Time  Nick                Message
23:31 Space_Librarian     evening sekjal
23:30 sekjal              good evening, #koha
21:57 rhcl                bye
21:56 wizzyrea            bbl friends :)
21:01 rhcl                http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_blog/2011/05/the-future-of-the-library.html
20:43 joethoks            quake is the one with all the splats and blooches
20:30 cait                have a nice evening :)
20:30 cait                and it's evil
20:30 cait                it blocks another sign-off
20:29 cait                k
20:29 * oleonard          shall return.
20:29 oleonard            I can look at it tomorrow. I have to leave now.
20:28 cait                weird
20:28 cait                and I can't save it saying that I have not chosen an item
20:28 cait                and the item level hold option shows up but the table seems to be very broken
20:27 huginn`             04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6347 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, NEW , Bug in opac-reserve.pl stopping item level holds
20:27 cait                bug 6347
20:27 cait                I am looking at 6347
20:27 oleonard            Yes
20:27 cait                oleonard: still around?
20:27 cait                hmpf
20:26 wizzyrea            hold found "beep boop beep!"
20:26 wizzyrea            check in "bloop!"
20:26 wizzyrea            check out "bleep!"
20:25 wizzyrea            erm, extraterrestrial aliens, that is.
20:25 wizzyrea            shooting the bejesus out of aliens seems appealing right now
20:25 cait                pong?
20:24 oleonard            quake isn't 8-bit, but I'm all for it
20:24 joethoks            quake?
20:18 * wizzyrea          giggles
20:18 * oleonard          decides to replace all of Koha's audio cues with sound effects from 8-bit video games
20:14 wizzyrea            heh
20:13 joethoks            oh and hello
20:13 joethoks            sue the bastards
20:08 larryb              .part
19:53 * cait              wonders if this was a rangi ghost
19:53 cait                ?
19:51 * rangi             wanders off to breakfast
19:50 rangi               yay finally
19:47 cait                one bug signed off... where is the next
19:44 cait                oleonard++
19:44 cait                fixing_things++
19:42 oleonard            And by "improved" I mean "not broken."
19:42 cait                :)
19:42 oleonard            ^ new and improved.
19:41 huginn`             New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6309] subscription table sorter in the opac <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6309>
19:27 cait                sweet dreams magnuse
19:23 magnuse             g'night #koha
19:17 huginn`             New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6346] Patron search results should be valigned top <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6346>
18:54 wizzyrea            hi hankbank :)
17:43 huginn`             New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6375] Markup and style corrections for overdue report <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6375>
17:16 vfernandes          bye people :)
17:15 conan               gotta run, bye
17:12 conan               hdl++
17:12 * conan             sees beautiful code @ biblibre
17:10 sekjal              perhaps 'is greater than 1'?
17:10 oleonard            The bigger problem is that all the stuff on the signoff list is *hard*
17:09 oleonard            Yeah, it didn't change the number of results
17:09 sekjal              perhaps as a regex to match digits?
17:09 sekjal              oh, phooey, nevermind.... doesnt' work like that
17:08 sekjal              though I think it may be the OPPOSITE of what I was after.... hmmm
17:08 sekjal              and got some results instead of an error
17:08 sekjal              did this search: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?list_id=6033&field0-0-0=dependson&query_format=advanced&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&type0-0-0=equals
17:08 sekjal              yes, I believe so
17:08 oleonard            sekjal: Oh, a blank will work?
17:07 cait                you want to get rid of those that are blocked by something else, right?
17:07 sekjal              oleonard:  under Custom Search in advanced search, you can match on 'depends on' 'is equal to' and then a blank
17:07 cait                have you looked at the advanced options?
17:07 * oleonard          would like to filter out such bugs from the "needs signoff" report
17:06 cait                oleonard: never tried it sorry
17:06 conan               cait: scratch taht
17:05 oleonard            Anyone know how get a list of bugs which *don't* have a dependency?
17:05 conan               only the local copies
17:05 conan               the url from sekjal is not there
17:05 cait                yep
17:05 conan               cait: you mean this one ? http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Public_Git_Repositories
17:02 cait                conan: was talking about the wiki.koha-community.org
17:01 conan               cait: I was checking this one: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/
16:59 cait                conan: there is a page on the wiki with the urls of the public repos
16:58 * conan             is cloning...
16:57 sekjal              not sure if the Koha site repo is synced to the biblibre.com repo, or how often
16:57 sekjal              found at: git://git.biblibre.com/koha_biblibre.git
16:57 conan               sekjal: hum... and the copy is updated?
16:57 conan               but I can't find what hdl told me is there
16:57 sekjal              conan:  that's the copy of their repo on the Koha git site.  they have their own repo, as well
16:56 conan               I added it, I fetched, and then I checked out some branch from biblibre
16:56 conan               or is in some other place?
16:56 conan               Am I really getting the biblibre repo?
16:55 conan               by doing: git remote add biblibre git://git.koha-community.org/wip/koha-biblibre.git
16:54 oleonard            saying_fuck_you_to_the_community--
16:53 oleonard            Liblime--
16:53 oleonard            PTFS--
16:50 * cait              wondered too
16:49 oleonard            Who's playing version numbering games wizzyrea ?
16:45 wizzyrea            aha
16:45 rhcl                When we run tools->export (export.pl), we need the ability to pull multiple items from the itemtype, 'cause we have both books and magazines in the same db, with magazines identified by itemtype magazine, and when we do an OCLC pull we need to get everything but magazines
16:45 huginn`             04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3125 normal, P3, ---, oleonard, NEW , IE7: Selected columns list in Reports Dictionary is not showing column names.
16:45 * oleonard          is reminded of Bug 3125
16:43 wizzyrea            just curious what's it for?
16:43 rhcl                'k. It's settled then.
16:42 oleonard            Yeah, selecting a bunch of things and then losing your selection is a pain
16:42 rhcl                but if the other method is preferable....
16:41 rhcl                my inclination is to do shift or control-click, cause the code is easier :)
16:41 wizzyrea            i personally prefer moving them, less chance for error
16:41 cait                our new ticket syste, I like it, but perhaps owen is right
16:40 oleonard            Notices is another place that does multiselect
16:40 cait                redmine does the shift click thing
16:40 cait                does second I think
16:40 oleonard            rhcl: I don't think you can reasonably ask many users to "shift-click"
16:40 rhcl                aogle: I just asked what the best method for multiselect is
16:40 cait                guided reports?
16:39 wizzyrea            2nd has more occurrences
16:39 rhcl                If we wanted to create a menu item in Koha with multiselect, what is the current best practices--to use a shift-click for multiple items in the menu, or to have two fields, one listing all possible options with highlighting of items and moving them to the next field?
16:33 wizzyrea            the dog = the problem whatever he's chasing = the solution, for example
16:32 jwagner             Yes, I've often dreamed about programming problems, and woke up with a solution in mind.  Useful talent :-)
16:32 wizzyrea            mine are always in metaphors
16:32 cait                weird dreams, like walking in labyrinths
16:31 cait                when I have a programming problem I can't solve I always dream about it
16:31 wizzyrea            i bet you've solved lots of problems that way :)
16:31 jwagner             Kind of neutral.  I've also been known to dream in Perl.  My sleeping brain is a much better linguist than my awake brain.
16:30 cait                speaks right from my heart
16:30 wizzyrea            OH Yes. :)
16:30 cait                your tweet
16:30 cait                was it nice or more a nightmare?
16:30 wizzyrea            ?!
16:30 cait                hehe
16:30 cait                wizzyrea++
16:30 jwagner             (sort of)
16:30 jwagner             und Ich verstehe
16:30 jwagner             Sure sounded like it!
16:29 cait                and you are sure it was German? :)
16:29 jwagner             cait, I was dreaming in German last night, and I have no idea why.  I even understood it!
16:27 cait                hi jwagner :)
16:27 jwagner             hi cait
16:26 cait                hi #koha
16:15 oleonard            http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-patches/2010-December/013315.html
16:12 sekjal              oleonard:  I'm only seeing reference to it in some of the translated system preference files.
16:05 sekjal              sounds like some kind of deprecated feature... checking git.k-c
15:45 oleonard            Local Use OPACviewMARC preference?
15:44 oleonard            I'm confused by the mail on the Koha list, "MARC view in OPAC won't switch off"
15:36 huginn`             04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6374 normal, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW , Use "size" as names/hash keys leads to an unexpected results when using Template::Toolkit (name of a virtual method there)
15:36 oleonard            Bug 6374 was a good catch
15:30 * conan             checks biblibre repo...
15:30 sekjal              hdl1:  me, too
15:30 hdl1                (what you said you wanted to do)
15:30 hdl1                conan: C4/Circulation.pm, network limitations
15:30 hdl1                sekjal: I would be quite interested to see the indian work on acquisitions
15:30 conan               after my talk to druthb
15:30 conan               hdl1: I mean your comment: 10:28:27                hdl1 | conan: it is done in biblibre git repository
15:29 sekjal              so I'm going to try mapping vouchernumber to aqorders.purchaseordernumber
15:29 hdl1                o k
15:29 sekjal              invoice corresponds to the bill, and voucher (I think) to the payment
15:29 sekjal              hdl1:  no, there is also an invoice number in the incoming data
15:28 hdl1                the voucher number ? you mean invoice number ?
15:27 hdl1                C4/Circulation.pm, network limitations
15:27 conan               hdl1: I just read your comment, what's done in biblibre repo?
15:24 sekjal              hmmm, I was thinking of putting the voucher number into the aqorderdelivery table, but if it's not used anywhere, there wouldn't be much point
15:23 Brooke              five guys is callin' mah name again.
15:22 hdl1                this is why we dropped that.
15:22 sekjal              it's only used in reports/acquisitions-stats.pl
15:22 hdl1                i think so.... At least i have never seen that used on our instances...
15:22 hdl1                was refering to wizzyrea and nicomo
15:21 hdl1                oopps
15:21 hdl1                missing him too.
15:21 sekjal              hdl1: is aqorderdelivery deprecated?
15:17 jwagner             Update .csv files should only include the fields that you want to update.
15:17 wizzyrea            that is a good thing to know
15:17 * wizzyrea          checks her rear for grass
15:16 jwagner             Too late.  If you leave columns in place, and there's no data in them, and you're matching existing patrons, it wipes those fields
15:16 wizzyrea            perhaps that doesn't translate so well into text >.>
15:16 wizzyrea            hmm
15:16 wizzyrea            that's a new one
15:16 Brooke              gracias
15:16 wizzyrea            lol, grassy ass?
15:16 Brooke              ha
15:16 NCARMichael         ttyl. grassy ass.
15:15 NCARMichael         i'll try a sample and see if it works.
15:15 NCARMichael         okay
15:15 wizzyrea            leave em
15:15 NCARMichael         and can i delete columns that i'm not using? or should i just leave em there.
15:14 NCARMichael         okay, cool.
15:14 wizzyrea            there you have it ;)
15:14 jwagner             Yes, userid is the OPAC login.  Also the staff login if it's a staff account.
15:12 wizzyrea            one mo
15:12 wizzyrea            I think so, I'd have to check though
15:12 NCARMichael         "userID" perhaps?
15:11 NCARMichael         trying to figure out which one is OPAC Login.
15:11 NCARMichael         i've got the xls file open here (CSV file with all the columns)
15:11 NCARMichael         hi wiz
15:10 wizzyrea            hi NCARMichael
15:10 NCARMichael         topic of today's inquiry: patron batch upload
15:10 NCARMichael         hi peeps
15:09 wizzyrea            rather, no value seems to be a valid value, thus it's always filled in even if it's not
15:08 wizzyrea            but it doesn't seem to stick
15:08 wizzyrea            I tried editing the frameworks with the ccode subfield mandatory
15:08 wizzyrea            )
15:08 wizzyrea            how can you make a field in the add items page mandatory (such as "collection code"
15:08 wizzyrea            hmm
15:03 Oak                 :)
15:02 * Brooke            blushes.
15:02 Oak                 Brooke !!! how are you? still awesome?
15:02 Brooke              0/
15:02 Oak                 \o
14:58 huginn`             New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6373] The mandatory fields validation popup doesn't appear in IE8 <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6373>
14:47 library_systems_guy bye kf
14:47 kf                  ok, bye all :)
14:43 wizzyrea            tho*
14:43 wizzyrea            i hear he's doing well hto
14:43 wizzyrea            ah nicomo, I miss that guy
14:43 library_systems_guy thanks kf
14:43 library_systems_guy i haven't seen that
14:43 wizzyrea            that is <reply>
14:43 wahanui             wizzyrea: I forgot that
14:43 wizzyrea            forget that
14:43 wahanui             I haven't seen 'that', kf
14:43 kf                  library_systems_guy: seen that? http://www.slideshare.net/nicomo/sopac-koha-et-drupal-at-elag09
14:42 library_systems_guy yeah that is what i have been reading for pointers
14:42 wizzyrea            http://thesocialopac.net/
14:42 wizzyrea            forget the forum bit :P
14:42 wizzyrea            er
14:42 wizzyrea            http://thesocialopac.net/forum/16
14:42 wizzyrea            i believe sopac was originally developed by Darien
14:42 library_systems_guy but darien library looks very drupal-ish
14:41 library_systems_guy lol well maybe im mistaken about the US bit
14:41 kf                  ignor eme
14:41 kf                  ah, in the us
14:41 wizzyrea            darienlibrary?
14:41 kf                  I remember something with f
14:40 kf                  hm
14:40 library_systems_guy does anybody know what that library is?
14:40 library_systems_guy so i was talking to hdl last night and it reminded me that during nengards training session she mentioned a library in the US that had implemented Drupal and Koha with SOPAC
14:38 Brooke              0/
14:38 library_systems_guy aww man
14:38 wizzyrea            hi oleonard
14:38 wizzyrea            travelling ;)
14:38 library_systems_guy where has nengard been lately
14:20 wizzyrea            as in "things look like they're progressing, but I really have no timeline"
14:20 wizzyrea            that's a pretty big maybe
14:19 adnc                that would be great
14:19 wizzyrea            maybe later today
14:19 wizzyrea            but perhaps not quite yet
14:19 wizzyrea            adnc: I sense that the release of the 3.4 packages is imminent
14:19 adnc                but not 3.4
14:18 adnc                i see 3.2.9 is available
14:18 jwagner             hi
14:18 hdl1                jwagner: hi
14:17 wizzyrea            but work is commencing
14:17 wizzyrea            well I don't know about available
14:17 adnc                nice
14:17 adnc                ohh so it is available
14:17 huginn`             04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6361 enhancement, P5, ---, robin, ASSIGNED , Packages need support for the 3.4 upgrade
14:17 wizzyrea            yea, bug 6361
14:16 * wizzyrea          checks
14:16 wizzyrea            I believe the commit for that just came through to open that up
14:16 adnc                wizzyrea thanks ;)
14:16 adnc                does someone know if koha 3.4 is available with debian packages meanwhile?
14:16 wizzyrea            nice find
14:16 wizzyrea            oo, good one
14:16 paul_p              I really love this commit : https://github.com/liblime/LibLime-Koha/commit/80cccbd027a950152114a69e233f913e08e204a5 :(((((((
14:16 wizzyrea            adnc, he's sleeping
14:16 jwagner             wizzyrea, one of my sites has pointed me to an add-on for Chrome that lets it handle RSS feeds: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/nlbjncdgjeocebhnmkbbbdekmmmcbfjd
14:16 adnc                rangi ping!
14:13 hdl1                vfernandes: nope...
14:12 vfernandes          batch edit of biblios is not something trivial to do...
14:05 wizzyrea            hdl: I remember
14:04 hdl1                wizzyrea: vfernandes : we proposed to the community batch edit of biblios
14:04 Brooke              bonjour!
14:04 Brooke              :D
14:04 hdl1                hi Brooke
14:02 Brooke              0/
14:01 magnuse             oh well, not gonna waste energy on that
14:01 magnuse             it ain't hip to be square...
14:00 sekjal              "Based on the ground-breaking 3.0 platform"
14:00 magnuse             and the-website-that-shall-not-be-mentioned has finally been completely butchered...
14:00 magnuse             yeah
14:00 wizzyrea            cheeky, even. And not in a cute way.
13:59 magnuse             Brooke: hehe
13:59 Brooke              deleting contribs = very fresh, indeed.
13:59 wizzyrea            yep
13:59 vfernandes          batch edit biblio would be a nice add to Koha :)
13:59 wizzyrea            quite fresh
13:59 magnuse             LibLime Koha 4.2 eh? did i miss that or is it really fresh?
13:58 vfernandes          i know that edit items it's possible...
13:58 wizzyrea            batch edit biblio? not yet. batch edit items? Yep
13:54 vfernandes          one little thing: Koha allows multi-edition of biblio records? change one field in all records?
13:54 magnuse             hi vfernandes
13:53 vfernandes          hi Koha community
13:53 * wizzyrea          looks at the last 3 years, wonders what she's been working on.
13:53 * Brooke            gets on back to beadin'.
13:53 gmcharlt            Brooke: apropos of?
13:52 * Brooke            laughs behind her hand.
13:52 Brooke              menfolk
13:52 Brooke              teee hee
13:51 gmcharlt            https://github.com/liblime/LibLime-Koha/commit/80cccbd027a950152114a69e233f913e08e204a5
13:25 hdl1                hope that helps. enjoy
13:25 hdl1                conan: it is done in biblibre git repository
13:20 wizzyrea            i like chrome, but sometimes it's lacking in (what I consider) basic functionality, such as "sanely handling rss feeds"
13:18 jwagner             Yeah, just found another site & tested.  Oh, well.  Thanks.
13:17 wizzyrea            yea, afaik it's every rss feed
13:17 hdl1                conan: I hope the water is not too cool
13:17 jwagner             Do you know if Chrome has problems with RSS from other sites?  Not sure where to test that offhand.
13:15 jwagner             Nah....
13:15 wizzyrea            I suppose we could hassle the chrome people about it :)
13:15 wizzyrea            right, um... I don't think so because we're really waiting on chrome to get it's act together in that regard
13:14 jwagner             that's what I was thinking.  Worth a bug report?  I doubt there's anything that can be done on the Koha end, but I know little/nothing about RSS in the first place
13:13 wizzyrea            i.e. firefox knows what to do with RSS feeds, chrome is not so smart
13:13 wizzyrea            but I think that's chrome, not koha
13:13 jwagner             I don't see anything in bugzilla referencing Chrome -- not sure if anyone has run into it before
13:13 wizzyrea            ya, it's mildly annoying.
13:13 jwagner             Morning all.  Has anyone tried RSS feeds in Chrome?  Unlike Firefox or IE, it doesn't ask you for a reader or subscription info, it just displays the feed immediately to the screen.
13:12 * wizzyrea          teases
13:12 wizzyrea            better get your hipwaders on ;)
13:12 Brooke              <3
13:12 * conan             dives into Circulation.pm code
13:11 conan               hi Brooke
13:11 wizzyrea            hi brooke :)
13:11 conan               some homemade
13:11 Brooke              0/
13:11 wizzyrea            ah
13:11 conan               wizzyrea: a bunch, I don't know them all yet
13:10 wizzyrea            what system are you coming from?
13:09 conan               (and then run away :P )
13:09 conan               so nobody can checkout 4 items x 18 libraries = 72 items
13:09 conan               so that's why we need a grand total maximum
13:08 conan               well maybe I put it complex, but in fact it's easy: we want to allow same quantity of books from each library, but we don't want an user to loan the maximum from all of them (there are 18 libraries currently, and they work as single system)
13:08 wizzyrea            bye!
13:07 * druthb            waves, and hits the door.
13:07 huginn`             wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
13:07 wizzyrea            @quote get 123
13:07 druthb              thanx.  With that much complexity outside the system (in the librarian's head), then you're not going to have it easy *inside* the system, either.
13:07 conan               I think I'll try to modify function TooMany
13:06 conan               tough you didn't give me good news :P
13:06 conan               druthb++
13:02 druthb              default_borrower_circ_rules primarily sets the maxima for a library--you use it to say, for library Y, a patron of category X may have no more than Z total items."
13:01 druthb              Build complex categories, or add a whole heap of complex code to the circ map, or convince libraries to simplify their circ rules.  (I've done the latter, more than once, but have done some of the first one, too)
13:01 conan               what about default_borrower_circ_rules? are they only used if I don't have anything defined previously?
13:01 conan               crap!
13:01 druthb              yep.  It's not going to be *easy*, any way you go at it.
13:00 druthb              Each patron will still have a branchcode, just as each item will still have a homebranch.  But one or the other of those branch codes is *not* going to be a factor in the circ map, as currently coded.   By making the categories monolithic, you work around it without adding the complexity into the circ map.
13:00 conan               hum... that will add complexity, I will need to set a different category for each same kind of patron to differentiate library they belong to
12:58 druthb              They will belong to a library, sure.  but all of the patrons in category X need to belong to the *same* library.
12:58 conan               my patrons need to belong to a library
12:58 druthb              You can easily say that "patron of category X can borrow no more than Z items from library Y", if you've got patron categories set up for that.
12:58 conan               impossible
12:57 druthb              No, I'm telling you that "is from library X" is either a patron thing, or an item thing, in the circ rules, depending on CircControl, but both is not in there.  There are workarounds--if you make sure that all patron categories are filled with people from a single library, then you could set CircControl to items, and get it to do what you want.
12:56 conan               I'm not sure I'm following you, are you telling me that this cannot be done the way koha works currently?
12:55 * druthb            normally sets CircControl to item library, in her installations, since setting it to patron library breaks minds a lot.
12:54 druthb              CircControl lets you do one or the other, but not both.
12:54 druthb              yes, but then you don't have "the item is from..."
12:54 conan               select ... where categorycode = ? and itemtype = ? and branchcode = ?
12:53 conan               the check for an issuing rules is like this:
12:52 conan               druthb: hum... if you choose PatronLibrary for CircControl then you get branch from patron to check
12:51 conan               one rule to check for a grand total
12:51 conan               so I need normal circulation rules plus...
12:51 druthb              conan:  the biggest part of what you want that is foreign to Koha is "the patron is from..."  As I said yesterday (was it yesterday?), the circ map doesn't know or care about that.  Once you get that in there, both in issuingrules and in default_borrower_circ_rules, then what you want should be doable.
12:50 conan               yeah, the 123 quote! that's easy to remember
12:50 conan               but I never reach them because we need to establish the rules for every library, and so, Circulation->GetIssuingRule  always matches something
12:49 conan               I thought I could implement that by using default_borrower_circ_rules
12:48 conan               but if patron is from libA and item is from libB, AND patron already checked out 4 items from libA, he can only take 3 items from libB, for a total of 7 items
12:47 conan               if patron is from libA and item is from libB, patron can take 4 items
12:47 huginn`             druthb: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
12:47 druthb              @quote get 123
12:47 wahanui             i already had it that way, huginn`.
12:47 huginn`             druthb: 1 found: #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad..."
12:47 druthb              @quote search scheme
12:47 conan               (I'm simplfying the item part, assuming is the same)
12:46 conan               if patron is from library A and item is from library A, patron can take 4 items
12:46 conan               what we need here is this schema:
12:45 conan               and now I know I cannot use it without source modification, unless I'm completely wrong, of course
12:45 conan               I think I have finally grasped the circulation rules inner working
12:44 conan               how what's that cite about mad library schemes?
12:17 matts               np, good luck :)
12:17 kmkale              sure. And thanks matts
12:17 matts               anyhow, I'd be glad to hear back from you on that subject
12:17 kmkale              :) always
12:16 matts               but finding a spec sheet would be better, imho
12:16 matts               yes, such a thing is possible
12:16 kmkale              there are enough example clients around which I can hack
12:15 kmkale              Ok. I will attempt too write a generic client and catch the POST and then see whats inside. by looping over the params. ( If such a thing is possible )
12:15 matts               And I had a quick look on the internet to find out, but couldn't find any usefull info
12:14 kmkale              ohh..
12:13 matts               But I don't know what's the name of the parameter to look for to, nor the content it's supposed to have
12:13 matts               hmm, i guess it's the same : $query->param('myparam');
12:08 kmkale              humph. How do I generally catch a POST request in opac-user.pl? as separate from the usual GET once we get in the query parameter?
12:07 matts               kmkale, problem is i don't know what's in that logout post...
12:04 kmkale              If you can tell me how to catch the POST in opac-user.pl, I can attempt to hack it from there
12:04 matts               And unfortunately, i've got no time right now to enhance the CAS feature
12:03 matts               http://esup-casgeneric.sourceforge.net/index.html
12:03 matts               yeah, but i used esup cas server
12:01 kmkale              matts: there is a additional configuration to be done for single sign out as shown in https://wiki.jasig.org/display/CASC/Configuring+Single+Sign+Out
12:00 kf                  hi druthb and conan
11:57 conan               good morning all
11:56 druthb              hi, kf. :)
11:56 kf                  hi #koha
11:55 matts               the trick is that the CAS server i used when coding CAS authentication does not seem to support single-sign-out...
11:46 kmkale              been looking at both files. Can't figure out how to catch the POST and the security assertion it contains. :(
11:44 matts               hmm, my first guess would be to tweak opac-user.pl to catch that post, then modify C4/Auth_with_cas.pm to disconnect the user when such a POST is caught.
11:40 kmkale              Is it possible to handle the POST in opac-user.pl and logout the user? If yes how?
11:39 kmkale              since Koha's logout url is different e.g. /cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl?logout.x=1
11:39 matts               yeah, you're probably right, i don't remember implementing such thing
11:38 kmkale              but it seems this POST is not handled in Koha
11:38 kmkale              CAS server calls the service url registered with the ticket e.g.  "POST /cgi-bin/koha/opac-user.pl HTTP/1.1" 200 8537 "-" "Java/1.5.0_22"
11:38 matts               hmmm, let me check
11:37 kmkale              yup
11:37 kmkale              but if I log out of CAS I don't get loggged out of Koha
11:37 kmkale              when I log out of Koha, I get logged out of CAS too
11:36 kmkale              Yes that works fine
11:36 matts               oh, it's the opposite you want, i see
11:36 matts               there's a syspref that disconnect from the whole CAS authentication if you disconnect from koha...
11:36 kmkale              When a user signs out of CAS s/he is not signed out of Koha
11:36 matts               ok
11:35 kmkale              But can't get the single sign out working
11:35 kmkale              I have CAS + Koha single sign on working
11:35 kmkale              hi matts
11:35 wahanui             privet, wizzyrea
11:35 wizzyrea            hi
11:33 matts               what is your problem exactly ?
11:33 matts               hello kmkale
10:54 kmkale              ouch!!
10:53 huginn`             kmkale: matts was last seen in #koha 4 weeks, 3 days, 3 hours, 51 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <matts> hello #koha
10:53 kmkale              @seen matts
10:53 kmkale              matts around?
10:38 kmkale              please hdl1 much appreciated if he can chat and give me a few tips
10:37 kmkale              need help
10:37 kmkale              but I am having trouble with single sign out
10:37 kmkale              I have got CAS auth and SSO working
10:37 hdl1                I will ask him to answer you
10:37 hdl1                did
10:36 hdl1                kmkale: yes he ded
10:36 kmkale              matts: did you work on CAS auth code?
10:30 kmkale              :)
10:28 * druthb            waves to kmkale
10:26 kmkale              hi hdl1
10:26 kmkale              hi druthb
10:11 druthb              hi, hdl1. :)
10:06 hdl1                hi druthb
10:05 druthb              o/
09:29 magnuse             good night eythian :-)
09:12 eythian             now I can go home.
09:12 eythian             3.4 master packages published into squeeze-devfor anyone who wants to give the new bits a test run.
08:02 eythian             it's not the rebuild that's doing that, it's the items thing
08:01 eythian             oh wait...
08:01 magnuse             wow, that sounds weird
08:01 eythian             I'm surprised I haven't seen that before.
08:01 eythian             and it still gave an XML dump.
08:01 eythian             well that's odd, I get the same error when doing it with usmarc. Though, it didn't seem to cause it to die.
08:00 eythian             hehe, full agreement from me there
07:59 magnuse             #marcmustdie
07:59 magnuse             worth a try
07:59 eythian             Going to try it again using usmarc instead of XML
07:58 eythian             yeah
07:58 magnuse             and it looks like empty indicators shouldn't be a problem
07:57 magnuse             yeah
07:57 eythian             but, it has indicators...
07:57 eythian             yeah
07:57 magnuse             weird that the error is " must have indicators" if the subfields are the problem?
07:55 eythian             I wonder if it's unhappy about having no subfields (which is a legitimate issue I guess.)
07:55 eythian             </datafield>
07:55 eythian             <datafield tag="111" ind1="2" ind2=" ">
07:55 eythian             where 111 is
07:55 eythian             problem with :36093 : Field 111 must have indicators (use ' ' for empty indicators) at /usr/share/perl5/MARC/File/SAX.pm line 92
07:55 eythian             hmm, curious error in a zebra rebuild:
07:52 magnuse             :-)
07:52 eythian             (although, I'd have to study up on how translations work first)
07:51 eythian             but at the least I'd like to have it building the ones that are in git.
07:51 magnuse             yeah, updates might be a problem...
07:51 magnuse             ooh, sounds like a good idea, for sure!
07:50 eythian             I'm not quite sure how to handle merging that with updates though.
07:50 eythian             My thinking was that there could be a set of standard translations that come from git like normal and become packages. Then perhaps a script that alters them for local changes or something.
07:49 magnuse             cool
07:49 magnuse             without requiring a new package for every iteration of a translation?
07:49 eythian             there's no reason to not be able to do both.
07:49 magnuse             could it be possible to build on the translate script, so you had a command that installed new translations?
07:48 magnuse             seems to me that makes it hard to update translations...
07:48 eythian             yeah
07:48 magnuse             so one package per language?
07:45 eythian             I think it's just a matter of generating the translations during the build process, and writing them into their own package.
07:44 huginn`             New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 4513] Resetting framework to Default seems impossible <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4513>
07:44 magnuse             thanks ;-)
07:44 eythian             so wise :)
07:43 magnuse             hehe, skip the first one and go straight to the second, then...
07:42 eythian             I don't think it would be terribly difficult. Doing the first one would be hard, but the rest would be copy-paste.
07:40 magnuse             do you know if it will be hard to do?
07:40 eythian             I really need to get this finished tonight as tomorrow I just realised I'm going to be away for most of the day helping out at a career expo.
07:40 magnuse             :-)
07:40 eythian             yeah, same here if I had lots of spare time :)
07:39 magnuse             if i had lots of cash lying around i would have been happy to fund that...
07:38 magnuse             that would be sooo cool
07:38 eythian             yeah, I really want to make language packs, so you can install koha-translations-no for example.
07:38 magnuse             i cant wait to have a go at creating packages that has norwegian tranlsations
07:37 eythian             hoping to get the patches out, and a build against master in the -dev repo for people to try out.
07:37 magnuse             nice
07:37 eythian             and when you install it, it tells you that you should run that if you're upgrading.
07:36 magnuse             cool
07:36 eythian             among other things, it adds /usr/sbin/koha-upgrade-to-3.4 which does the items removing stuff.
07:35 eythian             so I'll make them for 3.4.1 when it's out, all going well.
07:35 eythian             at the moment they apply against both master and 3.4.x
07:34 magnuse             3.4 or 3.4.1?
07:34 magnuse             yay!
07:34 eythian             packages for 3.4 are coming together.
07:23 huginn`             New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6365] Missing information about tab number when mandatory fields unfilled <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6365>
07:06 magnuse             bonjour biblibre
06:38 cait                thx ;)
06:37 eythian             you too ;)
06:37 cait                have a nice evening eythian
06:37 cait                but it works now, so all is ok :)
06:37 cait                this laptop is really old, probably something in the hardware ubuntu is not too happy about?
06:36 eythian             no, that's not so normal
06:36 cait                time for work
06:36 cait                ok
06:36 cait                know it's not what normally should happen
06:35 cait                last 2 times I updated I ended up on command line with a blinking grub>
06:35 cait                hehe
06:35 eythian             awesome :)
06:35 cait                laptop survived updating this time
06:35 cait                yay :)
06:31 mib_cdt             ok thanks cait
06:30 cait                bbl
06:30 cait                ok, restarting to find out if the updates killed that grub thing again
06:28 cait                better hide them or even better create your own frameworks
06:27 cait                and don't delete fields from the default frameworks
06:27 cait                look for 'managed in tab'
06:27 cait                http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-2-manual/?ch=x4488#marcbibframeworks
06:26 wahanui             cait: that doesn't look right
06:26 cait                change the tab value in the subfields definition
06:25 mib_cdt             cait: how can I put them all in one tag?
06:25 cait                ok, I give up
06:25 wahanui             cait, I didn't have anything matching change the values
06:25 cait                wahanui: forget change the values
06:25 eythian             I think you need to use the name for operations like that.
06:24 cait                forget cait:?
06:24 eythian             I think it's a module
06:24 wahanui             cait: that doesn't look right
06:24 cait                forget change the values
06:24 eythian             how odd
06:24 wahanui             cait: that doesn't look right
06:24 cait                change the values
06:23 wahanui             eythian: what?
06:23 eythian             wahanui: yes
06:23 wahanui             eythian: i'm not following you...
06:23 eythian             wahanui: literal yes
06:22 cait                tab
06:22 cait                you can put them all on one tag
06:22 cait                in the bibliographic frameworks is also defined on which tab a field shows up
06:21 cait                sorry, talking to wahanui
06:21 cait                forget yes
06:21 wahanui             cait: that doesn't look right
06:21 cait                change the tab values
06:21 cait                yes
06:11 mib_cdt             Can I set up all these fields in a single pages?
06:11 mib_cdt             but all those are scattered in 9 tabs. It is difficult for entering data by selecting each tag.
06:09 mib_cdt             I have created a new marc framework by deleting the fields not necessary for my library.
06:06 mib_cdt             but I dont want all the fields in default framework. can I set the marc entry fields in a single page?
06:04 cait                and check the manual
06:04 cait                ah :)
06:03 wahanui             i think manual is at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation
06:03 cait                manual?
06:03 cait                koha manual?
06:03 cait                mib_cdt: look ad administration > bibliographic marc frameworks
06:01 mib_cdt             how can I customize the 'Add MARC Record' form in koha?
06:01 kmkale              hi cait :)
06:00 cait                hi kmkale :)
05:48 mib_cdt             hi koha#
05:00 cait                hi eythian
05:00 eythian             hi cait
04:57 cait                :)
04:57 Space_Librarian     morning cait!
04:57 cait                good morning #koha
04:47 huginn`             New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6371] Item Types description not properly displayed if not pure ASCII <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6371>
04:02 mtj                 heya, ah - no probs
04:01 Space_Librarian     don't think wizzyrea is up yet...
03:59 eythian             rangi is away
03:56 mtj                 wizzyrea or rangi about for a quick Q?
03:51 kmkale_             ok. time to head for office. bbl..
03:50 kmkale_             :)
03:50 eythian             cool
03:50 huginn`             kmkale_: Quote #19: "<chris> i just want to yell things like don't kick the ball, pass it and Feed the backs" (added by jdavidb at 12:11 PM, July 27, 2009)
03:50 kmkale_             @quote random
03:49 kmkale_             eythian: in case you need it here is the link http://kohacon11.vpmthane.org/ocs/index.php/k/k11
03:43 eythian             sure will
03:43 kmkale              could you please spread the word?
03:43 eythian             Also, Irma and I are speaking/facilitating a 2 day koha workshop there (which preceeds a 3-day open source conference)
03:42 kmkale              :) so sorry for you ;)
03:42 eythian             kmkale: yeah, I have to spend 5 days in a beach resort in Malaysia for it. It'll be terrible.
03:41 kmkale              eythian: I do. Are you involved in that?
03:30 eythian             in case you want to tell even more people
03:30 eythian             kmkale: there's a koha workshop coming up in Malaysia, too
03:27 kmkale              Hi AmitG
03:27 kmkale              yeah. Dropped a mail to organizers of the Mizoram workshop and also Savitra requesting them to inform participants about Kohacon11 and encourage them to attend :)
03:16 kmkale              heh!!
03:15 wahanui             i heard plan was to modify web installer to translate templates during the installation process
03:15 kmkale              what plan?
03:15 Space_Librarian     :)
03:14 Brooke              right time to heal
03:14 * Brooke            loves it when a plan comes together
03:12 kmkale              yup. and thanks. Will write to them today to pass on the news about Kohacon to participants. Must see if indradg is involved in this workshop. He may be able to help.
03:10 Space_Librarian     well there's some good news for you then. :)
03:10 kmkale              Space_Librarian: been away for a few weeks on business. Not upto date on Koha news :(
03:10 Space_Librarian     and June, not July, sorry...
03:09 Space_Librarian     I wasn't sure if you knew about it...
03:09 kmkale              fantastic to see Koha reach :)
03:09 kmkale              ohh. That is great because its in Mizoram!!
03:08 Space_Librarian     kmkale: http://koha-community.org/koha-workshop-mizoram-university/
03:07 * Brooke            is shocked SHOCKED that there is gambling here.
03:07 kmkale              It must be the paid training OSS is conducting
03:07 Brooke              but who would do such a thing?!
03:07 Space_Librarian     that quote has changed...
03:06 Space_Librarian     hang on. i'll find the link. it's in India
03:06 kmkale              yeah wahanui you got that one right!!
03:06 Brooke              ha bot's on a roll!
03:06 wahanui             Space_Librarian is a Koha poet or the sweetest lil lady you'll ever know
03:06 kmkale              where Space_Librarian ?
03:06 Space_Librarian     that's a good place to promo
03:06 Space_Librarian     I see there's a KOha workshop in July too
03:06 Brooke              egggsellent.
03:05 * kmkale            is getting some time off starting this weekend. Going to go after Koha people for papers and sponsors :)
03:04 kmkale              :)
03:04 Brooke              no doubt.
03:04 Brooke              Aphrodisias will prolly be a pita to get to, but surely, SURELY someone will see me and take pity on me ;)
03:04 kmkale              I found turkish women to be more butiful than Europeans ;)
03:03 Brooke              >:)
03:03 Space_Librarian     Brooke: very envious
03:03 Brooke              manuscripts even
03:03 Brooke              Kay would shoot me if I didn't see that and some of the rare manuscipts
03:03 Brooke              of course
03:02 kmkale              heh gr8 idea Brooke do see the dimonds in the sultans palace in Istanbul while u r at it
03:02 Space_Librarian     our national library conference is on at the same time in the same city. Not precisely that easy.
03:01 kmkale              Space_Librarian: go for it whtacha waiting for?
03:01 Brooke              so I can stop at Aphrodisias and Troy.
03:01 Brooke              but I wanna see if I can sweet talk them into letting me stay over a few days
03:01 Space_Librarian     I have to convince my director to send me to India.
03:01 kmkale              on?
03:01 Brooke              I'm _prolly_ flying Turkish Air
03:01 Brooke              I wanna do a wee bit more research
03:01 Brooke              not yet
03:01 kmkale              :)
03:01 Brooke              it's like saying that Blazing Saddles is historical
03:01 kmkale              Brooke: flight booked?
03:00 Brooke              of *course* it is
03:00 kmkale              heh!! but the movie is pure BS!!!
03:00 Brooke              he'd totally keynote for KohaCon ;)
03:00 * Brooke            nods like a simpleton.
03:00 kmkale              Brooke: The one with with Shaharukh ?
02:59 * Brooke            watched Asoka today.
02:59 Brooke              Namaskar
02:59 pianohacker         hi brook, kmkale
02:59 kmkale              Namaste Brooke
02:59 pianohacker         must reduce my bribe payments
02:59 Brooke              hehehe
02:59 pianohacker         that dang thing
02:59 kmkale              Namaste pianohacker
02:59 wahanui             it has been said that pianohacker is our favorite boy genius or the genius who gave us our awesome ajax pref panel
02:59 Space_Librarian     hey pianohacker
02:59 pianohacker         hi
02:58 Space_Librarian     I know, I know...
02:58 kmkale              Earlier you book, cheaper it is ;)
02:57 Space_Librarian     I wish. Still need to have my abstract in and be confirmed to speak before that can happen... :)
02:56 kmkale              India flight booked Space_Librarian ?
02:55 Space_Librarian     np :)
02:55 kmkale              aah thanks shelly
02:53 Space_Librarian     he's away until Tuesday
02:52 kmkale              ping rangi
02:38 Brooke              0/
02:38 kmkale              Namaste Space_Librarian :)
02:37 Space_Librarian     namaste kmkale
02:37 kmkale              Namaskar #koha