Time Nick Message 00:18 * rangi wanders off to meet chilts for lunch 00:28 * druthb returns, washing her hands with some strong soap to get the icky feel of the other ILS off. 00:31 druthb I'm never too big to admit when I'm wrong. SirsiDynix Unicorn is *not* the worst user interface I've ever seen, any more. 00:31 Space_Librarian what's worse? 00:32 druthb "CyberTools for Libraries." 00:32 druthb Nasty thing. I'd not ever seen it before. 00:32 Space_Librarian that sounds like a d-grade movie 00:33 druthb I couldn't find a place to request a patron listing report! 00:35 druthb its' developers seem to think it's the best thing since the library book, but I don't see how they made any money on it. 00:44 druthb At least the MARC data is plausible and pretty straightforward. so far, anyway. 00:46 Space_Librarian so far... :) 00:49 druthb the serials data may be a little messy, but the monographs are simple simon. 00:50 druthb oooh...here's a goodie: "Politeness and consideration for others is like investing pennies and getting dollars back." --Thomas Sowell 00:58 * library_systems_guy discovered that he passes out at the sight of needles today 00:59 library_systems_guy sorry for being random and off topic 00:59 Space_Librarian library_systems_guy: shoot 01:00 Space_Librarian library_systems_guy: that's inconvenient 01:00 library_systems_guy indeed it is 01:00 library_systems_guy you end up missing a lot of programming the day you pass out 01:00 library_systems_guy apparently that is frowned upon 01:01 druthb hi, brooke. 01:01 druthb library_systems_guy: hope you're okay now! 01:01 Brooke howdy miss 01:01 * Brooke made a mean pizza. 01:01 library_systems_guy indeed 01:01 library_systems_guy thanks druthb 01:01 Brooke holy smokes 01:01 Brooke what did you pass out from? 01:01 Brooke hope it was summat pleasant 01:02 Space_Librarian Brooke: did you have a piece for me? 01:02 library_systems_guy Brooke: needles and blood 01:02 Brooke lib dude: that is NOT pleasant 01:02 Brooke a yep 01:02 Brooke it was torture of the worst sort 01:02 Brooke but I buckled down and had one for ye ;) 01:04 library_systems_guy druthb: that biblio script has been running since lunch lol 01:05 Brooke how many records? 01:05 druthb which one? Shouldn't take that long, unless you've a bazillion recs. 01:05 library_systems_guy 450K 01:05 Brooke that would be a bazillion, no? 01:05 library_systems_guy close enough i suppose 01:05 library_systems_guy lol 01:05 druthb the builder? Yeah, that one might run that long. 01:05 library_systems_guy yeah that one 01:05 Brooke ha, see I *do* think in a flowchart? 01:05 library_systems_guy and yeah i had to up the ram on my vm to 4 gigs to process it 01:06 druthb It's got a lot to do, splicing in the items and all. 01:06 Brooke How many records? If less than X, then it's problematic :P 01:07 library_systems_guy lol 01:07 library_systems_guy i can't tell where its at...its making me nervous 01:08 * Brooke crosses her fingers for ya. 01:08 druthb It should be running a counter...I program those. 01:09 library_systems_guy well...its running in the emacs dumb terminal...so i can't really read it very well 01:09 library_systems_guy lol 01:09 Brooke go to Ocean City. Play skeeball. Come back. 01:09 druthb oh. Then Don't Do That, the doctor said. 01:09 Brooke this is normally the super sekrit loading bar time in which druthb screws about with a certain resident of the Commonwealth. 01:10 Brooke so you've comfortably a few hours to burn, methinks ;P 01:11 druthb when I ran that script with about 130K bibs, it ran for a skosh under three hours IIRC. So you have some time to kill. 01:13 druthb ....and yeah, this is normally when I buzz off and go meet Brooke for dinner or take a snooze or something. 01:15 Brooke (She's really paying ice cream vendors to say scandalous things.) 01:15 Brooke (Or more like just working on ANOTHER migration.) 01:17 druthb hee hee... 01:18 druthb how'd you know I've got three in the works this week, Brooke? 01:18 * Brooke has druthb's number. 01:18 druthb Two go-lives and a test. 01:20 Brooke I suspect there's some sort of rule that when I'm reading an article entitled Salbutamol improves diaphragm force generation in experimental sepsis for fun, I should prolly be doing medical indexing... 01:24 * druthb blinks 01:28 rangi back 01:28 Brooke welcome back 01:28 Brooke hey o bobo 04:05 * Oak waves 04:09 druthb Hi, Oak. 04:12 Oak Hello druthb :) 04:29 druthb rangi++ 04:30 * druthb staggers off to bed. 04:30 rangi sleep well 04:33 Brooke kia ora 04:34 Oak kia ora to thee dear Brooke ! 04:34 Brooke http://koha-community.org/get-involved/for-librarians/ 04:34 Brooke Contributing your custom reports 04:34 Brooke should prolly point here: 04:34 Brooke http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library 04:34 Brooke but it 404s. 04:36 Brooke might want to point the documentation link at: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Editing_the_Koha_Manual 04:36 Brooke but not a very sechsy wiki page atm 04:36 Oak http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library works 04:36 Brooke yes 04:36 rangi fixed the sql reports link 04:36 Brooke but not from the first bit ;) 04:36 Brooke thanks :) 04:36 Brooke I would do it meself, but I can't mess with the webpage. 04:39 Brooke I *think* I'm gonna go to sleep 04:39 Oak sleep well Brooke 04:39 Brooke hopefull I will wake up in time 04:40 Oak use alarm 05:37 rao Hi, No mails from lists.katipo.co.nz these days? Is it true? 05:37 rao Some issues? 05:38 rao Or some problem with my subscription? 05:39 rao knock...knock.... 05:57 cait morning 05:57 Oak Guten Morgen Miss cait 05:57 cait Salam Oak 05:57 Oak :) 06:07 koha hi 06:08 koha I have a typical problem faced after upgrade to Koha 3.4 from 3.00 06:09 koha The issue is if I want to do criculation (check out or check in) there will be an error in Can't call method "subfield" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Biblio.pm line 2829. 06:10 koha but actal action happens, i tested this by refershing it again i works. I an not sure why that error is coming? Can anybody help on this. 06:10 koha Thanks in advance 06:10 cait have you run the scrpt to remove your items from the xml? 06:11 francharb hello 06:11 cait hi francharb 06:12 koha yes I did remove item script 06:12 koha but got uninitalization warning with m// 06:13 cait HM 06:13 cait sorry, caps lock 06:14 cait so you are not sure if it worked correctly? 06:14 koha yes cait 06:14 koha but rebuild zebra worked 06:17 cait I think I would check the marcxml field to see if the 952 fields have really been removed 06:19 koha ok how do I do that? I am a beginner to Koha 06:19 alex_a hi there ! 06:23 cait hi alex_a 06:23 cait koha: perhapy try to ask around later - I have to leave for work 06:23 Oak Bonjour Monsieur alex_a 06:23 cait or write to the mailing list 06:28 koha hi 06:29 koha I have a typical issue let me know if any one come across following issue this observed after the upgrade to 3.4 from 3.00 06:30 koha The issue is if I want to do criculation (check out or check in) there will be an error in Can't call method "subfield" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Biblio.pm line 2829. 06:30 wahanui i already had it that way, koha. 06:30 alex_a bonjour Monsieur Oak :) 06:30 Oak heh 06:30 Oak :) 06:36 julian hello #koha 06:39 sophie_m hi #koha 06:40 reiveune hello 07:12 kf morning #koha 08:35 Brooke hoo ra! 08:53 * Brooke is alt tabbed. 08:59 jransom evening all 09:00 Brooke howdy miss 09:01 jransom heya 09:03 Brooke 0/ 09:13 kf hi all 09:14 jransom hey babe 09:15 Brooke ahoy cait 09:24 kf :) 09:27 slef I may be a few mins late. how long to go? 09:27 kf 30 mins 09:28 kf if I did the time conversion correctly 09:28 kf morning slef 09:28 slef yeah, so I may be walking across town then 09:28 slef hi :) 09:28 slef train arriving... biab 09:29 jransom cool - hat means i did time conversion correctly this time too 09:29 kf :) 09:29 Brooke heh good on ye 09:29 kf this time feels kind of weird 09:30 kf I think we didn't have a lot of meetings at this time 09:30 kf must be quite early for us? 09:30 kf us = US 09:30 Brooke the US can ttfu. 09:31 alex_a Does anyone know where i can find documentation about enabling SRU servers on koha ? 09:32 jransom oh thats very early for you, very late for us 09:32 jransom NZ 09:32 kf alex_a: not sure there is documentation, I know my coworker tested it though 09:32 Brooke very early is 3 ;) 09:32 kf ouch 09:32 Brooke same here, alex 09:32 Brooke don't think you can consult unwritten documentation but lemme see 09:33 kf alex_a: seemed to work he was quite happy with it 09:33 kf alex_a: I think if you didn't activate it during install you might have to change your conf xml file? 09:34 Brooke I've summat on test queries 09:34 Brooke http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SimpleServer_as_a_Z39.50/SRU_Server_Test_Queries_for_Koha_with_Solr/Lucene 09:35 alex_a kf: yes, it's what i want to know about 09:36 alex_a what to change in the koha-conf.xml file 09:36 Brooke listen options to listen on a tcp port if it's the same as 3.x 09:36 alex_a i found lot of documentations about using/quering SRU but not about enabling ... 09:37 Brooke SRU servers conf site:koha-community.org through google ;) 09:39 alex_a google ? i don't know 09:39 alex_a :p 09:39 Brooke hey, it's what you have Librarians for ;) 09:40 kf alex_a: have you checked the xml file? 09:40 kf or you could do a fresh install somewhere and activate it during install - see what it does 09:40 alex_a install is done yet 09:41 alex_a i have to check xml file 09:41 alex_a kf: oh yes i just understand what you mean :) 09:41 alex_a good idea 09:47 kf hi magnuse 09:47 kf how is vacation? :) 09:55 magnus_mobile vacation is good, but forgot my laptop so is on mobile phone. will get it tomorrow 09:55 Brooke pullin' a Cormack 09:56 kf oh, hope it's not too hard 10:00 jransom heya magnus 10:02 magnus_mobile hiya jransom 10:03 Brooke 0/ 10:03 Brooke who's driving this bus? 10:03 magnus_mobile isn't there a meeting now? 10:03 Brooke a yep 10:04 thd Yes, Brooke is the only experienced driver. 10:04 Brooke not so cait is also experienced :P 10:04 Brooke but I'm more than happy to 10:04 Brooke cause that was a special circumstance 10:04 kf yep, please do 10:04 Brooke righto 10:04 Brooke #startmeeting 10:04 huginn Meeting started Wed Jul 6 10:04:16 2011 UTC. The chair is Brooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 10:04 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 10:04 Brooke Haere Mae, Haere Mae, Welcome to the Koha Community Meeting! 10:05 Brooke #topic Introductions 10:05 kf #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ Germany 10:05 Brooke please state who ye be with a #info tag 10:05 jransom Joann Ransom HLT, NZ 10:05 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 10:05 jwagner #info Jane Wagner, LibLime/PTFS 10:05 rangi #info Chris Cormack, Catalyst IT, RM 3.6 10:06 jransom #info 10:06 jransom #info Joann Ransom, HLT, NZ 10:07 jransom (Connor is my son - observing how koha irc meetings work) 10:07 magnus_mobile #info Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway 10:09 Brooke speak now or forever lurk in peace. 10:10 Brooke #topic Roadmap to 3.2 10:10 Brooke no hdl 10:10 rangi thats chris_n anyway 10:10 Brooke ta 10:10 hdl #info Henri-Damien LAURENT 10:10 Brooke not movin' at this hour anyway, yes? 10:11 rangi nope 10:11 Brooke anything burning to discuss about 3.2? 10:12 rangi nope 10:12 Brooke well that was simple :) 10:12 Brooke #topic Roadmap to 3.4 10:12 Brooke Chris :D 10:12 rangi thats chris_n too 10:12 Brooke nuffin to say? 10:13 rangi not my baby anymore 10:14 Brooke 0/ 10:14 Brooke anything at all on 3.4, other than stating it's been nice to see somewhat regular releases continue on? :) 10:15 Brooke #topic Roadmap to 3.6 10:15 Brooke the original Chris. 10:16 rangi Work is progressing nicely, http://koha-releasemanagement.branchable.com/ already a pile of stuff for 3.6.0 in master, and more to go in 10:16 Brooke #link http://koha-releasemanagement.branchable.com/ 10:17 magnus_mobile yay! 10:17 rangi thats about all i have, nothing new to report 10:18 Brooke righto 10:18 Brooke that brings us to 10:18 Brooke #topic KohaCon2011 10:19 Brooke no kmkale 10:19 Brooke which is rather mystifying given it's a cherry of a time for Mumbai... 10:20 jransom and he is concerned at lack of attendance at planning meetings - hence shifting it here 10:21 Brooke 0/ 10:21 thd Maybe he needs an extra reminder about these meetings and his intention of shifting. 10:21 thd Perhaps he thought we would sort the arrangements without him if he did not appear. 10:22 jransom someone should phone him up 10:22 Brooke #help find other parties in India to assist kmkale with organising 10:22 jransom do we know what the sticky bits are: 10:22 Brooke if you've volunteered to approve a paper, please do check your queue 10:22 jransom venue = sorted 10:23 jransom dates - sorted 10:23 jransom programme: have we enough abstracts? 10:23 Brooke to me, the sticky bit is the website 10:23 mtj hi peoples 10:23 * mtj waves 10:23 jransom regsitarnts: good : (150 last count) 10:23 jransom heya mj 10:23 Brooke some of the features meant to make things run smoother are causing abstract purgatory 10:23 jransom so i think its programme really 10:23 jransom and website 10:24 jransom brooke / mj: do you know the state of the prpgramme? 10:24 Brooke we had three approved abstracts 10:24 Brooke that were then taken down... 10:24 jransom is that all so far? 10:24 thd Brooke: all the way down to purgatory? 10:25 mtj were they accidentally deleted? 10:25 jransom how many more submitted? 10:25 Brooke I think there are about 8 in the queue, but I can't seem to see what I once saw on the site 10:25 jransom so 11 in total 10:25 BobB Hi #koha - just joining the meeting now. Sorry I'm late. 10:25 Brooke no problem Bob 10:26 jransom maybe we need to set the programme ie what we want presented then recruit presenters? 10:26 Brooke I think we're just about fine were everything in the queue approved, but that'd be a faulty assumption, as everything in queue might not be great. However, I don't have reservations at this point about filling time slots. 10:26 BobB #info BobB 10:27 jransom who is in charge of programme? 10:27 Brooke last I checked MJ Ray 10:27 Brooke but I'm not sure that's official 10:28 jransom ok. MJ : are you willing to be a benevolent dictator to get this show on the road? 10:28 * Brooke thinks unoffical + done > official + not done. 10:28 oleonard Not mtj, slef 10:29 mtj #info mason james. kohaaloha, nz 10:29 druthb #info D Ruth Bavousett, ByWater Solutions 10:29 jransom MJRay - who is not here yet 10:29 BobB Hi mtj 10:29 oleonard #info Owen Leonard, Nelsonville Public Library 10:29 thd slef seems not to be here 10:30 mtj heya BobB :p 10:30 jransom no - hes walking somewhere off a train 10:30 BobB I just read the discussion so far. Kmkale is an apology. At the KohaCon meeting he foreshadowed that he had another commitment and would not be here tonight. 10:30 Brooke I wonder if we oughtn't be redundant at this point 10:31 Brooke I am tempted to propose that authors resubmit abstracts to the wiki 10:31 thd BobB: When is the next KohaCon meeting? 10:31 Brooke 2 people sign off on each abstract 10:31 Brooke we mock a programme up from there 10:31 jransom sounds proactive 10:32 BobB There's a poll 10:32 Brooke have a look over at #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Category_talk:KohaCon11 10:33 Brooke BobB there's a poll for what in particular? 10:33 jransom so we could add the submitted abstracts to that list 10:33 BobB the next KohaCon11 meeting! :) 10:34 BobB It was announced on list before the weekend, iirc 10:34 mtj perhaps the KohaCon12 website admins could check no submissions were deleted from database backups 10:34 Brooke don't think they were deleted, think they were moved. 10:35 mtj hmm. ah ok... 10:35 jransom We really should aim to put together a strong programme if possible: do we have a small group prepared to take charge of this? 10:35 jransom and just get it done 10:35 rangi my only comment is i think kohacon11 has had about 20 more meetings than kohacon10 had ... time to start just doing 10:35 rangi and stop talking :) 10:35 jransom +1 10:36 thd :) 10:36 jransom so whose up for taking charge of the programme: MJRay plus who? Brooke? Shelley? 10:36 BobB Everyone's busy. But there doesn't seem to be a local committee. Just Koustabha. 10:37 jransom Bob: It really isnt that hard to pull this together now 10:37 thd BobB: I think that is the problem 10:37 rangi yeah thats the thing lacking, and maybe something we need to make sure is understood for kohacon12 proposals 10:37 rangi if you bid to host it, you better organise it too :-) 10:37 jransom time, date, place and attendees all sorted 10:37 jransom just need a programme! 10:38 jransom i agree. but having booked and paid I not willing to take a chance on it getting organised 10:38 * Brooke doesn't care if there's a proper committee, but there better be someone on the ground that is seeing to things. 10:38 thd BobB: One person maybe a little too little for local planning without delegation to others.. 10:38 Brooke worse comes to worst, unconference in Vihang's Inn :D 10:38 jransom :) 10:39 Brooke I will review abstracts to the wiki that are not my own. 10:39 thd There should be no need for worse. 10:39 Brooke hopefully someone else *hint you* will sign off as well. 10:39 * slef = MJ Ray, software.coop, still in another meeting 10:39 jransom will we use the koha community wiki to advance the programme? 10:39 jransom yay: 10:39 jransom MJ's here :) 10:40 Brooke MJ any insight on the programme? 10:40 slef not yet. need more suggestions is the biggest need 10:41 Brooke I have suggested that anyone with an unreviewed abstract move it to the wiki for approval 10:41 Brooke 2 signoffs that aren't theirs, like a bug 10:41 thd I think we should propose the wiki as an alternative for where the current software in use is failing. 10:41 jransom i second that 10:42 jransom and can someone copy submitted abstracts over? 10:42 slef Erm, or report the bug. I'll read scrollback later see if we need to act 10:42 BobB I think logistics are OK at this early stage. What's needed is: 10:42 BobB more papers (in a programme) and more sponsors. 10:42 BobB #action: I'll put another call for sponsors on the list 10:42 slef but there's only a few papers submitted so far 10:42 thd slef: Fixing the bug maybe easier and then we have everything in one place. 10:42 Brooke the bug is that papers have been sitting in purgatory for months on end at this point. 10:43 Brooke there are at least 8 when I could last see what was submitted 10:43 jransom my post asking for ideas hasnt generated any new ideas 10:43 thd Brooke: Is that a humans in the system bug? 10:43 slef yeah I thought 7 Brooke 10:43 Brooke kmkale is waiting on full papers over abstracts which frankly is not how conferences work. 10:43 jransom OMG - is he expe ting a written paper from me? 10:43 thd Ahhh.... 10:43 slef I've reviewed 2 abstracts, had nothing further from authors, I need to chase. 10:44 slef Brooke: I'm reviewing abstracts and have set ocs to work that way now (since last week) 10:45 thd jransom: kmkale may be hoping to prepare a book of conference papers as is customary for many types of conferences. 10:45 slef I need to ask kmkale if there's a nice way to contact reviewers 10:45 Brooke that is *the* last step 10:45 Brooke he's stated that he's done so twice. 10:45 jransom ok. so rocking up with a presenation the day before is not going to cut it :) 10:46 jransom (slack Kiwi's letting the side down :) 10:46 kf perhaps the written papers could be demanded once the program is set? 10:46 thd jransom: Some people who are uncertain of attendance may submit full written papers without actually attending. 10:46 kf so people know they will speak and when and how long... 10:47 jransom a set date - 2 or 3 weeks out is reasonable. would allow time for printing / burning on usb drives etc 10:47 * Brooke nods. 10:48 thd jransom: 2 or 3 weeks from when? 10:48 Brooke from conference 10:48 jransom out from conference 10:48 thd OK 10:48 Brooke which at this point is quite rapidly approaching. 10:48 thd yes it is. 10:48 slef kf++ 10:48 Brooke kf that is generally how conferences work 10:49 Brooke you submit an abstract 10:49 Brooke someone goes "Hey this sucks!" 10:49 Brooke or "Hey, this is cool." 10:49 Brooke if it's the latter, you do the full paper 10:49 slef bbl sorry 10:49 slef (back in 70) 10:49 Brooke but you build the programme on abstracts, not papers. 10:49 jransom ok. lets take that approach - kmkale might be relieved 10:50 Brooke at very least, we've a cherry of a keynote speaker. 10:50 jransom lol 10:50 jransom i cant talk for 3 days though:) 10:50 Brooke no but I can ;) 10:50 rangi ive never submitted a written paper 10:50 kf me neither 10:50 hdl oh jransom of course you can :D 10:50 druthb I have, but only once. 10:50 jransom i have twice: natinal library board of singapore and VALA 10:50 kf normally they select only a few presentations for a publication 10:50 magnus_mobile jransom: sure you can ;-) 10:51 jransom oh ok - i was being modest :) 10:51 rangi i never even write a paper :) 10:51 rangi the kind of conferences that demand full papers = conferences i dont attend 10:51 jransom o folks 10:51 jransom shall we list decisions 10:51 Brooke please 10:52 hdl Biblibre Will submit some papers on solr and latest developments. 10:52 jransom 1. we will develop programme from abstracts 10:52 Brooke great thank you hdl 10:52 jransom 2. programme organisers will fill gaps with recruited speakers 10:53 jransom 3. slef will fix the bug in the website software 10:53 Brooke not a software bug 10:53 Brooke it's a bug between the keyboard and the monitor. 10:53 jransom 4. failing that / (or as well?) we will use community wiki? 10:54 jransom 5, what else? 10:54 Brooke anyone OPPOSED to using the wiki as a fallback at this point? 10:54 thd The wiki should be available as a fallback for anything. 10:54 thd People should be encouraged to use the wiki more in fact. 10:55 magnus_mobile yup 10:55 jransom 5. ANyone thinking of submitting an abstract please do so asap 10:55 druthb thd++ 10:55 Brooke yup you have reservations or yup you're agreeing with thd? 10:55 kf hm, that will make the process open to everyone - not sure it's a problem if an abstract is rejected? 10:55 mtj i think we should switch to the kc.org wiki, until the kohacon12 website is stable 10:55 thd However, deferring to whomever is doing the hard work locally is reasonable. 10:55 jransom so 4: use wiki as well as 10:55 rangi mtj: kohacon11 (not 12 yet) 10:56 BobB 6. Bobb will issue second call for sponsors. 10:56 * magnus_mobile agreed with thd 10:56 Brooke k #agreed http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Category_talk:KohaCon11 for new abstracts in addition to the VPM site. 2 signoffs as with a bug will approve an abstract. 10:56 Brooke are we exhausted on this? 10:57 druthb completely. 10:57 thd I hope we are :) 10:57 jransom yup 10:57 Brooke #topic kohacon 2012 10:57 kf we should probably use #action for this or #agreed (next time) 10:57 kf is there a deadline for the proposals? 10:57 kf for kohacon2012? 10:58 kf if not we should perhaps set one so we can move on to have a poll at some point 10:58 magnus_mobile that' what i think we need to set... 10:58 magnus_mobile i added some points to the wiki page for this meeting 10:59 kf #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Proposals_for_KohaCon12 10:59 magnus_mobile deadlines for proposals and voting 11:00 kf I thik the goal was to have the place and date ready at kohacon11? 11:01 magnus_mobile what's a reasonable deadline for proposals? 11:01 kf how long do we need for the poll? 11:01 jransom i'm going to slope off to bed folks - night all. 11:03 magnus_mobile 1st september for the proposals, 1 month for voting? 11:03 kf sounds ok to me 11:04 kf all asleep now? :) 11:04 thd We should have proposals with sufficient time to vote a year on the question a year in advance of the event. However, we may not have quite managed that. 11:05 Brooke magnus that sounds good to me 11:05 magnus_mobile anyone disagree? 11:05 thd magnus_mobile +1 11:06 kf +1 11:06 mtj +1 11:06 Brooke #agreed proposals are due 1 September 11:07 mtj nice ;) 11:07 Brooke anything else on KohaCon 12? 11:07 magnus_mobile yay! 11:07 magnus_mobile agreed on deadline for voting too 11:07 magnus_mobile ? 11:08 Brooke I'm gonna say so 11:08 thd magnus_mobile +1 11:08 Brooke seeing no objections 11:08 BobB +1 11:08 Brooke #agreed voting closes 1 October 11:08 kf +1 11:08 magnus_mobile yay! 11:08 thd Voting does require some period of time to ensure participation. 11:08 mtj +1 11:08 Brooke magnus++ 11:09 Brooke a month is more than enough time. 11:09 kf I think with setting up the survey we should have at least 3 weeks of time for voting 11:09 Brooke 4 were set 11:09 Brooke we shall be fine. 11:10 * magnus_mobile will update the wiki once he is on a proper 'puter 11:10 BobB .. and post the lists? 11:10 Brooke anything else for KohaCon12? 11:10 thd Brooke: I had not understood that aspect of the proposal from magnus_mobile but I am fine with a 4 weeks voting period. 11:10 magnus_mobile not from me 11:11 BobB I think there shoudl be some conditions ... 11:11 BobB Like only propose if you have an organising committee and resources to organise the event... 11:11 BobB and only vote if you intend to personally attend (or at least try). 11:11 magnus_mobile one country can not host two years in a row is the only condition so far i think 11:12 kf I think Evergreen has a nice ilst 11:12 BobB kf: good find. 11:12 kf searching... 11:13 kf http://open-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=eg09:conference_nominations 11:13 kf I think this was what I had in mind 11:13 Brooke #link http://open-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=eg09:conference_nominations 11:14 Brooke #idea continue not to clash with EG if possible. 11:15 kf might not all apply for us, but perhaps a good starting point 11:16 thd kf ++ 11:16 BobB yeah, its mostly pretty good. 11:16 magnus_mobile looks good 11:16 Brooke I can flesh out some things to think over 11:16 thd The last requirement about transport cost obviously cannot be applied internationally. 11:17 kf no, too hard 11:17 kf perhaps add something like international airport easy to reach? 11:17 kf cost is too difficult, too hard to evaulate too 11:18 Brooke which is one of the reasons you rotate a conference venue 11:18 Brooke another is fatigue 11:18 thd kf: Some worthy venues may be at a significant distance from an international airport. 11:19 Brooke anything further to add to bidding procedure? 11:19 mtj that EG conference page is fantastic! 11:19 kf thd: true, but good train connections might make up for that 11:20 thd kf: Proximity to an international airport may mean that the cost of accommodations would be relatively high. 11:20 BobB Its a factor to consider, rather than a mandatory condition 11:20 Brooke I agree Bob 11:20 kf thd: I didn't say anything about distance - but we are an inernational group so it should not be too hard to get to the conference venue 11:20 Brooke I think most if not all of the conditions will be suggested 11:21 thd Yes, it is certainly a factor to consider. 11:21 Brooke movin on from minutia 11:21 thd kf: It is the 'usual cost' wording which would be especially difficult to sort internationally. 11:22 Brooke #topic Global Bug Squashing Day 11:22 Brooke #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/2011-07-08_Global_bug_squashing_day 11:22 Brooke do eeet. 11:22 Brooke Anything to add magnus? 11:22 magnus_mobile not really 11:22 Brooke #topic Old Business 11:22 thd kf: The intention is quite good with some more appropriate wording. 11:22 magnus_mobile it's all on the wiki, i hope 11:23 Brooke seeing none 11:23 Brooke #topic Miscellaneous 11:23 Brooke random stuff goes here 11:24 Brooke #topic time and date of next meeting 11:24 Brooke k when next? 11:25 Brooke I am limiting time of discussion on this to ten minutes because I'm an iron fisted dictator. 11:25 druthb +1 for ten-minute topic limits. 11:25 * druthb needs caffiene. 11:25 magnus_mobile Brooke++ 11:26 druthb Brooke++ #iron-fisted dictators. 11:26 mtj i suggest '2011-08-06' 11:27 Brooke if you mean 6 August that is a Saturday 11:27 kf and time is 8 hours back I think 11:28 Brooke 3 August is that Wednesday 11:28 Brooke but if you're keen on Saturday I'll let you do it, just be aware that you will not be like to have any playmates 11:28 mtj 3 August 2011 at 18:00 UTC+0 11:28 BobB I have to go. Thanks all. Good night. 11:28 Brooke cheers Bob 11:29 Brooke thanks for toughing this out 11:29 mtj no no! not saturday :) 11:29 Brooke k 11:29 Brooke any objections to 3 August 1800 UTC? 11:29 rangi hmmm shouldnt it be 0200 11:29 kf nope +1 11:29 rangi but i dont mind either way 11:29 magnus_mobile +1 11:30 kf I think last was 20 for me, today is 12 - so should be 4 next 11:30 kf whatever this is in utc 11:30 kf we are doing -8 instead of +8 it seems 11:30 rangi yeah that would be 0200 11:30 kf ok, so I agree with rangi 11:31 kf although it 11:31 mtj rangi: ah - sorry, i thought the rule was add 8 hours 11:31 kf 's an evil time 11:31 Brooke for you 11:31 Brooke for kiwis, not so much :P 11:31 kf yep for me :) 11:31 kf slept through the last 4 am meeting... 11:32 Brooke so 11:32 rangi ok, im off to sleep 11:32 Brooke objections to 3 August 2 UTC? 11:32 mtj 3 August 0200 UTC 11:32 thd 2 UTC is less desirable for more people than other times but my effort to find times which worked for everyone did not produce a great result. 11:32 mtj no objections from me 11:33 mtj +1 11:33 magnus_mobile no objections, but i will probably not attend... 11:33 thd Much of Europe may be on holiday in early August so perhaps we would miss fewer people than usual. 11:34 Brooke Much of Europe will be asleep at that time :P 11:34 * magnus_mobile is on holiday now ;-) 11:34 kf yep 11:34 kf more asleep than on holiday I woudl guess 11:34 thd s/on holiday/on holiday and asleep/ # :) 11:34 Brooke and the iron fisted dictator says your ten minutes is just about up! 11:34 kf oh :( 11:35 kf so, dictator set the last #agreed :) 11:35 Brooke yep 11:35 Brooke hearing nothing more brilliant 11:35 Brooke #agreed 3 August 0200 UTC 11:36 Brooke ta for coming all :) 11:36 thd Shifting by 6 hours each time may be something to consider in future. 11:36 magnus_mobile ta for chairing Brooke 11:36 mtj thanx Brooke for chairing 11:37 thd Brooke: You have identified a problem with uploading and categories on the wiki. 11:37 * oleonard is off to work. bbl. 11:37 thd Brooke: The uploading should be easy to fix. 11:37 Brooke no skin off of my nose 11:37 magnus_mobile yup, categories on the wiki are messed up 11:38 thd Brooke: When did you first notice a problem with setting the categories? 11:38 Brooke a bazillion months ago 11:38 Brooke you can sort of set them manually 11:38 Brooke but that's a bit of a bear 11:38 thd a bazillion months ago all was fine and I was using it regularly. 11:39 magnus_mobile or some plugin that turns the categories into a hierarchical list with checkboxes is not doing it's thing, to be precise 11:39 Brooke ta da there are the words I lack 11:39 thd It does still work currently except that there are extra categories which have been added by something which may have been installed. 11:39 magnus_mobile Brooke: close the meeting with the bot? 11:40 Brooke oops 11:40 Brooke #endmeeting 11:40 huginn Meeting ended Wed Jul 6 11:39:50 2011 UTC. 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(v 0.1.4) 11:40 huginn Minutes: http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-07-06-10.04.html 11:40 huginn Minutes (text): http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-07-06-10.04.txt 11:40 huginn Log: http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-07-06-10.04.log.html 11:40 magnus_mobile what is listed as categories are mostly not categories at all 11:40 thd magnus_mobile: do you have any better idea than a bazillion months ago? 11:41 thd magnus_mobile: exactly 11:41 magnus_mobile can't really remember... 11:41 Brooke winterish sound right to you Magnus? 11:41 thd magnus_mobile: Something must have changed as no one created those 'categories'. 11:41 Brooke cause I want to say it was that long... 11:42 magnus_mobile i seem to recall something was imported into the wiki. templates maybe? and then it happened... 11:42 nengard database/mysql question 11:42 nengard is biblioitem.totalissues populated? 11:42 nengard it doesn't look like it on my system ... 11:42 magnus_mobile yeah winterish 11:42 thd magnus_mobile: Do you remember what was imported? 11:42 magnus_mobile in the northern hemisphere, that is ;-) 11:43 thd I am in the north and I had not had enough time for Koha during the winter. 11:43 magnus_mobile thd: i think maybe the stuff that is now listed as categories 11:44 * magnus_mobile apologizes for slow typing on mobile phone 11:44 thd magnus_mobile: Yes but I suspect that comes from installing an extension. 11:44 magnus_mobile maybe, not sure 11:44 mtj nengard: nor for me either - an unused column perhaps? 11:45 thd My telephone number for similar big problems with the wiki +1 212-674-3783 11:45 nengard mtj, any idea how to get totalissues - other than counting on the issues table? 11:45 thd I may not always look at email but I almost always answer the telephone. 11:45 nengard or maybe items.issues 11:46 magnus_mobile thd: noted 11:47 Brooke thd talk to galen 11:47 thd I am going to look for the source of the problem now. 11:47 Brooke he might have a better bead on this 11:47 thd Brooke: most likely 11:48 mtj nengard: my hunch is totalissues column is buggy 11:48 thd bugs are everwhere eeek :) 11:48 nengard mtj - me too 11:48 nengard reporting now 11:49 thd gmcharlt_: are you with us? 11:49 * magnus_mobile wanders out into the sunshine and hopes to see everyone on good form on global bug squashing day! 11:49 thd Brooke: blocking uploads may have had something to do with the wiki spam problem. 11:49 nengard bug 6557 11:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6557 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , biblioitems.totalissues unused 11:50 Brooke thd: well set protections however ye need to to let me upload me shtuff when I'm logged in. 11:51 mtj nengard: mysql> select sum(issues) from items where biblionumber = 51; 11:51 * Brooke feels a left join comin' on 11:51 mtj nengard: that sql should do the same, for a bib 11:51 thd Brooke: I am merely guessing and of course there is no intention of blocking anyone who is not a spammer :) 11:52 nengard thanks mtg, it looks like the librarian wants the total issues for each item, so I didn't have to do the sum bit 11:52 Brooke k I'm going back to bid because I'm ornery. 11:52 thd Brooke: If a hammer was the only tool at hand it may have been used on the delicate cake. 12:39 oakivil so EDI never made it into 3.4 12:40 oleonard Because the work is still in progress 12:40 oakivil is there any place where to follow its current whereabouts? 12:46 oleonard slef: Was sekjal working with you on that? 12:46 oakivil yeah 12:47 oakivil i guess i already asked them about it 12:47 oakivil sekjal: where can I find more information about the EDI module? 12:47 oleonard oakivil: sekjal is not here 12:47 oakivil so it seems 12:47 oakivil he hasnt been around in a while 12:50 oleonard oakivil: Are you hoping to help develop or test, or are you just wanting to know when it's ready? 12:51 oakivil to know when its ready 12:51 oakivil oleonard: possibly help develop it if it will be in production for years 12:51 oakivil oleonard: we definetely need to tweak it for our own needs anyway 12:52 oleonard If you're going to need to tweak it anyway then I suggest getting involved now so that your "tweaks" can be incorporated 12:52 oleonard Unless you plan on running your own branched version long-term 12:53 oakivil we are still planning our steps to move to Open Source ILS' 12:53 oakivil just finding out what modifications are needed to have Koha match our needs 12:53 oakivil and what they might cost 12:54 oleonard If EDI is a requirement then I suggest you inquire about helping to sponsor it 13:00 oakivil does LibLime have its own proprietary code? 13:01 oakivil I'm reading an article where it says the Enterprise Koha has more functionality than the community Koha? 13:01 oakivil I thought Koha is licenced as such that it cannot be branched like that 13:03 kf long story 13:03 kf I would say different featuers 13:03 oleonard LibLime bends the rules by promising to release code "soon." 13:03 kf there is a git repository now - but I think it's not the version they run for their customers 13:03 oleonard ...and then not releasing code for years. 13:03 kf and there is no community 13:03 oakivil sounds dirty 13:04 oakivil so liblime is developing the EDI, so there will be no EDI for the community 13:04 nengard oakivil, there will be EDI for the community because it's being worked on 13:04 nengard it will probably be implemented differently 13:04 nengard since developers didn't see the other EDI code before starting their work 13:04 oakivil ok 13:05 kf not sure acq are the same in liblime koah and koha 13:05 kf I think they have the old acq module or get it 13:05 oakivil hmm 13:05 oakivil so what can I write about the community EDI? 13:05 kf get it being a different program 13:05 kf I think you should talk to slef and bywater 13:05 kf it's in the works 13:06 oakivil slef: where can I follow the state of the EDI you are developing? 13:06 nengard http://bywatersolutions.com/2010/10/13/bywater-solutions-and-software-coop-collaborating-on-koha-edi-support/ 13:06 oakivil seen that 13:06 wahanui I haven't seen 'that', oakivil 13:07 oleonard oakivil: Are you hoping to track an in-progress git repo? 13:07 oakivil i presume they have some kind of project management system 13:07 oakivil where they have tasks or goals set 13:07 oakivil and % of completion 13:08 oleonard ... 13:08 oakivil lika JIRA? 13:08 oakivil wiki? 13:08 oakivil but google doesnt know :D 13:09 oleonard wahanui: wiki is http://wiki.koha-community.org 13:09 wahanui OK, oleonard. 13:10 nengard those questions are for sekjal and slef 13:22 oakivil hi sekjal! 13:23 oakivil been waiting for you 13:23 sekjal hi, oakivil 13:23 oakivil sekjal: where can i get to know more about the EDI module? 13:23 druthb run away, sekjal! run away! 13:23 oakivil now hold it there mister 13:24 sekjal oakivil: it's not so much a module as a series of scripts by software.coop 13:25 sekjal slef has given ByWater access to those scripts, so that we can work on integrating them with current HEAD 13:26 sekjal unfortunately, at this time, I don't have much to show. my time has been devoted to other business lately 13:26 slef yeah, it drives C4::Acquisitions 13:26 oakivil hmm 13:26 slef reacting to database and ftp stimuli 13:27 slef talk to me tomorrow when I'm not in a meeting 13:28 slef or interrogate sekjal 13:28 oakivil hmm 13:28 oakivil mhhmhhm 13:32 oakivil sekjal: do you have any established goals for the EDI? A vision, use-case plans or similar? 13:35 sekjal it should be able to handle the various EDI definitions used standard around the world. the incoming file should be uploadable to a directory, whereby Koha parses the information according to the standard into the necessary places in the database 13:42 oakivil ok 13:42 oakivil sounds like we do it 13:43 oakivil so it reads the daily changes/additions from a vendor and imports them to the database 13:44 oakivil then the purchased items are actually searched from Koha's own database, instead of browsing a vendor catalog 13:44 oakivil sekjal: or am i totally lost? 13:45 oakivil sekjal: how is the purchase work? 13:45 oakivil how does* 13:49 sekjal oakivil: don't know, exactly 13:54 oakivil ok 14:19 kf sixcms-- 14:46 rhcl_away Am I late for the meeting, I wonder? 14:51 hdl rhcl: somthing like 4 hours. 14:53 rhcl oh 15:00 oleonard rhcl: 10:00 UTC+0 = 6AM EDT 15:13 rhcl oh 15:20 oleonard I'm sure sick of seeing "feature teasers" about "Liblime Academic Koha." Where's the mention of open source? Or has has it been agreed that it's not really open source after all? 15:23 kf chris_n: around? 15:24 kf hm, I lost track a little - what is the planned released date for 3.4.3? 15:24 kf oleonard: yeah :( 15:25 * Oak waves 15:26 rhcl oak 15:26 sekjal oleonard: jquery tablesorter question 15:26 Oak rhcl 15:26 oleonard sekjal: shoot 15:26 oleonard re: Bug 6484? 15:26 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6484 normal, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW , due date sorter on 'my summary' missing 15:27 sekjal yes. 15:27 sekjal is there any reason not to move the header sort info out of the Javascript, and into the <th>? 15:27 sekjal since the number and order of columns varies so wildly on that page? 15:29 oakivil sue liblime? 15:29 oakivil but who gets the money :D ? 15:29 oleonard sekjal: No reason not to that I know of, just haven't used that method in the past 15:30 sekjal oleonard: okay, cool. when columns keep popping in and out depending on your settings, using column numbers to designate which to sort gets iffy 15:31 oleonard Agreed. 15:31 sekjal and I didn't see another way to do the headers by ID, except to put the markup in the <th> 15:32 reiveune bye 15:35 rhcl I get the money. Pizza party at my shack upon receipt. Hackathon. With enough Lowenbrau the coders will transition nicely from Perl to Prolog, and Koha will be completely in Japanese on top of a MUMPS db. 15:36 kf oakivil: afaik there is nothing we can sue for 15:36 oakivil rhcl: beam me up! 15:37 oakivil i thought Koha licence prevents selling as proprietary, any part somehow connected to Koha 15:38 oakivil or keeping the code to oneself 15:38 oakivil and code must be made available on request 15:38 kf I am not a license expert, but I think some people looked into that 15:38 oakivil ok 15:39 oakivil i tust your verdict 15:39 wizzyrea I think you're thinking of the AGPL 15:39 oakivil cant really remeber how the licenses went 15:41 sekjal oakivil: so long as all the stuff they wrote is only hosted on their servers, not distributed to other people's machines, they can keep it closed-source 15:42 oakivil clever! 15:44 oakivil http://193.65.112.189/miscdist/Report%20of%20Koha%20Cataloguing%20v03.pdf 15:45 oakivil wrapped up a preliminary raport about your cataloguing, acquisiton and authorities modules 15:45 oakivil you can read it and then mock me all you can. I can take it :D Then after i have collected the bits of my self esteem I will correct it 16:10 kf nengard++ 16:10 nengard :) 16:10 nengard on a roll 16:10 kf yeah I see it :) 16:10 kf I am waiting for my new laptop - hope to do some bug squashing on friday :) 16:11 kf but not sure when it will arrive and how long installing koha and everything else willt ake :( 16:15 nengard from 50 needing sign off down to 46 ... not sure i can test any of the others ... too many with out descriptions of the problem or the solution 16:15 oleonard new_laptop++ 16:17 kf nengard: I think we should ask some questions on them - but have not come around to do that :( 16:17 kf oleonard: I hope so :) on my old laptop loading a koha page takes 2 seconds 16:18 kf it's eight years old, time for retirement 16:18 oleonard Indeed! 16:18 kf more 3-4 seconds actually 16:22 kf bye all :) 17:09 cait hi #koha 17:09 cait ah, now I missed paul_p 17:14 nengard_lunch is there a way (jquery?) to add a link to the more menu in the staff client? 17:19 cait hm 17:19 cait jquery will work 17:19 cait but I wonder if there was/is a syspref 17:19 cait you can add more links to the nav bar - I did that for one of my libraries 17:20 nengard yup, but this library wants it in the 'more' menu 17:20 nengard not the nav bar .... 17:20 cait IntranetNav 17:21 nengard yeah, i know about that one 17:21 nengard but it adds it next to More not under More 17:21 cait if it doesn't work the description is wrong 17:21 cait Show the following HTML in the More menu at the top of each page on the staff client (should be a list of links or blank): 17:21 nengard hmmm 17:22 nengard it should say 'next to the More menu" 17:22 cait hm even before the More menu 17:22 cait looks a little weird with the cart now 17:22 nengard yup 17:22 nengard agreed 17:22 cait the cart should perhaps be at the end 17:22 nengard will report a bug and fix the text 17:23 nengard for that preference 17:23 cait want me to try and figure out the jquery for you? 17:26 cait hm, I am trying 17:27 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6558] intranetnav has the wrong description <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6558> 17:28 nengard there, all fixed 17:28 nengard thanks cait, jquery would be great 17:30 cait almost there, but looks a little wrong 17:31 cait $(document).ready(function(){ 17:31 cait $("#moremenu .bd ul").append('<li><a href="/cgi-bin/koha/virtualshelves/shelves.pl">Lists again</a></li>'); 17:31 cait }); 17:32 cait will add your new link to the end of the list 17:33 cait do you need it to be at a special position in the list? 17:34 cait nengard? 17:34 wahanui i think nengard is fast 17:34 cait right :) 17:34 nengard hehe 17:35 nengard End of list is fine :) 17:35 nengard you're awesome 17:35 cait :) 17:37 nengard cait++ 17:37 nengard works lovely 17:38 cait hm missing a plugin here to check if the li was inserted at the right place 17:38 cait hi oleonard 18:34 * slef is speeding home through the midlands and west country 18:36 rangi oleonard: we should send marshall a press release about the bug sign off day, he publishes anything verbatim, best counter to the talk about liblime ils, is to talk about actual koha 18:37 rangi you know, the one people can actually download and use 18:37 rangi :) 18:40 oleonard Hey, your pragmatism is interfering with my angry ranting :P 18:40 cait morning rangi 18:40 wizzyrea ohsnap did someone just call rangi a pragmatist?! 18:40 cait I thik talking about real koha is the best thing we can do 18:43 rangi heh 18:44 slef someone should send nz some of these trains. tranzscenic is cool. SuperVoyagers are practical. 18:45 rangi track gauge here is wrong 18:46 rangi we cant have fast trains they fall off the tracks 18:46 rangi stupid narrow gauge 18:46 wizzyrea d;oh 18:46 wizzyrea d'oh 18:49 slef reguage as you replace. we did, twice IIRC. 18:50 slef SVs tilt to avoid falling off our tracks though :) 18:50 rangi yeah that would be sensible, our govt instead sold the track and trains to overseas interests who plundered it 18:51 rangi sold off most of the rolling stock 18:51 rangi forget who owns it now 18:52 slef yeah, ours too, then a later one did fun stuff to help the track co go bust and move track into a non-profit 18:52 slef probably foreign banks, like our trains 18:53 rangi most likely 18:53 slef one reguaging was done pre-nationalisation though 18:53 rangi they own most everything else 18:54 rangi I think here it would have to be done with pubkic 18:54 slef yeah 2d and kiwibank trade on not being furry nahs, don't they? 18:54 rangi public money even 18:54 slef shame their service is a bit random :-/ 18:55 rangi if we keep this current govt, they'll sell kiwibank 18:55 slef (emubank?) 18:55 rangi and the last of the power co's too 18:56 rangi they are asset sales junkies 18:56 rangi ohh its making money, quick sell it 18:56 rangi morons 18:58 slef nutty. once sold, it's hard to get back anything worth having. Privateers (including most of the news media) flame expropriation 18:58 rangi yeah 18:58 slef no chance of getting them sold to trusts? 18:59 slef = remove them from the privatisation game, if done right 18:59 rangi highly unlikely, john key is a former investment banker 18:59 rangi privitisation is always the right thing 18:59 rangi its a dogma 19:00 rangi facts and logic have no place 19:00 slef hrm, you'd think a banker would be unelectable at the mo :( 19:00 rangi yeah 19:01 rangi election this year 19:01 rangi heres hoping 19:01 slef hrm, I'd best look at the police's website, see if my home is still cordoned off :/ 19:01 rangi eeek 19:02 wizzyrea !! 19:02 library_systems_guy has anybody used druthb's migration scripts for Symphony before? 19:02 * wizzyrea gets scared about slef's house being cordoned off 19:04 rangi library_systems_guy: not me, they've been used a few times tho I bet 19:04 rangi at catalyst we never touch the existing system, thats up to the library to do 19:05 library_systems_guy sad day for the library lol 19:05 slef wizzyrea: http://bit.ly/oZT7Xo and my http://identi.ca/mjray 19:05 rangi well they have the license 19:05 rangi we dont 19:05 rhcl why do I keep getting disconnected I wonder 19:05 wizzyrea slef :( 19:05 library_systems_guy thats true...its amazing how hard it is to get your own data out of a legacy system 19:05 slef but no, cordon for another day... so I'll be dodging that then ;)0 19:06 wizzyrea slef: how small of a town constitutes a "village" in england? 19:06 wizzyrea how many residents? 19:07 rangi library_systems_guy: its unethical behaviour from the proprietary vendors .... free software ftw 19:07 slef wizzyrea: no formal definition. Parish (5 settlements) is about 3000 total IIRC 19:07 wizzyrea aha, ty 19:07 wizzyrea yea, that would be traumatic for a town that size 19:08 library_systems_guy rangi: agreed 19:08 wizzyrea I think in the entire time I lived in my hometown (about 4000 people) there was only one or two deaths that were remotely suspicious 19:08 wizzyrea everything else was accidents or natural deaths. 19:08 wizzyrea s/was/were 19:08 * wizzyrea facepalms 19:08 rangi thats what they want u to believe 19:09 wizzyrea stopit you're making me paranoid! 19:09 rangi heh 19:09 slef wizzyrea: we get 2 or 3 sus deaths a month, most are unremarkable, unreported 19:09 * wizzyrea remembers that rangi has never been to lindsborg... feels better 19:09 rangi yeah way more sus stuff if id been there 19:10 wizzyrea ^.^ 19:10 rangi ok time to get up 19:10 rangi bb from the bus 19:10 slef wizzyrea: sus death = they hadn't seen a doc in3 months, here 19:10 slef I think. 19:10 wizzyrea ooo 19:11 slef these had helicopters and stuff landing on the village green, which is still taped off afaik 19:12 slef I'm wondering whether to evade the cordon or just try riding straight through it like I did this morning :) 19:12 wizzyrea zounds 19:13 slef if you don't hear from me again, I rode through and it ended badly :) 19:13 slef well I think there must be a good 200 home inside the cordon. can't stop us all 19:14 wizzyrea you're such a rebel ;) 19:14 slef I suspect they're searching cars 19:14 wizzyrea you'll be on your bike though, right? 19:15 slef but I don't know 19:15 slef yeah, so small, armoured and mobile 19:16 slef (I left in rush hour, so wore protective nonsense) 19:16 wizzyrea huh, that's really bizarre: http://screencast.com/t/du3wdtkf0 19:17 slef bah... I've so,me rda podcasts to listen to but no motivation right now :/ 19:17 slef wizzyrea: whassat (no browser open on phone atm) 19:18 wizzyrea it's a screencast showing the guided reports wizard, on the location limiter, it shows values that aren't in the authorized values 19:18 wizzyrea it's quite weird 19:18 slef Hmm. debug required? 19:18 wizzyrea yea, I think so 19:19 slef one for bsp? 19:20 wizzyrea mmm I don't think it's *that* big of a deal 19:20 wizzyrea certainly less critical than other days 19:20 wizzyrea s/days/bugs 19:21 slef sounds like a pita though 19:21 cait pita? 19:21 wizzyrea pita is pain in the arse 19:21 wizzyrea pita? 19:21 wahanui hmmm... pita is pain in the arse 19:21 slef wahanui: PITA is pain inthe arse 19:21 wahanui ...but pita is pain in the arse... 19:21 wizzyrea pita is also a kind of bread, usually with pockets 19:21 wahanui okay, wizzyrea. 19:22 wizzyrea pita? 19:22 wahanui i guess pita is pain in the arse or a kind of bread, usually with pockets 19:22 slef heh, time and typing fail 19:22 cait lol ok 19:23 slef hrm, think the passenger next to me is alighting... biab 19:29 slef today was fun btw... socomemcon :) 19:30 slef (SOftware.COop MEMbers CONference) 19:31 slef I have a pic. mle has tons 19:33 sekjal does misc/translator/translate require any additional action to update a language's template files between 3.2 and 3.4? 19:34 cait action like? 19:34 slef can't remember sorry :( 19:34 cait for testing I used something like perl translate update de-DE 19:34 cait to see if new strings get added 19:34 cait I thik the script can do all languages at once now too 19:34 slef cait: like another command for the template language change 19:34 cait ah 19:35 cait hm 19:35 slef cait: like another command for the template module change 19:35 cait sekjal: rangi will now I think, should be back 19:35 slef I mean :) 19:35 cait soon 19:35 cait yep; I think I understood :) 19:35 cait I did a lot of testing, but not sure how it was done 19:35 slef cool 19:36 slef looked silent to me, then I realised I was crossing a not spot 19:36 cait ok- now I don't understand 19:36 slef (opposite of a hotspot) 19:37 cait ah 19:37 slef no network for 200m or so 19:43 rangi I can't recall anything special, fredericd is the one to ask about translation stuffs 19:45 cait ah ok 19:45 cait probably we didn't do anything? 19:46 cait there are not that many with template strings 19:46 cait got all fuzzy I assume - because placeholders work differently now 19:49 rangi yep 20:02 rangi yay sun is coming out 20:02 rangi shit 20:03 cait ? 20:03 rangi tsunami warning 20:03 wizzyrea !! 20:03 cait :( 20:03 wizzyrea http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/06/quake-pacific-idUSN1E7651IT20110706 20:03 wizzyrea even better: http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/5247203/Tsunami-warning-for-New-Zealand 20:04 rangi poor kermadecs 20:05 ibeardslee not good 20:05 wizzyrea those are some teensy tiny islands 20:05 ibeardslee is it just me .. or does poor old mother earth seem to be rebelling a bit more recently? 20:05 wizzyrea people live there? 20:06 rangi the ring of fire is starting to piss me off 20:06 rangi yep they do 20:06 rangi not many 20:06 ibeardslee rangi: less chilli then 20:06 * wizzyrea rimshots 20:07 wizzyrea 1m, big or small tsunami? 20:07 rangi small 20:07 * wizzyrea has no frame of reference for these things 20:07 rangi but still 3 feet 20:08 wizzyrea well I know about how big a meter is :) 20:08 rangi and its not a single wave 20:08 rangi it just keeps coming 20:08 ibeardslee more a surge than a wave isn't it? 20:08 rangi yeah 20:08 wizzyrea a really wide wave 20:09 rangi more like a river than a wave 20:10 rangi kermadecs are quite a way away, so most likely nothing 20:10 rangi but 7.8 20:10 wizzyrea that is pretty epic 20:10 rangi thats gotta leave a mark 20:11 ibeardslee I did see some mention of some rattles felt in nz .. don't know if that was a separate incident or a ripple from that quake 20:11 rangi oh crap tonga 20:11 rangi hope it misses them 20:12 rangi right my stop 20:12 rangi bbiab 20:24 slef do the us or ca frack the pacififc rim? 20:25 slef wonder if that could affect it 20:26 cait hi sekjal 20:26 sekjal hi cait 20:26 sekjal sorry for disappearing; mandatory computer restart 20:28 slef right my stop... bbl 20:29 rangi http://en.securitylab.ru/lab/PT-2011-05 20:30 wizzyrea hmm 20:31 wizzyrea nice response time though 20:31 rangi i think we did ok there, 4 days after we got the details fix was out 20:31 rangi i sent ll a patch for theirs too, they havent integrated it yet 20:31 ibeardslee compare that to other software 20:32 rangi so anyone running Liblime ILS will want to apply that patch manually 20:32 wizzyrea hm, I imagine they can't do it directly :( 20:32 wizzyrea they'd have to request it 20:32 cait hm, and they might not know they are affected 20:32 rangi we can only do what we can do, patch is based on their fork, so should apply clean 20:33 rangi thats about all i can do 20:33 cait you did good 20:33 ibeardslee http://www.geonet.org.nz/tsunami/ 20:34 rangi i think they cancelled the alert for nz now 20:58 jcamins_away Oh, I missed an IRC meeting? 20:58 jcamins_away Whoops. 20:59 slef back... cordon has fallen back 50m or so, the pub and my house are now outside it :) 20:59 slef yeah jcamins_away so did I 20:59 slef mostly 20:59 jcamins_away slef: is there rioting? 20:59 wizzyrea thank heavens... would hate for the pub to lose business ^.^ 21:00 slef jcamins_away: no, suspicious death enquiry. Let me get the links again 21:00 slef http://bit.ly/oZT7Xo and my http://identi.ca/mjray 21:00 jcamins_away Does anyone have the links to meeting logs? 21:01 slef http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-07-06-10.04.html 21:01 jcamins_away Yikes. 21:14 cait bye #koha 21:14 rangi cya cait 21:15 slef created http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_Meeting,_2_August_2011 21:18 slef interesting... http://wiki.koha-community.org/w/index.php?title=General_IRC_Meeting,_2_August_2011&action=edit doesn't let me put it in the IRC Meetings category any more. Anyone know why not? thd? gmcharlt? 21:18 rangi categories are totally busted, i think thd was looking into it 21:18 slef @query categories 21:18 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3580 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Control order in which facet categories display 21:18 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=737 enhancement, P2, ---, mjr, NEW , Map of library in search system 21:18 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2399 normal, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , All status fields in the item edit interface offer two blank/null entries per dropdown instead of one 21:18 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3537 enhancement, P5, ---, chris, NEW , Option as to whether hold charges are determined by patron type or item type 21:18 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4171 enhancement, P5, ---, cnighswonger, NEW , overduerules.pl needs an overhaul 21:19 slef hrm 21:24 wizzyrea you can do something like [Category|The_category] iirc 21:24 wizzyrea er 21:24 wizzyrea that might be wrong 21:25 slef oh yeah, I've seen that 21:25 * slef tests 21:26 slef done 21:26 slef wizzyrea++ 21:26 slef [[Category:IRC Meetings]] fwiw 21:26 jcamins_away slef: thanks for the logs. 21:27 slef jcamins_away: np. I needed to read them anyway. Now linked from wiki too. 21:28 wizzyrea woot, I knew it was something like that 21:28 wizzyrea magnuse++ for originally teaching me that 21:31 slef that's the original WikiWikiWay... surprised it still works in mediawiki... most of the old ways don't :( 21:32 jcamins_away WikiWikiWay? 21:50 Space_Librarian 0/ 21:51 slef jcamins: http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?WikiWay 21:58 slef can someone boot sjohnson@hpplnj.org off of koha-patches please? http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-patches/2011-July/015374.html 22:25 rangi http://stats.workbuffer.org/ircstats/ 22:32 bg heh I guess I've fallen way down that list... 22:34 jcamins Every time I get up, Myshkin steals my chair. 22:34 jcamins Every time I come back, he tries to chew on my hand. 22:42 slef heh, spot NZEU overlaps 22:56 druthb o/