Time  Nick                  Message
23:51 Soupermanito          :D thats why i want to learn about it :D
23:50 Soupermanito          :) a lot of universities in argentina are starting to use koha
23:48 rangi                 http://access2011.library.ubc.ca/schedule/#day1
23:43 Soupermanito          i've also found this http://hubpages.com/hub/Install-Koha-on-Ubuntu
23:43 eythian               http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Setting_Up_Koha_in_Virtual_Environment_%2B_Using_That_as_a_Development_Environment <-- Soupermanito, maybe this'll get you somewhere.
23:42 Soupermanito          yes i noticed that
23:42 Soupermanito          :)
23:42 pianohacker           Soupermanito: that's very doable. You don't even need virtual machines as clients, since a Koha client is just a web browser
23:38 Soupermanito          so i was hoping to learn to install it and configure it using a simple network i have at this box, whit some virtual machines as clients and stuff like that
23:37 Soupermanito          to add that to my resum� XD
23:37 Soupermanito          oh :D ok, ahm hello people then, I am a library science student and i wanted to learn to use and configure koha
23:36 rangi                 wahanui is a bot, it doesnt really speak any language
23:35 Soupermanito          :D hablan espa�ol?
23:35 Soupermanito          hola!
23:35 wahanui               hola, Soupermanito
23:35 Soupermanito          well hello
23:34 Soup                  oh :D hello
23:29 huginn`               New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6258 - Guided reports wizard 'Build new' brings up empty page <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=14364d9866dd65abb737a59e49f297328edde83d>
23:28 jenkins_koha          Starting build 259 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
22:57 huginn`               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3140 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , It is possible to email someone else's private list
22:57 jenkins_koha          Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 3140 - It is possible to email someone else's private list
22:57 jenkins_koha          Project Koha_master build #258: SUCCESS in 42 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/258/
22:55 rhcl                  Oh, after one hour I'm sure I'd walk out... :)
22:54 rhcl                  makefile is apparently just a list of all the perl modules and stuff included (images, etc) in the final Koha build
22:54 eythian               1 hour is a bit short. It seems like a 1 week presentation would start to fit most of it :)
22:53 rhcl                  the next kohacon I go to I want somebody to do a full 1 hour presentation on what it's doing.
22:53 eythian               (disclaimer: I haven't the foggiest idea of how MakeMaker works, just that it exists)
22:52 eythian               it's probably started with MakeMaker
22:52 rangi                 its moving templtaes round, populating config files etc
22:49 pianohacker           rhcl: according to git log Makefile.PL, slef started it, and he's the local perl wizard
22:48 rhcl                  It seems to do a heck of a lot of stuff for a non-compiled language
22:47 rhcl                  who wrote Makefile.PL?
22:46 cait                  good night #koha
22:16 cait                  :)
22:15 rangi                 yay
22:14 jenkins_koha          Starting build 258 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
22:14 huginn`               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6395 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , cannot create routing list - template error?
22:14 huginn`               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6343 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , Label Creator not working , Current Branch: NULL
22:14 huginn`               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5658 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, fridolyn.somers, ASSIGNED , can't delete subfields in frameworks
22:14 huginn`               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6401 trivial, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, NEW , Give Ian Walls credit in the history file.
22:14 jenkins_koha          * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 6395, Cannot create routing list
22:14 jenkins_koha          * Katrin Fischer: Bug 6343: TT issues in label creator
22:14 huginn`               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3580 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Control order in which facet categories display
22:14 jenkins_koha          * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 5658 can't delete subfields in frameworks
22:14 jenkins_koha          * ruth@bywatersolutions.com: Bug 6401 fix to the history file
22:14 jenkins_koha          * Frédérick Capovilla: Bug 3580 Sort the facets categories so they don't move every search.
22:14 jenkins_koha          Project Koha_master build #257: SUCCESS in 43 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/257/
21:56 huginn`               New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 3140 - It is possible to email someone else's private list <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b65f6d0a99dc13e73aed5058a44a72895c829b32>
21:48 pianohacker           good to be back
21:48 pianohacker           thanks wizzy :)
21:45 wizzyrea              h its nice to haveph around again :)
21:44 Space_Librarian       did I not feed jenkins enough cookies last night? sorry. ;)
21:43 jenkins_koha          pianohacker: great! yum yum. I just love RAM!
21:43 pianohacker           !jenkins botsnack RAM
21:40 jenkins_koha          cait: you're so kind to me! I could eat lots of cookies all day long
21:40 cait                  !jenkins botsnack lots of cookies
21:39 cait                  hungry jenkins
21:36 huginn`               New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 6395, Cannot create routing list <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5984520211337750fbae0fe5a5fcba7cb85bf212> / Bug 6343: TT issues in label creator <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f515052d6e2a41f0a84b2999204691a84ebe78e1> / Bug 5658 can't delete subfields in frameworks <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=fafbff9018ecc4030983ca14
21:36 rangi                 i think its under control again now
21:35 rangi                 oh look you have ram, let me use ALL OF IT
21:35 rangi                 java
21:35 rangi                 yeah
21:35 cait                  unhappy jenkins?
21:31 jenkins_koha          Starting build 257 for job Koha_master (previous build: ABORTED -- last SUCCESS #255 1 j 19 h ago)
21:29 jenkins_koha          Project Koha_master build #256: ABORTED in 3 mn 38 s: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/256/
21:27 cait                  gmcharlt: good to know!
21:25 NCARMichael           it works! yet another thanks, galen. (and pianohacker!)
21:24 gmcharlt              at least in 5.1
21:24 gmcharlt              no, I'm still wrong, it likes that
21:23 cait                  I think you are right about htat
21:23 gmcharlt              now I remember, I think it's group by 1 that mysql doesn't do
21:23 gmcharlt              ...
21:23 gmcharlt              cait: indeed; for some reason I was under the mistaken impression that mysql didn't support that yet
21:20 cait                  distance_study_sql_course++
21:20 cait                  hehe
21:20 cait                  does work for me
21:20 cait                  n
21:20 cait                  for first colum
21:20 pianohacker           cait++ # Never heard of that before, but it works
21:19 cait                  you could try order by 1
21:18 pianohacker           gmcharlt: So there's specifically a problem with aliasing the results of functions? That's frustrating, thanks for figuring it out
21:16 * wizzyrea            is happy to see joins instead of left joins
21:16 pastebot              "gmcharlt" at 68.101.78.67 pasted "NCARMichael: this version works" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/67
21:15 gmcharlt              NCARMichael: turns out it didn't like the aliasing of 'title' in the order by clause
21:10 pianohacker           NCARMichael: Is it feasible for you to check your error log?
21:10 sekjal                later Space_Librarian, rangi, #koha!
21:10 rangi                 cya
21:10 Space_Librarian       :)
21:10 Space_Librarian       ciao sekjal
21:09 sekjal                'bye sekjal' is more appropriate now... I've got to dash
21:09 Space_Librarian       hehehe. :)
21:09 rangi                 Space_Librarian even
21:09 rangi                 gah
21:09 rangi                 hi sekjal
21:07 Space_Librarian       morning #koha
21:07 pianohacker           NCARMichael: I'm really not sure why that's breaking it, sorry
21:07 rhcl                  yep, absolutely the best hardware known to humankind, but noisy. Sad situation now that Sun has departed.
21:05 rangi                 yeah
21:05 slef                  sounds like the suns I remember
21:05 rhcl                  My poor tech assistant, a college student, bought one for himself in all his excitement over such a great find. He can't use it since he has to keep it in his bedroom and it's too noisy for anyone in the house to stand.  :)
21:04 rangi                 rhcl: noisy?
21:04 rangi                 i wonder if i could bring a couple back in my suitcase
21:03 rhcl                  no, it's used, surely no money to Oracle, and we even used Deb instead of Solaris
21:03 slef                  rhcl: does buying that fund oracle? ;)
21:03 rhcl                  oh, and it looks like the current batch only has 4gb, ours has 8. Looks like we bought at the right time.
21:02 pianohacker           looking at the code now
21:02 pianohacker           gmcharlt: you're right, it doesn't make sense
21:01 gmcharlt              pianohacker: it isn't adding an order by automatically to SQL reports.  how would it even guess?
21:01 rhcl                  https://www.andovercg.com/store/Sun-SunFire-Fire-V20z-Dual-2-2Ghz-4GB-Server-p1136.html
21:01 rhcl                  speaking of servers, we got one of these and are using it for our Koha test machine. Very happy with it so far. 'cept they've raised the price, our's was $69.
21:00 NCARMichael           but i'm not using guided reports...
20:59 rangi                 to edit the patch
20:59 pianohacker           the guided reports wizard is likely adding its own ORDER BY, which doesn't work
20:58 rangi                 you can use -e
20:58 pianohacker           NCARMichael: Adding ORDER BY TITLE is valid SQL
20:58 rangi                 this is cool too
20:58 wizzyrea              kool
20:58 rangi                 yes
20:58 rangi                 that will attach the latest commit, to the bug
20:58 wizzyrea              how does it know who you are? based on firrefox cookie?
20:58 rangi                 sorry git bz attach
20:57 NCARMichael           pianohacker: r u sure it's a bug? pages work fine on custom report UNLESS i add "order by title"
20:57 rangi                 git attach bz bugnumber HEAD
20:57 slef                  gmcharlt: too many customers... need more space for dev work... nothing to worry about... just need the research server to come online in a few days
20:57 rangi                 you make a commit
20:57 rangi                 is on your branch
20:57 rangi                 so what you do
20:56 huginn`               New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6401 fix to the history file <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=59e9137d8339de68f2cc4c7dcc60f4e2d7fbea43> / Bug 3580 Sort the facets categories so they don't move every search. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0d4ab0ecb65dd92f785b062e2dbe920bc8e1bfcf>
20:55 gmcharlt              slef: what happened?
20:55 wizzyrea              you can use gitbz to attach patches to bugs as well
20:55 slef                  I need more servers again :(
20:55 cait                  wizzyrea ? :)
20:54 wizzyrea              ?
20:53 wizzyrea              was there more to do for pushing up patches
20:53 rangi                 yay
20:53 cait                  wizzyrea++
20:53 cait                  rangi: got git-bz working with liz help :)
20:52 NCARMichael           yes, custom SQL.
20:48 rangi                 sounds like a good plan to me
20:47 sekjal                rangi:  most of the ones in the Passed QA queue right now are easy... I started with ones I could do by reading
20:47 rangi                 thats an easy push :)
20:47 huginn`               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6401 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, NEW , Give Ian Walls credit in the history file.
20:47 rangi                 bug 6401
20:47 rangi                 heh
20:45 sekjal                I'll see both in the QA process
20:45 sekjal                either place is fine by me
20:45 cait                  sekjal: better to note on bug in the commit message or in bugzilla?
20:45 pianohacker           NCARMichael: accursed thing. This is being run through the custom SQL part of the guided reports wizard, right?
20:44 cait                  I try :)
20:44 cait                  oh
20:44 NCARMichael           pages only disappeared once i added "ORDER BY TITLE"
20:43 sekjal                (pushing through QA right now)
20:43 huginn`               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6340 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , Pagination bar on guided reports result page broken
20:43 sekjal                cait:  for the test plan included with bug 6340
20:43 wizzyrea              well you're awesome of course
20:43 cait                  yeah, wahanui - I KNOW - but why is he giving mekarma?
20:42 Brooke                tee hee!
20:42 wahanui               sekjal is a wonderful geek.
20:42 cait                  sekjal?
20:42 slef                  dinner still cooking :)
20:42 cait                  does never show up
20:42 cait                  there were 2 bugs, the  pagination bar in 3.4.1 is still broken I think
20:42 sekjal                cait++
20:41 wizzyrea              I just download those :P
20:41 wizzyrea              that's been a bug for a while
20:41 wizzyrea              actually no, probably not
20:41 NCARMichael           i wonder if this has anything to do with galen's recent patch for the pages bug...
20:40 NCARMichael           uh oh. now it gives me only one page.
20:39 pianohacker           np
20:38 NCARMichael           oh.  duh.  thx!
20:37 larryb                Hi there.
20:37 rangi                 heya larryb
20:36 Brooke                0/
20:36 pianohacker           I think you should be able to just tack on an ORDER BY TITLE to the end of that
20:36 NCARMichael           anyone? Bueller?
20:35 NCARMichael           question: how to order results by title (asc)
20:34 NCARMichael           http://paste.koha-community.org/65?tx=on&submit=Format+it!
20:34 NCARMichael           allo again. more reports...
20:33 cait                  w
20:33 cait                  rangi: see your mail no
20:32 rangi                 cool
20:32 rangi                 then grab any simple ones out of signed off (one line TT changes and the like)
20:32 cait                  go and greetings to S :)
20:32 sekjal                apparently, I'm dyslexic for bug numbers
20:32 rangi                 ill clear my passed qa queue first
20:32 slef                  yeaaaaah
20:32 huginn`               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6395 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , cannot create routing list - template error?
20:32 sekjal                bug 6395
20:32 rhcl                  :)
20:32 rhcl                  slef isn't going to get anything to eat...stays on irc
20:32 slef                  bug -1
20:31 rangi                 :)
20:31 sekjal                that's not the right number
20:31 sekjal                wait
20:31 huginn`               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6359 minor, P5, ---, cnighswonger, NEW , number one printing on quick label page
20:31 slef                  Brooke: what would you make of a flat roofing contractor?
20:31 sekjal                rangi:  sounds great.  working on bug 6359 right now
20:31 rangi                 sekjal: sound like an ok idea?
20:31 Brooke                hey, mebbe I like biting lions.
20:31 rangi                 sekjal: i was going to jump into the signed off queue and grab any of the little TT bugs
20:30 rhcl                  hehe
20:30 slef                  outlaw the lion biting people... that's the EU solution :-S
20:30 rhcl                  that's real target reduction
20:30 cait                  rangi: don#t see yourmail?
20:30 rhcl                  shoot the lion?
20:30 rangi                 just faster than the guy next to you
20:30 sekjal                rangi:  shoot
20:30 rangi                 you dont have to run faster than the lion
20:30 rangi                 rhcl: all security is target reduction, not absolutes
20:29 rangi                 sekjal: i have a question for ya
20:29 slef                  now really dinner :)
20:29 rhcl                  slef: no, but I'm not a very persistent peep. I'm not really making any effort to really look up personal info on her.
20:29 slef                  and urgh, someone reply to mbreeding before I do please... he's comparing libwebcats with the wiki instead of the suggested optionally-anonymised popcon.
20:29 rangi                 heh sekjal and I both replied at the same time to bev
20:29 Brooke                you'd be amazed at how buried some duhrectors can make things
20:28 rhcl                  but there is a lot of data associating your nick with your real name...but my thought is that we generally regard contact info (official business info) for things like library directors as open knowledge here in the US.
20:28 slef                  rhcl: and home?
20:27 pianohacker           routers-- # one hell of a day for tech
20:27 sekjal                slef:  dropping the 's' at the end of my name gives much worse results, in my finding.  more common, that iteration of the name
20:27 cait                  for our new homepage anyway and which information I wanted to show there
20:27 Brooke                it's two different worlds if you put in just my first and last name versus the name I publish under.
20:26 cait                  I had to sign a paper
20:26 cait                  yep
20:25 rhcl                  yea
20:25 cait                  on our institution's hp?
20:25 rhcl                  Well, I'm finding info on Katrin Fisher, including work contact info, but maybe I'm missing the point
20:25 wizzyrea              rea is just short
20:25 wizzyrea              ;)
20:25 wizzyrea              elizabeth vs. liz
20:24 slef                  dinnertime bbl
20:24 slef                  wizzyrea: what's rea short for?
20:24 slef                  sekjal: yeah, search engines keep singularising your name, I see now :-/
20:22 rangi                 http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/news/ird-cloud-alert-no-issue-were-talking-says-xero?Opendocument&HighLight=2,IRD
20:22 rangi                 the tax department wasnt happy with them
20:21 rangi                 here xero got in trouble for storing peoples data overseas
20:20 wizzyrea              there are several of my short name, not sure how many in long form
20:18 sekjal                slef: I think there are only two of me in the US... the third is recently deceased (the author of gardening books)
20:18 Brooke                oi, that's my gig.
20:18 cait                  same for me I fear :)
20:18 slef                  I think you're hiding by having a common name!
20:17 cait                  sekjal: yes, they are not allowed to give data out to a third party and the person giving the data can make a request to see all the data they have saved
20:17 slef                  bah it would help if I remembered which state you're in :)
20:17 * cait                feels weird
20:16 sekjal                slef: I think you'll have an easy time of it
20:16 cait                  huh?
20:16 * slef                tries to find sekjal
20:16 slef                  sekjal: try to find Cait.
20:16 slef                  sekjal: mainly for things that give credit or hold money I think. And yes, always protected as default.
20:16 Brooke                be damned if you can't find duplicated info elsewhere, minus the checkout data, of course.
20:15 Brooke                our info is technically protected to under your jurisdiction
20:15 Brooke                "Oh, this is abuse? I wanted an argument!"
20:14 sekjal                and is that data always protected under the law?
20:14 slef                  Brooke: next council up. I'm only advisory on zoning.
20:14 sekjal                how often do you have to provide address/phone/email info to sign up for services in the EU?
20:14 * Brooke              rings slef up angrily with a zoning dispute.
20:13 cait                  I had mine deleted some time ago, should check again
20:13 slef                  oh wait, one is because I'm a councillor
20:13 slef                  heh, yeah, my personal phone numbers aren't listed
20:13 cait                  sekjal: there are phone books, but you don't have to get listed
20:13 slef                  sekjal: it depends. For someone like me, the Distance Selling Regulations and so on means I'm findable.
20:13 Ropuch                Evening #koha
20:12 cait                  and once we have some templates it will get easier I hope
20:12 cait                  the paperwork for privacy laws is driving me insane. but I understand why we do it
20:12 sekjal                is it any harder to find European folks addresses than Americans'?
20:12 slef                  UK privacy is http://www.ico.gov.uk/for_organisations/data_protection/the_guide/the_principles.aspx
20:12 cait                  yep, exactly
20:10 slef                  also, the cloud = USA often = out of our laws
20:10 cait                  having patron data somewhere in the cloud
20:10 cait                  and a reason why people here don't get excited about web scale
20:10 rangi                 ok my stop back soon
20:09 cait                  and a whole lot of existing email addresses... you can even sell that for good money
20:09 slef                  now you see, this is why it's a criminal offence to transfer personal data from the EU to the USA without safeguards ;-)
20:09 cait                  a lot of people here do not list their phone numbers publicly
20:09 sekjal                slef: ok, that definitely overrules my considerations for a very large geographical area
20:09 cait                  not of patrons
20:09 slef                  rangi: yeah, those were some other things I waved at quickly (things like...) and ran away from this time ;-)
20:09 cait                  sekjal: um no
20:08 slef                  sekjal: EU laws disagree.
20:08 rangi                 and only 1 vendor per lib etc
20:08 rangi                 and the fact it conflates vendor with software
20:08 sekjal                slef:  I consider addresses, phone numbers and emails to be public knowledge
20:07 slef                  sekjal: home address, payment details, ...
20:07 rangi                 its the terms of use
20:07 rangi                 but my main issue isn't the social engineering bit
20:07 sekjal                and then you'd be able to extract patron reading history
20:07 slef                  I've just checked 3 of our libraries: 2 name one librarian (not the director) and 1 names no-one.
20:06 rangi                 one doesn't work, u have thousands more to try
20:06 cait                  I think some big libraries do it different, but the small ones all do afaik
20:06 rangi                 sekjal: thats where a nice big list is handy
20:05 cait                  slef: it's normal here that the team with names and work areas are listed
20:05 sekjal                I don't have stats on how often that's true...
20:05 sekjal                would only work if the library worker knew who the support company was
20:05 rangi                 it happens a lot more than ppl think
20:05 slef                  cait: library directors are not listed on homepages in many cases here AIUI. If you are lucky, one librarian may be named. I'm surprised it's different for you: I thought we shared the same privacy laws?
20:05 sekjal                slef:  yes, better exploit
20:05 rangi                 done well, breach would never be noticed/reported
20:04 slef                  sekjal: no, to call a library worker, claiming to be from the support company, invoking the library director's name if they doubt it.
20:04 cait                  sure it makes it easier to have the information already in a nice database, but it's not hard to get that info for someone who wants it
20:03 cait                  and library directors are listed on homepages
20:03 sekjal                so would the exploit be to call the library director and claim to be from the support company, asking for passwords?
20:03 cait                  for the proprietary systems support provider = software
20:03 slef                  cait: but library director names, support provider names?
20:03 cait                  and someone from the field can findout the software you are using by looking at the opac pretty easily
20:02 cait                  everybody can find out a library address
20:02 cait                  I think it's perhaps important how much information you have there
20:02 slef                  sekjal: IOW no, not yet.
20:02 slef                  sekjal: people tend not to be open about successful security exploits.
20:01 sekjal                slef:  I think I get where you're going with the Social Engineering concerns, but I'm missing the crucial piece of being worried.  do you have any cases yet of bad guys attempting to use the info on libwebcats to steal patron data?
19:59 slef                  just checking
19:58 slef                  :)
19:58 wahanui               i guess odc-by is http://www.opendatacommons.org/licenses/by/
19:58 slef                  odc-by?
19:58 slef                  odc-by is http://www.opendatacommons.org/licenses/by/
19:58 slef                  If ODC-BY is WorldCat-clickwrap-(AIUI)-compatible, that seems like a bug to me.
19:58 cait                  odc-by?
19:57 slef                  That makes little sense.
19:57 rangi                 gah
19:57 slef                  They're going to adopt ODC-BY for WorldCat *alongside* the current usage policy, according to latest emails.
19:57 rangi                 they did?
19:57 slef                  Anyway, after trying to send my most patient explanation (I failed), I then got bad news about OCLC's adoption of ODC-By
19:56 slef                  ...paved with good intentions :(
19:55 rangi                 I do think he thinks he is doing good
19:55 slef                  sekjal: yeah, I know people who wanted to insert Britney Spears, but think the time for such things is passed.
19:55 rangi                 I think he probably hasn't
19:55 * sekjal              struggles not to insert a Britney Spears joke here... the time for such things is passed
19:55 slef                  can he really not have realised libwebcats is a huge conman's streetmap?
19:54 slef                  he winds me up
19:54 slef                  tweaked mbreeding
19:53 rangi                 ?
19:51 slef                  oops I did it again
19:49 sekjal                what?!  it's GORGEOUS outside
19:48 bg                    yeah 25 is too hot
19:47 sekjal                bg: I think I have you beat, amazingly
19:46 huginn`               sekjal: The current temperature in Plain Road East, South Deerfield, Massachusetts is 25.0�C (3:35 PM EDT on May 25, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013.1 hPa (Steady).
19:46 sekjal                @wunder 01373
19:46 huginn`               rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 17.0�C (7:35 AM NZST on May 26, 2011). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Rising).
19:46 rangi                 @wunder wellington nz
19:45 rangi                 its rainy out there
19:43 huginn`               wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 17.6�C (2:47 PM CDT on May 25, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 29.41 in 995.8 hPa (Steady).
19:43 wizzyrea              @wunder lawrence ks
19:43 cait                  almost as warm as in california - I bet we had 19.7 at your time :)
19:42 cait                  hi bg :)
19:40 bg                    heya cait
19:40 huginn`               cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 17.2�C (9:40 PM CEST on May 25, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 30.08 in 1018.5 hPa (Steady).
19:40 cait                  @wunder Konstanz
19:39 huginn`               bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 19.7�C (12:43 PM PDT on May 25, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1015.8 hPa (Steady).
19:39 bg                    @wunder 93109
19:39 adnc                  ;)
19:37 cait                  perhaps you want to try :)
19:37 huginn`               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6361 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, ASSIGNED , Packages need support for the 3.4 upgrade
19:37 cait                  bug 6361
19:37 adnc                  thanks for the info
19:37 adnc                  hi cait
19:37 cait                  wizzyrea++
19:36 cait                  adnc: I think there is apatch that needs to be tested for the packages
19:32 adnc                  rangi any news about koha 3.4 for debian?
19:31 rangi                 bbiab
19:31 rangi                 off to catch the bus
19:30 rangi                 :)
19:30 wizzyrea              *nod* when I get back to work proper tomorrow
19:30 rangi                 wizzyrea is going to put her notes on the wiki i am sure
19:29 rangi                 (it works for standard bz, but our path is slightly different, and the bug is in setting hte path variable)
19:29 rangi                 there is a little bug in the upstream, which ive sent a patch for, but until then if you clone from my repo it works
19:28 wizzyrea              ph, i also have pretty good notes on it
19:28 rangi                 pianohacker: have a look back in the logs
19:27 wahanui               hey, Brooke
19:27 Brooke                howdy
19:27 cait                  hi adnc :)
19:27 adnc                  hello koha
19:24 pianohacker           hey, this looks really cool. I thought this was some unholy combo of git and bazaar, but bugzilla integration sounds really useful
19:23 rhcl                  hihi cait
19:23 cait                  trying to set up git-bz now :)
19:23 * cait                waves
19:23 rhcl                  yep
19:22 pianohacker           but not the most user-friendly way of showing it
19:22 pianohacker           probably some issue with the 2048x2048 max screenbuffer size on most intel cards
19:21 rhcl                  I had to set the resolution to 800 X 600 _before_ connecting the vga cable.
19:21 rhcl                  Yes Yes! forgot about that. It totally locked up my netbook when I tried that.
19:20 pianohacker           But i'll have to check xmonad out
19:20 pianohacker           rangi: I... dunno. I like some of the more interesting eyecandy compiz can do
19:20 pianohacker           rhcl: Unity almost had a heart attack when I dared put something in my VGA port
19:20 rhcl                  Yea, I've tried various settings with compiz, but a lot of the effects are annoying so I go back to some very basic things like transparency, which is helpful sometimes. I'm not completely decided on how well I <dis>like Unity. It seems OK on my netbook, but I really like multiple screens.
19:19 rangi                 just join eythian and I and use xmonad pianohacker :)
19:17 pianohacker           If you want to customize compiz at all, things get very twitchy
19:17 pianohacker           I really like the feel of it. Either it or the other changes to compiz have made the whole system a bit fragile, though
19:15 rhcl                  Unity is better now than the first iteration; the first was really flakey, but with some recent updates and a better working knowledge of it it seems to be better.
19:09 pianohacker           *sniff*
19:08 * Brooke              comforts pianohacker.
19:07 pianohacker           one crash too many
19:07 pianohacker           Welp, I think I'm about fed up with unity
19:01 NCARMichael           it works! thx galen.
18:59 Brooke                0/
18:50 huginn`               New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6409] pagination bar for guided report output does not work if report has parameters <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6409>
18:48 cait                  I think Space_Librarian and some others tried to register
18:48 gmcharlt              NCARMichael: that fix is applied on your database.  enjoy
18:47 cait                  mails fixed?
18:46 gmcharlt              :( sorry
18:46 * Brooke              wishes that the wiki fairy would come and sort things out for categories and uploads.
18:45 wizzyrea              ah k ... lemme see
18:44 cait                  thx for your sign-off on that :)
18:44 gmcharlt              it also needs the patch for 6340 that cait did
18:44 gmcharlt              wizzyrea: in that case, mind testing the patch I just submitted?
18:39 wizzyrea              *nod* that one bugs me too ;)
18:38 huginn`               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6409 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , pagination bar for guided report output does not work if report has parameters
18:38 gmcharlt              NCARMichael: @bug 6409
18:25 pianohacker           So glad to be on summer vacation
18:25 pianohacker           amen
18:25 Brooke                hooray for school winding down :D
18:25 Brooke                awesome
18:25 pianohacker           Pretty good!
18:25 Brooke                how are things?
18:24 pianohacker           Hey brooke
18:24 Brooke                0/
18:22 gmcharlt              NCARMichael: it's a bug; working on fix
18:21 hdl                   going home
17:58 NCARMichael           (going to lunch...back later)
17:58 Brooke                0/
17:56 NCARMichael           When I try to go to Page 2 of results, it reruns the report...
17:56 NCARMichael           Galen, using http://paste.koha-community.org/62
17:51 Brooke                0/
17:49 Brooke                If I had had comp sci profs like gmcharlt, I'd know how to code.
17:48 Brooke                galen++
17:48 NCARMichael           thx galen
17:39 gmcharlt              second is joining the biblio table to get access to biblio.title
17:38 gmcharlt              so first one is using another extractvalue, just adding a comma and a column alias name change
17:38 pastebot              "gmcharlt" at 68.101.78.67 pasted "NCARMichael: variant 2" (7 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/63
17:37 pastebot              "gmcharlt" at 68.101.78.67 pasted "NCARMichael: variant 1" (6 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/62
17:37 Brooke                kia ora!
17:17 NCARMichael           That's what I've got so far...obviously it's wrong.
17:16 NCARMichael           http://paste.koha-community.org/61
17:09 NCARMichael           or perhaps add another extract (for 245a)?
17:08 NCARMichael           where can I put "biblio.title"?
17:06 NCARMichael           Now to add more columns to my results...title, for example.
17:05 NCARMichael           This very basic report should prove quite versatile, methinks.
17:04 gmcharlt              you're welcome
17:04 NCARMichael           Thanks Galen!
17:03 NCARMichael           beautiful!
17:02 pastebot              "gmcharlt" at 68.101.78.67 pasted "for NCARMichael" (5 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/60
16:54 NCARMichael           it's not working, but i think i'm on the right track
16:54 NCARMichael           http://paste.koha-community.org/59?tx=on&submit=Format+it!
16:50 NCARMichael           anyone?
16:50 NCARMichael           okay, more reports questions. :)
16:14 NCARMichael           thx
16:14 NCARMichael           i'll play around with this for awhile.  perhaps it will educate me in the reports dept.
16:13 NCARMichael           right, i was just reading that section.
16:12 cait                  http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library#Query_MARC
16:11 cait                  let em find it
16:11 NCARMichael           but not all fields have such a coding
16:11 cait                  you are loooking for something else
16:11 cait                  no
16:11 cait                  hm
16:11 NCARMichael           Sometimes there are codings for a field (items.itemcallnumber),
16:11 NCARMichael           I'm still trying to understand how SQL reports are structured.
16:09 NCARMichael           so far all i see are things like this: IF( LOCATE('<datafield tag="020"', (etc)
16:09 NCARMichael           yes, i've been scanning the reports library for clues.
16:07 wahanui               somebody said reports library was found at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library
16:07 cait                  reports library?
16:07 cait                  sql library?
16:07 cait                  how you can parse the marcxml field
16:07 cait                  there is a hint on the wiki
16:07 NCARMichael           How to display a particular marc field as a column in report results?
16:05 cait                  sekjal++
16:00 cait                  never seen that I think
16:00 cait                  um
16:00 slef                  hi cait. You can't remember what zebrasrv "exited with 1 status" means, can you?
16:00 cait                  hi #koha
15:58 slef                  no, I haven't. zebrasrv runs OK from command line now but not from daemon, "exited with 1 status"
15:56 slef                  aha, I think I've got it
15:56 slef                  hrm
15:56 slef                  yaz-client segfaulting on connect
15:56 slef                  then printing something which confuses the terminal
15:55 slef                  zebrasrv taking ages to start up
15:55 slef                  oh I've seen this before. I just don't remember where.
15:54 slef                  I liked a diveintomark/glynmoody tweet today
15:54 rhcl                  yea, I went off on that yesterday a little
15:54 slef                  ah, don't get me started on that
15:54 rhcl                  apparently as much as overdrive annoys me
15:54 slef                  because that matters to me
15:54 slef                  but that's why I work for who I do
15:54 slef                  it's unethical
15:53 slef                  seeing libraries weakened to advantage vendors
15:53 slef                  well, it bloody annoys me
15:53 slef                  ah, grumbling about libwebcats
15:53 rhcl                  correction koha-devel list
15:52 rhcl                  your most recent post to the koha list
15:52 schuster              druthb about?
15:51 * slef                is getting cross with daemon again
15:51 slef                  rhcl: what was that about anyway?
15:50 slef                  I do not own a barbie.
15:49 rhcl                  I think slef is master of the little barbs, and Nicole and Wizzyrea master of the big barbs.
15:36 magnuse               s/ ad / and /
15:36 magnuse               "ServerName koha" ad "ServerName <ip>" does not work, there is no fqdn yet, and i'm not responsible for setting it up
15:33 hdl                   ServerName has to be an fqdn iirc in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
15:32 hdl                   can't you create one ?
15:31 magnuse               hdl: but i don't have a name for it yet...
15:29 magnuse               i get "File does not exist: /etc/apache2/htdocs" in error.log even though koha is the only active site and the koha config file makes no mention of that location
15:29 hdl                   ServerName nameyouwant
15:29 hdl                   NameVirtualHost IP
15:28 magnuse               gmcharlt: alas, it does not ;-)
15:27 kf                    bye #koha .)
15:25 gmcharlt              magnuse: that works
15:24 magnuse               hm what should i set ServerName to in the apache config when i'm setting up an installation that only has an ip yet, and no domain name? the ip address?
15:20 Cybermon              hi all
15:19 sekjal                somewhere between 5000 and 20000 pages, I think
15:18 * magnuse             shudders at the mention of screen scraping...
15:17 hdl                   the 'koha' management of serials seq is quite efficient.... Or has been before we added that javascript on top.
15:16 sekjal                it involves screen scraping and XSLT
15:16 sekjal                the nightmare is compounded for me today; not only do I have to deal with MFHD, but I've got to do all kinds of crazy stuff to even GET the data in the first place
15:15 hdl                   and he is quite right
15:15 * oleonard            whispers to wahanui that MFHD = Muppets Favor Hairy Data
15:14 wahanui               hmmm... mfhd is MARC Format for Holdings Data
15:14 magnuse               mfhd?
15:14 magnuse               MFHD is MARC Format for Holdings Data
15:13 magnuse               ah yes
15:13 sekjal                not sure if there is a UNIMARC equivalent
15:13 sekjal                I think it's only MARC21
15:13 sekjal                MARC Format for Holdings Data
15:13 magnuse               mfhd?
15:12 sekjal                Evergreen has a few Perl modules that can handle the parsing of MFHD; I'd be interested in finding a way to import them into Koha
15:12 sekjal                I'm actually dealing with MFHD and serials holdings right now
15:11 sekjal                but Koha doesn't deal with MFHD at all at this time
15:11 NCARMichael           okay
15:11 sekjal                so you can search the MARC directly
15:11 sekjal                and if you're on MySQL 5.1 or greater, there is way to query the XML
15:11 reiveune              bye
15:11 sekjal                if it was in your incoming MARC records when you imported, you can look at biblioitems.marcxml
15:10 NCARMichael           oh
15:10 sekjal                NCARMichael: 866a isn't parsed into the Koha database
15:10 NCARMichael           maybe it's serials.holdings
15:08 NCARMichael           it's a serials report that i'm working on
15:08 NCARMichael           biblio.holdings didn't work
15:08 NCARMichael           I'm looking for the coding for the 866a field.
15:05 kf                    my questionmark was referring to your biblio.holdings comment
15:05 kf                    ah, riddle solved then
15:03 hdl                   kf: in fact we reused the replacement price to put material information ... And the total is still there.
15:01 wahanui               hdl is, like, sure that Croswalking records in zebra is also ram demanding
15:01 kf                    hdl?
15:00 hdl                   NCARMichael: biblio.holdings ??? are you looking for items ?
14:59 huginn`               New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6357] Items (un)availability not displayed correctly (OPAC) <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6357>
14:57 kf                    francharb: a counter for the number of cd's you should have lying around on the desk after all is checked in? :)
14:56 kf                    trying
14:56 kf                    tryting to sign-off on the acq things
14:56 kf                    yep
14:54 francharb             :)
14:54 magnuse               francharb: we hope so too ;-)
14:53 francharb             thanks all
14:53 francharb             we are working to get our branch integrated in the community branch. hope it will be done soon!!
14:52 francharb             ;)
14:52 francharb             but i guess not
14:52 francharb             hopefully
14:52 francharb             héhé
14:52 kf                    guessing wildly
14:51 kf                    perhaps something related to an rfid development?
14:51 kf                    the only lines with total we have is prive and charge
14:51 kf                    hm
14:51 francharb             ;)
14:51 francharb             and i dont know...
14:51 francharb             but sophie_m asked me why there is a total  row for this column
14:50 francharb             kf: i'm using it that way
14:50 francharb             too
14:50 francharb             kf: i think to
14:50 kf                    can you look at the source code?
14:50 francharb             kf: but i thought it was from the community branch
14:50 kf                    I would imagine it could be a column for ... "beilagen"... like a cd goes with that book
14:50 francharb             :/
14:50 francharb             so i dont know if everything is on the community branch...
14:49 kf                    2 reasons why we might not see it :(
14:49 francharb             kf: it's 3.06.00.029 but it's on biblibre branch
14:49 kf                    which version are you looking at francharb?
14:48 kf                    hehe
14:48 francharb             OMG
14:48 kf                    same here as owen
14:48 kf                    no
14:48 oleonard              The columns I have in 3.4.x: due date, title, item type, checked out on, call no., charge, price
14:48 francharb             see?
14:48 francharb             material
14:48 francharb             AND
14:47 francharb             charge
14:47 francharb             checked out on
14:47 francharb             brnach
14:47 francharb             item type
14:47 francharb             title
14:47 francharb             due date
14:47 francharb             ?
14:47 francharb             there are informations about what you check out, right
14:47 francharb             when you check out, oleonard
14:46 oleonard              francharb: Where do you see "material" ?
14:46 francharb             there is a total at the end of the column? what for?
14:46 francharb             is it meant to be mapped with items.material?
14:45 francharb             wooo, sorry for the broken english
14:45 francharb             is there anyone who know what  on circulation.pl "material" column is used for?
14:44 library_systems_guy   thanks :)
14:44 francharb             ;)
14:44 francharb             i really like your nickname
14:44 library_systems_guy   lol
14:44 library_systems_guy   NCARMichael, is looking for a more satisfactory answer than what i can provide
14:43 francharb             hey library_systems_guy
14:43 francharb             ?
14:43 library_systems_guy   hey francharb
14:43 francharb             how is it doing today
14:43 francharb             hey all
14:42 library_systems_guy   somebody else may be able to give you a better answer but you should be able to do a desc on the biblio table if you have access to your mysql database
14:41 NCARMichael           i'm guessing the one i'm looking for would likely be something like biblio.holdings
14:41 library_systems_guy   oh like the database schema
14:41 NCARMichael           (biblio.title, biblio.biblionumber, etc)
14:40 NCARMichael           is there a list somewhere of all the code words?
14:39 NCARMichael           question...i'm trying to get the 866a field(s) to show up as a column in a report.
14:37 library_systems_guy   hey NCARMichael
14:36 NCARMichael           hey gang
14:09 library_systems_guy   Hi reiveune
14:08 reiveune              hello
14:02 library_systems_guy   gotcha
14:02 oleonard              You could email it to the patches list as an attachment. And of course the patch should be attached to the bug report too
14:01 library_systems_guy   is there another way to submit a patch other than email?
14:01 library_systems_guy   yeah definitly not
14:00 oleonard              http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-patches/
14:00 library_systems_guy   dang...
13:59 oleonard              If a patch goes through it shows up on the patches mailing list
13:59 library_systems_guy   yes
13:59 oleonard              Do you mean check to see if a patch which you submitted went through?
13:59 library_systems_guy   oleonard, you commit a lot of stuff, is there anyway to check and see if my commit wen't through?  I think email isn't working on the server i sent it from
13:58 oleonard              Hi library_systems_guy
13:57 library_systems_guy   morning #Koha
13:50 druthb                danmc: I live in suburban Washington, DC, now, but used to live in east Texas.
13:49 * oleonard            hasn't touched his
13:49 paul_p                wow. Not for me :( (although tested only on biblibre/master. There may be a little difference. Or it's marc21/unimarc or some other parameter...)
13:49 oleonard              paul_p: I wonder if it could be a difference in zebra configurations?
13:48 oleonard              paul_p: Yes. Same result as with only one space.
13:48 danmc                 druthb:  what part of the world do you live in (I was reading your wandering looking for wood comment)
13:48 paul_p                do you mean that when you do a query with 2 words and 2 spaces between them, you get a result ?
13:47 paul_p                oleonard, yes, i'm here
13:46 huginn`               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6406 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , double space in query result in no result
13:46 oleonard              paul_p around? I can't reproduce bug 6406
13:24 kmkale                Namaste druthb :)
13:24 druthb                Namaste, kmkale.  :)
13:21 kmkale                Namaskar #koha
13:15 oleonard              git-bz++
13:15 * oleonard            gets git-bz set up on his work machine
13:11 druthb                this is actually much the same.
13:11 druthb                when my father was teaching me woodworking, he said, "if you're going to get the prettiest, most-figured grains, and the most beautiful results, you have to be ready to handle some wild wood."  (which, natch, gave me my love for wandering in the woods to find downed wild wood--as opposed to lumberyards.)
13:10 druthb                If this works out like I'm hoping, it's gonna be really nice.
13:10 * oleonard            threatens to instruct wahanui that druthb is a data-tamer and -shaver
13:10 oleonard              woolly_data--
13:08 druthb                yep.  Ears-deep in some really wild n wooly data from a custom catalog app.  Needed to get eyes off it for a moment, to solve a puzzle.
13:07 oleonard              Hi druthb. Just for a moment?
13:06 * druthb              peeks in for a moment.
12:08 NurAhammad            Hi everybody good afternoon
11:57 SpaceLibrarian_home   good evening #koha - I'll see you in a few. :)
11:21 rangi                 :)
11:21 magnuse               it would be cool to get them to go to nz - could maybe get them to look at koha in its native habitat at the same time... :-)
11:18 rangi                 cool
11:18 magnuse               rangi: i have passed on the link to puke ariki
11:18 magnuse               g'night Irma
11:18 Irma                  g'night #koha friends!
11:17 rangi                 its a good building too, big exhibition space
11:16 Irma                  magnuse: I will get back with a few suggestions before toooo long :-)
11:15 Irma                  interesting merge of museum and library
11:15 Irma                  Puke Ariki library information  		The  Library has a relationship with Shell who have provided much of the  information about the oil business.  Many of the children have parents  who work out on the rig.
11:14 rangi                 yes that is still a goal
11:13 magnuse               and we might support more then on db in the future...
11:12 magnuse               yeah, i guess that is a good point ;-)
11:12 rangi                 cos your db server might be a different server
11:12 rangi                 the server? nope
11:12 magnuse               hm, mysql is not installed as a dependency of koha-common?
11:10 magnuse               sweet as!
11:10 magnuse               way cool!
11:10 Irma                  My brother is an architect (and lives in Sydney) I will ask him and put the question to the members of the few ALIA e-lists I subscribe to
11:08 rangi                 http://www.pukeariki.com/VisitUs/VisitUs.aspx
11:08 magnuse               Irma: they havn't decided yet, they wanted tips before they plan where to go
11:08 Irma                  We held a Kete workshop there last year
11:08 Irma                  Or are you thinking of the new City of Sydney building in Surry Hills?
11:07 Irma                  hi rangi ... one in NZ?
11:07 Irma                  Where is the delegation going ... only Sydney? Other cities?
11:07 rangi                 i had one
11:07 rangi                 magnuse: oh yeah
11:07 Irma                  I Well there are some new library building but they are scattered in the various States and Territories.
11:06 magnuse               Irma: no worries! it was just a shot in the dark... :-)
11:06 Irma                  Sorry, really busy
11:06 Irma                  Hi magnuse! I should have answered your email by now ...
11:04 magnuse               kia ora Irma
10:57 rangi                 shaugh
10:51 kf                    hi slef :)
10:51 kf                    yengh?
10:47 slef                  yengh
10:30 magnuse               the finns have the coolest librarians - we better help them make a good decision :-)
10:26 huginn`               New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6406] double space in query result in no result <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6406>
10:23 kf                    thx :)
10:20 SpaceLibrarian_home   kf: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rugby_League_State_of_Origin
10:20 magnuse               cool message from finland on the devel-list!
10:19 magnuse               ah, sports...
10:19 SpaceLibrarian_home   It's a mad game of rugby league, played by two states in Australia
10:18 * kf                  nibbles some more on her cookie
10:18 * kf                  has no idea what rangi and SpaceLibrarian_home are talking about
10:08 SpaceLibrarian_home   At least my football team wins consistently. It all balances out in the end. :)
10:08 SpaceLibrarian_home   I've had five years to  get used to the feeling of losing
10:08 rangi                 yeah
10:08 SpaceLibrarian_home   I will be genuinely amazed and astounded if the Blues win
10:07 rangi                 but its a thankless task
10:07 rangi                 i usually cheer for the blues, cos they have the most maori in the team
10:07 rangi                 yep
10:06 SpaceLibrarian_home   my chances? For Origin?
10:06 rangi                 im not liking your chances SpaceLibrarian_home
10:00 * SpaceLibrarian_home hands out cookies
09:57 * kf                  shares with druthb
09:57 kf                    I got a cookie for you typo :)
09:56 * druthb              apparrently cannot type today, can she Katrin?
09:55 SpaceLibrarian_home   my pleasure. :)
09:55 kf                    thx SpaceLibrarian_home :)
09:55 kf                    yay!
09:55 * SpaceLibrarian_home gives kf a cookie
09:54 kf                    ;)
09:54 * kf                  feels ignored
09:54 SpaceLibrarian_home   :)
09:52 druthb                hi Shelley and Chris and Kaitlin.  *hugs all round*
09:52 kf                    hi druthb :)
09:49 rangi                 heya druthb
09:48 SpaceLibrarian_home   hey druthb
09:43 mib_sun               I have tried the cart too. but in this also price and other details is not coming. Shall I customize the fields displayed in the cart??
09:37 kf                    there are different views too
09:37 kf                    have you tried the opac cart?
09:37 kf                    in 3.4 there is more information
09:35 mib_sun               When I am creating a list only Title,Author, and Date Added is displaying. How can I display more details in alist??
09:33 mib_sun               what you mean by this card and lists functions??
09:31 mib_sun               for generating a report the person must have to know about the table fields. so it is very difficult for a librarian to generate the report
09:28 kf                    there are some possibilities, butnot from isbd
09:28 kf                    and you can use the card and lists functions to get different lists
09:27 kf                    there are also print options for single lists
09:27 kf                    you could make a report
09:23 mib_sun               is there any other option to take the print out??
09:21 mib_sun               <kf>: one more doubt .  how to take the  print out of  list of books and its details? only using 'Reports'?
09:16 SpaceLibrarian_home   hey kf :)
09:16 kf                    hi SpaceLibrarian_home
09:15 SpaceLibrarian_home   evening rangi
09:15 rangi                 hey SpaceLibrarian_home
09:12 mib_sun               thanks <kf>. i will try
09:10 kf                    you could try and experiment with the data formats you can export from koha
09:10 mib_sun               ok
09:09 mib_sun               :(
09:07 kf                    I don't think what you want to do is possible right now
09:06 kf                    ok
09:05 mib_sun               now only one book can view in ISBD view
09:05 mib_sun               I have to take the print out of list of books in ISBD view.
09:04 kf                    what do you need to do?
09:03 kf                    I am not sure if you can make it show the contents of 952 and when they will probably be not nicely formatted
09:03 kf                    have you tried editing the ibsdview?
09:01 mib_sun               hello.. is anyone there to help me..
08:42 mib_sun               is there any option to list the details of books in ISBD view? I have to take the print out of all the books in ISBD view.
08:40 mib_sun               hi koha
08:38 glernil               GTG!
08:31 rangi                 yay
08:30 eythian               two new green lights in my newborn Koha monitoring nagios configuration. That means it's time to go home.
08:26 eythian               awesome
08:25 glernil               wonderful... got it
08:23 eythian               then use that to create a staff account.
08:23 eythian               )
08:23 eythian               (in /etc/koha/sites/whatever/
08:23 eythian               glernil: to log in the first time, use the database credentials, which are near the bottom of the koha-conf.xml that was created
08:18 magnuse               bbl
08:17 glernil               by the way.. what's the default username and password...?
08:16 eythian               glernil: cool :) glad to help.
08:15 glernil               eythian: got to test this tomorrow. you're such a great help specially in situation (here in the Philippines) where help is nowhere but in this channel. ;)
08:11 magnuse               http://www.flickr.com/photos/enger/5757338711/in/photostream ;-)
08:11 eythian               glernil: awesome :)
08:11 glernil               eythian++
08:10 glernil               eythian: it worked! finally using 8080 as the intranet port
08:10 rangi                 oh newsletter is out
08:09 magnuse               i loose...
08:07 huginn`               rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 16.0�C (8:00 PM NZST on May 25, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Falling).
08:07 rangi                 @wunder wellington nz
08:01 huginn`               kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 18.0�C (10:00 AM CEST on May 25, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 29%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Pressure: 30.31 in 1026 hPa (Falling).
08:01 kf                    @wunder Konstanz
08:00 huginn`               magnuse: The current temperature in Alta Lufthavn, Norway is 10.0�C (9:50 AM CEST on May 25, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Pressure: 29.24 in 990 hPa (Steady).
08:00 magnuse               @wunder alf
07:50 eythian               you can, you'll need to add Listen 8080 to your ports.conf (I think it is in apache) and change the config in the intranet section of the site to be :8080
07:48 glernil               what if i will not be deploying it in production yet? can i set it to 8080?
07:47 eythian               it doesn't put it on 8080, it puts them both on :80, but with different server names, so you need your DNS or hosts set up so you can access it using the correct names.
07:43 glernil               eythian: it worked. in the localhost:80 perhaps.. but when i check localhost:8080 is says "unable to load page"
07:40 glernil               a read something about that in the apache docu... but i'll try to do it first
07:40 eythian               what do you mean?
07:40 eythian               (or maybe 000-default)
07:40 glernil               is it secure to do it that way?
07:39 eythian               sudo a2dissite default
07:39 eythian               oh
07:39 glernil               eythian: the default page.. It works!
07:39 eythian               and do you have your DNS set up properly?
07:39 eythian               glernil: what is there when you check it in the browser?
07:38 glernil               eythian: but there's no koha interface when i check it in the browser.. maybe its in the apache config
07:38 magnuse               alta is good - getting to talk to new people about koha
07:38 glernil               yet there's no koha interface when i check it in the browser
07:37 magnuse               hi kf
07:37 kf                    how is alta?
07:37 magnuse               ah ha
07:37 kf                    magnuse++
07:37 kf                    hi magnuse :)
07:37 magnuse               rangi: thanks! and that will install all the dependencies too?
07:37 rangi                 and then apt-get -f install if you need to pull in dependencies
07:37 eythian               glernil: sweet
07:37 rangi                 easiest way
07:37 rangi                 dpkg -i
07:36 magnuse               i built my first .deb with build-git-snapshot, what's the best way to install it? apt-get? dpkg? others?
07:36 glernil               got it!
07:36 wahanui               well, magnuse is afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza.
07:36 rangi                 heya magnuse
07:35 magnuse               kia ora, #koha
07:34 glernil               that's not on the list in the wiki.. i'll try
07:33 wahanui               yeah, that is probably cool - a way to enhance the OPAC without bloating Koha...
07:33 eythian               yeah, that
07:33 eythian               you didn't do 'sudo a2enmod rewrite'
07:33 rangi                 (or whatever the right command is)
07:33 rangi                 its probably you havent done a2enmod rewrite
07:33 glernil               invalid command 'RewriteEngine', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration
07:32 eythian               is there more to it than that?
07:32 glernil               syntax error line 69 of /etc/koha/apache-shared.conf
07:31 glernil               eythian: i created the .conf file and inserted basic site conf in ref. to the link you gave. But when i created a koha instance there is a syntax error
07:26 rangi                 ahh
07:25 Guillaume             Hi Rangi and everybody
07:25 paul_p                rangi, nope, working from home
07:25 paul_p                hi everybody.
07:25 sophie_m              hi rangi, hi #koha
07:25 rangi                 paul_p: not in the office today?
07:24 rangi                 hi Guillaume, sophie_m  and paul_p
07:22 kf                    thx rangi :)
07:21 rangi                 wb kf
07:20 kf                    hi #koha
07:06 hdl                   hi rangi
07:04 matts                 hello #koha !
07:03 julian                hello rangi
07:03 rangi                 hi julian and hdl and matts
06:35 cait                  hi francharb and clrh
06:33 rangi                 hi clrh
06:33 wahanui               hi, clrh
06:33 clrh                  hi
06:31 rangi                 hi francharb
06:30 francharb             hello all
06:25 eythian               I'd leave the DOMAIN blank if it's not going on the internet
06:25 eythian               http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.2_on_Debian_Squeeze#Quick_Start <-- it gives you an example here.
06:24 glernil               sorry.. i'm a noob.. so what should i put there?
06:22 eythian               you'll want to have an intrasuffix though, so when you set up DNS on your network the server knows what you're asking for.
06:21 glernil               got to try that...
06:21 eythian               I think you can leave the bulk of the fields blank.
06:21 glernil               aw... ok.. ;)
06:21 glernil               wat i mean the .conf part
06:21 eythian               oh, or a sites configuration
06:21 eythian               you can't skip having a database I'm afraid :)
06:20 glernil               oops.. i'll check my mysql first
06:20 glernil               i skipped that part since i can't understand what should be included there
06:20 eythian               you probably need to install mysql-server then
06:20 glernil               i got an error "awk: cannot open /etc/mysql/koha-common.cnf"
06:20 eythian               glernil: you don't have to put a whole lot in there really, but I think it complains if it's not there.
06:19 cait                  hi alex_a
06:19 cait                  I summoned you
06:19 eythian               glernil: yes, you do need to create it
06:19 eythian               oh
06:18 glernil               i tried to skip that part and go directly in issuing the command koha-create.. but with no luck...
06:18 alex_a                good morning !
06:17 eythian               cait: yes?
06:16 wahanui               i think eythian is in NZ. ;) or a good influence
06:16 cait                  eythian?
06:16 glernil               oops.. ok
06:16 cait                  I am sorry, I have no experience with the packages
06:16 glernil               do i have to create that file? even if the installation won't be live online?
06:15 glernil               yet i'm stucked in the koha-sites.conf
06:15 glernil               i downloaded and installed the package koha-common everything went fine
06:14 cait                  hi glernil
06:14 glernil               anyone here familiar in the installation procedure for debian squeeze?
06:04 glernil               hello
05:48 Brooke                tossing and turning time!
05:40 Brooke                0/
05:22 cait                  hi eythian :)
05:21 eythian               hiya
05:20 Oak                   :) hi
05:20 cait                  and hi Oak )
05:20 cait                  on time?
05:19 Oak                   ich liebe dich cait for being here on time. good.
05:16 Brooke                guten tag
05:15 cait                  morning #koha
05:15 cait                  hi Brooke
05:15 Brooke                0/
05:03 Oak                   catch'ya'll later! and poof! sure was a space librarian...
05:02 Space_Librarian       catch'ya'll later!
05:01 Oak                   hmm
05:00 * Oak                 googles 'nibbana'
05:00 Brooke                would that that were enough for nibbana
04:59 * Oak                 is enlightened
04:59 Oak                   ah
04:58 Brooke                good enough for government work is like passable.
04:57 Brooke                it's a localised expression that's been mangled for spelling
04:57 Brooke                won't find it
04:57 * Oak                 googles 'gummint woik'
04:56 Oak                   good
04:56 Brooke                you?
04:56 Brooke                good enough for gummint woik
04:56 Oak                   how are you today?
04:56 Oak                   \o/ Brooke !!!
04:55 Brooke                0/
04:12 Brooke                a yep
04:12 rangi                 schuster is down there too
04:11 Brooke                DFW got hammered.
04:11 * Brooke              crosses her fingers.
04:11 rangi                 not that i saw
03:33 Brooke                joy on earlier? she asked, hopefullly.
03:15 * Brooke              salutes rangi.
03:14 rangi                 hi Brooke
03:13 Space_Librarian       tena koe! :D
03:13 Brooke                kia ora!
03:03 glernil               ok.. i think i have to try that..
03:01 rangi                 making sure you install koha-common not just koha
03:01 rangi                 http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.2_on_Debian_Squeeze#Quick_Start
03:00 rangi                 http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Lucid_using_Koha_packages
03:00 rangi                 with
03:00 rangi                 http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.2_on_Debian_Squeeze
03:00 rangi                 you have to combine this
02:59 rangi                 but it does take a bit of knowing what you are doing
02:59 rangi                 yes
02:59 glernil               is it possible to use the common debian package in Ubuntu?
02:43 glernil               by the way.. i'm using ubuntu as my OS
02:42 rangi                 none at all
02:42 glernil               any idea?
02:42 rangi                 never seen those before
02:42 glernil               Unknown register type: d
02:42 glernil               Unknown register type: y
02:42 glernil               Unknown register type: n
02:42 glernil               Unknown register type: 0
02:42 glernil               there's another issue in my installation i want to clarify... when i rebuilt the index the following errors occurred>>>
02:41 rangi                 i use the koha-common debian package, cos it does the cron stuff for me
02:41 rangi                 cool
02:40 glernil               got to look on that.. but what i did was to reinstall the system and start all over again since it is easy to do cause i'm using virtualbox...
02:39 rangi                 there is a crontab.example file
02:39 rangi                 take a look in misc/cronjobs
02:39 glernil               nope not yet
02:30 rangi                 did you ever get your cronjob running?
02:30 rangi                 hey glernil
02:20 glernil               hello #koha
01:43 eythian               http://aggiesprite.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/rednekwine.jpg <-- mtj
00:58 jcamins_away          Never mind. I just discovered biblio.datecreated.
00:49 jcamins_away          Does anyone have time for some quick report help?
00:35 * oleonard            has to go read books to some bedtime kids now
00:35 oleonard              eythian++
00:35 wahanui               jcamins_away: de nada
00:35 jcamins_away          Thanks, wahanui.
00:35 wahanui               logs are at http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/
00:35 jcamins_away          logs?
00:35 oleonard              rangi++
00:34 rangi                 sweet
00:34 oleonard              Awesome
00:34 oleonard              So it does
00:34 oleonard              Does it work with chrome? Seems to be offering it as an option
00:33 oleonard              Thanks guys, that got it working
00:32 eythian               put in in /usr/(local/)bin
00:32 eythian               sbin is not usually in your path
00:32 rangi                 is /usr/local/sbin ?
00:32 rangi                 if you run
00:32 oleonard              Ah: usr/sbin is not listed
00:31 rangi                 echo $PATH
00:31 rangi                 i wonder if that isnt in your path
00:31 oleonard              lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 28 2011-05-24 20:17 /usr/sbin/git-bz -> /home/oleonard/git-bz/git-bz
00:30 rangi                 look like?
00:30 rangi                 ls -l /usr/sbin/git-bz
00:30 wahanui               rumour has it does is calculate the discount on this price or the tax is removed before to calculte the discount on the price before taxes
00:30 rangi                 what does
00:30 oleonard              Yes
00:30 rangi                 you did the symlink bit?
00:29 oleonard              git-bz: command not found
00:28 rangi                 how about git-bz ?
00:27 rangi                 i think a red herring
00:27 oleonard              Did the Python version turn out to be a red herring or do I need to be higher than 2.5.2?
00:26 oleonard              I'm getting "git: 'bz' is not a git-command.
00:26 rangi                 hopefully the log makes sense?
00:26 rangi                 sweet
00:26 oleonard              rangi: I'm just catching up on the git-bz lesson
00:25 pianohacker           bye, all
00:20 jcamins_away          Meh. Generally they're fine.
00:17 pianohacker           reports--
00:16 jcamins_away          If I can think coherently.
00:16 jcamins_away          I just have to write a few reports tonight.
00:16 jcamins_away          But tiring.
00:16 jcamins_away          Yes.
00:15 pianohacker           so convenient at least
00:13 jcamins_away          Thankfully here in the city.
00:13 jcamins_away          New Koha library.
00:13 pianohacker           who are you training?
00:13 pianohacker           ouch. teaching is work
00:12 jcamins_away          Again.
00:12 jcamins_away          Training this week.
00:11 pianohacker           why are you waving feebly, btw? sick?
00:11 pianohacker           dinner sounds really good
00:09 jcamins_away          Except for dinner.
00:08 jcamins_away          Basicallyl.
00:08 pianohacker           jcamins_away_actuallyhere_butnotreallywentoutfordinner_thenloggedinwithmyphonesobackagain
00:07 rangi                 tab completion fail
00:07 rangi                 yep
00:07 jcamins_away          Heh. I guess there are too many j{something}_away's, huh? ;)
00:07 rangi                 heya jcamins_away
00:07 rangi                 gah
00:06 rangi                 heya jwagner_away
00:05 * jcamins_away        waves feebly
00:05 pianohacker           hola, jcamins
00:01 * jcamins_away        peeks in to #koha