Time Nick Message
00:00 * Brooke nods.
00:00 rangi actually most of that is us dumping the records
00:00 rangi that takes way more time than the actual index
00:00 libsysguy haha
00:01 rangi its writing them all out to a file to be indexed, i think is about 80% of the time
00:01 libsysguy oh is that what the biblio dump is doing
00:01 libsysguy gotcha
00:02 libsysguy then when the zebraidx bit kicks in that the actual index
00:02 rangi yep
00:02 eythian I wonder if there's some magic we could do to make that faster, e.g. use two threads, one dumping, one indexing.
00:03 tcohen rangi, I played with a 1.5M registers database and zebra was a bit slow :-P
00:03 rangi ive never had zebra be slow
00:03 rangi even with a 15 mill load
00:03 libsysguy wow
00:03 tcohen i meant the indexing
00:03 libsysguy that is a huge load
00:03 rangi yep, that too
00:03 rangi dumping the files takes way way way longer than it
00:03 tcohen marcxml?
00:03 wahanui well, marcxml is a representation of the usmarc in xml
00:04 rangi it took about 1 hour for the zebraidx to run
00:04 rangi mind you, it was on a grunty box
00:05 chrisdothall afternoon koha :)
00:05 rangi eythian: yeah, i think for an incremental we could, the full rebuild tho, it cant start indexing until everything is dumped
00:05 rangi i wonder if we could have a few threads dumping
00:06 rangi i wonder if its I/O bound, or the xml parsing thats slow when writing
00:06 rangi i know when zebraidix is running, its IO
00:06 rangi so fast disk helps a lot
00:06 eythian well, it could do one batch of 1000, merge that in, while that's happening, dump the next 1,000, etc.
00:07 libsysguy mmm SAN
00:07 eythian assuming a full index will let us merge like that
00:07 rangi it should
00:07 eythian and it won't slow the whole process down
00:07 rangi just the first batch would do the reset
00:07 eythian ah yeah
00:07 libsysguy are you guys running Koha off a VM or an actual server?
00:07 rangi so you'd get partial results
00:07 eythian both, but mostly vms.
00:07 eythian well, I mean merge into a temp area
00:08 eythian like it does when it's doing it normally, and then copies it over (or whatever it is)
00:08 rangi yep it doest that with the shadow
00:08 rangi but it still has resets the whole thing first
00:08 rangi or maybe it doesnt
00:08 rangi i cant remember
00:08 tcohen maybe a full reindex in a new dir?
00:08 eythian yeah, that's what I'm thinking
00:09 eythian but I'd have to understand more about how it works than I do
00:09 tcohen you should stop any zebraqueue daemon/cronjob I think
00:09 eythian yeah, I've been meaning to put some locking into the package implementations, as doing a rebuild after an import kills any performance
00:10 eythian (when you have cron jobs spinning up too)
00:10 libsysguy ^^
00:10 tcohen zebraqueue cronjob will try to update the indexes
00:10 libsysguy learned my lesson the hard way on that one
00:10 tcohen as you do a dump then reindex, you'd like to have all those
00:11 tcohen new zebraqueue table rows marked done=0
00:12 eythian yeah, I've forgotten to turn that off sometimes, came back and it was crawling and had 5 zebra things running at once.
00:13 tcohen the path zebraidx -c /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml will use for the databases
00:13 libsysguy kill -9 kill -9
00:13 tcohen is defined in /etc/koha/zebradb/zebra-*.cfg
00:13 eythian http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fow7iUaKrq4 <-- libsysguy
00:13 tcohen you might have a copy of the config files with another paths defined
00:14 libsysguy omg yes i;ve see that
00:14 libsysguy and its awesome
00:14 eythian I think locking would be better, there's no point having two running at the same time anyway
00:16 rangi I used to respect this guy till I found out he uses emacs. Everyone knows vim is for the true OGs.
00:16 tcohen I thought clearing the indexes before indexing was a problem
00:16 * libsysguy uses emacs...what are you getting at rangi...
00:16 rangi actually i do too
00:16 rangi just thought it was a good comment ;)
00:16 libsysguy that is basically a holy war
00:17 eythian no, it's that you have a database full of done=0, and a bunch of processes decide it's their job to fix it.
00:17 eythian $ ps ax|grep [v]im
00:17 eythian 8979 pts/0 Sl+ 24:31 vim
00:17 eythian 17948 pts/3 Sl+ 0:06 vim august-2011.tks
00:17 eythian 28646 pts/11 Sl+ 0:34 vim en/modules/members/moremember.tt en-NZ/modules/members/moremember.tt
00:17 eythian ^-- that's how you do it :)
00:17 eythian and wow, that first vim process has had a lot of use.
00:18 rangi heh
00:18 tcohen monfils rocks right now
00:18 libsysguy ok so riddle me this...my webserver is up and serving...but i cant get to the outside world
00:19 rangi https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/08/british-prime-minister-does-180-internet
00:19 eythian you can't get to the outside world from the server?
00:19 tcohen netstat -atnp | grep apachee
00:19 libsysguy yeah...something is weird
00:20 eythian depends how it's set up, either a firewall, or it doesn't have a bridge or NAT interface to let it get beyond itself
00:20 libsysguy listening on 80 and 8080
00:20 eythian often in virtualbox I have two network interfaces, one is a virtual LAN on the host machine and one is NAT to let it connect externally.
00:20 libsysguy can you guys see http://catalog.uttyler.edu/
00:20 eythian But you'd want a bridge if you want it to be reachable from outside most likely
00:21 tcohen yes
00:21 eythian yep
00:21 libsysguy and it looks...not broken lol
00:21 eythian ironically, the accessibility link is a javascript link that doesn't work
00:21 libsysguy well i guess you know how i feel about that
00:23 tcohen eythian, what I recommended was an option for reindexing while still serving some searches
00:23 tcohen got to leave, good night!
00:24 eythian > By 1775, killings were so unremarkable at cricket matches that one William Waterfall was given a lighter sentence for cricket-related manslaughter than sheep thieves and bigamists convicted during the same week.
00:25 libsysguy yes
00:25 libsysguy oops
00:25 libsysguy wrong window
00:25 eythian .com
00:29 libsysguy ok so when i try and pull the 5549 branch i get this error: fatal: git checkout: updating paths is incompatible with switching branches.
00:29 libsysguy i didn't get that last time i checked it out
00:29 rangi you dont have some uncommitted changes lying around?
00:30 libsysguy nope just pulled from master
00:30 libsysguy wait...i did move over my prog directory
00:30 rangi that;d do it
00:30 libsysguy boo
00:30 libsysguy can i just stash?
00:30 eythian yeah
00:30 rangi yup
00:30 libsysguy hmm it said there was nothing to save
00:34 libsysguy but it let me checkout master again in a new branch
00:59 libsysguy could somebody lend me a hand and see if they can checkout the bug 5549 branch?
00:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED , Hourly Loans
00:59 libsysguy it shows up when i do git remote show origin
00:59 libsysguy but won't let me check it out
01:13 rangi whats it say?
01:13 libsysguy fatal: git checkout: updating paths is incompatible with switching branches.
01:13 wahanui i already had it that way, libsysguy.
01:13 libsysguy Did you intend to checkout 'new/awaiting_qa/bug_5549' which can not be resolved as commit?
01:14 rangi right try
01:14 rangi origin/new/awaiting_qa/bug_5549
01:14 rangi id do something like this
01:14 rangi git checkout -b my_5549 origin/new/awaiting_qa/bug_5549
01:14 libsysguy that whole time
01:15 libsysguy all i needed was the word origin
01:15 rangi heh
01:15 libsysguy rangi++
01:24 libsysguy rangi, for hourly loans i installed the libdatetime-set-perl package but im still getting an error saying it can't find DateParse.pm
01:24 libsysguy is there something im forgetting
01:27 rangi yeah i think you need 2
01:28 libsysguy is it this one libreadonly-perl
01:28 rangi DateTime::Format::DateParse
01:28 rangi libdatetime-format-dateparse-perl
01:28 rangi probably
01:28 rangi DateTime::Set (libdatetime-set-perl)
01:28 rangi theres a pattern in how debian names them
01:29 libsysguy yeah that was it...ill add that to the ticket
01:29 rangi cool thanks
01:34 rangi http://grooveshark.com/#/playlist/Friday+Morning+Wake+Up/57239977 <-- for tomorrow
01:34 rangi (seeings you are working late(ish))
01:35 libsysguy im going to need it...probably need something for saturday too since I am working all day migrating our stuff :)
01:35 rangi ahh fun fun fun
01:35 rangi ill be at a 4year old birthday party
01:36 libsysguy at least you get cake...all ill get are complaints lol
01:36 rangi hehe
01:39 libsysguy alright...got the index rebuild started and im tracking the hourly branch again...thanks for all your help guys, especially rangi
01:39 rangi no problem
01:39 libsysguy have a good night
01:39 * libsysguy out
01:51 jenkins_koha Starting build 373 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
01:55 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6373 : Corrects a validation problem on addbiblio.pl on IE8 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=57da5e68f77c43ea11893e7ffda78b797b3f0ede> / Bug 6369 Correct a formatting problem in the pdf generation of basketgroup.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=552cde08db9e237de631af7e3acc774154b265a2> / Fix for Bug 6346 - Patron search results should be valigned top <ht
02:19 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: bug 6701 - change timeout to say milliseconds <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=be38a33f5b5a214ebcde528e45bd66c653fc36c5> / Bug 6468 - Authorities browsing error in OPAC <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=da7bcbd4e6e0a519a4edca3aef536d24df56c1be> / Bug 6461 - BiblioDefaultView has no impact on how record are displayed when going... <http://git.koha-community.org/g
02:34 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #373: SUCCESS in 43 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/373/
02:34 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6346 - Patron search results should be valigned top
02:34 jenkins_koha * frederick.capovilla: Bug 6369 Correct a formatting problem in the pdf generation of basketgroup.pl
02:34 jenkins_koha * frederick.capovilla: Bug 6373 : Corrects a validation problem on addbiblio.pl on IE8
02:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6346 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Patron search results should be valigned top
02:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6369 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, fcapovilla, NEW , Formatting problems on some items when printing an order form (PDF).
02:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6373 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , The mandatory fields validation popup doesn't appear in IE8
02:34 jenkins_koha Starting build 374 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
03:17 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #374: SUCCESS in 42 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/374/
03:17 jenkins_koha * srdjan: bug_6410: correct borrowernumber template var name
03:17 jenkins_koha * januszop: Bug 6461 - BiblioDefaultView has no impact on how record are displayed when going from results list
03:17 jenkins_koha * januszop: Bug 6468 - Authorities browsing error in OPAC
03:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6461 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, januszop, ASSIGNED , BiblioDefaultView has no impact on how record are displayed when going from results list
03:17 jenkins_koha * nengard: bug 6701 - change timeout to say milliseconds
03:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6468 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, januszop, ASSIGNED , Authorities browsing error in OPAC
03:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6701 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED , language on timeout system preference is wrong
03:17 rangi hiya Barb :)
03:18 * rangi is chris, who has been emailing with you
03:20 Barb Hi, nice to meet you here! Could you get some other ideas....from your community?
03:21 rangi yes, kristina had a few ideas, where do your interests lie?
03:23 rangi im just asking her if she can hop online too
03:23 rangi there she is ;)
03:23 rangi anitsirk: i forgot the good idea you had for Barb
03:23 anitsirk :-) hello
03:24 anitsirk ah right.
03:24 Barb Hi, nice to meet you kristina!
03:24 anitsirk hi barb. :-)
03:24 anitsirk alright: range forwarded us in the office your email. fantastic that you want to do something with koha.
03:25 anitsirk do you plan to continue with the work you start in your master's thesis?
03:27 Barb I would like to publish the project report as an article..
03:29 anitsirk Ok. i was thinking then instead of us giving you a task that may not suit your interests, why don't you pick a topic?
03:29 anitsirk from your email we cannot easily judge what your areas of interest in info management are. thus we could suggest topics to you that may make you run away ;-)
03:29 anitsirk and of course, we don't want that.
03:31 anitsirk so, could you tell us a little bit more what you are interested in, what you maybe also want to specialize in in your master's, whether you'd be interested in looking at code and enhancing features or whether you would prefer to work on the front end investigating usability, researching workflows and making improvement suggestions etc.
03:31 Barb I am interested in doing some evaluation of usuage of open resources in Germany. I am also intersted in record management and information literacy...
03:32 anitsirk so very much around the use of the software?
03:33 Barb I am library focused...
03:33 anitsirk for information literacy, i can't think of a good intersection with koha as you would be looking at the users and how they deal with information / technology etc.
03:33 anitsirk record management sounds more like that it can be koha-focused
03:34 anitsirk have you already worked with koha or seen it live?
03:34 rangi katrin from germany who works on koha there, will be on later, when she wakes up
03:34 anitsirk and: what do you mean by record management?
03:35 rangi she might have some ideas too
03:36 rangi she is a librarian too (and a developer)
03:37 anitsirk katrin will be a good bet as she knows the german library landscape. :-) i only remember what i saw as a user
03:44 Barb Basically, I am interested in front service, means usuage of the koha application. I had a look at the demoversion, but not the real version. I think it would be good to know about libraries that use koha. I also red that the application of koha in Germany is limited, are you interested in such evaluation about the reasons? I did a brief literature review of the last 2 years and there are some publication about koha or where koha had been compared
03:47 rangi yeah there are a quite a lot now
03:47 rangi but all behind pay wall
03:47 rangi s
03:47 rangi i think talk to katrin, because she was sayng a german student was just finishing such a report
03:48 rangi so, id hate you to double up
03:48 rangi Barb: i will check with katrin that its ok, and then send you her email address
03:48 rangi others will probably read the log of this chat, and come up with good ideas too
03:54 Barb OK.
03:58 Barb Could I get access to the application that you were talking about in your email, that needs to get checked?
03:58 rangi demo.mykoha.co.nz
03:59 rangi is a good place to start
03:59 rangi it gives you access to both the opac, and the staff client
04:01 Barb ok, thanks
04:02 rangi also, if you wanted to you could mail the koha mailing lists, and introduce yourself
04:03 rangi http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/
04:09 anitsirk sorry for not having stayed on. i needed to attend to something else.
04:10 Barb Ok, I will send an email, perhaps somebody has got an idea....
04:14 rangi yep thats a good idea
04:14 rangi there are a few thousand librarians on the list
04:14 rangi one of them is bound to have a good idea ;)
04:19 anitsirk yes, i'm sure they will. if you are more interested in how libraries use it, i suspect that the librarians reading the list will come up with some great ideas which you can ponder and mesh with your own to come up with a good research project, Barb.
04:23 Barb ok, thanks
04:24 Barb Thank you for your time and a nice chat, hope see you soon... Have a nice weekend! (have to go to lecture)
04:28 anitsirk have a great weekend as well.
06:23 Oak hello #koha :)
06:23 alex_a hi #koha
06:23 alex_a hi Oak
06:24 Oak Bonjour Monseuir alex_a :) not sure about the monseuir spelling
06:25 alex_a Oak: Monsieur :)
06:25 alex_a Oak: back from vacation ?
06:26 Oak alex_a, not vacation, I was just busy with exams, and other stuff...
06:26 Oak :)
06:27 alex_a ok
06:28 Oak how are things with you?
06:28 alex_a things with me ?
06:29 Oak never mind
06:29 Oak like work, life etc. all good?
06:29 alex_a ok :)
06:30 Oak ok
06:30 alex_a pretty good Oak
06:30 Oak that's good :)
06:30 alex_a It's my son birthday today
06:30 alex_a he's 6
06:31 Oak aww, cute. this is awesome :D
06:31 alex_a :)
06:31 Oak such a good age!!! 6
06:32 alex_a yes. i would still be 6
06:32 alex_a :D
06:33 Oak we all wish I think :)
06:33 alex_a well, cofee time
06:34 alex_a *coffee*
06:49 julian hello
06:57 magnuse kia ora #koha
07:06 kf morning #koha
07:07 magnuse morgen kf
07:20 kf hm where is the rest?
07:20 wahanui rumour has it the rest is just distraction
07:20 kf lol
07:21 magnuse :-)
07:23 magnuse bonjour sophie_m
07:23 kf hi sophie_m
07:23 sophie_m hello magnuse
07:23 Oak kf
07:23 Oak heya sophie_m
07:23 kf Oak
07:23 sophie_m Guten Morgen kf
07:24 sophie_m hi Oak
07:24 Oak :)
07:24 sophie_m last day before holidays :-)
07:24 kf ah, where are you going? :)
07:24 sophie_m Corsica
07:24 kf nice :)
07:25 sophie_m yep :-)
07:27 magnuse yay
07:32 paul_p hello world
07:34 kf hi paul_p
07:36 magnuse kia ora paul_p
07:39 Oak magnuse
07:39 Oak heya paul_p :)
07:39 magnuse Oak
07:40 Oak :]
07:52 magnuse kia ora hdl!
07:52 magnuse @seen hdl
07:52 huginn magnuse: hdl was last seen in #koha 11 hours, 16 minutes, and 22 seconds ago: <hdl> With Memcached on, there might be some flushing to be done
07:52 hdl kia ora magnuse
07:53 magnuse been on holiday? or just not much on irc?
07:54 kf hi hdl
07:58 Oak @wunder islamabad
07:58 huginn Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 23.0�C (12:00 PM PKT on August 12, 2011). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 21.0�C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1002 hPa (Falling).
08:00 kf @wunder Konstanz
08:00 huginn kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 20.2�C (9:59 AM CEST on August 12, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014.1 hPa (Steady).
08:04 magnuse @wunder boo
08:04 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 9.0�C (9:50 AM CEST on August 12, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady).
08:04 magnuse yeah, it's starting to feel like autumn...
08:16 kf not only starting...
08:16 kf this summer was weird
08:53 slef kf: was? Is it over?
09:01 kf it got hot really early and then we got a lot of rain
09:04 rangi sup peeps
09:04 kf hi rangi
09:05 Oak heya rangi man :)
09:07 kf how was friday?
09:10 rangi ill show you a tweet that sums it up
09:11 rangi http://identi.ca/notice/80737659
09:11 kf I ok?
09:11 kf what are hot chips?
09:12 kf besides a band and a confrerence... hm.
09:12 rangi from a fish and chip shop
09:12 rangi slef can explain
09:12 kf I suppose the whisky was not so happy about the hot chips?
09:12 rangi its a left over from our colonisation from england
09:12 rangi the whisky was fine
09:13 rangi laurel wasnt super happy about being begged to got in the rain to get them
09:13 kf perhaps next time buy them before you drink the whisky :P
09:14 rangi thats a good idea
09:14 rangi im gonna blame kristina
09:15 rangi cos she pinged out 40 mins ago and cant see that
09:19 magnuse heh
09:20 kf hehe
09:21 rangi kf
09:21 rangi would it be alrigth if i gave barbara your email address?
09:21 rangi alright too
09:22 rangi 15:47 <@rangi> Barb: i will check with katrin that its ok, and then send you her email address
09:22 rangi so im checking :)
09:23 kf sure
09:23 kf it's ok
09:24 slef hot chips? Why would you have them any other way?
09:24 slef cold chips would be greasy nasty
09:24 rangi :)
09:25 rangi a man after my own hear
09:25 rangi t
09:25 kf ok
09:25 kf so hot means warm, that's all?
09:26 * magnuse thinks kf is looking for hidden meanings...
09:27 magnuse so rangi, good wifi in the doghouse?
09:28 kf lol
09:29 rangi heh yeah
09:29 rangi its ok
09:29 rangi i am taking the 2 boys on the train to a birthday party tomoor
09:29 rangi row
09:30 rangi if i dont hit return too many times
09:30 rangi 1 hour on a train there, then a 2 year old and a 4 year old eating junk food and sugar and 1 hour back on the train
09:30 rangi should be awesome!
09:31 slef heh, I went and got my usual keyb from my office because I kept hitting enter too early
09:32 slef bamboo keyb ftw
09:32 magnuse rangi: especially the return trip!
09:32 rangi yeah, i may just pretend i dont know them :)
09:32 magnuse heh
09:33 magnuse how far do you get in an hour? paraparaumu?
09:33 rangi close
09:33 rangi other track
09:33 rangi martinborough
09:33 magnuse ah
09:33 magnuse not been there ;-)
09:47 rangi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDBA-cZtLIc
09:48 rangi atarau's haka
09:55 magnuse scary! especially the glowing eyes... ;-)
09:57 kf hehe
09:57 kf is is cute
09:57 kf he is cute - I am not scared but want to pick him up for a hug
09:58 kf hope that wasn't an insult now... :)
09:59 rangi hehe no
09:59 rangi i pick him up for a hug everyday
10:06 magnuse a little hongi might be more appropriate for a fierce warrior, perhaps?
10:07 kf or giving him a koha?
10:08 rangi :)
10:12 magnuse typos--
10:12 rangi ?
10:12 rangi i make my living from typos
10:22 magnuse hehe
10:23 kf typos++
10:23 kf @karma typos
10:23 huginn kf: Karma for "typos" has been increased 1 time and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 0.
10:23 magnuse i'm working on a wiki and just spent lots of time troubleshooting the wrong part of an expression, when the problem was the typo in another part...
10:23 kf now the world is in balance again
10:23 magnuse phew
10:25 kf :)
10:35 rangi heya JesseM
10:36 JesseM Hey rangi
10:36 JesseM did you watch that link I sent you on the twitter
10:36 rangi i did ;)
10:36 JesseM haha :)
10:36 JesseM good stuff right
10:37 rangi yup
10:41 rangi did you see there is a gps navigation thing, with snoop as the navigator?
10:42 rangi http://www.tomtom.com/page/snoopdogg
10:42 JesseM haha
10:42 JesseM that is great
10:43 JesseM round and round we go ya know
10:43 JesseM :)
10:44 rangi :)
10:45 rangi http://soundcloud.com/oopartmusic/chad-vader <-- good too
10:47 JesseM Nice beat
10:47 rangi and who wouldnt like chad vader doing their navigation :)
10:49 JesseM I would definitely mess up the directions with chad vader directing me :)
10:49 rangi speaking of which
10:49 rangi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv5iEK-IEzw
10:51 paul_p ok, guys, it's time to quit the web for 2 weeks !
10:51 rangi hav fun paul_p
10:51 paul_p I wish all of you the best, I promise I'll come back in 2 weeks, but for 2 weeks, I forget you ;-)
10:52 rangi :)
10:53 kf have a good vacation!
10:53 JesseM I like that a lot too :)
10:54 JesseM enjoy your time away paul_p
10:55 JesseM catch you later rangi, I need to go and bring Nate to the shop to get his car.
10:56 rangi cya later, ill be falling asleep soon
11:03 druthb o/
11:03 Oak \o druthb :)
11:03 rangi heya druthb
11:03 druthb hi, Oak and rangi! :)
11:04 * druthb sings the Happy Friday song.
11:32 magnuse o/
11:32 magnuse hey, let's rewrite koha in java while paul_p is away, so he'll get really confused when he gets back!
11:33 kf lol
11:34 magnuse a (less than) practical joke...
11:35 druthb lol
11:35 druthb Hi, magnuse.
11:35 druthb :)
11:36 jenkins_koha Starting build 31 for job Koha_3.4.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
11:36 magnuse hiya druthb
11:38 * rangi wanders off to sleep
11:38 rangi have a good weekend all
11:38 magnuse see ya rangi
11:43 kf night rangi
11:51 kf why java? I think we should choose something more esoteric
11:53 kf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esoteric_programming_language
11:54 kf Brain.... for example
11:54 kf only eight dictinct characters
11:57 magnuse i'm open to suggestions!
12:16 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.4.x build #31: SUCCESS in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.4.x/31/
12:16 jenkins_koha * m.de.rooy: Bug 4959 (Language inconsistencies on basket groups; skip confirmation when closing basket)
12:16 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6346 - Patron search results should be valigned top
12:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4959 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, m.de.rooy, ASSIGNED , Language inconsistencies on basket groups; skip confirmation when closing basket.
12:16 jenkins_koha * frederick.capovilla: Bug 6369 Correct a formatting problem in the pdf generation of basketgroup.pl
12:16 jenkins_koha * frederick.capovilla: Bug 6373 : Corrects a validation problem on addbiblio.pl on IE8
12:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6346 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Patron search results should be valigned top
12:16 jenkins_koha * srdjan: bug_6410: correct borrowernumber template var name
12:16 jenkins_koha * januszop: Bug 6461 - BiblioDefaultView has no impact on how record are displayed when going from results list
12:16 jenkins_koha * januszop: Bug 6468 - Authorities browsing error in OPAC
12:16 jenkins_koha * nengard: bug 6701 - change timeout to say milliseconds
12:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6369 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, fcapovilla, NEW , Formatting problems on some items when printing an order form (PDF).
12:16 jenkins_koha * chris.nighswonger: Updating Version Number to 3.04.03.001
12:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6373 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , The mandatory fields validation popup doesn't appear in IE8
12:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6461 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, januszop, ASSIGNED , BiblioDefaultView has no impact on how record are displayed when going from results list
12:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6468 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, januszop, ASSIGNED , Authorities browsing error in OPAC
12:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6701 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED , language on timeout system preference is wrong
12:18 * druthb rewrites Koha in MUMPS.
12:22 * danmc googles MUMPS
12:22 * danmc runs away
12:26 druthb MUMPS was a heckuva database engine, for its' time. But its' time was a looooong time ago.
12:27 magnuse "Mumps (epidemic parotitis) is a viral disease of the human species, caused by the mumps virus." - viral programming, eh?
12:28 danmc Massachusetts General Hospital Utility Multi-Programming System
12:28 druthb silly magnuse! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MUMPS
12:29 magnuse then koha could spread like a virus...
12:29 magnuse see, it has something to do with hospitals
12:29 druthb It's a sloppy language--no declarations, one datatype that is implicitly typed according to context...
12:29 druthb Good morning, libsysguy. :)
12:30 magnuse hiya libsysguy
12:30 libsysguy well it is morning druthb
12:30 libsysguy but not so good
12:30 * druthb offers hugs and cookies
12:30 libsysguy I am waging war with zebra and daemon
12:30 libsysguy aww thanks druthb
12:31 * libsysguy accepts hugs and cookies
12:32 libsysguy do you guys have zebra added to your daemon?
12:32 druthb i just use koha-zebra-ctl.sh start to crank up zebra, and a cron job to process the zebraqueue. Have never used the zebraqueue daemon.
12:34 libsysguy i just put it in there so if the server goes down and comes back up searching is working
12:34 slef hi all
12:34 libsysguy hey slef
12:35 druthb That can be done with koha-zebra-ctl.sh, too. make sure the user and group are right at the top of the file, and then ln -s to it from /etc/init.d, and add it to your boot sequence. Works a treat.
12:36 slef The daemon is currently deprecated. I think someone is working on bringing it back, because we need it for more synchronous index updates. It's on my to-look-at list.
12:36 slef As in the zebraqueuedaemon. The daemon program used to launch zebrasrv is clearly not.
12:37 slef I've usually got koha-zebra-ctl or something based on it that starts up daemon to run zebrasrv in init.d, but you can also add it to cron @reboot or launchd if you prefer them.
12:38 druthb wahanui: botsnack small screaming child from the campsite next door
12:38 wahanui :)
12:38 libsysguy yeah that is what i was trying to do self
12:38 * slef looks at druthb oddly
12:39 * druthb is living deliberately as a nomad, slef.
12:39 slef libsysguy: man update-rc.d # or is something going wrong?
12:39 slef druthb: heh, unlike me who is without an office this week because of repair works.
12:40 slef yay tcohen hi! Sorry I wasn't around yesterday
12:40 tcohen hi slef
12:41 tcohen no problem
12:41 druthb slef: for the most part, we love it. but this toddler needs to be disciplined, seriously, before someone meaner than me--and who is a later sleeper than me--decides to drown him in the pool.
12:42 slef druthb: duct tape is versatile.
12:42 druthb indeed. and I have a small roll in the tool bag...hm.
12:43 slef tcohen: in your last comment, do you mean "promising" more than "interesting"?
12:43 danmc druthb: neato. moving every day or just once in a while?
12:43 tcohen slef: indeed
12:43 tcohen yes
12:43 druthb once in a while. Our current spot--we'll be here a total of 19 days, then move... next stop is Indianapolis, then Sioux Falls, a week at each.
12:44 libsysguy i think something is wrong slef
12:45 slef libsysguy: why do you think that?
12:45 libsysguy i have this error: |update-rc.d: error: unable to read /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon
12:45 slef libsysguy: ok, and ls -l /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon says?
12:45 libsysguy ilrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 28 Aug 12 02:26 /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon -> ./misc/bin/koha-zebra-ctl.sh
12:46 libsysguy minus the i
12:46 libsysguy that is a typo
12:46 slef ok, and what's in /etc/init.d/misc/bin/koha-zebra-ctl.sh ?
12:46 libsysguy you mean ~/kohaclone/misc/bin/koha-zebra-ctl.sh?
12:47 libsysguy -rwxr-xr-x 1 koha koha 2874 Aug 11 10:10 misc/bin/koha-zebra-ctl.sh
12:47 slef libsysguy: no, I mean what I typed because that's where your symlink is pointing.
12:47 libsysguy 0_0
12:47 slef libsysguy: if it doesn't exist, you got your ln -s command wrong.
12:48 slef which is probably what's wrong ;-)
12:48 slef libsysguy: be careful with relative paths in ln -s. They dereference from the symlink location, not your current one.
12:49 libsysguy gotcha
12:49 libsysguy cursed lazy symlinking
12:50 slef cat /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon # in your original situation would probably complain
12:50 slef update-rc.d's error is correct but unhelpful
12:50 libsysguy exactly
12:51 libsysguy that got it
12:51 libsysguy thanks slef
12:51 libsysguy ill remember not to lazy link
12:51 slef libsysguy: oh it can be useful, as long as you know what's happening
12:51 libsysguy yeah true
12:51 slef like symlinking a README to ../README and still working when you mv a tree
12:51 libsysguy now back to my origional problem...fixing searching :-\
12:52 slef tcohen: use vars is obsolete (see man perlmodlib), but I know you didn't introduce that.
12:57 slef tcohen: and you need environment variables to avoid the catch22 of having to parse the config file to find what memcached the config settings are stored in, right?
12:57 tcohen exactly
12:57 slef tcohen: a clearer comment than "memcached stuff" in line 82 would be good, but I can't see anything wrong with your approach.
12:58 slef this is bug 6193 for those playing along at home
12:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6193 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED , Use memcached cache koha-conf.xml configuration variables
12:58 slef why shouldn't this go in master yet?
13:00 tcohen i think it can go into master, I ust wanted more people to test it
13:02 kf wahanui botsnack raspberry icecream
13:02 wahanui :)
13:02 slef tcohen: ok... I'll apply it to my development server now.
13:03 tcohen :-D
13:04 libsysguy ok so i think i am forgetting something in my setup...koha-zebra-ctl.sh is in the daemon
13:04 slef urgh, but first I just got this update from origin/master
13:04 slef mode change 100644 => 100755 etc/koha-httpd.conf
13:04 libsysguy and searching aren't working...so i started zebrazrv by hand
13:05 libsysguy and searching works
13:05 slef why does etc/koha-httpd.conf need to be +x?
13:06 slef change introduced by bug 6277
13:06 wahanui slef: that doesn't look right
13:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6277 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , CustomLog by default
13:06 slef hehe
13:08 slef ok, have queried it on that bug :(
13:10 slef whee and that makes tcohen's patch generate a warning :(
13:10 slef still seems to have applied, happily
13:12 slef doing a make install because the koha-httpd.conf has changed
13:12 slef actually we could skip a lot of that if it's a dev install
13:12 slef another thing to do one day
13:13 slef oooh that failed messily :-/
13:13 slef so sorry tcohen but I can't test this today :-/
13:13 tcohen found a problem on the patch?
13:14 slef oh no, I'm an idiot.
13:14 slef Redoing.
13:14 slef I missed a "../" off my Makefile.PL command.
13:15 kf slef: it's friday...
13:16 slef it's lunchtime... I'll finish testing this afterwards. :)
13:16 libsysguy ok so my zebra server and zebradaemon are both in the daemon but i've got no search results
13:16 slef zebradaemon?
13:17 libsysguy zebraqueue**
13:17 libsysguy sorry
13:17 libsysguy its been a long day already
13:17 slef zebraqueuedaemon?
13:17 libsysguy koha-zebraqueue-ctl.sh
13:17 slef Does that work again now? I thought we still needed to use rebuild_zebra.pl -z
13:17 slef from cron
13:17 libsysguy well i built it last night
13:18 slef and have you run rebuild_zebra.pl -r -a -b to initialise the index?
13:18 slef I really should reread the INSTALL :)
13:18 libsysguy ohh
13:18 libsysguy ok...well ill do that and see if it works...be back in like 5 hours
13:18 libsysguy :-\
13:19 kf I think there are 2 different demans
13:19 slef oh yeah, it's mentioned in there, "What's Next" steps 3 and 4
13:19 kf koha-zebraqueue... something is deprecrated
13:19 kf and ignore all the typos
13:21 kf and ln -s /home/katrin/koha-dev/bin/koha-zebra-ctl.sh /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon will start zebrasrv
13:21 kf hm not that line... but the koha-zebra-daemon
13:21 tcohen koha-zebraqueue usage was discouraged, in favor of a cronjob
13:21 * kf goes to hide from friday
13:21 kf tcohen: yes - I was talking about starting zebrasrv
13:22 kf or trying to talk about it but not making much sense
13:22 tcohen kf: friday, we're all in love
13:22 tcohen there's no cure for that
13:22 * kf has already decided to do no database updates or deletes today
13:34 magnuse kia ora sekjal
13:34 sekjal howdy, magnuse
13:41 kf hi sekjal
13:42 sekjal hi, kf
13:53 * wizzyrea giggles at tcohen
13:53 druthb hi, wizzyrea!
13:53 wizzyrea mornin :)
13:53 wizzyrea how's tricks
13:56 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6714] opac.css uses files in the /en/ directory when using other languages <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6714>
13:56 druthb1 Harrumph!
13:57 nengard hey all - git bz seems to have stopped working for me ... did i need to put it in some file that gets loaded when i restart?
13:58 kf hm no
13:58 kf did you add your bugzilla logins?
13:58 kf what is your error message?
13:58 libsysguy ^^
13:59 wizzyrea you probably need to define your path in your .profile
13:59 wizzyrea dunno where you put it in your path
13:59 wizzyrea but you would edit .profile and add something like
13:59 wizzyrea if [ -d "$HOME/bin" ] ; then
13:59 wizzyrea PATH="/usr/sbin:$HOME/bin:$PATH"
13:59 wizzyrea fi
13:59 wizzyrea you'd need to put your gitbz path in ther
13:59 wizzyrea there*
14:00 wizzyrea oh wait
14:00 wizzyrea my bad
14:00 wizzyrea sec
14:00 wizzyrea in .bash_profile
14:00 wizzyrea PATH=$PATH:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin
14:00 wizzyrea export PATH
14:00 wizzyrea add on :/your/path/to/git-bz
14:01 * sekjal still needs to get git-BZ set up on his desktop.
14:01 wizzyrea then logout and log back in
14:04 wizzyrea any luck?
14:05 nengard sorry kf - got distratced
14:05 nengard distracted
14:05 nengard nengard@debian:~/kohaclone$ git bz attach 6706
14:05 nengard git: 'bz' is not a git command. See 'git --help'.
14:05 wizzyrea nengard
14:05 wizzyrea see http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_bz_configuration
14:06 wizzyrea the bit right below the sudo ln -s
14:09 nengard thanks wizzyrea that wasn't there before :)
14:11 wizzyrea I know :)
14:12 * wizzyrea notes that you can't tell someone to put something in their path, and then neglect to tell them that they should add that path to their bash_profile.
14:13 kf hm
14:13 kf it still works for me and I don't remember putting it in there
14:13 kf might have to check again
14:13 wizzyrea it's because you probably had that path already configured
14:13 wizzyrea or you symlinked to a path you had in there
14:14 kf ok
14:15 wizzyrea kf: http://kb.iu.edu/data/acar.html
14:15 wizzyrea in my case, on an unedited .bash_profile, I didn't have /usr/local/bin, so the instructions on the wiki would have caused the exact problem nengard was seeing.
14:16 nengard :)
14:17 kmkale hi all
14:18 kmkale @seen Brooke
14:18 huginn kmkale: Brooke was last seen in #koha 14 hours, 18 minutes, and 3 seconds ago: * Brooke nods.
14:19 kf wizzyrea++
14:20 slef wizzyrea: well done getting up :)
14:21 slef wizzyrea: what kind of crazy system doesn't have /usr/local/bin in your $PATH?
14:21 wizzyrea a default squeeze install, apparently
14:22 slef buh, really?
14:22 * slef checks one
14:22 libsysguy i did...i thought
14:22 wizzyrea it could be a leftover from lenny
14:22 wizzyrea but it wasn't in mine
14:22 libsysguy no it was a clean net install
14:22 libsysguy but maybe i added it...
14:23 slef no I just checked one of our recent squeezes and it has /usr/local/bin
14:23 wizzyrea must be a lenny leftover, as it was an upgraded bo
14:23 wizzyrea box
14:23 wizzyrea but I know I didn't remove it
14:23 wizzyrea and I had to add it
14:23 wizzyrea (because, why would you remove it?)
14:23 slef our lenny systems have it too
14:23 wizzyrea (that would be dumb)
14:23 * libsysguy breathes a sigh of relief knowing he's not crazy
14:23 wizzyrea I don't have an explanation
14:23 wizzyrea but it wasn't in mine
14:24 wizzyrea and it wasn't in nengard's
14:24 slef strange
14:24 slef very strange
14:24 libsysguy when I can't explain something i just blame quantum entanglement
14:24 wizzyrea there you go
14:24 wizzyrea quantum entanglement
14:24 slef libsysguy: phase of the moon :)
14:24 wizzyrea sunspots
14:24 wizzyrea hey it really could be sunspots :P
14:25 libsysguy oh no my debian box has sun cancer
14:25 slef heh, just found why I'm struggling to test tcohen's memcached patch - memcached wasn't yet installed on my new dev box :)
14:25 wizzyrea oops
14:25 libsysguy slef lol
14:29 rhcl slef: is your computer too close to a microwave? http://www.technewsworld.com/story/Scientists-Pop-Atoms-in-Microwave-Out-Comes-Quantum-Entanglement-73057.html
14:31 slef rhcl: no microwave in this house. Would only use it for jacket potatoes.
14:32 wizzyrea or making ricotta, which is what I use mine for
14:41 slef how do you do that?
14:46 wizzyrea slef: http://www.seriouseats.com/recipes/2010/02/how-to-make-fresh-ricotta-fast-easy-homemade-cheese-the-food-lab-recipe.html
14:51 libsysguy does anybody know how I could use a Members.pm function to get all of the users out of koha and load them into a hash?
14:55 davemenninger pardon if this is bad form ;) but does anyone in here know if there are any IRC channels where people talk sirsidynix?
14:56 oleonard Wouldn't you rather stay here and be converted? :)
14:56 libsysguy ^^
14:56 wizzyrea ^^
14:57 libsysguy we just moved from Sirsi
14:57 slef libsysguy: C4::Members::GetBorrowersWhoHaveNotBorrowedSince('2099-01-01') perhaps? </evil>
14:57 libsysguy heh slef you got me
14:57 libsysguy but now i really want to add a stub for that
14:57 slef a stub?
14:58 libsysguy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Method_stub
14:58 slef libsysguy: there's probably a nicer way to do it with C4::Members::Search or SearchMember
14:59 libsysguy yeah I was going to use GetMember but i didn't really know what to pass it to get all of the members
14:59 wizzyrea davemenninger: a cursory search doesn't bring back much that's collaborative about sirsidynix with respect to IRC
15:00 libsysguy and I'd rather use the built in functions rather than just writing my own sql
15:00 slef libsysguy: roflmao. I think C4::Members::SearchMember('%') may work but that's probably unintentional.
15:00 libsysguy hahaha
15:00 slef but let's face it, if you've got API access, you can break it 1001 ways, so does it matter?
15:00 oleonard davemenninger: There's not a rival IRC gang that comes here once in a while to rumble, if that's what you thought
15:01 davemenninger haha, thanks
15:01 slef wizzyrea: ooh, let me try the IRC search site
15:01 libsysguy oleonard: that would be awesome
15:01 davemenninger yeah - i'm newly in the role of server admin at my library
15:01 slef http://irc.netsplit.de/channels/?chat=sirsi heh, was that you davemenninger?
15:02 libsysguy davemenninger: SO AM I!!!
15:02 wizzyrea you might as in code4lib
15:02 wizzyrea s/as/ask
15:02 libsysguy davemenninger: what is your library?
15:03 davemenninger hmm, is #code4lib on freenode?
15:03 davemenninger yep, i'm the only person in oftc/#code4lib and oftc/#sirsi
15:04 davemenninger i'm at the cincinnati public library
15:04 rhcl sirsi used to have an online "something" -- a forum or chat or ??? that was fairly participative for the users, but Sirsi, bless 'em, discontinued it after they were bought out by Microsoft
15:04 wizzyrea yea, code4lib is on freenode
15:04 davemenninger no wonder... :)
15:05 davemenninger i'm considering using koha though for a side project
15:05 davemenninger is there still an EC2 image for it?
15:06 slef no idea but I suspect so. The wiki would know
15:06 libsysguy hmm might be difficult to run on EC2 since they have their own db implementation separate from mysql
15:07 libsysguy you'd have to have EBS set up
15:07 libsysguy i think
15:07 davemenninger boo
15:07 wizzyrea nah, you can run mysql in an instance
15:07 libsysguy well...i just have the free developer version of ec2
15:07 wizzyrea you don't have to use their db solution
15:08 libsysguy I wish my library would buy the good stuff :p
15:08 wizzyrea you could do it without EBS too
15:08 wizzyrea though it's quite a bit more volatile (I wouldn't do anything important without EBS)
15:08 wizzyrea (Personally)
15:10 * jcamins_away hates trying to figure out what to do when traveling.
15:10 druthb1 good morning, jcamins_away.
15:10 jcamins_away Good morning.
15:13 * druthb1 looks over from her shady spot at the tent...Lindsey's end of which is now in full sun...she'll come exploding out of there momentarily.
15:14 libsysguy youtube it!!
15:14 slef bambuser > youtube = OK
15:14 * druthb1 hears some thrashing around in the end of the tent.
15:15 druthb1 sure enough.... here she comes.
15:15 nengard hehe
15:16 Agent_Dani Morning!
15:17 druthb1 There's about a two-hour window each day where the sun hits the roof of the tent, through a gap in the trees overhead...even if it isn't that hot, it is uncomfortably bright.
15:17 druthb1 hi, Agent_Dani!
15:21 Agent_Dani Heya druthb1
15:33 nengard thanks oloenard for the sign offs :)
15:38 sekjal 5252 and 6706 passed QA
15:43 nengard thanks sekjal!!
15:50 bg NateC?
15:50 wahanui I LIKE SPACE!
15:55 wizzyrea rangi?
15:55 wahanui I LIKE ALMONDS! HAVE SOME NUTS!
15:55 wizzyrea ... lol
15:55 druthb1 wizzyrea?
15:55 wahanui rumour has it wizzyrea is amazing
15:55 druthb1 mhm
15:55 wizzyrea lol
15:56 wizzyrea I thought I fixed that >.>
15:56 wizzyrea y'all are persistent
15:56 druthb1 you're persistently amazing.
15:57 * wizzyrea blushes
15:59 tcohen slef: did you manage to test it?
16:29 nengard nengard?
16:29 wahanui hmmm... nengard is fast
16:29 nengard hehe
16:30 nengard hey #koha friends - i'm looking for computer headset recommendations. It needs to be lightweight (one ear preferrably) and have a mic for my screencasts
16:33 libsysguy i use Jabra GO
16:33 libsysguy its got noise cancellation
16:33 libsysguy which is sometimes handy
16:35 cait hi #koha
16:37 cait oleonard++
16:38 rhcl hi #cait
16:41 cait hi rhcl :)
16:42 nengard libsysguy that's a bit more pricey than i was planning on ...
16:52 libsysguy oh yeah...i definitely made the library buy it for me
16:52 libsysguy I had to have something that was compatible with our softphones
16:54 libsysguy nengard: what is your price range?
16:54 nengard under $100
16:54 nengard doesn't have to be wireless - but wireless is nice :(
16:54 nengard I mean :)
16:56 wizzyrea hm anybody noticed that fines are not caluclating?
16:56 wizzyrea correctly
16:56 wizzyrea as example
16:56 libsysguy like how
16:56 wizzyrea Stopped by Thursday evening to check out books. He had an existing fine of $11.00 on his account. He was informed by the Circulation Clerk that he could go ahead and check out books if the fine was not over $10.00.
16:56 wizzyrea
16:56 wizzyrea Jeffery gave the clerk $1.00. When the clerk applied the money to the account, the entire balance was deleted leaving his balance at $ 0.00
16:57 libsysguy and you were using partial payments?
16:57 libsysguy bug 3498
16:57 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3498 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, colin.campbell, ASSIGNED , Allow partial fine payments
16:58 wizzyrea idk
16:58 wizzyrea that's the report I got we're looking for more now
16:58 libsysguy ok well i think if you click pay fine then it pays the whole fine
16:58 libsysguy nengard can back me up
16:58 nengard it should yes
16:58 nengard if you click pay it pays the whole fine
16:58 nengard this is how it is in koha master right now
16:59 nengard i have not tested partial payments yet
16:59 wizzyrea no, loopk at this
16:59 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 3498] Allow partial fine payments <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3498> / [Bug 6634] manager_id not populated when paying fines <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6634>
16:59 wizzyrea explain why outstanding is always 0.00
16:59 wizzyrea http://screencast.com/t/9xVe7JXSIt
16:59 wizzyrea or why the writeoffs are charges
17:00 tcohen hi wizzyrea, levaing to attenda
17:00 tcohen meetiiiiinnnnnnngg
17:00 tcohen bye #koha
17:00 wizzyrea bye
17:00 wizzyrea gl with the meeting
17:00 wizzyrea what you can't see, ks that total due is 0.00 as well
17:01 wizzyrea and the math for that doesn't come out even remotely
17:02 libsysguy hold on a sec...let me check into that bug
17:03 libsysguy omg thats confusing
17:03 wizzyrea i admit that it's possible that it was human error, but from the looks of it, that seems unlikely
17:04 sekjal there are several Partial Payments implementations out there
17:05 sekjal the problem is that most of them don't fix the underlying structural problems with the accounts table
17:05 wizzyrea if it's not in mainline koha, we don't have it
17:05 wizzyrea just sayin
17:09 oleonard sekjal: Bug 3498 is a fairly old implementation that colin updated. It just popped up because I added 'needs signoff'
17:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3498 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, colin.campbell, ASSIGNED , Allow partial fine payments
17:10 oleonard I looked at it briefly and I agree with your assessment about underlying structural problems.
17:13 cait is robin's rewrite adding partial fine payments?
17:13 wizzyrea there is all kinds of weird on this account
17:16 wizzyrea also, writeoffs need to be green, and negative :P
17:17 wizzyrea or yellow and negative
17:20 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5981] OPAC: Add limits to search history <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5981>
17:21 cait yellowis evil
17:21 cait not a good contrast
17:21 wizzyrea orange?
17:21 cait and red and green are evil too for color blind people
17:31 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6022] Auth_with_ldap check if categorycode is valid <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6022>
18:07 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6715] xmlControlField.js always fetches the value_builder xml files in the "en" directory. <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6715>
18:42 fcapo Hello, I have a question : I made some translations for the fr-CA language and I want to share them with the community, but when I look at the fr-CA translations for Koha3.4 on translate.koha-community.org, there is no file and I can't add them.
18:42 fcapo So, what is going on with the fr-CA translations?
18:52 cait drop a mail on translate@...
18:52 cait fredericd can add the language and check if there are older files somewhere
18:52 fcapo ok, thanks
19:44 wizzyrea very quiet
19:45 cait :)
19:45 cait weekend time
19:45 wizzyrea *nod*
19:45 * druthb makes some noise, by singing the Happy Friday song
19:50 * libsysguy sings along
20:34 nengard i would like somoene to look at the patch for bug 6716 and let me know if i'm on the right track before i spend too much more time on it
20:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6716 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED , Database Documentation
20:34 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6716] Database Documentation <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6716>
20:36 nengard i found three fields in the borrowers table that we don't use anymore ... or that i can't figure out how we use
20:37 libsysguy if i had a test instance i'd help :'(
20:38 sekjal nengard: which 3?
20:39 nengard ethnicity, ethnotes, flags
20:39 sekjal flags is used
20:39 nengard how?
20:39 sekjal user permissions
20:39 nengard oh!!!
20:39 nengard thanks
20:39 nengard will put that in
20:39 sekjal its a really weird usage, though
20:40 sekjal it's an integer, but the different permission values are bit-wise ANDed together
20:40 sekjal so, superlibrarian is 1
20:40 nengard how do i mark an attachment as obsolete without attaching something else?
20:41 sekjal view all -> details -> edit details, then check obsolete
20:44 nengard thanks
20:44 nengard did it using git bz
20:44 nengard new patch submitted
20:44 nengard sekjal is there a way to see what each permission code is?
20:44 nengard oh .. but you said it was really wierd so it's not easy to figure out by reading that field?
20:45 sekjal nengard: select * from user_permissions;
20:45 cait nengard: git bz attach -e
20:45 nengard cait that's how i did it
20:45 cait brings up an editor, uncomment the lines of the attachements you want... ok
20:45 cait :)
20:46 sekjal err, wait, no
20:46 nengard hehe
20:46 nengard was just reading that and was confused
20:48 cait I never figured out how it worked - the flags thing
20:48 cait perhaps sekjal can explain
20:48 sekjal select * from userflags
20:48 nengard hmm, that's not all of them
20:49 nengard so i have a patron with a 214 in that field
20:49 sekjal the 'bit' column is which bit of the binary value of borrowers.flags
20:49 nengard does that mean they can catalogue, circulate, and borrowers
20:50 cait hm
20:50 sekjal should mean they can circulate, catalogue, borrowers, reserveforothers, borrow
20:50 sekjal since 214 = 11010110 in binary
20:51 nengard oh my goodness
20:51 sekjal and bits 1, 2, 4, 6, and 7 are set
20:51 nengard i have no idea how to write a report to figure those things out
20:51 sekjal nengard: spot check me against that patron?
20:51 nengard so i hope no one asks me
20:52 sekjal nengard: I can give you that report
20:52 nengard checking permissions
20:52 nengard she has circulate (all), catalogue, borrowers, reserveforothers(all), borrow,items_batchmod
20:52 nengard so you're missing one
20:53 sekjal nengard: ah, right, any subpermissions will be stored in a different table
20:53 sekjal user_permissions
20:53 nengard oh my goodness!!!!
20:53 nengard hehe
20:53 nengard can you see my head exploding??
20:53 * wizzyrea can
20:54 nengard i'm skipping those tables - sekjal can document them :)
20:54 cait hehe
20:54 nengard cait (since you helped me before) does the patch on 6716 look like what we decided for documentation of the mysql?
20:54 cait I checked it right now - it does :)
20:54 nengard good stuff
20:55 nengard gonna keep going then
20:55 cait have you checked that you can load the table into an empty database
20:55 cait ?
20:56 cait to rule out that small typos creep in and the syntax works as it's supposed to
20:56 sekjal to see if a borrower has a certain permission: select borrowernumber, flags from borrowers where flags & <<flag bit>>, where <<flag bit>> is the desired value from userflags;
20:59 cait *sighs*
20:59 cait I forgot my mysql root password
20:59 cait again
21:01 cait hah, found it
21:08 nengard cait you're testing to see if you can add the table?
21:08 libsysguy cait was it taped under the keyboard
21:08 cait no it wasn't
21:08 cait and nengard - yes, trying to :)
21:09 nengard fingers crossed
21:09 cait hmmm
21:10 cait can you paste me the new thing from your kohastructure?
21:10 cait wihtout the - and + and all that?
21:11 nengard yes
21:11 cait nengard: look here - it seems we are missing a space after the 2 dashes perhaps
21:11 cait http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/comments.html
21:11 cait From a “-- †sequence to the end of the line. In MySQL, the “-- †(double-dash) comment style requires the second dash to be followed by at least one whitespace or control character (such as a space, tab, newline, and so on). This syntax differs slightly from standard SQL comment syntax, as discussed in Section 1.8.5.5, “'--' as the Start of a Commentâ€.
21:11 pastebot "nengard" at 98.114.30.184 pasted "borrowers table" (81 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/7
21:12 nengard that's easy for me to put in if we need it
21:12 cait hm I added it for testing, but it's still complaining
21:12 cait trying to figure out why
21:13 pastebot "nengard" at 98.114.30.184 pasted "borrowers table with spaces" (81 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/8
21:14 nengard there was a missing comma
21:14 nengard hang on
21:14 cait DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `borrowers`;
21:14 cait CREATE TABLE `borrowers` ( -- this table includes information about your patrons/borrowers/members
21:14 cait `borrowernumber` int(11) NOT NULL auto_increment, -- primary key, Koha assigned ID number for patrons/borrowers
21:14 cait `cardnumber` varchar(16) default NULL, -- unique key, library assigned ID number for patrons/borrowers
21:14 pastebot "nengard" at 98.114.30.184 pasted "borrowers table with spaces and with comma" (81 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/9
21:15 nengard oops - cait got kicked out
21:15 nengard [17:13] <pastebot> "nengard" at 98.114.30.184 pasted "borrowers table with spaces and with comma" (81 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/9
21:15 cait oops
21:15 nengard try that one cait
21:15 cait sorry
21:15 cait that wasn#t what I wanted to paste
21:15 nengard hehe
21:15 cait intended to paste the line mysql complained about
21:15 nengard it was a missing comma i think
21:15 nengard i put it back in that last paste
21:15 cait it_s near b_streetype it says
21:16 nengard yup
21:16 cait can you copy me the link again? i got kicked out :(
21:16 nengard [17:13] <pastebot> "nengard" at 98.114.30.184 pasted "borrowers table with spaces and with comma" (81 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/9
21:16 nengard if it works i'll redo the patch
21:16 nengard hang on - pups barking for dinner
21:17 cait still a problem, but different error message
21:17 cait orrowers'(errno: 150) - not really helful
21:17 nengard bleh
21:17 cait trying to figure out if I made a mistake copyying it
21:19 nengard mabe i should have tested a smaller table
21:19 cait hm
21:19 cait or perhaps not
21:19 cait good to find out all you need to know now :)
21:21 nengard error 150 has something to do with a foreign key
21:22 cait yep :)
21:23 cait I was creating the database into an empty database
21:23 cait and it was complaining about that
21:23 rhcl what is the table name for the non-public notes?
21:24 nengard items
21:24 cait yep
21:24 cait more_subfields_xml
21:24 cait or paidfor
21:24 cait depends on your version
21:24 rhcl 3.4
21:24 cait for some time it was mapped to paidfor (which is bad), in newer installs it's mapped to nothing = more_subfields_xml
21:25 cait nengard: you have to fix the missing comma
21:25 cait checking now if we need the space too
21:25 cait but the mysqlthing died on me...
21:25 nengard cait i put the spaces in and the comma
21:25 cait not my friday today
21:26 cait yep
21:26 cait without spaces it complains again
21:27 cait and if other databases don't need them they probably don't hurt
21:29 cait :)
21:29 nengard updated patch on the bug
21:29 nengard has spaces and missing comma
21:30 cait hi wizzyrea_away
21:30 * wizzyrea yawns
21:31 wizzyrea is it can be going home tiem nao plox?
21:32 * cait sends wizzyrea cookies and coffee
21:32 * cait yawns too
21:32 cait kinda late
21:32 wizzyrea i'm considering dinner, what should I make?
21:32 cait gnocchi?
21:32 nengard pasta
21:32 wizzyrea oh, ricotta gnocchi. Of course
21:32 wizzyrea :)
21:32 nengard ooo gnocchi
21:32 wizzyrea great minds
21:32 nengard yum
21:32 cait it's your fault I went out yesterday and bought ricotta
21:32 wizzyrea :D
21:33 wizzyrea my work here is done
21:33 nengard i'm making pasta
21:33 nengard easy friday dinner
21:33 wizzyrea good pt
21:33 cait italian
21:33 wizzyrea I was considering http://budgetbytes.blogspot.com/2011/08/summer-vegetable-tian-660-recipe-110.html
21:34 nengard yum
21:34 nengard tutorial videos are now in the internet archive :) http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=bywatersolutions%20AND%20mediatype%3Amovies
21:34 wizzyrea it would be a pretty big project to make that *and* gnocchi
21:34 wizzyrea nice!
21:35 nengard or http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=koha%20AND%20mediatype%3Amovies
21:36 nengard okay i have to go start our dinner
21:36 cait yum
21:36 nengard cait let me know if i need to fix the patch again by updating the bug report :)
21:36 nengard the lastest updated file is attached to the bug report
21:36 cait I will try to test tomororw
21:36 cait too tired now
21:36 cait but I think it should work now
21:37 cait I was a bit worried about the apostrophs in the comments, but it seems they work nicely there
21:37 cait good night all!
21:39 sekjal okay, time to start my anniversary vacation. See y'all in a week!
22:11 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6292] Overdue notices have a bug when multiple overdues exist <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6292>
22:59 libsysguy what do you guys think about what i did with the list button? http://catalog.uttyler.edu/
23:33 slef @later tell tcohen yes seems to work. Want to fiddle with things to see how it behaves, then I'll sign off.
23:33 huginn slef: The operation succeeded.
23:33 slef bye