16 Agent_Dani jcamins_away: No, NC. 15:16 jcamins_away Huh. Apparently NC and NY do "in-state" the same way. 15:17 jcamins_away I will probably be "in-state" next year. If I'm lucky. 15:17 jcamins_away Not that I'm going anywhere with in-state tuition, but it's the idea of the thing. 15:17 Agent_Dani My cynical side says this is to give excuses to classify more students as out of state. 15:17 Agent_Dani Ah. 15:18 jcamins_away Agent_Dani: it totally is. 15:18 * Agent_Dani has filed NY tax returns but she has never lived in that state. 15:27 slef oleonard-away: DSL or what? 15:29 slef @later tell oleonard if DSL and the router didn't disconnect while they were messing it up, manually telling the router to force a retrain may help, but it'll take a while and depends on exchange kit sanity IIRC 15:29 huginn slef: The operation succeeded. 15:40 libsysguy hey after a patron is restricted and pays their fine 15:40 libsysguy do they get automatically unrestricted 15:40 wizzyrea no 15:40 libsysguy 0_0 15:40 libsysguy whats the reason behind that? 15:41 wizzyrea nobody's developed it yet 15:41 wizzyrea afk 15:41 libsysguy ok well ill add that to my list of things to develop 15:42 jcamins_away libsysguy: also, there was some controversy over how the automatic undebarring should work. 15:43 jcamins_away There's a bug in bugzilla with a discussion about it. 15:43 kf ie-- 15:43 libsysguy is it bug 2720? 15:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2720 enhancement, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Fines that debar automatically, should undebar automatically when paid. 15:43 kf I think so 15:44 kf not sure if the fines in days feature allows automatic undebarment 15:45 kf but it's a different thing 15:45 kf only thinking loud... back to ie 15:45 libsysguy ಠ_ಠIE 15:49 jcamins_away ie-- # in solidarity with kf. 15:50 kf i even changed the template 15:50 kf can't believe I did that 15:50 kf and it's still not working 16:01 kmkale Namaskar #koha 16:03 kmkale hi jcamins 16:03 jcamins Hi there, kmkale. 16:03 jcamins How go conference preparations? 16:04 libsysguy does liblime call their version of Koha "Koha Academic"? 16:04 kmkale looking better now that we have a few papers 16:04 slef libsysguy: one of them. 16:04 wahanui it has been said that one of them is bound to have a good idea ;) 16:05 slef Brooke++ for reviewing paper proposals 16:05 kmkale yep. Brooke++ 16:06 slef bbl 16:06 kf Brooke++ 16:07 libsysguy anybody know the bug number for the circ rewrite off the top of their head 16:07 jcamins The number bug 5692 comes to mind, but I don't think that's it. 16:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5692 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Adds an alternative cataloguing plugin for 210$c 16:08 jcamins I was right. :) 16:08 jcamins (that it wasn't it) 16:09 libsysguy yeah i was like nooo i think that was wrong lol 16:11 libsysguy it was 5872 16:11 libsysguy bug 5872 16:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5872 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , Enhancements to circulation (see comment 23 for details) 16:12 kf time to go - bye all :) 16:13 libsysguy wizzyrea: do you know if patrons get blocked for overdues in the same way they get blocked for excessive fines 16:20 libsysguy if I wanted to checkout the bug 5872 branch...would it just be git checkout -b localname origin/new/needs_signoff/bug_5872 16:20 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5872 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , Enhancements to circulation (see comment 23 for details) 16:32 jcamins libsysguy: yes. 16:47 libsysguy jcamins do you know what there are 3 debared fields in overdue rules? 16:47 jcamins I do not, sorry. 16:48 cait you can debar with sending one of the letters 16:48 cait the same time 16:48 cait so with the first or with the second or... 16:48 cait you are only supposed to check one of course :) 16:48 jcamins Oh, I didn't understand the question, sorry. 16:48 jcamins What cait said. 16:49 libsysguy so since you can send 3 letters you can choose to debar those 3 times? 16:49 libsysguy or one of those 3 times 16:49 jcamins One of. 16:49 f18 hi! i i'd like to install koha, succeeded so far, but port 8080 is used by another software, therefore i'd like to change the koha-port from 8080 to 8081 (eg)... the only thing I've to do is change the /etc/apache2/ports.conf and the koha-httpd.conf, no? 16:49 jcamins f18: that is correct. 16:49 libsysguy ^^ 16:53 f18 but it seems like there is no content in the referenced /, because i get a 404... 16:59 cait which files did you change? 16:59 cait I think you need to change the virtualhost entry 16:59 cait and the port your apache listens to? 17:03 f18 the ports.conf and the koha-httpd.conf, 17:03 f18 I'll try the virtualhost entry 17:04 cait that should be the second file actually I think 17:04 cait apache and me are not really friends 17:04 f18 hehe :) 17:07 f18 hm.. no, the only thing apache tells me while restarting is: [Thu Aug 18 11:05:41 2011] [warn] NameVirtualHost *:8081 has no VirtualHosts 17:07 jcamins f18: that means that you need to adjust the VirtualHost directive. 17:07 f18 but that's not really true, because in the hoa-httpd.conf there is a <VirtualHost 127.0.1.1:8081> 17:07 jcamins f18: there's your problem. 17:07 jcamins It needs to be *:8081 17:08 jcamins Not 127.0.1.1:8081 17:08 f18 ok, i understand.. w8 17:08 f18 thank you! :-) 17:10 reiveune bye 17:10 jcamins You're welcome. 17:18 wizzyrea libsysguy_lunch: i would have to go backthrough my notes 18:12 bg @wunder 93109 18:12 huginn bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 23.5�C (11:11 AM PDT on August 18, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 18.0�C. Pressure: 29.90 in 1012.4 hPa (Falling). 18:12 bg great day outside 18:12 oleonard @wunder 45701 18:12 huginn oleonard: The current temperature in Athens, Ohio is 30.0�C (1:55 PM EDT on August 18, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 35%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). 18:15 oleonard jQuery-UI native widget replacement for the greybox modal dialog system: http://screencast.com/t/uEGO1bb28fgF 18:20 Agent_Dani That it is; causing me to rather I was on the other side of the window over my desk. 18:21 Agent_Dani @wunder 27599 18:21 huginn Agent_Dani: The current temperature in Falls of New Hope, Chapel Hill, North Carolina is 30.6�C (2:20 PM EDT on August 18, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: 18.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014.1 hPa (Falling). 18:32 luisb hi everyone, I find that I'm going to need multiple instances of koha to facilitate the needs of our research center. I've taken a look at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Installing_Multiple_Instances_of_Koha and it seems that each instance, essentially, needs it's own installation. 18:32 luisb is there a way I can have just one codebase and have each instance look there instead? 18:34 magnuse luisb: the easiest way by far is to use the packages for debian - if you can install on debian 18:34 cait :) 18:34 cait what magnuse said 18:34 cait koha-common++ 18:35 magnuse luisb: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.4_on_Debian_Squeeze 18:35 luisb hmm. my test machine is ubuntu, but prodcution will be rhel-flavored (CentOS) 18:37 luisb thanks for the tip though. perhaps i can scrouge up a server and throw debian on it when the time comes. 18:38 magnuse hm, then i think dev installs will be the best bet 18:38 magnuse it's not that hard 18:38 magnuse then you can have several installs running off the same code 18:39 luisb we're going to be using koha in what's probably a pretty unique way/ser/ser 18:39 magnuse oops 18:40 luisb silly disconnects 18:41 libsysguy_lunch is there a way to customize the 404 and 500 page? 18:41 luisb magnuse: that does sound good actually. that's how i've installed it on my ubuntu box now 18:42 oleonard libsysguy_lunch: What were you hoping to do? 18:42 libsysguy_lunch fail whales 18:42 libsysguy_lunch jk 18:42 libsysguy_lunch just something to offer users somewhere else to go 18:42 libsysguy_lunch rather than just the back button 18:47 oleonard libsysguy: 18:47 oleonard $("h4:contains('Error 404')").after("<p><a href=\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzzjgBAaWZw\">Here's a video of ninja cat</p></a>"); 18:49 wizzyrea ninja cats. 18:49 wizzyrea I like it. 18:49 libsysguy ^^ 19:33 rhcl_away timehack 19:35 rangi Whens next gbsd? 19:36 rhcl http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/2011-09-02_Global_bug_squashing_day 19:36 rangi cool thanks 19:36 rhcl np 19:40 rangi yay nice bus driver waited for poor girl running to the bus in torrential downpour 19:40 rangi friday is starting off ok 19:41 rangi natec? 19:41 wahanui I LIKE SPACE! 19:41 wizzyrea oo 19:41 wizzyrea rangi? 19:41 wahanui I LIKE ALMONDS! HAVE SOME NUTS! 19:41 rangi heh 19:41 wizzyrea i laugh every single time. 19:41 rangi NateC: stag party soon eh? 19:41 rhcl oak! 19:41 rangi or bachelor party or whatever 19:41 Oak rhcl! 19:42 rangi you gonna party on your deck? 19:42 Oak :) 19:42 Oak cait 19:42 wizzyrea the "get wasted and forget you're getting married" party 19:42 Oak hello #koha 19:42 rhcl Party? Beverages and almonds? 19:42 Oak rangi, you don't sleep much do you 19:42 rhcl geocords? 19:43 Oak who is getting married? 19:43 rangi its 7.40am and ihave 2 kids under 5 so nope not so much heh 19:43 Oak heh :) 19:45 * wizzyrea likes to party on the deck 19:47 oleonard The deck is the long part of the house's mullet. 19:49 cait morning rangi, hi Oak and all 19:49 * cait waves 19:50 Oak :) 19:50 rangi heya cait 19:50 wizzyrea evenin cait 19:50 rhcl hihi 19:51 rangi danielg++ 19:53 Oak must listen to this to this cover of Radiohead song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUmmsMeHAaE 19:55 cait danielg++ indeed :) 19:55 wizzyrea whoa what did I miss? 19:55 wizzyrea oh 19:55 wizzyrea I see now. My mail is just slowish. 19:55 rangi :) 19:56 rangi I should send him stuff about nz koha users meeting 19:56 cait yes :) 19:56 wizzyrea yea, that'd be good 19:59 rangi ok my stop bbs 20:06 rangi back 20:07 rangi Peak for #koha: 53 (Thu Aug 18 00:58:02 2011) 20:11 cait @wunder Konstanz 20:11 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 24.0�C (10:00 PM CEST on August 18, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 17.0�C. Pressure: 29.93 in 1013 hPa (Rising). 20:13 libsysguy so refworks is asking for z39.50 access to our catalog 20:13 libsysguy has anybody set this up before 20:14 rangi yes 20:15 rangi you'll most likely need help from your IT dept, to get a whole in the firewall 20:16 libsysguy oh great...they were requesting access for like 255 IP's 20:16 libsysguy do you know what port it is on? 20:16 rangi lol, im sure IT will love that ;) 20:16 libsysguy well...they will most likely deny it 20:16 rangi the other part you have to do, is edit your koha-conf.xml 20:16 wizzyrea lots of stuff in the list archives 20:16 wizzyrea on that 20:16 wizzyrea libsysguy 20:16 wahanui libsysguy is curious why it is looking for the biblios table 20:16 rangi to set the z3950 server to listen on an ip/port 20:17 libsysguy ok cool 20:17 cait good night #koha 20:17 oleonard Bye cait 20:17 cait bye owen :) 20:18 rangi libsysguy: http://soundcloud.com/the-association/feel-me-coming-maschineii <-- this will help 20:20 libsysguy sweet...my pandora one subscription expired yesterday so I've been on the search for good music 20:20 wizzyrea oh 20:20 wizzyrea libsysguy 20:20 wahanui libsysguy is Koha's hottest developer or partying with swedes on his deck 20:20 wizzyrea i have invites for google music 20:20 wizzyrea you want one? 20:20 libsysguy i have google music...i forgot aobut that 20:21 libsysguy but thanks wizzyrea for reminding me :) 20:21 wizzyrea yw 20:21 rangi and one for refworks 20:22 rangi http://soundcloud.com/theboomzers/the-boomzers-so-fuck-you-ep 20:22 libsysguy excellent...i like it already 20:23 libsysguy so do I change the host in koha-conf or just find the port number and give it to refworks? 20:24 aarkerio hi! 20:25 rangi libsysguy: you need to make some changes 20:25 rangi lemme find a good writeup 20:25 libsysguy ok thanks rangi 20:25 aarkerio so when I add a MARC21 the data is saved in "biblio" table? 20:25 libsysguy sorry for being such a newb 20:25 rangi naw its fiine 20:25 wizzyrea we love nubs 20:27 rangi aarkerio: biblio, biblioitems and items 20:28 aarkerio mmm, so I can save a book without MARC21 info about it? 20:29 rangi it will make MARC info about it when you save 20:29 rangi http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-2-manual/?ch=x15269#publicztarget 20:29 rangi libsysguy 20:29 wahanui libsysguy is Koha's hottest developer or partying with swedes on his deck 20:30 rangi that was for you 20:30 libsysguy w00t...how did you know I was dating a Swede? 20:31 wizzyrea well wahanui knows anyway lol 20:31 rangi heh i meant the link :) 20:31 rangi but yes wahanui is a stalker 20:31 libsysguy oops...i think wahanui is stalking me 20:31 rangi check this out 20:31 rangi https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150404069288362 20:31 rangi if you can see it 20:32 wizzyrea wowie! 20:32 aarkerio I am new in Koha, some guy (recently died) captured 2,200 books in... excel!! 20:32 wizzyrea arg! 20:32 libsysguy wow 20:32 libsysguy that is...interesting... 20:32 libsysguy and holy cow aarkerio 20:32 libsysguy csv ftw 20:33 rangi aarkerio: we have some scripts to convert csv to MARC21 20:33 aarkerio but the worksheet have only, ID, Title, Author and clasification 20:33 aarkerio he made all with excel, lent and checkout and so 20:33 wizzyrea that has to be the most enthusiastic koha launch ever. 20:33 wizzyrea no boring press releases in belize, oh no 20:34 rangi heh for sure 20:34 rangi aarkerio: right, not ever isbn? 20:34 aarkerio rangi: thanks, can you share some link about CSV->Koha 20:34 rangi yep 20:35 aarkerio no, I think he never know about ISBN 20:35 rangi :( 20:35 aarkerio I don't know if is easier capture books again with Koha 20:36 rangi if you only have title and author 20:36 rangi making marc is most likely not worth it, you might be better off to use the Z3950 search in Koha to recatalogue them 20:37 aarkerio yea, maybe is better someone capture 30 or 40 books by day and in few months we get all the 2,200 books 20:39 rangi *nod* 20:39 rangi what i would do 20:39 rangi is by a cheap barcode scanner 20:39 rangi so you can scan the isbn number on the book 20:39 rangi then you can fetch the marc record from library of congress (or somewhere else) 20:41 aarkerio mmm, yea 20:41 aarkerio by the way, since what year books have ISBN? 20:41 wizzyrea 1966 20:42 wizzyrea was when it was developed 20:42 wizzyrea approved as a standard in 1970 20:44 aarkerio ok, thanks guys! 20:46 wizzyrea hehe 20:46 wizzyrea http://video.linux.com/video/2127 20:46 rangi hehe 21:09 pm rangi: alright, here I am =) 21:09 rangi heya pm 21:10 rangi you're in quebec? 21:10 Guest6325 well of course pm is registered 21:10 Guest6325 yes 21:10 bg ahhh NateC? 21:11 bg NateC? 21:11 wahanui I LIKE SPACE! 21:11 rangi cool, one of my good friends is from there, sits downstairs .. fmarier on identi.ca 21:12 bg man I missed all the talk about decks 21:12 rangi so you work at Libéo? 21:13 Guest6325 yeah, with Frédérick Capovilla 21:13 rangi if you are quick you can be contributor number 150 ;) 21:13 Guest6325 I do have quite a few patches i'm looking at contributing =) 21:14 rangi excellent 21:21 rangi you get bonus points for passing the perlcritic tests too 21:22 wizzyrea who's got the chorewars link lol 21:23 rangi http://www.chorewars.com/invite.php?id=1374895405058 21:24 bencahill hey guys, is there an easy way to enter, say, title,author,isbn for books that aren't in the loc? 21:24 rangi um yeah, just enter those fields in the editor? (plus the mandatory ones) 21:26 bencahill rangi: this librarian doesn't know what the mandatory fields would be...and isn't that interested (e.g. 000, 001, 003, and 005) 21:26 rangi it will tell you 21:26 rangi if you try and submit it without filling those in 21:26 rangi and it will even fill them in for you 21:26 bencahill ok lemme try one, sec 21:26 rangi 040 and 942c as well 21:26 rangi anything with a little red * by it 21:27 bencahill right... 21:27 bencahill thus the "e.g." ;-P 21:28 bencahill okay, what's the author field? 21:28 bencahill I assume title is 245a? 21:28 bencahill is 100 author? 21:28 wizzyrea 100a is the author 21:28 rangi does it have a red * by it? 21:29 bencahill rangi: 100a doesn't, no 21:29 rangi then its not mandatory 21:29 bencahill rangi: 245a does 21:29 rangi yep 21:29 bencahill but if I have author, might as well enter it? 21:30 rangi you should enter as much as possible 21:30 bencahill right 21:30 rangi the more you have, the more discoverable the record is 21:30 bencahill ok, does it matter if 020a has hyphens/dashes or not? 21:30 wizzyrea supposedly the zebra search compensates 21:30 wizzyrea but I think that might currently be broken 21:31 rangi do it without 21:31 bencahill rangi: ok 21:31 bencahill wizzyrea: wrong question, I should've asked, "which is preferable?" ;) 21:31 wizzyrea ah 21:32 bencahill how does the author field (100a) work? it brings up a popup 21:33 rangi its under authority control then 21:33 rangi i feel a link to the manual coming on 21:33 bencahill I do as well 21:34 rangi but you probably want to edit the framework, and turn that off, since im guessing you dont have authorities set up 21:34 bencahill no, I don't 21:34 bencahill (don't have authorities set up, that is) 21:35 rangi pelletiermaxime: http://perldoc.koha-community.org/ 21:35 rangi bencahill: http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-4-manual-en/ 21:35 bencahill rangi: looking at 1.1.3... 21:36 rangi http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-4-manual-en/?ch=x4912#marcbibframeworks 21:36 rangi specifically 1.4.1.4 21:38 pelletiermaxime rangi: ? 21:40 wizzyrea I think he's suggesting that you should consult the perldoc before submitting patches 21:40 wizzyrea :) 21:41 rangi pelletiermaxime: perldoc for all the koha scripts and modules, so bonus points for fixing/adding to it 21:41 rangi its generated from the pod in the files themselves 21:41 pelletiermaxime rangi: oh if only I had the time. Maybe I will in a few months. 21:42 pelletiermaxime rangi: but I found the pod doc to be quite good 21:42 rangi well any patches you submit, should of course update the POD ;) 21:42 pelletiermaxime rangi: well of course. I wouldn't expect a patch that doesn't update the pod to be accepted 21:43 rangi depends if its someones first patch or not, we usually help people with their first ones 21:44 pelletiermaxime anyway, just finished another big day hacking on koha. I will probably come back here from time to time =) 21:44 rangi cool 21:45 pelletiermaxime especially since I will probably work on koha for the next 8 months 21:45 rangi you should definitely come to the irc meetings 21:45 wizzyrea come hang out anytime 21:45 pelletiermaxime hoping I can contribute more someday, hehe 21:45 wizzyrea I found it works best when you just make that part of what you do 21:57 bencahill rangi: what should I be looking for? I'm editing the tag 100 subfield a, and it doesn't have an Authorized value... 21:58 rangi not authorised values, authorities, is thesaurus set, its probably set to PERSON_NAME or something like that currently 21:59 bencahill rangi: ah yes, it's set to PERSO_NAME 21:59 bencahill Thesaurus: means that the value is not free text, but must be searched in the authority/thesaurus of the selected category 21:59 rangi thats the one, set that to nothing will switch it off 21:59 bencahill I see :) 21:59 wizzyrea later peps 22:00 rangi cya wizzyrea 22:05 bencahill rangi: what differences are there between the frameworks? (i.e. why do I want to select Books, Booklets, Workbooks for a book?) 22:06 rangi because types of materials should have different things catalogued about them, you can just use default for all if you want 22:06 bencahill ok, thanks 22:08 bencahill rangi: ofc, I can't change subfields for the default framework, so I should use the bks one if I want to change stuff (e.g. the authorities for 100b)? 22:10 rangi you cant change subfields? 22:10 rangi why? 22:13 bencahill rangi: oh wait...nvm 22:14 bencahill some pebkac here 22:20 Judit morning 22:23 rangi hi Judit 22:31 Judit feels like monday morning here 22:31 Judit rainy monday morning 22:35 eythian Same here, 'cept it feels like it should be Saturday, only I'm at work :) 22:38 * chris_n looks in for a moment 22:38 rangi heya chris_n 22:38 chris_n hey rangi 22:38 chris_n staying warm? 22:39 rangi yeah its warmed up quite a bit 22:39 eythian It's now 8 22:39 chris_n wow... scorcher eh? 22:40 * chris_n actually had time to fix a bug the other day :) 22:40 rangi heh cool ;) 22:41 chris_n its been a very busy few months spent mostly away from the desk 22:42 chris_n but we were able to trim about $2K/month from our largest building's power bill 22:43 rangi wow, thats a good saving 22:44 chris_n yeah, we're hoping to do it again for the other four large buildings (together that is) 22:45 chris_n ok, off to eat supper 22:46 mtj http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/08/appeals-court-says-only-complicated-math-is-patentable.ars 23:06 chilts wow, that's just ridiculous 23:06 chilts and I haven't even read the article (maybe I should!) :/ 23:07 * chilts reads now 23:07 rangi hehe 23:30 rhcl http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2011/08/does-apotheker-need-an-apothecary-why-hp-is-exiting-the-pc-business.ars 23:32 rangi sucks to be the guy who just did the speech at linuxcon from hp, saying how committed they are to webos 23:33 rhcl never believe 'em. They Lie. 23:38 rhcl I will miss HP computers, however. I've always felt they offered pretty good quality at prices < IBM/Lenovo 23:38 rangi yeah they werent bad 23:40 rhcl at least they are fairly mainstream--I've never had to replace a DVD drive with some wierd/proprietary connector like I've found w/ Dell. 23:41 rangi hi nengard 23:41 rangi in LA? 23:42 nengard hiya rangi 23:42 nengard at the airport 23:42 nengard in the sky club with free wifi, confy chairs, free food and drinks :( 23:42 nengard wait 23:42 nengard I meant :) 23:42 nengard hehe 23:42 rangi :) 23:42 nengard finished with kristina a bit ago 23:42 nengard but dont' fly for another 5 hours 23:45 mtj heya nengard 23:45 wahanui nengard is, like, fast 23:45 nengard hehe 23:45 nengard hi mtj 23:46 mtj have some airport nibbles on me xox :) 23:47 rangi good chat with kristina? 23:50 Agent_Dani There, with proper pneumatic pressure in the fork and shocks, riding my Voyager ought to be much nicer. :) 23:51 nengard rangi yes, 23:51 nengard we decided moodle wasn't right for what i wanted 23:51 rangi cool, she rules 23:51 nengard but i learned how to use it and now i feel much better about it :) 23:51 nengard she does 23:56 rangi heres a new one 23:56 rangi http://41.139.181.198/ 23:56 rangi go go kenya! 23:57 rhcl site looks pretty good