Time Nick Message 00:16 Brooke dinner! 00:34 Oak The most important trip you may take in life is meeting people halfway. ~Henry Boye 01:23 library_guy I would like feedback on this from anybody who has an opinion before I talk to the admins about it http://129.114.128.216/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=kw&op=and&idx=kw&op=and&idx=kw&do=Search&limit=mc-itype%2Cphr%3ABOOK&sort_by=relevance 01:26 library_guy to be more specific, the way the call numbers are handled* 01:40 druthb o/ 03:28 Brooke kia ora 04:26 * Brooke grumbles about the categories thingamabobber still not seeming to work right on the wiki 04:29 druthb I noticedthat, too. 04:35 eythian hello 04:39 Brooke ho there 04:41 eythian what did you call me? ;) 04:42 Agent_Dani Hi ho! 04:42 Agent_Dani ;) 04:42 * eythian is already at work, doesn't need to go there :) 04:44 Agent_Dani I'm sorry. I'm up way past my bedtime but tomorrow isn't a work day for me. 04:44 eythian It isn't really for me too, I'm doing conference prep. 04:49 * Agent_Dani nods 05:51 eythian three of five conference talks planned out...this is quite time consuming. 07:10 rangi yo yo 07:12 bg yo yo 07:21 eythian rangi: hola 07:24 rangi hey man, working sunday night? 07:24 eythian yeah :/ 07:25 rangi gowrie? 07:25 eythian prepping for the Malaysia workshop 07:25 rangi ahh right 07:25 eythian no, got the gowrie stuff done in a couple of hours on Friday, it went very smoothly 07:25 rangi sweet 07:25 eythian (thanks to druthb's scripts) 07:25 rangi druthb++ 07:26 * druthb takes a bow, humbly. 07:27 druthb eythian: I'm working on a doc for recovering-from-stale-data (if the server is still up, anyway), based on what I am learning tonight on CKLS. 07:27 eythian oh, cool 07:27 druthb It'll go in the repo, of course. :) 07:28 eythian sweet as :) 07:28 druthb Several new commits there tonight, fine-tuning a general-purpose table-loader I scribbled up. 07:28 eythian hmm, I realise that this workshop has nothing about development. I might have to see if I can slip in a small section about that. 07:28 rangi :) 07:28 eythian sounds good. 07:28 rangi open development ftw 07:29 * rangi may have had 50 million beers tonight 07:29 eythian haha 07:29 rangi dude bourbon street, its insanse 07:29 rangi -s 07:30 eythian heh, just the name is suggestive 07:30 eythian I think I've written all I can do tonight. Time to go I think. 07:31 rangi sweet, have a good sleep, and a good monday 07:31 druthb be well, eythian. :) 07:31 eythian Will do, I think that there's nothing particularly urgent tomorrow, for a change. 07:31 rangi im meeting ppl for breakfast in 5 hours, so i should sleep soon 07:32 eythian who sleeps at conferences? 07:32 eythian cy'all 07:33 rangi :) 07:33 bg eythian: rangi doesn't 07:34 rangi heh 07:41 bg night all 07:41 rangi yeah, i should sleep 09:07 cait hi #koha 09:50 cait wizzyrea: ping? 10:18 druthb hi, cait. 10:18 cait hi druthb :) 11:17 * Oak waves 11:17 Oak heya cait :) 11:17 cait hi Oak 11:18 Oak what's new? 11:35 druthb hi 11:35 wahanui niihau, druthb 11:35 Oak Helllllo druthb :) up early ?! 11:35 druthb not terribly early....was up very late, haven't slept long. 11:35 Oak hmm 13:19 |Lupin| hello there ! 13:20 druthb Hi |Lupin|! 13:21 |Lupin| hey druthb :) 13:22 |Lupin| www.koha-community.org seems down... anybody knows why ? 13:22 jcamins_away I can confirm. 13:23 jcamins_away |Lupin|: however, I have no idea. 13:24 |Lupin| but git.koha-community.org works 13:24 jcamins_away |Lupin|: yeah, they're on different servers. 13:24 jcamins_away I think wizzyrea hosts www. 13:25 |Lupin| jcamins_away: okay. I thought she was a librarian... :-) 13:26 jcamins_away |Lupin|: wizzyrea is a superlibrarian! 13:26 |Lupin| aaaaah ! 13:26 jcamins_away If I say "wizzyrea" one more time, will she appear, like Beetlejuice? 13:26 |Lupin| seems that librarians and computer scientists tend to learn rather a lot from each other in the koha community... 13:27 druthb wizzyrea! wizzyrea! wizzyrea! 13:27 cait tried that earlier today - no reaction :) 13:27 jcamins_away |Lupin|: actually, wizzyrea started out as a sysadmin, I think. 13:27 cait have to go... unfortunately 13:27 druthb rats. 13:27 cait oki, see you later :) 13:27 Oak later cait 13:27 jcamins_away Bye, cait. 13:27 Oak and bring something to eat 13:27 |Lupin| bye cait ! 13:28 |Lupin| jcamins_away: ah I wasn't aware of that, okay :) 13:28 |Lupin| okay, 13:28 |Lupin| no hurry about www 13:29 |Lupin| will go out and read a nice thriller until it works again 13:29 |Lupin| anyway, good to see you all again, folks 13:29 |Lupin| had some troubles to find the new chan ! 13:39 gmcharlt wizzyrea: around? 13:40 jcamins_away gmcharlt: hi! 13:40 gmcharlt hi jcamins_away 13:40 gmcharlt it was nice seeing in you person last night 13:40 jcamins_away Yes, it was very nice meeting you at last. 13:41 |Lupin| hello Galen ! 13:41 * druthb waves to gmcharlt 13:41 gmcharlt hi druthb, |Lupin| 13:41 |Lupin| gmcharlt: wizzyrea has an idle o more than one day... 13:44 * |Lupin| was all excited about installing a Koha and suddenly thought about zebra, excitment went down quickly 13:45 jcamins_away |Lupin|: Zebra's not quite so bad to install anymore. 13:46 |Lupin| jcamins_away: really ? sounds good. A few months ago it was really not so easy, at least for me. 14:00 gmcharlt @quote random 14:00 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #91: "<chris> Free as in kittens is a silly phrase that should die, if FOSS is free as in kittens, proprietary software is free as in an inbred purebreed cat. That costs thousands of dollars in vet bills every year and is slightly retarded." (added by wizzyrea at 08:42 PM, August 19, 2010) 14:00 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn. 14:11 library_guy good morning #Koha 14:12 library_guy seen rangi 14:12 wahanui rangi was last seen on #koha 6 hours, 30 minutes and 20 seconds ago, saying: yeah, i should sleep [Sun Jun 26 07:41:48 2011] 14:16 sekjal library_guy: rangi is at an ALA event this morning, I believe 14:16 library_guy ahh 14:17 library_guy cursed ALA lol...everybody that I needed to talk to at OCLC last week was there 14:17 sekjal it's pretty crazy big (sitting at our booth, watching the librarians go by) 14:18 library_guy oh so you are there too...man do I feel left out of the party 14:18 |Lupin| someone knows why koha requires theinstallation of the apache2-mpm-worker package in particular,over one other flavour of apache, on Debian based systems, please ? 14:18 |Lupin| does it have something to do with mod_perl ? 14:18 jcamins_away |Lupin|: It requires itk. 14:18 jcamins_away Not worker. 14:19 jcamins_away It's for security. It runs in different user. 14:19 library_guy can I ask your opinion on a change I'm working on 14:19 jcamins_away library_guy: you can. 14:19 library_guy http://129.114.128.216/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=kw&op=and&idx=kw&op=and&idx=kw&do=Search&limit=mc-itype%2Cphr%3ABOOK&sort_by=relevance 14:19 jcamins_away The connection here is lousy, so be aware it may take a while to respond. 14:19 library_guy its the change for call numbers 14:19 library_guy I was talking to druthb about it last night 14:20 library_guy but i always like more opinions 14:20 library_guy its cool jcamins_away 14:21 |Lupin| jcamins_away: hmm I'm planning to run koha and drupal (written in PHP) on the same host so which flavour of apache am I suposed to use ? 14:21 library_guy |Lupin|: I am doing that 14:21 jcamins_away |Lupin|: no idea. I don't know anything about drupal. 14:21 |Lupin| library_guy: oh cool and wihc apache packages do you have ? 14:21 library_guy you can use the one that Koha recommends 14:22 |Lupin| library_guy: but becuse of the dependencies between debian packages, doing that would remove drupal... :-) 14:22 library_guy acually |Lupin| i may have slightly lied 14:22 library_guy they are one two seperate servers 14:22 gmcharlt |Lupin|: if it's just a single Koha DB, mpm-worker, mpm-itk, or mpm-prefork shoudl all work with Koha 14:22 library_guy im sorry 14:22 library_guy i didn't read your message closely enough 14:23 |Lupin| library_guy: np 14:23 |Lupin| gmcharlt: ah cool, yeah will be just one koha db I think. 14:23 library_guy you are going to have fun with drupal |Lupin| 14:23 sekjal library_guy: do you have an example of search results returning titles with multiple items attached? 14:24 library_guy no I am getting my boss to add some today when she comes in so I can test that 14:24 library_guy but it should come out like: "Availability: 2 Copies available for loan at UT Tyler Library Electronic, Robert R. Muntz Library Stacks - 3rd Floor. 14:25 jcamins_away http://129.114.128.216/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?&limit=mc-itype,phr:BOOK&offset=60&sort_by=relevance 14:25 jcamins_away ^^ Example. 14:25 jcamins_away Both call numbers should show up. 14:25 library_guy oh you found one :D 14:25 library_guy thats odd that they don't :-\ 14:25 |Lupin| library_guy: fun ? are you cynical or just enjoying drupal ? 14:25 library_guy both 14:26 library_guy big learning curve for me 14:26 library_guy but I like it now 14:26 jcamins_away And they might be in different shelving locations, so I'm not sure that I like the shelving location on the first line. 14:26 library_guy hmm... 14:27 library_guy so could I pull the shelving location to a new row? 14:27 library_guy that is getting the results pretty long 14:27 jcamins_away library_guy: no, shelving location and call number on one row. 14:27 |Lupin| library_guy: I learned it already. That will be my second drupal site and I think I got all the possible problems with the first one which is muchmore complex than that one because it has an online store in it... 14:27 library_guy |Lupin|: oh yeah then you should be fine :) 14:28 |Lupin| library_guy: hoping the best...but one never knows... :/ 14:29 library_guy so like this "Availability: 1 Copy available for loan at Robert R. Muntz 14:29 library_guy Location: Library Stacks - 3rd Floor [LC2802.T4 H4 1982.]" 14:30 library_guy yeah exactly |Lupin| 14:30 jcamins_away library_guy: that's what I was thinking. But ask sekjal for his opinion. 14:30 library_guy i actually kind of like that jcamins_away 14:30 library_guy sekjal what do you think 14:30 sekjal library_guy: some feedback on your dev: 14:30 library_guy uh oh 14:30 sekjal first off, great! 14:31 * jcamins_away just asked sekjal for comments- he's sitting next to me. 14:31 library_guy aww you are both at ALA...now i really feel left out 14:31 gmcharlt library_guy: we'll eat beignets in your honor ;) 14:31 sekjal second, if there is no callnumber defined for the record, don't display the call number(s) line 14:32 library_guy thanks gmcharlt :) 14:32 library_guy sekjal: I can get behind that 14:32 sekjal I think that'll make the results a little bit cleaner for less thorough data sets 14:33 library_guy yeah this is definitely something i threw together late friday so it needs some refinement for sure 14:33 sekjal I'm also seeing, in the case where you have multiple items in multiple locations with different callnumbers, the locations are grouping on the Availability line (Good!), but only the first item's callnumber is parsed into the call number line 14:33 sekjal for 90% of data sets, I reckon that'd be fine 14:33 library_guy right but we have to be looking out for those odd balls 14:34 sekjal in the example last linked, result number 69 14:34 library_guy oh i see what you mean 14:34 sekjal in that case, the callnumbers should actually be the same 14:35 sekjal and the volume info should be in enumchron 14:35 sekjal but often times, call numbers are never that strictly done 14:35 sekjal collection codes can leak into the front, volumes/copies leak into the end 14:35 library_guy forgive me for being a newb sekjal but what is enumchron 14:36 sekjal library_guy: it's a field in the items table, to store volume/issue information 14:36 library_guy ahh gotcha 14:36 sekjal it's wired into Serials, but can be used without that module 14:37 library_guy i understand...i think 14:37 library_guy sometimes i feel like i need my MLS degree to code for Koha :'( 14:37 sekjal library_guy: you're doing great, and you'll keep learning as you go 14:37 library_guy for sure 14:38 library_guy sekjal, jcamins_away what do you think about the styling changes? 14:39 sekjal library_guy: I think the CSS looks great 14:39 library_guy awesome :) 14:39 sekjal the Lists button could use a little work to get it "in theme", but that's always a little tricky (some stuff is hardcoded) 14:40 library_guy a lot more than i had anticipated actually 14:40 sekjal if you check out the CSS on catalog.marlboro.edu, they redid that area with CSS3, I believe, which gives us nice, clean, native rounded corners 14:42 library_guy oh yeah i see that 14:42 |Lupin| btw who is maintainer of the master branch now ? is it chris from NZ ? 14:43 gmcharlt |Lupin|: yes 14:43 library_guy hey guys I've gotta Jet (breakfast with the inlaws) 14:43 library_guy but ill be back on later 14:43 library_guy thanks sekjal and jcamins_away 14:43 sekjal gladly, library_guy! 14:44 library_guy ya'll have fun at ALA 14:44 |Lupin| gmcharlt: and you are now maintainer of something else ? 14:45 gmcharlt |Lupin|: I'm currently just a plain ole developer on Koha and Evergreen 14:49 |Lupin| gmcharlt: okay. 14:50 |Lupin| gmcharlt: is evergreen another ILMS or is it a digital library ? can't remember, sorry 14:54 gmcharlt |Lupin|: it's another open source ILS - http://evergreen-ils.org 14:54 |Lupin| gmcharlt: ok, thanks 14:54 |Lupin| I'm just installing Koha on a Debian squeeze. 14:55 |Lupin| While installing I started to prepare files explaining how to install based on those in the repo for lenny 14:56 |Lupin| there are many modules that were installed through cpan for lenny but are packaged in squeeze 14:56 |Lupin| I hope nobody else started todo it before ? 15:35 |Lupin| hve to go now, till soon 17:47 library_guy sekjal and jcamins_away around? 17:47 sekjal library_guy: I'm here 17:47 library_guy http://129.114.128.216/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?&limit=mc-itype,phr:BOOK&offset=60&sort_by=relevance 17:47 library_guy can you look at result 69? 17:47 library_guy and give me your thoughts? 17:48 library_guy personally, I don't like it but i have no idea how I would fix it 17:48 sekjal I think it looks good. I like that you've got the shelving location and the call number clustered together 17:49 library_guy yeah I liked that 17:49 library_guy but the 2 locations don't bother you at all? 17:49 library_guy as far a differentiating them? 17:50 sekjal some kind of delimiter between the entries would help... either comma, or " | ", would be consistent 17:51 library_guy I thought about using a pipe too lol 17:52 sekjal in that particular case, the v.1's and such at the end of the callnumber may be creating some issues....but those would be discovered in testing/QA 17:53 cait hi #koha 17:54 sekjal hi, cait! 17:54 cait hi sekjal :) 17:54 cait how is ala? 17:54 library_guy i cait 17:54 sekjal busy 17:55 cait positively busy? :) 17:56 library_guy cait: what was that ticket number for unavailable items but still needed call numbers? 17:56 cait oh good question 17:56 cait let me dig it up 17:57 library_guy I'll start it as soon as i get this thing that I am working on committed 17:57 library_guy it didn't look too hard but I had one question about it 17:57 cait I think bug 5409 17:57 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5409 normal, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW , Call number is not show on Opac search result page. 17:57 cait hm 17:57 cait let me check, there might be more than one 17:57 library_guy i think there is 17:58 library_guy because that is definitely not the ticket you sent the other day 17:58 cait ok, mine is bug 5409 17:59 library_guy oh ok 17:59 library_guy ill get on it as soon as I run my changes by rangi and chris 17:59 cait bug 50 17:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=50 normal, P2, ---, chris, CLOSED INVALID, Z39.50 daemon does not recover well from failed connections to servers 17:59 cait gr 17:59 cait bug 5079 might be interesting too 17:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5079 enhancement, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW , Make display of shelving location and call number in XSLT results controlled by sysprefs 18:00 library_guy bleh...looks like ticket confusion haha 18:00 cait the 50 was only a typo :) 18:00 library_guy oh yeah i saw that 18:00 cait the other too might be affected by your work 18:00 library_guy but it looks like those other two tickets need done at the same time 18:00 rangi library_guy: email me your patch, ill take a look offlist if you like, otherwise when i get home :) 18:01 library_guy ok, I'm not sure if it should be a pref or an enhancement 18:01 library_guy if it needs to be a pref there is some more coe on my end that needs to be done 18:02 library_guy if it is an enhancement I think im basically done 18:02 library_guy link: http://129.114.128.216/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?&limit=mc-itype,phr:BOOK&offset=60&sort_by=relevance 18:02 rangi what am i looking at? 18:03 library_guy looking at the way the location and availability has changed in the results 18:03 library_guy sorry* 18:03 library_guy meant to type that faster lol 18:03 rangi ah no worries 18:04 rangi i like that a lot 18:04 library_guy sweet :D 18:04 rangi brb 18:05 library_guy there is one bug that I see right now that I want to get fixed before i make a patch...volume numbers are messing up when i do the call numbers so I'll need to look into that 18:05 library_guy actually i've gotta run to Ikea 18:05 library_guy but I'll leave this up if you would share your thoughts on it :) 18:05 library_guy bbl #Koha 18:08 * druthb puts another notch on her desk leg. Another migration success. yay! 18:08 cait druthb++ 18:09 * cait waves to rangi 18:21 druthb sekjal++ #handy fix for Bug 6151. 18:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6151 major, P5, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED , IndependantBranches and HomeOrHoldingBranchReturn can prevent items from being checked in 18:26 sekjal back in a bit, need food 19:18 sekjal blarg blarg blarg blarg 19:19 sekjal I'm the cookie monster 19:19 wizzyrea heh 19:19 Agent_Dani heh 19:21 sekjal actually this is brendan - I just stole sekjal's computer for a sec 19:21 sekjal :) 19:21 sekjal later all 19:21 Agent_Dani Bye! 19:22 * Agent_Dani gets the GPS mount installation on her wife's bike finished - all set for riding around the Smokies next week. 20:24 library_guy back :) 20:33 library_guy sekjal, jcamins_away, rangi, do you think it should be a syspref to show the item location in the opac-search page 20:33 sekjal syspref say all three of us 20:34 library_guy good bc i already wrote it in :D 20:34 sekjal rangi says "sweet" 20:35 library_guy lol he is stealing my words :p 20:35 library_guy but i should still put the call number on the next "Location" line 20:52 library_guy patch submitted...I hope i did that update script correctly :-/ 20:58 library_guy dang it i submitted that patch without a ticket... 20:59 sekjal library_guy: don't worry, we can do the paperwork retroactively 20:59 sekjal or, rather, YOU can do the paperwork retroactively :) 21:01 library_guy lol 21:01 library_guy but how sekjal 21:01 sekjal file the report 21:01 sekjal and then either do a git commit --amend and resend 21:01 library_guy gotcha 21:01 sekjal or send a reply to the patches list with the bug number 21:02 library_guy that is what is more viable 21:02 library_guy email is hosed on my dev server :'( 21:02 sekjal also, since you'll be attaching the patch to the bug report, that's what we can pull to signoff 21:03 library_guy sweet 21:04 library_guy ugh unreliable internet 21:15 sekjal brb 23:07 mtj morning all 23:08 eythian Is it normal for the holds queue to take a while to update? 23:09 mtj eythian: there's a cornjob that builds that queue, afaik 23:09 eythian that's what I thought might be the case, but I can't see it. 23:09 * eythian looks at the code 23:11 mtj ./cronjobs/holds/build_holds_queue.pl 23:11 mtj ./misc/cronjobs/holds/build_holds_queue.pl 23:11 * druthb wavesto mtj and eythian. 23:11 eythian oh, duh. I'd forgotten that there was an hourly cronjob process. 23:12 eythian hiya druthb 23:12 mtj heya folks 23:12 mtj hows the ALA stuff going over there? 23:13 druthb eythian: i had a couple of new commits to the repo overnight--lessons learned stuff, and a tool that sekjal made that'll fix a couple of real obvious things on reports. 23:13 eythian awesome 23:13 druthb I don't know--I'm not there (The only member of my team who isn't)...but all I've heard has been good. 23:13 eythian I'll have to have a look when I next need to migrate from strange systems :) 23:14 eythian (or at least, strange systems I don't already have tools for :) 23:14 sekjal got to meet with some of the Indexdata guys at the Koha Hackfest, so that was productive 23:15 mtj heya ian, long time no chat 23:20 mtj ... i've got a date with a 3M self-check machine today 23:21 mtj the good news is lit looks pretty close to ready, with a just a couple of circ niggles to sort out 23:27 sekjal cool 23:32 eythian so, the holds queue report thing is a bit weird. It seems to be almost exactly the same as the 'holds to pull', except without the date filtering, and set by library. 23:32 eythian and also the help for it is a bit wrong, because it doesn't point that out.