Time  Nick             Message
23:58 bg               oh sorry was thinking of OpacSupression (or something like that)
23:57 bg               try the 942$c field instead of in the item record
23:51 daniel969        I am talking about 'OpacHiddenItems' in: Administration > System Preferences > OPAC (under the Policy section). The documentation says that it uses YAML syntax to define the rule. I have used a field from the items table and I have entered fieldname: [value] but it doesn't seem to work. Any idea? Do I need to do a re-index?
23:38 daniel969        Hi there, can anyone please confirm that the OpacHiddenItems setting works in version 3.4.2?
21:38 bg               no kidding eh?
21:38 moodaepo         bg: Been a while! : )
21:38 huginn           moodaepo: The current temperature in MSU Physics Dept, Mankato, Minnesota is 22.1�C (4:37 PM CDT on August 09, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008.0 hPa (Steady).
21:38 moodaepo         @wunder 56001
21:38 huginn           bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 19.7�C (2:36 PM PDT on August 09, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 17.0�C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1011.7 hPa (Steady).
21:38 bg               @wunder 93109
21:37 bg               heya moodaepo
21:28 rhcl             OK, well it seems that I got zebra running OK on my system...for future reference.  It was just a package in the repo and I installed w/ Yast
21:23 wizzyrea         gl
21:23 rangi            ok, training time, bbl
21:22 bg               hmm - not sure I guess you could log into it
21:10 rhcl             Looks like it installed fine...what can I do to test it w/o Koha?
21:10 wahanui          i think zebra is a fielded free text indexing and retrieval engine with a Z39.50 front-end. You can use any compatible, commercial, or freeware Z39.50 client to access data stored in Zebra.
21:10 rhcl             zebra?
21:10 rhcl             Zebra is a fielded free text indexing and retrieval engine with a Z39.50 front-end. You can use any compatible, commercial, or freeware Z39.50 client to access data stored in Zebra.
21:10 rhcl             Oh, I wasn't trying to define it really, but I can ...
21:10 jcamins_away     Defining Zebra.
21:09 rhcl             try what again?
21:09 jcamins_away     rhcl: try again.
21:09 wahanui          jcamins_away: I forgot zebra
21:09 jcamins_away     wahanui: forget Zebra
21:09 jcamins_away     Hm. That didn't work.
21:09 rhcl             it's a standard package
21:09 wahanui          hmmm... zebra is fixable but with support money.
21:09 jcamins_away     zebra?
21:09 rhcl             on OpenSuse 11.4
21:09 rhcl             Zebra is a fielded free text indexing and retrieval engine with a Z39.50 front-end. You can use any compatible, commercial, or freeware Z39.50 client to access data stored in Zebra.
21:09 rhcl             I'm installing it now.
21:07 bg               I think that was in 2008 - haven't tried since
21:07 bg               probably
21:07 rhcl             what were the problems w/ zebra & OpenSuse? Something that might be corrected now?
21:06 bg               but we weren't able to get zebra running on OpenSUSE
21:06 * gmcharlt       is just happy that 'gmcharlt' appears to be globally unique
21:06 bg               ah I worked on OpenSUSE instructions with him back in the day
21:06 rhcl             Ah, yea. Don't see much from him anymore
21:06 jcamins_away     Ricardo Dias Marques.
21:05 rhcl             What was the name of the guy from Portugal that used to be on occasionally? Ricardo de Mar... something.
21:04 cait             the public libary in my home town had seven!
21:04 cait             too many duplicates
21:04 cait             my real name is always taken :(
21:02 * jcamins_away   doesn't generally have to worry either. He's the eldest of the four jcaminses. :)
21:01 wizzyrea         no one *else* wants
21:01 wizzyrea         i'm glad to have a nick that no one wants
21:01 * bg             misses having brendan - that was nice and easy
21:00 huginn           JesseM: bgallagher was last seen in #koha 7 weeks, 6 days, 18 hours, 24 minutes, and 56 seconds ago: <bgallagher> hi
21:00 JesseM           @seen bgallagher
20:57 jcamins_away     bg: owen predated logbot.
20:57 bg               I was a slow one to get into IRC
20:57 bg               ah I was originally brendan - maybe 2008
20:56 jcamins_away     bg: that's when you stopped being bgallagher.
20:56 bg               I think owen was like 2003 maybe?
20:56 jcamins_away     bg: looks like the first time you said something as bg was 2011-02-15.
20:56 bg               but jcamins_away that makes a lot a sense
20:56 bg               ah bummer
20:55 jcamins_away     bg: you can use the search, though.
20:55 rangi            bg: nope i dont think it does
20:54 bg               nice frodo just got away by hiding under his cloak :)
20:53 jcamins_away     wizzyrea++ # for wise ricotta advice
20:53 huginn           New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6690] If multiple issues are received in serials-edit.pl, changing the status of any issue changes the date of the first issue. <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6690>
20:53 jcamins_away     It does?
20:50 wizzyrea         it says "I just tried this with organic valley 1% lactose free milk... turned out great"
20:50 wizzyrea         in the comments
20:50 jcamins_away     No, I meant lactaid.
20:49 jcamins_away     Wait, maybe I mean lactase. I always get those confused.
20:49 jcamins_away     I have some lactaid, but I don't think that will work.
20:47 wizzyrea         *nod* same
20:46 jcamins_away     A shame I don't have any milk.
20:44 bg               hmm  rangi in stats does it show you the first time your nick appeared in the logs for irc?
20:44 wizzyrea         oh right
20:44 jcamins_away     Of course, there's still the gnocchi cooking.
20:44 jcamins_away     Oh, you do it in the microwave? Nifty!
20:43 wizzyrea         http://www.seriouseats.com/2010/02/how-to-make-fresh-ricotta-fast-easy-homemade-cheese-the-food-lab.html
20:43 cait             cold :(
20:43 huginn           cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 12.4�C (10:40 PM CEST on August 09, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 30.25 in 1024.3 hPa (Steady).
20:43 cait             @wunder Konstanz
20:42 wizzyrea         jcamins_away: no standing over boiling water for this
20:41 cait             nope :)
20:41 wizzyrea         then not as easy for you :P
20:41 cait             no microwave
20:41 wizzyrea         pinch of salt
20:41 wizzyrea         2 cups milk, 2 tablespoons vinegar, 4 minutes in the microwave
20:41 jcamins_away     I think I'll pass on anything involving standing over boiling water for the moment, though.
20:40 wizzyrea         ricotta
20:40 wizzyrea         it's super easy to make if you have milk
20:39 * cait           puts ricotta on her shopping list
20:39 cait             yes
20:39 jcamins_away     Mmm. Ricotta gnocchi. What a delicious-sounding dish.
20:30 cait             ah, too fast again
20:30 * oleonard       starts packing up to go home
20:29 * rangi          starts building new packages for obnam
20:29 wizzyrea         mhm
20:29 rangi            ah even more important they get it sorted out
20:29 oleonard         No, that was contracted logo design work
20:29 wizzyrea         oleonard was that your doing?
20:28 oleonard         Easier to see in color: http://myacpl.org/sites/all/themes/npl/logo.png
20:28 cait             oh!
20:28 wizzyrea         that's so cute!
20:28 cait             looks a bit like a flower
20:28 * wizzyrea       had never noticed that it was little people reading books
20:28 wizzyrea         to people in india, or if they just like it because it's purty
20:28 * wizzyrea       wonders if the ACPL logo means something
20:26 rangi            its quite pretty apart from that ;)
20:26 rangi            hes the boss type dude at osslabs
20:26 rangi            at least they arent fetching it from your site ;) but email savitra
20:26 oleonard         I was just wondering who to email. I'll even send the PSD file to create their own
20:25 cait             it looks a lot like it
20:25 rangi            oleonard: i would email savitra
20:25 wizzyrea         lulz
20:25 rangi            lol
20:25 oleonard         Could it be that's the Athens County Libraries logo? :|
20:24 oleonard         There's something fishy about the "no cover image available" graphics on this page: http://libcat.mysore-univ.org/
20:24 Irma             this reminds me to get my visa for India organised!
20:23 Irma             that would be good...
20:22 cait             hope we will see us at kohacon in uk next year ;)
20:22 cait             :)
20:21 Irma             I might have to go to London with my daughter (leaving on Friday) ;-)
20:21 cait             hm perhaps he is on vacation?
20:21 huginn           New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6686] Can't delete messages <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6686>
20:21 Irma             no luck and I don't know his nick either...
20:20 Irma             tried that
20:20 cait             perhaps best bet is to drop him an email?
20:20 cait             what's his nick?
20:20 Irma             What about Michael J Kaye who works with him?
20:17 huginn           cait: slef was last seen in #koha 6 days, 4 hours, 49 minutes, and 1 second ago: <slef> pabloab: better luck next time
20:17 cait             @seen slef
20:17 cait             have not seen him today
20:17 Irma             cait was slef around in the last hour or so?
20:15 cait             :)
20:14 Irma             Good thanks :-) I have an early start today so that I can enjoy a few hour off this afternoon with my eldest daughter visiting us from London
20:12 cait             i am fine, and you?
20:12 Irma             hi there cait how r u?
20:12 cait             hi Irma
20:06 rangi            back
20:06 rangi            yep
20:06 magnus_afk       if you have a remote called github, that is...
20:05 magnus_afk       yeah, that should do it
20:05 magnus_afk       or is it git push github master?
20:05 magnus_afk       git push master github <-- is what i use, i think
20:03 tcohen           ?
20:03 tcohen           anyone willing to write a short tutorial for working with gitorius/github
20:01 tcohen           stuck trying to push koha's origin/master to gitorius
19:57 bg               errr or maybe creating buggs
19:57 rangi            ok my bus stop back soon for a little bit then off to do some training
19:56 cait             someone named bugg should be good at sqashing bugs
19:56 cait             :)
19:55 rangi            ull see patches from brett soonish :)
19:53 rangi            cait: bugg used to be on the elearning team doing moodle stuffs (and maybe drupal?) now he sits up next to me
19:52 rangi            he'll be writing python so that will make him happy
19:52 rangi            yeah me too
19:51 melia            I'm hoping he does well and is happy over there.
19:50 melia            yep, I heard the rumour secretly whispered in advance. :)
19:50 cait             bugg?
19:49 rangi            but we have managed to steal bugg for the koha team
19:49 rangi            did you hear reed is leaving? off to weta
19:48 rangi            Hehe
19:48 melia            yeah, you know what a hipster I am :)
19:47 rangi            how very hipster of you :)
19:47 rangi            ahhhh
19:46 melia            rangi: yes, but no internet at my house yet. so I'm loitering around the coffee shop or just making phone calls until tomorrow. :)
19:44 magnuse          git++
19:44 rangi            melia: day 2 eh?
19:43 rangi            and can do work on my laptop too etc
19:43 tcohen           yeap
19:43 rangi            I dont lose it
19:43 rangi            push to it, so it my desktop dies
19:43 rangi            yep I just use gitorious as backup
19:42 tcohen           i've been always working on local branches on my desktop
19:42 melia            hi!
19:42 bg               heya melia
19:42 wizzyrea         always wondered about the origin of kc. Very obvious now.
19:42 tcohen           ok rangi, i'll set everything and come back
19:42 rangi            named after the bug
19:42 rangi            tcohen: thats my workflow any way, all my work is in topic branches
19:41 cait             hi melia
19:41 rangi            yay its Melia
19:41 rangi            otherwise it will no longer be a copy and u get mess
19:40 rangi            to your master
19:40 tcohen           and git push gitorius
19:40 rangi            always branching never push commits
19:40 tcohen           pull origin/master frecquently
19:40 tcohen           work against gitorius
19:40 tcohen           git push gitorius
19:40 tcohen           create a local branch following koha's origin/master
19:39 tcohen           ok, create a repo on gitorius
19:39 * bg             has disk one of the two towers playing in the background :)
19:39 rangi            its just a copy of koha community master
19:39 rangi            and I never add any commits to that branch
19:38 rangi            yup
19:38 tcohen           from my local checkout of origin/master?
19:38 rangi            I do the same with github
19:37 rangi            git push gitorious
19:37 tcohen           anyone ?
19:37 rangi            I just have a master their, that I push to, so I git pull kc/master
19:36 tcohen           for following koha's master from my own repository there
19:36 tcohen           and wanted to ask what is the workflow
19:36 tcohen           just remembered you used gitorius
19:35 tcohen           hi oleonard
19:27 cait             but that is about modifying borrowers
19:27 cait             ah right
19:27 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3820 normal, P5, ---, paul.poulain, REOPENED , Members in Log Viewer Showing ?? in UPDATE
19:27 * oleonard       finds the bug he was looking for: Bug 3820
19:26 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6460 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, januszop, ASSIGNED , No log generated if Action set to All or Modify or Delete
19:26 oleonard         Bug 6460
19:26 * magnuse        can't remember it off the top of his head...
19:25 magnuse          ah, i thought i did something stupid (again)...
19:25 * oleonard       might find the logs work better after that ;)
19:25 oleonard         No, magnuse, we're just still waiting for it to pass QA
19:24 magnuse          ;-)
19:24 * magnuse        hides
19:24 cait             I think there were some viewing problems with tt
19:23 * oleonard       sees magnuse signed off on a log viewer patch a couple of months ago
19:22 oleonard         What was the recent conversation about the action logs? Whether to store such and such info?
19:22 wizzyrea         oh my, well thank you
19:21 cait             :)
19:21 * magnuse        agrees
19:18 druthb           wizzyrea, you are awesome, and it's not a stretch
19:13 wizzyrea         but thank you all the same
19:13 wizzyrea         amazing might be a stretch. ;)
19:13 cait             he is so right
19:13 cait             :)
19:13 wahanui          wizzyrea is amazing!
19:13 cait             wizzyrea?
19:13 wizzyrea         something is <reply>
19:13 cait             much smaller libraries :)
19:13 wahanui          wizzyrea: I forgot something
19:13 wizzyrea         forget something
19:13 cait             ah
19:13 wahanui          it has been said that something is not right... :/
19:13 wizzyrea         or something
19:12 wizzyrea         too much data, it times out
19:12 cait             hm I use it a lot
19:12 wizzyrea         i don't think i've ever gotten the log viewer to work >.<
19:12 cait             so no data lost
19:12 cait             but that's good
19:12 oleonard         Hm, so do I. I guess the log viewer just isn't finding them
19:11 cait             I have some module = circulation action = issue
19:10 cait             I thought they were
19:10 cait             hm
19:03 oleonard         Hmm... It doesn't look like checkouts are getting put in the action log
18:40 oleonard         Him and his always off to OCR some Russian texts...
18:37 jcamins_away     And, with that, I'm off to OCR some Russian texts.
18:35 jcamins_away     No, of course not.
18:35 gmcharlt         not that the NKVD is really a laughing matter
18:34 jcamins_away     Thank you folks, I'll be here all day. Don't forget to tip your waitstaff.
18:34 gmcharlt         hmm, I should figure out a good use for nkvd.librarypolice.com
18:33 jcamins_away     Both are evil, and in neither case do you want them in your library records. ;)
18:33 jcamins_away     At least NKVD was a logical abbreviation to confuse NFKD with. :)
18:32 jcamins_away     Hehe.
18:32 wizzyrea         norse fowl kicking ducks?
18:31 jcamins_away     I combined NFKD with NKVD.
18:31 gmcharlt         jcamins_away: yeah, I didn't think that the New Hackensack Fire Department had anything to do with Zebra ;)
18:29 jcamins_away     NFKD.
18:29 jcamins_away     Wait, I put the K in the wrong place, didn't I?
18:29 jcamins_away     (for those who don't know, Zebra and NKFD encoding have a hate-hate relationship)
18:28 jcamins_away     gmcharlt: think Zebra-with-NKFD-encoding.
18:28 jcamins_away     I figured out how to view a record, but it should not have taken me several minutes of frustration.
18:28 gmcharlt         jcamins_away: no, I haven't.  How bad is it?
18:27 jcamins_away     Pitiful!
18:27 jcamins_away     gmcharlt: have you seen Primo's support for non-Roman character sets?
18:27 jcamins_away     libsysguy: http://www.bobcat.nyu.edu/primo_library/libweb/action/search.do?mode=Basic&vid=NYURD&tab=all
18:27 gmcharlt         the EBCDIC aside]\
18:27 libsysguy        jcamins_away: linky?
18:27 jcamins_away     How could anyone think this horror is a good idea? NOTIS was more functional.
18:26 cait             hm, any other option to get the items back from delitems ?
18:26 jcamins_away     It's a library catalog. Shouldn't it provide an interface to the records?
18:25 libsysguy        or an MVC style
18:25 gmcharlt         yep, that would normally be handled slighly higher up the stack
18:25 jcamins_away     This is truly the WORST INTERFACE EVER!!!
18:25 libsysguy        I agree...man I just thought about how awesome Koha would be in all OOP
18:24 * jcamins_away   does not think $dbh->execute("START TRANSACTION;") would be a good idea in any situation.
18:24 libsysguy_away   abstraction++
18:24 libsysguy_away   ^^ likes this
18:24 jcamins_away     oleonard: not if they were implemented properly, using a DB interface layer.
18:23 oleonard         Would transactions interfere with making Koha more db-agnostic?
18:23 jcamins_away     I thought the old version of Primo was bad, but the new version truly is light years ahead in the badness competition.
18:22 jcamins_away     primo--
18:22 jcamins_away     Wow...
18:22 libsysguy_away   cool**
18:22 libsysguy_away   that would be coo
18:21 jcamins_away     Though I would love to see Koha start taking advantage of transactions.
18:21 jcamins_away     Ah. That would be tricky.
18:21 * wizzyrea       ponders this
18:21 libsysguy_away   i was just going to let wizzyrea know that she can set a delay on her big transactions
18:19 * libsysguy_away also finds this humorous
18:18 * jcamins_away   enjoys the fact that two _away people are talking to each other. :)
18:18 jcamins_away     libsysguy_away: or use start transaction explicitly.
18:18 libsysguy_away   to stop auto-committing right
18:17 libsysguy_away   yeah you have to have that flag set
18:17 jcamins_away     libsysguy_away: MySQL using InnoDB has transactions, but you can't roll back an arbitrary transaction sometime in the past.
18:12 cait             not self made - will save that for weekend
18:12 bg               yeah using commit at 3am makes all the difference :D
18:12 wizzyrea         oh nice
18:12 * cait           had gnocchi for dinner
18:12 * cait           blames wizzyrea
18:11 wizzyrea         I know!
18:11 jcamins_away     wizzyrea: that looks amazing.
18:08 libsysguy_away   oh it does http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/commit.html
18:08 cait             hm I thin it has something
18:07 libsysguy_away   but i don't think mysql has the commit function...
18:06 libsysguy_away   oracle**
18:06 libsysguy_away   well i know how to do it in oracly
18:06 wizzyrea         rather, I did not delete them
18:06 wizzyrea         wasn't me that deleted them :P
18:06 libsysguy_away   aww poor wizzyrea
18:04 wizzyrea         wtg.
18:04 wizzyrea         sigh.
18:04 wizzyrea         someone batch deleted 5 years of people magazine.
18:04 wizzyrea         we have some items that ... how to say
18:03 cait             not sure abou tthe sql
18:03 wizzyrea         cuz uh
18:03 cait             I think you can't do it right now - there is no feature for it
18:03 wizzyrea         has anyone ever done it :P
18:03 wizzyrea         hmm
18:03 cait             in theory yes
18:00 wizzyrea         can one restore items from deleted items?
17:36 nengard          be back
17:36 nengard          time to give an oss webinar
17:34 nengard          for those of you on facebook: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=864287144576&set=a.577417543556.2153273.10518624&type=1&comments  -- bengard is famous :)
17:17 oakivil          got it
17:15 oleonard         oakivil: It's linked to from the Import patrons page: /cgi-bin/koha/tools/import_borrowers.pl
17:13 oakivil          or the downloaded package
17:13 oakivil          not from the internet
17:13 oakivil          I cant find the *.csv template file to import patrons from our existing system
17:12 jwagner          Sometimes it's the thought that counts :-)
17:12 cait             have a nice evening
17:12 paul_p           ok, time to go back home.
17:11 paul_p           jwagner, = just FYI, I don't drink alcohol (I'm ill when I do). but thanks for the virtual gift ;-)
17:08 cait             maybe a little :)
17:08 cait             oh
16:56 oleonard         Yeah, I guess I let that one go a little...
16:56 oleonard         "Your branch and 'origin/master' have diverged, and have 1 and 372 different commit(s) each, respectively."
16:55 rhcl             hi #cait
16:48 cait             hi #koha
16:35 oleonard         In this context stiff = lots of alcohol
16:31 paul_p           stiff ?
16:29 * jwagner        sends paul_p a stiff drink
16:22 paul_p           ouch, something like 10 patches QAed this afternoon... it's really interesting, but need a lot of concentration and i'm exhausted/very tired now !
16:17 kf               bye
15:51 sekjal           okay, starting in on circ/holds practice.  be back later, I think
15:44 * druthb1        waves at Cail at Green Mountain, just because!
15:44 druthb1          hi, Green Mountain!  :D
15:42 nengard          Green Mountain College
15:41 * kf             waves
15:41 oleonard         GMC = GlobalMegaCorp?
15:39 nengard          :) hi GMC!!!
15:39 sekjal           I like that one a lot
15:39 sekjal           oh, no just sharing with our friends at GMC
15:39 nengard          sekjal i meant cause of your choice of quote
15:38 huginn           druthb1: Quote #102: "<druthb> harrrumph!" (added by gmcharlt at 07:42 PM, November 11, 2010)
15:38 druthb1          @quote get 102
15:38 sekjal           I forgot how to use huginn
15:38 nengard          uh oh - rough day sekjal?
15:37 wahanui          thanks druthb1 :)
15:37 druthb1          wahanui: botsnack cookie
15:37 wahanui          hey, druthb1
15:37 druthb1          hi
15:37 kf               hi druthb1 :)
15:36 druthb1          :)
15:36 sekjal           thanks, druthb1!
15:35 huginn           druthb1: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
15:35 druthb1          @quote get 123
15:34 huginn           sekjal: I've exhausted my database of quotes
15:34 sekjal           @quote 123
15:34 huginn           New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5252] Emails & Phones On Patron Add/Edit form <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5252>
15:24 oakivil          hello Koha
15:24 nengard          patch written and sent
15:12 huginn           New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5910] Authorities : allow users to search on all auth types <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5910>
15:06 Agent_Dani       Welcome.
15:05 libsysguy        thanks Agent_Dani
15:05 libsysguy        w00t
15:05 Agent_Dani       /nick [newname]
15:03 libsysguy        like druthb just did
15:03 libsysguy        how do you change your username on the fly
15:03 libsysguy        ok IRC newb question
15:00 Agent_Dani       Huh...sounds like the Bulls game might be a might uncomfortable tonight.
14:59 huginn           Agent_Dani: The current temperature in Rockwood, Durham, North Carolina is 30.1�C (10:51 AM EDT on August 09, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 22.0�C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005.0 hPa (Rising).
14:59 Agent_Dani       @wunder 27707
14:59 druthb           awwww
14:59 * libsysguy      is going to be hot :'(
14:59 huginn           libsysguy: The current temperature in South Central Tyler, TYLER, Texas is 30.2�C (9:58 AM CDT on August 09, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 24.0�C. Pressure: 29.87 in 1011.4 hPa (Steady).  Heat advisory in effect until 8 PM CDT Wednesday... 
14:59 libsysguy        @wunder 75799
14:59 huginn           druthb: The current temperature in http://www.nhpaweather.com, New Holland, Pennsylvania is 24.8�C (10:58 AM EDT on August 09, 2011). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 21.0�C. Pressure: 29.58 in 1001.6 hPa (Falling).
14:58 druthb           @wunder intercourse, PA
14:58 huginn           kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 18.9�C (4:55 PM CEST on August 09, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.14 in 1020.5 hPa (Steady).
14:58 kf               @wunder Konstanz
14:52 nengard          patch coming
14:52 nengard          okay, i'm updating it now
14:51 jwagner          I found reference to http://lists.indexdata.dk/pipermail/yazlist/2006-July/001664.html in the ccl.properties file, but don't understand a word of it...
14:50 jwagner          any z39.50 experts around?  Trying to figure out how to send a search with left-truncation.  001 field has OCLC number which might start with either ocm or ocn -- I want to just send the actual number.
14:49 wizzyrea         (I submit we don't care what kind of phone it is, only that it's the one where we contact the patron)
14:49 wizzyrea         no matter what secondary designation it carries (is it a home/cell/work phone)
14:48 wizzyrea         my opinion is that the number that goes on the slip/receipt is the one that we should favor, and primary/secondary accomplishes that
14:46 paul_p           as most ppl give their mobile as 1st, as it's where you can find them everytime.
14:46 paul_p           mmm... you're probably right.
14:45 nengard          so having primary secondary and other phone would probably be best
14:45 nengard          paul_p my home phone is my mobile phone
14:45 paul_p           s/changes/changed/
14:45 paul_p           I think it can be changes in phone as well (except for mobile, which is clear enough)
14:45 nengard          does anyone object to me changing the phone labels?
14:44 paul_p           because all emails are sent by default to the 1st email. And sometimes, the main email had to be entered as "personal", and it was the school one (so a "professional")
14:44 nengard          yep
14:44 wizzyrea         to primary/secondary
14:44 wizzyrea         we use jquery to change them at NEKLS
14:44 nengard          (which I will if no one objects)
14:44 nengard          and want to do make the same one to the phones
14:44 nengard          I love the change
14:44 nengard          why not the phone labels?
14:43 paul_p           nengard, yes, because we did that ;-)
14:43 nengard          someone changed the email labels on the patron add form to 'primary' and 'secondary' - but didn't do the phone numbers - do we know why?
14:43 paul_p           (/me does QA this -european- afternoon)
14:43 paul_p           well, we work hard, so we don't have time to chat ;-)
14:43 nengard          got a question
14:43 libsysguy        but it looks like everybody perked up
14:43 libsysguy        paul_p: yeah
14:42 druthb           hi, libsysguy!
14:42 paul_p           hi libsysguy what kind of quietness ? on IRC ?
14:42 wizzyrea         hi libsysguy
14:42 nengard          yes very
14:39 * libsysguy      looks around...its quiet today
14:39 Agent_Dani       Hi libsysguy
14:38 libsysguy        morning #Koha
14:37 Barrc            wizzyrea: Me neither! That's the problem.....!
14:37 wizzyrea         i'm not familiar in any significant way with 2.2
14:36 wizzyrea         Barrc: oof, yea, that page really needs some attention.
14:34 nengard          but attach button doesn't do anything for me
14:34 nengard          I can add them after I report, but not on new bugs
14:34 nengard          is anyone having trouble in FF adding attachments to bugs when reporting them?
14:34 Barrc            there is nowhere to run any 'make' or 'make install'. Therefor I can't see how to get the base 3.0 directory structure in place?
14:33 Barrc            I know it going to be stupid but I can't see anywhere on that page where I should actually install the 3.0 files
14:31 wizzyrea         how are you getting hung up?
14:27 Barrc            Does anyone remember doing a 2.2.x upgrade to 3.0? I am following this: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Upgrading_2.2 but something is missing!
14:06 wizzyrea         jcamins: http://budgetbytes.blogspot.com/2011/08/easy-ricotta-gnocchi-258-recipe-065.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+BudgetBytes+%28Budget+Bytes%29
13:59 paul_p           sorry I really need 2 weeks of holiday (atomicupdate)
13:58 paul_p           oleonard, forget my question
13:58 paul_p           was it intended ?
13:58 paul_p           oleonard, about 5438 (ext patron attributes display) = there is no updatedatabase if I'm not wrong.
13:41 wizzyrea         oleonard++ yes, that
13:37 wizzyrea         depends on the day >.>
13:37 oleonard         It's not so much our wisdom as our power of interpretation, like reading a fortune cookie.
13:36 Agent_Dani       Only sometimes?
13:36 wizzyrea         so human wisdom sometimes scares you.
13:36 wizzyrea         the irony is of course that he learns it all from humans. ;)
13:33 Agent_Dani       infobots are good for that.
13:27 wizzyrea         one more system in kansas that is using Koha that still needs to be upgraded to current. :)
13:27 magnuse          yeah...
13:27 kf               sometimes his wisdom scares me
13:25 wahanui          it has been said that one more is better than one less but yeah they should be the same
13:25 magnuse          one more?
13:25 magnuse          yay!
13:24 wizzyrea         only one more to go. :)
13:23 wizzyrea         ckls++
13:23 oleonard         Congratulations to ByWater: http://bywatersolutions.com/2011/08/09/the-central-kansas-library-system-chooses-bywater-solutions-for-koha-support-and-implementation/
12:36 JesseM           hi paul_p
12:36 paul_p           hi JesseM
12:35 JesseM           Hi kf!
12:35 kf               hi JesseM
12:32 kf               and I can stop complaining to people that miss to add sysprefs to all sql files :)
12:32 kf               another cool thing for 3.4
12:31 magnuse          paul_p++ # for signing off
12:21 kf               magnuse++
12:11 magnuse          paul_p: signed off on your followup!
12:09 oleonard         Hi #koha
12:06 NateC            Hi paul_p!
12:06 jwagner          Bonjour paul_p
12:06 paul_p           hello NateC & jwagner . Good morning
12:05 magnuse          paul_p: looking at it now, looks fine
11:58 magnuse          paul_p: cool" a little busy right now, but i'll get to it!
11:58 paul_p           magnuse, if you sign-off my follow-up, we can move to "signed-off" for this one ;-)
11:26 * kf             kf_afk
11:23 kf               we could ask him next time he shows up
11:23 kf               yep
11:22 magnuse          and i think the coop had to endorse the bid before he could be too specific?
11:21 kf               bye rangi
11:20 rangi            have a good day all
11:19 kf               he added a lot of information to the wiki last year
11:19 rangi            ok, time for sleep
11:18 paul_p           UK++ I agree. But a little bit more info from slef would be useful
11:13 druthb           hi, kf and magnuse
11:12 * magnuse        needs some lunch
11:12 magnuse          \o
11:12 kf               hi druthb :)
11:11 druthb           hi, rangi! :D
11:10 rangi            hi druthb
11:10 druthb           o/
11:08 magnuse          time flies...
11:07 kf               hehe
11:02 magnuse          nope
11:01 kf               ah... not that long
10:56 magnuse          1. september
10:56 kf               how long until the deadline runs out? :P
10:50 magnuse          uk++ ;-)
10:50 kf               uk++ :)
10:50 rangi            2009 isnt that long ago
10:49 rangi            nice enough place, im still voting for UK though :)
10:45 rangi            heh
10:45 magnuse          and a car ;-)
10:44 rangi            tahoe is a lake near it
10:44 rangi            no worries, yeah reno is the name of the town
10:43 paul_p           rangi, you're probably right. I missed that Reno Tahoe is the name of the airport. I Apologize
10:22 rangi            those links are relevant to the proposal that they added, im undoing it, and unblocking them
10:21 rangi            paul_p: hmm i dont think jcrockett was spamming
10:17 kf               hehe
10:16 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6537 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , Simplified sysprefs for the web installer
10:16 magnuse          and while we a re filling paul_p's plate there is also bug 6537 ;-)
10:14 * paul_p         head to grab some food for lunch. kf, will look after lunch
10:09 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4831 critical, P1, ---, henridamien, NEW , Actual Price being ignored after receive
10:09 kf               paul_p: meant bug 4831
10:08 kf               ah wrong bug, one second
10:08 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6414 major, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW , actual price not recorded when ordering
10:08 kf               paul_p: could you take a look at bug 6414?
10:07 kf               hmpf
10:07 kf               now I can't find my own bug
10:07 magnuse          nah, just guessing...
10:07 kf               but you are right of course :)
10:06 kf               I am open for nicer pages and messages ;)
10:06 kf               I think that's what happens now if you don't pass the auth test with permissions
10:05 magnuse          but some page saying you don't have access to this basket?
10:04 magnuse          probably not the login page?
10:01 kf               so you could try to access a wrong bug by changing the url but you woudl get to the login page - not being authorized
10:01 kf               so I am going there and will add this to the bug...
10:01 rangi            just like budgets/funds
10:01 kf               ok
10:00 rangi            yes
10:00 kf               would this work?
10:00 rangi            yep
10:00 kf               and this should be checked before you can see the basket?
10:00 kf               to determine if you are allowed to see all baskets or only your own
10:00 kf               but a permission
10:00 kf               I think perhaps it should not be a syspref
10:00 kf               hm speaking not about edgar but about the problem in general
09:58 rangi            edgar-- #no need to be rude to people trying to help
09:56 paul_p           (duen, kf questions are for you, not for me ;-) )
09:55 kf               and client page = opac?
09:55 kf               what is the message you get?
09:55 kf               hi paul_p
09:45 duen             hi paul all shout down
09:44 duen             for my question have any one have an ideas,  I had follow http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Ubuntu with fresh ubuntu 10.10 but it cannot run Admin Page or client page
09:44 paul_p           (hi kf & duen )
09:44 paul_p           computers works poorly without elerctricity, it's right ;-)
09:42 duen             my computer had break because  electricity off
09:42 duen             ok
09:41 * kf             is not eythian but says hi :)
09:40 duen             hi eythian
09:30 kf               hi magnuse
09:30 magnuse          hiya kf
08:30 kf               morning #koha
07:44 magnuse          eythian++ # for being awesome
07:24 magnuse          c ya!
07:24 Irma             ciao all ... talk soon
07:23 Irma             Hope I live up to the expectations ;-)
07:23 druthb           ...and I've been told, Irma, that I should very much look forward to meeting you...so I am!  :)
07:23 paul_p           druthb, I know.
07:23 druthb           It will be good to see you again, paul_p.  I look a little different than I did in plano. :)
07:23 Irma             R&R = rest and recreation
07:22 paul_p           magnuse, right ;-)
07:22 Irma             and hopefully a bit of R&R for the parents ;-)
07:22 magnuse          Irma: KohaCon2011 first, probably? ;-)
07:22 paul_p           Irma, yep
07:22 Irma             paul_p Great place! Your kids must be so excited!
07:22 druthb           paul_p:  Four, is the current plan--me, bg, sekjal, and JesseM
07:22 paul_p           BibLibre=> 3 = me, Francois Charbonnier (librarian, project manager) and Julian Maurice (developer)
07:21 Irma             yes we are going to KohaCon2012
07:21 paul_p           druthb, how many from bywater come to India ?
07:21 druthb           no problem, Irma!  Am I going to get to meet you in India?
07:21 Irma             Merci merci! druthb
07:20 paul_p           hi Irma holiday starts on friday for me. I go here: http://www.saint-avit-loisirs.com/rubrique/Saint%20Avit%20Loisirs/c1f67db90e19525298490326a9a68b55/
07:20 druthb           nope.  Before I was here, I was involved in a number of Horizon->LEKish migrations, but no AmLibs.
07:19 Irma             what about before your time at bywater? druthb
07:18 Irma             Ah ha
07:18 druthb           s/sn/sun/
07:18 druthb           Just about everything else under the sn in the US market, but not that one.
07:18 Irma             thanks druthb
07:18 druthb           Irma:  I've not done an AmLib migration yet, either.
07:17 Irma             thanks magnuse...
07:17 Irma             http://www.amlib.net/products/default.html
07:16 Irma             Actually I would be very interested if anyone has and if they could share some info about the data migration ...
07:16 magnuse          Irma: AmLib? never heard of it... norwegian libraries use norwegian systems almost exclusively...
07:15 druthb           early.  I slept most all afternoon yesterday, so my body is saying "no mores!"
07:15 Irma             magnuse have you done any AmLib conversion to Koha?
07:14 magnuse          that's early, druthb? or late?
07:14 magnuse          \o
07:14 druthb           o/
07:14 magnuse          yay!
07:14 Irma             magnuse so she is returning to London on Friday but it was great to have her here. The lucky girl saw a large whale breaching yesterday ...
07:13 Irma             As tu pris des vacances avec ta famille?
07:12 Irma             hello paul_p Ca Va?
07:12 magnuse          kia ora paul_p
07:12 paul_p           hello every body
07:12 Irma             My eldest daughter is in Sydney visiting
07:11 magnuse          and yerself?
07:11 magnuse          excited that the debian packages are soon about to have translations!
07:10 Irma             Good to "hear"!
07:10 magnuse          fine, thanks!
07:10 Irma             How are you doing?
07:10 Irma             Hi there magnuse :-)
07:10 magnuse          kia ora Irma
06:53 julian           hi #koha
06:23 alex_a           hi #koha
05:32 cait             hi #koha
05:03 eythian          OK. So what isn't working? And what happens when you try it?
05:02 duen             sorry , that http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Ubuntu
05:01 eythian          which page there, there's a lot of documentation on that page.
05:01 duen             fresh ubuntu desktop 10.10
05:00 duen             http://koha-community.org/documentation/
04:59 duen             i follow http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=en&tl=th&u=http%3A%2F%2Fkoha-community.org%2Fdocumentation%2F&anno=2
04:58 eythian          how did you install it? Did you use packages, or did you use the tar.gz download from the site, or did you use git?
04:57 duen             i miss spelling
04:57 eythian          OK, cool
04:56 duen             sorryy 3.4.3 not 3.1.3
04:56 duen             have anyone have ideas to solves this problme
04:56 eythian          the first question is why you would pick a strange version like that. 3.4.3 is the current stable release
04:55 duen             it shown localhost that it works but don't have anything
04:55 duen             i have some problem after install koha3.01.03  on ubuntu 10.10 , it cannot
04:54 duen             hi
04:30 phlunk3          sorry to ask again, but dont suppose anyone is around who knows if I need to rebuild an index or so after updating the setting of "opachiddenitems" to exclude some search results?
04:23 rangi            :) cya
04:22 paulnz           Thanks - will leave you to your routing now. see ya
04:15 paulnz           claps and cheers
04:12 rangi            right i think i fixed it, can you try now please?
04:08 paulnz           yup - just doesn't want to play along
04:02 rangi            thats a weird one alright, no errors, just nothing added
03:57 rangi            cool thanks
03:57 paulnz           free dvd - FDVD code, 1 week no rental charge
03:54 rangi            whats an itemtype you were trying to create?
03:52 paulnz           fair enough
03:50 rangi            dont like to do it when the library is open
03:50 rangi            ill try to do that tonight or tomorrow night
03:50 rangi            yeah, i havent had a chance to poke at the routing again
03:50 paulnz           how about our authentication stuff - still posing some problems?
03:49 paulnz           sounds a familiar story ;)
03:49 rangi            no big issues, a few little queries, but all in all pretty smooth
03:49 paulnz           really - nice one
03:48 rangi            go live today
03:48 paulnz           oh, has it been not quiet?
03:47 rangi            all is quiet at waitaki, so i can do that
03:47 rangi            hmm no, ill have a look tho
03:47 paulnz           any ideas on why i can't create new item types - haven;t had any suggestions via email
03:46 paulnz           wotcher wahanui
03:45 wahanui          salut, paulnz
03:45 paulnz           howdy
03:44 rangi            hi paulnz
03:15 rangi            40 mins
03:15 rangi            http://techcrunch.com/2011/08/08/amazon-ec2-outage/
03:14 rangi            yep its back now
03:09 bg               or maybe it's working for me - is a better statement
03:09 bg               ah it's back up now
03:01 rangi            yep
03:00 eythian          yeah
02:59 phlunk3          ec2 == amazon btw?
02:58 phlunk3          lol
02:57 rangi            lol
02:56 eythian          http://www.stuff.co.nz/oddstuff/5413443/Young-rugby-fan-gets-stuck-in-vending-machine
02:56 rangi            http://koha-community.org/  <-- down
02:56 rangi            seems to be a good chunk o fit
02:53 eythian          like, all of it?
02:48 rangi            crap, ec2 is down
02:09 phlunk3          have now changed the setting properly to exclude a simple column = value, but this doesnt seem to work, do we need to re-index data or so after changing that setting?
01:48 rangi            hmm, not off the top of my head i suspect someone from biblibre could, but they will all be asleep
01:47 phlunk3          hi guys, I am trying to change the setting "opachiddenitems" so that it won't show items 'where  itemcallnumber is like "RES%"' (pretend its sql ? :P). can anyone tell me how to do this with yaml?
01:03 mtj              does the same bug exist without memcached?
01:02 Judit            yes
01:01 mtj              Judit:  is your system running memcached?
00:35 Judit            3.02.09.000
00:34 Judit            rangi suggested to restart the memcache -done, but still the same
00:33 Judit            some should be there/ not showing
00:33 Judit            some which are not there- not supposed to be there
00:32 Judit            it is not showing the correct fields
00:32 Judit            when i go to cataloging
00:32 Judit            but
00:32 Judit            added, removed subfields, changed the hidden status etc
00:32 Judit            i edited a framework
00:31 Judit            i have a nice question here
00:31 Judit            so
00:12 eythian          fighting the fight against thermodynamics
00:11 eythian          in fact, I'm making less things broken.
00:08 Judit            unusual
00:08 Judit            :)
00:07 eythian          certainly not
00:06 Judit            did you break anything recently eythian?
00:06 eythian          hi
00:04 Judit            hullo