Time Nick Message 02:37 kmkale Namaskar #koha 02:37 Space_Librarian namaste kmkale 02:38 kmkale Namaste Space_Librarian :) 02:38 Brooke 0/ 02:52 kmkale ping rangi 02:53 Space_Librarian he's away until Tuesday 02:55 kmkale aah thanks shelly 02:55 Space_Librarian np :) 02:56 kmkale India flight booked Space_Librarian ? 02:57 Space_Librarian I wish. Still need to have my abstract in and be confirmed to speak before that can happen... :) 02:58 kmkale Earlier you book, cheaper it is ;) 02:58 Space_Librarian I know, I know... 02:59 pianohacker hi 02:59 Space_Librarian hey pianohacker 02:59 wahanui it has been said that pianohacker is our favorite boy genius or the genius who gave us our awesome ajax pref panel 02:59 kmkale Namaste pianohacker 02:59 pianohacker that dang thing 02:59 Brooke hehehe 02:59 pianohacker must reduce my bribe payments 02:59 kmkale Namaste Brooke 02:59 pianohacker hi brook, kmkale 02:59 Brooke Namaskar 02:59 * Brooke watched Asoka today. 03:00 kmkale Brooke: The one with with Shaharukh ? 03:00 * Brooke nods like a simpleton. 03:00 Brooke he'd totally keynote for KohaCon ;) 03:00 kmkale heh!! but the movie is pure BS!!! 03:00 Brooke of *course* it is 03:01 kmkale Brooke: flight booked? 03:01 Brooke it's like saying that Blazing Saddles is historical 03:01 kmkale :) 03:01 Brooke not yet 03:01 Brooke I wanna do a wee bit more research 03:01 Brooke I'm _prolly_ flying Turkish Air 03:01 kmkale on? 03:01 Space_Librarian I have to convince my director to send me to India. 03:01 Brooke but I wanna see if I can sweet talk them into letting me stay over a few days 03:01 Brooke so I can stop at Aphrodisias and Troy. 03:01 kmkale Space_Librarian: go for it whtacha waiting for? 03:02 Space_Librarian our national library conference is on at the same time in the same city. Not precisely that easy. 03:02 kmkale heh gr8 idea Brooke do see the dimonds in the sultans palace in Istanbul while u r at it 03:03 Brooke of course 03:03 Brooke Kay would shoot me if I didn't see that and some of the rare manuscipts 03:03 Brooke manuscripts even 03:03 Space_Librarian Brooke: very envious 03:03 Brooke >:) 03:04 kmkale I found turkish women to be more butiful than Europeans ;) 03:04 Brooke Aphrodisias will prolly be a pita to get to, but surely, SURELY someone will see me and take pity on me ;) 03:04 Brooke no doubt. 03:04 kmkale :) 03:05 * kmkale is getting some time off starting this weekend. Going to go after Koha people for papers and sponsors :) 03:06 Brooke egggsellent. 03:06 Space_Librarian I see there's a KOha workshop in July too 03:06 Space_Librarian that's a good place to promo 03:06 kmkale where Space_Librarian ? 03:06 wahanui Space_Librarian is a Koha poet or the sweetest lil lady you'll ever know 03:06 Brooke ha bot's on a roll! 03:06 kmkale yeah wahanui you got that one right!! 03:06 Space_Librarian hang on. i'll find the link. it's in India 03:07 Space_Librarian that quote has changed... 03:07 Brooke but who would do such a thing?! 03:07 kmkale It must be the paid training OSS is conducting 03:07 * Brooke is shocked SHOCKED that there is gambling here. 03:08 Space_Librarian kmkale: http://koha-community.org/koha-workshop-mizoram-university/ 03:09 kmkale ohh. That is great because its in Mizoram!! 03:09 kmkale fantastic to see Koha reach :) 03:09 Space_Librarian I wasn't sure if you knew about it... 03:10 Space_Librarian and June, not July, sorry... 03:10 kmkale Space_Librarian: been away for a few weeks on business. Not upto date on Koha news :( 03:10 Space_Librarian well there's some good news for you then. :) 03:12 kmkale yup. and thanks. Will write to them today to pass on the news about Kohacon to participants. Must see if indradg is involved in this workshop. He may be able to help. 03:14 * Brooke loves it when a plan comes together 03:14 Brooke right time to heal 03:15 Space_Librarian :) 03:15 kmkale what plan? 03:15 wahanui i heard plan was to modify web installer to translate templates during the installation process 03:16 kmkale heh!! 03:27 kmkale yeah. Dropped a mail to organizers of the Mizoram workshop and also Savitra requesting them to inform participants about Kohacon11 and encourage them to attend :) 03:27 kmkale Hi AmitG 03:30 eythian kmkale: there's a koha workshop coming up in Malaysia, too 03:30 eythian in case you want to tell even more people 03:41 kmkale eythian: I do. Are you involved in that? 03:42 eythian kmkale: yeah, I have to spend 5 days in a beach resort in Malaysia for it. It'll be terrible. 03:42 kmkale :) so sorry for you ;) 03:43 eythian Also, Irma and I are speaking/facilitating a 2 day koha workshop there (which preceeds a 3-day open source conference) 03:43 kmkale could you please spread the word? 03:43 eythian sure will 03:49 kmkale_ eythian: in case you need it here is the link http://kohacon11.vpmthane.org/ocs/index.php/k/k11 03:50 kmkale_ @quote random 03:50 huginn` kmkale_: Quote #19: "<chris> i just want to yell things like don't kick the ball, pass it and Feed the backs" (added by jdavidb at 12:11 PM, July 27, 2009) 03:50 eythian cool 03:50 kmkale_ :) 03:51 kmkale_ ok. time to head for office. bbl.. 03:56 mtj wizzyrea or rangi about for a quick Q? 03:59 eythian rangi is away 04:01 Space_Librarian don't think wizzyrea is up yet... 04:02 mtj heya, ah - no probs 04:47 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6371] Item Types description not properly displayed if not pure ASCII <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6371> 04:57 cait good morning #koha 04:57 Space_Librarian morning cait! 04:57 cait :) 05:00 eythian hi cait 05:00 cait hi eythian 05:48 mib_cdt hi koha# 06:00 cait hi kmkale :) 06:01 kmkale hi cait :) 06:01 mib_cdt how can I customize the 'Add MARC Record' form in koha? 06:03 cait mib_cdt: look ad administration > bibliographic marc frameworks 06:03 cait koha manual? 06:03 cait manual? 06:03 wahanui i think manual is at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation 06:04 cait ah :) 06:04 cait and check the manual 06:06 mib_cdt but I dont want all the fields in default framework. can I set the marc entry fields in a single page? 06:09 mib_cdt I have created a new marc framework by deleting the fields not necessary for my library. 06:11 mib_cdt but all those are scattered in 9 tabs. It is difficult for entering data by selecting each tag. 06:11 mib_cdt Can I set up all these fields in a single pages? 06:21 cait yes 06:21 cait change the tab values 06:21 wahanui cait: that doesn't look right 06:21 cait forget yes 06:21 cait sorry, talking to wahanui 06:22 cait in the bibliographic frameworks is also defined on which tab a field shows up 06:22 cait you can put them all on one tag 06:22 cait tab 06:23 eythian wahanui: literal yes 06:23 wahanui eythian: i'm not following you... 06:23 eythian wahanui: yes 06:23 wahanui eythian: what? 06:24 cait change the values 06:24 wahanui cait: that doesn't look right 06:24 eythian how odd 06:24 cait forget change the values 06:24 wahanui cait: that doesn't look right 06:24 eythian I think it's a module 06:24 cait forget cait:? 06:25 eythian I think you need to use the name for operations like that. 06:25 cait wahanui: forget change the values 06:25 wahanui cait, I didn't have anything matching change the values 06:25 cait ok, I give up 06:25 mib_cdt cait: how can I put them all in one tag? 06:26 cait change the tab value in the subfields definition 06:26 wahanui cait: that doesn't look right 06:27 cait http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-2-manual/?ch=x4488#marcbibframeworks 06:27 cait look for 'managed in tab' 06:27 cait and don't delete fields from the default frameworks 06:28 cait better hide them or even better create your own frameworks 06:30 cait ok, restarting to find out if the updates killed that grub thing again 06:30 cait bbl 06:31 mib_cdt ok thanks cait 06:35 cait yay :) 06:35 cait laptop survived updating this time 06:35 eythian awesome :) 06:35 cait hehe 06:35 cait last 2 times I updated I ended up on command line with a blinking grub> 06:36 cait know it's not what normally should happen 06:36 cait ok 06:36 cait time for work 06:36 eythian no, that's not so normal 06:37 cait this laptop is really old, probably something in the hardware ubuntu is not too happy about? 06:37 cait but it works now, so all is ok :) 06:37 cait have a nice evening eythian 06:37 eythian you too ;) 06:38 cait thx ;) 07:06 magnuse bonjour biblibre 07:23 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6365] Missing information about tab number when mandatory fields unfilled <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6365> 07:34 eythian packages for 3.4 are coming together. 07:34 magnuse yay! 07:34 magnuse 3.4 or 3.4.1? 07:35 eythian at the moment they apply against both master and 3.4.x 07:35 eythian so I'll make them for 3.4.1 when it's out, all going well. 07:36 eythian among other things, it adds /usr/sbin/koha-upgrade-to-3.4 which does the items removing stuff. 07:36 magnuse cool 07:37 eythian and when you install it, it tells you that you should run that if you're upgrading. 07:37 magnuse nice 07:37 eythian hoping to get the patches out, and a build against master in the -dev repo for people to try out. 07:38 magnuse i cant wait to have a go at creating packages that has norwegian tranlsations 07:38 eythian yeah, I really want to make language packs, so you can install koha-translations-no for example. 07:38 magnuse that would be sooo cool 07:39 magnuse if i had lots of cash lying around i would have been happy to fund that... 07:40 eythian yeah, same here if I had lots of spare time :) 07:40 magnuse :-) 07:40 eythian I really need to get this finished tonight as tomorrow I just realised I'm going to be away for most of the day helping out at a career expo. 07:40 magnuse do you know if it will be hard to do? 07:42 eythian I don't think it would be terribly difficult. Doing the first one would be hard, but the rest would be copy-paste. 07:43 magnuse hehe, skip the first one and go straight to the second, then... 07:44 eythian so wise :) 07:44 magnuse thanks ;-) 07:44 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 4513] Resetting framework to Default seems impossible <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4513> 07:45 eythian I think it's just a matter of generating the translations during the build process, and writing them into their own package. 07:48 magnuse so one package per language? 07:48 eythian yeah 07:48 magnuse seems to me that makes it hard to update translations... 07:49 magnuse could it be possible to build on the translate script, so you had a command that installed new translations? 07:49 eythian there's no reason to not be able to do both. 07:49 magnuse without requiring a new package for every iteration of a translation? 07:49 magnuse cool 07:50 eythian My thinking was that there could be a set of standard translations that come from git like normal and become packages. Then perhaps a script that alters them for local changes or something. 07:50 eythian I'm not quite sure how to handle merging that with updates though. 07:51 magnuse ooh, sounds like a good idea, for sure! 07:51 magnuse yeah, updates might be a problem... 07:51 eythian but at the least I'd like to have it building the ones that are in git. 07:52 eythian (although, I'd have to study up on how translations work first) 07:52 magnuse :-) 07:55 eythian hmm, curious error in a zebra rebuild: 07:55 eythian problem with :36093 : Field 111 must have indicators (use ' ' for empty indicators) at /usr/share/perl5/MARC/File/SAX.pm line 92 07:55 eythian where 111 is 07:55 eythian <datafield tag="111" ind1="2" ind2=" "> 07:55 eythian </datafield> 07:55 eythian I wonder if it's unhappy about having no subfields (which is a legitimate issue I guess.) 07:57 magnuse weird that the error is " must have indicators" if the subfields are the problem? 07:57 eythian yeah 07:57 eythian but, it has indicators... 07:57 magnuse yeah 07:58 magnuse and it looks like empty indicators shouldn't be a problem 07:58 eythian yeah 07:59 eythian Going to try it again using usmarc instead of XML 07:59 magnuse worth a try 07:59 magnuse #marcmustdie 08:00 eythian hehe, full agreement from me there 08:01 eythian well that's odd, I get the same error when doing it with usmarc. Though, it didn't seem to cause it to die. 08:01 eythian and it still gave an XML dump. 08:01 eythian I'm surprised I haven't seen that before. 08:01 magnuse wow, that sounds weird 08:01 eythian oh wait... 08:02 eythian it's not the rebuild that's doing that, it's the items thing 09:12 eythian 3.4 master packages published into squeeze-devfor anyone who wants to give the new bits a test run. 09:12 eythian now I can go home. 09:29 magnuse good night eythian :-) 10:05 druthb o/ 10:06 hdl1 hi druthb 10:11 druthb hi, hdl1. :) 10:26 kmkale hi druthb 10:26 kmkale hi hdl1 10:28 * druthb waves to kmkale 10:30 kmkale :) 10:36 kmkale matts: did you work on CAS auth code? 10:36 hdl1 kmkale: yes he ded 10:37 hdl1 did 10:37 hdl1 I will ask him to answer you 10:37 kmkale I have got CAS auth and SSO working 10:37 kmkale but I am having trouble with single sign out 10:37 kmkale need help 10:38 kmkale please hdl1 much appreciated if he can chat and give me a few tips 10:53 kmkale matts around? 10:53 kmkale @seen matts 10:53 huginn` kmkale: matts was last seen in #koha 4 weeks, 3 days, 3 hours, 51 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <matts> hello #koha 10:54 kmkale ouch!! 11:33 matts hello kmkale 11:33 matts what is your problem exactly ? 11:35 wizzyrea hi 11:35 wahanui privet, wizzyrea 11:35 kmkale hi matts 11:35 kmkale I have CAS + Koha single sign on working 11:35 kmkale But can't get the single sign out working 11:36 matts ok 11:36 kmkale When a user signs out of CAS s/he is not signed out of Koha 11:36 matts there's a syspref that disconnect from the whole CAS authentication if you disconnect from koha... 11:36 matts oh, it's the opposite you want, i see 11:36 kmkale Yes that works fine 11:37 kmkale when I log out of Koha, I get logged out of CAS too 11:37 kmkale but if I log out of CAS I don't get loggged out of Koha 11:37 kmkale yup 11:38 matts hmmm, let me check 11:38 kmkale CAS server calls the service url registered with the ticket e.g. "POST /cgi-bin/koha/opac-user.pl HTTP/1.1" 200 8537 "-" "Java/1.5.0_22" 11:38 kmkale but it seems this POST is not handled in Koha 11:39 matts yeah, you're probably right, i don't remember implementing such thing 11:39 kmkale since Koha's logout url is different e.g. /cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl?logout.x=1 11:40 kmkale Is it possible to handle the POST in opac-user.pl and logout the user? If yes how? 11:44 matts hmm, my first guess would be to tweak opac-user.pl to catch that post, then modify C4/Auth_with_cas.pm to disconnect the user when such a POST is caught. 11:46 kmkale been looking at both files. Can't figure out how to catch the POST and the security assertion it contains. :( 11:55 matts the trick is that the CAS server i used when coding CAS authentication does not seem to support single-sign-out... 11:56 kf hi #koha 11:56 druthb hi, kf. :) 11:57 conan good morning all 12:00 kf hi druthb and conan 12:01 kmkale matts: there is a additional configuration to be done for single sign out as shown in https://wiki.jasig.org/display/CASC/Configuring+Single+Sign+Out 12:03 matts yeah, but i used esup cas server 12:03 matts http://esup-casgeneric.sourceforge.net/index.html 12:04 matts And unfortunately, i've got no time right now to enhance the CAS feature 12:04 kmkale If you can tell me how to catch the POST in opac-user.pl, I can attempt to hack it from there 12:07 matts kmkale, problem is i don't know what's in that logout post... 12:08 kmkale humph. How do I generally catch a POST request in opac-user.pl? as separate from the usual GET once we get in the query parameter? 12:13 matts hmm, i guess it's the same : $query->param('myparam'); 12:13 matts But I don't know what's the name of the parameter to look for to, nor the content it's supposed to have 12:14 kmkale ohh.. 12:15 matts And I had a quick look on the internet to find out, but couldn't find any usefull info 12:15 kmkale Ok. I will attempt too write a generic client and catch the POST and then see whats inside. by looping over the params. ( If such a thing is possible ) 12:16 kmkale there are enough example clients around which I can hack 12:16 matts yes, such a thing is possible 12:16 matts but finding a spec sheet would be better, imho 12:17 kmkale :) always 12:17 matts anyhow, I'd be glad to hear back from you on that subject 12:17 kmkale sure. And thanks matts 12:17 matts np, good luck :) 12:44 conan how what's that cite about mad library schemes? 12:45 conan I think I have finally grasped the circulation rules inner working 12:45 conan and now I know I cannot use it without source modification, unless I'm completely wrong, of course 12:46 conan what we need here is this schema: 12:46 conan if patron is from library A and item is from library A, patron can take 4 items 12:47 conan (I'm simplfying the item part, assuming is the same) 12:47 druthb @quote search scheme 12:47 huginn` druthb: 1 found: #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad..." 12:47 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn`. 12:47 druthb @quote get 123 12:47 huginn` druthb: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) 12:47 conan if patron is from libA and item is from libB, patron can take 4 items 12:48 conan but if patron is from libA and item is from libB, AND patron already checked out 4 items from libA, he can only take 3 items from libB, for a total of 7 items 12:49 conan I thought I could implement that by using default_borrower_circ_rules 12:50 conan but I never reach them because we need to establish the rules for every library, and so, Circulation->GetIssuingRule always matches something 12:50 conan yeah, the 123 quote! that's easy to remember 12:51 druthb conan: the biggest part of what you want that is foreign to Koha is "the patron is from..." As I said yesterday (was it yesterday?), the circ map doesn't know or care about that. Once you get that in there, both in issuingrules and in default_borrower_circ_rules, then what you want should be doable. 12:51 conan so I need normal circulation rules plus... 12:51 conan one rule to check for a grand total 12:52 conan druthb: hum... if you choose PatronLibrary for CircControl then you get branch from patron to check 12:53 conan the check for an issuing rules is like this: 12:54 conan select ... where categorycode = ? and itemtype = ? and branchcode = ? 12:54 druthb yes, but then you don't have "the item is from..." 12:54 druthb CircControl lets you do one or the other, but not both. 12:55 * druthb normally sets CircControl to item library, in her installations, since setting it to patron library breaks minds a lot. 12:56 conan I'm not sure I'm following you, are you telling me that this cannot be done the way koha works currently? 12:57 druthb No, I'm telling you that "is from library X" is either a patron thing, or an item thing, in the circ rules, depending on CircControl, but both is not in there. There are workarounds--if you make sure that all patron categories are filled with people from a single library, then you could set CircControl to items, and get it to do what you want. 12:58 conan impossible 12:58 druthb You can easily say that "patron of category X can borrow no more than Z items from library Y", if you've got patron categories set up for that. 12:58 conan my patrons need to belong to a library 12:58 druthb They will belong to a library, sure. but all of the patrons in category X need to belong to the *same* library. 13:00 conan hum... that will add complexity, I will need to set a different category for each same kind of patron to differentiate library they belong to 13:00 druthb Each patron will still have a branchcode, just as each item will still have a homebranch. But one or the other of those branch codes is *not* going to be a factor in the circ map, as currently coded. By making the categories monolithic, you work around it without adding the complexity into the circ map. 13:01 druthb yep. It's not going to be *easy*, any way you go at it. 13:01 conan crap! 13:01 conan what about default_borrower_circ_rules? are they only used if I don't have anything defined previously? 13:01 druthb Build complex categories, or add a whole heap of complex code to the circ map, or convince libraries to simplify their circ rules. (I've done the latter, more than once, but have done some of the first one, too) 13:02 druthb default_borrower_circ_rules primarily sets the maxima for a library--you use it to say, for library Y, a patron of category X may have no more than Z total items." 13:06 conan druthb++ 13:06 conan tough you didn't give me good news :P 13:07 conan I think I'll try to modify function TooMany 13:07 druthb thanx. With that much complexity outside the system (in the librarian's head), then you're not going to have it easy *inside* the system, either. 13:07 wizzyrea @quote get 123 13:07 huginn` wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) 13:07 * druthb waves, and hits the door. 13:08 wizzyrea bye! 13:08 conan well maybe I put it complex, but in fact it's easy: we want to allow same quantity of books from each library, but we don't want an user to loan the maximum from all of them (there are 18 libraries currently, and they work as single system) 13:09 conan so that's why we need a grand total maximum 13:09 conan so nobody can checkout 4 items x 18 libraries = 72 items 13:09 conan (and then run away :P ) 13:10 wizzyrea what system are you coming from? 13:11 conan wizzyrea: a bunch, I don't know them all yet 13:11 wizzyrea ah 13:11 Brooke 0/ 13:11 conan some homemade 13:11 wizzyrea hi brooke :) 13:11 conan hi Brooke 13:12 * conan dives into Circulation.pm code 13:12 Brooke <3 13:12 wizzyrea better get your hipwaders on ;) 13:12 * wizzyrea teases 13:13 jwagner Morning all. Has anyone tried RSS feeds in Chrome? Unlike Firefox or IE, it doesn't ask you for a reader or subscription info, it just displays the feed immediately to the screen. 13:13 wizzyrea ya, it's mildly annoying. 13:13 jwagner I don't see anything in bugzilla referencing Chrome -- not sure if anyone has run into it before 13:13 wizzyrea but I think that's chrome, not koha 13:13 wizzyrea i.e. firefox knows what to do with RSS feeds, chrome is not so smart 13:14 jwagner that's what I was thinking. Worth a bug report? I doubt there's anything that can be done on the Koha end, but I know little/nothing about RSS in the first place 13:15 wizzyrea right, um... I don't think so because we're really waiting on chrome to get it's act together in that regard 13:15 wizzyrea I suppose we could hassle the chrome people about it :) 13:15 jwagner Nah.... 13:17 jwagner Do you know if Chrome has problems with RSS from other sites? Not sure where to test that offhand. 13:17 hdl1 conan: I hope the water is not too cool 13:17 wizzyrea yea, afaik it's every rss feed 13:18 jwagner Yeah, just found another site & tested. Oh, well. Thanks. 13:20 wizzyrea i like chrome, but sometimes it's lacking in (what I consider) basic functionality, such as "sanely handling rss feeds" 13:25 hdl1 conan: it is done in biblibre git repository 13:25 hdl1 hope that helps. enjoy 13:51 gmcharlt https://github.com/liblime/LibLime-Koha/commit/80cccbd027a950152114a69e233f913e08e204a5 13:52 Brooke teee hee 13:52 Brooke menfolk 13:52 * Brooke laughs behind her hand. 13:53 gmcharlt Brooke: apropos of? 13:53 * Brooke gets on back to beadin'. 13:53 * wizzyrea looks at the last 3 years, wonders what she's been working on. 13:53 vfernandes hi Koha community 13:54 magnuse hi vfernandes 13:54 vfernandes one little thing: Koha allows multi-edition of biblio records? change one field in all records? 13:58 wizzyrea batch edit biblio? not yet. batch edit items? Yep 13:58 vfernandes i know that edit items it's possible... 13:59 magnuse LibLime Koha 4.2 eh? did i miss that or is it really fresh? 13:59 wizzyrea quite fresh 13:59 vfernandes batch edit biblio would be a nice add to Koha :) 13:59 wizzyrea yep 13:59 Brooke deleting contribs = very fresh, indeed. 13:59 magnuse Brooke: hehe 14:00 wizzyrea cheeky, even. And not in a cute way. 14:00 magnuse yeah 14:00 magnuse and the-website-that-shall-not-be-mentioned has finally been completely butchered... 14:00 sekjal "Based on the ground-breaking 3.0 platform" 14:01 magnuse it ain't hip to be square... 14:01 magnuse oh well, not gonna waste energy on that 14:02 Brooke 0/ 14:04 hdl1 hi Brooke 14:04 Brooke :D 14:04 Brooke bonjour! 14:04 hdl1 wizzyrea: vfernandes : we proposed to the community batch edit of biblios 14:05 wizzyrea hdl: I remember 14:12 vfernandes batch edit of biblios is not something trivial to do... 14:13 hdl1 vfernandes: nope... 14:16 adnc rangi ping! 14:16 jwagner wizzyrea, one of my sites has pointed me to an add-on for Chrome that lets it handle RSS feeds: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/nlbjncdgjeocebhnmkbbbdekmmmcbfjd 14:16 wizzyrea adnc, he's sleeping 14:16 paul_p I really love this commit : https://github.com/liblime/LibLime-Koha/commit/80cccbd027a950152114a69e233f913e08e204a5 :((((((( 14:16 wizzyrea oo, good one 14:16 wizzyrea nice find 14:16 adnc does someone know if koha 3.4 is available with debian packages meanwhile? 14:16 adnc wizzyrea thanks ;) 14:16 wizzyrea I believe the commit for that just came through to open that up 14:16 * wizzyrea checks 14:17 wizzyrea yea, bug 6361 14:17 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6361 enhancement, P5, ---, robin, ASSIGNED , Packages need support for the 3.4 upgrade 14:17 adnc ohh so it is available 14:17 adnc nice 14:17 wizzyrea well I don't know about available 14:17 wizzyrea but work is commencing 14:18 hdl1 jwagner: hi 14:18 jwagner hi 14:18 adnc i see 3.2.9 is available 14:19 adnc but not 3.4 14:19 wizzyrea adnc: I sense that the release of the 3.4 packages is imminent 14:19 wizzyrea but perhaps not quite yet 14:19 wizzyrea maybe later today 14:19 adnc that would be great 14:20 wizzyrea that's a pretty big maybe 14:20 wizzyrea as in "things look like they're progressing, but I really have no timeline" 14:38 library_systems_guy where has nengard been lately 14:38 wizzyrea travelling ;) 14:38 wizzyrea hi oleonard 14:38 library_systems_guy aww man 14:38 Brooke 0/ 14:40 library_systems_guy so i was talking to hdl last night and it reminded me that during nengards training session she mentioned a library in the US that had implemented Drupal and Koha with SOPAC 14:40 library_systems_guy does anybody know what that library is? 14:40 kf hm 14:41 kf I remember something with f 14:41 wizzyrea darienlibrary? 14:41 kf ah, in the us 14:41 kf ignor eme 14:41 library_systems_guy lol well maybe im mistaken about the US bit 14:42 library_systems_guy but darien library looks very drupal-ish 14:42 wizzyrea i believe sopac was originally developed by Darien 14:42 wizzyrea http://thesocialopac.net/forum/16 14:42 wizzyrea er 14:42 wizzyrea forget the forum bit :P 14:42 wizzyrea http://thesocialopac.net/ 14:42 library_systems_guy yeah that is what i have been reading for pointers 14:43 kf library_systems_guy: seen that? http://www.slideshare.net/nicomo/sopac-koha-et-drupal-at-elag09 14:43 wahanui I haven't seen 'that', kf 14:43 wizzyrea forget that 14:43 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot that 14:43 wizzyrea that is <reply> 14:43 library_systems_guy i haven't seen that 14:43 library_systems_guy thanks kf 14:43 wizzyrea ah nicomo, I miss that guy 14:43 wizzyrea i hear he's doing well hto 14:43 wizzyrea tho* 14:47 kf ok, bye all :) 14:47 library_systems_guy bye kf 14:58 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6373] The mandatory fields validation popup doesn't appear in IE8 <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6373> 15:02 Oak \o 15:02 Brooke 0/ 15:02 Oak Brooke !!! how are you? still awesome? 15:02 * Brooke blushes. 15:03 Oak :) 15:08 wizzyrea hmm 15:08 wizzyrea how can you make a field in the add items page mandatory (such as "collection code" 15:08 wizzyrea ) 15:08 wizzyrea I tried editing the frameworks with the ccode subfield mandatory 15:08 wizzyrea but it doesn't seem to stick 15:09 wizzyrea rather, no value seems to be a valid value, thus it's always filled in even if it's not 15:10 NCARMichael hi peeps 15:10 NCARMichael topic of today's inquiry: patron batch upload 15:10 wizzyrea hi NCARMichael 15:11 NCARMichael hi wiz 15:11 NCARMichael i've got the xls file open here (CSV file with all the columns) 15:11 NCARMichael trying to figure out which one is OPAC Login. 15:12 NCARMichael "userID" perhaps? 15:12 wizzyrea I think so, I'd have to check though 15:12 wizzyrea one mo 15:14 jwagner Yes, userid is the OPAC login. Also the staff login if it's a staff account. 15:14 wizzyrea there you have it ;) 15:14 NCARMichael okay, cool. 15:15 NCARMichael and can i delete columns that i'm not using? or should i just leave em there. 15:15 wizzyrea leave em 15:15 NCARMichael okay 15:15 NCARMichael i'll try a sample and see if it works. 15:16 NCARMichael ttyl. grassy ass. 15:16 Brooke ha 15:16 wizzyrea lol, grassy ass? 15:16 Brooke gracias 15:16 wizzyrea that's a new one 15:16 wizzyrea hmm 15:16 wizzyrea perhaps that doesn't translate so well into text >.> 15:16 jwagner Too late. If you leave columns in place, and there's no data in them, and you're matching existing patrons, it wipes those fields 15:17 * wizzyrea checks her rear for grass 15:17 wizzyrea that is a good thing to know 15:17 jwagner Update .csv files should only include the fields that you want to update. 15:21 sekjal hdl1: is aqorderdelivery deprecated? 15:21 hdl1 missing him too. 15:21 hdl1 oopps 15:22 hdl1 was refering to wizzyrea and nicomo 15:22 hdl1 i think so.... At least i have never seen that used on our instances... 15:22 sekjal it's only used in reports/acquisitions-stats.pl 15:22 hdl1 this is why we dropped that. 15:23 Brooke five guys is callin' mah name again. 15:24 sekjal hmmm, I was thinking of putting the voucher number into the aqorderdelivery table, but if it's not used anywhere, there wouldn't be much point 15:27 conan hdl1: I just read your comment, what's done in biblibre repo? 15:27 hdl1 C4/Circulation.pm, network limitations 15:28 hdl1 the voucher number ? you mean invoice number ? 15:29 sekjal hdl1: no, there is also an invoice number in the incoming data 15:29 sekjal invoice corresponds to the bill, and voucher (I think) to the payment 15:29 hdl1 o k 15:29 sekjal so I'm going to try mapping vouchernumber to aqorders.purchaseordernumber 15:30 conan hdl1: I mean your comment: 10:28:27 hdl1 | conan: it is done in biblibre git repository 15:30 conan after my talk to druthb 15:30 hdl1 sekjal: I would be quite interested to see the indian work on acquisitions 15:30 hdl1 conan: C4/Circulation.pm, network limitations 15:30 hdl1 (what you said you wanted to do) 15:30 sekjal hdl1: me, too 15:30 * conan checks biblibre repo... 15:36 oleonard Bug 6374 was a good catch 15:36 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6374 normal, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW , Use "size" as names/hash keys leads to an unexpected results when using Template::Toolkit (name of a virtual method there) 15:44 oleonard I'm confused by the mail on the Koha list, "MARC view in OPAC won't switch off" 15:45 oleonard Local Use OPACviewMARC preference? 16:05 sekjal sounds like some kind of deprecated feature... checking git.k-c 16:12 sekjal oleonard: I'm only seeing reference to it in some of the translated system preference files. 16:15 oleonard http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-patches/2010-December/013315.html 16:26 cait hi #koha 16:27 jwagner hi cait 16:27 cait hi jwagner :) 16:29 jwagner cait, I was dreaming in German last night, and I have no idea why. I even understood it! 16:29 cait and you are sure it was German? :) 16:30 jwagner Sure sounded like it! 16:30 jwagner und Ich verstehe 16:30 jwagner (sort of) 16:30 cait wizzyrea++ 16:30 cait hehe 16:30 wizzyrea ?! 16:30 cait was it nice or more a nightmare? 16:30 cait your tweet 16:30 wizzyrea OH Yes. :) 16:30 cait speaks right from my heart 16:31 jwagner Kind of neutral. I've also been known to dream in Perl. My sleeping brain is a much better linguist than my awake brain. 16:31 wizzyrea i bet you've solved lots of problems that way :) 16:31 cait when I have a programming problem I can't solve I always dream about it 16:32 cait weird dreams, like walking in labyrinths 16:32 wizzyrea mine are always in metaphors 16:32 jwagner Yes, I've often dreamed about programming problems, and woke up with a solution in mind. Useful talent :-) 16:33 wizzyrea the dog = the problem whatever he's chasing = the solution, for example 16:39 rhcl If we wanted to create a menu item in Koha with multiselect, what is the current best practices--to use a shift-click for multiple items in the menu, or to have two fields, one listing all possible options with highlighting of items and moving them to the next field? 16:39 wizzyrea 2nd has more occurrences 16:40 cait guided reports? 16:40 rhcl aogle: I just asked what the best method for multiselect is 16:40 oleonard rhcl: I don't think you can reasonably ask many users to "shift-click" 16:40 cait does second I think 16:40 cait redmine does the shift click thing 16:40 oleonard Notices is another place that does multiselect 16:41 cait our new ticket syste, I like it, but perhaps owen is right 16:41 wizzyrea i personally prefer moving them, less chance for error 16:41 rhcl my inclination is to do shift or control-click, cause the code is easier :) 16:42 rhcl but if the other method is preferable.... 16:42 oleonard Yeah, selecting a bunch of things and then losing your selection is a pain 16:43 rhcl 'k. It's settled then. 16:43 wizzyrea just curious what's it for? 16:45 * oleonard is reminded of Bug 3125 16:45 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3125 normal, P3, ---, oleonard, NEW , IE7: Selected columns list in Reports Dictionary is not showing column names. 16:45 rhcl When we run tools->export (export.pl), we need the ability to pull multiple items from the itemtype, 'cause we have both books and magazines in the same db, with magazines identified by itemtype magazine, and when we do an OCLC pull we need to get everything but magazines 16:45 wizzyrea aha 16:49 oleonard Who's playing version numbering games wizzyrea ? 16:50 * cait wondered too 16:53 oleonard PTFS-- 16:53 oleonard Liblime-- 16:54 oleonard saying_fuck_you_to_the_community-- 16:55 conan by doing: git remote add biblibre git://git.koha-community.org/wip/koha-biblibre.git 16:56 conan Am I really getting the biblibre repo? 16:56 conan or is in some other place? 16:56 conan I added it, I fetched, and then I checked out some branch from biblibre 16:57 sekjal conan: that's the copy of their repo on the Koha git site. they have their own repo, as well 16:57 conan but I can't find what hdl told me is there 16:57 conan sekjal: hum... and the copy is updated? 16:57 sekjal found at: git://git.biblibre.com/koha_biblibre.git 16:57 sekjal not sure if the Koha site repo is synced to the biblibre.com repo, or how often 16:58 * conan is cloning... 16:59 cait conan: there is a page on the wiki with the urls of the public repos 17:01 conan cait: I was checking this one: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/ 17:02 cait conan: was talking about the wiki.koha-community.org 17:05 conan cait: you mean this one ? http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Public_Git_Repositories 17:05 cait yep 17:05 conan the url from sekjal is not there 17:05 conan only the local copies 17:05 oleonard Anyone know how get a list of bugs which *don't* have a dependency? 17:06 conan cait: scratch taht 17:06 cait oleonard: never tried it sorry 17:07 * oleonard would like to filter out such bugs from the "needs signoff" report 17:07 cait have you looked at the advanced options? 17:07 sekjal oleonard: under Custom Search in advanced search, you can match on 'depends on' 'is equal to' and then a blank 17:07 cait you want to get rid of those that are blocked by something else, right? 17:08 oleonard sekjal: Oh, a blank will work? 17:08 sekjal yes, I believe so 17:08 sekjal did this search: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?list_id=6033&field0-0-0=dependson&query_format=advanced&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&type0-0-0=equals 17:08 sekjal and got some results instead of an error 17:08 sekjal though I think it may be the OPPOSITE of what I was after.... hmmm 17:09 sekjal oh, phooey, nevermind.... doesnt' work like that 17:09 sekjal perhaps as a regex to match digits? 17:09 oleonard Yeah, it didn't change the number of results 17:10 oleonard The bigger problem is that all the stuff on the signoff list is *hard* 17:10 sekjal perhaps 'is greater than 1'? 17:12 * conan sees beautiful code @ biblibre 17:12 conan hdl++ 17:15 conan gotta run, bye 17:16 vfernandes bye people :) 17:43 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6375] Markup and style corrections for overdue report <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6375> 18:54 wizzyrea hi hankbank :) 19:17 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6346] Patron search results should be valigned top <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6346> 19:23 magnuse g'night #koha 19:27 cait sweet dreams magnuse 19:41 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6309] subscription table sorter in the opac <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6309> 19:42 oleonard ^ new and improved. 19:42 cait :) 19:42 oleonard And by "improved" I mean "not broken." 19:44 cait fixing_things++ 19:44 cait oleonard++ 19:47 cait one bug signed off... where is the next 19:50 rangi yay finally 19:51 * rangi wanders off to breakfast 19:53 cait ? 19:53 * cait wonders if this was a rangi ghost 20:08 larryb .part 20:13 joethoks sue the bastards 20:13 joethoks oh and hello 20:14 wizzyrea heh 20:18 * oleonard decides to replace all of Koha's audio cues with sound effects from 8-bit video games 20:18 * wizzyrea giggles 20:24 joethoks quake? 20:24 oleonard quake isn't 8-bit, but I'm all for it 20:25 cait pong? 20:25 wizzyrea shooting the bejesus out of aliens seems appealing right now 20:25 wizzyrea erm, extraterrestrial aliens, that is. 20:26 wizzyrea check out "bleep!" 20:26 wizzyrea check in "bloop!" 20:26 wizzyrea hold found "beep boop beep!" 20:27 cait hmpf 20:27 cait oleonard: still around? 20:27 oleonard Yes 20:27 cait I am looking at 6347 20:27 cait bug 6347 20:27 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6347 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, NEW , Bug in opac-reserve.pl stopping item level holds 20:28 cait and the item level hold option shows up but the table seems to be very broken 20:28 cait and I can't save it saying that I have not chosen an item 20:28 cait weird 20:29 oleonard I can look at it tomorrow. I have to leave now. 20:29 * oleonard shall return. 20:29 cait k 20:30 cait it blocks another sign-off 20:30 cait and it's evil 20:30 cait have a nice evening :) 20:43 joethoks quake is the one with all the splats and blooches 21:01 rhcl http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_blog/2011/05/the-future-of-the-library.html 21:56 wizzyrea bbl friends :) 21:57 rhcl bye 23:30 sekjal good evening, #koha 23:31 Space_Librarian evening sekjal