Time Nick Message 00:04 conan hum... what about the 'ugly hack' in sub _current_language ? 00:04 conan the one with a six line comment saying FIXME 00:04 conan could that has something to do with it? 00:05 rangi no 00:05 rangi It is 00:05 rangi # used only by C4::XSLT::XSLTParse4Display; 00:05 magnuse weirdness: i looked at the opac, the language chooser was showing norwegian as selected but the page was showing in english, i did "die $lang;" just before "return ( $theme, $lang );" in themelanguage() and it showed "en" as the active language. then i removed the die, chose english and then norwegian and put the die back, this time it told me nb-NO as the language. so the language chooser is not in tune with themelanguage()... 00:05 rangi yep, do you have memcached running? 00:05 magnuse nope 00:06 rangi right, so that makes one less thing to worry about 00:07 magnuse memcached, you mean? 00:07 rangi yep 00:07 rangi we know its not being cached 00:07 rangi so dont have to worry about that 00:08 rangi just have to track down why the language chooser was saying nb 00:08 conan rangi: _current_language is being called from themelanguage, on the langauge selection foreach 00:08 rangi no its not 00:08 conan ok, I have to look at this properly tomorrow 00:08 rangi $_current_language = $lang; 00:08 rangi its setting it 00:09 rangi setting a variable, not calling the function 00:09 conan my ssh is transmitting with timbals 00:10 conan rangi: you're right, and I should go eat and sleep :) 00:10 conan I'm talking nonsense 00:10 magnuse sorry rangi, i gotta catch some sleep too, it's 2 am (but the sun is shining on some of the houses in the neighbourhood ;-) 00:10 conan will do the warn pester tomorrow 00:10 magnuse i will definitely be looking more at this! 00:11 magnuse rangi++ 00:11 conan see you tomorrow, bye now 02:39 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6190] Custom field removal from patron entry screens <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6190> 02:39 Brooke 0/ 02:40 druthb o/ 02:40 rangi hey you two 02:40 druthb :D 02:40 rangi http://www.flickr.com/photos/ranginui/5788743510/in/photostream/ 02:41 rangi http://www.flickr.com/photos/ranginui/5788744388/in/photostream/ 02:41 rangi http://www.flickr.com/photos/ranginui/5788745426/in/photostream/ 02:41 rangi http://www.flickr.com/photos/ranginui/5788746066/in/photostream/ 02:41 Brooke hehhe 02:41 Brooke so 02:41 Brooke fact 02:41 Brooke dell racks do not unlock from the inside. 02:41 rangi what happens when you leave a rack outside the sysadmin lair 02:42 ibeardslee Brooke: oh? and how did you find that out? 02:42 Brooke I didn't but Andy did >:) 02:42 rangi ibeardslee: thats where she lives 02:42 Soupermanito i want that "dont mess whit a time lord" one 02:42 Brooke ha! That would be an upgrade in both cleanliness and square footage! 02:43 rangi like the guy in owhiro bay, who built a house out of shipping containers 02:51 rangi hiya pianohacker 02:51 pianohacker hey chris 02:51 druthb hi, pianohacker. :) 02:51 druthb @karma pianohacker 02:51 huginn` druthb: Karma for "pianohacker" has been increased 35 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 35. 02:51 pianohacker and druthb 02:51 druthb pianohacker++ 02:51 Brooke hooray 02:51 pianohacker hmm 02:51 pianohacker Hi brooke 02:51 pianohacker pianohacker-- 02:51 huginn` pianohacker: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma. 02:51 pianohacker haha, was wondering 02:51 druthb nope. 02:52 pianohacker man, the bots got pissed off 02:52 Brooke *someone* busted that loophole. 02:52 eythian @karma < 02:52 huginn` eythian: < has neutral karma. 02:52 druthb Otherwise, I'd be down the cellar somewhere. 02:52 eythian @karma <! 02:52 huginn` eythian: Karma for "<!" has been increased 4 times and decreased 109 times for a total karma of -105. 02:52 * Brooke leers at druthb 02:52 pianohacker heh 02:52 pianohacker <!++ 02:52 rangi @karma 02:52 huginn` rangi: Highest karma: "rangi" (342), "oleonard" (280), and "gmcharlt" (257). Lowest karma: "<!" (-104), "failed" (-56), and "-" (-36). You (rangi) are ranked 1 out of 1511. 02:53 pianohacker has anyone else had a linux machine suddenly fade to black and present a lovely /bin/ash (initramfs) prompt? 02:53 rangi ppl nned to stop pasting in html :) 02:53 pianohacker well after booting up 02:53 pianohacker wait, what? 02:53 wahanui it has been said that wait, is it only in items? 02:53 pianohacker -++ 02:53 pianohacker @karma - 02:53 huginn` pianohacker: Karma for "-" has been increased 3 times and decreased 38 times for a total karma of -35. 02:53 pianohacker ...well then 02:54 rangi havent had that happen to me pianohacker 02:55 pianohacker perhaps unloading/reloading my wireless module isn't the best way to deal with this godforsaken router 02:55 Brooke 0/ 02:55 rangi heya NateC 03:13 rangi brr, the aircon has gone crazy cold 03:25 Amit_Gupta heya chris 03:25 rangi hiya Amit_Gupta 03:25 Amit_Gupta Good morning koha ;) 03:54 pianohacker sorry, wireless is crazy 04:23 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5602] Improve configurability of package building scripts <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5602> 05:28 SpaceLibrarian_home namaste kmkale 05:30 kmkale Namaste shelly 05:30 kmkale the car shakes too much for proper typing :( 05:35 SpaceLibrarian_home feeling better? 05:38 kmkale bit better. back on road 05:47 kmkale please consider me as a lurker for today's volunteer meeting. 05:47 kmkale network is very patchy 05:47 Brooke kia ora 05:47 kmkale Brooke may chair 05:47 kmkale hi Brooke 05:47 kmkale think of the .... 05:48 SpaceLibrarian_home Hey Brooke, I think you're chairing... 05:49 Brooke do we have an agenda, or is it just the wiki stuff I put up 05:49 * SpaceLibrarian_home looks at Brooke blankly 05:49 SpaceLibrarian_home I think it's going to be a pretty quiet meeting. 05:49 SpaceLibrarian_home 3. 05:50 SpaceLibrarian_home Ignore that, I'm just dropping things. 05:51 Brooke would we like to start now or wait the 5 mins? 05:54 * Brooke watches the clock. 05:54 SpaceLibrarian_home Considering I think it's going to be the two of us taking over the world and kmkale lurking... mebbe. Prove me wrong koha! :) 05:54 Brooke Shotgun! 05:55 SpaceLibrarian_home heh 05:55 Brooke #startmeeting 05:55 huginn` Meeting started Thu Jun 2 05:59:53 2011 UTC. The chair is Brooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 05:55 huginn` Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 05:55 Brooke #topic introductins 05:55 Brooke introductions even 05:56 SpaceLibrarian_home Shelley Gurney, Catalyst NZ 05:58 Brooke so here's a question? 05:58 Brooke we want to do this thing, or meet another time? 05:59 SpaceLibrarian_home meet another time? 05:59 Brooke or do things via email and meet later? 05:59 SpaceLibrarian_home Brooke + 06:00 Brooke #endmeeting 06:00 huginn` Meeting ended Thu Jun 2 06:04:47 2011 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) 06:00 huginn` Minutes: http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-06-02-05.59.html 06:00 huginn` Minutes (text): http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-06-02-05.59.txt 06:00 huginn` Log: http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-06-02-05.59.log.html 06:00 Brooke I think we'll just have kmkale set a convenient time 06:00 SpaceLibrarian_home Yep 06:00 Brooke I'd like to see a heap of Indian involvement 06:01 SpaceLibrarian_home I can get up in the middle of the night again. 06:01 SpaceLibrarian_home But I agree 07:07 slef oops, timezones 1, slef 0 07:29 Amit_Gupta heya slef 07:29 slef hi Amit_Gupta 07:36 cait morning :) 07:56 Amit_Gupta heya cait morning ;) 08:04 slef ok, why is this a bad idea, or not? ($truncated)=($num =~ /^(\d+\.\d{${places}})/); 08:05 slef and 2. are you scared yet? 08:06 rangi thats pretty much always a bad idea 08:06 slef rangi: I think so but why? That's what I had a hard time justifying. 08:07 rangi well i guess if places is sufficiently huge its not so bad 08:07 rangi is it for display, or are you using the value for calculation? 08:07 rangi i think id rather round, than truncate 08:08 rangi i bet if i went back through my maths degree, i could find a better reason why its bad 08:08 rangi but mostly now it just feels wrong :) 08:09 slef I'm not using it for anything; and truncation is desired rather than rounding 08:10 slef I agree on it feeling wrong, but I also did a maths degree 08:10 rangi i guess if its not being used for anything then its fine 08:11 rangi yeah mine was pure math, not that new fangled calculas thing where you can deal with imprecise numbers :-) 08:11 slef I think it leaves you vulnerable to perl's number base being changed, if that can be set globally (can't find it at a glance) 08:11 slef ah well, mine was statistics, where you just assume all the errors cancel out enough 08:12 slef I did pure maths options in year 3, though. 08:12 rangi i only did stats up to year 2 08:12 rangi then it was group and set theory 08:12 rangi fun 08:13 slef Mine was process of elimination... drop applied, then reduce pure to a minor. 08:13 rangi ahh 08:13 slef Yeah, I must have a couple of books on fields and groups somewhere in this office. 08:13 rangi i did maths as a minor in my compsci degree, then didnt want to get a job :) 08:14 rangi so cross credited a year to a BA, and finished my math major, and added a maori studies major 08:14 rangi the BA was a lot more fun than the BSc 08:14 rangi it helped that i was finally old enough to get into pubs too :) 08:14 slef I'm never sure of the worth of compsci for developers <fx:runs-away /> 08:15 rangi heh 08:15 slef errr... NZ has age restrictions on pubs? 08:15 rangi in student towns they tend to id you at the door 08:15 rangi and it was 20 to drink back then, it 18 now 08:20 slef just checked and I can't find a legal age restriction on entry to a pub here... of course, some pubs put a 18 or 21 (or I think 25 sometimes) limit but that's up to the landlord 08:20 rangi is there a legal drinking age? 08:21 slef yeah, 18 08:21 rangi i think i could have entered if they had let me legally, but basically they just id everyone and if you arent legal drinking age they just dont let you in 08:21 slef wow, that's a bit anti-social 08:21 slef so what do mixed-age groups do? Just not go into pubs? 08:22 rangi ahh its only in the real studenty pubs 08:22 rangi most likely they are smart to go to a nicer pub anyway :) 08:24 slef heh, debconf7 says the legal drinking age in Scotland is 5 08:24 rangi hehe 08:24 rangi (The student pubs had big lines at the door, they are basically trying to find reasons not to let you in) 08:24 slef yeah, some student pubs aren't worth it 08:26 slef heh, apparently it's the same in England 08:26 slef complicated... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_drinking_age#Europe 08:27 slef drinking age in private is 5 but purchasing alcohol on behalf of a minor is illegal... homebrew FTW! 08:27 rangi heh 08:29 cait @wunder Konstanz 08:29 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 14.0�C (10:30 AM CEST on June 02, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 30.28 in 1025.3 hPa (Steady). 08:30 rangi heya cait 08:30 cait hi rangi :) 08:45 cait oh 08:46 cait google says it's father's day 08:47 rangi not here it isnt 08:47 rangi not til september here 08:48 rangi monday is queens birthday tho, (not her real birthday, we just get the first monday in june as a holiday every year) 08:49 cait ah, that's a good thing 08:49 cait that it's always a monday 08:49 rangi yup 11:06 Amit_Gupta @wunder Bangalore 11:06 huginn` Amit_Gupta: The current temperature in Bangalore, India is 27.0�C (2:30 PM IST on June 02, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 20.0�C. 11:06 Amit_Gupta @wunder Dehradun 11:06 huginn` Amit_Gupta: The current temperature in Dehradun, India is 30.0�C (2:30 PM IST on June 02, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: 17.0�C. Pressure: 29.63 in 1003 hPa. 11:06 Amit_Gupta @wunder New Delhi 11:06 huginn` Amit_Gupta: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 35.0�C (4:00 PM IST on June 02, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 26%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Falling). 11:06 Amit_Gupta @wunder Mumbai 11:06 huginn` Amit_Gupta: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 32.0�C (4:10 PM IST on June 02, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 26.0�C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Falling). 11:15 cait @wunder Konstanz 11:15 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 17.0�C (1:00 PM CEST on June 02, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 30.25 in 1024 hPa (Falling). 11:16 cait @wunder Reutlingen 11:16 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Reutlingen, Germany is 26.2�C (1:20 PM CEST on June 02, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.03 in 983.0 hPa (Steady). 11:16 cait ! 11:16 cait @wunder Berlin 11:16 huginn` cait: Error: No such location could be found. 11:16 cait @wunder Berlin Germany 11:16 huginn` cait: Error: No such location could be found. 11:16 cait hm 11:19 cait @wunder Berlin, Germany 11:19 huginn` cait: Error: No such location could be found. 11:21 druthb @wunder 20852 11:21 huginn` druthb: The current temperature in Potomac Woods, Rockville, Maryland is 21.4�C (7:25 AM EDT on June 02, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.08 in 1018.5 hPa (Steady). 11:32 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6335] Branch not set consistently in all SIP transactions <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6335> 11:41 conan hello everybody 11:46 cait hi conan 12:28 Brooke kia ora! 12:28 oleonard Hi Brooke 12:28 Brooke :) 12:28 cait hi oleonard and Brooke 12:28 cait :) 12:28 Brooke oleonard = I'm up at a civilised hour. 12:30 oleonard I noticed you're here early Brooke, but I wouldn't presume to think you slept in all those other days 12:30 Brooke your presumption might not be too far from the truth though ;) 12:31 Brooke are the kids out of school for summer? 12:31 oleonard One of three. The preschoolers go all summer. 12:42 Brooke good morning, Ian. 12:42 sekjal morning, Brooke 12:43 Brooke 0/ 12:44 cait :) 13:03 * oleonard is surprised about Bug 6449 13:03 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6449 enhancement, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , no way to track when patron originally enrolled 13:03 Brooke anchi'o 13:03 oleonard I had no idea dateenrolled was overwritten by a patron renewal 13:05 druthb yeah, how 'bout that... a Sirsi Symphony library spotted that. I would think Just Don't Do That would be a good answer, but it might be useful to add a datelastnewed. I can't imagine a real-world case for that, but you never know. 13:08 oleonard Actually, I can't reproduce it 13:09 * druthb raises an eyebrow. 13:10 Brooke the plot thickens 13:12 oleonard Yeah, seems to work correctly for me. 13:12 druthb Interesting...on HEAD? 13:12 oleonard Yes 13:12 * druthb will investigate. The site lists that as a Major before go-live on the 20th. 13:15 Brooke 0/ 13:16 Brooke it wouldn't be beyond the realm of possibility that it was closed in that flurry of bug fixing though, would it? Just never updated ticket wise? 13:17 druthb It is possible, Brooke. I thought I had found the culprit, when this first got reported, but now I'm not sure. 13:18 gmcharlt @quote random 13:18 huginn` gmcharlt: Quote #23: "<gmcharlt> /msg munin register nick password" (added by wizzyrea_ at 04:25 PM, August 06, 2009) 13:19 oleonard That one always gets a laugh! 13:19 druthb @quote random 13:19 huginn` druthb: Quote #50: "<pianohackr|work> It is a landmine, I tell you" (added by a user that is no longer registered at 04:44 PM, December 23, 2009) 13:19 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn`. 13:19 oleonard It? 13:20 cait about which bug are you talking? 13:20 oleonard Bug 6449 13:20 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6449 enhancement, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , no way to track when patron originally enrolled 13:20 cait ah 13:20 cait perhaps we need a creation_date field? 13:20 oleonard that's what we have :) 13:21 cait oh? 13:21 cait ah 13:21 cait ah 13:21 cait yeah, we have expiry date and date enrolled 14:06 conan does someone know what's the status of the po files in http://translate.koha-community.org in relation to current master? 14:06 conan it says there that everything's translated, 14:07 conan but I keep founding many things with mixed languages in the UI 14:07 conan so I don't know if those files have been applied or not 14:08 conan (I need to decide if I should sit my bottom one full week to exclusively translate or if I can dedicate some time to other stuff that's burning my ass) 14:17 cait conan: you should as fredericd 14:21 conan fredericd: you around? 15:22 sekjal on current HEAD, can anyone confirm if the item's enumchron field is failing to display despite being populated? This is on catalogue/detail.pl in the staff client 15:24 cait sekal there is a bug for that 15:24 cait I think ruth did a patch for that? 15:25 cait bug 6397 15:25 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6397 minor, P5, ---, ruth, ASSIGNED , Mis-named variable in .TT causes table cell shift 15:26 druthb yep. wizzyrea signed it off. It's apparently just waiting for the QA Manager. ;-) 15:27 sekjal ah, that lazy git... I'll give him a kick 15:27 druthb He's not lazy! He's just overworked by that lazy lady who does migrations for ByWater. 15:28 sekjal I'm kicking him regardless 15:28 cait *sighs* 15:28 wizzyrea sekjal I'm glad you're safe 15:28 * cait hands out cookies to you both 15:28 cait you are both NOT lazy 15:28 cait understood? 15:28 oleonard The term "git" loses its sting when the git we know is so powerful and useful. 15:29 * druthb takes a cookie, and heads to lunch and errands. Lazily. 15:29 * sekjal also takes a cookie, and gets geared up for QA work 16:18 rhcl Hey, this is interesting. de July 11 Linux Journal, at the NZ Open Source Awards Ross Ihaka, one of the developers of R, received a lifetime achievement award from Catalyst. Didn't know that R was developed in NZ. 16:25 Oak \o 17:16 gmcharlt chris_n: may I have an acknowledgement of my 3.2.x pull request sent 5/26, please? 17:19 chris_n gmcharlt: got it, tnx 17:19 gmcharlt chris_n: thanks - wasn't sure if that is a useful way to deal with consolidated backports of bugfixes 17:19 chris_n will push in a bit along with a few other's 17:20 chris_n actually that's even easier than a patch :-) 17:20 wizzyrea hi chris_n :) 17:20 chris_n heya wizzyrea 17:20 wahanui wizzyrea is a wonderful mother, colleague, and friend. or a koha poet 17:20 wizzyrea nice to see you 17:21 chris_n are you dodging tornadoes? 17:21 wizzyrea not today, thankfully 17:22 wizzyrea you? 17:22 chris_n none of late 17:23 chris_n there was one in the mid-western part of NC last week, but nothing this far east lately... thankfully 17:23 wizzyrea it was sekjal who had to watch out yesterday 17:23 wizzyrea his county was in a tornado warning 17:24 sekjal Springfield, MA got the tornados 17:24 wizzyrea yea I heard that. very sad 17:24 sekjal my friends school got hit, so he found himself with a day off 17:24 sekjal death count is at 4, from last news I saw 17:25 wizzyrea :(( 17:26 chris_n yeah, those northern tornadoes are quite unusual 17:27 sekjal it was weird 17:28 sekjal and the twilight that evening after it passed was this eerie orange 17:28 wizzyrea *nod* 17:43 jenkins_koha Starting build 28 for job Koha_3.2.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 17:44 chris_n gmcharlt: pushed 17:45 chris_n although one of them was already there 17:45 gmcharlt chris_n: thx 17:45 chris_n that about does it for 3.2.10... and 3.2.x as a whole 17:45 chris_n parting is such sweet sorrow.... 17:45 gmcharlt chris_n++ 17:51 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit32: 5684: Remove all items fields from a Z39.50 record imported for acquisition. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=99f2fdfffbd7aea5dc28c237edf0bf568483138f> / 5860 Fixing stocknumber index <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=df75fc81b4508d63679ceaaa47753b1e36f177a8> / Bug 3072: Add Heading-Main and Any to MARC21 DOM <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitd 18:21 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.2.x build #28: SUCCESS in 38 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.2.x/28/ 18:21 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Follow-up fix for Bug 5760 - Add the jquery table sorter to reading record 18:21 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 3072: Add Heading-Main and Any to MARC21 DOM 18:21 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: 5860 Fixing stocknumber index 18:21 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5760 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, RESOLVED FIXED, Add the jquery table sorter to borrowers reading record 18:21 jenkins_koha * Frédérick Capovilla: 5684: Remove all items fields from a Z39.50 record imported for acquisition. 18:21 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3072 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED , 'Heading-Main' authority-index breaks authority searching in STABLE 19:07 rangi has anyone been able to recreate bug 6449 ? 19:07 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6449 enhancement, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , no way to track when patron originally enrolled 19:07 rangi cos i cant 19:08 oleonard I can't either 19:08 rangi good im not going mad then 19:08 rangi im pretty sure jo would have driven to wellington to hit me by now if it was doing that 19:14 cait morning rangi :) 19:15 rhcl Kiwi PYCON in Wellington in August 19:16 rangi yep 19:16 rangi brett from catalyst is organising a lot of that 19:16 rangi heya cait 19:20 rhcl I hadn't realized R was originally developed in NZ. 19:20 rhcl repeat abv tx: 19:20 rhcl Hey, this is interesting. de July 11 Linux Journal, at the NZ Open Source Awards Ross Ihaka, one of the developers of R, received a lifetime achievement award from Catalyst. Didn't know that R was developed in NZ. 19:21 rangi yep 19:21 rangi up at waikato 19:21 rhcl The July issue is pretty good, learning lots of stuff. Trying to comprehend http://softwarefreedom.org/events/2010/isoc-ny/FreedomInTheCloud-transcript.html right now. 19:21 rangi or auckland 19:22 rangi http://www.r-project.org/contributors.html 19:23 rangi ah yeah, freeing the cloud 19:23 rangi francois talks well about that 19:24 rangi http://www.libravatar.org/ <-- is an example of 'cloud' software that respects freedom 19:24 rangi gitorious is another 19:25 rangi eythian gave a great talk at the OSDC conference in australia too 19:25 rangi Software as a service, without committing crimes against freedom 19:26 magnuse yay 19:26 rangi we try and make sure we do that with our hosted koha's by having the source code availabel for download, but also a button in the admin interface that you can click on to get all your config files + your db 19:26 magnuse ooh, planning on submitting that? ;-) 19:27 rangi the code to generate the backups is in already 19:27 rangi the download button only works with the koha-common packages 19:27 rangi so we have to wrap it, so it wont show if it doesnt work :) 19:28 magnuse ah, cool 19:28 rangi koha-common backs itself up nightly, and the download links to those, (so its not realtime dumping the db and killing you) 19:28 magnuse good idea ;-) 19:28 magnuse and a very cool feature! 19:28 rangi liw did it 19:29 rangi he's cool like that 19:30 magnuse liw++ 19:34 library_systems_guy does anybody know if there is an outstanding transfers script? 19:34 rangi in circ library_systems_guy 19:34 rangi transfers waiting to receive 19:34 wizzyrea yea, transfers to receive 19:35 rangi speaking of cloud 19:35 rangi http://www.librarytechnology.org/ltg-displaytext.pl?RC=15748 <-- cool 19:35 rangi hopefully they do it with freedom too :) 19:37 library_systems_guy ahh ok thanks rangi and wizzyrea 19:39 library_systems_guy so the transfers to recieve also shows transfers going out of our library? 19:39 library_systems_guy receive* 19:39 wizzyrea mmm shouldn't 19:39 library_systems_guy oh 19:39 wizzyrea i don't remember it doing that 19:39 library_systems_guy well thats the one im looking for :) 19:39 wizzyrea AHA 19:40 * druthb jumps. 19:40 wizzyrea !! 19:40 rangi well you can just do a sql report for that 19:40 * library_systems_guy squeels 19:40 wizzyrea noooooo 19:40 wizzyrea oh happy jumping and squealing 19:40 wizzyrea nm 19:40 library_systems_guy lol 19:40 library_systems_guy well my boss asked me about it...i honestly have no idea what either of them mean really 19:41 * library_systems_guy has no library degree and is a newb in this field :'( 19:41 wizzyrea don't stress :) it'll be ok 19:41 rangi everyone is 19:41 rangi some just hide it better 19:41 library_systems_guy hehe 19:41 library_systems_guy so can i get that data with a query? 19:42 rangi i gotta catch my bus, but transfers to receive will show you all the ones waiting 19:42 rangi to arrive 19:42 wizzyrea something like 19:42 library_systems_guy ok bye rangi 19:42 rangi bbiab 19:43 wizzyrea select * from branchtransfers where frombranch = 'yourbranch' and datearrived is NULL; 19:43 wizzyrea of course that doesn't get you titles/barcodes of stuff 19:43 library_systems_guy right but joins shall fix that 19:43 wizzyrea yup 19:44 hilongo hello there :9 19:44 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6450] No check in/check out messages in message_queue <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6450> 19:44 wizzyrea in theory a completed transfer should never have a null datearrived 19:45 * wizzyrea wonders about wrongtransfers 19:45 rhcl wizzyrea et al: member of Lyrasis?? 19:45 wizzyrea nope 19:46 hilongo I'm testing Record matching rules in 3.4 and they don't seem to work ... anyone knows something about it? 19:46 wizzyrea ah yea, library_systems_guy that will get you the wrongtransfers too, just fyi 19:46 wizzyrea er no it won't 19:46 wizzyrea I mean 19:46 wizzyrea sigh 19:47 wizzyrea hilongo: how exactly are they not working? 19:49 hilongo I have 10 records in my catalogue ... I have set up a matching rule with 3 matching points (title, control number and ISBN) I reimport the same 10 records and I get ' no match' for all of them :() 19:50 hilongo If I search the catalogue by title I find the books, and the same if I search using the 'cotrol number' field 001 19:51 * library_systems_guy is confused 19:51 library_systems_guy sorry...my client quit scrolling -_- 19:52 library_systems_guy i copied the report into mysql and it ran...copied the report into the report bit and it gives me an error when i download it 19:53 wizzyrea is there a space at the beginning? 19:53 wizzyrea and no semicolon at the end 19:53 library_systems_guy ... 19:53 skushner datearrived=null (because they are waiting)? 19:53 wizzyrea because they have been sent 19:53 wizzyrea but not received yet 19:53 library_systems_guy no space and no semicolon 19:53 library_systems_guy something about a null array reference 19:54 wizzyrea paste in your report 19:54 skushner Sometimes when they are "received" they go to the next person in the queue when checked in at the branch, has anyone had that problem? 19:54 skushner the holds queue... 19:54 library_systems_guy the only thing i changed from yours is i actutally inserted the branchcode 19:54 library_systems_guy select * from branchtransfers where frombranch = 'TEX' and datearrived is NULL 19:55 wizzyrea huh odd. 19:55 library_systems_guy indeed 19:55 wizzyrea and it runs from the mysql client? 19:55 library_systems_guy yes ma'am 19:55 library_systems_guy and gives back one result 19:56 library_systems_guy the error is: Can't use an undefined value as an ARRAY reference at /home/koha/kohaclone/reports/guided_reports.pl line 614. 19:56 wizzyrea yea totally works on my db from mysql... sec 19:56 library_systems_guy if that helps 19:56 oleonard Works for me as a report in Koha 19:56 library_systems_guy hmm 19:57 library_systems_guy wait...im retarded 19:57 library_systems_guy missed a ' 19:57 wizzyrea unlikely ;) 19:57 library_systems_guy lol well...i had a blonde moment then? 19:57 * Brooke has the retard market cornered! 19:57 wizzyrea ah yea that'd do it 19:57 library_systems_guy unless anyone here is blonde...then im totally sorry :'( 19:57 Brooke I wish there were a colour doo dad thinger 19:58 oleonard ? 19:58 Brooke like that programme that was all like "yo! Missing a curly bracket there tough guy!" 19:58 skushner Does anyone ever lose a hold that's transferred to a branch, when checked in at the branch? 19:59 oleonard Can you elaborate skushner? 19:59 wizzyrea only in conincidence of timing circumstances 19:59 oleonard You mean when it's checked in there's no hold message anymore? 20:00 wizzyrea where the hold is filled by another branch before the library with the item on the list gets to processing the hold 20:00 skushner Yes, Hold from mid tranferred to Bay, when checked in at Bay, Hold goes to 2nd person on Hold, not the first 20:00 wizzyrea yep, every time I've seen that it's been a coincidence of timing 20:00 skushner This happens sometimes, arbitrarily 20:00 skushner What do you mean, "conincidence of timing"? please 'splain.. 20:01 wizzyrea i mean that it's a coincidence that on, say, a very popular title 20:01 wizzyrea a copy of twilight will pass a scanner gun in library A while still on the pick list for library B 20:01 wizzyrea but before library B has picked/processed the item 20:01 wizzyrea so when B checks it in 20:01 wizzyrea it goes to #2 on the list 20:03 wizzyrea there's nothing programmatically to be done about that, imo 20:03 skushner hmmm..title level holds problem, i see. thanks. that's interesting. 20:03 Brooke I concur, and I'm a picky thing with reserves. 20:06 skushner But the problem is that the hold phone call is triggered during transfer of item to branch. Patron gets called to pick up hold at branch. When they go to pick up item, it's no longer there. It on to next person, and item from other branch is for person..???? 20:06 skushner I'm confused... 20:07 skushner Shouldn't the Holds transfer be locked into the person the item was transferred for..? 20:08 wizzyrea nope, it's not 20:08 wizzyrea no mention of who it's for in branchtransfers 20:09 skushner I knew you were going to say that's not how it works.. 20:09 wizzyrea sorry >.> 20:09 rangi you could make it lock 20:09 rangi ie refuse to let it be issued 20:09 wizzyrea i'm not sure it would be a bad thing to make it lock 20:09 rangi to anyone else 20:10 rangi but would need to be a syspref 20:10 wizzyrea well it basically becomes an itemlevel hold at that point 20:10 rangi yep 20:10 wizzyrea this item -> this patron 20:10 Brooke aye 20:10 wizzyrea which has it's own difficulties 20:10 rangi yep 20:10 skushner But does the other item then that coincidentally got checked out at the same time, go to the 1st person on the list? I guess it does.. 20:10 rangi hence syspref 20:10 wizzyrea yep, it does 20:11 wizzyrea i'm assuming these are super popular titles? 20:11 wizzyrea with heavy circ traffic and lots of copies? 20:11 skushner ok. thanks for straightening that out. At least I understand it now. Yes, they are popular... 20:11 wizzyrea yea, I'm pretty sure that's what you're seeing there 20:12 wizzyrea we see that too, on very popular high traffic/multiple copy bibs 20:12 wizzyrea it's a cost of doing business 20:12 wizzyrea what your phone should do 20:12 wizzyrea is trigger the call when it's arrived 20:12 rangi its soluble, but you'd have to spec how you want it to work and get the dev done 20:12 wizzyrea not when it's sent 20:12 wizzyrea cuz when it's waiting 20:12 wizzyrea it's ready 20:12 wizzyrea and locked 20:13 rangi what she said 20:13 * Brooke thinks it could be managed mo' better, but us devious librarians have to 'splain it right. 20:14 Brooke but prodding things that work great nearly all the time is not necessarily wise. 20:14 rangi well the main problem here is the phone call is triggered to soon 20:14 Brooke rangi: realise. :) Happens like every system I've ever put my grubby paws on. 20:14 rangi because there are many reasons why somerhing marked for transfer 20:15 rangi may not arrive 20:15 rangi Brooke: not in koha, that phone thing isn't a koha feature 20:16 wizzyrea yea, that really seems like poor design to call when the transfer starts :/ 20:16 skushner It's not integrated. It does a pick list from the day before...not realtime 20:16 wizzyrea oh that makes it even wors 20:16 Brooke ewww 20:16 Brooke now that's bad. 20:16 Brooke spank whoever thought that up. 20:17 skushner It can probably be adjusted. I'll have to think about it....it wasn't ME, by the way...but now I now why these things are disappearing..so, thanks, wizzyrea ++ 20:17 wizzyrea you are welcome : 20:17 wizzyrea :) 20:18 Brooke nothing says thanks like chocolate 20:18 picklesmcgee Hi folks, extreme koha newb. given the task of building a koha server, any advice for finding info on koha on freebsd? I've only found one tut so far, and most everythign else says ewww go to debian 20:18 Brooke just puttin' that out there 20:18 rangi if it happened on receipt the feature could probably go into koha 20:18 * wizzyrea doesn't require chocolate 20:18 rangi if you do bsd ull most likely have to figure it out urself 20:18 Brooke debian is the distro most devs use, and that's all I'ma say before someone hucks a tomatoe at me 20:20 skushner beer then? how do you send a virtual beer to kansas...? 20:20 picklesmcgee that's what i was afraid of :{ (funny tomato comment, just signed up yesterday for the tomato battle in co) thanks 20:21 wizzyrea kansas has bizarre liquor laws, better just come do it in person ;) 20:21 Brooke no wai 20:21 Brooke move to the Great Commonwealth 20:21 Brooke you can get beer delivered to your doorstep 20:22 * Brooke thought over starting a firearms, liquor, & fireworks delivery company. 20:22 skushner Yeah...my sister lived in a dry county, in Salina, i think... 20:23 wizzyrea ah yea. I grew up in the county south of that 20:23 wizzyrea also dry 20:23 wizzyrea not so much anymore 20:52 skushner Wizzy, one more question about "coincidence of timing" and holds, please.... 20:52 wizzyrea go for it 20:53 skushner When item hold transfer to branch is on hold for patron, and another branch checks in the same title coincidentally...does another HOLD SLIP get created for the original patron..??? 20:54 wizzyrea yes 20:55 skushner ok, because we thought it was no....we've been putting them back on hold and bumping them up.... 20:55 skushner rats 20:56 wizzyrea well, that's what happens in koha 20:57 wizzyrea it may not be the same for you :/ 21:09 library_systems_guy is it hard to turn a regular sql report into a "canned report"? if that makes sense 21:45 hilongo Hello again .. I asked this already, but maybe now there is someone who an help me 21:45 hilongo I'm testing Record matching rules in 3.4 and they don't seem to work ... anyone knows something about it? 21:46 cait what exactly does not work? 21:46 hilongo I have 10 records in my catalogue ... I have set up a matching rule with 3 matching points (title, control number and ISBN) I reimport the same 10 records and I get ' no match' for all of them :() 21:46 cait on which step are you stuck? 21:46 cait have you rebuild your index? 21:46 hilongo If I search the catalogue by title I find the books, and the same if I search using the 'control number' field 001 21:46 cait after importing the first 10 - can you search for them? 21:46 cait ok 21:46 hilongo here is the thing ... 21:46 cait how have you set up your matching points? 21:47 rangi you are importing via the web interface eh? staged marc records 21:47 rangi ? 21:47 rangi cait: yep he has :) 21:47 hilongo If I create a rule from scratch.... using the Title alone ... it works 21:48 hilongo BUT .. If I edit it ... by adding another Matchpoin ... or anything ...it no longer works 21:48 rangi sounds like a bug to me, have you checked bugs.koha-community.org ? 21:48 hilongo yep ... searched 'matching rules' but it yields three bugs non related to this 21:49 rangi might have to file a new one 21:49 cait hm, never tried to use more than one - so no idea if it used to work 21:49 hilongo by the way .. If I create a rule to match the 001 field ... using index Control-number ... it doesn't work, even from scratch 21:50 cait ouch 21:50 wizzyrea ah, if you do two match points, but leave off the control number as one? 21:50 hilongo We used the feature in 3.2 ... and is working ok ... 21:50 wizzyrea does it work? 21:50 wizzyrea so title/isbn, does that work? 21:50 rangi afaik nothing changed with match points for 3.4.x but i could be wrong 21:50 Space_Librarian morning #koha TGIF 21:51 pianohacker hola spacelib 21:51 pianohacker time_zones-- 21:51 cait some work on the interface by owen I think, but can't remember anything else 21:51 hilongo will test the title/isbn thin ... 21:53 hilongo yep ... title/isbn worked 21:53 wizzyrea so it's just the control number that's borked 21:53 hilongo ... seems to be 21:55 hilongo but if I edit the rule ... say, to change the scores or the description ... it's bye bye ... no longer works ... 21:55 wizzyrea so it's the 3rd factor that breaks it? 21:55 wizzyrea or everything except title/isbn is broken 21:56 hilongo nope ... I didn't add any matchpoint .. just changed the score for title 21:56 wizzyrea yup sounds like a bug, file one 21:56 wizzyrea bugzilla? 21:56 wahanui bugzilla is found at http://bugs.koha-community.org 21:58 hilongo Ok .. will be filing it tomorrow and I'll try to see what happens with the tables in th DB when creating and editing 22:22 rangi isnt chris_n in NC ? 22:22 rangi hilongo: good plan 22:30 pianohacker rangi: Is there an efficient way to use git bz apply for patches you need to fix merge conflicts on? What it seems to be doing makes no sense whatsoever 22:31 pianohacker something like git-rebase where it tries to apply the patch and shows conflict markers where it can't would be lovely; git-am seems to try to apply the patch and simply goes 'meh' if it can't, which is frustrating 22:32 rangi pianohacker: git am will do conflict markers if there is a conflict 22:33 pianohacker That was my understanding, but it appears to be doing absolutely nothing; I'll post a pastebin 22:33 rangi it may be that git-bz is not giving git am the right switches 22:34 pastebot "pianohacker" at 67.177.235.113 pasted "rangi: here's what it's doing" (23 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/71 22:34 pianohacker there's a .git/rebase-apply directory, so it thinks it's in the middle of _something_; I'm just not sure what the expected workflow is 22:36 rangi yes its doing a git am 22:37 pastebot "rangi" at 202.78.240.7 pasted "git am attachment.cgi\?id=2739" (14 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/72 22:37 rangi its doing exactly that 22:38 pianohacker okay, that makes sense 22:38 cait I ran into that too 22:38 pastebot "rangi" at 202.78.240.7 pasted "git am -3 attachment.cgi\?id=2" (19 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/73 22:38 rangi thats what we normally do 22:38 cait normally I do a git status to check for the files I have to work on, but it showed none and didn't complete 22:38 pianohacker rangi: Alright, so I need to modify git-bz to do something halfway useful. Thanks 22:38 rangi yes we arent telling it to try and merge a unclean patch anyway 22:39 rangi its only going apply ones that apply clean 22:39 rangi youd need to make it a switch 22:39 rangi because arguably applying only clean is a desired behaviour 22:39 pianohacker for certain workflows, yes 22:40 rangi so git bz appply -3 4222 22:40 rangi would make sense to me 22:40 rangi you could do -s too 22:40 rangi to sign off 22:40 rangi etc 22:40 pianohacker would also be nice if the git documentation gave more info on what -3 did, but, well, git documentation :) 22:41 rangi -3, --3way When the patch does not apply cleanly, fall back on 3-way merge if the patch records the identity of blobs it is supposed to apply to and we have those blobs available locally. 22:41 rangi -u we want too 22:41 pianohacker right, that kind of makes sense 22:41 pianohacker just didn't know what a 3-way merge was 22:42 rangi ah 22:42 rangi goes back to the base commit (where they diverged) 22:43 rangi and merges both together on top of that 22:43 rangi so merging three things together 22:43 pianohacker and now the name makes sense, thank you 22:43 rangi vs just applying the diffs 22:44 pianohacker a paragraph like that in the man page would be muy helpful, I might have to send in a patch 22:44 rangi :) 22:46 rangi well its more complex than that 22:47 rangi http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-merge.html 22:47 rangi you can set up all sorts of merge strategies 22:49 rangi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merge_(revision_control)#Three-way_merge 22:49 rangi theres whole degrees in merge strategies ;-) 22:52 pianohacker PhD theses, etc. Yeah, I can imagine 23:12 * rangi steals some very simple little patches out of sekjals queue 23:13 jenkins_koha Starting build 273 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 23:14 rangi ibeardslee: http://grooveshark.com/#/album/Contact+From+The+Underworld+Of+Redboy/2364822 23:14 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6380 - Z39.50 Cataloging Search needs a way to try search again, even if results... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d816d6fc5be11529f712c9dffb2d59d202d28ea4> / Bug 6361 - make the packages work with koha 3.4 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c779f2b38048d25f4ed553b2742713f0ec0b4d9e> 23:19 rangi library_systems_guy: you about? 23:19 rangi http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commit;h=7a2bf32ba29aaa19fddec201c5b3ef25a83af773 23:26 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6437: Added div with id yui-main around advsearch form <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7a2bf32ba29aaa19fddec201c5b3ef25a83af773> 23:30 ibeardslee rangi: I think I have a copy of that at home 23:30 rangi cool 23:32 pianohacker robbie robertson's music sounds interesting, but man has he not aged well, poor fellow 23:37 ibeardslee there is something so special about the music from the people of the 60s 23:37 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6350 - Keeping history page up to date <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f0a1165a2c3e32fb8e2b1ac48793f6d34c54cb2b> 23:37 rangi ibeardslee: its true 23:37 ibeardslee a big difference to the manufactured music of today 23:37 rangi yup 23:56 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #273: SUCCESS in 42 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/273/ 23:56 jenkins_koha * Robin Sheat: Bug 6361 - make the packages work with koha 3.4 23:56 jenkins_koha * Liz Rea: Bug 6380 - Z39.50 Cataloging Search needs a way to try search again, even if results are found 23:56 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6361 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, ASSIGNED , Packages need support for the 3.4 upgrade 23:56 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6380 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, wizzyrea, ASSIGNED , Z39.50 Cataloging Search needs a way to try search again, even if results are found 23:56 jenkins_koha Starting build 274 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)