Time  Nick                  Message
00:00 space_librarian       and something to stop the book being issued to anybody other than the hold requester... or does it do that already?
00:00 space_librarian       Haven't played with issuing yet.
00:01 sekjal                if the item is on hold for somebody, whether or not it's 'waiting', there is a dialog at checkout
00:01 sekjal                but, at least for the library I'm working with right now, that's too late
00:01 sekjal                the patron is already there trying to checkout... can't say to them "oh, sorry, this is on hold for someone else"
00:04 space_librarian       that is a staff problem then, yeah... I never enjoyed saying that to a patron when I was working circ, and it happened surprisingly often.
00:05 sekjal                another idea this library had was to highlight checked in items that have holds on them in Red in the list of returned materials
00:05 sekjal                that way, they could at least go back and say "Oh, whoops, scanned right past that one"
00:06 eythian               that's not a bad idea. Or, ones that go unconfirmed perhaps, they could be batch-confirmed afterwards or something.
00:11 space_librarian       that may work. Especially if you're needing to print holding slips too.
00:12 sekjal                I think doing right the first sweep is the way to go... somehow changing the focus.... will work on a bug report and patch
00:13 sekjal                must depart; it's well past dinner time
00:15 glernil               good day!
00:16 space_librarian       g'day glernil
00:16 glernil               ;)
03:22 space_librarian       @wunder wellington, nz
03:22 huginn                space_librarian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0�C (3:00 PM NZST on April 27, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady).
03:24 AmitG                 heya all
03:24 AmitG                 heya chris
03:38 mtj                   hi AmitG
03:41 AmitG                 heya mtj
04:09 gmcharlt              @quote random
04:09 huginn                gmcharlt: Quote #117: "<druthb> basking ? You bask on the beach...one does not bask in the Potomac River basin...you melt or swelter or something, but you don't bask. :P" (added by jwagner at 01:17 PM, January 24, 2011)
04:09 rangi                 heya gmcharlt
04:09 wahanui               gmcharlt is an expert in all things library technology.
04:09 rangi                 heh
04:09 rangi                 you at the eg conf?
04:10 gmcharlt              yep
04:10 rangi                 sweet
04:13 AmitG                 heya galen
04:14 jenkins_koha          Starting build 231 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED)
04:23 huginn                New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5445: Nicer breadcrumbs when ordering from different sources <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=883bc625b29f8d36064724479fe975e8b6b22f1a>
04:24 cait                  morning #koha
04:24 space_librarian       morning cait
04:24 rangi                 chris_n: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Commits_to_cherry-pick_for_3.4  <-- ive just updated this, please cross any out as you move them
04:24 rangi                 hiya cait
04:25 Brooke_               kia ora
04:25 space_librarian       kia pra!
04:26 space_librarian       ora
04:26 space_librarian       :p
04:26 Brooke_               :D
04:26 rangi                 hi Brooke_
04:26 * Brooke_             salutes Rangi
04:26 space_librarian       I really should sit properly when typing...
04:26 * space_librarian     wave at Brooke_
04:26 * Brooke_             feels the <3
04:26 cait                  :)
04:27 space_librarian       :)
04:27 Brooke_               cait's up with the birds.
04:27 space_librarian       she is.
04:28 eythian               Brooke_: 2.9?
04:29 Brooke_               I could respond, Eythian, but you'd not like the answer I'd supply.
04:29 eythian               I'm doomed never to know...
04:30 Brooke_               you're less scarred that way, dear.
04:30 eythian               man, I was reading something about scarification earlier today. That's quite mad.
04:31 * Brooke_             nods.
04:31 eythian               Although can look good. (or, can look terrible.)
04:31 Brooke_               I'm willing to tattoo until the sun comes up
04:31 Brooke_               scarification...
04:31 Brooke_               though one of the big fights I've had
04:31 Brooke_               was over sun dance.
04:31 space_librarian       scarfication never ends well
04:32 eythian               http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Fzq94YVbHHM/SBcwcPzm5SI/AAAAAAAAJI4/ZJo_Ac1Z6QM/s1600-h/Scarification_07.jpg <-- space_librarian, beg to differ
04:33 space_librarian       you're not seeing that close up though.
04:33 huginn                New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6259: AllowHoldPolicyOverride causes every hold to need override <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6059599fac4cfd0b12af48348a6d349974205697>
04:33 Brooke_               that is a nice one
04:33 eythian               I can give you an in-progress photo, too. But it might be be a bit much for a family friendly channel.
04:34 * space_librarian     has a friend who's scarring really didn't work out.
04:34 eythian               erk :/
04:34 space_librarian       yep.
04:35 space_librarian       which is why I like my ink...
04:35 Brooke_               that would definitely be summat I checked and double checked...
04:35 * space_librarian     agrees.
04:35 eythian               Brooke_: you can't really check it
04:35 eythian               because it's pretty varable
04:35 Brooke_               aye
04:35 Brooke_               but you can know the history
04:35 space_librarian       true dat.
04:35 Brooke_               and you can also "test" a wee patch
04:36 * Brooke_             notes that the koha channel is sweet at night.
04:36 * space_librarian     laughs
04:36 eythian               It's the afternoon
04:36 Brooke_               pfft
04:36 Brooke_               close enough to quitting time ye could skive off without Mr. Christie noticing ;)
04:36 eythian               He's already left :)
04:37 Brooke_               you could be all like "This yank said it was o tay."
04:37 space_librarian       Brooke_: I believe the correct term is "timey wimey wibbley wobbley stuff", not pfft.
04:37 eythian               also, my brain just isn't switched on today, so there's not much point me having a long day.
04:37 Brooke_               space_librarian: I've got it.
04:37 space_librarian       :p Excellent. I knew you had good taste.
04:38 Brooke_               oh gods no
04:38 Brooke_               must have the wrong Brooke
04:38 space_librarian       haha
04:54 jenkins_koha          Project Koha_master build #231: SUCCESS in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/231/
04:54 jenkins_koha          Katrin Fischer: Bug 5445: Nicer breadcrumbs when ordering from different sources
04:54 huginn                04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5445 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, NEW, Acq: No way back to order from z39.50 result page
04:54 jenkins_koha          Starting build 232 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
05:02 Brooke_               0/
05:02 druthb                o/
05:02 Brooke_               hope you've recovered from that horrible bore you were spotted with earlier
05:03 druthb                harrrrumph!
05:03 * space_librarian     waves at druthb
05:03 space_librarian       cya ya'll later....
05:03 * druthb              waves to space_librarian
05:03 space_librarian       :)
05:07 Brooke_               cheers
05:08 cait                  oh
05:08 cait                  it rains
05:08 cait                  @wunder Konstanz
05:08 huginn                cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 11.0�C (7:00 AM CEST on April 27, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1015 hPa (Falling).
05:09 eythian               @wunder wellington, nz
05:09 huginn                eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0�C (5:00 PM NZST on April 27, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady).
05:09 eythian               it doesn't mention the 50kph wind :(
05:11 Brooke_               pfft
05:11 Brooke_               a fine thing for a sail :P
05:12 druthb                @wunder 20852
05:12 huginn                druthb: The current temperature in Potomac Woods, Rockville, Maryland is 22.0�C (1:14 AM EDT on April 27, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 18.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014.1 hPa (Steady).
05:27 cait                  eythian: bug! :)
05:27 eythian               cait: beetle?
05:28 eythian               oh yeah, that. I forgot. Another day, I think I'm getting sick.
05:28 eythian               so am not going to hand around tonight
05:29 cait                  get better :)
05:29 eythian               I plan to try
05:29 eythian               *hang around tonight
05:29 eythian               that makes more sense
05:29 cait                  it was only a friendly nudge - I am busy with this presentation too
05:29 eythian               OK :)
05:33 cait                  but you know, bug wrangler's job is pestering people ;)
05:34 eythian               fair point :)
05:34 Brooke_               I thought pestering was my domain :P
05:35 Brooke_               though I suppose I pester through humour.
05:35 * eythian             goes away now, bye all
05:35 Brooke_               Death by bullshite!
05:35 Brooke_               feel better.
05:35 jenkins_koha          Project Koha_master build #232: SUCCESS in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/232/
05:35 jenkins_koha          Ian Walls: Bug 6259: AllowHoldPolicyOverride causes every hold to need override
05:35 huginn                04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6259 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, NEW, AllowHoldPolicyOverride ON causes every staff hold to require override
05:40 Brooke_               bid!
05:48 pianohacker           Hallo
05:50 cait                  hallo pianohacker :)
05:51 pianohacker           Hello, cait. How's it going?
05:51 Oak                   \o
05:52 cait                  I am good, long presentation tomorrow
05:52 Oak                   long?
05:55 cait                  80 minutes
06:06 Oak                   good luck
06:08 cait                  thx :)
06:08 cait                  wanted to show how dev works... will probably scare them
06:25 AmitG                 heya cait
06:26 cait                  hi AmitG
06:51 francharb             bonjour all
07:02 magnuse               kia ora #koha
07:03 alex_a                bonjour #koha
07:04 sophie_m              hello #koha
07:04 kf                    hi again #koha
07:04 magnuse               guten morgen kf
07:18 kf                    hi magnuse, hdl and sophie_m
07:18 sophie_m              Guten Tag kf
07:20 magnuse               bonjour biblibre
07:23 kf                    hm, question: library wants all information about fines deleted from system. good idea to truncate accountlines and delete fine related entries from statistics and action logs? or bad plan?
07:24 kf                    my test system looks ok, but I don't want to miss something
07:26 kf                    hi paul_p
07:26 paul_p                hi kf
07:27 kf                    paul_p: do you see a problem with truncating accontlines and removing fine related entries from statistics and action_logs?
07:28 paul_p                kf: you want to do that on one of your database ?
07:28 kf                    yes
07:29 paul_p                I don't see any problem, but it's not the part of Koha I know the best
07:29 kf                    the library starts collecting fines now and wants the old histories and writeoffs etc deleted
07:33 rangi                 that should be fine kf
07:35 paul_p                I think that should be fine. Checked the DB quickly, and don't see any dependancy missed
07:35 rangi                 id dump the tables first
07:36 rangi                 just in case
07:42 paul_p                my main fear is that some tables could have been forgotten and the DB being inconsistent :(
07:42 kf                    rangi, paul_p: thx :)
07:43 kf                    paul_p: hm thought it should be pretty save - no items or borrowers deleted
07:49 kf                    hi SpaceLibrarian_home
07:50 SpaceLibrarian_home   hey kf
07:51 magnuse               hiya SpaceLibrarian_home
07:51 SpaceLibrarian_home   hi magnuse :)
08:36 AmitG                 heya SpaceLirarian
08:46 SpaceLibrarian_home   hey AmitG
08:47 rangi                 @wunder wellington nz
08:47 huginn                rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 11.0�C (7:00 PM NZST on April 27, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Rising).
08:47 rangi                 11 my butt
08:50 kf                    @wunder Konstanz
08:50 huginn                kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 11.9�C (10:50 AM CEST on April 27, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014.4 hPa (Steady).
08:50 kf                    hmpf
08:53 magnuse               @wunder boo
08:53 huginn                magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 5.0�C (10:20 AM CEST on April 27, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady).
08:53 magnuse               hm
08:53 magnuse               @wunder marseille
08:53 huginn                magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 18.0�C (10:30 AM CEST on April 27, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady).
09:01 magnuse               hiya Cybermon
09:02 Cybermon              hi all
09:02 kf                    hi Cybermon
09:03 Cybermon              how are you ?
09:10 Cybermon              kf: where are you from  ?
09:47 kf                    Cybermon: sorry, busy day - I am from Germany
09:50 Cybermon              i see. don't worry.
09:51 Cybermon              all: thanks for creative support in Mongolian koha installation. :-)
10:17 * druthb              waves
10:28 * kf                  waves
10:28 gmcharlt              @quote random
10:28 huginn                gmcharlt: Quote #60: "<owen> My 9-month-old may not be walking yet, but she's got great bib control." (added by gmcharlt at 05:31 PM, February 19, 2010)
10:28 rangi                 that was a short sleep gmcharlt
10:29 gmcharlt              heh, true
10:32 rangi                 http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/news-by-industry/jobs/nokia-to-cut-7000-jobs-outsources-symbian-activities-to-accenture/articleshow/8099244.cms
10:32 rangi                 going with windows 7 instead of android, really working out for them
10:33 chilts                I can't imagine 7000 people getting laid off, that's massive
10:33 rangi                 yeah its crazy eh
10:36 * magnuse             is almost ashamed to own a nokia - but hey, it's got Maemo!
10:36 rangi                 nokia used to be cool, i think slef has one too
10:37 rangi                 and liw
10:37 rangi                 i think he has to, being finnish, i think they give you one at birth :-)
10:37 chilts                I have Nokia ... I like their classical interface 'coz it's fast
10:38 chilts                but I'm thinking of getting something else anyway
10:38 rangi                 the trick is finding a handset manufacturer who isnt mental
10:39 * SpaceLibrarian_home used to have a Nokia. Now she has a Samsung running android...
10:40 chilts                I'll get Android when I stop being a luddite :)
10:40 chilts                maybe later in the year
10:40 * chilts              has it planned
10:40 rangi                 2043
10:40 chilts                heh
10:40 SpaceLibrarian_home   It's the prime reason I got a smart phone.
10:41 * druthb              figured out the second-best way to stay out of the whole iphone-vs-droid melee.
10:41 rangi                 well theres not even a melee there
10:41 * SpaceLibrarian_home wasn't going to sell anymore of her soul to apple.
10:41 rangi                 theres supporting child labour and selling your soul to the devil
10:41 rangi                 or theres android
10:41 rangi                 :)
10:41 * magnuse             can't really imagine a better phone then nokia n900 with maemo (hey, it's based on debian!)
10:42 rangi                 yeah n900 are really cool
10:42 * druthb              uses WebOS  (Palm Pre Plus)
10:42 rangi                 im 99% sure thats what liw has
10:42 magnuse               tangi: yeah i like to think so
10:42 rangi                 and maybe slef too?
10:42 magnuse               or rangi, perhaps
10:42 rangi                 heh
10:42 magnuse               rangi: i think slef has something with symbian on it
10:43 rangi                 ahh right
10:43 magnuse               had in nz, at least
10:48 rangi                 right i should go to sleep
10:48 chilts                ditto
10:49 SpaceLibrarian_home   yup
10:49 * rangi               wanders off
10:49 magnuse               good night, new zealand!
10:49 SpaceLibrarian_home   in the words of my horribly mangled and long disused second language.... goeie nag...
10:50 * SpaceLibrarian_home turns off the lights. :)
11:00 huginn                New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 4959] Language inconsistencies on basket groups; skip confirmation when closing basket. <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4959>
11:50 nengard               does anyone know if biblioitems.publicationyear is actually populated?
11:53 jcamins_away          nengard: pretty sure it isn't.
11:53 nengard               that's my guess too
11:54 kf                    nengard: check unimarc
11:55 kf                    nengard: I remember there was a difference between marc21 and unimarc mappings - I believe for marc21 it's probably copyrightyear
11:55 nengard               yes the copyrightyear is populated
11:55 hdl                   nengard: in marc21, you have copyrightdate and publicationyear
11:56 jcamins               What a great thing to discover... Myshkin broke a glass and the living room is covered in shards of glass.
11:57 nengard               :(
11:58 kf                    hope myshkin is ok?
11:59 jcamins               Yeah, he seems fine, though angry that I won't let him play with the glass.
12:02 kf                    didn't we have a cloud with things we love about koha (from kohacon, made by brooke) somewhere?
12:04 nengard               yes, brooke did have something like that
12:05 nengard               http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/File:Zecloud2.png
12:06 kf                    cool, thx nengard!
12:06 nengard               np
12:06 kf                    another question: I am searching for a school or special library with a nice catalog
12:07 druthb                University medical school library good?
12:08 * jcamins             is very glad that all his wine glasses are plastic.
12:09 kf                    jcamins: plastic wine glasses?
12:09 kf                    druthb: link?
12:09 druthb                http://beckercat.wustl.edu/
12:09 jcamins               kf: yes, so that they won't break.
12:09 druthb                Nothing fancy, but I like it.
12:10 conan                 hi everyone
12:10 kf                    druthb: I would say it's fancy - looks great
12:11 JesseM                druthb every time I see that OPAC i'm amazed
12:12 druthb                Yah.  That's all done with sysprefs, of course--no custom templates or anything.
12:13 * kf                  has to go css hunting when that presentation is over
12:14 jwagner               Not a school or special library, but http://scls.kohalibrary.com and one of its many member branches  http://acl.scls.kohalibrary.com are quite nice.
12:19 kf                    nengard: another question about the tag cloud - do you rmember the question? name 3 things you love about koha?
12:20 nengard               kf i'm sending you the email i found
12:21 kf                    great
12:21 kf                    thank you all!
12:28 ether                 hey guys
12:37 jcamins               loopback_filesystems++
12:42 tcohen                tmpfs++
13:12 mib_h2wz2x            hi there Koha friends:)
13:17 * kf                  waves
13:18 mib_h2wz2x            guys it is possible in Koha to loan itens that are not for loan for some patron categorie?
13:19 mib_h2wz2x            (without activate AllowNotForLoanOverride)
13:19 kf                    no, without the override afaik not
13:20 kf                    what you can do is don't mark the itemtype not for loan but use only circ rules. Some categories can check out 0 of the item type, others more 1+
13:21 mib_h2wz2x            that solution doesn't work for me because of the library policy...
13:22 kf                    ?
13:23 mib_h2wz2x            the solution of mark the itemtype not for loan
13:23 mib_h2wz2x            i'll have to activate the override policy
13:23 jcamins               mib_h2wz2x: saying that certain patron categories can't check out any books of a certain itemtype is the same as saying those itemtypes are not for loan to those patron categories.
13:24 mib_h2wz2x            yes i know that but i need to have one type of category that can checkout everything even item marked as not for loan
13:25 jcamins               mib_h2wz2x: then the only way you can do that is with circ rules.
13:26 mib_h2wz2x            I have a rule for that but the items marked as not for loan can't be checkout...
13:26 jcamins               mib_h2wz2x: you shouldn't have any items marked not for loan. That's why you use circ rules.
13:28 mib_h2wz2x            But I have too... because some books can't get out of the library... they are used for statistical but the statistical user in Koha is very limited (doesn't saves the history)
13:28 jcamins               mib_h2wz2x: I don't think you can have it both ways, sorry.
13:29 mib_h2wz2x            the only option is to activate the not for loan override policy...
13:29 jcamins               mib_h2wz2x: well, that's what you'll have to do, then.
13:30 mib_h2wz2x            thanks for the help anyway :)
13:47 tcohen                hi #koha
13:47 tcohen                is items.dateaccessioned the right place to search for 952$d?
13:49 tcohen                nengard? do u know?
13:51 nengard               um
13:51 nengard               that would be my assumption .. but no i don't know for sure
13:52 tcohen                i tracked through C4/Items.pm and Biblio.pm and just when I arrived the default .sql files for frameworks found that
13:53 jcamins               tcohen: check your frameworks.
13:55 tcohen                jcamins: thanks, i found it already
13:55 tcohen                I have to say that I got a bit worried about how it is handled
13:56 tcohen                if i manage to elaborate on this i'll post a comment  on the list
14:07 ether                 i've being searching for hours to find a relevant comparison for ils but no luck
14:14 rhcl                  Is anything informal planned for the Sunday before Monday (yea, that Sunday) before Kudos?
14:14 rhcl                  I coffee need.
14:14 wizzyrea              i'm getting in pretty late.
14:15 rhcl                  I still don't know my itinerary for sure, but I think I leave MCI @ around 6 am 'ish.
14:17 jwagner               rhcl, I'm on a tight schedule -- coming in early Monday morning & leaving Tuesday afternoon.  But I'd be interested in hearing who all is coming.
14:17 sekjal                rhcl: druthb, bg and I will be arriving later that Sunday afternoon/evening.  nothing planned for that night as far as I know
14:20 druthb                I have a "drinks" plan for later Sunday evening, but my sked is clear for dinner.
14:20 wizzyrea              where late = 10pm to the airport
14:21 rhcl                  Where (what building) is the meeting? I'm looking through my notes and printouts and don't see that specific info.
14:22 rhcl                  Ha, maybe the Pyle Center is a specific building?
14:22 wizzyrea              that's my understanding
14:23 wizzyrea              http://conferencing.uwex.edu/location.cfm
14:25 rhcl                  http://tinyurl.com/pylecenter
14:43 kf                    @quote 123
14:43 huginn                kf: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
14:43 wahanui               i already had it that way, huginn.
14:44 jcamins               I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA?
14:44 jcamins               kf: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA?
14:44 jcamins               Hm.
14:46 wizzyrea              @quote get 123
14:46 huginn                wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
14:46 wahanui               i already had it that way, huginn.
14:53 druthb                @quote random
14:53 huginn                druthb: Quote #61: "*wizzyrea doesn't like hoity toity technical talk...<wizzyrea> wait, that's a lie" (added by jdavidb at 05:19 PM, February 24, 2010)
14:53 druthb                lol
14:53 jcamins               #thingsihavelearnt if there?
14:54 wizzyrea              if there?
14:54 * jcamins             wants to know what it is that wahanui is saving, that it keeps on protesting to huggin.
14:54 wizzyrea              if there?
14:55 jcamins               Quote 123. I was wondering if wahanui had memorized that the answer to that was "is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder"
14:55 wizzyrea              right
15:04 rhcl                  isn't there a list somewhere of Koha development work that's waiting for funding
15:05 nengard               there is a status in bugzilla for that
15:05 nengard               but i'm not sure how often it's used
15:05 wizzyrea              http://koha-community.org/about/enhancing-koha/
15:05 nengard               there are also the RFCs on the wiki
15:20 rhcl                  huginn needs an apropos argument, something like: >hugging apropos bug about customizable receipts
15:20 huginn                rhcl: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
15:20 wahanui               i already had it that way, huginn.
15:42 mib_oannkf            hi guys :)
15:43 mib_oannkf            tell me one thing... it is possible to block holds/reserves on biblio that have items available?
15:44 jcamins               Yes, use an item type that doesn't permit holds.
15:47 mib_oannkf            on the biblioitem?
15:47 jcamins               On the items.
15:48 mib_oannkf            but I want the items to be reserved...
15:48 jcamins               mib_oannkf: you're going to have to explain what you want.
15:49 mib_oannkf            the problem is if a biblio has 4 items and 1 is checked out it's possible to reserve that item... but there is 3 items available, to there is no need to allow reservation...
15:50 kf                    allowonshelfholds
15:50 kf                    off
15:50 kf                    like me now :) see you all later
15:51 mib_oannkf            allowonshelfholds is off
15:52 jcamins               mib_oannkf: I don't think it's possible to do what you want.
15:52 mib_oannkf            :/
16:25 wizzyrea              i'm pretty excited about intranetuserCSS
16:25 wizzyrea              :P
16:28 nengard               wizzyrea are you doing something pretty?
16:28 wizzyrea              not yet ^.^
16:29 wizzyrea              nengard, question for you
16:29 nengard               k
16:29 wizzyrea              do you know where the "add address /phone to slips" is done?
16:30 nengard               i think it's command line ... cause i've never seen it in the gui
16:30 wizzyrea              oooo
16:30 nengard               but i think gmcharlt wrote that or signed off on that
16:30 nengard               so he might know better
16:30 nengard               and once he tells us i can put it in the manual :)
16:31 wizzyrea              kk ty
16:36 rhcl                  administration - libraries,branches,groups - edit branch
16:36 rhcl                  ?
16:37 wizzyrea              there's nothing obvious in there to me that says "put this on the slip"
16:37 rhcl                  maybe that's why it's apparently improved for 3.4?
16:38 wizzyrea              i'm looking at 3.4
16:38 rhcl                  that's how we're doing it currently in 3.2
16:39 wizzyrea              mmm I have addresses in there
16:39 wizzyrea              and they're not on the slip
16:40 cait                  hi again #koha
16:41 wizzyrea              I just double checked that, and in fact the branch addresses are not on the slip
16:42 rhcl                  Well, i donno
16:44 wizzyrea              i'm trying it another way... sec
16:45 wizzyrea              also interesting is the fact that in multi-branch systems the receipts print the home library of the patron, not the set library
16:49 hdl                   i think it is displaying the CircControlBranch library
16:50 hdl                   (the branch where the issue belongs.)
16:50 wizzyrea              hmm
16:50 wizzyrea              that's what I would have expected too
16:51 wizzyrea              but this circ belonged to library A, for patron 1, and patron 1 had a home library of library b. Library b was printed on the receipt
16:51 wizzyrea              circcontrol is set to...
16:52 wizzyrea              use the checkout rules of the library you are logged in at
16:52 wizzyrea              so, that slip should have printed library A, not library B
16:52 cait                  hm
16:52 wizzyrea              (imo)
16:52 cait                  I woul dexpect it to be the library where the item is checked out and returned
16:54 cait                  perhaps naive :)
16:54 wizzyrea              I think that's what I would expect too
16:56 sekjal                was discussing this with some folks last night, but wanted to bring it up with the day crowd:  checking in multiple items and not confirming holds.  problem?
16:57 cait                  our libraries are too small and use self checks
16:57 cait                  s/and/or
16:57 sekjal                I mean, if you're just scanning in book after book, it's very easy to scan past the holds notification confirmation box, which means the hold is never marked as 'waiting' for the next person
16:59 cait                  hm
16:59 sekjal                is it a problem with Koha that you can just keep scanning in these materials without dealing with the confirmation box?  or is it a problem with the practices of the library staff?
17:02 jcamins               wizzyrea: does that page actually print, though?
17:03 wizzyrea              yes
17:03 wizzyrea              i just tried it
17:03 wizzyrea              does it not work?
17:04 jcamins               Apparently it does.
17:04 jcamins               Never mind.
17:05 wizzyrea              oh you know what though
17:05 wizzyrea              there's some duplicate stuff in there that shouldn't be
17:07 wizzyrea              urg.
17:10 wizzyrea              meh. forget I sent that
17:10 wizzyrea              i'm going to have to do it over
17:16 adnc                  hello koha
17:22 ether                 i enabled ldap auth an when i try to login as a ldap user i get this.        Software error:
17:22 ether                 AddMember failed at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Auth_with_ldap.pm line 152.
17:22 ether                 help!!!
17:24 sekjal                ether: so it looks like you're getting as far as the bind, which is good
17:25 sekjal                probably trouble with your <mapping>
17:25 sekjal                do you have patron category and branchcode mapped?
17:25 ether                 yes i think i do
17:26 ether                 <mapping>                  <!-- match koha SQL field names to your LDAP record field names -->
17:26 ether                 <firstname    is="givenname"      ></firstname>
17:26 ether                 <surname      is="sn"             ></surname>
17:26 ether                 <address      is="postaladdress"  ></address>
17:26 ether                 <city         is="l"              >Kingston, JM</city>
17:26 ether                 <zipcode      is="postalcode"     ></zipcode>
17:26 ether                 <branchcode   is="branch"         >MAIN</branchcode>
17:26 ether                 <userid       is="uid"            ></userid>
17:26 ether                 <password     is="userpassword"   ></password>
17:26 ether                 <email        is="mail"           ></email>
17:26 ether                 <cardnumber   is="userpassword"   ></cardnumber>
17:26 ether                 <categorycode is="employeetype"   >PT</categorycode>
17:26 ether                 <phone        is="telephonenumber"></phone>
17:26 ether                 </mapping>
17:27 ether                 i have cardnumber as password becuz all users have thier id as password for now ;)
17:28 sekjal                do you have a MAIN branchcode and PT categorycode configured?
17:28 ether                 let me double check
17:31 ether                 hmm branchcode needs change hmm ;) copy paste
17:32 ether                 YUP that was it how i didnt see that
17:32 ether                 lol
17:32 ether                 thx sekjal
17:32 sekjal                gladly, ether!
17:35 tcohen                do some1 know what qslip and slip differ on?
17:35 sekjal                quickslip is just today's checkouts; slip has all the currently checked out items
17:39 tcohen                thanks sekjañl
17:39 tcohen                sekjal
17:44 cait                  sekjal++
17:52 adnc                  rangi, ping!
17:54 rangi                 who is pinging me at 6am?
17:54 rangi                 :)
17:54 cait                  go back to bed! :)
17:55 adnc                  ohh
17:56 adnc                  sorry, didn't know you are on  a different time zone. go to bed again, ;)
17:58 adnc                  cait, nich gut ne ;)
18:03 hdl                   sekjal: if you can checkout circulation branches or see the commits we did, there is something done about checking in multiple items and holds management.
18:05 cait                  adnc: Ich glaube, er war schon wach ;)
18:05 adnc                  ;)
18:06 hdl                   you can see http://borrowers34.git.biblibre.com/cgi-bin/koha/mainpage.pl test test
18:07 hdl                   you can do whatever you want import some records... and you can test
18:07 sekjal                hdl:  thanks!
18:07 sekjal                the problem with the blind checking in of items comes down to the same problem as the bulk return from the patron detail page...
18:12 bg                    @wunder 93109
18:13 huginn                bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 23.0�C (11:15 AM PDT on April 27, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1014.8 hPa (Rising).
18:20 ether                 sekjal, my ldap has a attribute thats multivalued, is there a way to have koha only retrieve only one of its values?
18:21 sekjal                ether:  there isn't any code to specify which attribute to use, so it would default to whatever Net::LDAP returned.
18:24 ether                 ok so i would have to edit the code in authldap.pm, and check the key after it retrieved that particular mapping in order to have the split, hmm too static, too much hassle for just one value
18:27 adnc                  which table is the barcode stored?
18:27 sekjal                adnc: item barcode or patron barcode?
18:28 adnc                  sekjal, item barcode
18:28 sekjal                items table
18:28 sekjal                items.barcode
18:28 adnc                  thanks
18:28 sekjal                gladly
18:31 ether                 sekjal, can koha update userpass in the ldap?
18:32 sekjal                ether: I don't believe that Koha can update any information in the LDAP... the data flow is only from LDAP to Koha
18:32 ether                 ok thx
18:34 ether                 i'll have to ensure the users know that pw changes in koha wont stick then..will try find a way to redirect pw changes to ldap
18:34 library_systems_guy   sekjal, you're right if you are just talking about default functionality (IE without code mods)
18:34 sekjal                ether: the LDAP password will overwrite whatever local password is in Koha
18:34 ether                 would love if it was done from koha though
18:35 ether                 i realize it will
18:35 library_systems_guy   sekjal, what if update is turned off
18:35 library_systems_guy   and just replicate is on
18:35 cait                  ether: I think there is an option to hide the password change
18:35 cait                  in koha
18:35 library_systems_guy   *thinks cait has the best idea
18:35 cait                  I am on the wrong computer - can't check hot it's called
18:35 ether                 given update is set at 1 and chain of checkk is ldap-->local..etc
18:35 sekjal                library_systems_guy: I believe even then it will update the password
18:36 library_systems_guy   hmm, I thought if update was off it would only poll ldap if the user didn't exist in the koha db
18:36 sekjal                LDAP is checked first, then it falls back to local Koha authentication
18:36 ether                 i think so too
18:36 library_systems_guy   oh boo
18:37 library_systems_guy   i promise thats the last time ill be wrong today :-/
18:37 jcamins               sekjal: wait, it already falls back to local Koha authentication?
18:37 ether                 but i have other system integrated with this ldap that'll make changes from time to time some i want update/replicate
18:37 jcamins               Cool!
18:38 library_systems_guy   jcamins, yeah otherwise people that didn't exists in ldap koha wouldn't care about
18:39 ether                 i suspect the call to update ldap password shouldnt be difficult though
18:39 jcamins               library_systems_guy: yeah, I know. I was just talking yesterday with someone about how much sense it would make if Koha automatically fell back to the Koha db if LDAP failed.
18:39 library_systems_guy   heh
18:39 ether                 should be in net:ldap
18:39 sekjal                interesting issue with LDAP and passwords:  If you update your password in LDAP, you'll still be able to log into Koha with the old password until you log in with the new one
18:39 library_systems_guy   ether, should be provided that the user you're using for the bind has the correct permissions in ldap
18:40 ether                 currently thats where i have an issue
18:40 library_systems_guy   sekjal, really? Well i suppose that makes sense
18:40 adnc                  UPDATE items SET barcode = ( SELECT @c := @c + 1) ORDER BY itemnumber ASC;
18:40 adnc                  sorry
18:41 sekjal                since the LDAP auth fails, it falls back to authenticating against Koha, and since Koha keeps a hashed copy of the LDAP password the last successfully authenticated
18:42 sekjal                the solution is probably to enable a way to tell Koha not to store that local password value
18:42 sekjal                so if LDAP auth fails, you can't get into that account at all
18:42 ether                 the user i used for the bind i had hoped would be used just for locating the bind of the user to be logged in, after locating that bind i had expected a rebind using the current user bind and supplied password
18:43 ether                 this as my ldap allows each user access to change their password
18:44 ether                 maybe koha could either store the current user bind and used it to bind and change the password with ldap if necessary
18:46 library_systems_guy   sekjal, have you told ether the problems you may face with updating after code changes locally?
18:46 sekjal                library_systems_guy: hasn't come up yet
18:47 sekjal                ether: are you familiar with git?
18:47 rangi                 for god sakes use git
18:47 rangi                 is the answer
18:47 library_systems_guy   why do we even offer the tarbell
18:47 sekjal                hi, rangi!
18:47 rangi                 library_systems_guy: you are joking right?
18:48 rangi                 99.9% of koha users run from a release unchanged
18:48 library_systems_guy   oh...
18:48 rangi                 its only a few who modify locally
18:48 wizzyrea              and if you don't do that, for god's sake use git
18:49 rangi                 and only the crazy ones dont use version control
18:49 wizzyrea              (and have the horror stories to prove it ;))
18:49 * jcamins             is crazy, but he uses version control.
18:49 ether                 yes i did a git change on the ubuntu docs before, my difficulty is understanding those perl codes ..in dont know perl well and i notice alot of mnemonic of perl that i need to go figure
18:50 rangi                 the real win, is general solutions that you send upstream
18:50 rangi                 then u dont have local changes
18:51 ether                 i did a quick 3hr crash on perl but i already forgotten what i learnt
18:51 cait                  general_solutions++
18:51 cait                  and you will make other libraries happy too :)
18:52 sekjal                ether:  I HIGHLY recommend you use Git for any local changes you make.  This'll make it easier to test things out without risk of breakage, and any solution you come up with can be propogated into future releases (or better yet, contributed back to Koha!)
18:53 jcamins               ether: what everyone is trying to say is, "take to heart the old saying- 'don't be a git, use git.'" :D
18:55 rangi                 or you could save time and just slam your head on the desk multiple times now, cos without tracking ur changes, ull be doing that after trying to upgrade
18:55 ether                 i will do like you say...just that it will take time to get familiar with whats being done in those perl codes, i know howto using the ldaputils but to transition it to perl is where i'll have a challenge
18:55 rangi                 :)
18:56 cait                  lol
18:57 * jcamins             likes his slogan. Maybe that should be one of the Koha mantras.
18:57 cait                  you don't need perl knowledge for using git :)
18:57 magnuse               someone add that bit about slamming ones head to the quotes, please? ;-)
18:57 library_systems_guy   nor is any knowledge of svn useful lol
18:58 ether                 i know , wasnt refering to git but to actual changing of the codes
18:59 wizzyrea              @quote add jcamins: take to heart the old saying- 'don't be a git, use git.
18:59 huginn                wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.  Quote #129 added.
19:00 wizzyrea              @quote add rangi: or you could save time and just slam your head on the desk multiple times now, cos without tracking ur changes, ull be doing that after trying to upgrade
19:00 huginn                wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.  Quote #130 added.
19:00 magnuse               thanks wizzyrea (not sure i am registered with huginn...)
19:01 wizzyrea              u got it ;)
19:02 * magnuse             just installed ubuntu on his mac mini - and must get a real keyboard tomorrow...
19:02 rangi                 ohh lindas question on the mailing list
19:02 rangi                 good timing
19:03 rangi                 bbiab
19:05 * cait                waves
19:05 magnuse               o/
19:07 sekjal                back in a little bit, #koha
19:10 magnuse               kia ora nengard
19:10 nengard               :)
19:10 cait                  hi nengard
19:12 ether                 is there any code documentation?
19:17 library_systems_guy   ether, http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Category:Documentation
19:17 library_systems_guy   i suppose other than that the codedoc is just in the code
19:17 magnuse               ether: http://perldoc.koha-community.org/
19:22 NCARMichael           yello there
19:23 magnuse               yello to you too NCARMichael ;-)
19:24 rangi                 blue there :)
19:24 NCARMichael           i observed sthg this morning whilst using the Inventory Tool...thought perhaps I'd see what others thought.
19:24 NCARMichael           (waiting for someone to say yello + blue = green there)
19:24 NCARMichael           anyhoo
19:25 NCARMichael           yeah, so Inventory ordering...
19:25 NCARMichael           I plug in a call no range and it gives me a nice list of items
19:25 NCARMichael           and they're KIND of in order
19:25 NCARMichael           but not really
19:25 jcamins               Dewey sorting funny?
19:26 jcamins               245.01 before 245?
19:26 NCARMichael           Yeah.  It's closest to a Dewey sort (and actually, I'd love to able to change it to LOC instead), but sometimes it does weird things.
19:26 NCARMichael           maybe.  i should go grab some examples.
19:26 jcamins               Please.
19:27 NCARMichael           k. standby.
19:28 NCARMichael           I suppose it could be standard Dewey and I'm just so LOC-oriented that I look at a Dewey sort and call it wrong.
19:30 tcohen                rangi: is rebuild_zebra.pl broken in master?
19:31 jcamins               NCARMichael: there was a very recent fix of Dewey sorting.
19:31 jcamins               lcc sorting should work fine, though.
19:31 tcohen                </datafield>
19:31 tcohen                sion="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
19:31 tcohen                <record
19:31 NCARMichael           okay, so it puts QC995 .E29 1997 before QC100 .U57 NO. 555 1986
19:32 NCARMichael           is that Dewey?
19:32 rangi                 tcohen: nope at least it wasn't when I went to sleep
19:32 jcamins               NCARMichael: No, I think that's just weird. ;)
19:33 tcohen                how do i use pastebot?
19:33 NCARMichael           and QC145.45 .H4 D65 1998 is before QC145 .A57 V.12 1980
19:33 rangi                 paste.koha-community.org
19:34 rangi                 tcohen: have u recently upgraded?
19:35 jcamins               NCARMichael: hm. That looks like the same problem that the Dewey sort had.
19:35 NCARMichael           well, i guess i'll send Galen an email and have him take a look. Do you know if there's a way to have my Koha instance use LOC instead of Dewey for the Inv Tool?
19:35 tcohen                rangi: i'm just working on a tools for checking records for troubles
19:35 tcohen                (in master)
19:35 jcamins               NCARMichael: it should automatically use lcc if that's what you've selected as your call number system.
19:36 rangi                 and not run the script to remove items from biblio?
19:36 tcohen                ohhhhhhhhh
19:36 jcamins               NCARMichael: Check DefaultClassificationSource.
19:36 tcohen                i'm sorry for that....
19:36 NCARMichael           i'll take a look
19:36 liw                   rangi, I no longer have the n900, Soile has it now; I have a nexus one, and I'm not sure which one is worse
19:37 rangi                 liw: hehe
19:37 tcohen                the problem i faced was that THE script failed because of bad records...
19:37 nengard               wizzyrea around?
19:37 rangi                 tcohen: ah yep that happens
19:37 tcohen                i'll use the previous rebuild_zebra as a basis...
19:37 tcohen                thanks rangi
19:38 rangi                 in master, you need to have a db that has the item info out of the biblio
19:38 NCARMichael           whoa, default class source was set to ANSCR(!)
19:38 rangi                 or you will just get messy results
19:39 rangi                 so a fresh install is fine, new records fine, but if you come from an older db check the UPGRADE section of the INSTALL file
19:39 NCARMichael           hm, it's still whacked.
19:40 NCARMichael           i'll have Galen take a look.
19:40 jcamins               NCARMichael: I'm not even sure what ANSCR is.
19:41 jcamins               For sound recordings?
19:41 jcamins               Huh.
19:41 NCARMichael           Koha says it's for sound recordings
19:41 NCARMichael           yeah
19:41 NCARMichael           what you said
19:41 NCARMichael           anyway
19:41 NCARMichael           thx 4 your moral support ;)
19:42 NCARMichael           at least i know i'm not crazy
19:42 NCARMichael           well, at least in THIS respect
19:42 rangi                 man the suspension on this bus is whacked out
19:43 magnuse               ouch!
19:43 rangi                 if I go quiet its cos I bounced out the roof
19:44 magnuse               hang in there rangi!
19:47 adnc                  rangi, packaged koha 3.4?
19:47 adnc                  ;)
19:48 rangi                 no
19:48 rangi                 there is a perl module that needs packaging first
19:48 jcamins               rangi: what Perl module is missing?
19:49 rangi                 which eythian is working on, have to do it right, for it to be accepted into debian
19:49 rangi                 cgi::session::memcached
19:49 jcamins               rangi: ah.
19:49 rangi                 once that is done, eythian will work on the main package
19:50 rangi                 nonfunded work .. means it has to be done round the edges of what we are paid to do, but we'll get there
19:51 magnuse               yay!
19:52 jcamins               Is that a new dependency?
19:52 rangi                 once its done for 3.4.0 3.4.1 becomes a bunch easier
19:52 rangi                 yes
19:53 rangi                 its not required, but running it with memcached is a ton faster than storing sessions in mysql
19:54 rangi                 the other thing for 3.4.0 is the remove items from biblio script, and using something like debconf note to tell ppl to run it if they are upgrading
19:54 rangi                 which we might end up asking liw questions about :)
19:55 jcamins               Why can't you just do a koha-for-all remove_items_from_biblioitems?
19:55 rangi                 cos it takes ages
19:55 jcamins               Ah.
19:55 jcamins               Hm.
19:55 rangi                 specially with big koha, or lots of them
19:56 jcamins               Yeah, that does make sense.
19:57 rangi                 ok my stop
19:57 rangi                 bbiab
20:02 rangi                 back
20:09 rangi                 chris_n: you about?
20:15 sekjal                rangi:  did we recently bump minimum perl version for Koha to 5.10 for Koha 3.4?
20:15 rangi                 no
20:17 sekjal                okay, there is a dependency on a perl 5.10 operator in C4::Search that breaks make test on perl 5.8.8
20:17 sekjal                introduced with commit 265ed53f
20:18 rangi                 we talked about it, but i dont think it was ever formally decided
20:18 rangi                 the ~~ ?
20:18 sekjal                I was reading the discussion, and we agreed to keep it at 5.8.8 for 3.0 and 3.2
20:18 sekjal                rangi:  yes, the ~~
20:18 rangi                 yeah, send a patch for that
20:19 rangi                 i should have caught that
20:19 rangi                 its pretty hard to find a new machine with 5.8.8 on it these days, but we shouldnt break things without warning
20:20 rangi                 and not just for one operator :)
20:20 rangi                 at the next meeting ill propose we go for 5.10 in 3.6.x
20:21 rangi                 so we can just patch the 3.4.x branch
20:21 rangi                 sound like a plan?
20:21 sekjal                we're doing an installation on Red Hat 5.6
20:21 rangi                 oh god poor you
20:21 sekjal                sounds good
20:21 sekjal                for the install, we're going to try upgrading perl to 5.10 first
20:21 rangi                 the old we only do security on this tiny subset of of packages
20:21 rangi                 redhat
20:22 sekjal                but I'll work up a patch for perl 5.8.8 compatability
20:22 rangi                 sekjal: do they have a support agreement
20:22 rangi                 ?
20:22 rangi                 you need to be careful what you ugprade on redhat if they do
20:22 sekjal                it's their campus-wide solution
20:22 sekjal                so I assume so
20:22 sekjal                I'll talk to their local IT guys
20:22 rangi                 yeah
20:23 rangi                 the contract is pretty specific about what packages they support
20:23 rangi                 upgrading perl, might put it out of support
20:55 space_librarian       morning #koha :)
20:56 magnuse               gday space_librarian
20:58 cait                  hi space_librarian
20:58 space_librarian       hey cait, magnuse
20:58 bg                    @wunder 93109
20:58 huginn                bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 23.9�C (2:00 PM PDT on April 27, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013.1 hPa (Steady).
20:59 rangi                 man, im looking forward to june
20:59 * space_librarian     is envious
21:00 * jcamins             too... Budapest, Baton Rouge, and New Orleans.
21:03 * jcamins             thinks the weather will be nicer in Budapest than Baton Rouge and New Orleans.
21:04 jcamins               He hopes it will be, anyway.
21:05 * space_librarian     agrees with jcamins
21:05 space_librarian       less humid, anyway
21:07 jcamins               Yeah, looks like June is summer. :(
21:08 rangi                 ill take hot over cold any day
21:08 rangi                 i can always go sit in a pool when its hot
21:08 * jcamins             would prefer temperate
21:11 huginn                New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 3543: split NLM call numbers in label creator <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=139f7343f42c32e4bc1981bc072cf6ba05b20c0b>
21:14 jenkins_koha          Starting build 233 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
21:26 rangi                 wahanui: 1 + 3 + 51 + 2 + 2 + 1 + 9 + 72 + 27 + 34 + 8 + 12
21:26 wahanui                222
21:33 cait                  cool trick with wahanui
21:34 rangi                 yep, handy
21:34 rangi                 wahanui: 1293/4
21:34 wahanui                323.25
21:40 druthb                wahanui:  4^4
21:40 druthb                wahanui: 4**4
21:40 wahanui                256
21:40 druthb                ah-hah.
21:40 * druthb              thinks.
21:41 druthb                wahanui: sqrt(16)
21:41 wahanui               druthb: what?
21:41 druthb                I thought not.
21:41 jcamins_away          wahanui: 16**0.5
21:41 wahanui                  4
21:41 druthb                wahanui: botsnack cookie
21:41 wahanui               :)
21:41 druthb                jcamins++
21:45 space_librarian       feeding the bots again? I think I like a bot calculator on hand. :)
21:46 druthb                hi, space_librarian!
21:46 druthb                librariansnack cookie  :)
21:46 space_librarian       nom nom nom. :)
21:47 space_librarian       hey druthb! :D Thanks for the cookie.
21:48 rangi                 man, its still freezing in here
21:48 space_librarian       I came prepared today: I brought a hoodie to work!
21:48 cait                  cookie?
21:48 rangi                 me too
21:49 rangi                 also, drumstep keeps me warm, with its super mega death ray goodness
21:49 rangi                 http://soundcloud.com/figure/figure-super-mega-death-ray
21:49 cait                  temperature here dropped about 10 degrees from yesterday to today
21:50 cait                  brr
21:50 space_librarian       rangi: that is pretty damn cool.
21:50 rangi                 its got the power to enslave the whole human race!!
21:53 space_librarian       i can believe that...
21:54 jenkins_koha          Project Koha_master build #233: SUCCESS in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/233/
21:54 jenkins_koha          Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 3543: split NLM call numbers in label creator
21:54 huginn                04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3543 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED, Spine labels - NLM call numbers not splitting
21:58 cait                  no cookies - time to go to bed
21:58 cait                  bye all
21:58 rangi                 night cait
21:58 cait                  night rangi and thx :)
22:32 biorisk               i try to install koha and i have a error when i try to run koha
22:32 biorisk               this is my error log: Can't locate Net/SMTP/SSL.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/share/koha/intranet/modules /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/share/koha/intranet/modules/C4/AR/Mail.pm line 28.
22:33 rangi                 looks like you missed installing some things
22:33 rangi                 what version of Koha, and on what version of linux?
22:35 biorisk               koha version is 2.2.0 and ubuntu 10.10
22:37 eythian               biorisk: on a scale of 1 to old, 2.2.0 is prehistoric.
22:37 rangi                 yes, where did you even get a copy of it? :)
22:38 biorisk               when i try to install Net::SMTP::SSL show me an error with IO::Socket::SSL dependance
22:39 rangi                 yeah, dont try to install koha 2.2.0
22:39 biorisk               ok
22:39 rangi                 its 6 years old
22:39 rangi                 and about 30 versions ago
22:39 biorisk               woww
22:39 * rangi               is curious where you even got a copy of it from
22:40 rangi                 for a brand new install, i would suggest install koha 3.4.0
22:40 biorisk               from here http://koha.linti.unlp.edu.ar/descargas
22:40 rangi                 ah yeah, someone hasnt updated their webiste in a long long time obviously :)
22:41 rangi                 biorisk: do you want to run it in spanish?
22:41 biorisk               do you know a repository to install koha in debian like?
22:41 rangi                 yes
22:41 rangi                 http://debian.koha-community.org/
22:41 biorisk               i try it
22:41 biorisk               thanks
22:41 rangi                 http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
22:42 rangi                 ahh the .koha-community.org sites are the official ones, so its best to get things from there
22:42 rangi                 that way we can help you
22:43 biorisk               ok thank you
22:51 sekjal_away           bug 6274:   opinions?
22:51 huginn                04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6274 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Permanent storage of user-uploaded files
22:52 rangi                 you are going to run into permissions problems
22:52 rangi                 the packages use an apache2 that can do suexec (mpm-itk)
22:53 rangi                 which would allow for a modicum of security, at least the koha could only trash its own files, not anything owned by www-data
22:54 rangi                 any script that does uploading, needs to make sure its using taint, and doing lots of other checks
22:54 rangi                 with those cavaets, i can see it could be useful for xslt etc/css/images etc
22:54 sekjal_away           good point.  it's a non-trivial project, but it will open the doors to SOOOOOO many other enhancements.
22:55 rangi                 yep, has to be done right(tm) tho, or it opens the door to much hackage
22:57 sekjal                surely this is a problem that's already been solved by other perl hackers
22:58 rangi                 yes
22:58 rangi                 its also been done wrong by plenty of people
22:58 rangi                 just pick the right one :)
23:00 sekjal                agreed.
23:11 sekjal                okay, must obtain food
23:11 sekjal                goodnight, #koha!
23:11 brendan_              night ian
23:13 brendan_              @wunder washington, dc
23:13 huginn                brendan_: The current temperature in Eckington Pl, NE, Washington, District of Columbia is 24.8�C (7:14 PM EDT on April 27, 2011). Conditions: Light Thunderstorms and Rain. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 22.0�C. Pressure: 29.79 in 1008.7 hPa (Rising).  Tornado Watch 240 in effect until 2 am EDT Thursday... 
23:13 brendan_              bummer
23:14 brendan_              let's compare that to here --
23:14 rangi                 they get tornadoes in DC?
23:14 brendan_              @wunder 93109
23:14 huginn                brendan_: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 21.2�C (4:16 PM PDT on April 27, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013.1 hPa (Steady).
23:14 rangi                 i never knew
23:14 brendan_              I guess 240 of them
23:14 brendan_              bummer the Mets should move their baseball team here - never get any rainouts :)
23:15 rangi                 hehe
23:38 space_librarian       cool. I see a tornado just touched down near Quantico... sounds entertaining. :\
23:52 eythian               Don't suppose anyone feels like doing a signoff on Bug 5509 for me...:)
23:52 huginn                04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5509 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, ASSIGNED, Packaging scripts get upset when there's an LDAP configuration in the koha_conf.xml