Time  Nick              Message
00:23 jcamins_away      sfx--
00:23 jcamins_away      ebrary--
00:23 jcamins_away      Who else has abusive closed information infrastructures?
00:23 jcamins_away      elsevier--
00:27 druthb            whazzup, jcamins_away?
00:33 jcamins_away      druthb: doing research.
00:33 jcamins_away      And SFX and Ebrary irritate me no end.
00:34 jcamins_away      (that would be SFX "why no, my output isn't determinate, why would I tell you the same thing twice, when I can give you *different* wrong information every time?" and Ebrary "you don't need to see any page other than this one, right? good, I think I'll freeze now")
01:08 Brooke            kia ora
01:19 snail             Brooke: mōrena Brooke
01:19 Brooke            :D
01:20 Brooke            I  pēhea tō rā?
01:38 jcamins_away      Today is the day when Myshkin's winter coat comes out all at once.
01:39 jcamins_away      Naturally I'm wearing black, black, and black.
01:39 druthb            and stray hairs, right
01:39 druthb            ?
01:40 jcamins_away      Yes.
01:40 jcamins_away      Well, mostly just stray hairs.
01:40 jcamins_away      Somewhere underneath all the hair, though, there's black.
01:40 druthb            Capt. Midnight's fur is short enough that it's not too big a problem.  And it's *solid* black.
01:56 snail             Kei te pai tō rā, e hoa.
02:18 rangi             screenshot of the day
02:18 rangi             http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=4038
02:46 snail             rangi: yes, but is he still alive because he's a human and the book allowed him to survive the zombies, or because he's a zombie and the book spread useful (to him) misinformation among the humans?
02:47 rangi             only one way to find out :)
05:45 cait              morning #koha
07:11 rangi             heya cait
07:15 cait              hi rangi :)
07:53 rangi             cait: did you see this? http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=4038
07:56 cait              the libravatar feature? yes :)
07:57 cait              very cool
07:57 cait              hope to look at your notices thing later - planning to at least
07:57 cait              have to do some other paperwork first
07:57 rangi             cool thanks
08:04 scl               hi... any zebra experts around?
08:04 indradg           hi... any zebra experts around?
08:10 cait              indradg: I am not an expert, but ask your question - perhaps someone will read and respond
08:12 indradg           cait, thanks... i need to index several indic languages - bengali, hindi and assamese in my catalog... does zebra play funky without proper ICU settings?
08:13 cait              you already use icuß
08:13 cait              ?
08:15 indradg           cait, oops! didn't phrase that correctly! mea culpa
08:15 indradg           what i meant was this option from the koha installer - "Primary language for Zebra indexing (en, fr) [en] "
08:16 indradg           i vaguely remember that one needs to do something to tweak it for other languages... and came up with some mails from kete forum
08:17 cait              indradg: I think it will not work without icu for you - it doesn't work for hebrew witout
08:17 indradg           http://kete.net.nz/documentation/topics/show/139-managing-zebra particularly Ahmad Maher's description of problems with arabic with truncation
08:17 cait              and you can't select ICU with the web installer
08:17 cait              you have to modify koha manually to make it work
08:18 indradg           and I'm fine with that.. so I'm looking for where to do that work :)
08:21 cait              perhaps this helps: http://old.nabble.com/Re%3A-display-search-result-problem-p28106148.html
08:26 indradg           checking!
08:28 indradg           cait, ah thanks a bunch :) i kind of vaguely remembered this post... thanks for the link :)
08:33 cait              hope it helps :)
10:53 druthb            o/
11:38 * Oak             waves
11:44 * cait            waves
11:44 * jcamins         waves
11:45 cait              hi jcamins :)
11:45 druthb            good morning, jcamins. :)
12:24 indradg           hi.. if I've life members who's only criteria is they must be over 18 years of age, what do most people do with the enrollment period?
12:24 druthb            The couple of times I've run into it, they set the expiration for 60 months; that lets them check up on the borrower address every five years.
12:39 indradg           druthb, thanks
12:41 jcamins           If I run rebuild_zebra without -z or -r, it won't take down the index, right?
12:43 freebe            I am getting the below error on a Koha 4.0.0 installation
12:43 freebe            /usr/share/demo/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -z
12:43 freebe            Can't call method "field" on an undefined value at C4/Biblio.pm line 359.
12:43 freebe            Any hint?
12:44 jcamins           freebe: what version of Koha?
12:44 freebe            Koha 4.0.0
12:44 jcamins           Ummm... there's no such thing.
12:44 freebe            3.4.0
12:44 cait              more likely ;)
12:44 freebe            :)
12:44 jcamins           Oh, okay. Well, I'm glad I checked that, because I was going to tell you 3.0.0 was very old. ;)
12:45 cait              probably an indexing problem
12:45 jcamins           freebe: do you use link_authorities_to_bibs.pl?
12:45 cait              happens when you try to take a look at a record?
12:45 freebe            jcamins, let me look for it
12:45 jcamins           freebe: no, if you haven't used it before, don't!
12:46 jcamins           It's very, very dangerous.
12:46 freebe            cait, It happens when the Koha cronjob execute /usr/share/demo/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -z
12:46 freebe            jcamins, ok
12:47 jcamins           freebe: check your environment?
12:47 jcamins           Maybe KOHA_CONF isn't set?
12:47 jcamins           freebe: you do have data in the database, right?
12:47 freebe            yep
12:47 jcamins           Is this an upgrade?
12:47 freebe            I think that can be the problem, let me add one record
12:47 freebe            No, it is not an upgrade
12:47 freebe            It is a clean and new install
12:47 jcamins           Okay. Did you go through the web installer?
12:48 freebe            yes
12:48 freebe            Circulation works
12:48 freebe            and so on
12:48 jcamins           Okay. I think the problem is that there's a typo in KOHA_CONF or something like that.
12:48 jcamins           Try manually running rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -r
12:49 freebe            trying
12:50 freebe            /usr/share/koha/lib$ /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -z
12:50 freebe            Can't call method "field" on an undefined value at C4/Biblio.pm line 359.
12:50 freebe            Same error
12:51 jcamins           Not -z.
12:51 jcamins           -r
12:51 freebe            trying
12:51 freebe            It works with -r
12:51 freebe            and now also with -z
12:51 jcamins           Yeah.
12:51 freebe            thanks
12:51 jcamins           I had a feeling.
12:51 jcamins           You're welcome.
12:52 freebe            What do you think it was the cause of that?
12:52 jcamins           Your index wasn't properly initialized.
12:52 freebe            I see
12:52 freebe            thanks
12:52 jcamins           And you had something in zebraqueue that was pointing to an invalid record.
12:52 cait              jcamins++
12:53 freebe            jcamins, I think I had something in zebraqueue that was pointing to an invalid record because I deleted a record which I was circulation and maybe Zebra was not able to sync properly
12:53 freebe            ?
12:53 jcamins           Yes.
12:54 jcamins           tcohen wrote a fix for this.
12:54 jcamins           It's a very major bug, in my opinion.
12:54 jcamins           tcohen++
12:54 cait              does it still need sign-off?
12:54 jcamins           I don't think so.
12:54 freebe            Can you let me know the bug number
12:54 freebe            I am going to repeat the test to see if that lack of synchronisation happens again
12:54 jcamins           It's part of bug 5166.
12:54 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5166 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED , Refactor rebuild_zebra.pl into a library
12:55 freebe            thanks
12:55 jcamins           freebe: no, it probably won't now that you've gotten your index initialized properly.
12:55 freebe            I see
12:55 freebe            thanks
13:06 freebe            jcamins, Note that even now, with the Zebra index right, I get
13:06 freebe            Can't call method "fields" on an undefined value at /usr/share/demo/lib/C4/Biblio.pm line 2096.
13:06 freebe            When importing the same record
13:07 freebe            I get that error as Koha offers me to choose between Edit the record or add a new one
13:07 jcamins           freebe: okay, in that case it's a corrupted record.
13:07 freebe            If I choose to edit the record (which does not exits as it was deleted) then I get the above Error in the Koha admin web interface
13:07 jcamins           Oh, of course.
13:08 jcamins           If you've deleted the record, you can't edit it.
13:08 freebe            yes
13:08 freebe            I think Koha admin should not me offer to edit it if it does not exist
13:09 cait              it will not offer it any longer, once the index has been updated
13:09 jcamins           I guess I'm not entirely sure what the issue here is. It will show up until the cronjob runs.
13:09 freebe            I thought the index was already updated with rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -z
13:09 freebe            isn't it?
13:09 jcamins           How often is that running?
13:10 freebe            5 minutes via cron
13:10 freebe            but I run it by hand
13:10 freebe            previously to that Koha admin operation
13:10 jcamins           freebe: I'm not sure what the problem is, but I suspect it's in your workflow.
13:10 freebe            ok, thanks
13:11 cait              delete - run cronjob
13:11 cait              after that it should have disappeared
13:15 freebe            done
13:16 freebe            testing again
13:16 jcamins           freebe: what is it exactly that you want to do?
13:17 freebe            I want to know how to get rig of that error
13:17 freebe            being my mistake or Koha one
13:18 jcamins           freebe: I guess what I'm wondering is, if this error is specific to your unusual workflow of adding a record, immediately deleting it, then trying to edit the record, couldn't you just tell your librarians "don't try to edit records immediately after deleting them"?
13:19 freebe            yes, I think so
13:20 freebe            and telling them not trying to import the same record just after deleting it
13:20 freebe            or increase the cron frequency
13:22 jcamins           Right.
13:24 freebe            Just for your information
13:24 freebe            I have deleted all records
13:24 freebe            run rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -z
13:24 freebe            and imported again
13:25 freebe            and the Koha admin offers Edit besides the create option
13:25 freebe            clicking 'Edit' shows
13:25 freebe            Can't call method "fields" on an undefined value at /usr/share/demo/lib/C4/Biblio.pm line 2096.
13:25 freebe            So maybe it is not an index update problem?
13:26 jcamins           freebe: where are you seeing this?
13:27 jcamins           Also, how did you delete the records?
13:27 freebe            I see it at
13:27 freebe            /cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/addbiblio.pl
13:27 freebe            I deleted it at
13:28 freebe            /cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/detail.pl?biblionumber=1
13:28 jcamins           And how are you importing?
13:29 freebe            I imported it via a Z39.50 search
13:29 jcamins           Hm.
13:29 freebe            The import worked rightly as I was able to circulate it
13:30 jcamins           Hm.
13:31 jcamins           I'm out of ideas, sorry.
13:31 freebe            no problem
13:31 freebe            thanks for all your help
13:32 freebe            I can look at it a little more and report to you if I think I find the cause
15:52 jcamins           Brunch time! Hip hooray for brunch time! Everybody stop at brunch time!
18:43 jcamins           It turns out that 20 pounds of chapatti flour is just as heavy as 20 pounds of whole wheat flour. :)
18:50 cait1             is that surprising?
18:50 jcamins           cait1: no, just commenting.
18:50 cait1             oh
18:50 cait              killing the 1
18:50 jcamins           That was supposed to be a diplomatic way of cheering about the fact that I just got 20 pounds of chapatti flour. :)
18:51 cait              aha!
18:52 jcamins           Now I need a container large enough for storing all purpose flour.
18:56 cait2             yes
18:56 cait2             keep it save from the bugs
18:56 jcamins           Exactly.
18:57 jcamins           A 5 gallon bucket ought to do pretty well.
19:00 jcamins           But then, perhaps a larger one would do better.
19:07 cait              salmon and green salad
19:07 cait              yum
19:08 cait              evening hdl
19:12 magnuse           kia ora
19:20 cait              hi magnus
19:20 cait              waking up?;)
19:21 magnuse           nah, going to sleep soon
19:29 magnuse           gotta get up at 6 tomorrow - not used to that...
19:36 cait              travelling?
19:37 hdl               hi cait
19:38 magnuse           yep, i'm in stavanger tonight, and travelling half an hour by train tomorrow morning, for two days of koha training
19:38 magnuse           hiya wizzy_home
19:38 wizzy_home        hello :)
19:38 cait              hi wizzy :)
19:39 wizzy_home        how is everyone?
19:39 jcamins           wizzy_home: I was just thinking about you, actually.
19:39 wizzy_home        oh yea?
19:39 wizzy_home        that explains the tickle in my ear
19:40 cait              weekend is over too early
19:40 wizzy_home        *nod
19:40 wizzy_home        much much too early
19:40 jcamins           Yup. Among other things, I just bought 20 pounds of chapatti flour. :)
19:40 wizzy_home        ooo
19:40 wizzy_home        what are you planning on making?
19:40 jcamins           I don't know.
19:44 magnuse           chappatis, by the sound of it...
19:44 wizzy_home        oho
19:45 slef              mmm chappatis
19:46 wizzy_home        hmm, wheat and malted barley flour eh?
19:46 wizzy_home        that's a lot of roti :P
19:46 slef              I've malted grain flour... is that the same?
19:46 wizzy_home        i am not sure, i had to ask mr. google
19:46 * slef            notes he has nfc where stavanger is
19:47 jcamins           wizzy_home: yeah, it's finely ground, and higher protein content than other wheat.
19:48 wizzy_home        so, not as stretchy (less gluten?)
19:48 wizzy_home        or is my thinking backwards
19:48 jcamins           Backwards.
19:48 wizzy_home        more stretchy :)
19:49 jcamins           Right.
19:49 jcamins           Or, I suppose, it should be more work to stretch it, but it'll hold its shape better.
19:49 wizzy_home        i'm reminded that I ought to make naan
19:50 wizzy_home        nom no m onm nom nom indianfood nom nom nom
19:50 jcamins           We just went to an Indian restaurant for brunch.
19:50 jcamins           _So_ good.
19:50 wizzy_home        we went to a brunchy place, with fancy brunchy food.
19:51 wizzy_home        spud was in heaven... they had canteloupe and ham. and cheesecake. And green beans.
19:51 wizzy_home        not all together of course
19:56 magnuse           hehe cool spud
19:56 magnuse           what was that quote again? run run run fall down kick in the face?
19:56 wizzy_home        hehe yea
19:56 wizzy_home        he's still on about that
19:56 jcamins           What?
19:56 wizzy_home        when watching rugby, that's spud's cheer
19:56 jcamins           Aww.
19:56 wizzy_home        "run! run! run! Fall down! Kick in the face!!"
19:57 jcamins           That's slightly disturbing, but very cute.
19:57 slef              OT: when's the next general meeting?
19:57 jcamins           11 May 2011 0200 UTC+0
19:57 * jcamins         reads from the topic
19:57 wizzy_home        agreed, it's slightly disturbing, but think about rugby for a mo, and it's like, well yea
19:57 wizzy_home        that's pretty much what it's about
19:57 jcamins           True.
19:58 wizzy_home        honesty, I like it ;)
19:58 magnuse           hehe, that quote pops into my head every now and then ;-)
19:58 jcamins           :)
19:58 wizzy_home        :D
19:58 slef              jcamins: thanks. :)
19:59 slef              0300 local :-/
19:59 jcamins           slef: you're welcome.
19:59 jcamins           I don't think I'll be there.
19:59 slef              I probably will be. Unless I pass out first.
19:59 slef              [off] medication makes sleep unpredictable...
19:59 wizzy_home        or get up reeeallly early
19:59 slef              wizzy_home: yeah. naw.
20:10 adnc_             cait, hallo!
20:11 cait              hi adnc_
20:12 jcamins           @later tell rangi Bug 5449 was never merged into Master. I reset the patch status to "Signed off," because I wasn't sure what else to do with it. The patch still merges cleanly.
20:12 huginn            jcamins: The operation succeeded.
20:13 cait              bug 5449
20:13 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5449 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, brice.sanchez, ASSIGNED , JSON malformed in Koha - Blocker with jQuery 1.4.x
20:20 rangi             hmm i never put a comment on the bug, i suspect i just switched the wrong status
20:21 rangi             ah yes i was/and still am waiting for more information on it
20:22 rangi             but if its causing no errors for owen, ill meerge it
20:23 jcamins           Well, in my testing it didn't cause any errors.
20:23 jcamins           But I was only using 1.3.whatever-comes-with-Koha and 1.4.whatever-comes-with-Debian.
20:24 rangi             we'll soon find out
20:24 jcamins           :)
20:24 jcamins           rangi++
20:24 adnc_             i'm getting a warning from the koha daily cronjobs: kutuphane: No branches with active overduerules at /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/overdue_notices.pl line 296.
20:25 adnc_             does someone know what the problem could be?
20:25 jcamins           adnc_: yes, that's because you don't have overdue triggers set up.
20:25 rangi             means you have set up overdue rules
20:25 rangi             havent even
20:25 adnc_             where are they? I think I did
20:25 cait              adnc_ go to tools > notice triggers
20:25 jcamins           Tools->Notices.
20:26 cait              avoid the default library, set rules for your specific library
20:26 jcamins           Wait, no, Tools->Overdue notice/status triggers
20:26 jcamins           Sorry, I always get those two confused.
20:26 adnc_             cait, mahntrigger?
20:26 cait              adnc: mahntrigger in der deutschen übersetzung, dort nicht bei Standard eintragen, Standard frei lassen - und bei deiner angelegten bibliothek regeln eintragen
20:26 cait              geanu
20:27 cait              genau
20:28 cait              du kannst die Beanchrichtigungen unter Benachrichtigungen konfigurieren, unterschiedliche für die 1., 2. und 3. Benachrichtigung, wichtig ist nur, dass du dort Modul Ausleihe nimmst
20:28 adnc_             Es wurde eine Verzögerung von delay1 für Benutzertyp Personal der Bibliothek eingestellt, aber keine schriftliche Benachrichtigung oder Sperraktion festgelegt. Wenn eine Verzögerung eingestellt ist, sollte entweder eine Benachrichtigung, eine Sperraktion oder beides festgelegt werden.
20:28 jenkins_koha      Starting build 243 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
20:28 cait              adnc_ musst noch eine benachrichtigung auswählen
20:29 cait              unter werkzeuge > benachrichtigungen kannst du die anlegen, die beispielbenachrichtigung heisst ODUE
20:30 magnuse           g'night #koha
20:30 rangi             cya magnus_away
20:30 cait              night magnuse :)
20:32 adnc_             cait, super, jetzt müsste ich es noch probieren
20:32 huginn            New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'kc/new/bug_5449' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9573f444fcd6f56b2c9248d6bc8d52525a62d518>
20:32 adnc_             the warning is gone now, thanks
20:34 cait              cool
20:38 * jcamins         waves to druthb, very belatedly
20:39 * druthb          waves back.
21:10 jenkins_koha      Project Koha_master build #243: SUCCESS in 41 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/243/
21:10 jenkins_koha      Julian Maurice: Bug 5449: JSON malformed in Koha - Blocker with jQuery 1.4.x
21:10 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5449 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, brice.sanchez, ASSIGNED , JSON malformed in Koha - Blocker with jQuery 1.4.x
21:10 rangi             cool
21:14 * jcamins         mutters imprecations at the American obsession with having your own car.
21:14 wizzy_home        ha
21:16 jcamins           I want to get to a rather remote part of New Jersey.
21:17 jcamins           I may end up forced to rent a car to get there.
21:17 wizzy_home        hrm
21:18 jcamins           This is absurd.
21:19 jcamins           Just in case you were unclear on that.
21:19 jcamins           Or catch a 4am train.
21:19 jcamins           To get somewhere an hour away at 9.
21:19 wizzy_home        hm neither prospect seems appealing
21:19 jcamins           I agree.
21:20 rangi             having driven in NJ
21:20 rangi             id take the train
21:20 rangi             :-)
21:21 jcamins           rangi: there is only one.
21:21 jcamins           And it's on the wrong day.
21:21 wizzy_home        d'oh
21:21 jcamins           I think I'll end up taking the 4am train, though.
21:26 jcamins           On that horrifying note, I think it's time to work on my paper.
21:29 cait              good luck with the paper
21:29 cait              time to sleep here
21:30 jcamins           Good night, #koha
21:50 indradg           hi... is the holiday calender need to filled in, in a certain order to have them being listed in date-wise order in the list of "Unique Holidays" ?
22:22 * druthb          waves to Space_Librarian
22:23 * Space_Librarian waves back
22:23 druthb            :D :D