Time Nick Message 00:02 * druthb got sunburnt pretty badly today at Capital Pride festival. 00:02 rangi ouch, got any aloe vera? 00:02 druthb yes. A nice thick goopy layer on my shoulders at the moment. 00:05 Agent_Dani druthb: Ouchie! 00:05 druthb yah. 00:05 Agent_Dani Remind me to slather you with my SPF 50 next time. ;) 00:40 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #295: SUCCESS in 43 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/295/ 00:40 jenkins_koha * fridolyn.somers: BUG4319 waiting items cannot be reserved 00:40 jenkins_koha * gmcharlt: bug 5653: use itemcallnumber in bib label layouts 00:40 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 5653: Follow-up, correction to nb-NO sample creator data 00:40 jenkins_koha * frederick.capovilla: Bug 5684 : Remove all items fields from a Z39.50 record imported for acquisition. 00:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5653 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , default new label layout and sample data have broken call number placeholder 00:40 jenkins_koha * m.de.rooy: 5860 Fixing stocknumber index 00:40 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bumping database number 00:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5684 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Z3950 search on OCLC pulls in items (tag 952) 02:24 rangi crap, if we felt that one 02:25 rangi chch is gonna be a mess 02:25 wizzyrea oh dear 02:25 wizzyrea another earthquake? 02:25 mtj hmm, i missed it :/ 02:25 mtj just then ? 02:25 eythian wizzyrea: yeah 02:25 rangi bout 5 mins ago 02:25 eythian http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/christchurch-earthquake-2011/5136644/Powerful-earthquake-rocks-Christchurch <-- wizzyrea 02:25 rangi following on from one earlier today 02:26 wizzyrea urg! 02:26 eythian it made our building sway 02:26 wizzyrea !!!! 02:26 eythian keeping in mind we're about 1,000km away 02:26 eythian (sway very slightly, but noticable) 02:26 rangi http://www.geonet.org.nz/earthquake/drums/ 02:26 wizzyrea oy 02:26 wizzyrea wowie, no lie 02:27 wizzyrea chch just very very unlucky this year 02:27 * druthb sees wizzyrea and goes (!) 02:27 rangi over 6 02:27 rangi they reckon 02:27 Space_Librarian_ Well, we felt it... that's not good at all 02:28 rangi http://www.geonet.org.nz/earthquake/drums/mqz-drum.html 02:28 rangi shift-refresh 02:28 eythian oh, 300km, not 1,000, but still... 02:28 wizzyrea oof 02:28 rangi http://www.geonet.org.nz/earthquake/drums/wel-drum.html <-- thats us 02:29 wizzyrea that's about as far as kansas is top to bottom 02:29 wizzyrea like, here to joplin (where the recent tornado was) 02:31 wizzyrea so in my terms - that's not very far 02:31 * ibeardslee missed the sway .. but isn't complaining 02:32 eythian 7th floor tends to sway a bit. 02:33 pauln wow i hadn't heard about the earlier ones 02:34 pauln didnt' feel nothing here - maybe 1550km to here 02:35 ibeardslee that last was a 6 02:36 rangi and only 9km down Space_Librarian_ tells me 02:36 Space_Librarian_ http://geonet.org.nz/earthquake/quakes/3528839g.html 02:37 rangi http://www.stuff.co.nz/ <-- thats a pretty heart wrenching photo 02:37 wizzyrea :( yea 03:46 eythian http://www.flickr.com/photos/eythian/4485769665/in/photostream <-- an old photo I just re-found. 05:54 oakivil Hi folks! And greetings from Finland. I am doing a research on koha and evergreen and after setting up Koha 3.4, I have some questions about "component parts". 05:54 oakivil How does one add them? 05:54 oakivil How are they implemented in the database level? 05:55 eythian where do you see that? 05:55 oakivil see what? 05:55 eythian component parts 05:55 oakivil I don´t 05:55 oakivil but they are really important for Finnish libraries, especially music cataloguing 05:56 oakivil but they are really important for Finnish libraries, especially for music cataloguing 05:56 eythian what do they do? 05:56 eythian are they perhaps the same as authorities? 05:56 eythian liw: you're also from strange remote lands, maybe you know :) 05:56 oakivil we catalog music cd's as a main biblio, then every piece of musc is catalogued as a child biblio 05:57 eythian oh 05:57 eythian that's new in 3.4 05:57 eythian it's called.... 05:57 eythian hrm 05:57 eythian ...analytics 05:57 eythian I think 05:57 oakivil analytics? 05:57 oakivil ok 05:57 oakivil I'll google on that 05:58 eythian Yeah. It's currently only set up so that you can have records for each article within a serial, but the infrastructure is there, it should be hard to extend it to more things (and I think that that's worthwhile, it's a bit limited the way it is now. But, perhaps there's some weird MARC rules or something.) 05:58 eythian *it shouldN'T be hard.... 06:00 oakivil hmm 06:02 oakivil how about displays? 06:02 eythian displays of what? 06:02 oakivil prolly easy to change too 06:02 oakivil displays of the modified data 06:02 oakivil i mean the web page which shows a listing of music items 06:03 oakivil well it ofc needs to be made by hand 06:03 eythian Oh, no idea. It's all template driven, so if you don't like what it's doing, changing it isn't a big deal. 06:03 oakivil ok 06:04 oakivil do you have any idea how those serials are built inside the database? 06:04 oakivil and the serial subrecords? how are they connected? 06:04 oakivil well maybe ill tinker with the db 06:05 eythian off the top of my head, there's a record identifier value in the parent (MARC21 field 008 or thereabouts) 06:05 oakivil ok 06:05 oakivil i was tracing it to 7xx fields 06:05 eythian and then the child records include that value in their 7xx field, $w or similar 06:05 oakivil ah ok 06:05 eythian (I've never seriously done this, I just checked to see that it worked a few weeks ago) 06:06 oakivil i was wondering what was the connection in marc21 06:06 eythian (so I know bits about it, but not a lot of detail) 06:06 oakivil can you help me with data migration? 06:06 eythian what are you migrating from? 06:06 eythian sometimes it's easy, sometimes it's a nightmare :) 06:06 oakivil PallasPro (a Finnish custom closed source ILS) using Ingres database 06:06 oakivil no database documentation available 06:07 oakivil :D 06:07 oakivil its a pain 06:07 oakivil uses FinMARC-format 06:07 oakivil we already got conversion rules from FinMarc to MARC21 06:07 eythian the way I do it is with some scripts I made that will take the data from a CSV-like format, and produce MARC21. But these are not particularly easy to use as I've made them for myself. 06:07 oakivil but maintaining the database relations while doing the migration is the tricky part 06:07 eythian (although you're welcome to try) 06:08 oakivil we will ues USEMARCON 06:08 oakivil with a conversion packet 06:08 oakivil but the marc data needs to be normalized so the USEMARCON can use it 06:08 eythian OK. I know nothing about that. I'm usually coming from crazy systems that have pretty limited MARC knowledge. 06:09 oakivil but mainly myu interest is that, currently i am not importing any marc data to koha, but instead just fill out the necessary biblio and biblioitems tables records 06:09 oakivil to make a testing environment 06:10 eythian ah right. 06:10 oakivil with the same keys from the original database, so i can connect those biblios im importing with existing patron and loan data 06:10 eythian there's something you can run that'll convert that to MARC, I think. 06:10 oakivil now thats grand 06:10 oakivil something i was hoping for 06:10 * eythian looks for it 06:10 oakivil anyway FinMARC data needs to be converted 06:11 eythian oh bother, I think it just did items, and now item MARC fields have been removed, I think the script has gone too. 06:11 oakivil and imported but for the time being having testing material and a testing environment to convince people around Finland that THIS is a good thing is important 06:11 oakivil ok no prop 06:12 oakivil but how does the database handle those subrecord queries? 06:12 oakivil if they are hidden inside the marcxml field 06:12 oakivil its sooooo slow 06:12 eythian If you're handy with Perl, you might be able to use the ModBiblio functions to do it, they should create the marc appropriately 06:12 eythian it uses zebra, which indexes them. 06:12 oakivil ok 06:13 eythian (zebra is a search engine that understands marc) 06:13 oakivil yeah i installed it and even did some research what it was about but kinda forgot :D 06:13 eythian heh 06:14 oakivil so i need to create a marcxml record which has the bare necessary fields to create subrecord links 06:14 oakivil when i add subrecords 06:15 oakivil ok 06:15 oakivil can do 06:15 eythian well, just to be awkward, I think the db stores both usmarc and marcxml. 06:15 oakivil tho it'll take days of work 06:15 oakivil yeah 06:15 oakivil but i think marcxml is easier 06:15 oakivil programmatically edited with groovy xml classes 06:15 eythian yeah, I'm just afraid it might get upset it one is missing. 06:15 eythian *if 06:16 oakivil what might be missing? 06:16 oakivil you mean i must fill both marc fields? 06:16 eythian Possibly. I'm not sure exactly how it uses them. 06:16 oakivil ok 06:16 oakivil well we'll see 06:17 eythian yeah 06:17 eythian it might also be that if you populate the marcxml, then you can run through with ModBiblio and have it magically tidy up each record. 06:17 oakivil ok, ill google for ModBiblio 06:18 eythian well, it's a function inside koha 06:18 eythian so, you'd have to write a script to talk to it. 06:18 oakivil ok 06:19 oakivil at what time do people hang around here? 06:19 oakivil like its 9:24 am here 06:19 eythian it varies. I'm surprised more Europeans aren't around yet. 06:19 oakivil ok 06:19 eythian I suppose it's only 8:24 for much of it. 06:20 eythian so perhaps in half an hour 06:20 oakivil yeah 06:20 oakivil prolly 06:20 oakivil are you from nz? 06:20 eythian yeah 06:20 oakivil so its pretty late 06:20 eythian 18:25, not too late 06:20 oakivil ok 06:46 reiveune hello 06:46 wahanui hello, reiveune 06:47 oakivil hi all 06:47 reiveune hi 06:49 eythian ah, there we go. France is waking up ;) 06:51 alex_a hello #koha 06:57 oakivil great, we were talking with eythian about subrecords and migration 06:59 Ropuch Morning #koha 07:01 sophie_m hi #koha 07:01 julian hello! 07:01 eythian hi y'all 07:01 rangi oakivil: cait is who you want to talk to about that 07:02 eythian or kf, who is the same person :) 07:02 rangi but you can do linking with the control number and 773 w 07:02 oakivil ok 07:02 rangi @marc 773 w 07:02 huginn rangi: Record control number (Repeatable) 07:02 oakivil eythian pointed that out too 07:02 rangi cool 07:02 matts hello ! 07:02 eythian rangi: it's wanted for music, and currently it's only set up for serials, AIUI 07:02 oakivil and it seems zebra does the indexing of marcxml 07:03 rangi eythian: works for anything 07:03 oakivil which is kewl since i was wondering how is marcxml queried efficiently as it is a mysql field 07:03 eythian I thought when we looked at it it required the marc item type header thingy to be correct. 07:03 eythian (where "correct" is serials) 07:04 oakivil Yeah the music people here in Finalnd are dying for those component parts 07:04 eythian rangi: also, openssl is a beast from another world. 07:04 rangi yep, but thats a quick xslt change 07:04 eythian I think one of these command lines is going to summon something inhuman. 07:04 eythian yeah 07:05 eythian especially as I have to repeat them multiple times... 07:05 rangi oakivil: yeah 07:05 oakivil hmm 07:05 oakivil It cant be that hard to make component parts available to other biblioitemtypes than SE? 07:05 oakivil It cant be that hard to make component parts available to other biblioitemtypes than SErials? 07:06 rangi no 07:06 rangi change the xslt files 07:06 wahanui rangi: that doesn't look right 07:06 eythian it won't be hard 07:06 eythian a couple of line changes 07:06 oakivil trouble is the integration with the community 07:06 oakivil i mean I can't just go and change whatever i like :D 07:06 rangi no thats no trouble either 07:07 paul_p_ hello world 07:07 rangi just send a patch 07:07 eythian personally, I don't see the point of restricting it to serials only. 07:07 rangi brb putting kids to bed 07:07 oakivil me neither 07:07 oakivil why should it even be restricted? 07:07 oakivil maybe it is optimized for serials 07:07 oakivil or it is dictated in MARC-format to be used for serials only?` 07:08 eythian no, there's no real semantic difference between serials and anything else for things like this. 07:08 oakivil ok 07:08 eythian It could be. MARC is strange. 07:08 oakivil now that we got to MARC, is there any way to alter the MARC-fields of a biblioformat? 07:08 oakivil other than by creating a new format or modifying an existing one 07:08 eythian how do you mean? 07:09 oakivil i mean straight from the cataloguing section 07:09 oakivil when one adds a biblio, can he on the fly add some marc fields 07:09 eythian ah right 07:09 oakivil you can duplicate existing fiuelds 07:09 eythian well, you'll have to create a framework that allows you to do that. 07:09 oakivil but not add new ones? 07:09 oakivil ok 07:09 oakivil so its just a boolean 07:10 eythian there's a bunch of things, but it boils down to that yeah 07:10 oakivil yeah, theres always a bunch of things. I miss the times when all I knew was java and arrays :D 07:10 eythian heh 07:11 eythian it's more a case that there's things like where to show, whether it's repeatable, and so forth. 07:11 oakivil ok 07:12 oakivil i like the administrative section, where you can modify so many system values 07:12 eythian yeah, everyone needs something different, so it all goes in there. 07:14 oakivil Anyone know anything about the off-line mode? or the library bus mode? 07:14 oakivil that is one of the key issues here in Finland as well 07:14 oakivil in addition to the importance of subracords 07:15 oakivil Mainly do they exists 07:15 eythian there is some form of offline mode, but I don't know anything about it. 07:43 eythian yay, finally got apache working with a test client cert. Now to get the information from that into Koha... 07:44 eythian rangi: you about? 07:45 rangi yep 07:45 eythian oh, I think I worked it out, nm 07:46 eythian just trying to remember how to pass cert values into perl 07:46 rangi ahh i think i put that in the bug in bugzila 07:47 rangi yay kristina is signing her mail now 07:47 rangi gpg++ 07:48 eythian rangi: you didn't, but that's OK :) 07:48 eythian see also: Bug 5576 :) 07:48 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5576 enhancement, P5, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED , Access Koha via SSL 07:48 eythian > That's not to say that one couldn't envision scenarios where a library would want to use client certificates, but unless the library is a spooky three-letter-agency, a public-facing OPAC is not a likely use case for that. 07:49 eythian our three letter agency isn't all that spooky :) 07:49 rangi yeah :) 07:49 rangi 4 letter one is but 07:49 eythian (it's the four letter ones we've got to worry about ;) 07:49 eythian also, bags not setting up Koha for GCSB ;) 07:50 rangi heh 07:51 eythian SSLOptions +StdEnvVars is the magic I need I think 07:54 rangi sweet 07:55 eythian now just need to figure how to get the email address out... 07:57 rangi the code in C4/Auth is set to use the cn and match that to the userid field in koha 07:57 eythian yep, I think we need to match it to the email. 07:57 eythian though, it's hard to tell 07:57 rangi if we use the email, it will have to do something more elaborate, like match the email, then find the userid and set that 07:58 rangi easiest thing to do do for now 07:58 rangi get C4/Auth.pm to do a Data::Dumper of $ENV 07:58 rangi and then see what you get :) 07:59 eythian Unfortunately, I don't know how their certs are set up in that respect. 08:00 rangi probably need to get one of them to look at the opac tomorrow 08:00 rangi and check the log 08:00 eythian damn, with pki turned on, I have to log in for every page load. 08:00 rangi yep 08:00 eythian which I suppose makes sense 08:02 eythian > Welcome, Mr Robin Sheat 08:02 eythian it works with CN on my test cert :) 08:03 rangi sweet, the cn matches your username? 08:03 eythian yeah 08:03 rangi awesome 08:05 eythian oh crap, I'll lock myself out if I don't give myself super permissions... 08:06 rangi yes, you will :) 08:06 rangi worst comes to worst, cna change your userid in the db 08:07 eythian oh, I have the apache config open 08:07 rangi and login as another user 08:08 eythian hmm 08:08 cait hi #koha 08:08 rangi hi cait 08:08 eythian I gave myself super librarian but I only have a couple of things. 08:08 eythian and it says "Insecure" at the top 08:08 rangi hm interesting, ill have to have a look tomorrow 08:09 eythian yeah, I'm going to turn it all off now and go. 08:09 eythian hi cait 08:09 cait another eq? :( 08:09 rangi yep 08:10 eythian Christchurch fell over again 08:10 Oak guten tag cait 08:10 eythian rangi: oddly, but helpfully, saving prefs seems to bypass the authentication. 08:13 rangi sounds like a bug 08:13 eythian yeah. I'm not going to fix it now, as it'd cause me more problems than it'd solve :) 08:15 eythian http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-earthquake/5137773/June-13-quakes-Latest-information <-- cait 08:15 eythian http://www.geonet.org.nz/earthquake/drums/mqz-drum.html <-- also 08:33 cait t 08:33 cait ah 08:33 cait eythian: you can do component parts 08:33 cait reading the logs 08:33 wahanui reading the logs is not the same as participating. 08:33 cait eythian: not mark them as a serial but as 'set' - that's already in there 08:33 rangi cait: it was oakivil asking but that is good information :) 08:34 cait ah, he is still here 08:34 rangi i knew you would know the answer 08:34 cait not hard - I programmed it 08:34 cait we do that for multivolume things 08:34 cait have a set record and one for each volume 08:35 cait or have a record for a traced series and one for each item in the traced series 08:35 cait oakivil? 08:36 rangi yep that makes sense 08:38 cait not sure it makes sense - but our data is structured that way 08:38 cait ;) 08:39 cait ouch, reading back the logs I found your links :( 08:39 rangi hmmm 08:39 rangi http://en.securitylab.ru/ 08:43 cait hm? 08:43 rangi still havent heard back, and now the site appears to be down 08:48 cait ah, I could access the main page, but I see now what you mean 09:10 oakivil ping! 09:10 oakivil had a nap 09:10 oakivil :D 09:12 cait hi oakivil 09:13 oakivil so 09:13 oakivil a set record you say 09:13 cait yes 09:13 oakivil you mean a framework type? 09:14 cait and the control number from 001 from the set record links to the $w 09:14 cait no 09:15 oakivil so you mean marc fields? 09:15 cait yes 09:15 oakivil ok 09:15 oakivil then zebra indexes them 09:15 cait you would want to have a marc framework with the needed subfields configured perhaps 09:15 oakivil yeah 09:15 cait yes, it indexes the $w fields, in the set record a link "show volumes" is shown 09:16 cait and when you click on it you get a list of the linked records 09:16 oakivil so if i create a framework with those fields, then zebra indexes the relations between parent and subrecord 09:16 oakivil then when in OPAC i look for a music item, it creates the item and subrecords 09:16 oakivil well I gotta try that 09:17 oakivil I'm not at the office now because IRC doesn't work there. Crappy public sector intranets 09:17 cait ah 09:18 cait I should really provide some documentation for that :( 09:18 oakivil having a remote work day to IRC with you guys and browse university library e-publications 09:18 oakivil yeah 09:18 oakivil i couldnt find it from the documentation 09:18 cait I have a few test records that you could load and take a look at 09:18 oakivil that would be great 09:18 cait can you pm me your email? 09:20 cait I will send it a little later - it's family breakfast time now. :) 10:12 rangi hi druthb 10:12 druthb hi, rangi. 10:13 cait hi druthb :) 10:13 druthb :D 10:13 cait hm peter lorimer again on patches 10:13 jcamins Hello, everyone. 10:14 cait hi jcamins 10:17 rangi yeah, unfortunately not any of them are in a form that is usable 10:22 oakivil Koha has been in development for over 10 years right? The technologies at the very core must be ancient, like CGI-scripts. How have you managed to keep Koha modifiable as there are lots of developers working on it constantly? The trend with old systems (developed in Agile manner) is that the older they get, the harder it is to maintain the codebase. 10:23 rangi agile smagile, when koha was started that was called rapid prototyping 10:24 rangi inline documentation, the same way you make any code maintainable 10:24 oakivil we can call it rapid prototyping if it makes you feel better :D 10:24 oakivil ok 10:25 rangi its all just fads, whatever you call it :) strict adherence to any of them is a bad idea 10:25 rangi http://perldoc.koha-community.org/ 10:25 rangi plus unit tests 10:26 rangi http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/HTML_Report/? 10:26 rangi and continuous integration testing 10:26 rangi http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/ 10:29 rangi (the linux kernel is older btw :)) 10:29 oakivil damn, you've really got everything set up in a textbook manner 10:29 oakivil now that explains why I have trouble with it all the time :D 10:30 oakivil <3 Lucid Lynx 10:31 oakivil *<3 Natty Narwhal 11:21 mib_cait hmpf 11:21 mib_cait pidgin refuses to reconnect 11:22 mib_cait magnus_away: ping 11:32 jcamins Anyone running latest Master? 11:41 Oak Hello druthb :) 11:46 druthb hi, Oak! :) 11:46 Oak :) 11:46 oakivil Do you have any idea where to look for documentation about setting up multi-library koha installation? 11:47 oakivil how is it done in practice? 11:47 oakivil if we had say six libraries and every one had their separate installation 11:47 oakivil they could adminster their own fines and loan dates 11:47 oakivil but how can they loan from other libraries catalogs? 11:49 jcamins oakivil: use separate branches. 11:49 oakivil hmm 11:50 oakivil so then I had 6 branches running on the same server? 11:50 oakivil on the same database 11:50 oakivil and every branch could have their libraries 11:52 jcamins You have a separate branch for each library. 12:10 oleonard Happy Monday #koha 12:10 druthb HI, owen. :) 12:11 jcamins Alas, look what we have come to! 12:11 jcamins Not only does my cat drink from my glass of water, my wife's plants get water from my glass, too! 12:14 oleonard Hey, wb jcamins 12:14 jcamins Thanks. 12:15 jcamins Also, we come home to find that Shari's desktop is screwed up. 12:23 gmcharlt @quote random 12:23 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #134: "<cait> birthday wishes go over crazy bugs :)" (added by gmcharlt at 06:49 PM, May 20, 2011) 12:38 mib_cait @quote random 12:38 huginn mib_cait: Quote #97: "chris_n shakes his fist (again) in the direction of Redmond" (added by wizzyrea at 03:21 PM, October 08, 2010) 12:38 mib_cait hi gmcharlt 12:39 kivilahtio can somebody kick oakivil and me because my mIRC crahsed and now my first nick (oakivil) wont autoexit 12:40 kivilahtio hmm, not necessary. The process is still running ? 13:21 tcohen hi 13:22 Oak hello tcohen : 13:22 Oak :) 13:22 tcohen anyone has added 863 subfields to their serials frameworks? 13:29 mib_cait @marc 863 13:29 huginn mib_cait: [Described in full under field 863 in the MARC 21 Concise Format for Holdings Data.] (Repeatable) [] 13:32 sekjal mfhd? 13:32 wahanui mfhd is MARC Format for Holdings Data 13:32 sekjal tcohen: nothing added to the frameworks yet, but that's going to need to happen soon... especially if we want to enable MFHD importing into serials 13:34 tcohen thanks sekjal, one question on that 13:35 tcohen the structure is very similar to that in 853 right? 13:35 tcohen or which is the difference 13:36 sekjal there is one 853 for many 863s 13:36 sekjal 853 defines the captions and patterns 13:36 sekjal 863s are the instances of those patterns (individual serials issues) 13:37 sekjal that structure is repeated between 854/864 and 855/865 for supplementary material and indexes, respectively 13:40 tomascohen sorry sekjal, internet failed here 13:40 tcohen if i'm not wrong, the problem would be defining that fields semantics 13:40 tcohen ? 13:43 rhcl There is no life before 9:00am on Monday. 13:44 sekjal tcohen: right, there is not quite enough info in the 853 to completely fill in the Koha subscription record, and not necessarily enough in the 863 add a serial entry for that subscription 13:45 tomascohen is this topic on an RFC? or bugzilla? 13:45 tomascohen If I undesrtood it better I might spend some days working on it 13:46 raosoma hi 13:46 sekjal tcohen: should be an RFC 13:46 sekjal we've also got to think of some kind of UNIMARC equivalent, if there isn't one already 13:46 raosoma means.. 13:47 raosoma i have a question about circulation rules.. 13:47 raosoma can anyone help me out? 13:47 oleonard We won't know until you ask raosoma 13:48 raosoma :-) 13:48 raosoma this is for a private circulation lib 13:48 raosoma and want to restrict users take only two books... 13:48 raosoma and one magaizne.... 13:49 raosoma I was able to restrict the checkouts for two books but how to do that for periodicals.. 13:49 oleonard You have to have a separate item type for periodicals 13:49 tcohen raosoma: you can set a limit for books, another for serials and a global one 13:50 raosoma Three Books Plan Books 3 10 0.00 0 0 0 0 0 0.000000 Delete 13:51 raosoma Well let me explain... 13:51 raosoma I have defined one patron category as "3 books one magazine" plan 13:52 raosoma and defined two rules against this category... 13:52 raosoma first rule: number of books (item types) allowed as 3 13:53 raosoma 2nd rule against the same category: number of continuing resources checkout allowed as 1... 13:53 raosoma is it the way to do? 13:53 mib_cait yes 13:54 mib_cait but you must make sure that your periodicals and books all hve items with the correct itypes of course 13:54 raosoma and i have another patron category called three books... 13:55 raosoma and i defined a rule saying the checkouts to be allowed only 3... 13:55 raosoma and it works... 13:55 raosoma but it allows to checkout the periodicals also... 13:55 raosoma how to restrict that... 13:55 mib_cait ah 13:55 mib_cait add a rule saying 0 allowed 13:55 raosoma will it work... 13:56 mib_cait it should 13:56 raosoma may be not defining will allow to checkout... 13:56 mib_cait I do it that way for our libraries 13:56 raosoma o great... 13:56 raosoma ok i will try... 13:56 raosoma and i have one more question about serials... 13:56 mib_cait not sure what happens when you don't define anything, would have to test that 13:56 raosoma ok.. 13:56 mib_cait but if you also add default rules, you might get unintended results 13:57 mib_cait with the 0 rule you are on the save side 13:57 raosoma ok got it.. 13:57 raosoma :-) yes true... 13:57 raosoma a question about serials... 13:58 raosoma when i receive from subscription module...how to add corresponding item? 13:58 mib_cait you have to activate add items in the subscription 13:58 raosoma how to tag example a volume 4, number 5 to a particular periodical... 13:58 mib_cait you can have both - subscriptions without addings items (I think this is the default) and subscriptions adding items 13:59 raosoma or it just becomes an item of that particular biblio 13:59 mib_cait when you have it activated the item will be generated when you add the issue 13:59 mib_cait yes, it's added tothe biblio of the serial 13:59 raosoma but how to map it to a particular issue or number... 14:00 raosoma example: there is a monthly magazine of volume 100, number 4 representing april.. 14:00 mib_cait there is a subscription tab showing all issues and holding information for your library, it's always only one record that can have items 14:00 mib_cait I am not sure I understand your question 14:00 raosoma i received vol 100, no 4...then i add item after receiving... 14:00 mib_cait if you are using the serials module the information will be in the holdings information or visible in the itmes 14:01 raosoma but i don't get a mapping of that later... 14:01 mib_cait and the item didn't show up? 14:01 mib_cait mapping? 14:01 mib_cait there are some bugs in serials in the current version - which version are you using? 14:02 raosoma 3.2.9 14:02 mib_cait ok 14:02 raosoma i meant creating an item for serials is like creating an item for any biblio record... 14:02 raosoma i didn 14:02 mib_cait can you explain about the mapping you expected? 14:03 raosoma ok...you have to read with patience :-) 14:03 mib_cait you can create items in the serials module too - but basically it's the same 14:03 mib_cait the information about the issue is kept in an item field - serials enumeration/chronology I think 14:03 raosoma i have added one monthly subscription and it is now ready to receive... 14:03 raosoma it allows me to add item... 14:04 raosoma example i received vol 100, num 4 14:04 mib_cait when you received it, did you get a form to add an item? 14:05 raosoma it asks for it"click here to add item" 14:05 mib_cait ok 14:05 mib_cait what you normally do is, change the status of the issue to 'arrived' and the form will open 14:05 mib_cait you can also use the link 14:05 raosoma yes... 14:06 mib_cait and when you fill that out it should create an item attached to the record of your serial 14:06 raosoma and then i set home lib etc., give a barcode and select "continuing resources"..and create it... 14:06 raosoma am i correct? 14:07 raosoma let's assume vol 100, issue 4 has barcode MAG10004 14:07 mib_cait yes 14:08 raosoma now i get another month book...and i receive it for vol 100, number 5 14:08 raosoma and i create item with another barcode MAG10005... 14:08 rhcl ping wizzyrea 14:09 raosoma if i don't follow the above way barcoding, i cannot make out which barcode is against which number... 14:09 raosoma means MAG10004 is against vol 100, number 4 or vol 100, number 5? 14:09 mib_cait momphone 14:09 raosoma sorry? 14:10 raosoma hope you got what i mean? 14:10 mib_cait not sure I really get it 14:10 mib_cait and have a phone call, one moment 14:10 raosoma ok... 14:11 raosoma let me type while you answer your phone call.. 14:11 raosoma there are two magazines say of apr and may...for which items are created against a subscription... 14:11 raosoma now how to differentiate the item created whether is of apr or may? 14:14 Brooke kia ora 14:16 rhcl hi brooke 14:16 Brooke homie g! 14:16 Brooke how's it? 14:16 raosoma hi mib_cait: are you there... 14:17 rhcl it is 14:22 mib_cait raosoma: ther eis a field that should have the information 14:22 mib_cait 952 h 14:22 mib_cait it's not kept in the barcode field, barcode is just a number 14:23 mib_cait 952 h - I tink it's labelled serial enumeration or chronology 14:23 mib_cait it should be auto filled from your subscription 14:23 mib_cait it's shown in opac detail and on the holds screen 14:23 mib_cait s 14:25 raosoma 952h? nothing is autofilled while i create an item. am i missing? 14:26 raosoma yes there is something like that... 14:26 raosoma but how to get it filled automatically... 14:27 mib_cait if it doesn't fill right now that might be a bug 14:27 mib_cait bug 6305 14:27 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6305 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, colin.campbell, NEW , The serials are not working properly 14:27 mib_cait I fixed it for 3.4 14:27 raosoma ok... 14:27 tcohen sekjal: 853 defines a pattern and 863 should present subfields accordingly? 14:27 raosoma can i have patch in 3.2.9 14:28 mib_cait until it fills you can copy the information from the line above the item form 14:28 raosoma is it available? 14:28 raosoma i didn 14:28 mib_cait the patch is available - but only for a later version 14:28 raosoma i didn't understand... 14:28 mib_cait not sure it's really what you see 14:28 raosoma what to copy? 14:28 mib_cait above the item form 14:28 mib_cait the line where you change to 'arrived' 14:28 sekjal tcohen: yes, the subfields in 863 correspond to the subfields in 853 14:28 mib_cait the first field 14:29 mib_cait of that line 14:29 mib_cait I would copy that in the item field 14:29 mib_cait so if the autofill works later, it will just work and your other items will look all the same 14:29 raosoma what to copy? 14:30 raosoma something like vol 100, num 4? 14:31 mib_cait yes 14:31 mib_cait but that in the serial enumeration field 14:32 raosoma means 952h? 14:32 mib_cait yes 14:32 raosoma ok... 14:32 raosoma let me check... 14:32 raosoma 3.4 it fiils auto? 14:34 raosoma thanks a lot... 14:35 raosoma time to go home... 14:35 raosoma thank you very much mib_cait.. 14:35 mib_cait ok 14:35 mib_cait have a nice evening 14:36 mib_cait :) 14:36 raosoma where are you from? 14:36 mib_cait Germany 14:36 raosoma me from india... 14:36 raosoma have a great day... 14:36 mib_cait you too :) 14:36 raosoma bye 14:38 oleonard Hi two atzes 14:40 rhcl atz^2 :) 15:00 rhcl @seen rangi 15:00 huginn rhcl: rangi was last seen in #koha 4 hours, 30 minutes, and 50 seconds ago: <rangi> (the linux kernel is older btw :)) 15:02 reiveune bye 15:32 Oak \o 15:32 cait hi Oak :) 15:32 Oak hello cait 15:32 Oak guten abend :) 15:33 * cait looks for druthb 15:34 cait :) 15:34 Agent_Dani Hi cait 15:35 Oak her name, is neo!!! 15:37 cait huh? 15:37 Oak never mind cait ... that was stupid joke 15:37 Oak obviously 15:38 oleonard cait: Matrix movie reference 15:38 Oak seen Matrix? 15:38 wahanui I haven't seen 'Matrix', Oak 15:39 oleonard You should, wahanui. But stop after the first one. 15:42 sekjal the Animatrix is kind of fun... 15:42 sekjal good soundtrack, at the very least 15:43 Oak yup, sekjal Death In Vegas- Hands Around My Throat 15:43 cait yep, I kno matrix 15:43 Oak show us 15:44 cait but didn't get the reference :( 15:44 Oak another matrix reference cait.. ignore 15:44 Oak cait, did you watch it in English> 15:45 Oak uh oh. that may sound like a bad question 15:57 cait no, only in german so far 15:59 Oak tch tch 15:59 Oak why, your english is awesome 16:01 Oak or were you being sarcastic? 16:05 cait no, but when the movie came out my english was not so good :) 16:05 Oak ah 17:04 Oak night 17:14 slef @seen gmcharlt 17:14 huginn slef: gmcharlt was last seen in #koha 4 hours, 51 minutes, and 23 seconds ago: <gmcharlt> @quote random 17:15 slef gmcharlt: can we do anything to help fix email on the wiki server? 17:15 slef or thd-away if you're around? 17:15 slef @seen thd 17:15 huginn slef: thd was last seen in #koha 9 weeks, 3 days, 9 hours, 31 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: * thd sleeps 17:15 slef that's one heck of a sleep 17:48 gmcharlt slef: as far as I know email from the wiki is now passing through, and it's blocking the pattern of addresses that most of the spam accounts were using 17:51 slef gmcharlt: oh right. bug 6326 wasn't updated. Can anyone here test it for us by signing up on http://wiki.koha-community.org/w/index.php?title=Special:OpenIDLogin or http://wiki.koha-community.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin please? 17:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6326 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Mail not going out from Wiki 18:02 raosoma hi 18:02 raosoma can any one help me in configuring email in 3.2.9 koh 18:02 raosoma a 18:03 oleonard raosoma: If you're talking about configuring the server to send email you may be better off in a forum for your particular server software 18:06 raosoma Mail::Sendmail 0.79 18:06 raosoma is the perl module that got installed.. 18:07 raosoma oleonard: sorry, i didn't understand.. 18:34 sekjal has anyone else noticed that 856s are not showing up in the OPAC details page with XSLT turned off (on current HEAD) 18:35 oleonard sekjal: I believe someone was asking about that on the list the other day 18:35 sekjal looks like a TT issue 18:36 sekjal MARCURLS in the perl, MARCurlS in the template 18:39 sekjal reporting bug... 19:44 rangi morning 19:44 oleonard Hi rangi 19:45 * cait waves 19:49 talljoy morning 19:49 jwagner rangi, are your family members OK in Christchurch? I heard there was another quake. 19:50 rangi yep, no deaths or serious injuries this time, lots more damage tho 19:50 jwagner Good news/bad news.... 19:50 rangi my aunt and uncle and grandma are fine 19:50 oleonard Christchurch can't get a break 19:51 jwagner Good night, all 19:51 rangi its got months/years more of aftershocks 19:54 rangi the problem of a country that straddles two plates 19:55 wizzyrea they're not creeping their way north are they? 19:55 wizzyrea the earthquakes 19:56 rangi wizzyrea: wellington lies on a bunch of major fault lines 19:56 rangi its due an 8 19:56 wizzyrea scary 19:56 rangi but course no one can predict when 19:56 rangi with an 8 its not worth worrying about 19:57 wizzyrea yea, stuff's gonna be messed up, just be prepared to survive it 19:57 rangi just make sure you have your emergency stuff stocked and hope u are in the right place 20:00 rangi on to happier news, its the wellington perl mongers quiz night tonight 20:00 talljoy party on! 20:04 rangi its nz, so there will of course be beer 20:06 cait no surprise :) 20:06 cait have fun 20:06 rangi My stop be back after coffee 20:17 rangi back 20:24 rhcl_away wizzyrea et al: there was an email on 9 June from Catherine Chambers@Mzuzu University asking about fines notices. I don't see that anybody replied to it. I could tell her about the scripts themselves, but probably better that someone else explain how to set them up in the staff interface. 20:26 Brooke kia ora 20:26 rangi rhcl: you were after me earlier? 20:26 rangi ata marie Brooke 20:26 Brooke morena, rangi 20:29 rhcl forgot why :) 20:29 rangi :) 20:32 rhcl actually, I've been off IRC for a few days, and I think I was going to ask about the situation there in NZ with the earthquakes, but I see that subject was discussed above. 20:33 rangi http://www.geonet.org.nz/earthquake/historic-earthquakes/ <-- we get some big ones 20:33 library_systems_guy is anybody else having problems with list not saving? 20:36 rhcl Is there anything or anybody on Chatham Island? (tsunami danger?) 20:37 Brooke yes 20:37 Brooke on two of them 20:39 cait hi Brooke 20:39 Brooke :D 20:39 Brooke Wie geht's? 20:40 rangi rhcl: no tsunami danger, but ppl live there 20:40 rangi rhcl: my suburb has lines painted on the road, get above this line if you want to live 20:41 rhcl well 20:47 Brooke Who wants to chair tomorrow's meeting? 20:53 sekjal I may be late, or even miss the meeting... got to catch a bus right then, and I don't know about it's wifi situation 21:05 Brooke 0/ 21:07 ashimema Is the translate site down.. or is it just me? 21:07 rangi just you i think 21:07 rangi http://translate.koha-community.org/ 21:07 ashimema ooh. patients is a virtue... works agian now :p 21:10 Brooke up but slow as from over hyah 21:14 ashimema fiar enough 21:15 ashimema (i think maybe i should stop now with the typos creeping in anyway :P) 21:38 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6497: MARC URLs not showing up in OPAC detail page with XSLT off <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b5dcd096bf7bd86853458b0bdaa5a8bb44726cbd> 21:42 jenkins_koha Starting build 296 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 21:44 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6483] Paging in opac-detail when coming from a search <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6483> 21:53 library_systems_guy has there been any other talks of integrating shiboleth? 21:57 rangi not that i can recall 22:03 library_systems_guy dang...i remember sekjal talking about it being a rumor 22:03 rangi wouldnt be that hard to do 22:04 library_systems_guy maybe i can start that. I just don't really have a lot of experience with it 22:04 rangi having a crack is a good way to get experience :) 22:04 library_systems_guy thats true 22:05 library_systems_guy so if i wanted to start coding for it...where would I start 22:05 library_systems_guy its not a bug 22:05 rangi make a bug, but mark it enhancement 22:05 library_systems_guy but i guess i can submit features...ok :) 22:05 library_systems_guy do i need to do a wiki for it? 22:05 rangi then look at C4/Auth/pm and C4/Auth_with_ldap.pm 22:06 library_systems_guy ahh yes i know C4/auth_with_ldap.pm well 22:25 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #296: SUCCESS in 43 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/296/ 22:25 jenkins_koha ian.walls: Bug 6497: MARC URLs not showing up in OPAC detail page with XSLT off 22:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6497 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED , MARC URLs not showing up in OPAC Detail page with XSLT turned off 22:31 slef library_systems_guy: one of my colleagues wants to do that. I think we've other fish to fry first, sadly (and I don't know who to use to test it but that's a minor problem) 22:31 slef @query shibboleth 22:31 huginn slef: No results for "shibboleth." 22:31 slef bleah 23:36 mtj slef: still about? 23:37 mtj have u setup 3m self-check units with koha before? 23:38 mtj ... or am i getting that confused with the 3m RFID kit 23:46 rangi http://bugs.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/progress.pl 23:47 rangi in prep for global sign off day 23:48 mtj sweet :) 23:49 mtj would be a nice stat to automate a graph for 23:49 rangi i can give you an api to grab the raw data, if you want to graph it 23:51 mtj yeah - ill have a wack, if you do :) 23:51 rangi 2 secs 23:51 slef mtj: yeah, I shouldn't be. 23:52 slef mtj: yes, 3m self-check units are most of our head-banging in that line. 23:52 slef rangi: I don't understand it. :) 23:53 rangi its just a count of status changed per day 23:53 mtj slef: quick Q? raw sockets or telnet connections for the self-check? 23:53 rangi so 30/11/2010 7 bugs changed status to pushed 23:54 rangi 1/12/2010 15 went to needs signf off, and 9 got pushed 23:54 rangi etc 23:54 slef rangi: ok, it's the "to" bit that was missing 23:54 rangi yep 23:54 rangi sorry ill write some more words 23:54 rangi mtj: http://bugs.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/progress.pl?type=json 23:54 slef "Bugs changing to each status"? 23:54 rangi yeah that works 23:55 rangi done 23:55 mtj too quick :) 23:56 slef mtj: looks like telnet BICBW 23:57 mtj oooh, new acronym 23:57 slef But I Could Be Wrong 23:57 slef it's 1am here 23:57 slef BICBW is But I Could Be Wrong 23:57 mtj yep, gotcha 23:57 slef do you really trust my reading of XML :) 23:57 slef mtj: I was teaching wahanui 23:57 slef BICBW? 23:57 wahanui BICBW is But I Could Be Wrong 23:57 mtj thanks, im testing with telnet here 23:58 mtj its going ok-ish.... 23:59 mtj the sipserver output files make it a little tricky to debug, initially 23:59 slef Glad it's going OK. I'll be back in some hours. 23:59 slef I must signoff now before I get qwertyitis