Time  Nick          Message
00:01 bencahill     before that these two:
00:01 bencahill     [warn] zebra_lock_create fail fname=/var/lock/koha/zebradb/biblios/norm..LCK [Permission denied]
00:01 bencahill     [warn] zebra_lock_create fail fname=/var/lock/koha/zebradb/biblios/shadow..LCK [Permission denied]
00:01 rangi         yeah there you go
00:01 rangi         did you run it as root or something, before you ran it as koha?
00:01 bencahill     I'm running it as koha
00:02 rangi         you will have messed up the permissions if you did
00:02 bencahill     rangi: I ran zebrasrv first as root...
00:02 bencahill     now running as koha
00:02 rangi         something/someone ran it before as root
00:02 bencahill     rangi: zebrasrv, or rebuild_zebra.pl?
00:02 rangi         cd /var/lock/koha
00:02 jenkins_koha  Project Koha_master build #382: SUCCESS in 43 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/382/
00:02 jenkins_koha  * julian.maurice: Bug 5098: Add csv headers in overdues
00:02 jenkins_koha  * paul.poulain: bug_4002: issues referential integrity
00:02 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5098 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , overdue script and csv
00:02 jenkins_koha  * Chris Cormack: Bumping database version
00:02 rangi         rebuild_zebra.pl probably maybe sometime in the past
00:03 rangi         sudo chown -R koha:koha zebradb
00:03 bencahill     rangi: actually, yes, it was run (although failed) by the installer
00:03 rangi         then try your rebuild again
00:03 bencahill     rangi: so yes...
00:03 bencahill     ok, sec
00:03 rangi         ahh that must be an arch thing
00:03 bencahill     rangi: just something the pkg creator put in there
00:03 rangi         ah right
00:04 * bencahill   likes things working :-D
00:04 rangi         yeah, probably dont want that, if its gonna mess up permissions :)
00:04 * eythian     tries not to make a jibe about "confusing" ;)
00:04 eythian       but fails
00:04 bencahill     eythian: lol
00:06 bencahill     rangi: those errors are gone, but these are here now:
00:06 bencahill     [warn] Failed to open /var/lib/koha/zebradb/biblios/shadow/reci-i-0.mf [Permission denied]
00:06 bencahill     [fatal] mf_read2 reci-i internal error
00:06 bencahill     [fatal] cf_open failed for reci
00:06 bencahill     [fatal] open reci [Permission denied]
00:06 rangi         another chown needed
00:07 bencahill     rangi: oh right, I didn't notice that it was another dir
00:07 bencahill     d'oh
00:07 bencahill     okay, third time's the charm, right? :-P
00:07 libsysguy     nengard: I am taking off for today...I messed up my commit for that patch (i forgot I had uncommitted files) so I'll attempt to fix tomorrow and get it in
00:09 rangi         hi NateC
00:09 NateC         hiya rangi!
00:10 bencahill     rangi: it appears to have worked! now I just need to set up the cron job?
00:10 rangi         first try a search
00:10 rangi         in koha
00:10 rangi         see if its happy
00:10 bencahill     rangi: opac?
00:10 wahanui       opac is for patrons
00:10 rangi         either is fine
00:10 wahanui       i already had it that way, rangi.
00:10 rangi         and then if its all good, set up the cron job
00:11 rangi         ohh cool
00:11 bencahill     rangi: searching in cataloging, it says No results found, and gives a bunch of 'Biblios in reservoir' ?
00:12 rangi         right, does look like it worked then
00:12 bencahill     rangi: what are biblios in reservoir?
00:12 rangi         zebrasrv is definitely running eh?
00:12 rangi         those are old ones from imports, or z3950 searches
00:12 bencahill     rangi: oh, zebrasrv isn't running...wtf?
00:12 rangi         that'd do it
00:12 bencahill     maybe I didn't start it back up...
00:13 rangi         https://github.com/Moerphy/dizzy.js  <-- think ill try using this for my next presentation
00:14 bencahill     rangi: that's pretty sweet :)
00:16 bencahill     rangi: dumb mistake on my part in the daemon script, all fixed now...and searching works
00:18 rangi         sweet
00:19 bencahill     rangi: do I make cron run the same thing (-r -a -b -d)?
00:19 rangi         nope
00:20 rangi         look at the crontab.example in misc/cronjobs
00:20 bencahill     s/-d/-v/
00:20 bencahill     rangi: oh right...my mind keeps getting messed up here...
00:22 bencahill     rangi: I don't need all of those, right? (e.g. we've disabled holds)
00:26 rangi         nope just choose the ones you want
00:26 bencahill     right...
00:27 eythian       rangi: is that the zoomy text ones?
00:28 eythian       I dislike those
00:28 rangi         you can make it be zoomy text if you want
02:35 jenkins_koha  Starting build 35 for job Koha_3.4.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
03:16 jenkins_koha  Project Koha_3.4.x build #35: SUCCESS in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.4.x/35/
03:16 jenkins_koha  * christophe.croullebois: Bug 6116: Adding a child patron
03:16 jenkins_koha  * brice.sanchez: Bug 5713 :debug calculation when fines are reversed then re-payed
03:16 jenkins_koha  * julian.maurice: Bug 5098: Add csv headers in overdues
03:16 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6116 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, julian.maurice, ASSIGNED , Adding child patron: library not set
03:16 jenkins_koha  * paul.poulain: bug_4002: issues referential integrity
03:16 jenkins_koha  * chris.nighswonger: Updating Version Number to 3.04.03.002
03:16 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5713 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, brice.sanchez, ASSIGNED , Intranet - Circulation - Fines : debug calculation when fines are reversed then re-payed
03:16 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5098 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , overdue script and csv
04:25 kmkale        Namaskar #koha
04:25 eythian       hello.
05:11 cait          good morning #koha
05:12 eythian       hi
05:14 Oak           Guten Morgen cait
05:15 cait          salaam oak
05:15 cait          hi mr robin
05:15 Oak           hello mr robin
05:15 Oak           let's all have cookies
05:15 cait          eythian: how is the weather? still cold?
05:15 Oak           cait
05:15 eythian       cait: yep
05:15 Oak           that's you
05:15 Oak           cookie lady
05:15 cait          cookies for breakfast... mm
05:16 cait          eythian: :(
05:18 eythian       cait: yeah, snowing in parts of the country that it never snows in, that sort of thing.
05:19 cait          are the buses running now?
05:19 eythian       I think most of them are
05:20 eythian       it's not so icy right now.
05:21 cait          ok
05:21 eythian       ferries are shut down due to heavy swells
05:21 eythian       and the power's been blinking a bit again
05:29 cait          it's strange to see how a little bit of snow and ice can cause all that
05:30 cait          only we are used to it of course
05:32 eythian       yeah, it's less of a problem down south where it happens every year or two, but it's every decade or two here.
05:40 rangi         well its coupled with lightning strikes, you dont normally get snow, 112kmph gusts and lightning all at the same time
05:41 rangi         8m the swell was today that woulda been fun
05:42 rangi         hail and 8m swells Hehe
05:43 cait          hi rnagi
05:43 cait          rangi
05:43 rangi         I once was on the ferry in waves like that, it wasn't the waves that got me, it was everyone vomitting :)
05:43 rangi         its contagious
05:43 rangi         heya cait
05:44 cait          uuuh :(
05:44 rangi         very very full buses today
05:46 rangi         terrace tunnel closed
05:46 eythian       yeah. I may not bike home.
05:46 rangi         accident
05:46 eythian       oh good.
05:47 rangi         you pick up lots when u can hear the bus radio
05:49 cait          flipflops--
05:49 rangi         also the girl down the back really hates kelly
05:49 rangi         there ends news from the bus
05:50 cait          morning magnuse
05:50 magnuse       guten morgen cait & #koha
05:50 eythian       rangi: ohh, wait til kelly hears about that. Then it'll be ON!
05:51 magnuse       uh oh
05:52 rangi         Hehe
05:55 rangi         crazy bastards are playing rugby
05:55 rangi         @wunder wellington nz
05:55 huginn        rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 7.0�C (5:00 PM NZST on August 17, 2011). Conditions: Rain Showers. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Windchill: 2.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Rising).
05:56 magnuse       @wunder boo
05:56 huginn        magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 17.0�C (7:20 AM CEST on August 17, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Falling).
05:56 magnuse       it's never too cold for rugby, eh?
05:56 rangi         apparently not
05:56 rangi         netball is worse
05:56 magnuse       netball?
05:56 wahanui       netball is worse
05:57 rangi         they cancel club rugby if its really wet
05:57 rangi         cos it rips up the field
05:57 rangi         netball they play in short skirts in any weather
05:57 eythian       rangi: the last time it froze bad in Dunedin (that is, about 3 weeks ago) they held the nude rugby competition.
05:57 rangi         Hehe
05:58 eythian       that was the weekend the south island was shut down.
05:58 rangi         yep
05:58 magnuse       "Netball is a ball sport played between two teams of seven players. The sport derived from early versions of basketball and is similar to it in many respects. Netball developed as a distinct sport in the 1890s in England, from which it spread to other countries. It is popular in many Commonwealth nations and is predominantly played by women."
05:58 * magnuse     is a little bit wiser
05:59 rangi         heh
05:59 rangi         its the most popular sport for women in nz
06:00 magnuse       hm, and i never heard of it... or perhaps i (would) have mistaken it for basketball....
06:00 rangi         I spent many hours on the sideline at the haitaitai netball courts watching
06:00 rangi         nope, no backboard
06:00 rangi         no dribbling
06:01 eythian       yeah, it looks very different to basketball
06:01 magnuse       "From the start, netball was viewed as an appropriate sport for women to play, with restricted movement that appealed to contemporary notions on women's participation in sports, while remaining distinct from potentially rival male sports."
06:01 rangi         its kinda like handball
06:01 magnuse       ah
06:01 rangi         but with a hoop and more rules :)
06:01 magnuse       probably says something about my interest in sports...
06:02 cait          magnuse: I share your interest in sports ;9
06:02 cait          ;)
06:02 rangi         imagine basketball but you had to freeze when u catch the ball
06:02 rangi         can only pass
06:03 rangi         and have 3 seconds to do so
06:03 * magnuse     tries, but gives up ;-)
06:17 cait          hehe
06:17 huginn        New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6516] koha-create makes assumptions about borrowernumber of staff user <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6516>
06:18 eythian       magnuse: you're making more work for me to test things, eh.
06:19 magnuse       moahaha
06:19 magnuse       i'm definitely trying to! ;-)
06:20 eythian       :)
06:21 alex_a        hello #koha !
06:21 magnuse       bonjour alex_a
06:28 huginn        New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6678] Fix some problems with the standard NORMARC framework <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6678>
06:28 cait          bonjour alex_a
06:29 magnuse       time to go to work! see ya later
06:30 magnuse       kia ora #koha
06:30 magnuse       phew, commuting...
06:36 cait          lol
06:36 reiveune      hello
06:36 magnuse       bonjour reiveune
06:37 reiveune      hi magnuse :)
06:55 julian        hi
06:56 magnuse       jbonjour julian
06:56 julian        hello magnuse
07:13 francharb     hello #koha
07:16 kf            commuting...
07:16 kf            hi #koha
07:20 magnuse       hiya kf
07:20 kf            hi magnuse :)
08:01 * Oak         waves
08:02 magnuse       Oak
08:02 Oak           magnuse
08:02 Oak           how is you?
08:02 magnuse       i'm fine
08:02 Oak           good
08:03 magnuse       trying to make sense of my calendar for september
08:03 magnuse       and yourself?
08:03 Oak           i is fine too :)
08:03 Oak           ah, I don't have a calendar.
08:04 Oak           what do you have in your calendar? meetings birthdays etc?
08:20 magnuse       Oak: too many meetings and other things that involve travel...
08:20 Oak           ah, yes, got it. i don't have meetings.
08:28 rangi         evening
08:28 magnuse       kia ora rangi
08:32 kf            hi rangi
08:32 kf            my coworkers asks about the snow
08:34 rangi         its just ice now
08:34 rangi         snow is gone, (cept on the hills)
08:34 rangi         black ice causing crashes
08:34 magnuse       ice--
08:36 rangi         http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/5456605/Latest-snow-photos-August-17/
08:37 Oak           heya rangi
08:38 Oak           whoa! it looks the same now like in the photo... after so many years. wow.
08:38 Oak           very cool
08:38 kf            ice--
08:39 kf            snow_dalek++
08:41 rangi         http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/5461075/Stuff-Top-10-snow-moments
08:44 rangi         http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/5458927/Snowbound-family-lose-power-for-two-nights  <-- that wouldnt be fun
09:42 slef          hi all
09:42 rangi         hi slef
09:45 magnuse       kia ora slef
09:46 kf            hi slef
10:04 kmkale        Namaste druthb :)
10:04 druthb        o/
10:04 magnuse       \o
10:04 druthb        Namaste, kmkale
10:08 kmkale        Namaste magnuse
10:09 magnuse       namaskar kmkale
10:09 kmkale        :)
10:09 kf            hi kmkale
10:09 kmkale        Namaste kf  :)
10:32 slef          @marc 300 a
10:32 huginn        slef: Extent The number of pages, volumes, cassettes, total playing time, etc., of the described item. (Repeatable)
10:33 kmkale        slef: you had prepared a schedule for kohacon11. Can't find it. Do you have a link?
10:35 slef          kmkale: will be 30mins before I can look. I was working in the OCS admin and describing stuff in #koha if you want to search before I can.
10:36 kmkale        I will search. But pl send whenever you can..
10:52 rangi         magnuse++
10:55 kf            magnuse++
10:56 kf            libriotech++
10:56 kmkale        slef: got it. Thanks..
10:57 slef          wahanui: C4?
10:57 wahanui       slef: no idea
11:03 magnuse       *blushes*
11:03 kf            :)
11:35 druthb        magnuse++ #http://libriotech.no/gratis-koha
11:35 magnuse       :-)
11:39 druthb        How much use do you expect to see on that, magnuse?
11:39 magnuse       i have absolutely no idea!
11:39 magnuse       i have had two beta testers so far
11:39 magnuse       it could 3 or 100...
11:40 * druthb      would *so* do that, if she had the resource to do so.  Maybe.....
11:40 druthb        I like your terms on that, too...very sensible.
11:40 magnuse       thanks, i was a bit worried about them
11:40 magnuse       but i hope i have struck a balance
11:41 druthb        Time will tell, but they look very good, to me.
11:45 magnuse       kia ora jwagner
11:46 jwagner       Hi magnuse!
11:56 magnuse       kia ora NateC
11:57 NateC         kia ora magnuse :D
11:57 NateC         man i miss NZ :(
11:58 magnuse       yeah, me too!
11:59 kf            hi NateC
11:59 jwagner       When I retire, and can spare the time for taking a ship across, I really want to spend a lot of time in NZ and Australia.  But I can't face that flight again....
11:59 kf            I think we all do...
11:59 NateC         Hi kf!
11:59 kf            yes, the flight was loooong.
11:59 NateC         I actually did not mind the flight at all, weird I know...
12:00 magnuse       hm, the memories have faded for me, i think of it as "not too bad"
12:00 magnuse       the flights, that is
12:00 magnuse       and i had ~36 hours each way...
12:00 NateC         ouch
12:00 NateC         thats a lot
12:00 NateC         I think mine was like 22 hours each way
12:01 NateC         but I actually found it better than many flights I take from NY to LA
12:01 magnuse       and i MUST see the south island some time, preferably within the next 10-15 years or so...
12:01 NateC         must have been that NZ hospitality
12:01 magnuse       hehe
12:03 magnuse       AirNZ was really nice, i think
12:07 kf            around 30 from here too
12:08 kf            ie--
12:08 kf            @karma ie
12:08 huginn        kf: Karma for "ie" has been increased 0 times and decreased 21 times for a total karma of -21.
12:08 magnuse       yay
12:41 jwagner       There was a marked difference in service and comfort between the DC-to-LA (American Airlines) and LA-to-Auckland (Qantas) flights.  I wish Qantas and Air New Zealand could do U.S. domestic flights :-(
12:50 Agent_Dani    Morning!
12:55 oleonard      Hi #koha
12:55 Agent_Dani    Hi oleonard
13:05 slef          Aren't Qantas about to offshore a load of their operation to Asia because Australia won't let them cut service down enough?
13:06 jwagner       No idea on that.  I just know the service, attention, and comfort on the Quantas flights were _FAR_ above anything U.S. airlines are offering these days.
13:06 slef          wow, stuff.co.nz doesn't have a non-js search
13:07 slef          http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-08-17/qantas-feeling-political-heat/2844026
13:07 slef          Don't worry jwagner. The US is encouraging the rest of the world to race to the bottom with it.
13:08 oleonard      Isn't that the truth.
13:09 jwagner       It would be nice to think that good airline service still exists somewhere...
13:09 slef          AirNZ is the best I've experienced in over a decade.
13:12 jwagner       I took a puddlejumper from Wellington to Rotorua and was surprised to find that there was actual LEGROOM!  Definitely not something you find on puddlejumpers in the U.S.  Or on big planes, for that matter.
13:38 libsysguy     can anybody tell me what $|=1 does in perl?
13:40 magnuse       something to do with flushing output, i think?
13:40 libsysguy     hmm...i see it all the time in druthb scripts
13:40 libsysguy     but i could never figure out what it did
13:42 magnuse       "If set to nonzero, forces an fflush(3) after every write or print on the currently selected output channel"
13:42 magnuse       ...according to "perl in a nutshell"
13:42 libsysguy     ahh...man i knew i should have gotten a book lol
13:45 magnuse       :-)
13:45 libsysguy     magnuse++
13:47 magnuse       libsysguy: you can also do "perldoc perlvar" and search for AUTOFLUSH
13:48 libsysguy     cool thanks magnuse...i was just doing a search for that expression earlier and I was getting stuff about G+
13:49 magnuse       heh
13:49 magnuse       in perldoc perlvar you can also search for \$\|
13:49 libsysguy     bah forgot to escape the $
13:50 magnuse       hehe
13:50 magnuse       perldoc++
14:02 wizzyrea      i'm sad I missed a discussion of air travel to NZ
14:02 jwagner       Never too late to resurrect it, wizzyrea!
14:02 wizzyrea      :)
14:02 magnuse       what jwagner said!
14:03 wizzyrea      US -> NZ = AirNZ, and simply awesome. NZ -> AUS = AirNZ, also awesome. AUS -> US = Delta...
14:03 wizzyrea      not so awesome.
14:04 oleonard      Is this why wizzyrea? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elD38pJX7iE
14:04 jwagner       Being in a cranky mood I sent a complaint letter to Delta a couple of weeks ago.  They gave me some extra FF miles but didn't explain or apologize what I was complaining about.....
14:05 wizzyrea      hehehe I don't think there were any naked flight attendants on my flight
14:06 magnuse       sounds like something you'd remember...
14:06 Agent_Dani    O.o
14:07 jcamins_away  Naked flight attendants? Why would there be naked flight attendants?
14:07 wizzyrea      click that link up there jcamins_away
14:07 wizzyrea      those aren't clothes they're wearing
14:09 jcamins_away  Wow.
14:09 magnuse       hehe
14:09 wizzyrea      but the real proper answer is "why aren't there naked flight attendants"
14:11 jcamins_away  Shari had already seen that, but I hadn't. I hope the makeup people got a bonus for that ad.
14:13 oleonard      For some, working on that ad /was/ the bonus!
14:13 wizzyrea      ooh la la
14:13 jcamins_away  Heh.
14:14 jcamins_away  Apparently the concept of NIMBY (Not In My Back Yard) has been replaced by BANANA (Build Absolutely Nothing Anywhere Near Anything).
14:14 jwagner       I dunno.  I'm always freezing cold on airplanes, and I imagine naked flight attendants would be too...
14:20 wizzyrea      jcamins_away: is there context there that I'm missing?
14:20 * Agent_Dani  watches that ad and thinks of the Right Said Fred video.
14:22 jcamins_away  wizzyrea: no, there isn't, I just like the acronym "BANANA." :)
14:22 wizzyrea      certainly it's germane considering the ad we're talking about.
14:39 tcohen        has anyone experienced problems installing translations on fresh 3.4.3?
14:40 tcohen        I get:
14:40 tcohen        Malformed UTF-8 character (fatal) at /usr/lib/perl5/XML/LibXML/Error.pm line 217.
14:40 tcohen        BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at LangInstaller.pm line 23.
14:40 tcohen        Compilation failed in require at translate line 25.
14:40 tcohen        BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at translate line 25.
14:41 tcohen        (running PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha_xxx/lib/ perl translate install es-ES BTW)
14:43 jcamins_away  tcohen: corrupted po file.
14:43 jcamins_away  tcohen: I had that error at some point.
14:44 jcamins_away  The problem had something to do with a non-ascii character preceding "%s" IIRC.
14:44 tcohen        jcamins_away: maybe, just got the po files from translate.koha...
14:44 tcohen        is there a way to test po files?
14:45 jcamins_away  And you checked that the right XML parser is in use, correct?
14:45 jcamins_away  tcohen: I'm not sure. I don't actually know anything about translations.
14:46 tcohen        mmm, I get the same error with every language I test
14:47 tcohen        will delete everything and reinstall
14:47 wizzyrea      chekc your xml parser before you do that?
14:47 wizzyrea      sec and I'll find the instructions
14:47 tcohen        I changed the parser AFTER installing
14:47 tcohen        perhaps the installer did weird things
14:47 tcohen        using a bad parser
14:48 wizzyrea      that shouldn't matter, as long as it's the right one. keyword *shouldn't*
14:49 tcohen        wizzyrea, if the install procedure used the bad one, maybe weird things happened, *maybe*
14:50 tcohen        he
14:50 wizzyrea      maybe
14:52 tcohen        perl translate install fr-FR
14:52 tcohen        Malformed UTF-8 character (fatal) at /usr/lib/perl5/XML/LibXML/Error.pm line 217.
14:52 tcohen        damn
15:05 tcohen        ok, can't reproduce anymore
15:06 tcohen        it looks like perl Makefile.PL using a bad parser Expat here
15:06 tcohen        produced the problem
15:06 tcohen        its weird that make clean didn't clean it
15:14 reiveune      bye
15:23 slef          tcohen: can't reproduce anymore? fertility problems?
15:25 kf            hmpf
15:25 kf            ie--
15:25 kf            breadcrumbs--
15:29 rhcl          what's going on down there? I didn't think NZ ever got snow. http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Global-News/2011/0817/Snow-in-New-Zealand-Pleading-for-end-to-epic-wintery-blast
15:29 rhcl          Next thing you know it'll start snowing in England
15:37 huginn        New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6269] can't undefine a printer profile <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6269>
16:11 tcohen        slef: :-D
16:12 tcohen        slef: have you managed to test that memcached patch?
16:13 tcohen        i've just posted a new one, without the 'memcached stuff' comment
16:13 slef          tcohen: briefly. It seemed to work but I got interrupted
16:13 slef          tcohen: any suggestion what it might break?
16:14 tcohen        as it is related to have access to koha-conf.xml stuff
16:14 tcohen        almost nothing should work
16:14 tcohen        if anything went wrong
16:15 tcohen        maybe you could make some change in koha-conf.xml and test if it is actually using memcached
16:22 libsysguy     so I have a print slip question
16:23 libsysguy     when i print a slip it prints a whole giant page of whitespace after the bits of information
16:23 libsysguy     is there anyway to adjust that or has anybody even run across it before
16:23 rhcl          oh yes. well, you're talkiing about receipts, right?
16:23 libsysguy     yes
16:24 rhcl          OK, well, assuming there isn't the whitespace being introduced (via \n or whatever) in some custom scripting you might have done....
16:25 rhcl          most of the whitespace is controlled in the application (browser) itself.
16:49 libsysguy     rhcl++
16:49 rhcl          BTW, I have this nascent project to get receipt printers working perfectly w/ Linux. I'm on this drive to get all our staff computers to free operating systems (i.e. Linux) as much as I can.
16:50 rhcl          I've gotten Mint worked into several of our staff positions...but receipt printers are a problem and I need to sit down and work on the problems
16:51 libsysguy     printer and *nix are sometimes quite an animal
16:53 huginn        New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6744] Acknowledge the actual es-ES translators <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6744>
16:54 rhcl          well, I wouldn't think so. Back in the good old days when unix was invented everything was a line printer...which is essentially what a receipt printer is. I'd expect them to work easy as cake with Linux
16:54 wizzyrea      libsysguy: I bet you need to look at http://www.nexpresslibrary.org/go-live/configure-your-receipt-printers/
16:55 wizzyrea      nothing on star, but lots on configuring firefox
16:56 wizzyrea      libsysguy: specifically
16:56 wizzyrea      http://pastebin.com/0au87kpB
16:56 wizzyrea      this will help you not get super long receipts
16:56 libsysguy     w00t for all the printer help :)
16:56 libsysguy     you guys are the best
16:56 * libsysguy   has had a stressful week :'(
16:56 wizzyrea      we've done it, no reason for you to suffer :)
16:56 wizzyrea      boo
16:57 libsysguy     yeah in the process of testing the hourly branch we found out it broke dropbox returns  :'(
16:57 wizzyrea      i remember :(
16:57 rhcl          wizzy has good, clear instructions
16:57 rhcl          on her site
16:57 wizzyrea      that same info is in the manual, I believe
16:58 rhcl          well, there you go. read the directions like I don't
16:58 wizzyrea      "i get long receipts" probably ought to be a faq
16:58 libsysguy     im in the same boat as rchl
16:58 libsysguy     ok lunch time...bbl
16:59 rhcl          no kidding. did you ever get the continuous, totally non-ending form feed that would completely run out the roll? we did, lots
17:06 wizzyrea      ooh, no, I've never run into that one
17:16 cait          hi all
17:39 nengard       hello all, i have a runtime parameter question - when I was writing up the manual someone told me that item types was one of the authorized values that genereated a pull down - but when I did <<Item|itemtype>> or <<Item|itype>> I got a blank pull down ... anyone know if this works or if i'm doing something wrong?
17:40 cait          I think it should work
17:40 cait          and it sounds familiar
17:40 cait          ...
17:43 cait          I thought I had a bug for that
18:21 nengard       sorry cait i got distracted
18:21 nengard       so you think it's a bug?
18:21 cait          I didn't find a bug
18:22 cait          but I think I had the problem before
18:22 nengard       okay, i'll report it then
18:22 cait          and itemtype should work according to the description
18:22 cait          http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commit;h=7d8b369ba4066d485e5aa7739b1b073f0db80b45
18:23 cait          even authorised values should?
18:23 nengard       thanks cait bug 6746  reported
18:23 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6746 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , item type run time parameter not working
18:23 nengard       cait i got authorized values to work
18:23 nengard       at least the few i tried
18:23 cait          ah cool :)
18:23 nengard       time to hit the road
18:23 cait          :)
18:24 nengard       off to LA to learn Moodle :)
18:24 nengard       ttyl
18:24 nengard       thanks!!
18:24 cait          saw your acq bugs
18:24 cait          and thx for asking the qestion on the list :)
18:24 nengard       yeah - we did acq training today and yesterday :)
18:24 cait          perhaps we can talk about it sometime
18:24 nengard       yes!
18:24 cait          I tried sorting through the bugs ...
18:24 nengard       got me lots of free time at home in Sept :) hehe
18:24 cait          22nd is feature freeze
18:24 wizzyrea      <<Pick your Item Type|itemtypes>>
18:24 cait          so soon
18:24 wizzyrea      works
18:24 cait          and now she is gone :)
18:24 cait          itemtypes? ah
18:24 cait          plural
18:25 cait          hi liz :)
18:25 wizzyrea      @later tell nengard <<Pick your Item Type|itemtypes>>
18:25 huginn        wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
18:25 wizzyrea      hiya
18:34 libsysguy_afk man I have hit more Koha errors this week than I ever thought possible
18:36 cait          there are times like this
18:36 cait          some days you think everything is going to fall apart
18:36 cait          but there are lots of other days too :)
18:37 libsysguy_afk yeah well A lot of it is being caused by hourly loans i think
18:43 libsysguy     so when i try and place a hold on an item I get a message saying none of the items can be placed on hold because no items are available
18:43 libsysguy     but i get that they are available in search results
18:46 cait          hm
18:47 cait          you also get that I think when you have no defaultdefaultdefault rule
18:47 cait          have you tried that?
18:47 cait          also maxreserves in conditions needs to be a high value
18:47 cait          not null or empty
18:48 libsysguy     so all of those are sysprefs?
18:50 libsysguy     cait I'm not sure what defaultdefaultdefault rule is?
18:50 cait          in the conditions
18:51 cait          add a loan rule for default library default itemtype and default categorytype
18:51 jwagner       In the circ rules
18:51 cait          and the reserves in the circ rules - not null or empty
18:52 cait          and if there is still a system preference, maxreserves, check that too
18:55 libsysguy     hmm i still get that error
18:55 libsysguy     so i set a default rule for all libraries to allow holds on tyle BOOK
18:55 libsysguy     and it is a book that i am trying to place a hold on
18:56 cait          no
18:56 cait          make a default defalut default rule
18:56 cait          even if you overwrite it by something else
18:56 libsysguy     oh ok
18:56 cait          it's the trick :)
18:57 * libsysguy   wishes his boss was here
18:57 libsysguy     she usually handles the circ rules
19:03 cait          so didn't work?
19:03 cait          it's really not that hard ;)
19:04 cait          you can do it
19:17 libsysguy     cait++
19:34 rangi         morning
19:35 cait          mornign rangi
19:35 wizzyrea      libsysguy: do you have in your sysprefs a setting for max allowed holds?
19:35 wizzyrea      i vaguely remember this problem
19:36 libsysguy     yes I do...cait got it working for me
19:37 libsysguy     i didn't have my all all all value set
19:37 wizzyrea      cool
19:37 wizzyrea      yes, that's the other thing
19:37 wizzyrea      sorry I didn't read every single line ^.^ I'm glad you got it working
19:37 libsysguy     me dos :)
19:38 cait          was by pm
19:38 wizzyrea      AHA
19:43 rangi         @wunder wellington nz
19:43 huginn        rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 8.0�C (7:00 AM NZST on August 18, 2011). Conditions: Rain Showers. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Rising).
19:43 rangi         back to normal
19:43 cait          yay!
19:43 wizzyrea      phew
19:50 huginn        New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6743] displayFacetCount not working <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6743>
19:53 * oleonard    is happy to have a little something to tinker with.
19:54 cait          little somethings are good
19:54 cait          hi oleonard
19:55 rangi         :)
19:56 wizzyrea      woot oleonard is here (again)
19:57 * cait        shares cookies with her friends
19:57 rangi         my stop bbiab
20:06 cait          hi magnuse
20:07 magnuse       guten abend cait und #koha
20:08 tcohen        bye #koha
20:10 feliznavidad  hi guys! i'm trying to install koha 3.4 on a ubuntu lucid, and succeed until "make test" fails with the following error(s): http://pastebin.com/nTw37MRX
20:12 tcohen        sudo aptitude install libbusiness-isbn-perl
20:12 huginn        New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6728] Table sorter for receiving acquisitions <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6728>
20:13 tcohen        feliznavidad: sudo aptitude install libbusiness-isbn-perl
20:14 feliznavidad  works, thank you very much!
20:14 feliznavidad  :)
20:17 magnuse       tcohen++
20:17 magnuse       that was beautiful...
20:27 cait          good night all! :)
20:28 magnuse       g'night cait
20:34 * oleonard    too
20:39 rangi         back
20:39 rangi         now with my workstation on a ups
20:40 rhcl          is it snowing at all down there-saw a report saying there was "lots" of snow?
20:42 rangi         not today
20:42 rangi         but yes
20:42 rangi         we got snow to sea level, which never happens
20:42 rangi         in the north island
20:47 rangi         wanna see photos?
20:48 rangi         http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/5461075/Stuff-Top-10-snow-moments
20:50 rhcl          I was thinking it didn't snow so much down there
20:50 ibeardslee    it doesn't
20:50 rangi         once every 50 years
20:51 rhcl          re: images...some fair snow sculpting there
20:52 rhcl          Is there a maori word for snow? As I recall, there isn't a proper word for snow in Thai, but in the far north some of the hill tribes do have a word for it, though most of them have never seen snow in their lifetimes
20:53 rangi         oh theres snow in the south island and on the mountains in the north
20:53 rangi         every year
20:53 rangi         just not to sea level in the north
20:53 rhcl          ic
20:53 wizzyrea      lol a snow dalek
20:53 wizzyrea      ping gmcharlt, they're building snow daleks in christchurch.
20:54 wizzyrea      oh and snow yoda.
20:54 wizzyrea      cute
20:55 magnuse       yay
20:55 magnuse       rangi: so what's the maori word for snow?
20:56 magnuse       and is there just one?
20:57 rangi         huka
20:57 rangi         thats the only one i know
20:59 magnuse       hehe: https://twitter.com/#!/stephenfry/status/103901969386717184
20:59 magnuse       thanks, rangi!
21:00 magnuse       does that mean huka falls are the snow falls?
21:03 rangi         technically yup ;)
21:03 magnuse       nice
21:04 rangi         http://blog.shadypixel.com/monitoring-a-ups-with-nut-on-debian-or-ubuntu-linux/
21:04 rangi         thats what im learning this morning
21:04 Brooke        kia ora
21:05 bg            @wunder 93109
21:05 huginn        bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 24.4�C (2:04 PM PDT on August 17, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 18.0�C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012.1 hPa (Falling).
21:06 Brooke        you taunter, you
21:17 rangi         yo, koha peeps
21:17 rangi         i have a favour to ask
21:17 magnuse       ask, don't ask to ask! ;-)
21:17 wizzyrea      HA
21:17 Brooke        hehe
21:17 wizzyrea      magnuse++
21:17 Brooke        we owe ye
21:17 Brooke        now what?
21:18 wizzyrea      lulz
21:18 rangi         that was it
21:18 rangi         you have to guess and do it
21:18 Brooke        I could kidnap Ata for a day, but you wouldn't appreciate the resulting sugar high :P
21:18 rangi         bug 6723
21:18 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6723 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, wvanwanrooij, ASSIGNED , allow framework import with CRLF
21:18 rangi         can i get one or 2 more sign offs on it
21:18 rangi         id love to push it
21:19 rangi         but it only has my signoff
21:19 rangi         and ian and paul are away
21:19 rangi         it would be committer 150!
21:19 wizzyrea      oh I wonder if that's why nicole's thing was failing yesterday?
21:19 rangi         not sure
21:19 wizzyrea      i bet so
21:20 wizzyrea      you have a test file for that?
21:21 rangi         not handy
21:21 rangi         but all that needs to be tested, is with it applied
21:21 rangi         can you still import a framework
21:21 wizzyrea      k
21:21 * magnuse     better catch some sleep - see y'all soon!
21:21 wizzyrea      i'm gonna run over to my windows box
21:21 wizzyrea      my... ha
21:21 wizzyrea      that's amusing.
21:22 rangi         hehe
21:22 wizzyrea      it's one of the abominations in the lab
21:34 wizzyrea      hmm
21:34 Brooke        what?
21:34 wizzyrea      I exported a framework on windows, edited it
21:35 wizzyrea      then tried to reimport it
21:35 wizzyrea      and supposedly with this patch it's supposed to work?
21:35 wizzyrea      but it doesn't seem to
21:35 Brooke        hmph
21:36 wizzyrea      hmph indeed
21:37 rangi         hmmm
21:37 wizzyrea      un mo
21:38 wizzyrea      it may have to do with office
21:38 rangi         to test i just added some \r and made sure they were stripped
21:38 Brooke        WordPad ftw
21:38 Brooke        office puts gobbledygook into things
21:39 wizzyrea      let me send you this file I'm trying with
21:40 wizzyrea      this is the error
21:40 wizzyrea      http://screencast.com/t/T7riHUzzAb7q
21:40 rangi         hmm yeah
21:40 rangi         that patch should have no effect on that
21:41 rangi         all it does is change 2 chomps
21:41 wizzyrea      let me see if I can export/import from this computer here, instead of windows
21:42 wizzyrea      aand it works on my mac
21:42 wizzyrea      interesting
21:42 wahanui       interesting is sometimes bad or sometimes good
21:43 wizzyrea      soo...
21:43 wizzyrea      hm
21:43 rangi         did you try exportint and importing on windows with no edits, and then open it in word pard
21:43 rangi         pad and save it, and try again
21:43 wizzyrea      k i will try that
21:43 wizzyrea      1s
21:45 wizzyrea      i'm doing this through logmein
21:47 wizzyrea      interesting
21:47 wahanui       interesting is sometimes bad or sometimes good
21:47 wizzyrea      can you do this rangi - export a framework, edit it (any way), then reimport
21:48 wizzyrea      what I edited
21:48 wizzyrea      was a 'mandatory' setting
21:48 wizzyrea      maybe the one I'm setting as mandatory can't be changed?
21:48 wizzyrea      can't/shouldn't
21:48 * wizzyrea    tries editing something else.
21:49 wizzyrea      no, that's not it
21:49 wizzyrea      this might be something else
21:50 wizzyrea      a different problem
21:50 wizzyrea      unrelated to the patch at hand.
21:50 wizzyrea      let me roll it back and see if it's still the same ( I bet it is)
21:50 rangi         yeah i think so
21:51 wizzyrea      yea it does it without the patch too
21:51 wizzyrea      this must be the thing nicole came up against
21:54 libsysguy     rangi did you see that other bug in hourly?
21:55 wizzyrea      6727 is the bug
21:55 wizzyrea      bug 6727
21:55 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6727 critical, P5, ---, gmcharlt, REOPENED , can't import frameworks
21:55 rangi         libsysguy: yeah ill try to get time to look today
21:56 libsysguy     awesome thanks rangi...there was something else i spotted today that i went ahead and fixed (a bracketing error)
21:56 libsysguy     i guess i can commit just that file
21:56 rangi         yup
21:56 libsysguy     just not sure how to merge it into that branch
21:56 libsysguy     is that just something you can do without submitting a patch?
21:56 rangi         i can, but you cant
21:57 libsysguy     hehe the power of the admin is at work here
21:57 rangi         just attach a patch to the bug, ill apply it
21:57 libsysguy     ok cool
21:59 wizzyrea      humbug have to go. bbl possibly
22:14 rangi         cya later
22:38 mtj           rangi: i have a happy ups chatting to apcupsd on debian
22:39 mtj           http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/apcupsd
22:40 mtj           ooh, it looks like it got its 1st 'incident' during the recent snow-storm
22:41 mtj           http://munin.kohaaloha.com/kohaaloha.com/fugu.kohaaloha.com-apc.html
22:47 libsysguy     anybody know how i can edit receipts?
22:47 libsysguy     it looks like it is moremember-receipt.tml
22:48 libsysguy     tmpl*
22:48 libsysguy     but i can't seem to find that file
22:49 rhcl          you want to edit the file, or add fields and info to the receipt?
22:49 libsysguy     add/remove
22:49 rhcl          that's done through the staff interface
22:49 libsysguy     is it s syspref?
22:50 bg            rhcl: I don't think so - not yet
22:50 rhcl          hang on, maybe I'm lying
22:51 libsysguy     i mean...that'd be super nice if it was
22:51 bg            I believe that's a development that we are/were trying to get funded
22:51 bg            yes libsysguy you need to edit the templates
22:51 libsysguy     aww rhcl got my hopes up
22:52 rhcl          OK, some info is apparently drawn from from administration - libraries and groups, but other than that bg is right
22:52 bg            one way to do it so you can upgrade easily is to create another theme instead of prod
22:52 libsysguy     ok so where is that template file
22:53 rhcl          you know, we were talking about funding work on that too....customizable receipts
22:53 libsysguy     yeah I should have done that from the start
22:53 bg            it's a not so small project…  so we needed a few libraries to join
22:53 rhcl          I think it turned out to be more expensive than what we thought, so have it on hold
22:54 rhcl          but yea, if we could get some other input we'd be willing to help fund
22:54 bg            the idea would be that you could edit receipts like you could edit notices
22:54 bg            great rhcl I'll let meliameggs know
22:54 rhcl          even that is a little rudimentary
22:54 rhcl          I think sekjal has this in his notes somewhere
22:55 rhcl          We talked about it with him some
22:55 bg            yup I'm sure he does…  meliameggs is going to be helping sekjal out
22:56 rhcl          sekjal always seems like he's busy w/ stuff...
22:56 libsysguy     i think it is because he is lol
22:57 bg            yup so we've got someone to help him out now
22:57 bg            meliameggs started last week and she's awesome
22:57 meliameggs    :)
22:57 rhcl          wizzy I _think_ was interested in receipts too...maybe we should get her online and we can talk about that effort
22:59 bg            yup that sounds about right - and maybe nora too
22:59 * bg          has always wondered why nora doesn't hang out here during the day
23:00 bg            I think I need to prod here
23:00 bg            her
23:00 bg            whoops
23:00 bg            ;)
23:04 rhcl          I need to go check on a program thats starting right now...ltr
23:19 libsysguy     bg do you know where the perldoc for koha is online?
23:20 rangi         http://perldoc.koha-community.org/
23:20 libsysguy     sweet thanks :)
23:20 jenkins_koha  Starting build 383 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
23:22 rangi         libsysguy: that strftimei is a typo
23:22 rangi         should be strftime
23:22 huginn        New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6744 - Acknowledge the actual es-ES translators <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=bc5aa5281d4bc29c8398d3411db4b03e1601ad4f>
23:22 rangi         fixing and pushing
23:23 libsysguy     yeah that is what the bracket thing was too
23:23 libsysguy     it was just missing an (
23:23 rangi         pushed
23:24 libsysguy     applied
23:24 libsysguy     i wish i had a test book to see if it worked...maybe i can go upstairs in the dark and find one lol
23:28 libsysguy     sweet looked like it worked...or at least didn't give me an error this time