Time  Nick                  Message
23:59 coryj                 bleh... should be html-decoded...
23:59 * coryj               wonders if title shoudl be hrml-decoded before being indexed in rebuild_nozebra.pl
23:57 jcamins_away          Very sensible.
23:57 coryj                 no clue.  I'm not going to mention this little "bug" to anyone here lest the anti-Koha librarians blow it out of proportion.
23:56 jcamins_away          I guess you actually have books with the word "amp" in the title?
23:56 jcamins_away          coryj: probably.
23:55 coryj                 I assume it is because it is encoded as "&" in the marcxml record.
23:55 coryj                 hrm..  when I do a title search for "amp" I am still getting every record that has an ampersand (&) in the title.
23:54 coryj                 But now we really must make some bread so we have some nice slightly-stale homemade bread for next time.
23:53 coryj                 the french toast was YUMMY!
23:52 eythian               *being
23:52 eythian               you had a minute there to spew invective without be recorded, and you missed it!
23:51 coryj                 ;)
23:51 coryj                 wb
23:48 coryj                 druthb: for shame
23:48 * jcamins_away        is rather fixated on French Toast... he wanted it for breakfast, and has spent all day thinking about how yummy it is.
23:48 jcamins_away          druthb: you're missing International French Toast Day!
23:47 druthb                hm...got some chinese takeout on the way...
23:43 jcamins_away          druthb: how about you? French toast for dinner? :)
23:43 coryj                 man, it smells good here.  Gonna have to go eat my french toast.
23:41 coryj                 Two of our six librarians feel that way.  The truth is that both of them want the computer to do everything.. and the Follett rep says destiny will.
23:40 coryj                 Multiple categories in Koha when their old app shows one will be one more bit of "proof" that it isn't up to the job.
23:40 jcamins_away          Ugh.
23:39 coryj                 Unfortunately, the library this is from is completely against Koha and insists only Destiny will work for them.
23:38 jcamins_away          The librarian who presumably entered that didn't recall the book at all.
23:38 jcamins_away          Ooh! Or "ASK AT OFFICE."
23:37 coryj                 lol
23:36 jcamins_away          coryj: at least you didn't have "7TH FL BOX" as a location... for a library in a building with only 5 floors.
23:36 coryj                 jcamins_away: cast iron pan is hot now
23:35 coryj                 First search I found categories of "Horse" "Horse," "HORSE" and "HORSE," to match.
23:34 coryj                 We just imported data from our Sr. high school and I took a look at it today.  :( not impressed with the clean-up we paid for.
23:34 jcamins_away          coryj: lucky. My wife won't be home for another hour or two.
23:33 coryj                 druthb: Same here.  Wish we could have had you do our migration.
23:33 druthb                coryj: it was great meeting you in Madison! :)
23:32 coryj                 hrmmm. maybe #ffbb00 - not so good at color-matching
23:32 coryj                 jcamins_away: Have the eggs in the bowl.  Beautiful #ffcc11 colored yolks.  Can tell they're getting outside now that spring is here.
23:32 druthb                om nom nom
23:31 jcamins_away          French toast all around to celebrate!
23:30 jcamins_away          Hooray!
23:30 druthb                I did.  back at home, safe and sound.
23:28 jcamins_away          Made it safely back to DC?
23:27 druthb                hi, teammate! :)
23:26 * jcamins_away        waves to druthb
23:26 druthb                o/
23:21 huginn                04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6031 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, ASSIGNED , koha-rebuild-zebra doesn't allow XML and verbose indexing
23:21 huginn                04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6282 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, colin.campbell, ASSIGNED , HomeOrHoldingBranchReturn syspref missing from *.pref file
23:21 huginn                04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6001 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, matthias.meusburger, ASSIGNED , batchRebuildBiblioTables.pl crashes when GetMarcBiblio fails.
23:21 huginn                04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5509 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, ASSIGNED , Packaging scripts get upset when there's an LDAP configuration in the koha_conf.xml
23:21 jenkins_koha          * Chris Cormack: Bug 6031 : Fix for syntax (bashism crept into a pure sh script)
23:21 jenkins_koha          * Colin Campbell: Bug 6282: HomeOrHoldingBranchReturn missing from pref file
23:21 huginn                04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3543 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED , Spine labels - NLM call numbers not splitting
23:21 jenkins_koha          * Matthias Meusburger: Bug 6001 : batchRebuildBiblioTables.pl doesn't crash anymore when GetMarcBiblio fails. Unprocessed biblionumbers are displayed at the end of the execution instead.
23:21 jenkins_koha          * Robin Sheat: Bug 5509 - use an XML parser to get values from config
23:21 jenkins_koha          * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 3543: split NLM call numbers in label creator
23:21 jenkins_koha          * Galen Charlton: history.txt updates for April 2011 releases
23:21 jenkins_koha          Project Koha_3.2.x build #23: SUCCESS in 38 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.2.x/23/
23:20 coryj                 definately warmer/nicer than during the Kudos conf last two days
23:20 coryj                 although today might have been the warmest so far this year
23:19 huginn                coryj: The current temperature in Antigo, Wisconsin, Antigo, Wisconsin is 16.4�C (6:12 PM CDT on May 04, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 26%. Dew Point: -3.0�C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026.0 hPa (Falling).
23:19 coryj                 @wunder 54414
23:19 coryj                 If I were on the west coast it would probably be nicer out too.
23:18 coryj                 it's 6:21 here tho.
23:17 jcamins_away          If you were on the West Coast, you'd have time.
23:17 coryj                 And the wife is armed with scissors so...
23:17 jcamins_away          That's too bad.
23:17 jcamins_away          Heh.
23:17 coryj                 I'm too hungry now to wait for that.
23:17 coryj                 jcamins_away: ahh.  A batch usually takes us about 90 min or so.
23:16 jcamins_away          coryj: no, I meant for you baking fresh bread.
23:15 coryj                 My shipping math is rusty.
23:15 coryj                 Lets see... US post office + time till next pick up * hunger = 5-6 days I think.
23:15 coryj                 Actually, the wife ships eggs all the time.
23:15 jcamins_away          coryj: well, how long until dinner?
23:15 jcamins_away          Heh.
23:14 coryj                 jcamins_away: nah... just no promices on the condition when they arrive
23:14 coryj                 Too bad I didn't just decide to have french toast when it came up before.  We could have ahd some fresh bread.
23:14 jcamins_away          coryj: I think it would be easier for me to ship the bread than for you to ship the eggs. ;)
23:13 jcamins_away          If only I had fresh eggs -- and knew where my maple syrup was -- dinner would be perfect.
23:13 coryj                 jcamins_away: Trade you some home-made bread for fresh eggs.
23:13 jcamins_away          coryj: ooh.
23:13 coryj                 Only bad thing is we don't have fresh bread.  But we do have eggs fresh from our chickens.
23:12 eythian               http://thedailywtf.com/#PPic1
23:10 jcamins_away          :D
23:10 * jcamins_away        has started a movement.
23:10 coryj                 She said, "That sounds GREAT!"
23:10 coryj                 Wife said... what should we have for dinner and half jokingly I said "French toast?"
23:09 coryj                 yeah, that's the problem.
23:09 jcamins_away          coryj: but doesn't it sound wonderful?
23:08 coryj                 I'll have you  know... it is your fault that we are having french toast for dinner tonight.
23:07 coryj                 I'
23:07 jcamins_away          I told #koha to talk me out of it earlier, and they completely failed.
23:06 rhcl                  of course
23:06 jcamins_away          I didn't have it for breakfast, so I'm having it for dinner. :P
23:05 rhcl                  ah, yes, of course. I forgot you were in the Nepal time zone (or whereever it's 7:00 am right now).
23:05 jcamins_away          rhcl: French toast!
23:04 rhcl                  and maple syrup would be required for what why?
22:54 jcamins_away          Horror! I can't find my maple syrup anywhere!
22:43 jenkins_koha          Starting build 23 for job Koha_3.2.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
22:34 huginn                New commit(s) kohagit32: Bug 6031 : Fix for syntax (bashism crept into a pure sh script) <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8708377894676f3d295b8f6a23d1ae4c0ffb20a2> / Bug 6282: HomeOrHoldingBranchReturn missing from pref file <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=50796d5b73aa3e6be16763a3db05ea32458316df> / Bug 6001 : batchRebuildBiblioTables.pl doesn't crash anymore when GetMarcBiblio fail
22:17 coryj                 anyhow.. catch you later
22:17 coryj                 warmest we've had this spring I think.
22:16 huginn                coryj: The current temperature in Hawthorn Hills Elementary School, Wausau, Wisconsin is 16.9�C (5:19 PM CDT on May 04, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 29%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1023.9 hPa (Falling).
22:16 coryj                 @wunder wausau, wi
22:16 rangi                 the same :)
22:16 huginn                rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 16.0�C (10:00 AM NZST on May 05, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Rising).
22:16 rangi                 @wunder wellington nz
22:16 coryj                 rangi: until later.  Hope the weather is nice for you.  Really warm here today 16C!
22:14 rangi                 spotya later coryj
22:10 coryj                 Guess I should go.  I was done 1-1/4 hours ago and haven't seen the wife since before Kudos-con.
21:38 huginn                rangi: The operation succeeded.
21:38 rangi                 @later tell chris_n did you forget to do a push of the 3.4.x branch?
21:38 coryj                 last year would have been even better... due to location
21:37 rangi                 chris_n: you about?
21:36 coryj                 Man I'd love to get to Kohacon this year.
21:34 gmcharlt              coryj: heh; well, if you're not using authorities, wouldn't need to add it
21:32 cait                  night #koha
21:31 coryj                 looks like rebuild_zebra -a isn't being run at all in a cron job right now
21:29 gmcharlt              as separate crontab entries
21:29 gmcharlt              and rebuild_zebra -a
21:29 gmcharlt              rebuild_zebra.pl -b -x
21:29 gmcharlt              just note that if you use authorities, you have to do
21:28 gmcharlt              coryj: no
21:28 coryj                 gmcharlt: any downside to rebuilding with -x ?
21:24 jcamins               Good night, #koha
21:24 jcamins               Time to pontificate on the national identity of Bukharan Jews in late Imperial Russia.
21:23 coryj                 going to try that right now
21:20 gmcharlt              coryj: if you run rebuild_zebra.pl with -x, I suspect that would happy automatically
21:19 coryj                 If I search for "amp" in titles, I get every book with an ampersand (&) in it since it is encoded to &amp; in marcxml
21:19 coryj                 Is there a way to get it to de-html-encode it before indexing?
21:18 gmcharlt              always from the marxml
21:18 coryj                 is it standard for zebra to index title from within biblioitems.marcxml or from biblios.title ?
21:16 rangi                 coryj: awesome!
21:16 rangi                 thanks jcamins
21:15 coryj                 Decided to get more involved again after kudos meeting
21:15 coryj                 rangi: you too.
21:14 jcamins               rangi: sent you a follow-up patch.
21:12 rangi                 cool to 'see' you again
21:12 rangi                 coryj: right ;-)
21:12 rangi                 welcome back skushner
21:11 coryj                 rangi: Yeah, and the hackfest afterwards
21:11 rangi                 ta jcamins
21:11 skushner              :D
21:11 skushner              bg:(
21:06 wizzyrea              if it ought to just be something we do at all points of record ingress
21:06 jcamins               And my follow-up to 5868.
21:06 wizzyrea              aha, I wonder then
21:06 huginn                04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5192 enhancement, P1, ---, jwagner, REOPENED , Add new index and search option for 658 curriculum field
21:05 jcamins               rangi: oh, in that case you'll need the patch for bug 5192 (433b77b750a155f50d9db4a2e6c9fdf4be6ed169).
21:05 * Brooke              is guessing shorter.
21:05 cait                  wizzyrea: you can do that in acq
21:05 jcamins               (git pulling Master into my bug branch)
21:05 Brooke                as in longer than checking mail in Horowhenua, or shorter?
21:05 rangi                 yeah it goes 656 657 690
21:04 jcamins               Wow, this is taking forever.
21:04 rangi                 heya skushner
21:02 jcamins               I guess there should be a follow-up
21:01 wizzyrea              hm, would it be cool to have a "pick your framework" option for ztarget imports as well as staged imports?
21:01 jcamins               I did all but 658 with my patch.
21:00 jcamins               You'll have to edit it manually.
21:00 jcamins               There's no commit.
20:59 jcamins               Okay, that's weird.
20:58 rangi                 awesome thank you
20:58 jcamins               Looking now.
20:58 rangi                 oh really, do you ahve any idea when?
20:57 jcamins               Apparently 658 was already added.
20:57 rangi                 ?
20:55 jcamins               It was an earlier one.
20:55 jcamins               Oh, no, never mind.
20:55 * rangi               will see if he can apply it :)
20:54 rangi                 what was the bug?
20:54 jcamins               Ah.
20:54 rangi                 it might, but this is an older 3.2.x install
20:54 jcamins               rangi: doesn't my patch do that?
20:52 rangi                 cool
20:52 gmcharlt              rangi: yep
20:52 Brooke                bounced back right away love.
20:52 rangi                 ok, i want to add 658 to fields searched under subject, its just a matter of editing the zebra configs and reindexing eh?
20:52 * SpaceLibrarian_home isn't quite awake yet
20:51 SpaceLibrarian_home   Brooke
20:51 SpaceLibrarian_home   hey Broole
20:50 Brooke                I think I'd vomit if I had to eat dinner at 5 most days.
20:50 Brooke                <3
20:50 jcamins               I wish Shari's class didn't end at 6:15. I've talked myself into wanting dinner now.
20:50 wizzyrea              heya brooke
20:50 Brooke                :)
20:49 rangi                 hiya Brooke
20:49 Brooke                kia ora
20:48 rangi                 coryj: i think ive just placed who you are :) you were at kohacon09 right?
20:48 jcamins               It was an experimental recipe, but it seemed to work out well, even if it wasn't quite what I was going for.
20:47 * gmcharlt            is suddenly hungry
20:47 gmcharlt              I see you're getting your revenge on us for not helping you ;)
20:47 SpaceLibrarian_home   I think I may find some for breakfast.
20:47 jcamins               The bread I baked yesterday is absolutely perfect.
20:47 gmcharlt              heh
20:47 jcamins               It's going to be *amazing* French toast.
20:47 SpaceLibrarian_home   hmmmmm.... french toast.
20:47 coryj                 Dooo-eeet!
20:47 ibeardslee            I might end up picking up some fresh bread and eggs on the way hme
20:47 jcamins               Gee, you were all so helpful at talking me out of French toast for breakfast.
20:46 cait                  so you should have them :)
20:45 jcamins               But I've been thinking about French toast all day.
20:45 jcamins               I was going to have French toast for breakfast, but Shari -- very unusually -- voluntarily suggested omelets, so we had omelets.
20:45 ibeardslee            should be no reason not to then
20:45 nengard               can't help then cause i love breakfast for dinner
20:45 * jcamins             has maple syrup.
20:45 nengard               hehe
20:44 ibeardslee            only if you don't have maple syrup to go with it
20:44 jcamins               nengard: no.
20:44 nengard               did that work? :)
20:44 gmcharlt              jcamins: I'm a big fan of breakfast for any meal, so ... no help from me ;)
20:44 coryj                 jcamins: I think that is a splendid idea
20:44 nengard               jcamins, if you're not coming to give me some too then you can't serve french toast for dinner
20:44 jcamins               Someone talk me out of serving French toast for dinner.
20:44 coryj                 Yeah, we have librarians that serve multiple branches too who would be quite annoyed.
20:44 nengard               okay I report that as a bug then
20:44 gmcharlt              and it is a bug for them
20:44 nengard               right?
20:44 gmcharlt              yeah
20:43 nengard               for them it would be a bug
20:43 nengard               that shouldn't be there for super librarians ... i would think
20:43 gmcharlt              in some circumstances that could be construed as a bug
20:43 gmcharlt              ...
20:43 gmcharlt              if indybranches is turned on, it effectively adds a filter to the user session's current branch
20:43 nengard               gmcharlt++
20:43 nengard               I must have turned it on to test something and forgot to turn it back off
20:43 nengard               you're awesome :) thanks
20:43 nengard               it worked
20:43 gmcharlt              nengard: ok, there's your answer
20:42 nengard               gmcharlt it was!!!
20:42 nengard               gmcharlt, shoudln't be ... let me go look
20:42 gmcharlt              nengard: hmm, is indybranches turned on in that database by any chance?
20:42 nengard               well I know  i have 4121 but maybe not 6000
20:42 jcamins               Okay. Just checking.
20:42 nengard               yes :)
20:41 jcamins               nengard: you checked to make sure that those records are really there, right?
20:40 nengard               and i get a blank marc file
20:40 nengard               that's what i have
20:39 nengard               http://screencast.com/t/xoONp6IE
20:39 gmcharlt              doing it by bib number shoudl work, but only if none of those other filters are selected
20:39 gmcharlt              will only pull in bibs that are linked to items
20:39 gmcharlt              if library, call number, itemtype, or date range is selected as the filter
20:38 nengard               and that didn't work either
20:38 nengard               right - that i assumed, but I tried to do it using bib numbers
20:38 gmcharlt              nengard: correct; if the bibs have no items, they would not be selected by date range, since it's presently looking for the item dateaccessioned
20:36 nengard               gmcharlt, i don't understand what you mean ... i have 800 bib records with no items (holdings) does that mean I can't export the bibs?
20:36 wizzyrea              hmm
20:36 gmcharlt              nengard: it's querying the items directly, not the copy of the items in the bib MARC
20:35 nengard               but i think the date range is in the item record and my records don't have items
20:35 nengard               i tried bib number range and date range
20:34 nengard               i keep getting an empty file when i try to export
20:33 nengard               has anyone used the marc export tool in 3.4?
20:32 SpaceLibrarian_home   yeah... it is.
20:30 rangi                 interesting is good
20:28 SpaceLibrarian_home   but it was interesting.
20:27 SpaceLibrarian_home   there were 3 of us...
20:27 rangi                 how was the meeting?
20:26 SpaceLibrarian_home   morning rangi.
20:26 rangi                 back
20:25 SpaceLibrarian_home   hey! :)
20:24 wizzyrea              Space_Librarian: mornin :)
20:24 cait                  morning SpaceLibrarian_home
20:14 adnc                  ;)
20:11 rangi                 brb my stop
20:10 rangi                 adnc: unless you can find us a client who wants to pay for packaging :)
20:10 rangi                 gotta be done round the edges of client work though
20:09 rangi                 the missing dependency is packaged now, so its just dealing with the upgrade from 3.2 and items data moving to go
20:07 adnc                  rangi, thanks
20:07 rangi                 adnc: its in progress, we will certainly announce it when it is ready
20:05 jcamins               But, if we didn't, yes, it should be.
20:05 jcamins               oleonard: I thought we added it.
20:04 adnc                  any news to debian packaged koha 3.4?
20:04 oleonard              ?
20:04 oleonard              So that should be part of install_misc/ubuntu.packages
20:03 jcamins               sudo apt-get install libbusiness-isbn-perl
20:03 oleonard              I'm getting "prerequisite Business::ISBN 2.05 not fount" after doing 'perl Makefile.PL'. Ubuntu.
20:01 rangi                 and should be ubuntu oleonard
20:01 rangi                 its in squeeze
20:01 jcamins               oleonard: not you. Responding to the mailing list.
20:01 rangi                 heh
20:01 jcamins               Someone didn't read INSTALL.whatever.
20:00 * cait                waves to rangi and oleonard
19:59 oleonard              Hey, is Business::ISBN something that we have to get from CPAN?
19:59 oleonard              No, not when we first met
19:58 rangi                 I think when we first met she wasn't born eh?
19:58 rangi                 ohh 7
19:57 rangi                 ata is 2 end of may
19:56 oleonard              Need to start thinking about what my 7-year-old is going to do with her summer
19:54 wizzyrea              <3
19:54 oleonard              Littlest just turned two yesterday
19:53 rangi                 hey owen, how's the family?
19:52 * rangi               is happy to see fmarier working on koha features :)
19:51 oleonard              Hi rangi
19:51 rangi                 morning
19:26 HBankhead             white walker, one of "the others"
19:19 oleonard              Ghost walking by?
19:19 coryj                 jcamins: A disturbance in the force?
19:18 jcamins               Wow, it just got *really* cold.
19:18 coryj                 http://icanhascheezburger.com/2011/04/20/funny-pictures-you-have-some-overdue/
19:18 coryj                 Hmm... going to have to modify the opac screen to show this if you have overdues:
19:11 cait                  and he is gone again
19:11 * slef                runs to get dinner
19:11 coryj                 hehe
19:10 slef                  oh crikey
19:10 coryj                 now that you mention it, slef...
19:10 slef                  hi again cait
19:10 cait                  :)
19:10 cait                  and hi slef
19:10 cait                  have not investigated it
19:08 slef                  timelinex doesn't come with LinEx or even any linux? Isnt that an advertising standards offence? ;-)
19:03 coryj                 too even
19:03 coryj                 No prob.  If I didn't have Linux on it I'd be sorry to. ;)
19:02 cait                  no, I am sorry
19:02 coryj                 I don't suppose you have Linux on that?
19:01 cait                  we have one of the smaller models at work - using it for long train rides and writing protocols mostly
19:00 cait                  acer timelinex models are said to have a long battery life
18:56 oleonard              My Thinkpad does better than 2.5 hours on a charge, but it certainly can't compare to a MacBook
18:56 coryj                 Nothing like getting into the 2nd session of a conference and having your battery die with no outlets anywehere in the room.
18:56 jcamins               But, the alternative was actually buying a new computer.
18:55 * jcamins             used his wife's old Thinkpad for several years. Hated it.
18:55 coryj                 My prev laptop was a Thinkpad.  I got about 2.5 hrs on a charge <thumbs down>
18:55 oleonard              I have a fairly new Thinkpad which I like pretty well but which doesn't have great battery life
18:54 jcamins               Lots of people swear by Thinkpads.
18:53 coryj                 Don't need the TSA searching my carry-on to find out why it is smoking
18:53 jcamins               That's why I went with a MacBook Pro.
18:53 jcamins               coryj: I know. Otherwise I would've recommended it.
18:53 oleonard              Picky picky.
18:52 coryj                 Non-melting needs to be a key feature
18:51 jcamins               I *loved* my Fujitsu, until the power port melted.
18:51 jcamins               coryj: I like my Macbook Pro. But rangi will mock you if you buy one.
18:46 coryj                 And I was hoping someone was really happy with theirs (even full size as long as the battery life is ok.)
18:46 coryj                 I like the acer KB layout on the Aspire.  But that's a pretty old model now.
18:46 coryj                 Every time I go to hit the right shift I arrow up instead.
18:45 coryj                 lol
18:45 jcamins               Oh. Well, never mind then.
18:45 coryj                 I have an eeePC I HATE because of where they place the keys
18:45 jcamins               coryj: my wife has an eeePC which I'm kind of jealous of.
18:45 gmcharlt              [off] are pinko commie open source zealots even eligible for clearances? ;)
18:45 coryj                 I hate asking... but do any of you have a notebook/netbook with good battery life that is decent for coding use?
18:44 jcamins               [off] Unless I'm involved in the conversation, in which case you might have your chances of security clearance ruined by proximity. ;)
18:43 oleonard              [off] Purple monkey dishwasher
18:43 gmcharlt              well, practically speaking, no reason to worry at all
18:43 wizzyrea              [off] same here. Truthfully, it's going over the internet so if they want it, they can have it. But, not being on the record at least means that they have to sift it out of the rest of the random internet traffic, instead of being able to just go to the log and read it. Not that there's any reason to really worry about it (or is there?)
18:42 * jcamins             [off] is cultivating an air of mystery.
18:42 * gmcharlt            is just following wizzyrea's trend ;)
18:42 jcamins               [off] I don't know. It seemed the thing to do.
18:41 oleonard              Are we all afraid [off] the TSA reading the IRC log?
18:40 jcamins               [off] I'm not looking forward to my flight to Budapest. I'm hoping being all glowy will make the USian security guards less surly.
18:39 coryj                 [off] glad I drove.  Don't have the nerves for that.
18:36 wizzyrea              I thought I was going to miss it
18:36 wizzyrea              I was in a hurry to get through in madison
18:36 wizzyrea              they did catch my shoes though
18:36 wizzyrea              hmm
18:36 gmcharlt              [off] same here flying up
18:35 wizzyrea              [off] and they didn't stop me
18:35 wizzyrea              [off] I actually accidentally went through security with my baggie still in my bag
18:34 oleonard              wizzyrea: You'll have to come and collect my brain yourself. How does a brain in a jar get on a plane with more than 3 oz. of liquid anyway? Doctor's note?
18:33 jwagner               oleonard, I dunno, but you gave me enough of a lead to get it worked out.  Thanks!
18:32 wizzyrea              maybe next year :)
18:32 wizzyrea              we missed you though, oleonard
18:32 wizzyrea              woot gmcharlt made it :)
18:32 * gmcharlt            waves from home
18:32 wizzyrea              conf wasn't bad for a first try
18:32 wizzyrea              yepper
18:31 oleonard              Back on home turf wizzyrea?
18:31 wizzyrea              :) yea, he emailed me
18:30 oleonard              Hi wizzyrea. slef was looking for you earlier.
18:30 * wizzyrea            waves
18:25 oleonard              So the question is why did it work for me and not for you.
18:23 jwagner               Sorry, to clarify, your syntax does count from zero -- this syntax counts from one
18:21 jwagner               It does count from zero
18:21 jwagner               That jquery thing, I couldn't get it to work with your syntax, but did with this: $("select[name='multibranchlimit'] option:second").attr("selected","selected");
18:20 oleonard              Yes
18:20 jwagner               oleonard, online?
17:27 freebe                no, I am starting the webinstaller. Starting the web installer it when it fails
17:27 cait                  are you past the webinstaller?
17:26 cait                  I am not sure it's a bug
17:26 freebe                Maybe there is a fix for this in the Git tree?
17:26 cait                  hm
17:26 freebe                Yes, I think all the modules are installed
17:26 freebe                tar.gz and following INSTALL instructions
17:25 cait                  are all modules installed?
17:25 cait                  how did you install koha?
17:25 freebe                Is this a bug?
17:24 freebe                Software error: Can't call method "id" on an undefined value at InstallAuth.pm line 279.
17:24 freebe                Installing Koha 3.4.0 I get
17:24 druthb                o/
17:11 * cait                waves to slef
17:01 coryj                 Right now, if I do a title search for "amp" I get anything with an ampersand in the name.
16:59 coryj                 Fair enough, but is their a recommended search setup for zebra?
16:58 slef                  bbl
16:58 slef                  depends how you do the search, how zebra is configured, and so on
16:56 coryj                 So, if I do a title search, should it be matching against the value in biblioitems.marcxml(tag 245.a) or should it be searching biblio.title ?
16:48 coryj                 ok.  hm.  Just looked in biblio table and it is correct there
16:47 slef                  XSL Template?
16:47 slef                  can't have bare & in XML
16:47 slef                  oh well, it'll be escaped in the XML
16:46 coryj                 hrm...  That is where I was looking.. marcxml column in biblioitems
16:46 coryj                 thought so.  Vendor's fix was to stop escaping in the template... not to correct the data.
16:46 slef                  it would also be escaped in marcxml but I forget which table that is in
16:45 slef                  yeah
16:45 coryj                 Should be escaped on display, right?
16:45 slef                  that sounds like the wrong point for it to happen :-/
16:44 coryj                 During an import is it normal for ampersands (&) in titles to be converted to &amp; before being written to biblioitems?
16:40 slef                  hi cait
16:31 Brooke                0/
16:31 cait                  hi #koha
16:21 kmkale                bye all. good night
16:19 slef                  oleonard: bleah. Still think I'll email :)
16:18 jwagner               OK, I'll try that -- thanks!
16:18 oleonard              Yes, possibly starting from 0, possibly from 1. Don't remember the rule.
16:17 jwagner               Where the eq(3) is the numbre of the item I want selected?
16:17 Brooke                0/
16:15 oleonard              $("#masthead_search option").eq(3).attr("selected","selected");
16:15 jwagner               and variations on the theme
16:14 jwagner               I've tried things like $("select[name='multibranchlimit'] option:second").selected;
16:12 jwagner               Yes, it does
16:11 oleonard              Does the <select> have a unique id?
16:10 jwagner               No, it's defaulting to the first one in the list
16:10 oleonard              jwagner: Does the <select> already have an <option> with the "selected" attribute
16:08 jwagner               Not the pulldown I'm working on, but similar to making the masthead search default to Title rather than the first Library Catalog entry
16:08 jwagner               oleonard, got time for a jquery question? I'm trying to make the second item in a pulldown list be selected automatically, and can't quite work out the syntax
16:06 huginn                Brooke: The operation succeeded.  Quote #131 added.
16:06 Brooke                @quote add oleonard "Yeah, huginn. Perv."
16:04 jcamins               Doesn't she also have a separate nick for her phone?
16:04 oleonard              Yeah, huginn. Perv.
16:04 Brooke                stalk much? ;)
16:03 huginn                oleonard: wizzyrea_away was last seen in #koha 2 days, 0 hours, 35 minutes, and 7 seconds ago: <wizzyrea_away> :)
16:03 oleonard              @seen wizzyrea_away
16:03 huginn                jcamins: wizzyrea_away was last seen in #koha 2 days, 0 hours, 35 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: <wizzyrea_away> :)
16:03 jcamins               @seen wizzyrea_away
16:03 huginn                oleonard: wizzyrea_ was last seen in #koha 20 hours, 9 minutes, and 52 seconds ago: <wizzyrea_> dev cycle too
16:03 oleonard              @seen wizzyrea_
16:03 huginn                oleonard: wizzyrea` was last seen in #koha 1 day, 20 hours, 52 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: <wizzyrea`> bbinasec
16:03 oleonard              @seen wizzyrea`
16:02 huginn                slef: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 4 days, 20 hours, 7 minutes, and 57 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> don't apologize, gotta do what you gotta do :)
16:02 slef                  @seen wizzyrea
15:52 slef                  I think there's a leet-speek filter in a debian package somewhere
15:51 * Brooke              doesn't even make the bar for script kiddie.
15:51 jcamins               No wonder I couldn't tell.
15:51 Brooke                heh NOT
15:51 jcamins               Ah.
15:51 slef                  Brooke is so 'leet
15:51 slef                  woot
15:51 Brooke                it's 1337 for woot
15:51 Brooke                that's not a smiley
15:51 Brooke                heh
15:50 jcamins               \/\/00+
15:50 jcamins               I've been trying to figure it out for 7 minutes, and I just haven't the foggiest idea what it's supposed to represent.
15:50 wahanui               i guess which one is it
15:50 Brooke                which one?
15:50 jcamins               Brooke: what on earth was that smiley earlier?
15:47 Brooke                0/
15:46 oleonard              Honestly lately I feel like the interface janitor rather than someone who is doing any interesting work. I think Catalyst is doing some really nice OPAC stuff lately
15:46 kmkale                Namaste slef
15:45 slef                  hi #koha. I hope you're having a better day than me :)
15:44 kmkale                oleonard: I am lining up dedicated bandwidth and couple of projectors so you can be seen as well as the presentatiobn
15:44 Brooke                \/\/00+
15:43 oleonard              Sure, I'll think about it
15:43 Brooke                think about it, pretty please?
15:43 oleonard              Thanks kmkale
15:42 * Brooke              points out that they're more satisfying than naught.
15:42 kmkale                oleonard: something from you is better than nothing
15:42 oleonard              kmkale: I hesitate to do so just because I don't find remote presentations very enjoyable from an audience member's point of view
15:38 kmkale                :( could you try to do a remote presentation oleonard?
15:38 oleonard              I work for a small public library. Travel within the US is sometimes paid for, but not out of the country.
15:37 kmkale                oleonard: no sponsorship?
15:36 oleonard              I wish I could. I've got three kids at home, so getting away is always difficult. Add to that the expense of travel...
15:35 kmkale                aw oleonard wish you would
15:34 oleonard              Brooke: No, can't afford it
15:33 tcohen                conan, thats good
15:33 conan                 bye now
15:33 conan                 tcohen: I got to go now, but here the chief librarian chose to set 700$e with authorised_values
15:30 Brooke                you going to KohaCon?
15:30 Brooke                hey Owen...
15:08 oleonard              I can't create a CSV profile in master. Can anyone confirm?
15:04 * SpaceLibrarian_home waves.
15:04 Brooke                night babe
15:04 SpaceLibrarian_home   And on that note. Good night/morning/etc/etc see you in a few hours...
15:04 * SpaceLibrarian_home misses IPL.
15:04 SpaceLibrarian_home   nice!
15:04 kmkale                Sachin batting :)
15:04 kmkale                mumbai vs pune
15:03 kmkale                good night SpaceLibrarian_home
15:03 SpaceLibrarian_home   Who's playing?
15:03 huginn                Log:            http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-05-04-14.00.log.html
15:03 huginn                Minutes (text): http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-05-04-14.00.txt
15:03 huginn                Minutes:        http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-05-04-14.00.html
15:03 huginn                Meeting ended Wed May  4 15:06:10 2011 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
15:03 Brooke                #endmeeting
15:03 Brooke                scurry
15:03 Brooke                it's closed
15:03 kmkale                I can enjoy the IPL now
15:03 SpaceLibrarian_home   And time for bed, methinks. As soon as Brooke closes this meeting...
15:02 kmkale                :)
15:02 SpaceLibrarian_home   done, I think
15:02 * Brooke              will impose her iron will on the community by means of secret chocolate attacks.
15:02 SpaceLibrarian_home   awesome
15:02 Brooke                k set 2 June 6 UTC
15:01 coryj                 Perhaps hold it the day before but roll forward 16?
15:01 SpaceLibrarian_home   yep
15:01 kmkale                great
15:01 Brooke                right?
15:01 kmkale                then 2nd June 6UTC?
15:01 Brooke                no one's quarreling that
15:01 Brooke                it's 6UTC
15:01 kmkale                aahh great
15:01 SpaceLibrarian_home   we're rolling back
15:01 kmkale                if we are rolling back no probs
15:01 SpaceLibrarian_home   we're not rolling forward
15:00 kmkale                IF we are rolling forward by 8
15:00 SpaceLibrarian_home   at*
15:00 SpaceLibrarian_home   but it's not ayt 3.30am for you
15:00 kmkale                3.30am on a friday morning will ruine my workday ;)
15:00 SpaceLibrarian_home   yep
15:00 Brooke                wasn't the 3rd bad for spacelibrarian?
15:00 SpaceLibrarian_home   and thurs is bad because?
14:59 kmkale                but the i'd prefer 3rd cause then 4rth is a saturday
14:59 Brooke                any last minute objections that I shall ruthlessly ignore, pinning the blame on gmcharlt?
14:59 Brooke                settled at 6UTC 2nd June
14:59 SpaceLibrarian_home   :)
14:59 kmkale                if you can SpaceLibrarian_home so can I
14:59 gmcharlt              considering the geographic, I'm happy to accommodate any time the others want
14:58 SpaceLibrarian_home   6UTC it is.
14:58 SpaceLibrarian_home   ouch. yeah. we wont' go there.
14:58 Brooke                now if there were howls from gmcharlt, they'd be valid.
14:58 kmkale                rooling forward 8hrs is 3.30 am for me :(
14:58 SpaceLibrarian_home   slef isn't european, so I dont' count him. UK is separate...
14:58 Brooke                which is why I have a strict "Screw Brooke" policy
14:58 Brooke                right
14:58 SpaceLibrarian_home   there weren't any Europeans present anyway.
14:57 SpaceLibrarian_home   he did
14:57 Brooke                I believe thd complained for the Europeans actually.
14:57 SpaceLibrarian_home   yeah, they can complain when it's not prime time for them
14:57 SpaceLibrarian_home   and rolling forward 8 hours?
14:57 kmkale                and this time none of them are around
14:57 kmkale                ;)
14:57 kmkale                and the Europeans complained
14:57 Brooke                sounds good
14:57 kmkale                we did that last time though
14:57 SpaceLibrarian_home   aye
14:56 kmkale                2nd June 6.00 UTC?
14:56 Brooke                if the time suits the most participants, I just have to ttfu
14:56 SpaceLibrarian_home   lol
14:56 Brooke                which is why you all should just say "Screw Brooke" and be done with it
14:56 kmkale                good for me
14:56 SpaceLibrarian_home   6pm for NZ, 4 for east Aus
14:56 SpaceLibrarian_home   roll back 8 hours
14:55 kmkale                lets set a good time for NZ and AU this time
14:55 SpaceLibrarian_home   Now whisky... yes.
14:55 SpaceLibrarian_home   I like 2nd.
14:55 kmkale                2nd is good too
14:54 Brooke                it's cool, we'll just have to set you up with Tariq or summat.
14:54 SpaceLibrarian_home   with a roll back of 8 hours?
14:54 SpaceLibrarian_home   How's the 2nd?
14:54 kmkale                oops again
14:54 SpaceLibrarian_home   beer and I don't really like each other
14:54 SpaceLibrarian_home   :)
14:54 Brooke                those words don't make sense in that order.
14:54 SpaceLibrarian_home   no often anyway
14:54 gmcharlt              ah, sorry for assuming
14:53 * Brooke              gasps.
14:53 SpaceLibrarian_home   gmcharlt: I don't actually drink.
14:53 Brooke                so you pick a time for next time :P
14:53 SpaceLibrarian_home   possibly*
14:53 gmcharlt              SpaceLibrarian_home: on the other hand, how many business meetings do you get to participate in with a beer in hand?
14:53 Brooke                you got screwed this time
14:53 SpaceLibrarian_home   posswibly crueller than 2am on a Thursday morning
14:53 Brooke                how about
14:53 SpaceLibrarian_home   6pm on a Friday is cruel though
14:52 SpaceLibrarian_home   yeah, guess I can do that
14:52 SpaceLibrarian_home   6pm
14:52 SpaceLibrarian_home   hmmmm
14:52 SpaceLibrarian_home   can do that.
14:52 Brooke                roll it back 8 hours?
14:51 SpaceLibrarian_home   should be fine for me, depending on the time selected
14:51 kmkale_               :)
14:51 SpaceLibrarian_home   3rd June's a Friday...
14:51 SpaceLibrarian_home   nice for some. :)
14:51 kmkale_               nope its 8.23pm
14:51 kmkale_               how about 3rd June?
14:50 SpaceLibrarian_home   not quite midnight for you, is it, kmkale_?
14:50 SpaceLibrarian_home   good question
14:50 Brooke                so, I think you should screw me in perpetuity, seeing as how it's an Indian conference and this time is hella inconvenient for y'all
14:49 Brooke                #topic time and date of next meeting
14:49 kmkale_               :))
14:49 SpaceLibrarian_home   lol
14:49 Brooke                hehehe
14:49 wahanui               anything else is reinventing the wheel.
14:49 SpaceLibrarian_home   anything else?
14:49 Brooke                yep
14:49 kmkale_               :)
14:48 SpaceLibrarian_home   yep
14:48 kmkale_               we still here?
14:46 kmkale_               ping
14:45 kmkale_               yes gmcharlt please do make it :)
14:45 SpaceLibrarian_home   will do what I can, kmkale_. I thought slef was going to do some spreading the word as well...
14:45 gmcharlt              :)
14:45 Brooke                certainly the little Missus would like to see the Taj Mahal, too.
14:44 Brooke                you surely want to make mischief in India.
14:44 kmkale_               SpaceLibrarian_home: wanna take that task up? please?
14:44 Brooke                ah go on Galen
14:44 gmcharlt              kmkale_: yes to a paper, not sure yet about whether I'm attending
14:44 SpaceLibrarian_home   and promoting KohaConf as a worthwhile conf to go to...
14:44 kmkale_               gmcharlt: how about you? Are you attending? if yes a paper?
14:44 gmcharlt              cool; I suggest promoting that option (up to a point, in my experience too many remote presentations would get tedious for the audience)
14:44 SpaceLibrarian_home   more like promoting conf to get papers...
14:43 Brooke                #topic back to papers
14:43 kmkale_               gmcharlt: yes
14:43 gmcharlt              i.e., people skyping in?
14:43 SpaceLibrarian_home   twitter, etc, etc
14:43 SpaceLibrarian_home   And air time - it needs to be seen more on the lists and boards, etc
14:43 gmcharlt              kmkale_: regarding papers, is remote delivery an option?
14:43 kmkale_               yep but two months have already gone by since we started
14:43 SpaceLibrarian_home   especially for flights, etc
14:43 SpaceLibrarian_home   Close for papers should be moved earlier
14:42 Brooke                close for papers is in like august though
14:42 SpaceLibrarian_home   You'll be getting an abstract in the same vein as Brooke's from me in the next day or so.
14:42 kmkale_               air time? how?
14:42 SpaceLibrarian_home   The KohaConf needs to be getting more air time to get the papers.
14:42 kmkale_               I want to a some good stuff on future features like from Brooke and some solid technical papers too
14:41 SpaceLibrarian_home   and you need to make it inclusive or you won't get the numbers
14:41 Brooke                I wouldn't oppose tracking that, though
14:41 kmkale_               so Koha people better start cooming up with papers and presentations
14:41 tcohen                so we can treat it in the UI as needed ?
14:41 Brooke                I <3 academic stuff, but I'd argue it's not a close fit to the community at large.
14:41 SpaceLibrarian_home   it's heading in that direction, kmkale_
14:41 * Brooke              rebels against the thought of that.
14:40 kmkale_               else it WILL be a full on academic conference
14:40 tcohen                is it reasonable that the $e field (e.g. for 700 field) be selected from a list of authorized values?
14:40 kmkale_               so we need to assert what kinda conference we want
14:40 SpaceLibrarian_home   it's shaping up to be a very academic library conf.
14:40 SpaceLibrarian_home   because the way this is looking
14:40 kmkale_               cause VPM is an old academic institution
14:40 * SpaceLibrarian_home agrees
14:40 * Brooke              nods
14:40 kmkale_               Brooke: do we want a full on hardcore academic conference? is a key question
14:39 tcohen                (at least for MARC21)
14:39 tcohen                there exists a list of Marc codes for relators
14:39 kmkale_               keeps it upto date with the stable releases
14:39 tcohen                have a question for librarians
14:39 kmkale_               with DSPACE and more stuff clubbed in
14:38 SpaceLibrarian_home   Brooke raises a good point
14:38 tcohen                hi #koha
14:38 kmkale_               he keeps publishing a Koha livecd too
14:38 Brooke                do we want a full on hardcore academic conference?
14:38 gmcharlt              cool
14:38 kmkale_               Oh yes gmcharlt
14:38 gmcharlt              kmkale_: does he know OSS?
14:37 SpaceLibrarian_home   good idea.
14:37 kmkale_               a leading figure in LIS circles in India
14:37 kmkale_               He is
14:36 SpaceLibrarian_home   He's quite the academic lis heavyweight from the looks of things.
14:36 wahanui               gmcharlt: I forgot he
14:36 gmcharlt              wahanui: forget he
14:35 wahanui               he is picky
14:35 Brooke                who's he?
14:35 kmkale_               Haven't contacted him yet though
14:35 kmkale_               We have one candidate in mind Dr ARD Prasad http://drtc.isibang.ac.in/DRTC/ardcv.html
14:34 SpaceLibrarian_home   I still think Jo would be fantastic.
14:33 Brooke                the welcome was listed as Chris and Paul
14:32 Brooke                hang on I'll check
14:32 Brooke                could have been Chris?
14:32 Brooke                Paul mebbe?
14:32 kmkale_               and before that?
14:32 Brooke                Rosa
14:32 kmkale_               WHo did keynote last time in NZ?
14:30 SpaceLibrarian_home   okay.
14:30 kmkale_               but yes if we get the targetted amount
14:30 SpaceLibrarian_home   do you have an idea as to who to ask?
14:30 SpaceLibrarian_home   hmmmm....
14:30 kmkale_               SpaceLibrarian_home: not as of now
14:30 SpaceLibrarian_home   and will you have sponsorship for whomever?
14:30 kmkale_               still here
14:29 SpaceLibrarian_home   keynote. ideas?
14:29 SpaceLibrarian_home   yes.
14:29 SpaceLibrarian_home   bookstores too
14:29 Brooke                #topic keynote
14:29 Brooke                restaurants might not be a bad pull if you know
14:29 kmkale_               what about keynote?
14:28 Brooke                way to go
14:28 Brooke                realised that when you totted things up
14:28 SpaceLibrarian_home   lovely
14:28 kmkale_               Brooke: no its 100000INR they are a co-operative store
14:27 kmkale_               Have done initial mailing to done, but must do personal follow up to get money :)
14:26 kmkale_               also lining up some libraries and companies here in India
14:26 kmkale_               now I'll follow up with then individually
14:26 * SpaceLibrarian_home agrees
14:26 kmkale_               I have sent mails to *ALL* registered Koha suppport vendors on K-C site
14:25 SpaceLibrarian_home   3.2k USD
14:25 * Brooke              shamelessly points out that you're still missing Equinox, libriotech, and a host of others
14:25 kmkale_               so gotta go after that too
14:25 kmkale_               not counting in sponsorship for keynote
14:24 kmkale_               we need about three times that amount
14:24 kmkale_               that makes for about 145000 INR
14:24 kmkale_               and another commitment of INR 15000 from catalyst
14:24 kmkale_               We have a commitment of INR 30000 from biblibre
14:24 Brooke                misplaced 0 or generous benefactor?
14:24 SpaceLibrarian_home   2.8k NZD/ 2.24kUSD
14:23 kmkale_               bad net connection
14:23 kmkale_               oops
14:22 SpaceLibrarian_home   so sponsorship. yes
14:22 Brooke                #topic sponsorship
14:22 SpaceLibrarian_home   yep maybe.
14:21 Brooke                shall I change the topic?
14:21 Brooke                oi
14:21 kmkale                we have INR 100000 from Bharat Grahak
14:21 kmkale                sponsorship is again something I intend to do follow up of one on one this month
14:20 * SpaceLibrarian_home makes a note to send kmkale more conf lists in the morning.
14:20 SpaceLibrarian_home   right. I'm still needing to give you a list of conference alert sites, aren't I?
14:19 kmkale                no still talking about getting more papers
14:19 SpaceLibrarian_home   do you have sponsorship available for a keynote?
14:19 Brooke                have we moved on to keynote then?
14:19 kmkale                any candidates?
14:18 kmkale                I have been away a lot last month on unrelated projects but this month I intend to start following up with people individually for presentations
14:18 huginn                gmcharlt: Quote #6: "gmcharlt: kf: hold requests are a plot to sell more aspirin ;)" (added by wizzyrea at 04:13 PM, June 16, 2009)
14:18 gmcharlt              @quote random
14:18 kmkale                ask for "background, context and aim of talk."
14:17 SpaceLibrarian_home   will make streaming them/evaluating them easier
14:17 SpaceLibrarian_home   yep
14:17 kmkale                ok. So I'll write to each of the 4 asking for beefed up abstracts shall I?
14:17 Brooke                it's much easier to do 400.
14:17 Brooke                250 is the number all of those wicked, naughty grant reviewers ask for.
14:16 * Brooke              nods
14:16 SpaceLibrarian_home   min*
14:16 SpaceLibrarian_home   mon 250, max 400
14:16 kmkale                or minimum 400?
14:16 kmkale                so minimum 200 words and max 400?
14:15 SpaceLibrarian_home   you may want to...
14:15 kmkale                should I put that as a requirement on the page for paper submissions?
14:15 SpaceLibrarian_home   it certainly forces you to think about your presentation...
14:14 kmkale                400 words
14:14 kmkale                good idea.
14:13 kmkale                #action kmkale to ask for beefing up of the abstract from "INFORMATION LITERACY AND LIBRARY AND INFORMATION SCIENCE" authors
14:13 SpaceLibrarian_home   May be a good idea here...
14:13 SpaceLibrarian_home   most conf abstracts I"ve been writing for ask for about 400 words. Gives you background, context and aim of talk.
14:13 kmkale                ok
14:13 Brooke                also aye
14:12 * SpaceLibrarian_home agrees
14:12 Brooke                aye
14:12 kmkale                ok should I revert to them asking to beef it up?
14:12 kmkale                but till we have a full program lets keep posters in the wings
14:12 SpaceLibrarian_home   the first one - info lit is *very* light on abscract content....
14:12 kmkale                we will ask posters if we have too many papers
14:11 Brooke                but might be interesting enough to give it a shot or slot
14:11 Brooke                where it might not quite fit the mood
14:11 Brooke                and that could be summat to keep in mind for stuff like taht
14:11 Brooke                we've not had posters before
14:11 kmkale                Must say I like three out of these four one exception being "Optimising ICT Potentials for Integrating Africa in the Global Scientific Information Systems: A Case of Open Access Movement" can't see significant co-relation to Koha or Libraries
14:10 SpaceLibrarian_home   *r
14:09 SpaceLibrarian_home   well, from here we can see there are *clearly* emeging themes here.
14:09 SpaceLibrarian_home   what she said....
14:09 Brooke                depends. Scarily usually not.
14:08 kmkale                present company included?
14:08 * SpaceLibrarian_home agrees
14:08 kmkale                :)
14:08 * Brooke              points out that speakers are horrible procrastinators.
14:08 kmkale                afterall can't get too much from the abstract
14:08 SpaceLibrarian_home   nope
14:08 Brooke                oof no
14:08 kmkale                or shall we just ask everyone to send in the full presentation and then review it?
14:07 * kmkale              has no experience at this reviewing stuff
14:07 SpaceLibrarian_home   do we have guidelines?
14:07 * SpaceLibrarian_home will review work that's not her pending submission.
14:07 kmkale                :)
14:07 * Brooke              will clearly not be reviewing her own work.
14:06 Brooke                cheers
14:06 SpaceLibrarian_home   like the abstract, Brooke
14:06 Brooke                get the abstracts to wrap properly first off XD
14:06 kmkale                ok what do we do about these? Who does the reviewing?
14:05 pastebot              "kmkale" at 115.241.129.42 pasted "Paper submission 4" (6 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/33
14:05 pastebot              "kmkale" at 115.241.129.42 pasted "Paper submission 3" (11 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/32
14:04 pastebot              "kmkale" at 115.241.129.42 pasted "Paper submission 2" (6 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/31
14:04 pastebot              "kmkale" at 115.241.129.42 pasted "Paper submission 1" (10 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/30
14:03 kmkale                i'll paste whats been submitted so far
14:02 kmkale                give me a min
14:02 SpaceLibrarian_home   how are the numbers looking?
14:01 Brooke                #topic paper submission
14:01 Brooke                movin' on
14:01 kmkale                Thats it. Just the three of us here?
13:59 SpaceLibrarian_home   Shelley Gurney, Catalyst IT, NZ
13:58 kmkale                kmkale: Koustubha Kale Anant Corporation, VPM Thane, Granthalaya.org
13:57 Brooke                prolly know who we are but go for it
13:57 Brooke                #topic introductions
13:57 huginn                Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.
13:57 huginn                Meeting started Wed May  4 14:00:05 2011 UTC.  The chair is Brooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
13:57 Brooke                #startmeeting
13:57 Brooke                yeah sure fine
13:57 Brooke                oh gods.
13:56 kmkale                Brooke: you wanna chair this?
13:56 SpaceLibrarian_home   Brooke: :p
13:55 * Brooke              zips the lip so she doesn't get in trouble.
13:55 kmkale                SpaceLibrarian_home:++
13:55 SpaceLibrarian_home   yep
13:55 kmkale                Wow
13:55 SpaceLibrarian_home   See? I said I'd get up in the middle of the night for you guys. :) Just going 2am here
13:55 kmkale                whats your local time SpaceLibrarian_home ?
13:55 * SpaceLibrarian_home gratefully takes the coffee.
13:54 * SpaceLibrarian_home waves tiredly back
13:54 * Brooke              hands her a flat white or 3.
13:54 * Brooke              waves to SpaceLibrarian
13:53 kmkale                BRB
13:51 Brooke                ice cream for breakfast, mum would totally approve.
13:45 Brooke                0/
13:45 magnuse               e
13:45 magnuse               kia ora Brook
13:45 Brooke                :)
13:45 kmkale                hey Brooke
13:42 Brooke                kia ora
13:39 nengard               magnuse it has been "coming soon" for a long time  now :)
13:32 magnuse               i think the new groups on youtube was "coming soon"...
13:32 nengard               there is the bywater chanel on blip.tv that has all of my tutorial videos, but that's just a fraction of what's out there
13:31 nengard               youtube said that groups were coming back ... but i haven't seen anything like that happening
13:31 magnuse               yeah, i remember...
13:31 nengard               not ideal at all
13:31 nengard               so the best thing to do i guess is  just search for koha on youtube :(
13:31 magnuse               oops, guess that's post, not a page... never mind...
13:31 nengard               youtube got rid of the groups
13:30 magnuse               nengard: this page needs an update: http://koha-community.org/koha-videos-online/ not sure what the best source for videos is these days?
12:46 * oleonard            fires up his 3.2.x installation
12:46 kf                    oleonard: and 2 call number columns?
12:45 kf                    now they all are hiding
12:44 druthb                Will the real kmkale please stand up?
12:38 kf                    it also says reservation and the table looks all wrong
12:37 oleonard              The URL shows a biblionumber but no title appears, and no items
12:37 kf                    that looks strange
12:37 kf                    had not seen the second one
12:37 kf                    oh yes
12:37 oleonard              http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/file/n4369713/reserve_2.jpg
12:37 oleonard              More curious is the second screenshot
12:36 oleonard              I see it also says "Catalogue"
12:36 oleonard              His template would have to be very old to have that link say "reserve" though
12:35 oleonard              kf: True.
12:34 kf                    if he hwas not updated the template files after updating koha this could lead to strange problems
12:34 kf                    I think we killed all reserves
12:34 kf                    I see the mail on the list - place on reserve - possible he uses not the en language pack?
12:34 oleonard              Yes
12:34 kf                    oleonard: around?
12:31 druthb                Three kmkales!  woooooo!
12:27 fmarier_              anyways, have a good day, I'm signing off
12:26 magnuse               hehe
12:26 fmarier_              no worries. i thought i should send you the link before i go to bed otherwise i won't remember in the morning :)
12:25 magnuse               fmarier_: wow, thanks for the tip! ;-)
12:24 druthb                o/
12:23 fmarier_              ^^^ someone just released their Debian packaging tutorial
12:23 fmarier_              magnuse: i just saw this on Debian Planet: http://www.lucas-nussbaum.net/blog/?p=676
12:23 fmarier_              hi oleonard :)
12:22 oleonard              Hi fmarier_
12:21 * kmkale              waves at kf
12:21 huginn                kf: Quote #47: "pianohacker bah, go collision attack the front of a moving car" (added by brendan at 10:15 PM, November 16, 2009)
12:21 kf                    @quote random
12:20 kf                    hi kmkale and conan
12:16 huginn                kmkale: Quote #25: "<wizzyrea> ha, in #koha we don't pick each other's brains... we git pull them." (added by gmcharlt at 07:40 PM, August 14, 2009)
12:16 kmkale                @quote random
11:36 conan                 good morning all
11:31 Oak                   \o
11:27 kf                    thx gmcharlt
11:27 kf                    it does :)
11:27 kf                    oh, yes
11:27 * gmcharlt            is running away to board an airplane
11:27 gmcharlt              yeah, I think there are different sounds
11:27 kf                    testing a little now :)
11:26 kf                    I was not sure if there were different soudns perhaps
11:26 huginn                04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1080 enhancement, P2, ---, oleonard, RESOLVED FIXED, How about telling the template to make a noise on circulation errors?
11:26 kf                    I found the bug - bug 1080
11:26 gmcharlt              it's meant to signal that Koha has received a barcode scan
11:25 gmcharlt              right
11:25 kf                    not only for errors
11:25 kf                    and now it beeps a lot
11:25 kf                    and first it didn't work for me, but it was a problem with my computr
11:25 kf                    they asked if it iwll make a sound when they try to checkout a not for loan item or return a book with a hold
11:24 kf                    ah, had a library asking for it
11:24 gmcharlt              kf: I've used circ sounds, what's up?
11:24 kmkale                Namaste kf :)
11:21 kf                    someone working with sounds on in circulation?
11:20 kf                    hm
11:08 jcamins               Night.
11:07 gmcharlt              g'night rangi
11:06 rangi                 night all
11:06 rangi                 right sleep time i think
10:58 SpaceLibrarian_home   right. be back in a few hours. :)
10:56 SpaceLibrarian_home   rangi: I may be in a little later tomorrow...
10:56 SpaceLibrarian_home   morning gmcharlt
10:56 kmkale                Namaste gmcharlt
10:55 kmkale                Adding a couple of items to the agenda as we speek
10:55 gmcharlt              morning
10:54 SpaceLibrarian_home   that's worth getting up for...
10:54 kmkale                Paper Submission Process
10:54 SpaceLibrarian_home   is there much?
10:54 * kmkale              doesn't have much to discuss :(
10:53 kmkale                so did I :)
10:53 kmkale                in about three hours
10:53 SpaceLibrarian_home   just setting my alarm...
10:53 kmkale                yes SpaceLibrarian_home
10:52 SpaceLibrarian_home   kmkale: the volunteer's meeting is in a few hours, yes?
10:51 huginn                rangi: The operation succeeded.
10:51 rangi                 @later tell gmcharlt i think we need to figure out a new plan for the mta on the wiki
10:49 magnuse               cool
10:48 kmkale                :)
10:48 kmkale                magnuse: to help you understand the pronounciation a bit better it should be spelled Namaskaar and Nanaste \
10:47 magnuse               i'll try to remember that kmkale ;-)
10:47 SpaceLibrarian_home   :)
10:47 kmkale                :)
10:47 kmkale                namaste SpaceLibrarian_home
10:47 SpaceLibrarian_home   namaste kmkale
10:46 SpaceLibrarian_home   fmarier_: I've had the same problem, used both gmail and catalyst... seems to be fairly widespread...
10:46 kmkale                is better. But Namaskar is also good
10:45 kmkale                Interchangeable but when addressing a particular individual namaste
10:44 magnuse               so do namaskar and namaste mean different things, or are they interchangable?
10:44 kmkale                Namaste magnuse
10:43 magnuse               hiya kmkale
10:43 kmkale                Namaskar #koha
10:36 rangi                 peopel were spamming through it
10:30 rangi                 :( ill try to catch gmcharlt tomorrow
10:29 * fmarier_            cannot contribute to the wiki :(
10:29 fmarier_              i tried with my gmail and catalyst email accounts and cannot get the confirmation email
10:29 rangi                 ah yeah need to talk with galen about that
10:29 fmarier_              it looks like the koha wiki cannot send emails out
10:15 magnuse               cool, thanks - i'll start with the intro though
10:15 liw                   magnuse, also, debian-mentors@ and #debian-mentors (or so I'm told, I've never followed those myself)
10:14 liw                   magnuse, yep
10:14 fmarier_              magnuse: that's what I started with, back in the days
10:14 magnuse               maint-guide looks like a logical next step? http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals#maint-guide
10:12 liw                   thank you
10:12 fmarier_              liw's intro looks really good
10:03 magnuse               i'll definitely have a look, thanks folks!
10:03 rangi                 liw gave a great tutorial session at catalyst, so im sure its great
10:02 rangi                 :)
10:02 rangi                 my google fu is weak
10:02 magnuse               wow, great minds think alike! ;-)
10:01 rangi                 lol
10:01 rangi                 http://wiki.debian.org/IntroDebianPackaging#Introduction_to_Debian_Packaging
10:01 liw                   http://wiki.debian.org/IntroDebianPackaging is based on a tutorial I gave to Debian-Women last year, and I've been told it's not entirely bad
10:00 magnuse               i could try googling around a bit, just wondered if there was any recommended sources
10:00 magnuse               that's what friends are for ;-)
10:00 magnuse               hehe
09:59 * rangi               is spoilt
09:59 rangi                 i just ask him, or liw :)
09:59 rangi                 fmarier_ might have an idea
09:59 magnuse               not the koha packages as such, but the debian packaging "system"?
09:58 magnuse               is there anything you could recommend to read up on to get a better understanding of how the packaging "thing" works?
09:57 magnuse               cool!
09:57 rangi                 and now they are hosting kohas for others :)
09:57 rangi                 when eythian was in the solomons he trained some people there how to do it
09:56 rangi                 :)
09:56 magnuse               or koha-create koha_for_a_potential_future_customer :-)
09:56 magnuse               yup
09:56 rangi                 :)
09:56 rangi                 koha-create koha_for_my_friend
09:55 rangi                 yeah with koha-common thats very easy
09:55 magnuse               i'm thinking of using the packages for my ordinary hosting of course, but also for offering free koha installs hosted by me to nordic library people, for personal use
09:54 magnuse               sounds like a good start
09:54 rangi                 probably just koha-common and then localisation packs
09:54 magnuse               heh
09:54 rangi                 far even
09:54 rangi                 not sure we will go that fa :)
09:53 rangi                 or koha-common koha-marc21
09:53 magnuse               hehe
09:53 rangi                 apt-get install koha-common koha-normarc
09:53 rangi                 but potentially we could move more out
09:53 magnuse               sure
09:53 rangi                 koha-common already is the base
09:53 rangi                 yup
09:52 magnuse               and koha-common would be the "base package" and koha-l8n-dk would just be a language "addon"?
09:52 rangi                 then you can apt-get upgrade to get updated translations
09:52 magnuse               ah yeah, cool
09:52 rangi                 etc
09:52 rangi                 sudo apt-get install koha-common koha-l8n-se koha-l8n-dk
09:51 magnuse               i wish i could take a week "off" and just figure all that stuff out...
09:51 magnuse               would i first install koha-common and then the "language packages"?
09:50 rangi                 yep
09:50 magnuse               so if i want norwegian, danish and swedish i would install all three?
09:49 rangi                 then you just install the ones you want
09:49 rangi                 but it makes sense for there to be
09:49 rangi                 there wouldnt have to be
09:49 magnuse               ah, so there would have to be one package per language?
09:49 * magnuse             is slightly confused...
09:49 rangi                 a package
09:49 magnuse               so would koha-l8n-nb-no be a package or a command?
09:48 magnuse               yeah, i know ;-)
09:48 rangi                 :)
09:48 rangi                 but again, time
09:48 rangi                 or something similair
09:48 rangi                 koha-l8n-nb-no
09:48 rangi                 and then
09:48 rangi                 for now yes, the plan is to have koha-common
09:47 magnuse               so i would have to build my own package?
09:47 rangi                 otherwise you have to manually copy them into place
09:46 rangi                 if you build the templates before you build the package, they install fine
09:46 magnuse               what's the status of koha-common and languages other than english? i seem to remember there was an issue there?
09:42 huginn                04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5071 enhancement, P5, ---, robin, NEW , Make the 'koha' package set things up so that zebra etc. just work
09:42 rangi                 koha is similar, but provides a single site. At the moment however, this site can't be managed by the tools that come with the package, and so you will need to set up the cron jobs and zebra for it yourself. See bug 5071 for plans to fix this.
09:42 rangi                 bit
09:42 rangi                 Wait
09:42 rangi                 see in the
09:42 rangi                 http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian#Everyone
09:42 rangi                 right, in that case you have to set up the cron jobs and zebra to run by yourself
09:41 mib_sun               koha
09:40 rangi                 which package, koha-common or koha?
09:40 kf                    hm. I am not sure how you have to do it with the packages
09:39 mib_sun               I have used the package in the debian repository
09:36 kf                    how have you installed koha?
09:36 mib_sun               kf: search for normal bibliographic records also not working..
09:34 rangi                 but after that, it just works :)
09:34 rangi                 you need pbuilder installed
09:34 rangi                 is what i use to build a package from a git checkout
09:34 rangi                 build-git-snapshot
09:33 fmarier_              yup, i've got it, it's under /home/francois/code/koha/debian/scripts/ :)
09:33 rangi                 under debian/
09:33 rangi                 :)
09:33 fmarier_              so simple i didn't even think of looking there :)
09:32 rangi                 so git.koha-community.org
09:32 fmarier_              ah, that's far too simple!
09:32 rangi                 its in the main repo
09:32 rangi                 ahh
09:31 * fmarier_            is looking for the git repo where the koha-common packaging script come from
09:30 kf                    and your search for normal bibliographic records works?
09:30 kf                    ok
09:30 * fmarier_            waves
09:30 mib_sun               i m using zebra
09:30 rangi                 oh its fmarier_ :)
09:30 mib_sun               yes
09:29 kf                    hi fmarier_ :)
09:28 mib_sun               koha 3.02.06
09:28 kf                    and do you use zebra?
09:28 kf                    which version are you using?
09:28 kf                    no, not in the interface
09:21 mib_sun               Is any option there in Koha interface to rebuild zebra?
09:20 mib_sun               kf: I am new to linux. where I had to run this command?
09:18 kf                    oups
09:09 magnuse               mib_sun: it's hard to tell if anyone can help you up front... ;-) if you describe the problem a little bit more you will see if anyone is able to respond
09:08 magnuse               kf: yay!!!
09:08 kf                    my ubuntu is alive!
09:08 magnuse               "Recent Updates to the EU Associates Operating Agreement" https://affiliate-program.amazon.co.uk/gp/associates/promo/whatschangedmay
09:04 mib_sun               Could someone help me??
09:04 mib_sun               I am struggling with a problem in adding authority records and bibliographic files in koha
09:01 magnuse               hiya mib_sun
08:59 mib_sun               hi everybody
08:49 magnuse               yay
08:49 rangi                 there we go
08:49 wahanui               i think bug workflow is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Bug-enhancement-patch_Workflow
08:49 rangi                 bug workflow?
08:49 rangi                 bug workflow is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Bug-enhancement-patch_Workflow
08:48 rangi                 bug workflow?
08:48 wahanui               kf: I forgot now
08:48 kf                    forget now
08:48 rangi                 cool
08:48 kf                    now I see it :)
08:48 wahanui               now is there a way I can delete everything item in bib and start from scratch?
08:48 rangi                 how about now?
08:47 magnuse               yep
08:47 rangi                 and needs signoff?
08:47 magnuse               i can see one from you rangi, a couple from kf etc
08:46 rangi                 ive yet to figure out how to make a public saved search
08:46 magnuse               i can see "failed qa"
08:45 * kf                  sniffs
08:45 magnuse               rangi: yup!
08:45 rangi                 darn
08:45 kf                    no
08:45 rangi                 is good
08:44 rangi                 anything that leads people to find things they may never find in other ways
08:44 * snail               looks forward to sequins...
08:44 rangi                 :)
08:44 magnuse               i hear gamification is going to be a big thing... ;-)
08:44 rangi                 yeah
08:44 kf                    rangi: chekcing
08:44 magnuse               or match keywords to book title
08:44 magnuse               yeah, that could be cool
08:43 rangi                 hit a button and it takes you to a random record
08:43 rangi                 on the opac
08:43 rangi                 was a random book thing
08:43 rangi                 something kinda like that
08:43 magnuse               something to while away the hours on a quite late night shift in the library
08:42 rangi                 heheh
08:42 magnuse               create a game in the intranet where librarians can see a random picture of a patron and guess the name from a list of say 5 names from the database of patrons...
08:42 rangi                 kf: in bugzilla, do you see a saved search, passed qa ?
08:41 magnuse               i had a strange idea - i think it was just as i was waking up this morning
08:36 magnuse               guten tag kf
08:36 kf                    e
08:36 kf                    hi magnus
08:36 magnuse               ...and #koha
08:36 magnuse               kia ora rangi
08:36 rangi                 heh
08:35 wahanui               it has been said that magnuse is afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza.
08:35 rangi                 heya magnuse
08:31 kf                    hi AmitG
08:31 AmitG                 heya kf ;)
08:18 kf                    grub> ...
08:18 kf                    my ubuntu is broken again. hmpf.
07:57 rangi                 thanks kf
07:55 * kf                  sends rangi cookies
07:55 kf                    hi rangi
07:46 rangi                 hi all
07:28 kf                    hi snail
07:24 snail                 evening
07:22 kf                    morning
06:11 NurAhammad            I have to add  a logo in my opac
06:09 cait                  hi #koha
05:20 bg                    hello
04:16 rangi                 (richard fontana is legal counsel at redhat, used to be at software freedom law centre)
04:15 rangi                 very interesting talk
04:15 rangi                 http://www.softwarefreedom.org/podcast/2011/apr/26/Open-Source-Projects-and-Corporate-Entanglemt/
04:09 * druthb              bows humbly
04:07 Space_Librarian       druthb ++
04:07 sekjal                druthb++
04:07 Space_Librarian       :)
04:07 Space_Librarian       told ya!
04:07 druthb                Space_Librarian: it went way, way better than I would have thought possible.
04:06 eythian               bummer, I would like to have seen it.
04:06 druthb                not that I am aware of, eythian.
04:06 eythian               druthb: ah yes. It wasn't videoed, perchance?
04:05 Space_Librarian       How was your fantastic talk?
04:05 * Space_Librarian     waves at druthb
04:04 druthb                he's uncatchable!
04:03 huginn                druthb: Karma for "sekjal" has been increased 92 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 91.
04:03 druthb                @karma sekjal
04:02 druthb                yoiks
04:02 huginn                druthb: Karma for "druthb" has been increased 91 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 91.
04:02 druthb                @karma druthb
03:46 wahanui               druthb: I forgot druthb
03:46 druthb                wahanui: forget druthb
03:46 wahanui               it has been said that druthb is lighting-talking about this channel
03:46 bg                    wahanui: druthb?
03:46 wahanui               bg is awesome!
03:46 druthb                wahanui: bg?
03:45 bg                    bg needs to lay off the red bull
03:45 bg                    what you don't like watching me bounce around
03:45 bg                    rangi++
03:45 wahanui               hey, bg
03:45 bg                    hi
03:44 * bg                  needs to lay off the red bull
03:44 bg                    what you don't like watching me bounce around :)
03:44 bg                    rangi++
03:44 rangi                 remind me to set you up bip when im over there though :-)
03:43 rangi                 s'ok
03:43 * bg                  :p
03:43 bg                    hi there sorry for bouncing so much
03:35 * druthb              ain't-a gonna add anything to larryb's list right now.  he's a busy boy.
03:29 rangi                 druthb: get larryb to set him up a bip setup ;-)
03:28 rangi                 ahh
03:21 druthb                bg isn't on his computer; he's sitting here with me.
03:21 rangi                 hi AmitG
03:19 AmitG                 heya chris
02:50 mtj                   bg:  you should use an irc-proxy -  if your roam, or your net is bouncy
01:49 huginn                04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6296 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Allow authentication to Koha via PKI / x.509 certificates
01:49 rangi                 im working on bug 6296 at the moment
01:36 rangi                 yay thanks
01:36 gmcharlt              rangi: http://librarypolice.com/~gmc/sample_bib.xml
01:25 rangi                 cool
01:24 gmcharlt              sec
01:24 gmcharlt              so few? ;)
01:24 rangi                 100 would be plenty
01:23 gmcharlt              how many records?
01:23 gmcharlt              rangi: as much as you want
01:23 rangi                 im sure i can hunt some down, just thought id ask
01:22 rangi                 ?
01:22 rangi                 do you have any chunky/fairly complete marcxml files he can use for testing MARC21
01:22 gmcharlt              cool
01:22 rangi                 who is going to do some work optimising our xslt files for speed
01:21 rangi                 so i have a guy at work who an xml/xpath/xslt/stuff with x in it guru
01:21 rangi                 yeah
01:20 gmcharlt              bouncy hotel wireless
01:12 rangi                 bounce bounce