Time Nick Message 01:12 rangi bounce bounce 01:20 gmcharlt bouncy hotel wireless 01:21 rangi yeah 01:21 rangi so i have a guy at work who an xml/xpath/xslt/stuff with x in it guru 01:22 rangi who is going to do some work optimising our xslt files for speed 01:22 gmcharlt cool 01:22 rangi do you have any chunky/fairly complete marcxml files he can use for testing MARC21 01:22 rangi ? 01:23 rangi im sure i can hunt some down, just thought id ask 01:23 gmcharlt rangi: as much as you want 01:23 gmcharlt how many records? 01:24 rangi 100 would be plenty 01:24 gmcharlt so few? ;) 01:24 gmcharlt sec 01:25 rangi cool 01:36 gmcharlt rangi: http://librarypolice.com/~gmc/sample_bib.xml 01:36 rangi yay thanks 01:49 rangi im working on bug 6296 at the moment 01:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6296 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Allow authentication to Koha via PKI / x.509 certificates 02:50 mtj bg: you should use an irc-proxy - if your roam, or your net is bouncy 03:19 AmitG heya chris 03:21 rangi hi AmitG 03:21 druthb bg isn't on his computer; he's sitting here with me. 03:28 rangi ahh 03:29 rangi druthb: get larryb to set him up a bip setup ;-) 03:35 * druthb ain't-a gonna add anything to larryb's list right now. he's a busy boy. 03:43 bg hi there sorry for bouncing so much 03:43 * bg :p 03:43 rangi s'ok 03:44 rangi remind me to set you up bip when im over there though :-) 03:44 bg rangi++ 03:44 bg what you don't like watching me bounce around :) 03:44 * bg needs to lay off the red bull 03:45 bg hi 03:45 wahanui hey, bg 03:45 bg rangi++ 03:45 bg what you don't like watching me bounce around 03:45 bg bg needs to lay off the red bull 03:46 druthb wahanui: bg? 03:46 wahanui bg is awesome! 03:46 bg wahanui: druthb? 03:46 wahanui it has been said that druthb is lighting-talking about this channel 03:46 druthb wahanui: forget druthb 03:46 wahanui druthb: I forgot druthb 04:02 druthb @karma druthb 04:02 huginn druthb: Karma for "druthb" has been increased 91 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 91. 04:02 druthb yoiks 04:03 druthb @karma sekjal 04:03 huginn druthb: Karma for "sekjal" has been increased 92 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 91. 04:04 druthb he's uncatchable! 04:05 * Space_Librarian waves at druthb 04:05 Space_Librarian How was your fantastic talk? 04:06 eythian druthb: ah yes. It wasn't videoed, perchance? 04:06 druthb not that I am aware of, eythian. 04:06 eythian bummer, I would like to have seen it. 04:07 druthb Space_Librarian: it went way, way better than I would have thought possible. 04:07 Space_Librarian told ya! 04:07 Space_Librarian :) 04:07 sekjal druthb++ 04:07 Space_Librarian druthb ++ 04:09 * druthb bows humbly 04:15 rangi http://www.softwarefreedom.org/podcast/2011/apr/26/Open-Source-Projects-and-Corporate-Entanglemt/ 04:15 rangi very interesting talk 04:16 rangi (richard fontana is legal counsel at redhat, used to be at software freedom law centre) 05:20 bg hello 06:09 cait hi #koha 06:11 NurAhammad I have to add a logo in my opac 07:22 kf morning 07:24 snail evening 07:28 kf hi snail 07:46 rangi hi all 07:55 kf hi rangi 07:55 * kf sends rangi cookies 07:57 rangi thanks kf 08:18 kf my ubuntu is broken again. hmpf. 08:18 kf grub> ... 08:31 AmitG heya kf ;) 08:31 kf hi AmitG 08:35 rangi heya magnuse 08:35 wahanui it has been said that magnuse is afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza. 08:36 rangi heh 08:36 magnuse kia ora rangi 08:36 magnuse ...and #koha 08:36 kf hi magnus 08:36 kf e 08:36 magnuse guten tag kf 08:41 magnuse i had a strange idea - i think it was just as i was waking up this morning 08:42 rangi kf: in bugzilla, do you see a saved search, passed qa ? 08:42 magnuse create a game in the intranet where librarians can see a random picture of a patron and guess the name from a list of say 5 names from the database of patrons... 08:42 rangi heheh 08:43 magnuse something to while away the hours on a quite late night shift in the library 08:43 rangi something kinda like that 08:43 rangi was a random book thing 08:43 rangi on the opac 08:43 rangi hit a button and it takes you to a random record 08:44 magnuse yeah, that could be cool 08:44 magnuse or match keywords to book title 08:44 kf rangi: chekcing 08:44 rangi yeah 08:44 magnuse i hear gamification is going to be a big thing... ;-) 08:44 rangi :) 08:44 * snail looks forward to sequins... 08:44 rangi anything that leads people to find things they may never find in other ways 08:45 rangi is good 08:45 kf no 08:45 rangi darn 08:45 magnuse rangi: yup! 08:45 * kf sniffs 08:46 magnuse i can see "failed qa" 08:46 rangi ive yet to figure out how to make a public saved search 08:47 magnuse i can see one from you rangi, a couple from kf etc 08:47 rangi and needs signoff? 08:47 magnuse yep 08:48 rangi how about now? 08:48 wahanui now is there a way I can delete everything item in bib and start from scratch? 08:48 kf now I see it :) 08:48 rangi cool 08:48 kf forget now 08:48 wahanui kf: I forgot now 08:48 rangi bug workflow? 08:49 rangi bug workflow is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Bug-enhancement-patch_Workflow 08:49 rangi bug workflow? 08:49 wahanui i think bug workflow is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Bug-enhancement-patch_Workflow 08:49 rangi there we go 08:49 magnuse yay 08:59 mib_sun hi everybody 09:01 magnuse hiya mib_sun 09:04 mib_sun I am struggling with a problem in adding authority records and bibliographic files in koha 09:04 mib_sun Could someone help me?? 09:08 magnuse "Recent Updates to the EU Associates Operating Agreement" https://affiliate-program.amazon.co.uk/gp/associates/promo/whatschangedmay 09:08 kf my ubuntu is alive! 09:08 magnuse kf: yay!!! 09:09 magnuse mib_sun: it's hard to tell if anyone can help you up front... ;-) if you describe the problem a little bit more you will see if anyone is able to respond 09:18 kf oups 09:20 mib_sun kf: I am new to linux. where I had to run this command? 09:21 mib_sun Is any option there in Koha interface to rebuild zebra? 09:28 kf no, not in the interface 09:28 kf which version are you using? 09:28 kf and do you use zebra? 09:28 mib_sun koha 3.02.06 09:29 kf hi fmarier_ :) 09:30 mib_sun yes 09:30 rangi oh its fmarier_ :) 09:30 mib_sun i m using zebra 09:30 * fmarier_ waves 09:30 kf ok 09:30 kf and your search for normal bibliographic records works? 09:31 * fmarier_ is looking for the git repo where the koha-common packaging script come from 09:32 rangi ahh 09:32 rangi its in the main repo 09:32 fmarier_ ah, that's far too simple! 09:32 rangi so git.koha-community.org 09:33 fmarier_ so simple i didn't even think of looking there :) 09:33 rangi :) 09:33 rangi under debian/ 09:33 fmarier_ yup, i've got it, it's under /home/francois/code/koha/debian/scripts/ :) 09:34 rangi build-git-snapshot 09:34 rangi is what i use to build a package from a git checkout 09:34 rangi you need pbuilder installed 09:34 rangi but after that, it just works :) 09:36 mib_sun kf: search for normal bibliographic records also not working.. 09:36 kf how have you installed koha? 09:39 mib_sun I have used the package in the debian repository 09:40 kf hm. I am not sure how you have to do it with the packages 09:40 rangi which package, koha-common or koha? 09:41 mib_sun koha 09:42 rangi right, in that case you have to set up the cron jobs and zebra to run by yourself 09:42 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian#Everyone 09:42 rangi see in the 09:42 rangi Wait 09:42 rangi bit 09:42 rangi koha is similar, but provides a single site. At the moment however, this site can't be managed by the tools that come with the package, and so you will need to set up the cron jobs and zebra for it yourself. See bug 5071 for plans to fix this. 09:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5071 enhancement, P5, ---, robin, NEW , Make the 'koha' package set things up so that zebra etc. just work 09:46 magnuse what's the status of koha-common and languages other than english? i seem to remember there was an issue there? 09:46 rangi if you build the templates before you build the package, they install fine 09:47 rangi otherwise you have to manually copy them into place 09:47 magnuse so i would have to build my own package? 09:48 rangi for now yes, the plan is to have koha-common 09:48 rangi and then 09:48 rangi koha-l8n-nb-no 09:48 rangi or something similair 09:48 rangi but again, time 09:48 rangi :) 09:48 magnuse yeah, i know ;-) 09:49 magnuse so would koha-l8n-nb-no be a package or a command? 09:49 rangi a package 09:49 * magnuse is slightly confused... 09:49 magnuse ah, so there would have to be one package per language? 09:49 rangi there wouldnt have to be 09:49 rangi but it makes sense for there to be 09:49 rangi then you just install the ones you want 09:50 magnuse so if i want norwegian, danish and swedish i would install all three? 09:50 rangi yep 09:51 magnuse would i first install koha-common and then the "language packages"? 09:51 magnuse i wish i could take a week "off" and just figure all that stuff out... 09:52 rangi sudo apt-get install koha-common koha-l8n-se koha-l8n-dk 09:52 rangi etc 09:52 magnuse ah yeah, cool 09:52 rangi then you can apt-get upgrade to get updated translations 09:52 magnuse and koha-common would be the "base package" and koha-l8n-dk would just be a language "addon"? 09:53 rangi yup 09:53 rangi koha-common already is the base 09:53 magnuse sure 09:53 rangi but potentially we could move more out 09:53 rangi apt-get install koha-common koha-normarc 09:53 magnuse hehe 09:53 rangi or koha-common koha-marc21 09:54 rangi not sure we will go that fa :) 09:54 rangi far even 09:54 magnuse heh 09:54 rangi probably just koha-common and then localisation packs 09:54 magnuse sounds like a good start 09:55 magnuse i'm thinking of using the packages for my ordinary hosting of course, but also for offering free koha installs hosted by me to nordic library people, for personal use 09:55 rangi yeah with koha-common thats very easy 09:56 rangi koha-create koha_for_my_friend 09:56 rangi :) 09:56 magnuse yup 09:56 magnuse or koha-create koha_for_a_potential_future_customer :-) 09:56 rangi :) 09:57 rangi when eythian was in the solomons he trained some people there how to do it 09:57 rangi and now they are hosting kohas for others :) 09:57 magnuse cool! 09:58 magnuse is there anything you could recommend to read up on to get a better understanding of how the packaging "thing" works? 09:59 magnuse not the koha packages as such, but the debian packaging "system"? 09:59 rangi fmarier_ might have an idea 09:59 rangi i just ask him, or liw :) 09:59 * rangi is spoilt 10:00 magnuse hehe 10:00 magnuse that's what friends are for ;-) 10:00 magnuse i could try googling around a bit, just wondered if there was any recommended sources 10:01 liw http://wiki.debian.org/IntroDebianPackaging is based on a tutorial I gave to Debian-Women last year, and I've been told it's not entirely bad 10:01 rangi http://wiki.debian.org/IntroDebianPackaging#Introduction_to_Debian_Packaging 10:01 rangi lol 10:02 magnuse wow, great minds think alike! ;-) 10:02 rangi my google fu is weak 10:02 rangi :) 10:03 rangi liw gave a great tutorial session at catalyst, so im sure its great 10:03 magnuse i'll definitely have a look, thanks folks! 10:12 fmarier_ liw's intro looks really good 10:12 liw thank you 10:14 magnuse maint-guide looks like a logical next step? http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals#maint-guide 10:14 fmarier_ magnuse: that's what I started with, back in the days 10:14 liw magnuse, yep 10:15 liw magnuse, also, debian-mentors@ and #debian-mentors (or so I'm told, I've never followed those myself) 10:15 magnuse cool, thanks - i'll start with the intro though 10:29 fmarier_ it looks like the koha wiki cannot send emails out 10:29 rangi ah yeah need to talk with galen about that 10:29 fmarier_ i tried with my gmail and catalyst email accounts and cannot get the confirmation email 10:29 * fmarier_ cannot contribute to the wiki :( 10:30 rangi :( ill try to catch gmcharlt tomorrow 10:36 rangi peopel were spamming through it 10:43 kmkale Namaskar #koha 10:43 magnuse hiya kmkale 10:44 kmkale Namaste magnuse 10:44 magnuse so do namaskar and namaste mean different things, or are they interchangable? 10:45 kmkale Interchangeable but when addressing a particular individual namaste 10:46 kmkale is better. But Namaskar is also good 10:46 SpaceLibrarian_home fmarier_: I've had the same problem, used both gmail and catalyst... seems to be fairly widespread... 10:47 SpaceLibrarian_home namaste kmkale 10:47 kmkale namaste SpaceLibrarian_home 10:47 kmkale :) 10:47 SpaceLibrarian_home :) 10:47 magnuse i'll try to remember that kmkale ;-) 10:48 kmkale magnuse: to help you understand the pronounciation a bit better it should be spelled Namaskaar and Nanaste \ 10:48 kmkale :) 10:49 magnuse cool 10:51 rangi @later tell gmcharlt i think we need to figure out a new plan for the mta on the wiki 10:51 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded. 10:52 SpaceLibrarian_home kmkale: the volunteer's meeting is in a few hours, yes? 10:53 kmkale yes SpaceLibrarian_home 10:53 SpaceLibrarian_home just setting my alarm... 10:53 kmkale in about three hours 10:53 kmkale so did I :) 10:54 * kmkale doesn't have much to discuss :( 10:54 SpaceLibrarian_home is there much? 10:54 kmkale Paper Submission Process 10:54 SpaceLibrarian_home that's worth getting up for... 10:55 gmcharlt morning 10:55 kmkale Adding a couple of items to the agenda as we speek 10:56 kmkale Namaste gmcharlt 10:56 SpaceLibrarian_home morning gmcharlt 10:56 SpaceLibrarian_home rangi: I may be in a little later tomorrow... 10:58 SpaceLibrarian_home right. be back in a few hours. :) 11:06 rangi right sleep time i think 11:06 rangi night all 11:07 gmcharlt g'night rangi 11:08 jcamins Night. 11:20 kf hm 11:21 kf someone working with sounds on in circulation? 11:24 kmkale Namaste kf :) 11:24 gmcharlt kf: I've used circ sounds, what's up? 11:24 kf ah, had a library asking for it 11:25 kf they asked if it iwll make a sound when they try to checkout a not for loan item or return a book with a hold 11:25 kf and first it didn't work for me, but it was a problem with my computr 11:25 kf and now it beeps a lot 11:25 kf not only for errors 11:25 gmcharlt right 11:26 gmcharlt it's meant to signal that Koha has received a barcode scan 11:26 kf I found the bug - bug 1080 11:26 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1080 enhancement, P2, ---, oleonard, RESOLVED FIXED, How about telling the template to make a noise on circulation errors? 11:26 kf I was not sure if there were different soudns perhaps 11:27 kf testing a little now :) 11:27 gmcharlt yeah, I think there are different sounds 11:27 * gmcharlt is running away to board an airplane 11:27 kf oh, yes 11:27 kf it does :) 11:27 kf thx gmcharlt 11:31 Oak \o 11:36 conan good morning all 12:16 kmkale @quote random 12:16 huginn kmkale: Quote #25: "<wizzyrea> ha, in #koha we don't pick each other's brains... we git pull them." (added by gmcharlt at 07:40 PM, August 14, 2009) 12:20 kf hi kmkale and conan 12:21 kf @quote random 12:21 huginn kf: Quote #47: "pianohacker bah, go collision attack the front of a moving car" (added by brendan at 10:15 PM, November 16, 2009) 12:21 * kmkale waves at kf 12:22 oleonard Hi fmarier_ 12:23 fmarier_ hi oleonard :) 12:23 fmarier_ magnuse: i just saw this on Debian Planet: http://www.lucas-nussbaum.net/blog/?p=676 12:23 fmarier_ ^^^ someone just released their Debian packaging tutorial 12:24 druthb o/ 12:25 magnuse fmarier_: wow, thanks for the tip! ;-) 12:26 fmarier_ no worries. i thought i should send you the link before i go to bed otherwise i won't remember in the morning :) 12:26 magnuse hehe 12:27 fmarier_ anyways, have a good day, I'm signing off 12:31 druthb Three kmkales! woooooo! 12:34 kf oleonard: around? 12:34 oleonard Yes 12:34 kf I see the mail on the list - place on reserve - possible he uses not the en language pack? 12:34 kf I think we killed all reserves 12:34 kf if he hwas not updated the template files after updating koha this could lead to strange problems 12:35 oleonard kf: True. 12:36 oleonard His template would have to be very old to have that link say "reserve" though 12:36 oleonard I see it also says "Catalogue" 12:37 oleonard More curious is the second screenshot 12:37 oleonard http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/file/n4369713/reserve_2.jpg 12:37 kf oh yes 12:37 kf had not seen the second one 12:37 kf that looks strange 12:37 oleonard The URL shows a biblionumber but no title appears, and no items 12:38 kf it also says reservation and the table looks all wrong 12:44 druthb Will the real kmkale please stand up? 12:45 kf now they all are hiding 12:46 kf oleonard: and 2 call number columns? 12:46 * oleonard fires up his 3.2.x installation 13:30 magnuse nengard: this page needs an update: http://koha-community.org/koha-videos-online/ not sure what the best source for videos is these days? 13:31 nengard youtube got rid of the groups 13:31 magnuse oops, guess that's post, not a page... never mind... 13:31 nengard so the best thing to do i guess is just search for koha on youtube :( 13:31 nengard not ideal at all 13:31 magnuse yeah, i remember... 13:31 nengard youtube said that groups were coming back ... but i haven't seen anything like that happening 13:32 nengard there is the bywater chanel on blip.tv that has all of my tutorial videos, but that's just a fraction of what's out there 13:32 magnuse i think the new groups on youtube was "coming soon"... 13:39 nengard magnuse it has been "coming soon" for a long time now :) 13:42 Brooke kia ora 13:45 kmkale hey Brooke 13:45 Brooke :) 13:45 magnuse kia ora Brook 13:45 magnuse e 13:45 Brooke 0/ 13:51 Brooke ice cream for breakfast, mum would totally approve. 13:53 kmkale BRB 13:54 * Brooke waves to SpaceLibrarian 13:54 * Brooke hands her a flat white or 3. 13:54 * SpaceLibrarian_home waves tiredly back 13:55 * SpaceLibrarian_home gratefully takes the coffee. 13:55 kmkale whats your local time SpaceLibrarian_home ? 13:55 SpaceLibrarian_home See? I said I'd get up in the middle of the night for you guys. :) Just going 2am here 13:55 kmkale Wow 13:55 SpaceLibrarian_home yep 13:55 kmkale SpaceLibrarian_home:++ 13:55 * Brooke zips the lip so she doesn't get in trouble. 13:56 SpaceLibrarian_home Brooke: :p 13:56 kmkale Brooke: you wanna chair this? 13:57 Brooke oh gods. 13:57 Brooke yeah sure fine 13:57 Brooke #startmeeting 13:57 huginn Meeting started Wed May 4 14:00:05 2011 UTC. The chair is Brooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 13:57 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 13:57 Brooke #topic introductions 13:57 Brooke prolly know who we are but go for it 13:58 kmkale kmkale: Koustubha Kale Anant Corporation, VPM Thane, Granthalaya.org 13:59 SpaceLibrarian_home Shelley Gurney, Catalyst IT, NZ 14:01 kmkale Thats it. Just the three of us here? 14:01 Brooke movin' on 14:01 Brooke #topic paper submission 14:02 SpaceLibrarian_home how are the numbers looking? 14:02 kmkale give me a min 14:03 kmkale i'll paste whats been submitted so far 14:04 pastebot "kmkale" at 115.241.129.42 pasted "Paper submission 1" (10 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/30 14:04 pastebot "kmkale" at 115.241.129.42 pasted "Paper submission 2" (6 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/31 14:05 pastebot "kmkale" at 115.241.129.42 pasted "Paper submission 3" (11 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/32 14:05 pastebot "kmkale" at 115.241.129.42 pasted "Paper submission 4" (6 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/33 14:06 kmkale ok what do we do about these? Who does the reviewing? 14:06 Brooke get the abstracts to wrap properly first off XD 14:06 SpaceLibrarian_home like the abstract, Brooke 14:06 Brooke cheers 14:07 * Brooke will clearly not be reviewing her own work. 14:07 kmkale :) 14:07 * SpaceLibrarian_home will review work that's not her pending submission. 14:07 SpaceLibrarian_home do we have guidelines? 14:07 * kmkale has no experience at this reviewing stuff 14:08 kmkale or shall we just ask everyone to send in the full presentation and then review it? 14:08 Brooke oof no 14:08 SpaceLibrarian_home nope 14:08 kmkale afterall can't get too much from the abstract 14:08 * Brooke points out that speakers are horrible procrastinators. 14:08 kmkale :) 14:08 * SpaceLibrarian_home agrees 14:08 kmkale present company included? 14:09 Brooke depends. Scarily usually not. 14:09 SpaceLibrarian_home what she said.... 14:09 SpaceLibrarian_home well, from here we can see there are *clearly* emeging themes here. 14:10 SpaceLibrarian_home *r 14:11 kmkale Must say I like three out of these four one exception being "Optimising ICT Potentials for Integrating Africa in the Global Scientific Information Systems: A Case of Open Access Movement" can't see significant co-relation to Koha or Libraries 14:11 Brooke we've not had posters before 14:11 Brooke and that could be summat to keep in mind for stuff like taht 14:11 Brooke where it might not quite fit the mood 14:11 Brooke but might be interesting enough to give it a shot or slot 14:12 kmkale we will ask posters if we have too many papers 14:12 SpaceLibrarian_home the first one - info lit is *very* light on abscract content.... 14:12 kmkale but till we have a full program lets keep posters in the wings 14:12 kmkale ok should I revert to them asking to beef it up? 14:12 Brooke aye 14:12 * SpaceLibrarian_home agrees 14:13 Brooke also aye 14:13 kmkale ok 14:13 SpaceLibrarian_home most conf abstracts I"ve been writing for ask for about 400 words. Gives you background, context and aim of talk. 14:13 SpaceLibrarian_home May be a good idea here... 14:13 kmkale #action kmkale to ask for beefing up of the abstract from "INFORMATION LITERACY AND LIBRARY AND INFORMATION SCIENCE" authors 14:14 kmkale good idea. 14:14 kmkale 400 words 14:15 SpaceLibrarian_home it certainly forces you to think about your presentation... 14:15 kmkale should I put that as a requirement on the page for paper submissions? 14:15 SpaceLibrarian_home you may want to... 14:16 kmkale so minimum 200 words and max 400? 14:16 kmkale or minimum 400? 14:16 SpaceLibrarian_home mon 250, max 400 14:16 SpaceLibrarian_home min* 14:16 * Brooke nods 14:17 Brooke 250 is the number all of those wicked, naughty grant reviewers ask for. 14:17 Brooke it's much easier to do 400. 14:17 kmkale ok. So I'll write to each of the 4 asking for beefed up abstracts shall I? 14:17 SpaceLibrarian_home yep 14:17 SpaceLibrarian_home will make streaming them/evaluating them easier 14:18 kmkale ask for "background, context and aim of talk." 14:18 gmcharlt @quote random 14:18 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #6: "gmcharlt: kf: hold requests are a plot to sell more aspirin ;)" (added by wizzyrea at 04:13 PM, June 16, 2009) 14:18 kmkale I have been away a lot last month on unrelated projects but this month I intend to start following up with people individually for presentations 14:19 kmkale any candidates? 14:19 Brooke have we moved on to keynote then? 14:19 SpaceLibrarian_home do you have sponsorship available for a keynote? 14:19 kmkale no still talking about getting more papers 14:20 SpaceLibrarian_home right. I'm still needing to give you a list of conference alert sites, aren't I? 14:20 * SpaceLibrarian_home makes a note to send kmkale more conf lists in the morning. 14:21 kmkale sponsorship is again something I intend to do follow up of one on one this month 14:21 kmkale we have INR 100000 from Bharat Grahak 14:21 Brooke oi 14:21 Brooke shall I change the topic? 14:22 SpaceLibrarian_home yep maybe. 14:22 Brooke #topic sponsorship 14:22 SpaceLibrarian_home so sponsorship. yes 14:23 kmkale_ oops 14:23 kmkale_ bad net connection 14:24 SpaceLibrarian_home 2.8k NZD/ 2.24kUSD 14:24 Brooke misplaced 0 or generous benefactor? 14:24 kmkale_ We have a commitment of INR 30000 from biblibre 14:24 kmkale_ and another commitment of INR 15000 from catalyst 14:24 kmkale_ that makes for about 145000 INR 14:24 kmkale_ we need about three times that amount 14:25 kmkale_ not counting in sponsorship for keynote 14:25 kmkale_ so gotta go after that too 14:25 * Brooke shamelessly points out that you're still missing Equinox, libriotech, and a host of others 14:25 SpaceLibrarian_home 3.2k USD 14:26 kmkale_ I have sent mails to *ALL* registered Koha suppport vendors on K-C site 14:26 * SpaceLibrarian_home agrees 14:26 kmkale_ now I'll follow up with then individually 14:26 kmkale_ also lining up some libraries and companies here in India 14:27 kmkale_ Have done initial mailing to done, but must do personal follow up to get money :) 14:28 kmkale_ Brooke: no its 100000INR they are a co-operative store 14:28 SpaceLibrarian_home lovely 14:28 Brooke realised that when you totted things up 14:28 Brooke way to go 14:29 kmkale_ what about keynote? 14:29 Brooke restaurants might not be a bad pull if you know 14:29 Brooke #topic keynote 14:29 SpaceLibrarian_home bookstores too 14:29 SpaceLibrarian_home yes. 14:29 SpaceLibrarian_home keynote. ideas? 14:30 kmkale_ still here 14:30 SpaceLibrarian_home and will you have sponsorship for whomever? 14:30 kmkale_ SpaceLibrarian_home: not as of now 14:30 SpaceLibrarian_home hmmmm.... 14:30 SpaceLibrarian_home do you have an idea as to who to ask? 14:30 kmkale_ but yes if we get the targetted amount 14:30 SpaceLibrarian_home okay. 14:32 kmkale_ WHo did keynote last time in NZ? 14:32 Brooke Rosa 14:32 kmkale_ and before that? 14:32 Brooke Paul mebbe? 14:32 Brooke could have been Chris? 14:32 Brooke hang on I'll check 14:33 Brooke the welcome was listed as Chris and Paul 14:34 SpaceLibrarian_home I still think Jo would be fantastic. 14:35 kmkale_ We have one candidate in mind Dr ARD Prasad http://drtc.isibang.ac.in/DRTC/ardcv.html 14:35 kmkale_ Haven't contacted him yet though 14:35 Brooke who's he? 14:35 wahanui he is picky 14:36 gmcharlt wahanui: forget he 14:36 wahanui gmcharlt: I forgot he 14:36 SpaceLibrarian_home He's quite the academic lis heavyweight from the looks of things. 14:37 kmkale_ He is 14:37 kmkale_ a leading figure in LIS circles in India 14:37 SpaceLibrarian_home good idea. 14:38 gmcharlt kmkale_: does he know OSS? 14:38 kmkale_ Oh yes gmcharlt 14:38 gmcharlt cool 14:38 Brooke do we want a full on hardcore academic conference? 14:38 kmkale_ he keeps publishing a Koha livecd too 14:38 tcohen hi #koha 14:38 SpaceLibrarian_home Brooke raises a good point 14:39 kmkale_ with DSPACE and more stuff clubbed in 14:39 tcohen have a question for librarians 14:39 kmkale_ keeps it upto date with the stable releases 14:39 tcohen there exists a list of Marc codes for relators 14:39 tcohen (at least for MARC21) 14:40 kmkale_ Brooke: do we want a full on hardcore academic conference? is a key question 14:40 * Brooke nods 14:40 * SpaceLibrarian_home agrees 14:40 kmkale_ cause VPM is an old academic institution 14:40 SpaceLibrarian_home because the way this is looking 14:40 SpaceLibrarian_home it's shaping up to be a very academic library conf. 14:40 kmkale_ so we need to assert what kinda conference we want 14:40 tcohen is it reasonable that the $e field (e.g. for 700 field) be selected from a list of authorized values? 14:40 kmkale_ else it WILL be a full on academic conference 14:41 * Brooke rebels against the thought of that. 14:41 SpaceLibrarian_home it's heading in that direction, kmkale_ 14:41 Brooke I <3 academic stuff, but I'd argue it's not a close fit to the community at large. 14:41 tcohen so we can treat it in the UI as needed ? 14:41 kmkale_ so Koha people better start cooming up with papers and presentations 14:41 Brooke I wouldn't oppose tracking that, though 14:41 SpaceLibrarian_home and you need to make it inclusive or you won't get the numbers 14:42 kmkale_ I want to a some good stuff on future features like from Brooke and some solid technical papers too 14:42 SpaceLibrarian_home The KohaConf needs to be getting more air time to get the papers. 14:42 kmkale_ air time? how? 14:42 SpaceLibrarian_home You'll be getting an abstract in the same vein as Brooke's from me in the next day or so. 14:42 Brooke close for papers is in like august though 14:43 SpaceLibrarian_home Close for papers should be moved earlier 14:43 SpaceLibrarian_home especially for flights, etc 14:43 kmkale_ yep but two months have already gone by since we started 14:43 gmcharlt kmkale_: regarding papers, is remote delivery an option? 14:43 SpaceLibrarian_home And air time - it needs to be seen more on the lists and boards, etc 14:43 SpaceLibrarian_home twitter, etc, etc 14:43 gmcharlt i.e., people skyping in? 14:43 kmkale_ gmcharlt: yes 14:43 Brooke #topic back to papers 14:44 SpaceLibrarian_home more like promoting conf to get papers... 14:44 gmcharlt cool; I suggest promoting that option (up to a point, in my experience too many remote presentations would get tedious for the audience) 14:44 kmkale_ gmcharlt: how about you? Are you attending? if yes a paper? 14:44 SpaceLibrarian_home and promoting KohaConf as a worthwhile conf to go to... 14:44 gmcharlt kmkale_: yes to a paper, not sure yet about whether I'm attending 14:44 Brooke ah go on Galen 14:44 kmkale_ SpaceLibrarian_home: wanna take that task up? please? 14:44 Brooke you surely want to make mischief in India. 14:45 Brooke certainly the little Missus would like to see the Taj Mahal, too. 14:45 gmcharlt :) 14:45 SpaceLibrarian_home will do what I can, kmkale_. I thought slef was going to do some spreading the word as well... 14:45 kmkale_ yes gmcharlt please do make it :) 14:46 kmkale_ ping 14:48 kmkale_ we still here? 14:48 SpaceLibrarian_home yep 14:49 kmkale_ :) 14:49 Brooke yep 14:49 SpaceLibrarian_home anything else? 14:49 wahanui anything else is reinventing the wheel. 14:49 Brooke hehehe 14:49 SpaceLibrarian_home lol 14:49 kmkale_ :)) 14:49 Brooke #topic time and date of next meeting 14:50 Brooke so, I think you should screw me in perpetuity, seeing as how it's an Indian conference and this time is hella inconvenient for y'all 14:50 SpaceLibrarian_home good question 14:50 SpaceLibrarian_home not quite midnight for you, is it, kmkale_? 14:51 kmkale_ how about 3rd June? 14:51 kmkale_ nope its 8.23pm 14:51 SpaceLibrarian_home nice for some. :) 14:51 SpaceLibrarian_home 3rd June's a Friday... 14:51 kmkale_ :) 14:51 SpaceLibrarian_home should be fine for me, depending on the time selected 14:52 Brooke roll it back 8 hours? 14:52 SpaceLibrarian_home can do that. 14:52 SpaceLibrarian_home hmmmm 14:52 SpaceLibrarian_home 6pm 14:52 SpaceLibrarian_home yeah, guess I can do that 14:53 SpaceLibrarian_home 6pm on a Friday is cruel though 14:53 Brooke how about 14:53 SpaceLibrarian_home posswibly crueller than 2am on a Thursday morning 14:53 Brooke you got screwed this time 14:53 gmcharlt SpaceLibrarian_home: on the other hand, how many business meetings do you get to participate in with a beer in hand? 14:53 SpaceLibrarian_home possibly* 14:53 Brooke so you pick a time for next time :P 14:53 SpaceLibrarian_home gmcharlt: I don't actually drink. 14:53 * Brooke gasps. 14:54 gmcharlt ah, sorry for assuming 14:54 SpaceLibrarian_home no often anyway 14:54 Brooke those words don't make sense in that order. 14:54 SpaceLibrarian_home :) 14:54 SpaceLibrarian_home beer and I don't really like each other 14:54 kmkale oops again 14:54 SpaceLibrarian_home How's the 2nd? 14:54 SpaceLibrarian_home with a roll back of 8 hours? 14:54 Brooke it's cool, we'll just have to set you up with Tariq or summat. 14:55 kmkale 2nd is good too 14:55 SpaceLibrarian_home I like 2nd. 14:55 SpaceLibrarian_home Now whisky... yes. 14:55 kmkale lets set a good time for NZ and AU this time 14:56 SpaceLibrarian_home roll back 8 hours 14:56 SpaceLibrarian_home 6pm for NZ, 4 for east Aus 14:56 kmkale good for me 14:56 Brooke which is why you all should just say "Screw Brooke" and be done with it 14:56 SpaceLibrarian_home lol 14:56 Brooke if the time suits the most participants, I just have to ttfu 14:56 kmkale 2nd June 6.00 UTC? 14:57 SpaceLibrarian_home aye 14:57 kmkale we did that last time though 14:57 Brooke sounds good 14:57 kmkale and the Europeans complained 14:57 kmkale ;) 14:57 kmkale and this time none of them are around 14:57 SpaceLibrarian_home and rolling forward 8 hours? 14:57 SpaceLibrarian_home yeah, they can complain when it's not prime time for them 14:57 Brooke I believe thd complained for the Europeans actually. 14:57 SpaceLibrarian_home he did 14:58 SpaceLibrarian_home there weren't any Europeans present anyway. 14:58 Brooke right 14:58 Brooke which is why I have a strict "Screw Brooke" policy 14:58 SpaceLibrarian_home slef isn't european, so I dont' count him. UK is separate... 14:58 kmkale rooling forward 8hrs is 3.30 am for me :( 14:58 Brooke now if there were howls from gmcharlt, they'd be valid. 14:58 SpaceLibrarian_home ouch. yeah. we wont' go there. 14:58 SpaceLibrarian_home 6UTC it is. 14:59 gmcharlt considering the geographic, I'm happy to accommodate any time the others want 14:59 kmkale if you can SpaceLibrarian_home so can I 14:59 SpaceLibrarian_home :) 14:59 Brooke settled at 6UTC 2nd June 14:59 Brooke any last minute objections that I shall ruthlessly ignore, pinning the blame on gmcharlt? 14:59 kmkale but the i'd prefer 3rd cause then 4rth is a saturday 15:00 SpaceLibrarian_home and thurs is bad because? 15:00 Brooke wasn't the 3rd bad for spacelibrarian? 15:00 SpaceLibrarian_home yep 15:00 kmkale 3.30am on a friday morning will ruine my workday ;) 15:00 SpaceLibrarian_home but it's not ayt 3.30am for you 15:00 SpaceLibrarian_home at* 15:00 kmkale IF we are rolling forward by 8 15:01 SpaceLibrarian_home we're not rolling forward 15:01 kmkale if we are rolling back no probs 15:01 SpaceLibrarian_home we're rolling back 15:01 kmkale aahh great 15:01 Brooke it's 6UTC 15:01 Brooke no one's quarreling that 15:01 kmkale then 2nd June 6UTC? 15:01 Brooke right? 15:01 kmkale great 15:01 SpaceLibrarian_home yep 15:01 coryj Perhaps hold it the day before but roll forward 16? 15:02 Brooke k set 2 June 6 UTC 15:02 SpaceLibrarian_home awesome 15:02 * Brooke will impose her iron will on the community by means of secret chocolate attacks. 15:02 SpaceLibrarian_home done, I think 15:02 kmkale :) 15:03 SpaceLibrarian_home And time for bed, methinks. As soon as Brooke closes this meeting... 15:03 kmkale I can enjoy the IPL now 15:03 Brooke it's closed 15:03 Brooke scurry 15:03 Brooke #endmeeting 15:03 huginn Meeting ended Wed May 4 15:06:10 2011 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) 15:03 huginn Minutes: http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-05-04-14.00.html 15:03 huginn Minutes (text): http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-05-04-14.00.txt 15:03 huginn Log: http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-05-04-14.00.log.html 15:03 SpaceLibrarian_home Who's playing? 15:03 kmkale good night SpaceLibrarian_home 15:04 kmkale mumbai vs pune 15:04 kmkale Sachin batting :) 15:04 SpaceLibrarian_home nice! 15:04 * SpaceLibrarian_home misses IPL. 15:04 SpaceLibrarian_home And on that note. Good night/morning/etc/etc see you in a few hours... 15:04 Brooke night babe 15:04 * SpaceLibrarian_home waves. 15:08 oleonard I can't create a CSV profile in master. Can anyone confirm? 15:30 Brooke hey Owen... 15:30 Brooke you going to KohaCon? 15:33 conan tcohen: I got to go now, but here the chief librarian chose to set 700$e with authorised_values 15:33 conan bye now 15:33 tcohen conan, thats good 15:34 oleonard Brooke: No, can't afford it 15:35 kmkale aw oleonard wish you would 15:36 oleonard I wish I could. I've got three kids at home, so getting away is always difficult. Add to that the expense of travel... 15:37 kmkale oleonard: no sponsorship? 15:38 oleonard I work for a small public library. Travel within the US is sometimes paid for, but not out of the country. 15:38 kmkale :( could you try to do a remote presentation oleonard? 15:42 oleonard kmkale: I hesitate to do so just because I don't find remote presentations very enjoyable from an audience member's point of view 15:42 kmkale oleonard: something from you is better than nothing 15:42 * Brooke points out that they're more satisfying than naught. 15:43 oleonard Thanks kmkale 15:43 Brooke think about it, pretty please? 15:43 oleonard Sure, I'll think about it 15:44 Brooke \/\/00+ 15:44 kmkale oleonard: I am lining up dedicated bandwidth and couple of projectors so you can be seen as well as the presentatiobn 15:45 slef hi #koha. I hope you're having a better day than me :) 15:46 kmkale Namaste slef 15:46 oleonard Honestly lately I feel like the interface janitor rather than someone who is doing any interesting work. I think Catalyst is doing some really nice OPAC stuff lately 15:47 Brooke 0/ 15:50 jcamins Brooke: what on earth was that smiley earlier? 15:50 Brooke which one? 15:50 wahanui i guess which one is it 15:50 jcamins I've been trying to figure it out for 7 minutes, and I just haven't the foggiest idea what it's supposed to represent. 15:50 jcamins \/\/00+ 15:51 Brooke heh 15:51 Brooke that's not a smiley 15:51 Brooke it's 1337 for woot 15:51 slef woot 15:51 slef Brooke is so 'leet 15:51 jcamins Ah. 15:51 Brooke heh NOT 15:51 jcamins No wonder I couldn't tell. 15:51 * Brooke doesn't even make the bar for script kiddie. 15:52 slef I think there's a leet-speek filter in a debian package somewhere 16:02 slef @seen wizzyrea 16:02 huginn slef: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 4 days, 20 hours, 7 minutes, and 57 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> don't apologize, gotta do what you gotta do :) 16:03 oleonard @seen wizzyrea` 16:03 huginn oleonard: wizzyrea` was last seen in #koha 1 day, 20 hours, 52 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: <wizzyrea`> bbinasec 16:03 oleonard @seen wizzyrea_ 16:03 huginn oleonard: wizzyrea_ was last seen in #koha 20 hours, 9 minutes, and 52 seconds ago: <wizzyrea_> dev cycle too 16:03 jcamins @seen wizzyrea_away 16:03 huginn jcamins: wizzyrea_away was last seen in #koha 2 days, 0 hours, 35 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: <wizzyrea_away> :) 16:03 oleonard @seen wizzyrea_away 16:03 huginn oleonard: wizzyrea_away was last seen in #koha 2 days, 0 hours, 35 minutes, and 7 seconds ago: <wizzyrea_away> :) 16:04 Brooke stalk much? ;) 16:04 oleonard Yeah, huginn. Perv. 16:04 jcamins Doesn't she also have a separate nick for her phone? 16:06 Brooke @quote add oleonard "Yeah, huginn. Perv." 16:06 huginn Brooke: The operation succeeded. Quote #131 added. 16:08 jwagner oleonard, got time for a jquery question? I'm trying to make the second item in a pulldown list be selected automatically, and can't quite work out the syntax 16:08 jwagner Not the pulldown I'm working on, but similar to making the masthead search default to Title rather than the first Library Catalog entry 16:10 oleonard jwagner: Does the <select> already have an <option> with the "selected" attribute 16:10 jwagner No, it's defaulting to the first one in the list 16:11 oleonard Does the <select> have a unique id? 16:12 jwagner Yes, it does 16:14 jwagner I've tried things like $("select[name='multibranchlimit'] option:second").selected; 16:15 jwagner and variations on the theme 16:15 oleonard $("#masthead_search option").eq(3).attr("selected","selected"); 16:17 Brooke 0/ 16:17 jwagner Where the eq(3) is the numbre of the item I want selected? 16:18 oleonard Yes, possibly starting from 0, possibly from 1. Don't remember the rule. 16:18 jwagner OK, I'll try that -- thanks! 16:19 slef oleonard: bleah. Still think I'll email :) 16:21 kmkale bye all. good night 16:31 cait hi #koha 16:31 Brooke 0/ 16:40 slef hi cait 16:44 coryj During an import is it normal for ampersands (&) in titles to be converted to & before being written to biblioitems? 16:45 slef that sounds like the wrong point for it to happen :-/ 16:45 coryj Should be escaped on display, right? 16:45 slef yeah 16:46 slef it would also be escaped in marcxml but I forget which table that is in 16:46 coryj thought so. Vendor's fix was to stop escaping in the template... not to correct the data. 16:46 coryj hrm... That is where I was looking.. marcxml column in biblioitems 16:47 slef oh well, it'll be escaped in the XML 16:47 slef can't have bare & in XML 16:47 slef XSL Template? 16:48 coryj ok. hm. Just looked in biblio table and it is correct there 16:56 coryj So, if I do a title search, should it be matching against the value in biblioitems.marcxml(tag 245.a) or should it be searching biblio.title ? 16:58 slef depends how you do the search, how zebra is configured, and so on 16:58 slef bbl 16:59 coryj Fair enough, but is their a recommended search setup for zebra? 17:01 coryj Right now, if I do a title search for "amp" I get anything with an ampersand in the name. 17:11 * cait waves to slef 17:24 druthb o/ 17:24 freebe Installing Koha 3.4.0 I get 17:24 freebe Software error: Can't call method "id" on an undefined value at InstallAuth.pm line 279. 17:25 freebe Is this a bug? 17:25 cait how did you install koha? 17:25 cait are all modules installed? 17:26 freebe tar.gz and following INSTALL instructions 17:26 freebe Yes, I think all the modules are installed 17:26 cait hm 17:26 freebe Maybe there is a fix for this in the Git tree? 17:26 cait I am not sure it's a bug 17:27 cait are you past the webinstaller? 17:27 freebe no, I am starting the webinstaller. Starting the web installer it when it fails 18:20 jwagner oleonard, online? 18:20 oleonard Yes 18:21 jwagner That jquery thing, I couldn't get it to work with your syntax, but did with this: $("select[name='multibranchlimit'] option:second").attr("selected","selected"); 18:21 jwagner It does count from zero 18:23 jwagner Sorry, to clarify, your syntax does count from zero -- this syntax counts from one 18:25 oleonard So the question is why did it work for me and not for you. 18:30 * wizzyrea waves 18:30 oleonard Hi wizzyrea. slef was looking for you earlier. 18:31 wizzyrea :) yea, he emailed me 18:31 oleonard Back on home turf wizzyrea? 18:32 wizzyrea yepper 18:32 wizzyrea conf wasn't bad for a first try 18:32 * gmcharlt waves from home 18:32 wizzyrea woot gmcharlt made it :) 18:32 wizzyrea we missed you though, oleonard 18:32 wizzyrea maybe next year :) 18:33 jwagner oleonard, I dunno, but you gave me enough of a lead to get it worked out. Thanks! 18:34 oleonard wizzyrea: You'll have to come and collect my brain yourself. How does a brain in a jar get on a plane with more than 3 oz. of liquid anyway? Doctor's note? 18:35 wizzyrea [off] I actually accidentally went through security with my baggie still in my bag 18:35 wizzyrea [off] and they didn't stop me 18:36 gmcharlt [off] same here flying up 18:36 wizzyrea hmm 18:36 wizzyrea they did catch my shoes though 18:36 wizzyrea I was in a hurry to get through in madison 18:36 wizzyrea I thought I was going to miss it 18:39 coryj [off] glad I drove. Don't have the nerves for that. 18:40 jcamins [off] I'm not looking forward to my flight to Budapest. I'm hoping being all glowy will make the USian security guards less surly. 18:41 oleonard Are we all afraid [off] the TSA reading the IRC log? 18:42 jcamins [off] I don't know. It seemed the thing to do. 18:42 * gmcharlt is just following wizzyrea's trend ;) 18:42 * jcamins [off] is cultivating an air of mystery. 18:43 wizzyrea [off] same here. Truthfully, it's going over the internet so if they want it, they can have it. But, not being on the record at least means that they have to sift it out of the rest of the random internet traffic, instead of being able to just go to the log and read it. Not that there's any reason to really worry about it (or is there?) 18:43 gmcharlt well, practically speaking, no reason to worry at all 18:43 oleonard [off] Purple monkey dishwasher 18:44 jcamins [off] Unless I'm involved in the conversation, in which case you might have your chances of security clearance ruined by proximity. ;) 18:45 coryj I hate asking... but do any of you have a notebook/netbook with good battery life that is decent for coding use? 18:45 gmcharlt [off] are pinko commie open source zealots even eligible for clearances? ;) 18:45 jcamins coryj: my wife has an eeePC which I'm kind of jealous of. 18:45 coryj I have an eeePC I HATE because of where they place the keys 18:45 jcamins Oh. Well, never mind then. 18:45 coryj lol 18:46 coryj Every time I go to hit the right shift I arrow up instead. 18:46 coryj I like the acer KB layout on the Aspire. But that's a pretty old model now. 18:46 coryj And I was hoping someone was really happy with theirs (even full size as long as the battery life is ok.) 18:51 jcamins coryj: I like my Macbook Pro. But rangi will mock you if you buy one. 18:51 jcamins I *loved* my Fujitsu, until the power port melted. 18:52 coryj Non-melting needs to be a key feature 18:53 oleonard Picky picky. 18:53 jcamins coryj: I know. Otherwise I would've recommended it. 18:53 jcamins That's why I went with a MacBook Pro. 18:53 coryj Don't need the TSA searching my carry-on to find out why it is smoking 18:54 jcamins Lots of people swear by Thinkpads. 18:55 oleonard I have a fairly new Thinkpad which I like pretty well but which doesn't have great battery life 18:55 coryj My prev laptop was a Thinkpad. I got about 2.5 hrs on a charge <thumbs down> 18:55 * jcamins used his wife's old Thinkpad for several years. Hated it. 18:56 jcamins But, the alternative was actually buying a new computer. 18:56 coryj Nothing like getting into the 2nd session of a conference and having your battery die with no outlets anywehere in the room. 18:56 oleonard My Thinkpad does better than 2.5 hours on a charge, but it certainly can't compare to a MacBook 19:00 cait acer timelinex models are said to have a long battery life 19:01 cait we have one of the smaller models at work - using it for long train rides and writing protocols mostly 19:02 coryj I don't suppose you have Linux on that? 19:02 cait no, I am sorry 19:03 coryj No prob. If I didn't have Linux on it I'd be sorry to. ;) 19:03 coryj too even 19:08 slef timelinex doesn't come with LinEx or even any linux? Isnt that an advertising standards offence? ;-) 19:10 cait have not investigated it 19:10 cait and hi slef 19:10 cait :) 19:10 slef hi again cait 19:10 coryj now that you mention it, slef... 19:10 slef oh crikey 19:11 coryj hehe 19:11 * slef runs to get dinner 19:11 cait and he is gone again 19:18 coryj Hmm... going to have to modify the opac screen to show this if you have overdues: 19:18 coryj http://icanhascheezburger.com/2011/04/20/funny-pictures-you-have-some-overdue/ 19:18 jcamins Wow, it just got *really* cold. 19:19 coryj jcamins: A disturbance in the force? 19:19 oleonard Ghost walking by? 19:26 HBankhead white walker, one of "the others" 19:51 rangi morning 19:51 oleonard Hi rangi 19:52 * rangi is happy to see fmarier working on koha features :) 19:53 rangi hey owen, how's the family? 19:54 oleonard Littlest just turned two yesterday 19:54 wizzyrea <3 19:56 oleonard Need to start thinking about what my 7-year-old is going to do with her summer 19:57 rangi ata is 2 end of may 19:58 rangi ohh 7 19:58 rangi I think when we first met she wasn't born eh? 19:59 oleonard No, not when we first met 19:59 oleonard Hey, is Business::ISBN something that we have to get from CPAN? 20:00 * cait waves to rangi and oleonard 20:01 jcamins Someone didn't read INSTALL.whatever. 20:01 rangi heh 20:01 jcamins oleonard: not you. Responding to the mailing list. 20:01 rangi its in squeeze 20:01 rangi and should be ubuntu oleonard 20:03 oleonard I'm getting "prerequisite Business::ISBN 2.05 not fount" after doing 'perl Makefile.PL'. Ubuntu. 20:03 jcamins sudo apt-get install libbusiness-isbn-perl 20:04 oleonard So that should be part of install_misc/ubuntu.packages 20:04 oleonard ? 20:04 adnc any news to debian packaged koha 3.4? 20:05 jcamins oleonard: I thought we added it. 20:05 jcamins But, if we didn't, yes, it should be. 20:07 rangi adnc: its in progress, we will certainly announce it when it is ready 20:07 adnc rangi, thanks 20:09 rangi the missing dependency is packaged now, so its just dealing with the upgrade from 3.2 and items data moving to go 20:10 rangi gotta be done round the edges of client work though 20:10 rangi adnc: unless you can find us a client who wants to pay for packaging :) 20:11 rangi brb my stop 20:14 adnc ;) 20:24 cait morning SpaceLibrarian_home 20:24 wizzyrea Space_Librarian: mornin :) 20:25 SpaceLibrarian_home hey! :) 20:26 rangi back 20:26 SpaceLibrarian_home morning rangi. 20:27 rangi how was the meeting? 20:27 SpaceLibrarian_home there were 3 of us... 20:28 SpaceLibrarian_home but it was interesting. 20:30 rangi interesting is good 20:32 SpaceLibrarian_home yeah... it is. 20:33 nengard has anyone used the marc export tool in 3.4? 20:34 nengard i keep getting an empty file when i try to export 20:35 nengard i tried bib number range and date range 20:35 nengard but i think the date range is in the item record and my records don't have items 20:36 gmcharlt nengard: it's querying the items directly, not the copy of the items in the bib MARC 20:36 wizzyrea hmm 20:36 nengard gmcharlt, i don't understand what you mean ... i have 800 bib records with no items (holdings) does that mean I can't export the bibs? 20:38 gmcharlt nengard: correct; if the bibs have no items, they would not be selected by date range, since it's presently looking for the item dateaccessioned 20:38 nengard right - that i assumed, but I tried to do it using bib numbers 20:38 nengard and that didn't work either 20:39 gmcharlt if library, call number, itemtype, or date range is selected as the filter 20:39 gmcharlt will only pull in bibs that are linked to items 20:39 gmcharlt doing it by bib number shoudl work, but only if none of those other filters are selected 20:39 nengard http://screencast.com/t/xoONp6IE 20:40 nengard that's what i have 20:40 nengard and i get a blank marc file 20:41 jcamins nengard: you checked to make sure that those records are really there, right? 20:42 nengard yes :) 20:42 jcamins Okay. Just checking. 20:42 nengard well I know i have 4121 but maybe not 6000 20:42 gmcharlt nengard: hmm, is indybranches turned on in that database by any chance? 20:42 nengard gmcharlt, shoudln't be ... let me go look 20:42 nengard gmcharlt it was!!! 20:43 gmcharlt nengard: ok, there's your answer 20:43 nengard it worked 20:43 nengard you're awesome :) thanks 20:43 nengard I must have turned it on to test something and forgot to turn it back off 20:43 nengard gmcharlt++ 20:43 gmcharlt if indybranches is turned on, it effectively adds a filter to the user session's current branch 20:43 gmcharlt ... 20:43 gmcharlt in some circumstances that could be construed as a bug 20:43 nengard that shouldn't be there for super librarians ... i would think 20:43 nengard for them it would be a bug 20:44 gmcharlt yeah 20:44 nengard right? 20:44 gmcharlt and it is a bug for them 20:44 nengard okay I report that as a bug then 20:44 coryj Yeah, we have librarians that serve multiple branches too who would be quite annoyed. 20:44 jcamins Someone talk me out of serving French toast for dinner. 20:44 nengard jcamins, if you're not coming to give me some too then you can't serve french toast for dinner 20:44 coryj jcamins: I think that is a splendid idea 20:44 gmcharlt jcamins: I'm a big fan of breakfast for any meal, so ... no help from me ;) 20:44 nengard did that work? :) 20:44 jcamins nengard: no. 20:44 ibeardslee only if you don't have maple syrup to go with it 20:45 nengard hehe 20:45 * jcamins has maple syrup. 20:45 nengard can't help then cause i love breakfast for dinner 20:45 ibeardslee should be no reason not to then 20:45 jcamins I was going to have French toast for breakfast, but Shari -- very unusually -- voluntarily suggested omelets, so we had omelets. 20:45 jcamins But I've been thinking about French toast all day. 20:46 cait so you should have them :) 20:47 jcamins Gee, you were all so helpful at talking me out of French toast for breakfast. 20:47 ibeardslee I might end up picking up some fresh bread and eggs on the way hme 20:47 coryj Dooo-eeet! 20:47 SpaceLibrarian_home hmmmmm.... french toast. 20:47 jcamins It's going to be *amazing* French toast. 20:47 gmcharlt heh 20:47 jcamins The bread I baked yesterday is absolutely perfect. 20:47 SpaceLibrarian_home I think I may find some for breakfast. 20:47 gmcharlt I see you're getting your revenge on us for not helping you ;) 20:47 * gmcharlt is suddenly hungry 20:48 jcamins It was an experimental recipe, but it seemed to work out well, even if it wasn't quite what I was going for. 20:48 rangi coryj: i think ive just placed who you are :) you were at kohacon09 right? 20:49 Brooke kia ora 20:49 rangi hiya Brooke 20:50 Brooke :) 20:50 wizzyrea heya brooke 20:50 jcamins I wish Shari's class didn't end at 6:15. I've talked myself into wanting dinner now. 20:50 Brooke <3 20:50 Brooke I think I'd vomit if I had to eat dinner at 5 most days. 20:51 SpaceLibrarian_home hey Broole 20:51 SpaceLibrarian_home Brooke 20:52 * SpaceLibrarian_home isn't quite awake yet 20:52 rangi ok, i want to add 658 to fields searched under subject, its just a matter of editing the zebra configs and reindexing eh? 20:52 Brooke bounced back right away love. 20:52 gmcharlt rangi: yep 20:52 rangi cool 20:54 jcamins rangi: doesn't my patch do that? 20:54 rangi it might, but this is an older 3.2.x install 20:54 jcamins Ah. 20:54 rangi what was the bug? 20:55 * rangi will see if he can apply it :) 20:55 jcamins Oh, no, never mind. 20:55 jcamins It was an earlier one. 20:57 rangi ? 20:57 jcamins Apparently 658 was already added. 20:58 rangi oh really, do you ahve any idea when? 20:58 jcamins Looking now. 20:58 rangi awesome thank you 20:59 jcamins Okay, that's weird. 21:00 jcamins There's no commit. 21:00 jcamins You'll have to edit it manually. 21:01 jcamins I did all but 658 with my patch. 21:01 wizzyrea hm, would it be cool to have a "pick your framework" option for ztarget imports as well as staged imports? 21:02 jcamins I guess there should be a follow-up 21:04 rangi heya skushner 21:04 jcamins Wow, this is taking forever. 21:05 rangi yeah it goes 656 657 690 21:05 Brooke as in longer than checking mail in Horowhenua, or shorter? 21:05 jcamins (git pulling Master into my bug branch) 21:05 cait wizzyrea: you can do that in acq 21:05 * Brooke is guessing shorter. 21:05 jcamins rangi: oh, in that case you'll need the patch for bug 5192 (433b77b750a155f50d9db4a2e6c9fdf4be6ed169). 21:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5192 enhancement, P1, ---, jwagner, REOPENED , Add new index and search option for 658 curriculum field 21:06 wizzyrea aha, I wonder then 21:06 jcamins And my follow-up to 5868. 21:06 wizzyrea if it ought to just be something we do at all points of record ingress 21:11 skushner bg:( 21:11 skushner :D 21:11 rangi ta jcamins 21:11 coryj rangi: Yeah, and the hackfest afterwards 21:12 rangi welcome back skushner 21:12 rangi coryj: right ;-) 21:12 rangi cool to 'see' you again 21:14 jcamins rangi: sent you a follow-up patch. 21:15 coryj rangi: you too. 21:15 coryj Decided to get more involved again after kudos meeting 21:16 rangi thanks jcamins 21:16 rangi coryj: awesome! 21:18 coryj is it standard for zebra to index title from within biblioitems.marcxml or from biblios.title ? 21:18 gmcharlt always from the marxml 21:19 coryj Is there a way to get it to de-html-encode it before indexing? 21:19 coryj If I search for "amp" in titles, I get every book with an ampersand (&) in it since it is encoded to & in marcxml 21:20 gmcharlt coryj: if you run rebuild_zebra.pl with -x, I suspect that would happy automatically 21:23 coryj going to try that right now 21:24 jcamins Time to pontificate on the national identity of Bukharan Jews in late Imperial Russia. 21:24 jcamins Good night, #koha 21:28 coryj gmcharlt: any downside to rebuilding with -x ? 21:28 gmcharlt coryj: no 21:29 gmcharlt just note that if you use authorities, you have to do 21:29 gmcharlt rebuild_zebra.pl -b -x 21:29 gmcharlt and rebuild_zebra -a 21:29 gmcharlt as separate crontab entries 21:31 coryj looks like rebuild_zebra -a isn't being run at all in a cron job right now 21:32 cait night #koha 21:34 gmcharlt coryj: heh; well, if you're not using authorities, wouldn't need to add it 21:36 coryj Man I'd love to get to Kohacon this year. 21:37 rangi chris_n: you about? 21:38 coryj last year would have been even better... due to location 21:38 rangi @later tell chris_n did you forget to do a push of the 3.4.x branch? 21:38 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded. 22:10 coryj Guess I should go. I was done 1-1/4 hours ago and haven't seen the wife since before Kudos-con. 22:14 rangi spotya later coryj 22:16 coryj rangi: until later. Hope the weather is nice for you. Really warm here today 16C! 22:16 rangi @wunder wellington nz 22:16 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 16.0�C (10:00 AM NZST on May 05, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Rising). 22:16 rangi the same :) 22:16 coryj @wunder wausau, wi 22:16 huginn coryj: The current temperature in Hawthorn Hills Elementary School, Wausau, Wisconsin is 16.9�C (5:19 PM CDT on May 04, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 29%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1023.9 hPa (Falling). 22:17 coryj warmest we've had this spring I think. 22:17 coryj anyhow.. catch you later 22:34 huginn New commit(s) kohagit32: Bug 6031 : Fix for syntax (bashism crept into a pure sh script) <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8708377894676f3d295b8f6a23d1ae4c0ffb20a2> / Bug 6282: HomeOrHoldingBranchReturn missing from pref file <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=50796d5b73aa3e6be16763a3db05ea32458316df> / Bug 6001 : batchRebuildBiblioTables.pl doesn't crash anymore when GetMarcBiblio fail 22:43 jenkins_koha Starting build 23 for job Koha_3.2.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 22:54 jcamins_away Horror! I can't find my maple syrup anywhere! 23:04 rhcl and maple syrup would be required for what why? 23:05 jcamins_away rhcl: French toast! 23:05 rhcl ah, yes, of course. I forgot you were in the Nepal time zone (or whereever it's 7:00 am right now). 23:06 jcamins_away I didn't have it for breakfast, so I'm having it for dinner. :P 23:06 rhcl of course 23:07 jcamins_away I told #koha to talk me out of it earlier, and they completely failed. 23:07 coryj I' 23:08 coryj I'll have you know... it is your fault that we are having french toast for dinner tonight. 23:09 jcamins_away coryj: but doesn't it sound wonderful? 23:09 coryj yeah, that's the problem. 23:10 coryj Wife said... what should we have for dinner and half jokingly I said "French toast?" 23:10 coryj She said, "That sounds GREAT!" 23:10 * jcamins_away has started a movement. 23:10 jcamins_away :D 23:12 eythian http://thedailywtf.com/#PPic1 23:13 coryj Only bad thing is we don't have fresh bread. But we do have eggs fresh from our chickens. 23:13 jcamins_away coryj: ooh. 23:13 coryj jcamins_away: Trade you some home-made bread for fresh eggs. 23:13 jcamins_away If only I had fresh eggs -- and knew where my maple syrup was -- dinner would be perfect. 23:14 jcamins_away coryj: I think it would be easier for me to ship the bread than for you to ship the eggs. ;) 23:14 coryj Too bad I didn't just decide to have french toast when it came up before. We could have ahd some fresh bread. 23:14 coryj jcamins_away: nah... just no promices on the condition when they arrive 23:15 jcamins_away Heh. 23:15 jcamins_away coryj: well, how long until dinner? 23:15 coryj Actually, the wife ships eggs all the time. 23:15 coryj Lets see... US post office + time till next pick up * hunger = 5-6 days I think. 23:15 coryj My shipping math is rusty. 23:16 jcamins_away coryj: no, I meant for you baking fresh bread. 23:17 coryj jcamins_away: ahh. A batch usually takes us about 90 min or so. 23:17 coryj I'm too hungry now to wait for that. 23:17 jcamins_away Heh. 23:17 jcamins_away That's too bad. 23:17 coryj And the wife is armed with scissors so... 23:17 jcamins_away If you were on the West Coast, you'd have time. 23:18 coryj it's 6:21 here tho. 23:19 coryj If I were on the west coast it would probably be nicer out too. 23:19 coryj @wunder 54414 23:19 huginn coryj: The current temperature in Antigo, Wisconsin, Antigo, Wisconsin is 16.4�C (6:12 PM CDT on May 04, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 26%. Dew Point: -3.0�C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026.0 hPa (Falling). 23:20 coryj although today might have been the warmest so far this year 23:20 coryj definately warmer/nicer than during the Kudos conf last two days 23:21 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.2.x build #23: SUCCESS in 38 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.2.x/23/ 23:21 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: history.txt updates for April 2011 releases 23:21 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 3543: split NLM call numbers in label creator 23:21 jenkins_koha * Robin Sheat: Bug 5509 - use an XML parser to get values from config 23:21 jenkins_koha * Matthias Meusburger: Bug 6001 : batchRebuildBiblioTables.pl doesn't crash anymore when GetMarcBiblio fails. Unprocessed biblionumbers are displayed at the end of the execution instead. 23:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3543 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED , Spine labels - NLM call numbers not splitting 23:21 jenkins_koha * Colin Campbell: Bug 6282: HomeOrHoldingBranchReturn missing from pref file 23:21 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 6031 : Fix for syntax (bashism crept into a pure sh script) 23:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5509 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, ASSIGNED , Packaging scripts get upset when there's an LDAP configuration in the koha_conf.xml 23:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6001 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, matthias.meusburger, ASSIGNED , batchRebuildBiblioTables.pl crashes when GetMarcBiblio fails. 23:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6282 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, colin.campbell, ASSIGNED , HomeOrHoldingBranchReturn syspref missing from *.pref file 23:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6031 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, ASSIGNED , koha-rebuild-zebra doesn't allow XML and verbose indexing 23:26 druthb o/ 23:26 * jcamins_away waves to druthb 23:27 druthb hi, teammate! :) 23:28 jcamins_away Made it safely back to DC? 23:30 druthb I did. back at home, safe and sound. 23:30 jcamins_away Hooray! 23:31 jcamins_away French toast all around to celebrate! 23:32 druthb om nom nom 23:32 coryj jcamins_away: Have the eggs in the bowl. Beautiful #ffcc11 colored yolks. Can tell they're getting outside now that spring is here. 23:32 coryj hrmmm. maybe #ffbb00 - not so good at color-matching 23:33 druthb coryj: it was great meeting you in Madison! :) 23:33 coryj druthb: Same here. Wish we could have had you do our migration. 23:34 jcamins_away coryj: lucky. My wife won't be home for another hour or two. 23:34 coryj We just imported data from our Sr. high school and I took a look at it today. :( not impressed with the clean-up we paid for. 23:35 coryj First search I found categories of "Horse" "Horse," "HORSE" and "HORSE," to match. 23:36 coryj jcamins_away: cast iron pan is hot now 23:36 jcamins_away coryj: at least you didn't have "7TH FL BOX" as a location... for a library in a building with only 5 floors. 23:37 coryj lol 23:38 jcamins_away Ooh! Or "ASK AT OFFICE." 23:38 jcamins_away The librarian who presumably entered that didn't recall the book at all. 23:39 coryj Unfortunately, the library this is from is completely against Koha and insists only Destiny will work for them. 23:40 jcamins_away Ugh. 23:40 coryj Multiple categories in Koha when their old app shows one will be one more bit of "proof" that it isn't up to the job. 23:41 coryj Two of our six librarians feel that way. The truth is that both of them want the computer to do everything.. and the Follett rep says destiny will. 23:43 coryj man, it smells good here. Gonna have to go eat my french toast. 23:43 jcamins_away druthb: how about you? French toast for dinner? :) 23:47 druthb hm...got some chinese takeout on the way... 23:48 jcamins_away druthb: you're missing International French Toast Day! 23:48 * jcamins_away is rather fixated on French Toast... he wanted it for breakfast, and has spent all day thinking about how yummy it is. 23:48 coryj druthb: for shame 23:51 coryj wb 23:51 coryj ;) 23:52 eythian you had a minute there to spew invective without be recorded, and you missed it! 23:52 eythian *being 23:53 coryj the french toast was YUMMY! 23:54 coryj But now we really must make some bread so we have some nice slightly-stale homemade bread for next time. 23:55 coryj hrm.. when I do a title search for "amp" I am still getting every record that has an ampersand (&) in the title. 23:55 coryj I assume it is because it is encoded as "&" in the marcxml record. 23:56 jcamins_away coryj: probably. 23:56 jcamins_away I guess you actually have books with the word "amp" in the title? 23:57 coryj no clue. I'm not going to mention this little "bug" to anyone here lest the anti-Koha librarians blow it out of proportion. 23:57 jcamins_away Very sensible. 23:59 * coryj wonders if title shoudl be hrml-decoded before being indexed in rebuild_nozebra.pl 23:59 coryj bleh... should be html-decoded...