Time  Nick                  Message
23:48 nengard               no prob mtj, just hoping someone out there has tested :) my test system doesn't have email enabled so I can't test it to write up what it does
23:48 mtj                   nengard: not sure on that one, sorry :/
23:47 mtj                   phlunk3: pass.. search for a bug in bugzilla - if not, log a bug
23:47 nengard               if so can you give me info on this so I can write it up for the manual?
23:47 nengard               has anyone tested this?
23:47 nengard               where you can subscribe via email to know when a new serial is added to the catalog
23:46 nengard               i just found a new (to me) feature in Koha
23:46 nengard               hello all
22:57 phlunk3               also, an existing template for "labels" no longer works properly, these are meant to have to be updated with the new version or is it a possible bug/human error (they changed it and claimed they didn't)
22:56 rangi                 :)
22:53 phlunk3               yeah I found out they hadn't read the manual after asking u guys ;) thats why I said he's looking into it now haha
22:51 rangi                 cos then you can search over it easy
22:51 rangi                 get them to download the manual as pdf
22:51 rangi                 phlunk3: what i suggest
22:44 mtj                   ah, thats a diff. situ completley
22:43 mtj                   dump out creator_* tables, then load them into yr new db
22:42 phlunk3               haha nah :) its not a prob anyway the guy who asked me is looking into it. They just don't know how to create labels or so.
22:42 mtj                   something easy like that...?
22:41 mtj                   $ mysql my-new-koha < foo.sql
22:41 mtj                   phlunk3:  $ mysqldump my_table > foo.sql
22:18 phlunk3               hi guys, after upgrade of version we went from creating labels for patrons and items in the same system to a split system, however templates from the old install were only carried over to patron card creation, can someone tell me the method for copying these templates over to the item card creator?
22:11 cait                  good night all
22:05 libsysguy             i think it is because there is an update in updatedatabase.pl
22:00 huginn`               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5079 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, tdavis, ASSIGNED , Make display of shelving location and call number in XSLT results controlled by sysprefs
22:00 libsysguy             so i was trying to apply bug 5079 but after i resolve the conflict i can't see the correct changes
21:47 cait                  no capitals so far
21:46 wahanui1              cait is kf or a programmer or really sweet or a source of great chocolate or the purveyor of an infinite supply of virtual cookies or not sure we need the page(s)... but that might just be me
21:46 bg                    cait?
21:46 bg                    heh
21:46 bg                    hhe
21:46 wahanui1              I LIKE BREAKFAST BURRITOS AND I LOVE BASEBALL
21:46 cait                  bg?
21:45 huginn`               bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 27.0�C (2:44 PM PDT on August 02, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 29.84 in 1010.4 hPa (Falling).
21:45 bg                    @wunder 93109
21:41 huginn`               cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 16.9�C (11:40 PM CEST on August 02, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014.1 hPa (Falling).
21:41 cait                  @wunder Konstanz
21:14 rangi                 yup
21:14 cait                  time flies :(
21:14 rangi                 feature freeze sept 22
21:14 cait                  oh so soon
21:14 jcamins_away          Thanks.
21:14 rangi                 of oct
21:13 rangi                 2 weeks out from the 22nd
21:12 jcamins_away          rangi: when's the string freeze for 3.6?
21:12 druthb                yes?
21:11 cait                  libsysguy?
21:11 cait                  hm
21:11 cait                  druthb?
21:00 libsysguy             let the conflict resolving begin
21:00 libsysguy             i got it :D
21:00 libsysguy             oh wait
21:00 libsysguy             soundcloud never lets me stram
20:59 rangi                 http://soundcloud.com/mustard-pimp/the-subs-dont-stop-mustard
20:58 rangi                 oh i have something for that
20:58 * libsysguy           needs some git conflict resolving music
20:58 libsysguy             rangi: you never fail with the awesome dubstep music
20:56 rangi                 (rfp response writing music)
20:56 rangi                 libsysguy: http://soundcloud.com/playmerecords/drop-goblin-dubstep-believe-it
20:55 sekjal                okay, goodnight you silly, silly Koha people... :)
20:55 bg                    :)
20:55 bg                    sweet - happy with that
20:55 rangi                 done
20:55 bg                    heh
20:54 wahanui1              I LIKE BREAKFAST BURRITOS AND I LOVE BASEBALL
20:54 rangi                 bg?
20:54 * druthb              rolls her eyes at bg
20:54 bg                    nice
20:54 rangi                 or LOVE BASEBALL
20:54 bg                    ;)
20:54 bg                    it should be I LIKE BASEBALL
20:54 bg                    nice...
20:54 bg                    heh
20:53 wahanui1              I LIKE BREAKFAST BURRITOS
20:53 rangi                 bg?
20:53 bg                    YAY!
20:53 bg                    bg?
20:53 druthb                be durned.  it doesn't know anything.
20:52 druthb                druthb?
20:52 * druthb              is almost afraid to ask...
20:52 bg                    brilliant
20:52 wahanui1              I CRUNCH DATA
20:52 bg                    talljoy?
20:52 bg                    oh wow - know it's three that I LIKE
20:52 bg                    I love those two
20:52 wahanui1              I LIKE SPACE!
20:52 bg                    NateC?
20:52 wahanui1              I CRUNCH DATA
20:52 druthb                talljoy?
20:52 bg                    that and NateC?
20:50 huginn`               rangi: Quote #146: "rangi: when I was at brendans house we went to the farmers market and bought lots of almonds which I had to eat on the plane, cos can't bringthem into nz, so I was offering ppl nuts on the plane. cait: makes sense rangi: if its sensible for a crazy nzer to be waving almonds in ur face at 3am, then yes" (added by wizzyrea at 08:03 PM, July 28, 2011)
20:50 rangi                 @quote get 146
20:49 libsysguy             ^^ that never gets old
20:49 wahanui1              I LIKE ALMONDS! HAVE SOME NUTS!
20:49 bg                    rangi?
20:49 libsysguy             ok cool
20:48 sekjal                I plan on spending some time testing this xsl:key theory and seeing if it can be made to do the things my testing library expects
20:48 libsysguy             thanks sekjal
20:48 libsysguy             ok
20:47 sekjal                at this point, I say pull the patches from Bugzilla as they are, and use them from there
20:47 sekjal                right
20:47 libsysguy             but i can just go back and snag them as a patch and apply them
20:47 libsysguy             but i wanted to have them in place before we launch on the 15th
20:47 libsysguy             i was jw because i accidentally deleted my changes and was just going to snag them from master
20:46 libsysguy             so you're going to hold off on what I have until you have a chance to look at it
20:46 libsysguy             gotcha
20:45 sekjal                it was sort of 'halfway'
20:45 sekjal                my patch doesn't meet all their needs
20:45 sekjal                I think
20:45 sekjal                <xsl:key name="item-by-callnumber-and-location" match="items:item" use="concat(items:callnumber, ' ', items.location)"/>
20:45 libsysguy             but i don't want to tinker with it if you've already got a working patch
20:44 libsysguy             XSLT is a tricky one
20:44 sekjal                I think the trick is to XSLT-key on callnumber+location, instead of status
20:44 libsysguy             so anyway...you patched that?
20:43 libsysguy             hmm
20:43 libsysguy             right
20:43 sekjal                so the location + callnumber was repeated twice, once in green and once in red
20:43 libsysguy             ahh so since there was one checked out it showed them all as checked out?
20:43 sekjal                in this case, one volume was checked out, and 4 were checked in, but they all had the same callnumber and location
20:42 libsysguy             how can an item be checked in and checked out?
20:42 libsysguy             maybe i didn't have an example of that
20:42 sekjal                hmmm.  the library that's using it found that seeing the same shelving location/callnumber combo for both checked in and checked out items looked "bad" to them
20:41 libsysguy             and in that ticket i think it said they wanted to show the call number regardless of status
20:40 libsysguy             but the call number is in the location
20:40 sekjal                and, locations aren't really needed for Checked out, Lost, Withdrawn, Damaged, On Hold or In Transit items
20:40 libsysguy             ...it was a bug prior to my ticket
20:40 libsysguy             nengard was talking about that
20:40 libsysguy             right
20:40 sekjal                the gist:  the Location line is showing if there are no copies available, so in that case it's always blank
20:39 sekjal                yes, I've not gotten to updating the ticket yet
20:39 libsysguy             i didn't see anything in the ticket
20:38 libsysguy             you said you had some changes to merge with it?
20:38 sekjal                sure
20:38 libsysguy             can i ask you about my patch that you have implemented in a couple of places
20:38 sekjal                libsysguy: for a little while longer
20:37 libsysguy             sekjal: you around?
20:33 rangi                 cool, ill just say no, we dont support i
20:32 * oleonard            is off
20:32 druthb                I've heard the term, rangi.   was bandied around as a next-generation z39.50 implementation, but I don't know if it ever got past the study phase.
20:31 huginn`               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6640 normal, P5, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , locations not showing in circ reports
20:31 oleonard              It should fix Bug 6640
20:31 rangi                 anyone ever heard of ZING as a library related standard?
20:30 rangi                 dont think so
20:29 oleonard              I've got a patch ready for testing, just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something
20:29 rangi                 if you want to try a couple and make sure it does work the way you think it should
20:29 rangi                 i can script sed to do a mass change
20:28 oleonard              :|
20:28 rangi                 im prepared to believe that
20:27 oleonard              Although that's a bad example, because a default "" is dumb.
20:27 oleonard              [% ORDER_LOO.ordervalue or "" %] ?
20:27 wahanui1              i already had it that way, oleonard.
20:27 oleonard              As far as I can tell that is wrong. Should be:
20:27 oleonard              [% DEFAULT ORDER_LOO.ordervalue="" %]
20:27 oleonard              rangi: I'm seeing this construction in several places in the templates:
20:26 * druthb              thinks that she and talljoy fit together like peanut butter n jelly.  :)
20:25 talljoy_crunchingdata lol....was just saying...
20:25 oleonard              Recursive druthb is recursive.
20:25 rangi                 and who specifically ask her not to use MS Office :)
20:25 druthb                oleonard: better--I brought her all the way into the community, where her brilliance can be appreciated by...erm...people who will appreciate her.
20:25 gmcharlt              talljoy_crunchingdata: indeed, just seems to ring a bell
20:25 talljoy_crunchingdata why is that.........
20:24 talljoy_crunchingdata rangi: that job sounds so familiar.........
20:24 oleonard              OMG, druthb disappeared someone just for crossing her!
20:23 * druthb              loox innocent; she didn't have *anything* to do with that sudden vacancy at Amigos, no ma'am....
20:22 oleonard              I was just about to say the same thing :)
20:22 rangi                 this makes me giggle "Must be proficient in MS Office Suite and have programming skills associated with Koha system:
20:22 rangi                 talljoy_crunchingdata: ^^ :)
20:21 rangi                 http://joblist.ala.org/modules/jobseeker/controller.cfm?rssjobid=17679#.TjgVE827Cho.twitter
20:21 * cait                waves
19:57 rangi                 my bus stop
19:57 rangi                 ill look soon
19:57 rangi                 nope
19:57 oleonard              rangi:  Did you see my question above about template variable default values?
19:50 sekjal                hershey is kinda creepy... very Utopian
19:49 rangi                 13 years ago
19:49 rangi                 hmm 25 even
19:49 rangi                 thats when I was there
19:49 rangi                 or 26 year olds
19:48 talljoy_crunchingdata coloring, chocolate, crappy food
19:48 talljoy_crunchingdata like heaven for kids.
19:48 rangi                 iirc
19:48 rangi                 and the crayola factory
19:48 druthb                yup
19:48 rangi                 the McDonald university is near there somewhere
19:47 rangi                 ah yep been to both lancaster and hershey too
19:47 talljoy_crunchingdata mmmmm chocolate
19:46 druthb                we're a little farther east than that, near Lancaster.  We'd like to see Hershey while we're here.
19:45 rangi                 cool :)
19:45 rangi                 I found that a pretty amazing place to visit
19:45 druthb                There's a farm across the fence from us, where we've watched a Mennonite man pulling some sort of ancient gasoline-powered implement behind two horses all day.. :)
19:44 rangi                 if u haven't already
19:44 rangi                 you going to go see gettysburg?
19:44 rangi                 awesome
19:40 druthb                yes!  We left Philadelphia yesterday.  I'm loving it out here in the Amish country
19:39 rangi                 heya ruth, first day of freedom?
19:39 druthb                hi, rangi!
19:38 rangi                 morning
19:34 talljoy_crunchingdata tasty data....
19:17 rhcl_away             I'm listening to Little China Girl (Davie Bowie). Sounds really good on my Ubuntu netbook w/ Banshee (earphones). No crunching here.
19:08 cait                  oh :)
19:07 * oleonard            is listening to talljoy_crunchingdata
19:07 cait                  crunching?
19:04 huginn`               jwagner: The current temperature in Hollywood, College Park, Maryland is 34.2�C (3:03 PM EDT on August 02, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: 17.0�C. Pressure: 29.75 in 1007.3 hPa (Steady).
19:04 jwagner               @wunder 20740
19:00 huginn`               bg: The current temperature in West Juneau, Juneau, Alaska is 12.9�C (10:53 AM AKDT on August 02, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016.5 hPa (Steady).
19:00 bg                    @wunder 99801
19:00 bg                    this will cheer you up..
18:57 * oleonard            can't concentrate with all the crunching!
18:51 oleonard              Although that's a bad example, because a default "" is dumb.
18:51 oleonard              [% ORDER_LOO.ordervalue or "" %] ?
18:50 oleonard              As far as I can tell that is wrong. Should be:
18:50 oleonard              [% DEFAULT ORDER_LOO.ordervalue="" %]
18:50 oleonard              I'm seeing this construction in several places in the templates:
18:47 oleonard              rangi awake yet?
17:38 kmkale                good night
17:33 huginn`               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6634 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED , manager_id not populated when paying fines
17:33 sekjal                does anyone have a second to give a third set of eyes to bug 6634?  I'd like a non-ByWater opinion before pushing it through QA
16:38 cait                  lol
16:36 libsysguy             american bees are too fat to make noise
16:35 cait                  bssssss perhaps
16:35 cait                  not sure how german bees do
16:35 cait                  lol
16:34 paul_p                I love BZ. I see a bee everytime I read bz ... (because french bees do bzzzzz you know ;-) )
16:33 cait                  I meant redoing the first patch and adding the new
16:33 cait                  although I will do it using git bz ;)
16:33 paul_p                (no need to create a new branch every time)
16:33 paul_p                git am -3 NEWPATCH
16:33 cait                  I know that
16:33 paul_p                git reset --hard HEAD~1
16:33 paul_p                git checkout YOURBRANCH
16:33 cait                  I only saw owen's message
16:33 cait                  sorry
16:33 cait                  ah
16:32 cait                  and you did no follow up but adding to the patch, so I have to create a new branch
16:32 paul_p                cait, the 5872 ? just rebased it 10mn ago !
16:32 cait                  paul_p: I think it needs to be rebased now :(
16:32 cait                  have to finish up my slides and notes
16:31 * paul_p              now level 5 enchanter... I suspect chris adds too much CHA and INT, i'm already 18 in both ;-)
16:31 cait                  after that I hope to have more time
16:31 cait                  travelling for a workshop and presentation tomorrow
16:31 cait                  confused bugs
16:31 cait                  ah
16:31 cait                  the problem I didn#t start on tha tis language
16:31 paul_p                bye cait. Feel free to work on 5872 too !
16:29 cait                  :)
16:29 cait                  following your path through bugzilla right now
16:29 cait                  bye paul
16:28 paul_p                (& ladies)
16:28 paul_p                see you tomorrow morning guys
16:28 paul_p                ok, time to go back home. I'm tired. read & did something on more than 80 bugs today...
16:14 huginn`               New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 2809] Some search problems <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2809>
16:06 paul_p                oleonard, look at comment 23 = git submodule update --init
16:04 oleonard              I'm looking at the page and the files are not found.
16:03 oleonard              paul_p: Is there some other step I need to take after applying the patch to get the jeditable plugin?
16:03 huginn`               New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5312] XHTML correction in authority summary <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5312>
15:51 oleonard              I see you've gone ahead and added jqueryUI as a dependency
15:49 paul_p                (but that's another question)
15:49 paul_p                in fact, I think it's so handy that we should use this for all of jquery sources !
15:48 paul_p                so you'll distribute the tar.gz exactly as you do today
15:48 paul_p                oleonard, there was a discussion between chris & hdl, it was mainly on distributing the releases, but it's not a problem : on your computer you've the code, not the .gitmodule link
15:47 oleonard              Wasn't there a disagreement about whether it was appropriate to use that mechanism?
15:47 paul_p                better than having the plugin embedeed = if a new version is provided, we will just have to update the .gitmodule, and it will be updated
15:47 paul_p                oleonard, it's a link to automatically retrieve the jquery extension used in smart-rules
15:46 oleonard              paul_p: What is .gitmodules?
15:41 huginn`               New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5872] Enhancements to circulation (see comment 23 for details) <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5872>
15:37 oleonard              Thanks paul_p
15:37 paul_p                oleonard, rebased & resubmitted, you can try again ;-)
15:31 paul_p                oleonard, on my way to rebase 5872
15:31 huginn`               New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 4221] defaultSortField & OPACdefaultSortField non functioning <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4221>
15:30 * druthb              runs off for a lunchtime nap.
15:28 druthb                I missed it horribly; I love what I do, a lot.
15:28 kmkale                good to hear that :)
15:27 druthb                getting there.  ramping back up.
15:27 kmkale                back to the grind?
15:27 druthb                I'm great, kmkale!
15:27 kmkale                how are you?
15:26 kmkale                heya druthb
15:11 * druthb              fears what libsysguy is doing to his poor data.
15:08 libsysguy             gotcha
15:08 jcamins_away          Write a Perl script to do it if you don't want to export.
15:08 jcamins_away          Personally, there is *no* circumstance, in which I would do a bulk edit of marc records using SQL.
15:08 libsysguy             ok
15:08 jcamins_away          Yes.
15:07 libsysguy             then re-import right?
15:07 libsysguy             but we'd have to export all of the records that are electronic
15:07 libsysguy             well that is what i said
15:06 jcamins_away          libsysguy: I'd use MarcEdit.
15:05 libsysguy             i've never done a Marc based sql query
15:05 libsysguy             does anybody know if it would be possible to move 050a into 952o for only a certain item type?
14:59 huginn`               New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 4376] A minor change in the “GetMarcAuthors” function of C4/Biblio.pm would allow differentiate the type of authors in the templates <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4376>
14:14 wahanui1              sekjal was last seen on #koha 17 hours, 31 minutes and 52 seconds ago, saying: I'm planning on it [Mon Aug  1 20:41:46 2011]
14:14 libsysguy             seen sekjal
13:59 libsysguy             Hi magnuse :D
13:58 magnuse               morning libsysguy
13:50 libsysguy             morning #Koha
13:45 tcohen                oleonard: some change in the templates that makes the browser introduce ISO characters instead of UTF(?
13:37 tcohen                in a script I published some time ago I used a pattern for treating those errors
13:37 oleonard              There must be a reason why this is coming up so frequently now. What has changed?
13:37 tcohen                that error raises when MARC::Record has problems with a record
13:29 kf_lunch              I have seen that myself, but not sure what the reasons were :(
13:28 kf_lunch              this is one of the error messages that keep occuring
13:28 oleonard              It sounds to me like someone ought to. But I don't know the cause of it myself.
13:21 tcohen                s/wo/to/
13:20 tcohen                oleonard, do u need someone wo work on error catching?
13:18 oleonard              This "Can't call method "subfield" on an undefined value" problem is out of hand. Second email to the Koha list in as many days with the same problem.
13:01 paul_p                Call_of_duty-- = Nightmare_for_parents
13:01 paul_p                probably true.
13:00 oleonard              By the time my son is old enough to play shooters it'll probably be too antiquated for his tastes
13:00 oleonard              paul_p: We got an xbox so that we could play Kinect games
12:57 paul_p                (was expecting our 2 first sons to play together. But they never do :((( )
12:57 paul_p                (it was my idea, shame on me...)
12:56 paul_p                oleonard, my suggestion = never accept a xbox or a ps3 in your home (a wii is OK, the games are sightly different). Since there's a xbox at home, Simon want only playing with it. We made an epic fail with the xbox :\
12:15 oleonard              Ah, something I have to look forward to :)
12:15 paul_p                (Simon is now 16... we have teenagers parents problems now ;-) )
12:15 paul_p                in fact, it's not true : now, our 1st son awake us at 2AM or 4AM, when he does too much noise when going to bed after a late xbox game...
12:14 paul_p                lol, i'm ahead from this now ( /me feels old suddenly)
12:13 oleonard              paul_p: That's nothing. Sometimes my kids help me got to bed three or four times in the same night!
12:13 kf_lunch              next 2 meetings will be better
12:12 magnuse               heh
12:11 * paul_p              went back to bed after the irc meeting, was really good to go to bed twice in the same night ;-)
12:10 paul_p                hi oleonard
12:09 * kf_lunch            hands oleonard a cookie
12:08 oleonard              It has been far too few hours since I was here last.
11:42 * magnuse             agrees with stephen fry http://twitter.com/#!/stephenfry/status/98282409811906560/photo/1 ;-)
11:25 druthb                Hi, magnuse and Oak and Agent_Dani!
11:25 Agent_Dani            Hi druthb
11:25 magnuse               Oak
11:24 Oak                   magnuse
11:24 Oak                   hello druthb :)
11:24 magnuse               \o
11:24 druthb                :)
11:23 kf_lunch              night rangi
11:23 magnuse               night rangi
11:23 rangi                 night all
11:23 rangi                 hmm i should sleep
11:21 rangi                 that is edited to get rid of all the marc numbers, and remove a lot of fields
11:21 rangi                 you can achieve the same, with a acquisitions framework
11:20 Ropuch                Me neither [;
11:20 rangi                 nope its gone
11:20 kf_lunch              but not sure, I never used it
11:20 kf_lunch              hm I doubt it
11:19 Ropuch                There was something like 'simple aquisition' mode in previous koha, is it still here?
11:14 paul_p_               laptop freezed during lunch. Nothing seen since 12:47 on #koha
10:48 Ropuch                rangi: yup, just from the start
10:46 rangi                 heh
10:46 kf_lunch              now you get xp for helping on irc ;)
10:46 rangi                 yay, i was on the right track :)
10:46 Ropuch                rangi: the problem was within sysprefs.sql in pl-PL installer directory, after replacing it with english one all is working fine
10:45 Ropuch                I don't even remeber why I switched from gtranslator to Lokalize
10:43 rangi                 http://userbase.kde.org/Lokalize
10:41 kf_lunch              we are here to help :)
10:41 Ropuch                Just need to re-learn few thing myself [;
10:41 magnuse               yay!
10:41 Ropuch                I guess I will, since I;m back on the koha road ;>
10:41 magnuse               http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Translating_Koha might be a good place for it
10:40 kf_lunch              Ropuch: you should put that on the wiki :)
10:39 Ropuch                Like 5 lines of python code
10:39 Ropuch                I remeber having small script to just open new tab in geany with highlighted line after click in link in lokalize
10:39 druthb                Hi, paul!  Hi kf!
10:38 magnuse               Ropuch: looks interesting!
10:38 kf_lunch              hi druthb
10:38 paul_p                hi druthb. Good morning
10:38 magnuse               \o
10:38 druthb                O/
10:36 Ropuch                magnuse: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/l10n-kde4/scripts/lokalize/ - it's opensrc script
10:30 Ropuch                magnuse: hm, I'm back to koha after quite long time, let me dig it ;?>
10:27 magnuse               paul_p: :-)
10:27 huginn`               paul_p: The operation succeeded.
10:27 paul_p                @later tell oleonard (kidding ;-) )
10:27 magnuse               Ropuch: that sounds interesting, is it documented somewhere?
10:27 huginn`               paul_p: The operation succeeded.
10:27 paul_p                @later tell oleonard owen, you should change your appearance on chorewars = you've choosen the same as Magnus, and really, Magnus look like this ! really !
10:18 Ropuch                kf_lunch: you can set up localize to use links in .po files and shows a translated text in context with just one click [;
10:09 Judit                 bon apetite
10:08 Judit                 bedtime for me
10:08 kf                    ok, lunch time - will be back later
10:08 kf                    but if you don't it will look a bit strange in the end :)
10:08 kf                    so if you know that, it's easy
10:08 Judit                 i see
10:08 kf                    and don't copy the acquisitions.pref... part
10:08 kf                    you only translate cataloging the record
10:07 kf                    for example: acquisitions.pref#AcqCreateItem# cataloging the record.
10:07 kf                    http://translate.koha-community.org/de/34/de-DE-pref.po/translate/?unit=569743
10:07 Judit                 such as..
10:07 kf                    there are some things that are good to know before starting
10:06 kf                    before you start the syspref file, check how it's done for other languages
10:06 Judit                 for now:)
10:06 kf                    no other advice for now :)
10:06 kf                    no
10:05 kf                    hm
10:05 kf                    opac-tmpl/prog/en/xslt/compact.xsl:32 - xslt file - cryptic, copy over
10:05 Judit                 any other advice?
10:04 Judit                 :)
10:04 kf                    you can sometimes see the files where it's coming from and guess
10:04 Judit                 oh
10:04 kf                    thre is no way currently :(
10:02 Judit                 would be easier if i see it too
10:01 Judit                 how do i see it in context?
10:01 Judit                 that i wanted to ask
10:01 kf                    when you see it in context
10:01 kf                    you can correct later
10:01 kf                    there are some things form the xslt files that look quite cryptic, when in doubt copy
10:00 Judit                 any other suggestions are welcome
10:00 Judit                 oky
10:00 kf                    translate only the words
10:00 kf                    copy them over
10:00 kf                    some things are code or placeholders like %s
10:00 Judit                 that makes sense:)
10:00 kf                    if you choose 'Quick translate' on the trsnalte page it will bring you to where you have stopped translating
09:59 kf                    start at the beginning and work towards the end
09:59 kf                    http://translate.koha-community.org/hu/34/hu-HU-i-opac-t-prog-v-3002000.po/translate/
09:59 Judit                 how do you start with opac
09:58 kf                    and not so librarian specific - because you want users to understand it :)
09:58 Judit                 okay
09:58 kf                    it's small compared to intranet
09:58 Judit                 the problem is that i am not librarian, so i dont know the terminology
09:58 kf                    and opac is a good way to start
09:57 Judit                 i guess i should start woth 3.4 then :)
09:57 Judit                 well
09:57 Judit                 a
09:57 kf                    terminology is not used in koha
09:57 kf                    ignore 3.2, start working on 3.4
09:57 Judit                 it is, but i would prefer to start with terminology
09:56 kf                    what I would do
09:56 kf                    ah,I see it is
09:56 kf                    is hungarian already available on pootle?
09:56 wahanui1              hmmm... unfortunately is is also 11:23pm on Friday where danmc is too ;)
09:56 Judit                 unfortunately
09:56 Judit                 hungarian- i dont speak any other
09:55 kf                    which langauge do you want to work on?
09:55 Judit                 i just dont know how to start
09:55 kf                    so it's the same as english
09:54 kf                    and nominieren in German means suggest someone
09:54 Judit                 i know the mailing list thanks
09:54 kf                    there is also a mailing list - koha-translate
09:54 kf                    Judit: fredericd is translation manager, but you can ask on channel too
09:52 rangi                 :)
09:51 Ropuch                Ow, managed to 4 errors in pl installer files, now I need to learn git once more and submit a patch for  it ;>
09:47 rangi                 nice writeup
09:46 rangi                 http://www.libraryjournal.com/lj/home/891475-264/nonprofit_brings_open_source_ils.html.csp
09:37 Ropuch                I think I'll reinstall once again with pl and all sample data selected
09:36 Ropuch                Huh, that's strange
09:35 rangi                 *nod*
09:35 * magnuse             would like to get it out of the way...
09:35 rangi                 magnuse: no hurry
09:34 rangi                 Judit: fredericd is translation manager
09:34 magnuse               huh? ah yes, i'll try to get the sysprefs thing done this weekend. but it will break older patches that add/edit sysprefs...
09:32 Judit                 rangi is there anyone responsible for translations of koha? who i can ask like 1000questions
09:32 Ropuch                Huh, I'm making lots of typos today, guess it's time for coffee
09:32 Ropuch                I don't mind englsih intranet, but I'm trying to set up a demo  installation for my friend and I'm sure english marc21 form will scare her ;>
09:30 rangi                 thank you
09:30 Ropuch                rangi: I'll try to investigate it [;
09:30 rangi                 if you dont, thats fine, ill try to do it sometime tomorrow
09:29 rangi                 Ropuch: if you have time, can you do one with polish, and hten just have a look in the db .. check the table is ok?
09:29 rangi                 its just the installer that needs a separate one
09:29 rangi                 because we only need one, since the translations for them are done with .po and .pref files now
09:28 rangi                 we wont have separate language files for sysprefs
09:28 rangi                 soon, after magnuse fixes it :)
09:28 Ropuch                I mean adding patron category
09:28 rangi                 because its the .pref files that actually matter
09:28 Ropuch                Ok, after selecting en in 1 step of wen installer everything lokks ok
09:27 rangi                 it doesnt need to be
09:27 Ropuch                Polish sysprefs looks like it hasn't been translated actually ;>
09:26 rangi                 i wonder why it thinks its ''
09:26 rangi                 hmm that looks ok, set to us by default
09:25 * rangi               looks
09:25 rangi                 what value is set for dateformat in the polish sysprefs?
09:23 rangi                 i wonder if the date format is the issue/
09:23 rangi                 $row->{newdate} = format_date($row->{newdate});
09:21 Ropuch                Let me set up new koha without polish language selcted in installer
09:21 rangi                 ta
09:21 Ropuch                It was 156
09:20 rangi                 does it give you a line number of /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/NewsChannels.pm ?
09:20 Ropuch                Let's see
09:20 Ropuch                I switched sysprefs.sql in pl-PL direcotry with english one
09:17 rangi                 looks like maybe the language syspref doesnt exist?
09:16 Ropuch                I'll look into it then
09:16 rangi                 i suspect the polish sysprefs file then
09:15 rangi                 ahh i thought you hadnt done that
09:15 rangi                 yep
09:15 Ropuch                Only thing I can think of is adding polsih translation before running web installer
09:15 rangi                 @languages = split ",", C4::Context->preference("language");
09:14 Ropuch                And it all starts with Use of uninitialized value in split at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Templates.pm line 182. (and line 190) in koha-error.log
09:14 rangi                 weird, ive never seen that
09:13 Ropuch                It's not only categories, I've made a fresh one this time with sample categories etc, and after that I was unable to get the intranet login page due to "The format you asked for ('') is unrecognized. at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/NewsChannels.pm"
09:12 rangi                 when you go to add one, does it have a list of category types?
09:11 rangi                 who can all add categories
09:11 rangi                 must have missed something in the installer, we have quite a few clients running 3.4.x
09:10 Ropuch                Uh, I'm falling back to 3.02
09:09 Ropuch                Nominated means chosen by someone else
09:09 Ropuch                In polsih there's no such thing like 'self nomination'
09:08 rangi                 depending on context
09:08 rangi                 so it can kinda mean both in english, someone has chosen you, or youve chosen yourself :)
09:07 Ropuch                Oh, in that way
09:07 rangi                 you can self nominate too
09:07 Ropuch                < paul_p> in english = you apply to be elected - is it wrong, then
09:06 rangi                 in english
09:06 rangi                 to stand for election
09:06 rangi                 normally someone nominates you
09:05 Ropuch                Good to know english 'nomination' is different [;
09:05 Ropuch                In polish 'nomination' has same meaning as in french
09:03 paul_p                and I know understand why I was not understanding "nomination sep 22, vote oct IRC meeting" !!!
09:02 rangi                 yep, quite different
09:02 paul_p                hi kmkale_a / kmkale !
09:02 paul_p                in english = you apply to be elected. in french = you've been choosen
09:01 * paul_p              just discover the difference between "nomination" in english and "nomination" in french...
09:01 paul_p                thanks a lot
09:01 paul_p                rangi++
08:48 rangi                 bugzilla uses template toolkit, so i just edited the template
08:48 rangi                 try now
08:41 rangi                 looking now
08:37 paul_p                I tried to remove as many columns as possible, the "summary" space is growing, but not the version column :(
08:36 paul_p                sorry, yep, bugzilla
08:36 rangi                 you talking about bugzilla?
08:35 paul_p                (murphy's law...)
08:35 kf                    paul_p: I got some more, but not enough
08:35 paul_p                (what i'm looking is the last digit, unfortunatly !)
08:35 paul_p                do you have a solution to display everything ?
08:35 paul_p                I try to add the "version" column to my search results, and get only the 5 first digits. So rel_3_0, rel_3_2, rel_... are all displayed as rel_3
08:35 rangi                 yup
08:34 paul_p                rangi, around ?
08:31 Ropuch                And the koha-error.log looks like http://pastebin.com/KZE3Gx4L
08:26 Ropuch                kf: yup, english templates
08:24 paul_p                hi back rangi
08:24 paul_p                (I could & arrive at office at almost 10)
08:24 rangi                 back
08:24 paul_p                hi kf Could you get some more sleep ?
08:23 kf                    ropuch: english templates?
08:23 Ropuch                I'm working on fresh 3.04.03 install, I have installed close to none samplke values and whilke trying to create new patron category I get The format you asked for ('') is unrecognized. at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/admin/categorie.pl line 103
08:18 kf                    hi paul_p
08:13 paul_bed              hello again #koha
08:10 huginn`               New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5872] Enhancements to circulation (see comment 23 for details) <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5872>
08:08 davi                  I am taking note for the next one, at September
08:07 davi                  I was not able to attend last night meeting
08:07 davi                  Morning
07:31 kf                    :)
07:29 kf                    morning Ropuch
07:27 Ropuch                hi kf [;
07:26 wahanui1              hello, clrh
07:26 clrh                  hello
07:18 kf                    Oak
07:18 Oak                   kf
07:17 kf                    hi #koha
07:13 Judit1                it also reminds me when my brother 'fixes' something
07:13 Oak                   :D
07:12 Ropuch                ;>
07:11 magnuse               heh
07:10 Judit1                http://xkcd.com/349/
07:07 sophie_m              hello #koha
07:03 Ropuch^               Morning #koha
06:45 julian                hello magnuse
06:45 magnuse               bonjour julian
06:43 cait                  morning julian
06:42 julian                hi #koha
06:32 * magnuse             reads the log from the meeting and is impressed with all the europeans who attended...
06:32 magnuse               guten morgen cait
06:30 cait                  morning magnuse
06:28 magnuse               morning #koha
06:24 alex_a                hello #koha
06:13 Judit1                morning
06:13 cait                  morning #koha
06:12 Judit1                thanks!
06:12 * rangi               has to go now back after kids asleep
06:12 rangi                 if so, its not memcached
06:11 rangi                 does that show?
06:11 rangi                 if u add a new subfield
06:11 rangi                 ah well ur out of luck if thats the problem then
06:11 Judit1                have no access to server
06:10 rangi                 if so, give that a restart
06:10 rangi                 Judit1: is the server running memcached?
06:04 Judit1                i even have some cases where i set the subfield to show, and itis not showing
06:02 Judit1                3.2
06:02 Judit1                yes i am using the correct framework
06:02 Judit1                i set the subfield to ignore, but it is still showing when i want to add a biblio
06:02 Judit1                marc framework
06:02 Judit1                all ready? here it comes
06:02 Judit1                i have a question
04:52 paulnz                gotta go
04:49 paulnz                ok, will discuss with rangi once your rough schedule comes out
04:43 kmkale                ok bbl
04:41 * Oak                 waves
04:40 kmkale                let me make a rough schedule and send out on the lists for discussion ok?
04:40 kmkale                that plus the existing papers plus the panel discussions will fill up the schedule nicely i think
04:39 kmkale                paulnz: let me know so I can create one more slot
04:39 Brooke                yeah, I'ma be a lazy kiwi and log before 5.
04:38 jransom               ok folks i am closing this distraction down and going to write
04:36 kmkale                ok rangi, i will create a slot
04:34 kmkale                sure paulnz you can still let me know the length of the video and url etc
04:34 * Brooke              is thinking it's a matter of time before she bogarts part of that platform for American Indian stuff.
04:34 Brooke                <3 it
04:34 Brooke                want it
04:34 Brooke                yes
04:33 rangi                 http://stats.workbuffer.org/maori_floss/html/index.html
04:33 rangi                 how about
04:33 paulnz                kmkale - was thinking more of not realtime contribution
04:31 kmkale                rangi: if you can let me know the subject of your talk, I will create a placeholder abstract so that its easier when we do the scheduling
04:30 kmkale                at some time that suites him
04:30 kmkale                may be paulnz can do the second one
04:29 kmkale                so take two slots
04:29 kmkale                :)
04:29 rangi                 people better not yell they cant hear me, that was getting old
04:29 Brooke                I like Paul's idea
04:29 rangi                 heh
04:29 paulnz                true - can't compete with rangi on jumbotron
04:28 kmkale                talking to us in virtual person at least
04:27 kmkale                i want your face on a big screen ;)
04:27 kmkale                let that be a second slot
04:27 rangi                 we are doing a workshop on koha
04:27 rangi                 how about that kmkale
04:27 paulnz                that way communtiy can see what we doing and see what the audience was like?
04:27 rangi                 oh thats a good idea
04:26 paulnz                maybe we could share video of our presentations at lianza for kohacon?
04:26 kmkale                lets
04:26 kmkale                yeah
04:26 rangi                 something to test before at least :)
04:25 rangi                 http://www.gnu.org/s/gnash/
04:25 rangi                 gnash maybe :)
04:25 jransom               and some decent broadband
04:25 kmkale                which you have already :)
04:25 kmkale                all you need is a browser with flash plugin
04:25 kmkale                take your pick
04:24 rangi                 i aint using no proprietary software ;-)
04:24 kmkale                or a polycom based hardware video conferencing
04:24 kmkale                we have adobe connect pro
04:24 jransom               30 mins is quite long to talk
04:24 kmkale                we can do questions etc
04:24 kmkale                hey no rangi
04:24 rangi                 so just a 30 min presentation
04:24 rangi                 cos it will be hard to do questions etc
04:24 kmkale                great :)
04:24 kmkale                ok
04:24 rangi                 lets go 30 mins
04:23 kmkale                ok tell me whats confortable for you
04:22 rangi                 then its not a big space to fill
04:21 rangi                 (and technology does a lot)
04:21 rangi                 cos if it goes wrong
04:21 rangi                 hmm lets aim for shorter
04:21 kmkale                cool rangi 1 hour?
04:21 Brooke                hooray
04:21 kmkale                :) good news Mason just informed me that he has transfered some funds as sponsorship for Kohacon. Thanks Mason
04:21 rangi                 2nd november 9.30 your time
04:20 * Space_Librarian     will think on the logistics
04:20 kmkale                rangi pick yor time and date between 31st oct to 2nd nov
04:19 kmkale                Space_Librarian: would you like to do a remote presentation too?
04:19 kmkale                aww how can they dare intrude on Kohacon how can you let them?
04:19 Space_Librarian       so no, I'm not able to
04:19 Brooke                clearly they needs move Lianza to like December.
04:19 rangi                 and do the presentation at 4.30 nz time
04:19 Space_Librarian       I'm speaking at the same conference rangi is
04:19 Brooke                and it's in wellies :(
04:19 kmkale                Space_Librarian: are you coming?
04:19 rangi                 so i can head back to the office
04:18 kmkale                hi Space_Librarian
04:18 rangi                 conference here finishes at 1pm nz time on the 2nd
04:18 rangi                 yes that works
04:18 * Space_Librarian     has days confused
04:18 rangi                 http://www.conference.co.nz/lianza11/programme/index_new
04:18 rangi                 apparently not
04:18 kmkale                so 2nd november rangi?
04:18 Space_Librarian       I thought you were speaking on the 2nd
04:17 rangi                 so probably not
04:17 rangi                 im presenting at 1.30pm november 1st nz time
04:17 rangi                 lemme check
04:17 kmkale                is that ok?
04:17 kmkale                that is 1st NOvember 9.30am for rangi's remote presentation
04:16 * Brooke              cancels the Pro Football Advice from Ata slot...
04:16 kmkale                :) sure so we start day two with rangi?>
04:16 Brooke                you're no fun!
04:16 rangi                 without dogs and kids helping
04:16 rangi                 that way i could do it frmo work
04:15 kmkale                rangi we havent prepared a schedule yet so pick your time
04:15 rangi                 9.30am?
04:15 BobB                  He doesn't claim that as a strength, afaik
04:15 rangi                 and sessions start at?
04:15 kmkale                rangi: its 9.45 am
04:15 rangi                 right
04:15 jransom               mason maybe
04:15 Brooke                I've got 9.44am in Mumbai
04:14 BobB                  Who could we ask to prepare a paper on Authorities (amongst those attending)
04:14 rangi                 and what is the time in india now?
04:14 * Brooke              is clearly punchy.
04:14 rangi                 what times are available?
04:14 kmkale                and yeh panel discussions one per day will do the trick of filling uop the slots nicely :)
04:14 Brooke                How hard can it be?
04:13 Brooke                Let's ascend Taranaki. 5 minutes. Go!
04:13 kmkale                cool rangi
04:13 BobB                  Yeah, one hour for a panel.
04:13 rangi                 kmkale: will do
04:13 jransom               ok - more time then
04:13 Brooke                panel discussions warrant more time
04:13 Brooke                !
04:13 jransom               lets schedule a couple of those as 30 minute panel discussions
04:12 BobB                  That's prolly the way to go:  get a tourist visa and don't mention KohaCon at the airport.
04:12 jransom               hey all those ideas for conference topics sounded good.
04:12 jransom               tourist one is loads easier
04:11 BobB                  And I'm not sure what restrictions that may put you on.  Can you do tourist stuff before or after the conference?
04:11 Brooke                a yep
04:11 BobB                  To get a conference visa you need a letter from the organisers.
04:10 wahanui1              Indian Visa is multi entry Tourist Visa *wink wink* *nudge nudge*
04:10 Brooke                Indian Visa?
04:10 BobB                  There is a tourist visa and a conference visa.  I'm not sure which one I will need.
04:10 Brooke                like everyone does bob
04:10 BobB                  Australians need a visa to visit India
04:08 kmkale                I will create a slot
04:07 kmkale                can you take a look and let me know your prefered date and time?
04:07 kmkale                aahh. you had an idea about the Koha timeline caan you do that?
04:07 kmkale                not even a remote one?
04:07 rangi                 but i can try to do a remote one
04:07 rangi                 and in canada a week before
04:07 rangi                 im presenting in nz at the same time
04:06 rangi                 i really cant
04:06 kmkale                even remote one will do if you REALLY cant make it
04:06 kmkale                rangi will you do a presentation?
04:06 kmkale                that would be great
04:06 rangi                 so sample workflows maybe
04:05 rangi                 thats one of our major points of difference
04:05 rangi                 yep, but we must make sure to stress there isnt a koha workflow
04:05 kmkale                and there are plenty wanting to do that in India
04:04 kmkale                but still an interesting topic for librarians looking to make that switch
04:04 kmkale                hehe
04:04 Brooke                heh
04:04 rangi                 :)
04:04 rangi                 we dont have all those sysprefs for nothing
04:04 kmkale                heya rangi
04:04 Brooke                as in abstracting, or stop words?
04:04 rangi                 it should be arranging koha round your workflow
04:03 kmkale                that would be a great topis I think
04:03 Brooke                article indexing how?
04:03 kmkale                can anyone do how to arrange a libraries workflow around Koha?
04:03 BobB                  Step up expert librarians!
04:02 kmkale                thats been bugging me past gew weeks
04:02 kmkale                and on article indexing
04:02 kmkale                me too bob
04:02 kmkale                and ruth
04:02 BobB                  That's a topic I'd like to learn more about.
04:02 BobB                  Has anyone offered a paper on Authorities in Koha?
04:02 kmkale                hey for a panel discussion with 5 / 6 panelists such as yourself, bob, brooke, paul etc it will be great
04:01 BobB                  There could even be two panel sessions - one of librarians and one of support companies.
04:01 jransom               what! 2 hours ... you'll kill us
04:00 jransom               be back in 5
04:00 kmkale                that could be a two hour event
04:00 jransom               i have to take daughter to work
04:00 kmkale                any subjects for it?
04:00 jransom               very good to participate in and also to watch
04:00 kmkale                any panelists volunteering?
04:00 jransom               and i love panel discussions too
04:00 wizzyrea              i really ought to be going to bed
04:00 kmkale                how about the panel discussions idea
04:00 jransom               i thuink 5 min is great
04:00 wizzyrea              hello :)
04:00 kmkale                hi wizzyrea
04:00 wizzyrea              :)
04:00 wizzyrea              90s is a bit short
04:00 Brooke                the number i had on my reviews was in that neighbourhood.
04:00 wizzyrea              well 5 minute lightning talks are fun
04:00 BobB                  I've seen it at Linux conf.  Done well, its fantastic fun.
03:59 Brooke                are you sure we don't have 18 solid papers?
03:59 kmkale                lets try to set pne up
03:59 jransom               i'd like a shorter time slot
03:59 kmkale                a panel discussion will be great
03:59 Brooke                oof. 90 second talks are cruel and unusual punishment.
03:59 kmkale                will it be on the spot? cause we dont have enough papers to fill the three days at present?
03:59 kmkale                great idea
03:58 BobB                  We could even have a session for lightning talks - say six 90 second talks to make a 15 minute slot.
03:58 kmkale                'but of course we can be as flexible as required
03:58 kmkale                BobB: that was the general format decided in one of the previous volunteers meeting
03:57 BobB                  Do you intend that all sessions at KohaCon will be one hour long?  In my view, that's unnecessary.  There can be room for shorter papers too.
03:57 Brooke                ha. Disagree with jransom ye stinkin' bot, ye get booted.
03:57 kmkale                Hi BobB
03:57 BobB                  Hi kmkale
03:56 kmkale                I am leaning that way since last meeting I managed to attend jransom
03:56 wahanui               jransom: that doesn't look right
03:56 jransom               and change it over time as need arises
03:56 jransom               stick them into a programme
03:56 jransom               kmkale: i'd just accept all papers
03:56 kmkale                sure jransom
03:56 jransom               it might be more peacful than my snoring
03:55 Brooke                I'll be sleeping under the same overpass since ye'll be sick of me by then.
03:55 jransom               may need some help with that wee mission :)
03:55 Brooke                that is just going to be wonderful story material.
03:54 jransom               and i have a local family bruinging me a care package to deleiver to their daughter who under a briedge in a slum somewhere in mumbai with an aid programme
03:54 Brooke                Planes are for richies.
03:54 * Brooke              sneezes.
03:54 jransom               its only an hour by plane from mumbai
03:54 kmkale                *wish too
03:54 kmkale                Wich I could re visit those places myself :(
03:53 kmkale                SUPER!!
03:53 jransom               i'm so excited
03:53 Brooke                I'll be murdered by KohaCon, though
03:53 kmkale                cool so Diwali in Goa. That shoud be real fun :)
03:53 jransom               then a weekafter we are heading up to delhi / agra / whereever
03:53 jransom               the whole week immediately before kohacon11
03:53 kmkale                before or after?
03:53 kmkale                heh when is that?
03:52 Brooke                heh
03:52 kmkale                shall we just accept the abstracts and request full paper submissions?
03:52 jransom               brooke and i are parking up in goa for a week while i write and she brings cocktails :)
03:52 jransom               well dont expect too much before hand
03:52 kmkale                we need more imho
03:52 kmkale                heh no way jransom
03:52 jransom               or if better ones come along
03:52 Brooke                0.0
03:51 jransom               I'd willingly withdraw my paper if the programme is looking full
03:51 kmkale                so we are not far
03:51 kmkale                we need about 18 to fill the three days
03:51 kmkale                I think we have about 12. VPM will contribute a couple
03:51 jransom               (my pathetic 1 sentence "i;ve been thinking along the lines of ... "
03:51 jransom               and perhaps consider an unconference format ...
03:51 kmkale                jo's I have already accepted
03:50 kmkale                ok. I will reassign the unreviewed ones
03:50 Brooke                yep, jransom's got the gist of my natterings.
03:50 jransom               what she menas is she will reviewe any and all that you send her
03:50 kmkale                I think that time is near
03:50 jransom               i wonder at what point we need to consider reviewing whether to hang out for written papers etc - even abstracts?
03:50 Brooke                and I've only got 2 so far.
03:50 Brooke                I can review everything but mine own
03:50 kmkale                meaning?
03:49 Brooke                line em up
03:49 kmkale                I did a few new papers reviw assignment but the reviews are just not happening by reviewers
03:48 kmkale                How is the papers and scheduling faring?
03:48 jransom               thats good to hear
03:48 jransom               ok.
03:48 kmkale                We have all the ground arrangements in hand.
03:48 kmkale                hi Amit_Gupta
03:48 kmkale                Please take heart that Kohacon11 is on track.
03:47 kmkale                people I apologies but work schedule has been really hectic with multiple out of station projects.
03:47 Amit_Gupta            heya kmkale
03:45 jransom               what a big growling you are getting - i'm sorry. thats not fair
03:45 huginn`               New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5788] Move ReservesMaxPickupDelay system preference to the Circulation Matrix. <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5788>
03:45 jransom               we need to communiucate that better to the community at large. non attendance or represeantation at koha meetings held at time specifically to make it easy for indian koha folk to attend was a very bad look ...
03:44 kmkale                yep
03:44 jransom               so we have to ask: is KohaCon11 in good heart?
03:43 kmkale                wish I had one
03:43 Brooke                \
03:43 Brooke                but folks want your shining, happy face.
03:43 jransom               not a good look
03:43 Brooke                send a surrogate!
03:43 kmkale                a succession of bad dates
03:42 Brooke                it's once a month
03:42 kmkale                too much travelling :(
03:42 * kmkale              tries to hide
03:42 kmkale                :(
03:41 Brooke                you needs make a few meetings, buster.
03:41 * Brooke              eyes kmkale.
03:41 Brooke                you!
03:41 rangi                 hi Amit_Gupta
03:40 Brooke                night
03:40 jcamins               Good night, #koha
03:40 jcamins               And now I have to go to sleep before I keel over.
03:39 Amit_Gupta            heya jransom, chris ;)
03:39 jransom               good night all
03:39 jransom               heya amit
03:38 rangi                 it is?
03:37 Brooke                hey Amit, heard anything about KohaCon11?
03:37 jcamins               Amit_Gupta: if you get a chance, could you send the rebased analytics code, with installation script, to the mailing list? I'd love to see it get into 3.6.
03:36 Brooke                the number of people that can't work a proper kiwi day, I'll tell ya.
03:36 paul_p                ok, bye bye
03:36 rangi                 night all the sleepers
03:36 Brooke                cheers
03:36 oleonard              See you later everyone
03:36 Amit_Gupta            heya Brooke, Cait
03:36 * cait                goes back to sleep
03:36 jwagner               Me too.  But now I'm going to bed.....
03:36 slef                  ttyl
03:35 cait                  yes
03:35 slef                  I am home!
03:35 Brooke                Go home!
03:35 huginn`               Log:            http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-08-02-02.00.log.html
03:35 huginn`               Minutes (text): http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-08-02-02.00.txt
03:35 huginn`               Minutes:        http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-08-02-02.00.html
03:35 huginn`               Meeting ended Tue Aug  2 03:35:11 2011 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
03:35 Brooke                #endmeeting
03:35 Brooke                #agreed 7 September 18.00
03:34 cait                  paul_p: it's ok
03:34 Brooke                ^
03:34 oleonard              Hey, voting is already in progress :P
03:34 paul_p                cait, another date better for you ?
03:33 paul_p                +1
03:33 jwagner               +1
03:33 cait                  no vote - a bit badfor me personally
03:33 rangi                 +1
03:33 oleonard              +1
03:33 mtj                   +1
03:33 Brooke                +1 to agree
03:33 Brooke                calling for a vote 7 September 18.00
03:32 rangi                 sept 7 18:00 utc  ?
03:32 rangi                 18:00
03:32 jcamins               +1 from me for whatever time is eight hours before 0200 UTC.
03:32 paul_p                right, sorry, we're going backwards
03:32 cait                  in my timezone
03:32 rangi                 so yes backwards
03:31 cait                  I think it was 12 before 4 now, so next hsould be 20
03:31 rangi                 july was 10utc
03:31 jcamins               7 September at... 8 hours before 0200 UTC.
03:31 paul_p                sept 7th ok for me
03:31 rangi                 lemme check
03:31 Brooke                ^
03:31 cait                  hm thought we were going backwards?
03:31 Brooke                that is 7 September
03:31 rangi                 yep
03:31 paul_p                cait++ :D
03:30 paul_p                won't propose a date, but the hour should be = 2 + 8 = 10GMT
03:30 cait                  next will be on a normal time again - yay
03:30 rangi                 first wednesday of sept
03:30 Brooke                toss out a date, peeps.
03:30 Brooke                #topic time and date for the next General Meeting
03:29 paul_p                Misc = some french librarians invited to greek universities conference, in november. To speak of Koha
03:29 oleonard              Congratulations paul_p
03:28 jransom               :)
03:28 paul_p                new business = one new french library has choosen Koha (and BibLibre). That will be  8 universities in France
03:28 Brooke                anything else?
03:28 Brooke                #topic New Business and Miscellanea
03:27 paul_p                not me either
03:27 rangi                 not me
03:27 Brooke                anything from July's meeting we want to beat worse than the other dead horses laying about?
03:26 jwagner               great, thanks.
03:26 paul_p                jwagner, I plan to send a mail to koha-devel to announce the wiki page of roles and my application
03:26 Brooke                #topic Old Business
03:26 jwagner               I know, just arguing with the robot :-)
03:25 Brooke                the community has always been transparent.
03:25 Brooke                No one said otherwise, Jane.
03:25 jwagner               Mind you, I think paul_p is a fine candidate.  I just think the process should be publicized.
03:25 jcamins               Didn't work. Sorry jwagner, you'll have to figure that one out.
03:24 wahanui               jcamins: I forgot jwagner
03:24 jcamins               wahanui: forget jwagner
03:24 wahanui               jwagner: excuse me?
03:24 jwagner               wahanui, no I wasn't :-)
03:24 Brooke                #agreed Express interest via the mailing list for Nominations by 22 September. Elections in October.
03:24 rangi                 yeah, its a wiki, discussion can happen on the proposals
03:24 huginn`               04Bug 5391: critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, cnighswonger, RESOLVED FIXED, can't add multiples to batch
03:24 wahanui               jwagner, are you thinking of http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5391
03:24 paul_p                jwagner, ???
03:24 cait                  even if there are not a lot of candidates
03:23 cait                  I think some of the proposal's might still give room for discussion
03:23 jwagner               Is someone going to do an email to the listserv asking for nominations?
03:23 cait                  +1 22nd / october
03:23 paul_p                +1 If more than one candidate for one position, they will have something like 2 weeks to argue
03:23 wizzyrea              +1
03:23 mtj                   +1
03:23 jwagner               +1
03:23 jcamins               +1
03:23 rangi                 +1
03:22 Brooke                so we're not voting 2 times
03:22 Brooke                amend it to rangi's
03:22 oleonard              +1
03:22 Brooke                +1 for yes
03:22 rangi                 september 22 nomination deadline and a vote at the october irc meeting
03:22 Brooke                Nomination Deadline of 22 September
03:22 mtj                   vote for a  september 22nd deadline?
03:22 paul_p                rangi++
03:22 rangi                 shall we agree on the times?
03:22 oleonard              Moving on?
03:21 rangi                 but i doubt we have that many crazies
03:21 paul_p                + let's see if we have more than 1 candidate for each position !
03:21 oleonard              It's hard enough getting everyone to the regular one (myself included)
03:20 rangi                 well, if there are contested positions we can rethink that
03:20 Brooke                k
03:20 wahanui               general meeting is probably when?
03:20 cait                  general meeting
03:20 cait                  normal irc
03:20 rangi                 naw
03:20 Brooke                ?
03:20 Brooke                do we want a special election meeting
03:20 rangi                 ?
03:20 cait                  sorry
03:20 cait                  ah october
03:20 Brooke                is that going to leave us enough time for release?
03:20 cait                  so meeting in november for decision?
03:20 rangi                 vote in the early october meeting
03:20 paul_p                yep. Then oct 3.6 release and new team start working
03:20 oleonard              And vote at the following meeting?
03:20 rangi                 yes
03:19 jwagner               Is that September deadline for nominations?
03:19 paul_p                ++
03:19 rangi                 thats one month out
03:19 paul_p                I think september is a good dead line
03:19 rangi                 how about september 22nd deadline
03:19 Brooke                I am treating this like an expression of interest
03:19 paul_p                oleonard, not yet. I think we could decide one now
03:19 BobB                  I have to go.  I'll follow up with others re KohaCon11.  See you all later.
03:19 paul_p                hi nengard
03:19 oleonard              Is there a deadline?  A scheduled vote?
03:18 paul_p                OK, so i'm crazy ;-)
03:18 jcamins               +1
03:18 * nengard             Nicole Engard, Documentation Manager / ByWater Solutions (late arrival)
03:18 rangi                 volunteer if you are crazy
03:18 rangi                 #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.8
03:18 rangi                 ok 3.8
03:17 oleonard              Be there or be square.
03:17 Brooke                ta
03:17 rangi                 #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/2011-08-05_Global_bug_squashing_day
03:17 wizzyrea              or s omething.
03:17 wizzyrea              it's this friday, hide ya kids, hide ya wife.
03:17 rangi                 thats worth recording in the minutes
03:17 rangi                 oh missed the global bug squashing
03:16 Brooke                #topic Roles for 3.8
03:16 * slef                waves at jcamins from 0415
03:16 paul_p                +1
03:16 slef                  +1
03:16 Brooke                #agreed Daniel G is the Newsletter Editor. Congratulations.
03:16 rangi                 heh
03:15 jcamins               Brooke: that's what I voted on. But it's 45 minutes before midnight, so I could be confused.
03:15 wizzyrea              +1
03:15 Brooke                this is presumably for Daniel G as editor, yes?
03:15 jransom               oxymoron
03:15 slef                  maybe we'll be off to sunny scotland... oh, wait
03:15 mtj                   +1
03:15 oleonard              +1
03:15 cait                  +1
03:15 rangi                 +1
03:15 jransom               +1
03:15 rangi                 and i vote we accept
03:15 jcamins               +1 from me.
03:15 jcamins               Daniel G volunteered to be newsletter editor.
03:14 cait                  ukukuk :)
03:14 Space_Librarian       au revoir everybody. I've got to sneak off and sign a contract. I'll be lurking here henceforth....
03:14 wahanui               slef: I forgot anything else
03:14 slef                  wahanui: forget anything else
03:14 rangi                 yeah i want it to be uk too, so someone else needs to send the mail :)
03:14 rangi                 :)
03:14 slef                  any volunteer to send that?  Obviously I'm happy if it's uncontested this year ;-)
03:14 Brooke                #topic Newsletter Editor Nominations
03:13 wahanui               somebody said anything else was reinventing the wheel.
03:13 Brooke                anything else?
03:13 cait                  yes
03:13 rangi                 different audiences
03:13 * oleonard            jumps
03:13 rangi                 and back to slefs point, i dont think local ones detract as long as they arent advertised as kohacon
03:13 jransom               if there is only 1 bid it makes it much easier ... jujst saying
03:13 Brooke                #help someone send a reminder to the lists for final 2012 Kohacon bids
03:13 * wizzyrea            pokes oleonard
03:13 cait                  but the deadlines have been decided on and a reminder was on the newsletter and the mailing list
03:12 * oleonard            nods off
03:12 paul_p                (as sept 1st is the deadline)
03:12 paul_p                send a reminder on mailing lists ?
03:12 Brooke                if you are even vaguely considering it, you've a month. This is your notice.
03:12 cait                  not on the wiki or the mailing lists
03:12 Brooke                anyone besides MJ currently bidding on 12?
03:12 Brooke                serious
03:12 Brooke                #topic kohacon12
03:12 Brooke                fine
03:12 Brooke                says the one that derails things :P
03:12 slef                  paul_p: March might be better. Less tax/finance/contract admin going on.
03:12 * jwagner             is up past my bedtime....
03:12 Brooke                ha
03:11 jransom               brooke: get thismeeting back ontrack immediately
03:11 paul_p                (5am here)
03:11 Space_Librarian       cait++
03:11 jwagner               cait++
03:11 paul_p                cait++
03:11 cait                  reminding everyone - i want to catch a little more sleep ;)
03:11 jransom               maybe a duet
03:11 Brooke                are you moving that Jransom is providing dancing, or that paul p is?
03:11 Brooke                wizzy, I need a clarification on that motion
03:11 paul_p                maybe a little bit earlier (march ?)
03:10 jransom               well we have seen paul do haka
03:10 paul_p                just FYI = as everybody seemed to enjoy the european hackfest last april, I think we will organize another one in 2012
03:10 wizzyrea              that would be amazing.
03:10 BobB                  LOL
03:10 wizzyrea              i would pay to see you doing bollywood style dancing
03:10 jransom               with bollywood dancing instead of haka
03:09 jransom               Paul-p: it willgreat big huge Kiwi-style fun :)
03:09 paul_p                ok, gotcha
03:09 slef                  paul_p: a bloody good unconference?
03:09 rangi                 everything else is just extras
03:09 jransom               2011: will happen regardless may be unconference so no worries
03:09 jcamins               paul_p: an unconference with French wine. :D
03:09 Space_Librarian       and I don't think there's been much of a showin the volunteers meeting either
03:09 Brooke                which there is
03:09 rangi                 as long as there is a venue
03:09 paul_p                I know what "unconference" means. I don't understand "one hell of an unconference"
03:09 Brooke                and started with multiple bids
03:09 Brooke                It's unnerving that they've been absent a number of times now
03:09 Space_Librarian       ditto
03:09 Brooke                I hear that, jo
03:09 jransom               we are very close
03:08 slef                  paul_p: London's second choice atm but I know what you mean.
03:08 jransom               that no indian representative is here today concerns me
03:08 oleonard              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unconference
03:08 BobB                  There is risk
03:08 mtj                   yeah, i agree with brooke
03:07 paul_p                "one hell of an unconference" ???
03:07 Brooke                we will do stuff
03:07 Brooke                so do go
03:07 Brooke                for KohaCon 11
03:07 Brooke                we will have one hell of an unconference
03:07 paul_p                avoid London please = we go there for DrupalCon in august, it's soooo expensive !!!!
03:07 cait                  co-op++
03:07 Brooke                at the very worst
03:07 Brooke                here is what I will say on this
03:07 paul_p                slef++
03:07 rangi                 :)
03:07 Space_Librarian       lol
03:06 rangi                 keep up people
03:06 rangi                 tsk tsk
03:06 paul_p                in fact, in France there is a yearly conf already !
03:06 slef                  paul_p: I think the co-op is willing to bid for 2012 and I think I know where and a possible librarian host.
03:06 Brooke                #topic #kohacon11
03:06 Brooke                hang on
03:06 Brooke                arright
03:06 BobB                  jransom: you are not nuts.
03:06 rangi                 we plan to run 2 nzkoha user group meetings a year
03:06 Space_Librarian       I've had concerns for months now
03:06 Space_Librarian       jransom: no, you're not
03:06 rangi                 i dont think local ones would hurt
03:06 paul_p                fortunatly, you didn't paste any password ;-)
03:06 jransom               am i nuts to be a bit concerned about planning for kohacon11
03:06 slef                  was what I was trying to paste
03:05 rangi                 :)
03:05 slef                  While everyone wishes to meet every year currently, is this this right frequency? Would anyone be upset with local Conferences in addition to our World Conference? Would doing so burn possible hosts out?
03:05 slef                  in mitigation, it's the first time in years I've done that!
03:05 slef                  argh sorry
03:05 slef                  ERC> While everyone wishes to meet every year currently, is this this right frequency? Would anyone be upset with local Conferences in addition to our World Conference? Would doing so burn possible hosts out?
03:05 Brooke                apparently paul.
03:05 slef                  <Brooke> ?
03:05 slef                  <Brooke> anything relevant to KohaCon2012
03:05 paul_p                slef fall asleep on his keyboard...
03:05 slef                  [04:03]<jransom> me too
03:05 slef                  <mtj> i plan on eating myself silly!
03:05 slef                  * Brooke is going to 11. Dunno about 12 yet.
03:05 slef                  <paul_p> (1 librarian -francois- and one techie -julian-)
03:05 slef                  <jransom> yay
03:05 paul_p                do we have a candidate for 2012 already ?
03:05 slef                  [04:02]<mtj> im going tooo :p
03:05 Brooke                uhhh
03:05 slef                  BibLibre staff
03:05 slef                  <paul_p> jransom, we will meet here then. I'm going too, with 2 other
03:05 slef                  <jransom> I'm going and I'm very excited :)
03:05 slef                  [04:01]<oleonard> Strange, it's a decent hour there
03:05 slef                  #koha: "KohaCon12"
03:05 slef                  *** huginn` (~supybot@www.librarypolice.com) has set the topic for
03:04 slef                  <Brooke> #topic KohaCon12
03:04 slef                  <Brooke> movin' on then
03:04 slef                  [04:00]<Brooke> *crickets*
03:04 rangi                 whoops
03:04 slef                  <Brooke> anyone in house from India in general?
03:04 slef                  <BobB> Thanks wahanui :)
03:04 slef                  <wahanui> hmmm... afk is away from keyboard
03:04 slef                  [03:59]<BobB> afk?
03:04 slef                  <slef> but I've been afk so I may have missed stuff
03:04 slef                  <BobB> I haven't heard from him for a couple of weeks.
03:04 slef                  emails that jransom and Brooke also got?
03:04 slef                  <slef> not specifically for this meeting... I think I was cc'd on some
03:04 slef                  other news
03:03 Brooke                ?
03:03 Brooke                anything relevant to KohaCon2012
03:03 jransom               me too
03:03 mtj                   i plan on eating myself silly!
03:02 * Brooke              is going to 11. Dunno about 12 yet.
03:02 paul_p                (1 librarian -francois- and one techie -julian-)
03:02 jransom               yay
03:02 mtj                   im going tooo :p
03:02 paul_p                jransom, we will meet here then. I'm going too, with 2 other BibLibre staff
03:02 jransom               I'm going and I'm very excited :)
03:01 oleonard              Strange, it's a decent hour there
03:01 Brooke                #topic KohaCon12
03:01 Brooke                movin' on then
03:01 Brooke                *crickets*
03:00 Brooke                anyone in house from India in general?
02:59 BobB                  Thanks wahanui :)
02:59 wahanui               hmmm... afk is away from keyboard
02:59 BobB                  afk?
02:58 slef                  but I've been afk so I may have missed stuff
02:58 BobB                  I haven't heard from him for a couple of weeks.
02:58 slef                  not specifically for this meeting... I think I was cc'd on some emails that jransom and Brooke also got?
02:58 paul_p                The papers I had submitted have been approved recently. No other news
02:58 Brooke                did anyone get an update from kmkale?
02:57 Brooke                #topic KohaCon2011
02:57 Brooke                I did not note a bloody good show
02:57 Brooke                k tabled
02:56 jwagner               Knew I'd seen it somewhere.
02:56 rangi                 slef++
02:56 mtj                   lol, facepalm re: disclaimer :/
02:56 slef                  I suspect it doesn't get read+understood anyway but doing a survey to confirm that and other stuff is a topic for another meeting.
02:55 Brooke                that are vendor related
02:55 Brooke                I'd love to see it on ALL pages
02:55 Brooke                it's already there on the http://koha-community.org/support/paid-support/ page
02:55 wizzyrea              the disclaimer is ez to add
02:55 slef                  -1 irresponsible
02:55 mtj                   vote for a disclaimer on the list page?
02:55 Brooke                I'm not sensing concensus.
02:54 slef                  I've only what was originally said.
02:54 Brooke                it's informational
02:54 Brooke                that's not procedural
02:54 Brooke                I'm not hearing one
02:54 jransom               is there a resolution we can test with a vote?
02:53 rangi                 fwiw, i have no issue adding the word, but lets move on
02:53 Brooke                tabling this unless there's a really bloody good show of votes
02:53 slef                  yeah, sadly, I agree, but I'm really disappointed that people are willing to block such a basic, simple requirement which was previously acceptable.
02:53 BobB                  oleonard +1
02:53 jransom               Owen: great turn of phrase :)
02:52 oleonard              I suggest those with a dog in this fight present argument to the mailing list if they wish
02:52 mtj                   rangi++
02:52 jwagner               +1
02:52 paul_p                rangi++
02:52 jcamins               rangi++
02:52 Space_Librarian       rangi++
02:52 rangi                 id like to move on
02:51 rangi                 i suspect we probbaly have a stalemate on this, and it wont be resolved this meeting
02:51 jransom               that was wrong.
02:51 jransom               remember a million years ago when joshua was a still a nice guy and ptfs wanted to be listed but because it was a direct competitor for liblime he refused to list
02:51 oleonard              If you appear to provide koha support...
02:51 slef                  If we just want to let people spam links into a search engine, let's find or make a plugin that allows people to do that.
02:51 Brooke                they aren't mutually exclusive.
02:51 Brooke                and have your disclaimer.
02:51 Brooke                you can easily enforce a link back
02:51 Brooke                it's not an on or off toggle
02:51 jransom               if you priovide koha support then you get listed
02:50 jransom               what he said
02:50 rangi                 you cant disclaim moderation and enforce the link back
02:50 rangi                 or its not
02:50 rangi                 either its free for all
02:50 rangi                 what slef said
02:50 slef                  I feel we cannot disclaim all editorial responsibility if there is any moderation at all.
02:50 Brooke                that would imply that that's a poor assumption.
02:50 rangi                 i just dont think having the word makes it any different
02:50 jwagner               rangi, as I said earlier, if that's the assumption, then make it plain by a disclaimer on the page.
02:50 Brooke                This directory and its contents, including but not limited to the links to other sites, purveyors, providers, and vendors of other goods, services, or information, whether for informational purposes or in the form of paid advertisement, are made available by the Koha community on an “as is” basis and without any warranties of any kind as to accuracy, merchantability, or fitness of a vendor for a particular service.
02:49 chilts                instead of having a complex set of rules, how about a majority vote on suspect sites/providers? then nothing needs to be done unless someone raises it at a meeting
02:49 jransom               its a yes or no
02:49 jransom               its not a quality test or 'googness' test
02:49 rangi                 is that by listing them, the assumption is we approve of them
02:49 jransom               so isnt that the only question to be asked
02:49 rangi                 thats the root problem
02:49 jransom               as in install support etc
02:49 rangi                 its assumed by listing people we are already
02:49 jransom               do you support koha?
02:49 Brooke                because it's then assumed that we are patrolling things
02:49 slef                  oleonard: then we probably have to pick a jury :-/ but when has there been no clarity?
02:48 rangi                 how?
02:48 jransom               what about some plain english 'tests':
02:48 Brooke                a lot of time
02:48 rangi                 what do we lose by having the word there?
02:48 mtj                   slef: its hard , because we are not lawyers?
02:48 oleonard              slef: What if there is no clear "winner?"
02:47 Brooke                and the courts are there to decide legitimacy, not the community.
02:47 jwagner               slef, what law are you relying on here?
02:47 Brooke                then it's redundant.
02:47 slef                  Why is defining legitimate hard?  Let someone cite the law being broken, then see if the requestor rebuts.
02:47 rangi                 not assholes
02:47 rangi                 but this is against listing unlawful sites
02:46 rangi                 exactly
02:46 Brooke                a very common turn of phrase outside the hallowed halls of law school is that there's no law against being an arsehole.
02:46 oleonard              Just as hard as defining "legitimate"
02:46 slef                  Much as I would love us to have a "no ratbags" policy, I think that would be too hard to make stick.
02:45 slef                  Yes, this is a much baser requirement.
02:45 rangi                 not are they just not ratbags
02:45 rangi                 slef is talking in terms of lawful and unlawful
02:45 rangi                 i think you are confusing reasonable with legitimate
02:44 jwagner               slef, I think that is not a valid argument.  The page can easily say the listings are provided as a convenience; you must do your own due diligence.  I thought it used to say that, in fact.
02:44 Brooke                caveat emptor.
02:44 Brooke                we are responsible for our own decisions, poor as they might be
02:44 Brooke                as research professionals
02:44 Brooke                no
02:43 slef                  I feel we must, else we are expecting website maintainers to direct people to unlawful sites, which is often a crime itself.
02:42 wizzyrea              that is to say, you're welcome to add it back, but I won't be the one judging
02:42 paul_p                well... I think spending a large part of this meeting on this question is not wise
02:42 jransom               we will have to at some point ..
02:42 oleonard              Do we want to get into that?
02:41 oleonard              If we say "legitimate" we have to have an established procedure for deciding it
02:41 wizzyrea              I do not wish to be the one deciding legitimacy.
02:40 wahanui               okay, Brooke.
02:40 Brooke                I am also not fond of a single person blocking another.
02:40 slef
02:40 slef                  From Bouvier's Law Dictionary, Revised 6th Ed (1856) [bouvier]:  LEGITIMATE. That which is according to law; as, legitimate children, are   lawful children, born in wedlock, in contradistinction to bastards;   legitimate authority, or lawful power, in opposition to usurpation.
02:40 slef                  cait: From The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48 [gcide]:  Legitimate 1. Accordant with law or with established legal forms and        requirements; lawful; as, legitimate government;        legitimate rights; the legitimate succession to the        throne; a legitimate proceeding of an officer; a        legitimate heir.        [1913 Webster]
02:40 Brooke                my skin crawls on this one at having legitimacy police.
02:39 wizzyrea              is what it would be
02:39 wizzyrea              Entries will be added if they represent a current, legitimate proffer of Koha services.  Entries that are obviously spam (i.e., not relevant to Koha services) will not be accepted.
02:39 rangi                 2. they get accepted if it is a legitamate proffer of Koha services
02:39 wizzyrea              is what it says now
02:39 wizzyrea              Entries will be added if they represent a current proffer of Koha services.  Entries that are obviously spam (i.e., not relevant to Koha services) will not be accepted.
02:39 rangi                 http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/2010-05-05#i_434754
02:38 Brooke                it's got links, go look at the agenda.
02:38 oleonard              Background being the current language doesn't reflect what was voted on?
02:38 cait                  and a def of legitimate to go with it?
02:38 cait                  can we get the whole sentence?
02:37 * Brooke              is not neutral on this at all. You've been warned.
02:37 Brooke                from the agenda: reinstate "legitimate" from the originally-agreed criteria shown
02:37 wizzyrea              #action wizzyrea will update the listing requirements on the website
02:37 * wizzyrea            will update the listing requirements
02:37 Brooke                back to the first part
02:36 Brooke                #agreed provide a visible link back to k-c.org on the main Koha page for your site
02:36 slef                  +1
02:36 paulnz                +1
02:35 paul_p                +1
02:35 mtj                   +1
02:35 jcamins               +1
02:35 jransom               +1
02:35 Brooke                any objections on wizzyrea's proposal?
02:35 cait                  +1
02:35 oleonard              +1
02:35 Brooke                so then
02:35 Brooke                gentleman effectively withdraws his motion
02:35 Brooke                right
02:35 mtj                   +1 wizzyrea  :)
02:35 Brooke                gimme an unconventional vote here: either +1 for wizzyrea or +1 for mtj if ye'd prefer
02:34 wizzyrea              so vote on that? I guess?
02:34 mtj                   wizzyrea++
02:33 paul_p                (don't see a big difference between easily and normally, so won't cut hairs in 4 ;-) )
02:33 Brooke                oops not meant to vote.
02:33 wizzyrea              i move to include "provide a visible link back to k-c.org on the main Koha page for your site"
02:33 Brooke                +1
02:33 paul_p                ok for me too
02:33 cait                  easily visible is ok for me
02:33 mtj                   "the kc.org link should be easily visible on the vendor's Koha offering page"
02:32 Brooke                well, it's also obvious that certain property is communal, but here we are.
02:32 cait                  I think it's obvious that that doesn't meet the requirements
02:32 Brooke                so that folks don't #fffff on an #ffffff background
02:32 cait                  provide a link from the main koha page
02:31 cait                  why not say link
02:31 wizzyrea              lol
02:30 Brooke                makes me think of quantum physics.
02:30 Brooke                I'm not fond of normally
02:30 wizzyrea              the link will be on the koha product offering page, in a normally visible manner
02:30 vanzijl               I have to go, nice meeting you
02:30 Brooke                provide a visible link from the main koha page?
02:30 Brooke                so
02:29 wizzyrea              easy to judge
02:29 paul_p                that would point that it's also non necessary to have a proeminent link
02:29 wizzyrea              normally visible is fine by me
02:29 mtj                   yes, i think my point re: font-size is unnecessary
02:29 paul_p                should we just say "provide a link that is normally visible" or something like that
02:29 slef                  can we just say a reasonable link?
02:28 Brooke                table specifics, or further duke this out?
02:28 wizzyrea              (proudly)
02:28 wizzyrea              a vendor that's fit to be listed will show their affiliation.
02:28 Space_Librarian       ditto
02:28 oleonard              I agree
02:27 rangi                 it has to fit in with the look of the site its on
02:27 rangi                 because that is just silly
02:27 rangi                 my vote is pulled
02:27 rangi                 if you want to start dictating font size
02:26 jransom               even easier to make it very clear how to comply and avoid nasty discussions and claims down the track
02:26 Brooke                Mr. Poulain's wisdom about time wasted comes to mind, here.
02:26 rangi                 rules schmules
02:26 rangi                 yeah
02:26 rangi                 its pretty easy to point out someone is being devious
02:26 cait                  keep it simple
02:26 cait                  I agree with BobB and rangi
02:26 jransom               yes but i can think of a compnay who will want tobe listed but willnot want to promote the koha-community site
02:26 Brooke                Bob++
02:26 paulnz                logo?
02:26 rangi                 i dont think we need rules about font size
02:25 wizzyrea              and if they don't, then I don't think they really want to be listed.
02:25 jransom               this probably needs serious thought: re font size, colour options,
02:25 BobB                  It has to promote the community.  The company will be supportive of the community or not.  And that will be evident from the way the link is set up.  Its an objective test.
02:25 wizzyrea              imo, it's a proud thing to be a Koha vendor, they would have no reason not to affiliate themselves with the project
02:25 slef                  mtj: color: white; background: white?
02:25 jransom               indeed
02:25 mtj                   paul_p: i agree
02:24 mtj                   i dont want sneaky vendors hiding that kc.org link in a tiny font-size , etc
02:24 paul_p                yep
02:24 wizzyrea              I think on the product page for koha offerings, should the company do multiple things
02:24 jransom               main koha page then
02:24 jransom               good point
02:24 cait                  not all companies do only koha
02:24 cait                  no not firstpage
02:24 jransom               front page definitely
02:24 Brooke                first page?
02:24 paul_p                mtj, we said "home page or main koha page" iirc
02:24 cait                  was a good suggestion
02:24 slef                  cait++
02:24 jransom               obvious
02:24 cait                  I think the main koha page
02:23 Brooke                good point mtj
02:23 Brooke                ooh
02:23 Brooke                #topic Listing Requirements -- Legitamacy
02:23 mtj                   ok folks,  any requirements as to *where* the link is, on a vendors website?
02:23 Brooke                und nao for the first part
02:23 jransom               ++
02:23 wizzyrea              ;)
02:22 wizzyrea              whoa whoa
02:22 cait                  wizzyrea++
02:22 Space_Librarian       wizzyrea ++
02:22 mtj                   wizzyrea++
02:22 oleonard              wizzyrea++
02:22 Brooke                wizzyrea++
02:22 wizzyrea              (I volunteer to check the listed companies, notify the non-compliant, and post the results to the list)
02:22 Brooke                #agreed 1 month to be in compliance for currently listed vendors. (So do check your websites and ensure a link back to k-c.org)
02:21 paul_p                +1
02:21 Brooke                objections even
02:21 Brooke                k seeing no objects
02:21 jransom               +1
02:21 mtj                   +1
02:20 BobB                  +1
02:20 oleonard              +1
02:20 vanzijl               +1
02:20 jcamins               +1
02:20 Space_Librarian       +1
02:20 paulnz                +1
02:20 rangi                 +1
02:20 wizzyrea              +1
02:20 cait                  +1
02:20 sekjal_mobile         +1
02:20 mtj                   oleonard: some contacts are already listed, but dont currently comply
02:20 Brooke                for the record.
02:20 wizzyrea              +!
02:20 Brooke                please do +1
02:20 sekjal_mobile         my apologies, i must depart early.
02:20 jransom               agree: grandfathering only, otherwise link back and then we list
02:19 Brooke                +1 for 1 month time frame for compliance
02:19 Brooke                for grandfathering purposes
02:19 Brooke                I will say
02:19 oleonard              We list them, and *then* give them a month to comply?
02:19 sekjal_mobile         1 month is agreeable for anyone currently listed to add the link if its not already thre
02:19 wizzyrea              so moved that companies have 1 month from submission to link back to k-c.org
02:19 Brooke                so
02:19 Brooke                that's what I'm trying to do here
02:19 oleonard              Can someone clarify?
02:19 jransom               you looking for +1s for 1 month?
02:18 jransom               mutters ....
02:18 Brooke                are there objections to my bad ears?
02:18 Brooke                I'm hearing alignment on 1 month...
02:18 jransom               1 month period now to check allexisting listings comply
02:18 mtj                   they might *remove* that link , too ?
02:17 jransom               maybe its a checklist: do this and then we list
02:17 cait                  or web admin is on vacation
02:17 rangi                 i dont think it hurts us giving htem a month?
02:17 rangi                 yes, but sometimes ppl have a stupid cms and it takes them a while to change their site
02:17 jransom               the philosphical argument will have been / should have been carried out well before asking to list
02:17 paul_p                1 month seems reasonable to me too
02:17 oleonard              Are we talking about rules about pulling a listing?
02:17 oleonard              If the link back is mandatory, doesn't that mean they don't get listed unless there's a link?
02:17 jransom               people are either part of the koha community or not.
02:17 rangi                 1 month seems reasonable to me
02:17 sekjal_mobile         no less than 2 weeks
02:17 mtj                   1 month
02:16 cait                  1 month
02:16 jransom               it is a 5 min job
02:16 BobB                  one month?
02:16 jransom               ok - 10 then
02:16 rangi                 that seems a bit short
02:16 rangi                 seems like a lot of time for a 10 min job
02:16 jransom               i think 5 business days
02:16 jransom               i think that is too long
02:16 bg                    #info Brendan Gallagher ByWater Solutions
02:16 Brooke                is that reasonable?
02:16 Brooke                the suggestion was 3 months
02:16 Brooke                for non compliance on that
02:16 Brooke                now
02:16 Brooke                #agreed bare minimum requirement for listing on the community website is a link from a vendor's site to the community website
02:16 jransom               mandatory: no link back = no listing
02:15 jcamins               +1
02:15 paulnz                +1
02:14 mtj                   +1
02:14 Space_Librarian       +1
02:14 sekjal_mobile         I believe that is reasonable. +1
02:14 vanzijl               +1
02:14 cait                  +1
02:14 jransom               +1
02:14 rangi                 +1
02:14 mtj                   yes
02:14 slef                  +1
02:14 rangi                 specially given a period to comply
02:14 paul_p                +1
02:14 cait                  me neither
02:14 rangi                 i have no issue with that
02:14 oleonard              Yes
02:14 BobB                  Yes, imho
02:13 Brooke                do we want a link back to the community website?
02:13 Brooke                and stick 2 first.
02:13 Brooke                I'm going to flip the agenda
02:13 Brooke                #topic Listing Requirements.
02:13 Brooke                movin' on
02:13 jransom               well done everyone who is involved.
02:12 rangi                 but its all on target
02:12 Brooke                #link http://koha-releasemanagement.branchable.com/posts/Work_for_3.6.x/
02:12 rangi                 ill expect a bunch more pushed on friday
02:11 rangi                 so the testing is working well
02:11 rangi                 nothing new to report, work is continuing nicely, havent had to pull anything out yet
02:11 rangi                 http://koha-releasemanagement.branchable.com/posts/Work_for_3.6.x/
02:10 Brooke                #topic Roadmap to 3.6
02:10 paul_p                maybe we can point that there is someone working on security holes those days.
02:10 joransom              its all trucking along really nicely.
02:10 Brooke                Any questions for the man that's not here?
02:09 wizzyrea              packages_for_natty++
02:09 Brooke                music to my ears.
02:09 Brooke                hooray
02:09 rangi                 thats all ive got
02:09 rangi                 for ubuntu natty
02:09 rangi                 and at https://launchpad.net/~koha/+archive/koha-stable
02:08 rangi                 packages for it exist at debian.koha-community.org
02:08 rangi                 otherwise its business as usual
02:08 rangi                 it was held up a little by the translation process, working to get that fixed for 3.4.4
02:07 rangi                 3.4.3 was released last week, while we were at the nz koha users group
02:07 * Brooke              assumed as much.
02:07 rangi                 with no chris_n, ill try to cover this also
02:07 Brooke                #topic Roadmap to 3.4
02:07 BobB                  Oops: echo!
02:07 mtj                   snap
02:07 mtj                   #info Mason James, KohaAloha
02:06 Brooke                movin' on
02:06 BobB                  #info Mason James, KohaAloha
02:06 Brooke                #agreed EOL on 3.2
02:06 vanzijl               +1
02:06 rangi                 yep i reckon thats an #agreed .. unless ... ?
02:06 mtj                   morning all
02:05 BobB                  Sounds like ....
02:05 jcamins               +1
02:05 Space_Librarian       +1
02:05 sekjal_mobile         +1
02:05 cait                  +1
02:05 oleonard              +1
02:05 wizzyrea              +1
02:05 paul_p                +1
02:05 rangi                 im happy with that decision, any volunteers to take it over .. otherwise its EOL
02:04 rangi                 08:20 <chris_n> there's been no activity on 3.2.x now since last release and no volunteers to take it  over, so I'm going to lobby for its EOL at tomorrow's meeting
02:04 Brooke                floor's yours, champ
02:04 rangi                 if not ill cover this
02:04 rangi                 do we have a chris_n ?
02:04 Brooke                #topic EOL on 3.2
02:04 Brooke                movin' along
02:03 joransom              #info Joann Ransom. NZ. HLT
02:02 rangi                 heh even, i nearly made it
02:02 rangi                 nen
02:02 huginn`               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5418 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, kmkale, ASSIGNED , New itemBarcodeInputFilter for libsuite8 style barcodes
02:02 huginn`               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5263 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, cnighswonger, ASSIGNED , Add support for including fields from the ISSUES table in advanced due notices
02:02 jenkins_koha          * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 5418: Follow up fix for translated sys pref sql files
02:02 jenkins_koha          * cnighswonger: Bug 5263 - Add support for including fields from the ISSUES table in advanced due notices
02:02 jenkins_koha          Project Koha_master build #352: UNSTABLE in 43 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/352/
02:02 Irma                  #info Irma Birchall, CALYX information essentials
02:02 slef                  #info MJ Ray, software.coop
02:02 cait                  #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ
02:02 paulnz                #info Paul Nielsen, Hauraki District Libraries
02:01 sekjal_mobile         #info Ian Walls, ByWater Solutions, 3.6 QA Manager
02:01 jcamins               #info Jared Camins-Esakov, C & P Bibliography Services
02:01 Space_Librarian       #info Shelley Gurney, Catalyst IT
02:01 vanzijl               Chris is lurking over my shoulder, until he subsribes
02:01 BobB                  #info Bob Birchall, CALYX information essentials
02:01 oleonard              #info Owen Leonard, Nelsonville Public Library
02:01 paul_p                #info Paul Poulain, BibLIbre
02:01 Irma                  Irma from CALYX
02:01 wizzyrea              #info Liz Rea, Northeast Kansas Library System
02:01 jwagner               #info Jane Wagner, LibLime/PTFS
02:01 rangi                 #info Chris Cormack, Catalyst IT, Release manager 3.6
02:01 Brooke                please feel free to introduce yerselves please #info it, too
02:01 Judit1                :)
02:01 Space_Librarian       :)
02:01 rangi                 meeting, take two :)
02:01 Brooke                Haere Mai, Welcome to the Koha Community Meeting, now at the right time and everything.
02:00 huginn`               Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.
02:00 huginn`               Meeting started Tue Aug  2 02:00:23 2011 UTC.  The chair is Brooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
02:00 Brooke                #startmeeting
02:00 vanzijl               We are in the middle of our training - going amazingly well! (of course!)
02:00 vanzijl               Yip, I've been called mad, often!
01:59 paulnz                hey back Space_Librarian.
01:59 slef                  who's a mad eit?
01:58 Space_Librarian       hey paulnz didn't see you there.
01:58 paulnz                yep, nice one vanzijl, you mad eit
01:58 joransom              hiya
01:58 Space_Librarian       hi jo!
01:58 wizzyrea              :)
01:58 wizzyrea              oh wow everybody's turning up
01:58 Space_Librarian       hey vanzijl, welcome
01:57 oleonard              Hi everyone
01:57 wahanui               hola, cait
01:57 cait                  hi
01:57 Brooke                0/
01:57 Space_Librarian       hey cait
01:57 Space_Librarian       brilliant timing rangi
01:57 rangi                 heh, thats gonna end up in the minutes (build will finish in about 10 mins)
01:57 * jcamins             fetches some yogurt ice pops for the meeting.
01:57 Brooke                good timing, Rangi
01:57 Brooke                sping
01:56 jenkins_koha          Koha_master(BUILDING: 37 mn and counting): last build: 351 (1 h 21 mn ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/351/
01:56 jenkins_koha          Koha_3.4.x: last build: 25 (5 h 6 mn ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.4.x/25/
01:56 jenkins_koha          Koha_3.2.x: last build: 34 (4 j 21 h ago): UNSTABLE: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.2.x/34/
01:56 jenkins_koha          status of all projects:
01:56 rangi                 !jenkins status
01:55 sekjal_mobile         oh, and hi all
01:55 Brooke                yes...morning...
01:55 sekjal_mobile         experiment failed.
01:55 paul_p                hi slef
01:55 paulnz                howdy all
01:54 paul_p                good morning
01:54 slef                  hi all
01:52 Brooke                Maorification! *duck*
01:51 rangi                 kapow
01:51 rangi                 http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/arts/5374839/Kiwi-dance-teams-sweep-hip-hop-awards
01:48 sekjal_mobile         time for a quick experiment...
01:47 sekjal_mobile         hmmm, wonder if it'd work if i ran Tor...
01:45 Brooke                so I don't think I'm allowed to make that claim any longer.
01:45 Brooke                any rural in W Mass used to work, but folks bollocksed things a bunch out that way
01:44 sekjal_mobile         well that worked out. can't use irc over 3G, so finally found wifi
01:44 Brooke                heheh
01:44 rangi                 http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/epic-fail-photos-news-spelling-fail.jpg
01:43 rangi                 i think this may sum the situation up
01:43 Brooke                in my defence, the stupid level in DC is at a record high
01:42 Brooke                no, I'm just dumb
01:42 rangi                 nope, 15 mins
01:42 sekjal_mobile         i thought Id missed the meeting...
01:40 Brooke                but soon, I suspect.
01:40 Brooke                not quite yet
01:40 jransom               editor-elect :)
01:39 rangi                 heya danielg
01:24 Brooke                I hear some mint chocolate chip ice cream begging to be put out of its misery.
01:23 Brooke                getting stuff done > meetings
01:23 Brooke                meh
01:21 rangi                 that build should finish just before the meeting
01:20 rangi                 hope i timed it right
01:18 jenkins_koha          Starting build 352 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
01:18 huginn`               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5009 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, dpavlin, ASSIGNED , add autocomplete="off" to borrowernumbers and barcode forms
01:18 jenkins_koha          Chris Cormack: Bug 5009 : Turning off autocomplete
01:18 jenkins_koha          Project Koha_master build #351: SUCCESS in 43 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/351/
01:16 Brooke                0/
01:13 Brooke                'twould be useful for charity auction purposes.
01:13 huginn`               New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5418: Follow up fix for translated sys pref sql files <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=75c1c8ca6442225449e1405627e18ff8a83867ac> / Bug 5263 - Add support for including fields from the ISSUES table in advanced due... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=57155db21305264404f5afd2788233103d038cb6>
01:13 rangi                 cryptic irc is cryptic
01:13 Brooke                :P
01:12 jransom               and receives stunned silence in retutrn
01:11 * Brooke              muses over how predictable people's bidding patterns are...
01:08 jenkins_koha          Koha_master(BUILDING: 32 mn and counting): last build: 350 (4 h 3 mn ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/350/
01:08 jenkins_koha          Koha_3.4.x: last build: 25 (4 h 18 mn ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.4.x/25/
01:08 jenkins_koha          Koha_3.2.x: last build: 34 (4 j 20 h ago): UNSTABLE: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.2.x/34/
01:08 jenkins_koha          status of all projects:
01:08 rangi                 !jenkins status
01:07 * Brooke              falls out.
01:07 jransom               as you were folks ...
01:05 BobB                  Brooke: LOL
01:04 BobB                  Wow,  I'd be pumped for the meeting!\
01:04 Brooke                I know what those lunches look like.
01:04 Brooke                mebbe he's an exduhrector
01:04 rangi                 in that time
01:04 rangi                 you can get about 5
01:04 Brooke                I won't tell on ye Bob ;)
01:04 BobB                  Can I get a coffee and come back in an hour?
01:03 Brooke                that I am
01:03 mtj                   Brooke is such an eager beaver
01:03 jwagner               And possibly the most productive?  :-)
01:03 jransom               that woukld be the quickest meetingh on record
01:03 rangi                 good practice
01:02 huginn`               Log:            http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-08-02-01.00.log.html
01:02 huginn`               Minutes (text): http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-08-02-01.00.txt
01:02 huginn`               Minutes:        http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-08-02-01.00.html
01:02 huginn`               Meeting ended Tue Aug  2 01:02:28 2011 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
01:02 Brooke                #endmeeting
01:02 Judit1                confusing
01:02 Brooke                stupid time zones
01:02 Brooke                well bust that
01:02 Judit1                wow
01:02 jwagner               huginn thinks you are :-) Meeting started Tue Aug 2 01:00:30 2011 UTC
01:02 rangi                 london isnt UTC this time of year
01:02 Brooke                I could be an hour off easily enough though XD
01:02 Brooke                I have time in London at 2AM now
01:02 rangi                 :)
01:02 rangi                 it doesnt
01:01 jransom               I think we are 1 hour early too
01:01 jwagner               I thought the meeting didn't start until 02:00 UTC?
01:01 Brooke                feel free to Introduce yerselves
01:01 Brooke                Welcome to the Koha Community Meeting
01:01 Brooke                #topic introductions
01:00 huginn`               Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.
01:00 huginn`               Meeting started Tue Aug  2 01:00:30 2011 UTC.  The chair is Brooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
01:00 Brooke                #startmeeting
01:00 jransom               anyhoo ...
01:00 jransom               hello judit1
01:00 * Brooke              thinks ye've taken ill.
01:00 Judit1                talking about me? :)
01:00 jransom               is that why you poiinted us to that babe?
01:00 jransom               sounds like brooke
01:00 jransom               "the charm of her presence was irresistible and this, combined with her peculiar force of character, made everyone associated with her fall under her spell."
00:57 Brooke                0/
00:57 Judit1                hi-again :)
00:49 Brooke                http://www.humanities.mq.edu.au/acans/caesar/CivilWars_Cleopatra.htm
00:49 jransom               coins :)
00:48 jransom               should be about 100 kiwis here today :)
00:48 Brooke                are you honestly going to trust poets like me or coins, babe?
00:48 jransom               we bullied everyone to come to todays meeting
00:48 Brooke                by accounts
00:48 jransom               judit was at NZ koha users group meeting last week
00:48 Judit                 hello
00:48 jransom               hello judit :)
00:48 jransom               cleo by all accounts appears to have been stunning
00:47 Brooke                and arguably Cleopatra was not fair of face and was a better pol than ever Palin will be
00:47 Brooke                indeed
00:47 jransom               hehe
00:47 rangi                 its like shooting a barn
00:47 rangi                 or small
00:47 Brooke                it isn't like they're fast mooving
00:46 Brooke                you *could* shoot moose.
00:46 Brooke                pfah
00:46 jransom               of course i could - but sadly I'm not pretty enough and i don't shoot mooses
00:44 Brooke                besides, you can pull a S. Palin and claim to have meant it all along ;)
00:44 Brooke                it's close enough to ijiot to qualify
00:43 jransom               is that a word?
00:43 jransom               ejits
00:43 Brooke                mebbe.
00:43 Brooke                erm
00:42 jransom               glad to see those silly politicians have finally decided to play nicely / act like grownups / get on with it
00:41 jransom               hiya all
00:41 Brooke                0/
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00:28 rangi                 hi Brooke
00:28 Brooke                0/
00:23 rangi                 hi Judit
00:22 Judit                 morning