Time Nick Message 23:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6126 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED, Slip print doesn't work on Webkit based browsers 23:07 jenkins_koha Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 6126 - [3.2.x] Slip print doesn't work on Webkit based browsers 23:07 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.2.x build #19: SUCCESS in 38 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.2.x/19/ 22:29 jenkins_koha Starting build 19 for job Koha_3.2.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 22:24 cait ok, I give up - bye all :) 22:20 huginn New commit(s) kohagit32: Bug 6126 - [3.2.x] Slip print doesn't work on Webkit based browsers <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=520c1bb85ef937a0e95959cc63349789e5945390> 22:20 cait :) 22:20 cait hmpf. 22:11 space_librarian you should. :) 22:10 cait I should sleep 22:10 cait and not easy to ship a nanny to nz... will have to find something else 22:09 cait hm. not easy to get peanut butter here 22:08 space_librarian possibly. Can't imagine why... :) 22:08 rangi space_librarian: i think a nanny would work better :) 22:08 space_librarian rangi: promise her a sari... 22:08 rangi i promised i wouldnt be away from home as much this year 22:07 rangi cait: its my wife you have to convince not me 22:07 * space_librarian has already made plans to swap wine in India too... just needs to get there. 22:06 cait if you go to India... there could be more chocolate... and french wine 22:06 rangi :-) 22:06 rangi he's always been a little odd 22:06 cait hm... not slef, but everybody else 22:06 rangi cos it was AWESOME 22:06 cait and everybody likes chocolate 22:06 rangi im glad 22:05 cait I had no better idea 22:05 rangi :) 22:05 rangi that didnt last long ... impossible to save that 22:05 rangi i dont have any of caits chocolate left 22:05 * space_librarian can imagine the shenanigans 22:05 cait :) 22:05 cait I guessed that 22:05 rangi came with paul_p and hdl ;) 22:04 space_librarian she can come back... lol 22:04 cait yep, I was 22:04 rangi and thats when the wine arrived 22:04 rangi space_librarian: she was here in october ;) 22:04 space_librarian :p 22:04 space_librarian cait: come to nz... we have good (French?!) wine! 22:04 * cait mumbles something 22:02 space_librarian :) 22:02 rangi to celebrate the release, we might have to open them on thursday 22:02 rangi ive been saving since kohacon10 22:01 * rangi has 2 bottles of french red 22:01 * space_librarian munches cookies throughtfully.... yum! thanks cait! :) 22:01 * space_librarian wonders what she's got herself in for... 22:00 rangi heh 22:00 * cait sends space_librarian cookies 22:00 rangi :) 22:00 rangi well until i can make space_librarian do it for me 22:00 * cait sends rangi coffee 22:00 cait you are crazy 22:00 rangi cait: just have to do some client work, but then i have about 10 patches to check and push, and then ill be on translation the rest of the day 21:59 cait ? 21:59 rangi etc 21:59 rangi egad 21:59 space_librarian bye! 21:59 cait bye wizzyrea :) 21:59 rangi lawd and larks 21:59 wizzyrea l8r peeps 21:58 wizzyrea oh lawd, time to go 21:58 rangi cait: ill try 21:58 cait rangi: if you can fix the problem, I could update the file and do a complete translation 21:58 wizzyrea right, rosalie defined it as a Cheap, Cheerful Copy of Cx (and rangi adds that it's might asplode in your face) 21:57 space_librarian lol 21:57 cait and the explosive 21:57 rangi im sticking to my its gonna asplode in my face story 21:57 cait I thought it was something like for times better than something starting with C 21:57 wizzyrea see also: explosive! 21:57 cait hm 21:57 wizzyrea ^.^ 21:57 * space_librarian now has the dance of the sugarplum fairy stuck in her head 21:57 wizzyrea ta da! 21:57 rangi that might be what they took it to mean 21:57 wizzyrea C4 21:57 wizzyrea 4C 21:57 wizzyrea rangi: Cheap, Cheerful, Copy of Cx 21:56 * cait wonders if she has that music somewhere 21:56 * space_librarian points cait in the direction of The Nutcracker 21:56 rangi yup 21:56 rangi yup 21:56 wizzyrea ballet? 21:56 wizzyrea oh what's that from... the nutcracker? 21:56 * space_librarian thinks about fudge 21:56 cait sugarplum fairies? 21:55 wizzyrea dream of fudge and sugarplum fairies 21:55 space_librarian :) 21:55 wizzyrea go sleep things will magically occur while you're dreaming 21:55 rangi and i hope to have it fixed for you by the time you wake up 21:55 cait you start sounding like ruth 21:55 rangi go to sleep 21:55 rangi heh 21:54 cait good to know that's not another localized problem 21:54 rangi right thanks ill work on that 21:54 rangi much too 21:54 rangi or pretty mucn every language 21:54 rangi or maori 21:54 rangi yeah 21:54 cait the probme is - that's not really translatable in german 21:54 rangi ohhh 21:54 cait a separate string 21:54 cait there is a single The 21:53 rangi i think somehow the The got parsed as part of the tag 21:52 rangi the <p> 21:52 wahanui cait: I forgot why 21:52 cait wahanui forget why 21:52 rangi i think 21:52 wahanui so why is, like, it populated 21:52 cait so why? 21:52 cait hm 21:52 rangi all one line 21:52 rangi yeah no line break in that 21:52 cait hm, no line break? 21:52 cait with the The cut off 21:52 cait the maintenance thing was a good one 21:51 rangi yeah 21:51 cait ) 21:51 rangi can you send me the filename of one where it is breaking the file? 21:51 cait and the po file has things like 21:51 cait because it makes translation a lto harder if the strings are cut into pieces 21:51 rangi ill try :) 21:51 cait and it would be great if you could fix the line breaks 21:51 rangi yeah 21:51 cait "$[% MARCSUBJECT_SUBFIELDS_LOO.code %] [% MARCSUBJECT_SUBFIELDS_LOO.value %]" 21:50 cait some strings at the top of the file are a bit weird 21:50 cait but it looks promising 21:50 cait needs a little more testing 21:48 rangi sound right? 21:47 rangi and update pootle 21:47 rangi update all the po files 21:47 rangi is fix the spaces 21:47 rangi ok, so i think what we need to do 21:47 rangi yay 21:46 cait looks good so far 21:44 cait after updating the file today and undoing the fuzzy.... it's German now! 21:44 cait in the file from pootle the term was ok, but got not translated 21:44 cait I updated lists from fuzzy 21:44 cait cool 21:43 rangi yep 21:43 cait it's really slow 21:43 rangi thanks 21:43 cait I updated a few things 21:43 rangi ahh cool 21:43 cait running the install script at the moment 21:43 rangi yeah 21:43 rangi see what file its in and see what the full string is 21:43 cait ah, probably one where the line breaking is a problem? 21:42 rangi look at the comments 21:42 cait hm? 21:41 rangi cool, if you can check that out 21:41 cait it's the published date on opac news 21:40 cait (veröffentlicht am %s) 21:40 cait was 21:40 cait (published on 21:40 cait one that's missing a placeholder 21:40 cait ok 21:38 rangi right 21:38 cait it's only welcome in the po file 21:38 cait Welcome, 21:38 rangi hmm whats another one to test then 21:38 rangi yay! 21:37 cait the navigation is German for me 21:37 rangi s'ok :) 21:37 cait I am sorry :( 21:37 cait it'sme 21:37 * rangi stops having a heart attack 21:36 cait ah stupid 21:35 rangi its running .52? 21:35 rangi but you have upgraded? 21:35 cait what I mean is, I switched it on, I switched it off but it doesn't go away :( 21:34 cait no 21:34 rangi you can upgrade in the staff side? 21:34 cait I can't leave opac maint 21:34 cait new problem 21:34 cait ok 21:33 rangi ill look into the the issue too 21:33 rangi yeah that one 21:32 cait the link in the navigation? authoritiy search? 21:32 cait subject search on the front page? 21:32 cait german 21:32 cait you know why cutting off the The is evil? because it can be der die or das in gemran 21:30 rangi that seemed to not be translated 21:30 rangi on the front page 21:30 rangi the subject search 21:30 cait will try to find some more nice strings for testing 21:30 rangi could be 21:29 cait perhaps the spaces are in the variables? 21:29 rangi thanks 21:29 cait ok 21:29 rangi and ill work on the missing spaces 21:29 rangi ok in that case, can you try making a few more unfuzzy and see if it makes them show up 21:29 rangi right i wont do that 21:28 cait I am not sure, but I think you will break the po fies 21:28 rangi true 21:28 rangi hmm ok 21:28 cait because the place holders are moved around 21:28 cait it should make them fuzzy 21:28 cait hm 21:28 rangi and we can test that 21:28 rangi ill try to do a patch to stop it making them fuzzy 21:28 cait yes 21:28 rangi do you have 20 mins 21:28 cait I thin because the strings are constructed differnetly 21:28 rangi ok dont do that then 21:27 cait yes 21:27 rangi ? 21:27 rangi right so the update is making them fuzzy 21:27 cait I can try fixing the updated po file some more 21:27 cait that's why I test with opac, intranet is too incomplete and confusing 21:27 cait no 21:27 cait not fuzzy strings 21:27 cait I used my nice and completely translated files from pootle 21:27 rangi so its just the missing spaces that are a problem now? 21:27 rangi cait: before the update, was that string fuzzy or did updating make it fuzzy? 21:26 cait The Katalog ist zur Zeit wegen Wartungsarbeiten offline. Wir sind bald zurück! Wenn Sie Fragen haben, wenden Sie sich bitte an denSite Administrator 21:26 cait rangi: from the templates: 21:26 wizzyrea the pressure! the pressure! 21:26 rangi heh, not everything 21:26 * cait believes rangi can fix everything :) 21:25 rangi missing spaces i can fix too 21:25 cait checking how it looks in opac now 21:25 cait it's a bit irritating with the missing spaces 21:24 cait this looks not too bad 21:24 cait not sure about now, but it seems so :) 21:24 cait when something was fuzzy it was not translated 21:24 cait it cared in the past 21:24 cait <p>The [% IF ( LibraryNameTitle ) %][% LibraryNameTitle %][% ELSE %][% END %]Katalog ist zur Zeit wegen Wartungsarbeiten offline. Wir sind bald zurück! Wenn Sie Fragen haben, wenden Sie sich bitte an den<a href="mailto:[% KohaAdminEmailAddress %]">Site Administrator</a></p> 21:24 rangi but i might 21:23 rangi im pretty sure it will do them if they are fuzzy or not 21:23 rangi i dont think the translation script cares actually 21:23 rangi i can regen all the files and put them somewhere for frederic to add, but we need to confirm changing from fuzzy works 21:23 rangi yep 21:22 cait yep, but if that's the reason we really have to figure things out and update pootle 21:22 cait hehe 21:21 rangi thats much easier to fix 21:21 * rangi hopes so 21:21 rangi i wonder if it might be just because we are making things fuzzy ! 21:21 rangi ok 21:21 cait let me correct that in the po file and try again 21:21 cait it#s fuzzy 21:20 cait it can't 21:20 cait oh 21:20 rangi i suspect this is what is happening for most things 21:20 cait not translated 21:20 cait you are right 21:20 rangi figure out why the the is not showing 21:20 rangi if so, that gives me something to work on 21:19 rangi its not showing as translated eh? 21:18 cait evil 21:18 rangi if you check line 24 in the de-DE maintenance.tt file 21:18 cait ah 21:18 rangi thats why its not matching 21:18 rangi but the The is on another line 21:18 cait makes sense 21:17 rangi thats why the place holders 21:17 rangi p>The [% IF ( LibraryNameTitle ) %][% LibraryNameTitle %][% ELSE %]Koha Online 21:17 rangi ill check and send afix for that (you can ignore them tho, they are comments so dont actually effect anything, just for debuggin) 21:16 rangi i think i fixed that recently too 21:16 cait lots of errors in there 21:15 cait #: opac-tmpl/prog/en/modules/maintenance.tt:24 21:15 cait #. %3$s: ERROR 21:15 cait #. %2$s: ERROR 21:15 cait #. %1$s: ERROR 21:15 cait hm 21:15 rangi and see what happened 21:15 rangi .tt files 21:15 rangi and the de-DE ones 21:15 rangi cos you can then see the line in the en ones 21:15 rangi its helpful for testing like this 21:14 rangi yep 21:14 rangi or emacs 21:14 cait they are part of the file, right? editor coming up 21:14 rangi ahh just open it vim 21:14 cait I don#t see the comments in po edit 21:14 rangi it will tell you the line in the file its from 21:14 rangi if you look at the comments above that 21:14 rangi yep 21:14 cait but once we are there we need to update the po files on pootle again 21:14 rangi well it will mean more translating 21:14 cait I think we can live with it working better than before 21:13 cait hehe 21:13 cait hm, itputs the name in front, right? 21:13 rangi the trick i am having is making it exactly as broken as the old system :) 21:13 cait I can accept that 21:13 cait ok 21:13 rangi thats one of the problems 21:13 rangi its just the old one was wrong 21:13 rangi no its right 21:12 cait and it's too many placeholders 21:12 rangi right 21:12 cait it was one string before 21:12 cait it cut off the email 21:12 cait Der Katalog ist zur Zeit wegen Wartungsarbeiten offline. Wir sind bald zurück! Wenn Sie Fragen haben, wenden Sie sich bitte an den <a1>Web-Administrator</a> 21:12 cait the translation for it is: 21:12 cait that don't make much sense to me 21:12 cait that's a lot of placeholders 21:12 cait %s%sKoha Online%s Catalog is offline for system maintenance. We'll be back soon! If you have any questions, please contact the 21:12 cait example 21:12 cait it's still cutting of things 21:11 rangi ahh right 21:11 cait this is an old laptop 21:11 cait still installing 21:11 rangi well is the translation any better? 21:10 cait before we didn't have placeholders -missing spaces are better hehe 21:10 rangi yay 21:10 cait better though :) 21:10 rangi yeah 21:10 rangi hmm 21:09 cait missing spaces? 21:09 cait Waiting%sOn hold%s for patron 21:09 cait it looks a bit strange 21:07 cait now installing 21:07 cait update done, only 2 more warns in intranet 21:07 rangi something like that anyway 21:07 rangi 'due to a few remaining glitches and the fact that most translators have not had time to update their translations, we recommend that people running in languages other than english delay their upgrade until 3.4.1' 21:06 rangi i suspect that what i will say is 21:06 rangi yeah 21:06 rangi ah those are just warns 21:06 cait I send a mail aksing for help to the mailing list - but I don't think I will be able to finish in time 21:06 rangi yup 21:05 cait spanish is catching up 21:04 rangi http://translate.koha-community.org/projects/34/ <-- see 21:03 rangi considering german is the only one that is even close to up to date anyway 21:03 cait I have some errors for you in that paste 21:03 cait I agree 21:03 rangi i think waiting a month for 3.4.1 is the better of those 2 21:03 pastebot0 "cait" at 78.51.140.207 pasted "updating pootle files" (11 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/13 21:02 rangi thats the 2 options really 21:02 rangi either that or remove template toolkit 21:01 cait hm 21:00 rangi if not, we will just have to recommend that people who run in other languages wait for 3.4.1 21:00 rangi me too 20:59 cait rangi: I hope we can get opac working 20:56 rangi thanks 20:56 cait will try 20:55 rangi cait: probably wont work, but im out of ideas 20:55 rangi cait: update po files 20:55 wizzyrea ^^ what he said 20:54 rangi its group, and the user apache is running as does need to be able to read the file 20:53 wizzyrea er group - i may be high, just a sec 20:53 cait rangi: update to master or update po files? 20:53 rangi wizzyrea: its not owner 20:53 wizzyrea I haven't ever had to set owner as www-data 20:53 cait it still says welcome on top and click here , if you are not 20:53 wizzyrea wait 20:52 cait and the patron summary when you go into the account 20:52 cait the button on opac 20:52 cait a good example is lists 20:52 wizzyrea hm 20:52 rangi cait: bummer, so things that are in the .po file not showing up? how about if you update then install? 20:52 library_systems_guy im stumped 20:52 library_systems_guy hmm 20:52 library_systems_guy yeah that is what i thought 20:52 rangi hmm that should be fine then 20:51 library_systems_guy drwxr-xr-x 4 koha www-data 4096 Apr 18 10:39 etc 20:51 cait rangi: tried with files from pootle and new branch - it's a little better, but still a lot of things missing 20:50 rangi on the dir? 20:50 library_systems_guy -rw-r--r-- 1 koha www-data 6460 Apr 18 10:39 koha-httpd.conf 20:46 rangi check the permissions on the directory itself 20:46 rangi if it cant read it, then im still picking permissions 20:45 library_systems_guy so i went into Context.pm and added a warn to see if the path to the environment was correct and it is 20:38 library_systems_guy so thats good 20:38 library_systems_guy yeah it is 20:38 rangi if so, thats the right place 20:38 rangi library_systems_guy: is that where you git checkout is ? 20:37 library_systems_guy well thats frustrating 20:37 library_systems_guy hmm 20:37 cait looks normal to me 20:35 library_systems_guy is that normal for a dev install? 20:34 library_systems_guy perl5lib is set to /home/koha/kohaclone 20:34 library_systems_guy but 20:34 library_systems_guy i don't think that was it 20:33 library_systems_guy eek 20:33 rangi yeah id do that, make sure its not world readable, its got passwords ! :) 20:33 library_systems_guy i can chgrp it just to be sure 20:32 library_systems_guy hmm 20:32 rangi can www-data read it 20:32 rangi and most importantly 20:32 library_systems_guy yes it is 20:32 rangi and its right? 20:32 library_systems_guy correctly 20:32 library_systems_guy yeah i have that set 20:32 rangi SetEnv KOHA_CONF "/blah/blah/koha-conf.xml" 20:31 rangi in the koha-httpd.conf 20:31 wahanui that is a risk you have to take... ;-) 20:31 library_systems_guy where is that? 20:31 rangi the SetENV bit? 20:30 library_systems_guy anything else that I might be missing 20:30 library_systems_guy and it looks good 20:30 library_systems_guy so i verified the export directory 20:30 library_systems_guy so the Koha error log says it can't locate koha-conf.xml 20:27 wizzyrea since it shows the days I think I'm going to go back and make it accurate 20:26 nengard and impressive :) 20:26 nengard cool 20:26 wizzyrea that's what I intended :P 20:26 wizzyrea http://www.timetoast.com/timelines/koha-releases 20:26 wizzyrea lol 20:26 wizzyrea wrong 20:26 wizzyrea ooo 20:26 wizzyrea nengard: http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/3007wfp/graphics/bottom2.gif 20:24 rangi bbiab 20:24 rangi ok my stop 20:23 rangi that will tell you where they are 20:23 rangi check the koha-httpd.conf 20:23 library_systems_guy err at all 20:22 library_systems_guy i don't see those logs yet 20:22 rangi not the main one 20:22 rangi might be in there 20:22 rangi there should be a specific apache log for the opac, and staff side 20:21 library_systems_guy just wanted to make sure i didn't miss anything in apache 20:21 library_systems_guy not yet 20:21 rangi cool, have u checked all the error logs? 20:21 library_systems_guy rangi, just made sure the db was up and running with koha db in. looks good 20:20 wizzyrea just now trying it out 20:20 wizzyrea nengard: i found one, www.timetoast.com 20:20 nengard wizzyrea ... not off the top of my head 20:17 library_systems_guy its a fresh install 20:17 library_systems_guy nothing 20:17 wizzyrea what else have you got running on this box? 20:17 library_systems_guy but they are all for python o_0 20:17 library_systems_guy ive got nothing but nothing but notices 20:16 rangi that it complains about the db 20:15 rangi betting even 20:15 rangi im better above that 20:15 rangi check your apache error logs 20:15 library_systems_guy Can't call method "config" on unblessed reference at /home/koha/kohaclone/C4/Context.pm line 680 20:14 library_systems_guy :'( 20:14 library_systems_guy but i got a software error this time 20:14 wizzyrea yay! 20:14 library_systems_guy ok it let me in 20:13 wizzyrea nengard: do you know of a good online tool for timelines? 20:13 rangi that would do it 20:13 library_systems_guy i forgot the ports file 20:13 library_systems_guy oh wait 20:12 wizzyrea well you still have to configure your virtualhosts and restart apache 20:12 SteveJ I am glad to see that I am not the only one who always seems to encounter the unique problems. 20:12 rangi if you go to http://staffsite/ 20:12 library_systems_guy just a could not connect page 20:12 rangi what comes up? 20:12 library_systems_guy I don't think its ever happened to anybody but me lol 20:11 rangi hmm that has never happened to me 20:11 library_systems_guy I know i have to be doing something wrong 20:11 library_systems_guy so I generally have to go and add directory access to the opac and staff client in the koha.conf file 20:10 library_systems_guy ok so everytime i install koha and go to load the web installer the page never comes up 20:07 rangi thanks 20:06 tcohen haha, no prob, i just wrote her 20:05 rangi so I thought who is smart, knows koha and spanish, and there you were :) 20:04 tcohen i'll check my email 20:04 rangi just came through 20:04 tcohen uh, i didn't 20:03 rangi they were hoping a spanish speaker might help them 20:03 rangi ? 20:03 rangi did you see the message on the mailing list from unesco in uruguay 20:03 tcohen for a few minutes more i'll be here rangi 20:02 tcohen yeap 20:02 rangi tcohen: you around? 20:02 nengard back 19:57 cait wb rangi 19:57 cait I always forget about tabbing 19:56 library_systems_guy wb rangi 19:56 rangi back 19:54 library_systems_guy mmm salad 19:54 nengard fruit salad time 19:54 nengard brb 19:53 library_systems_guy cait, do you not have tabbing either? 19:53 nengard hehe 19:53 library_systems_guy you dubbed me library_systems_guy 19:53 library_systems_guy its true 19:53 nengard i named you after all :) 19:53 nengard you can keep it 19:53 nengard hehe 19:52 library_systems_guy but the name is sooo cool ;) 19:52 nengard told you my chat client doesn't have that function 19:52 library_systems_guy I thought you were going to get tabbing? 19:52 nengard hehe 19:52 cait listen to nengard ;) 19:51 nengard library_systems_guy i thought we talked about you shortening that username :) 19:49 library_systems_guy thinks wizzyrea is right 19:48 wizzyrea dunno what others do 19:48 library_systems_guy alright thanks 19:47 wizzyrea except for passwords, I usually leave it all default for dev 19:47 library_systems_guy ok...wasn't sure if i should change it to /usr/share 19:47 wizzyrea I do normally, yes 19:47 library_systems_guy do you just leave the config directory on default on the dev install? 19:47 wizzyrea nope. I'm working on my KUDOSCon presentation 19:46 library_systems_guy oh i thought you left 19:46 wizzyrea silly wahanui 19:46 library_systems_guy lol 19:46 wizzyrea yes? 19:46 wizzyrea lol 19:46 wahanui rumour has it wizzyrea is a wonderful mother, colleague, and friend. or a koha poet 19:46 library_systems_guy hey wizzyrea 19:45 library_systems_guy just thought id say hey 19:45 wizzyrea hi snail :) 19:45 library_systems_guy its kind of quiet in here today, and I'm kind of new 19:44 snail hello library_systems_guy 19:44 library_systems_guy hi snail 19:23 gmcharlt bon appetit 19:22 slef I'm out to lunch^Wdinner :) 19:22 gmcharlt slef: no, that's it 19:21 slef ok, any more questions? :) 19:21 slef gmcharlt: so, forward progress, but approach with care. 19:20 slef gmcharlt: so could this make fixed-length sizes backwards-incompatible as soon as UTF-8 is present in one? 19:19 slef gmcharlt: ah no, I'm wrong: "The default character set will be UTF-8" 19:19 wizzyrea and forego the screencap 19:19 wizzyrea or just list them out as clickable anchors 19:19 slef gmcharlt: it looks like fixed-length fields are still ASCII 19:19 wizzyrea instead of a monolith screencap? 19:18 wizzyrea it would be a lot more work but maybe a cap of the section above each section? 19:18 gmcharlt slef: sure - admittedly, a little strange for a format that has fixed-length fields to begin with, but it's not like SIP3 messages would be all that long to begin with 19:18 nengard let me see how i can improve that screencap 19:17 slef gmcharlt: which will mean implementers have to allow 4*characters bytes? 19:17 nengard but I did define them all in the permissions defined section 19:17 wizzyrea gotcha 19:17 nengard that i didn't update because i can't fit them all on one screen :) 19:17 wizzyrea it's a pretty epic list nowadays 19:17 wizzyrea hmm the screencap is pretty out of date for the permissions 19:17 gmcharlt slef: characters, hopefully, but good point 19:16 slef gmcharlt: hrm, I bet no-one's clarified what the maximum lengths mean now 19:16 gmcharlt slef: yay 19:16 wizzyrea k ty 19:15 slef gmcharlt: "Variable-length fields start with 2 field identifier characters, followed by UTF-8 , and end with a | (hexadecimal 7C)." 19:15 nengard if you see a missing one let me know 19:15 nengard wizzyrea, should be ... I just read through 300 commit messages and didn't see any new ones 19:15 slef gmcharlt: not during this call. Let me check what I can see of the docx 19:14 nengard wizzyrea, should be ... I just read through 300 commit messages and didn't see any new ones 19:14 gmcharlt slef: just one - was anything said about character sets? 19:14 slef ok, I'm going to go get dinner now, unless anyone has any sip3 questions? 19:14 wizzyrea the new permissions I mean 19:14 wizzyrea nengard, in the 3.4 manual, the permissions are all there? 19:09 wizzyrea "The LibreOffice escape from Oracle is a powerful demonstration of how open source forking can be used to protect community autonomy and lock out exploitative stakeholders." 19:09 gmcharlt slef: haven't made much progress yes, but we're in good shape; PTFS-E has agreed to release theirs, and the number of LL-origin patches is small enough to cleanroom 19:09 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #128 added. 19:09 wizzyrea @quote add "When TDF was founded, the group's leadership invited Oracle to participate in the hope that the database giant would be willing to hand over the OOo trademark and allow the vendor-neutral governance body to take over stewardship of the project" 19:09 oleonard That sounds eerily familiar. 19:09 oleonard "When TDF was founded, the group's leadership invited Oracle to participate in the hope that the database giant would be willing to hand over the OOo trademark and allow the vendor-neutral governance body to take over stewardship of the project" 19:08 slef gmcharlt: how's the unfork going? I've seen some emails on it, but not been watching closely. Are we SOL if PTFS won't release the liblime-developed patches? 19:08 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #127 added. 19:08 wizzyrea @quote add "Oracle now has little choice but to abandon its commercial ambitions for OOo because the growing momentum of the more inclusive LibreOffice fork is making OOo irrelevant" 19:08 oleonard "Oracle now has little choice but to abandon its commercial ambitions for OOo because the growing momentum of the more inclusive LibreOffice fork is making OOo irrelevant" 19:07 slef I think they've missed the boat and are tossing OOo into the water. Best chance it has is if it can merge into the boat before it drowns. 19:07 wizzyrea that pic is pretty funny too 19:07 oleonard There are some great quotes in that article 19:07 nengard not sure how to take it 19:07 wizzyrea I probably saw it from you 19:07 oleonard http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2011/04/oracle-gives-up-on-ooo-after-community-forks-the-project.ars 19:07 nengard wizzyrea i read that article 19:07 slef http://www.libreoffice.org/features/writer/ says it can. 19:06 wizzyrea maybe it will unfork 19:06 wizzyrea though there was some promising talk from them this weekend re: oracle giving it back to the community 19:06 nengard yeah i need to switch, i just haven't gotten to it 19:06 * wizzyrea doesn't keep open office around anymore 19:06 nengard slef opeoffice can too 19:06 wizzyrea I have the newest version, or one step back 19:06 gmcharlt slef: agreed. as far as what Koha should do, IMO, undo its OpenNCIP fork, then contribute patches to OpenNCIP as needed to become compliant with SIP3 19:05 wizzyrea I believe libreoffice can 19:05 slef Question for anyone: can recent openoffice or libreoffice open docx and if so what version? 19:04 slef gmcharlt: so I'm not sure what koha should do about sip3. I think if we can get their jive-bs thing working, we could comment more time-efficiently there. 19:04 wizzyrea hehe 19:04 wizzyrea oh that's so rude. 19:04 nengard they run back and forth on the fence out of his reach and watch him try to catch them 19:04 nengard the squirrels in my yard tease Beau 19:04 wizzyrea but they'll protect their nuts with a vicious fervor 19:04 gmcharlt ... prone to hanging on my window screens, thereby teasing my cats mercilessly 19:03 wizzyrea inventive, creative critters 19:03 slef gmcharlt: I suggested replacing First Name and Last Name with Given Names and Surname, which seemed to be my sum total of useful contribution to that call. 19:03 wizzyrea i mean squirrels are cute, fuzzy, curious 19:03 gmcharlt slef: sounds reasonable 19:03 nengard hehe 19:03 wizzyrea which is not what I meant >.> 19:03 wizzyrea but probably not in a nice way 19:03 nengard wait- wizzyre just said i was an attack squirrel 19:02 slef nengard: it could be wors.e An ex-cow-orker compared me to a squirrel. 19:02 rangi ok time to make the kids breakfast back from the bus later 19:02 nengard i'm not sure how i feel about all this me as an animal talk 19:02 wizzyrea which necessarily forces me to link this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIyixC9NsLI 19:01 rangi back on of those into a corner and ull know about it 19:01 slef gmcharlt: key changes today seemed to be adding "unsupported request" everywhere it could possibly go; and not allowing times to be omitted from timestamp fields. 19:01 rangi badger 19:01 * wizzyrea imagines nengard as a tiny tree frog, giggles 19:00 nengard awwww 19:00 wizzyrea poison dart frog maybe? 19:00 library_systems_guy wizzyrea, if only i had an attack squirrel that was as awesome as nengard 19:00 wizzyrea I was trying to think of a little but mighty critter 19:00 slef gmcharlt: well, it seems most of the 3M sip3 calls is taken up by stepping through suggested changes. 19:00 nengard wizzyrea how was i supposed to take that ;) hehe 19:00 gmcharlt how did it go? 19:00 wizzyrea no I'm teasing 19:00 gmcharlt slef: yes 19:00 wizzyrea <3 18:59 wizzyrea over the line? 18:59 wizzyrea vicious like an attack squirrel? 18:59 nengard well okay then :) hehe 18:59 library_systems_guy nengard: it was a compliment 18:59 slef off the phone. gmcharlt around? 18:59 nengard be careful library_systems_guy #koha doesn't handle people picking on me well :) 18:58 nengard HEY!! 18:58 library_systems_guy slef: she is vicious 18:58 nengard well .. i guess you have :) 18:58 nengard I just meant that you've never seen me when Koha is being attacked 18:58 nengard LOL 18:58 slef nengard: pay my expenses :) 18:57 nengard then again slef has never been to one of my trainings 18:57 wizzyrea we love you both anyway ;) 18:57 cait hehe 18:57 nengard LOL - I do have to agree with slef 18:57 library_systems_guy much needed truth 18:57 slef bah, nengard is a diplomat compared to me :) 18:57 library_systems_guy indeed she was 18:57 nengard just speaking the truth 18:57 slef tcohen: I think I got it from some university. mail me when I'm not in a meeting. 18:57 wizzyrea nengard are you causing trouble again? 18:56 tcohen :D 18:56 tcohen slef: that sounds awesome 18:56 nengard well the #koha community will tell you that I'm certainly not known for sitting back and not speaking up :) 18:56 slef tcohen: I've some xsl somewhere which transforms marcxml to warnings and errors, or you can convert it back to marc21 18:56 nengard oh boy 18:55 library_systems_guy nengard: haha well lets just say you are the talk of the library...you said the things i wish i could 18:55 tcohen ? 18:55 tcohen slef: is there a similar tool for marcxml 18:55 nengard welcome back library_systems_guy - how are things after your meeting? people still mad at me? :) 18:54 slef tcohen: it'll give you the basic problems. 18:54 jcamins Happy passover, #koha 18:54 tcohen fellows, is marclint a good way for checking marc data from koha's db? 18:53 jcamins Whoops, time to get ready and head to seder. 18:53 library_systems_guy thanks 18:53 library_systems_guy andddd...i feel retarded lol 18:53 jcamins Then run visudo and give your user permissions. 18:53 jcamins library_systems_guy: just install sudo. apt-get install sudo 18:53 library_systems_guy hmm 18:52 slef no, I use sudo! 18:52 library_systems_guy su root* 18:52 library_systems_guy do you just do so root? 18:52 library_systems_guy o_0 18:52 slef library_systems_guy: I use it most days! 18:51 library_systems_guy realized there is no sudo command in debian 18:50 * slef is in a sip3 call 18:30 cait hm! 18:29 rangi [off] heh 18:29 jcamins [off] I can think of two of them. 18:29 cait [off] rangi: there are 4 peope before SA) 18:29 rangi [off]he's off being a publisher now, screwing libraries in a different way 18:29 cait I know the paper 18:29 oleonard [off] Stephen "Open source is for terrorists" Abram 18:28 jcamins [off] Okay, maybe not *least* favorite, but he's up there 18:28 rangi https://twitter.com/#!/ranginui/status/60047296536117248 18:28 rangi naw, hes only 5th 18:28 jcamins [off] Stephen Abram, former CEO of SirsiDynix, rangi's least favorite person in the world. 18:27 cait [off] SA? 18:27 jcamins [off] Does I look like SA? 18:26 * cait stops pouting 18:26 cait lol 18:26 rangi 'With Koha, we won't even sue you if you change your mind" 18:25 rangi i know im gonna be dining out on that in sales talks for months 18:25 rangi when the publicity is, sirsi sues people? 18:25 jcamins publicity == good 18:24 rangi even 150k ... is it really worth the publicity? 18:24 tcohen (from command line) 18:24 tcohen s/valida/validate/ 18:23 jcamins Eww. 18:23 jcamins MS Publisher. 18:23 rangi says they move people slowly off it, to their 'webscale' thingy 18:23 tcohen a tool to valida marcxml? 18:23 jcamins What is a pub file? 18:23 rangi cait: $20 18:23 * cait pouts 18:22 rangi quick add some more fields to 952 18:22 cait BOND is a German company, it's THE system used in public libraries 18:22 cait they do 18:22 rangi :) 18:22 rangi cait: they will never cope with all your localised german changes tho 18:22 cait yeah, they do 18:21 cait hmpf. 18:21 rangi cait: they buy everything 18:21 cait oclc 18:21 rangi and cpc is the pawn in the middle 18:21 cait have you seen they bought BOND? 18:21 rangi who are no saints themselves 18:21 rangi what it looks like to me is they are having a crack at oclc 18:21 chris_n but it may be the old "sue and hope they settle instead of fight" line 18:20 rangi chris_n: *nod* 18:20 rangi now go away 18:20 rangi that quote and contract 18:20 rangi thats how much it cost you to draft 18:20 chris_n ie you cannot bill services in advance 18:20 rangi so the court here would probably say, what, you can have 5k 18:19 chris_n rangi: in NC too, iirc 18:19 chris_n consideration is typically money or tangibles 18:19 rangi in nz, you do have to actually render services to get payment 18:19 rhcl "After entering into the Master Agreement with SirsiDynix, CPC Regional " 18:19 cait probably a long complicated contract 18:19 rangi yes they signed, and under us law that might be valid 18:19 rangi probably a condition in the contract that says, you pay us this no matter what 18:19 rhcl let me re-read, but didn't CPC sign? 18:18 chris_n I'm still curious as to what consideration binds the contract if said company did nothing other than quote and sign 18:18 rangi then yes, you almost deserve it 18:17 oleonard But they're so big they must be good, right? Everyone else is doing it! 18:17 rangi if you sign a contract that says you have to pay some 150k whether you use their software or not 18:17 rangi they should never have signed with a stupid evil company 18:17 library_systems_guy i suffered injuries using Sirsi Symphony...can i sue 18:17 rangi yes bad planning 18:16 * chris_n wonders what consideration was actually rendered in this context 18:16 rhcl bad planning on CPC's part too, methinks. 18:16 oleonard I suffered injuries and damages in the amount of 56 million dollars when I didn't win that much in the lottery. 18:16 library_systems_guy thats a lot of cash 18:16 library_systems_guy jesus 18:16 rangi even tho they never implemented it 18:16 rangi As a direct consequence of CPC Regional’s breach of this covenant, SirsiDynix has suffered injuries and damages in the amount of $146,844.80. 18:15 rangi cos it was a binding contract 18:14 rangi sd still want the 150k 18:13 rangi chose it, changed their minds 18:13 rangi they probably have a legal case 18:13 jcamins Did they sue a library for not choosing their software? 18:12 rangi you know you are screwed 18:12 rangi once you start suing libraries 18:12 rangi it'll do this for about 10 more years 18:12 rangi the death throes of a stuffed business 18:11 nengard oh for crying out loud 18:11 rangi http://www.librarytechnology.org/ltg-displaytext.pl?RC=15617 18:11 rangi stay classy sirsi dynix 18:04 jcamins Of course, the only thing that matters is that the new tests pass in Master, so it's not critical to apply the second first. 18:01 jcamins then apply the first follow-up patch to fix it (and rerun the test). 18:01 jcamins perl t/db_dependent/Biblio.t), to confirm the incorrect behavior exists, and 18:01 jcamins (from my comment on the bug report: For testing it may be better to apply the second follow-up patch first (and run 18:00 nengard k 17:59 rangi jcamins: i was gonna ignore him too until his last email 17:57 jcamins That's the one you signed off on. I found it in my e-mail. 17:57 jcamins Yep. 17:57 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5859 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED, Can't set character encoding with stage MARC records 17:57 jcamins In that case you signed off on bug 5859. 17:57 jcamins Run the test in the second patch. 17:57 nengard nope ... i have no idea how to test that 17:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5683 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, REOPENED, link_bibs_to_authorities.pl can corrupt records 17:56 jcamins nengard: did you sign off on bug 5683? 17:56 jcamins Yeah, I've decided not to try and help. 17:56 cait rangi: thank you 17:55 rangi cait spends time helping him out, and he uses it as an opportunity to just whine more 17:55 nengard oh okay 17:55 rangi koha-devel list 17:55 nengard guy? 17:53 rangi wow that guy is annoying 17:46 chris_n nengard: git reset --hard HEAD also 17:41 nengard patches signed off 17:41 nengard but i started again and it worked 17:41 nengard don't know what the errors were about 17:41 jcamins nengard: yay! 17:40 nengard jcamins it's working 17:39 jcamins If I do that, I get the same message you did. 17:39 jcamins nengard: did you run both git rebase --abort _and_ git am --abort? 17:39 cait *? 17:39 cait on which branch are you on 17:39 nengard seems to be okay .. let me try 17:39 nengard wait 17:38 nengard my list of branches 17:38 cait nengard: what does a git branch give you? 17:38 jcamins Mine is working fine after that. 17:37 jcamins Hm. 17:37 nengard anyone else ... cause now things are really borked 17:37 jcamins Let me try and replicate what you did. 17:36 jcamins I'm out of ideas. --abort usually works for me. 17:36 nengard that's not promising 17:35 jcamins Hm. 17:35 nengard Resolve operation not in progress, we are not resuming. 17:35 nengard nengard@debian:~/kohaclone$ git am --abort 17:35 jcamins git am --abort, sorry 17:34 jcamins git rebase --abort 17:34 jcamins Hm. 17:34 nengard previous rebase directory /home/nengard/kohaclone/.git/rebase-apply still exists but mbox given. 17:34 nengard cat: /home/nengard/kohaclone/.git/rebase-apply/next: No such file or directory 17:34 nengard it didn't like that 17:34 nengard um 17:34 nengard thanks 17:34 nengard oh cool 17:34 jcamins Hit Ctrl-C and try again. 17:33 jcamins It's waiting for you to type in the patch by hand. 17:33 nengard and it seems to be hanging 17:32 nengard ooops ... what happens if you type 'git am -3 -i -u' without the name of the patch ... i hit enter too soon 17:24 chris_n not a fix of the problem by any stretch 17:24 chris_n this is definitely only a way around an ungraceful death 17:24 cait hehe 17:23 * chris_n creates his own encoding issue by adding some hindi as well as misc diacriticals to some titles 17:16 jcamins nengard: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&remaction=run&namedcmd=Needs%20Signoff&sharer_id=1 17:16 nengard_lunch i forget where the link is 17:16 jcamins Works fine for me. 17:15 nengard_lunch can someone point me to the list of patches that need sign off 17:15 nengard_lunch hey looks like things aren't loading on this page: http://koha-community.org/get-involved/ 17:09 oleonard I've got 99 problems but label utf8 encoding issues ain't one. 17:05 * chris_n looks for someone with label utf8 encoding issues to test a patch 17:01 * jcamins likes to have bacon omelets for breakfast every so often. 17:00 jcamins Ah. 17:00 oleonard The alternative I'm experiencing is not cooking enough bacon. 16:59 jcamins oleonard: the alternative is collecting jars to put it in so you can throw it away, where it does no one any good. 16:57 * oleonard considers the positive benefits of needing a lot of bacon grease to be left over 16:56 wizzyrea hrm 16:56 wizzyrea ...I just realized I'm not connected to freenode. 16:55 jcamins And shortening really makes for *much* fluffier biscuits than butter. 16:55 wizzyrea :) 16:55 jcamins Why waste it, right? 16:54 wizzyrea hahahahahaha... I can't even... that's so awesome. 16:54 jcamins Actually, there's one other customization to the recipe: instead of using butter I use shortening from bacon. 16:53 wizzyrea they are righteous gut bombs, but yummy. 16:53 jcamins Shari really likes Red Lobster biscuits. 16:53 jcamins I've never actually had the Red Lobster biscuits, but that's why I make them. 16:53 jcamins Yup. 16:52 wizzyrea like the red lobster ones but spicier 16:52 wizzyrea ok yes, that sounds like the best biscuit ever 16:52 jcamins Joy of cooking buttermilk biscuits + 1 c. shredded cheddar + oregano, garlic powder, and red pepper flakes to taste = happy jcamins 16:50 cait nengard: probably not :( 16:50 cait oooh! 16:49 wizzyrea NOM 16:49 jcamins cheddar_oregano_buttermilk_biscuits++ 16:38 nengard I'm not getting it work 16:38 nengard has anyone tested the OPACMySummaryHTML preference since switching to TT? 16:36 wizzyrea :) 16:36 Brooke_ me feels the <3, excepting from flying Frenchmen. 16:35 wizzyrea hi brooke! 16:35 cait Brooke_++ for being right 16:35 cait and hi Brooke 16:35 cait hae a nice evening 16:34 cait bye hdl 16:34 Brooke_ cheers hdl 16:34 Brooke_ *gasp* 16:33 hdl have a nice day folks. 16:33 hdl hi Brooke_ you're scaring me away ;) 16:33 jcamins No, I don't think he's on IRC. 16:33 huginn gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. 16:33 gmcharlt @later tell NCAR yes 16:33 wizzyrea :) 16:33 wizzyrea no clue 16:33 wizzyrea ohh 16:32 cait not paul_p - the one from the mailing list 16:32 hdl cait: ? 16:32 * cait feels totally misunderstood 16:32 wizzyrea he left just a few minutes ago I think 16:32 cait probably not 16:32 cait is Paul around here? 16:32 chris_n and I think I'm on to a fix for some of the "wide character" errors 16:31 cait Myshkin++ 16:31 chris_n but the problem seems to be exacerbated by PDF::Reuse 16:31 cait I misunderstood labels 16:31 jcamins Probably the latter. 16:31 cait ah 16:31 jcamins Or possibly Myshkin chasing it. 16:31 chris_n cait: the pdf standard does not handle utf8 well 16:31 jcamins ^^ that was the bug 16:31 jcamins Rrwawrr! 16:30 cait chris_n: utf-8 encoding monster bug?? 16:30 cait mystery solved ;) 16:29 jcamins No cnsort. 16:29 jcamins Yup. Mystery solved. 16:28 jcamins Actually, I'm not sure if the mystery was solved. 16:28 NCAR is Galen around today? 16:27 jcamins Mystery solved. 16:27 jcamins s/s$// 16:27 NCAR howdy 16:27 wizzyrea wb NCAR 16:27 jcamins Oh, weird.s 16:27 nengard hehe 16:27 wizzyrea though I don't remember what it is :P 16:26 wizzyrea nengard: that seems like something I would do, but I imagine that if I didn't change the phone numbers it was because there was a compelling argument not to 16:26 jcamins Ooh, I bet that's it. 16:25 oleonard jcamins: Check the new "shelfbrowseruses*" prefs? 16:25 * chris_n is on to squashing a bit more of the utf8 labels encoding monster bug 16:24 nengard hey - what patch changed the email labels to primary and secondary - and why didn't it fix the phone labels as well? 16:22 jcamins Actually, it's 001.9 to whatever. 16:22 jcamins http://vokal.kohavt.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=37189&shelfbrowse_itemnumber=38901#shelfbrowser and http://vokal.kohavt.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=38878&shelfbrowse_itemnumber=40605#shelfbrowser 16:21 wizzyrea ! 16:21 jcamins So it also skips from 003 to 280. 16:20 jcamins What's really odd is it seems to do this for *all* books. 16:20 jcamins Seem to be. 16:20 wizzyrea that does seem odd. Books in between cataloged correctly? 16:19 jcamins It's skipping from 003 to 300 (for example), but there are records with call numbers in between. 16:18 jcamins Hm, no, I'm getting... odd... results with browse shelf. 16:18 library_systems_guy amazon ftw 16:18 nengard that i didn't know about cause i don't use google jackets :) 16:18 huginn 04Bug 5138: normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, Erroneous display for OPACShelfBrowser with GoogleJackets enabled 16:18 wizzyrea also this http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5138 16:17 cait thought that was fixed 16:17 library_systems_guy yeah that one 16:17 nengard there is one where if you scroll to the next list... yeah that one 16:17 wizzyrea this one jcamins? 16:17 huginn 04Bug 5500: major, P5, ---, pianohacker, NEW, shelf browse changing bib record 16:17 wizzyrea http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5500 16:17 wizzyrea what was the bug? 16:17 library_systems_guy yeah in our meeting 16:17 nengard i did? 16:16 library_systems_guy I think nengard mentioned something about that bug jcamins 16:16 cait hi library_systems_guy 16:16 library_systems_guy hi cait 16:15 cait hi #koha 16:14 jcamins Does anyone remember a recent browse shelf bug? 16:14 chris_n [off] have coffee and donuts? 16:12 wizzyrea [off] and now I'm completely derailed... what was I planning to do before that abysmal meeting? 16:09 * wizzyrea goes to check the logs... 16:08 library_systems_guy lol exactly 16:08 wizzyrea best way to spend time ever! 16:08 wizzyrea [off] boring as usual :P 16:08 library_systems_guy how was your meeting wizzyrea 16:06 wizzyrea :D 15:56 library_systems_guy Well that meeting went way better than I thought 15:28 kf but it's time to go home - bye all 15:27 kf a lot of public libraries use BOND around here. 15:26 kf http://www.oclc.org/news/releases/2011/201121.htm ! 15:24 kf and sorry for causing confusion 15:24 kf ok 15:23 nengard I don't need a new file, I have it all working 15:23 nengard kf no problem at all!! 15:23 kf can send you the right file if you want to? 15:23 kf nengard: I am sorry 15:20 kf I really send you the wrong file :( 15:20 kf oh 15:20 nengard at least now i understand enough to write the manual 15:20 nengard and that finds no results, but if I change it to just the number it works 15:19 nengard w Record control number (DE-600)1360045-x 15:19 nengard w Record control number (DE-576)057735654 15:19 nengard t Title FIZ Technik / Maschinenbau 15:19 nengard a Main entry heading Fachinformationszentrum Technik / s 15:19 nengard i Display text Forts. 15:19 nengard 785 00 - SUCCEEDING ENTRY 15:19 kf the symbol should be in 003 but not in parentheses in front of the $w 15:18 kf or i send you the wrong files 15:18 kf not in the $w subfields 15:18 kf hm, don't think so 15:17 nengard kf in the samples you gave me you have the symbol in there 15:16 jcamins Yeah, it should just be $w12345 15:16 nengard and YrSymbol in the 003 15:15 nengard you have $w(YrSymbol)12345 in the notes 15:15 jcamins No symbol. 15:15 nengard k 15:15 jcamins nengard: no. 15:15 nengard jcamins - does the 78x field need the symbol before the control number? 15:13 slef (3M only give meeting times in some random US abbreviation not -xxxx format) 15:13 gmcharlt slef: oy 15:12 slef gmcharlt: it seems that the 3M SIP 3.0 discussion is 3h later today. I only noticed that after wondering why I was still the first participant there even after discovering that one of my phones can't access their teleconference system. 15:06 kf I can imagine your todo list is as long or longer than mine 15:06 nengard sorry i forgot about that 15:06 nengard you are right 15:05 kf for the usecontrolnumber thing 15:05 kf :) 15:05 kf and I sent you sample records 15:05 kf we don#t even have states 15:05 kf I think you could write a script to do some of it - but someone else should figure that out 15:05 nengard thanks 15:05 nengard i just forgot about 15:05 nengard I have taht saved on my computer 15:05 nengard jcamins - OH YES YOU DID!! 15:04 jcamins nengard: I explained UseControlNumber in librarian English. Just not layperson English. :P 15:04 kf and I can confirm 15:04 kf sorry, bad english, but you understand 15:04 nengard was just confirming 15:04 nengard that i figured 15:04 kf no, nothing in the data will change in data for the new state field 15:04 nengard that's where i'm stuck 15:04 nengard i'm looking for librarian english explanations ;) not developer explanations 15:04 kf I hope 15:04 nengard so you can help me? :) 15:04 nengard oooo 15:03 kf 2 of them are regarding developments I did :) 15:03 kf nengard: reading your list of questions on the mailing list 14:59 library_systems_guy calling it...fashionably late 14:57 wizzyrea walked in and only 2 people there, walked out again. :P 14:57 wizzyrea not quite yet on the staff meeting 14:57 wizzyrea ^^ also a good reason 14:57 library_systems_guy good point mtj 14:56 mtj thats why i run debian 14:56 mtj there's many more Koha devs running debian that ubuntu, so you get better help from them 14:56 wizzyrea < staff meeting 14:56 library_systems_guy not that you guys have to stop talking lol 14:55 library_systems_guy fair warning 14:55 library_systems_guy people starting to arrive at meeting 14:54 library_systems_guy so debain doesn't seem like a bad option 14:54 library_systems_guy there is some other software that doesn't work with ubuntu but works on debian that the university uses 14:53 library_systems_guy and i agree 14:53 library_systems_guy it seemed to work ok 14:53 wizzyrea it's basically debian 14:53 wizzyrea ubuntu is fine really 14:53 wizzyrea I can't think of anything else though 14:53 wizzyrea them as* 14:53 library_systems_guy fair enough 14:53 wizzyrea debian has more of them packages 14:52 wizzyrea dependency packaging 14:52 library_systems_guy what is its shortcoming? 14:52 jcamins anything_not_debian_or_ubuntu-- 14:52 jcamins Ubuntu is okay. 14:52 library_systems_guy i think 14:52 library_systems_guy after this meeting 14:51 library_systems_guy but im about to try a debian install 14:51 library_systems_guy heh ok...well i had it on ubuntu 14:51 jcamins anything_not_debian-- 14:51 wizzyrea (if you have to) 14:51 wizzyrea (or ubuntu) 14:51 jcamins Definitely Debian. 14:51 wizzyrea debian 14:51 jcamins Debian! 14:51 library_systems_guy what OS do you guys use to run koha? any preference? 14:50 wizzyrea heh 14:49 library_systems_guy too bad I can't put you guys on conference on the meeting :P 14:48 library_systems_guy in about 10 mins 14:48 wizzyrea I think he's in the meeting now ;) 14:47 library_systems_guy its about to start 14:47 library_systems_guy no 14:47 jcamins library_systems_guy: that was your meeting? 14:45 library_systems_guy back :) 14:44 kf using display none 14:44 kf not sure if you can do it by css... perhaps you can 14:44 kf jquery would be javascript 14:41 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot nicole 14:41 wizzyrea wahanui: forget nicole 14:41 library_systems_guy headed up...be back soon 14:40 mib_pockr6 ok... thanks... it has to be hardcoded or by CSS right? 14:40 kf there is no permission about that (sadly) but you could hide it 14:39 kf jquery 14:39 mib_pockr6 guys another questions (reserves is a "bug" of Koha)... it is possible to remove the option to forgive fines in the circulation? (because the librarians can use it as they want it, which is a problem) 14:38 wahanui it has been said that nicole is not, though. 14:38 library_systems_guy NICOLE!!! 14:37 nengard then we can answer questions 14:37 nengard I had #koha open while training, why not during a meeting? 14:36 nengard :) 14:35 library_systems_guy psh whatever meetings are no fun with pants 14:34 library_systems_guy yeah guys no crazy-ness in the irc 14:34 oleonard You gotta warn us so we can put on pants 14:34 library_systems_guy haha 14:34 wizzyrea (but I usually warn them) 14:34 wizzyrea I've done that 14:34 wizzyrea :) 14:33 wizzyrea ! 14:33 library_systems_guy oh man that'd be awesome...I could put you guys on the projector 14:33 wizzyrea you can bring us with you! 14:32 library_systems_guy I'll be back later, have a koha implementation meeting...joy 14:31 wizzyrea sign off on patches? 14:30 wizzyrea sign of on patches is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Sign_off_on_patches 14:30 wizzyrea sign off on patches? 14:30 wahanui i guess version control using git is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git 14:30 wizzyrea version control using git? 14:30 wizzyrea version control using git is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git 14:30 kf the only thing you have to do is choose dev instead of standard when you install koha 14:30 wizzyrea http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git 14:30 wizzyrea version control using git? 14:29 library_systems_guy is that install process in the doc anywhere? 14:29 kf yep 14:29 jcamins Yeah. 14:29 library_systems_guy is doing a dev install stable for production? 14:28 library_systems_guy then just path everything from there 14:28 library_systems_guy ok 14:28 wizzyrea ^^ 14:28 jcamins If you're using git, do a dev install. 14:27 library_systems_guy oh man that sucks 14:27 sekjal library_systems_guy: you'd need to rerun make 14:26 library_systems_guy how do the new template files get into the cgi-bin? 14:26 library_systems_guy and If i did a standard install to /var/share/koha and i did the checkout from /home/koha/kohaclone 14:25 library_systems_guy So I was thinking about my Git issue that I was having when Nicole was here last week 14:25 library_systems_guy should rename it troll bot 14:25 library_systems_guy oops i forgot that was the bot 14:25 wizzyrea there you are 14:25 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot library_systems_guy 14:25 wizzyrea silly bot 14:24 wizzyrea wahanui: forget library_systems_guy 14:24 library_systems_guy must be monday 14:24 library_systems_guy man i can't type 14:24 library_systems_guy mumbling* 14:23 library_systems_guy i was mumblink 14:22 nengard guess someone taught wahanui that on Friday 14:22 nengard hehe 14:22 wahanui well, library_systems_guy is mumbling about finding something 14:22 nengard hey library_systems_guy 14:21 library_systems_guy w00t 14:21 wizzyrea :D 14:21 wahanui jquery library is found at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/JQuery_Library 14:21 wizzyrea jquery library? 14:21 tcohen 6126 is a bug, 4389 is a feature (that happens to fail to work if 6126 is not applied, webkit problems) 14:20 jcamins library_systems_guy: if you don't already know about it, you'll probably want to browse the jQuery library on the wiki at some point: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/JQuery_Library 14:20 wizzyrea :( boo tornadoes 14:20 * chris_n 's brain got twisted up during the tornadoes apparently 14:20 jcamins Jared. ;) 14:20 library_systems_guy sup jarrod 14:19 chris_n make sense? 14:19 tcohen ok, i get it: those bugs are unrelated 14:19 chris_n otherwise, I just need a complete patch set so that 6126 applies cleanly to 3.2.x 14:19 library_systems_guy thx wizzyrea 14:19 chris_n tcohen: if 6126 depends on files added by 4389 then it will not be back ported is what i'm trying to type :-P 14:19 tcohen 4389 is enh, 6126 a bugfix that should/could be applied to 3.2.x 14:19 wizzyrea wb library_systems_guy 14:18 tcohen hehe 14:18 jcamins Hello, library_systems_guy. 14:18 * chris_n cannot seem to type this morning 14:18 chris_n 4389 that is 14:18 chris_n 6126/ 14:18 chris_n sorry 14:18 chris_n if 6126 is a truly "new" feature, that is 14:17 chris_n tcohen: if it depends on 6126, no 14:17 tcohen the patch that fixes bug in 6126 should be ported 14:17 tcohen chris_n: so, patch for 3.2.x, for 4389 wont be applied 14:15 tcohen patch for 6126 fixes a bug in moremember-receipt.tmpl, printfeercpt.tmpl and printinvoice.tmpl 14:15 chris_n ahh... new features are not backported to 3.2.x 14:14 tcohen patch for 4389 add a feature to circulation.tmpl/tt 14:13 chris_n I'm confused as to what files are missing in 3.2.x which are not included in the patch set for 6126 14:13 tcohen because of a bug patch for 6126 solves 14:13 tcohen but bug 4389 happens not to work on webkit based browsers 14:12 tcohen not directly 14:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4389 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED, Trigger quick slip print on empty checkout submit 14:12 chris_n tcohen: this is related to bug 4389? 14:07 tcohen but i know i'll find more situations like this 14:06 tcohen i already have the patch for 3.2.x 14:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6126 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED, Slip print doesn't work on Webkit based browsers 14:05 tcohen Bug 6126 14:05 tcohen modules/members/printinvoice.tmpl 14:05 chris_n which bug I mean; sorry 14:04 tcohen modules/members/printfeercpt.tmpl 14:04 wahanui it has been said that which is not which 14:04 chris_n which? 14:04 tcohen the problem is that it changes 2 files not present in 3.2.x right now 14:03 tcohen chris_n: no problem then, bugzilla will have patch for master (already pushed), patch for pre-tt master, and for 3.2.x branch 14:02 chris_n otherwise, note in the commit message that it should be applied to 3.2.x and I'll pick it from master 14:02 mib_pockr6 so if I want to block the reserves I've to change the code.... C4::Reserves maybe? 14:02 chris_n tcohen: if the patch will not apply cleanly to 3.2.x you should submit separately 14:01 sekjal so to exploit this bug, the patron would need to get out the material, then place a hold on it and have that hold get to the top of the queue just about the time the material would be due? 13:59 tcohen should I commit a new patch fr 3.2.x or wait for changes in pre-tt master be cherry picked by chris_n? 13:59 tcohen the patch for template::pro doesn't apply cleanly on 3.2.x 13:58 tcohen (pushed) 13:58 tcohen it was rebased for tt 13:58 kf sekjal: I have seen them put holds on different editions, just to get one 13:58 tcohen i submitted a patch against master (for pre-tt master actually) 13:58 mib_pockr6 (by the way my name is Vitor Fernandes, maybe you've already read some of my questions on the mailing list) 13:58 kf sekjal: I can imagine that happening 13:58 tcohen i need advice on something that is being discussed on patches for 3.2.x 13:57 mib_pockr6 which if a problem if the others patrons wanted the book too 13:57 mib_pockr6 it's a possibility to have the book for longer periods of time... 13:56 sekjal have any Koha libraries found people doing this, or is it just a theoretical exploit at this time? 13:56 mib_pockr6 I agree with kf.... 13:56 kf yes, and perhaps different for different types of libraries 13:56 paul_p kf, good argument too. I fear it's a problem that each library will want to solve differently... 13:55 oleonard I think that's the fear sekjal 13:55 paul_p oleonard, in this case, the teacher won't return his book, just check out 2 at the same time : one for him, one for the student 13:55 kf making it hard for others 13:55 kf sekjal: I think about students during exams. they will do almost everything to make sure they can keep a book 13:55 sekjal oleonard: as a way of gaming longer loan periods? 13:55 kf mid-air collision! 13:55 oleonard sekjal: So that when it was time to return it they were sure to be next in line in the hold queue? 13:55 paul_p (hello everybody) 13:54 paul_p jumping in the discussion: I agree it's debatable: a school can find usefull to have a teacher with a check-out placing a hold on another item for a student of his team 13:54 sekjal why would a patron place a hold on an item they already have? 13:53 kf yep, I think oleonard is right, it should only allow item level holds, not an additional title level hold 13:53 oleonard sekjal: Of course if they have item-level holds turned off... 13:52 kf hm. 13:52 mib_pockr6 I can help in the proccess because i've good perl knowledges... 13:52 sekjal once multiple holds can be placed on a single biblio, we'll need to reevaluate 13:52 sekjal at this time, it's more of a feature to have this enabled. this way, patrons can have one volume of a multi-part set out, and a hold on the next volume 13:51 oleonard mib_pockr6: That means that you could be the one! 13:51 oleonard mib_pockr6: There can't be a patch for it until someone decides that this is a problem worth patching 13:50 nengard not at this time 13:50 mib_pockr6 :| that's a problem to me... there isn't any patch to solve it? 13:50 nengard kf that's a question for sekjal 13:50 kf nengard: hm. do you see a possibility that this might be covered by the holds rewrite? 13:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3551 enhancement, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW, patron able to place hold on book he already has 13:49 kf bug 3551 13:49 oleonard mib_pockr6: I can certainly see the utility of having that option 13:48 nengard kf, with so many bug reports searching can be difficult i do agree 13:48 oleonard To configure that policy is feature Koha lacks, let's put it that way mib_pockr6 13:48 kf nengard: searching... seems I added a comment to an existing bug, makes it harder to find it 13:47 mib_pockr6 for me it's a bug LOL because the library wants to prevent that 13:47 oleonard It's neither a bug nor a feature, it's just the way it is. :) 13:46 nengard do you know the bug number? 13:46 kf but a debatable one 13:46 nengard heh 13:46 kf it's a feature... it seems 13:46 mib_pockr6 *bug? 13:46 mib_pockr6 so it's a koha byg 13:46 kf because it annoys my people hehe 13:46 nengard LOL 13:46 kf there is a bug report for that too :) 13:46 nengard sorry you're right 13:46 chris_n g'morning 13:46 nengard oh! 13:46 kf nengard: hm, I think what mib... asks is if you can prevent people from placing holds on items they have checked out? because you can't 13:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4239 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jwagner, ASSIGNED, Allow holds on multiple items of selected titles 13:45 nengard bug 4239 13:44 nengard it's a bug report actually ... hang on 13:44 oleonard Ah you would remember that then 13:44 nengard during training 13:44 nengard i always remember people getting annoyed at me 13:44 nengard yes cause it pissed people off :) 13:44 oleonard nengard: Are you sure it used to? 13:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4389 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED, Trigger quick slip print on empty checkout submit 13:43 nengard love patch for bug 4389 - signed off!!! 13:43 mib_pockr6 it is some system preference? 13:41 mib_pockr6 I've tested now and it is possible :/ 13:41 nengard at least it used to :) 13:41 nengard koha does that automatically - you cannot place a hold on a book you already have a hold on 13:39 mib_pockr6 First: It is possible to block a patron to reserve books that he already have? 13:38 mib_pockr6 can anybody help me in two things? 13:37 mib_pockr6 Hi there... 13:35 nengard http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-4-manual-en/?ch=x5419#budgetplanning 13:34 nengard see manual 1.5.2.1 Add a budget 13:34 nengard budget 13:34 nengard buddget 13:34 nengard no 13:34 nengard fund level 13:29 oleonard Are they locked at the budget level or the fund level? 13:29 oleonard I didn't think mine were either 13:29 nengard mine aren't locked 13:29 nengard oh 13:28 oleonard nengard: The greyed out text is from the budget being locked, according to the template 13:22 nengard nothing greyed out 13:22 nengard oleonard, on chrome on mac the links show as well 13:22 nengard checking in chrome 13:21 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6185] holds slip says 'reserve' <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6185> 13:21 nengard oleonard - okay so it's a FF4 thing showing me the links probably - but they should be active 13:12 * oleonard has no active edit or delete link on aqbudgets.pl. Grey text. 13:12 nengard also i don't see the budgets on the right of cgi-bin/koha/acqui/acqui-home.pl 13:11 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6156] Misaligned column in cart print view <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6156> 13:11 nengard feel free to close if it's not a bug 13:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6200 blocker, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW, can't edit funds 13:11 nengard bug 6200 submitted on it 13:09 oleonard /cgi-bin/koha/admin/aqbudgets.pl ? 13:08 nengard the url changes, but the screen does not 13:07 nengard can someone confirm for me that i just found a bug ... i'm on the funds page and i'm clicking edit next to a fund and nothing is happening 12:58 kf hi gmcharlt :) 12:57 tcohen hi gmcharlt 12:56 magnuse g'day gmcharlt 12:56 gmcharlt good morning 12:55 Oak ok, thanks 12:54 * oleonard is glad that, at the very least, the lib-web-cats search for Koha libraries includes all of his vendor-specific categories 12:54 kf the problem with lib-web-cats is that a lot of those entries never get updated :( 12:53 magnuse i'd say more than 1200, but yeah 12:52 Oak ok, 'more than a thousand libraries' should be ok then 12:52 jcamins "Well over a thousand" 12:52 magnuse but there are a lot more than that 12:52 magnuse lib-web-cats has 1200 and some, that's the only thing we can say for sure... 12:52 Oak what should I say then? 12:51 oleonard That sounds too high to say without evidence. 12:50 Oak is it ok to say Koha is 'used by thousands of libraries in the world' ? the word 'thousands' ok? 12:49 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5791] Robust handling of deleted biblios/authorities <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5791> 12:46 Oak making a presentation on Koha and adding links to her tutorials... 12:45 Oak ah, ok, thanks 12:42 nengard two emails 12:42 nengard same person 12:40 Oak and Brooke Helman? 12:40 jcamins Brooke. 12:39 Oak ? 12:39 Oak who is B W Johnson 12:27 tcohen hi oleonard 12:26 oleonard Hi #koha 12:17 pastebot0 "jcamins" at 208.120.0.116 pasted "nengard - update koha-dev" (4 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/12 12:17 kf can I just writeoff all fines from borrower accounts and drop the accountlines table or will it explode? 12:17 kf hm question: I want to delete all fines, history about fines and everything else related 12:15 hdl branch -r is to get remote branches. 12:15 hdl done 12:15 hdl git branch -D $i 12:15 hdl do 12:15 hdl Or with a for i in `git branch -r |grep tokenIwant` 12:14 Oak \o 12:14 nengard i'll need to spend some time just deleting them one by one ;) 12:14 nengard k 12:14 hdl nengard: you could do that but only with bash and getting down in the .git files.... Which I would not advise.... 12:12 nengard is there a way in git to delete a bunch of branches at once? a wildcard or something? I have so many branches from all my signoffs and I really need to cut that list down some 11:49 jwagner Hi AmitG 11:49 AmitG heya jwagner 11:36 * jwagner waves back 11:35 * kf waves 11:31 nengard hehe :) thanks for checking up on me! :) 11:30 magnuse oops, i'm a bit delayed then... good that you made it! 11:29 nengard magnuse, the wind was a couple days ago and it was hard to stand upright :) but I made it :) 11:29 magnuse you didn't get swept away by the wind last night, nengard! 11:28 jwagner Hi magnuse 11:28 magnuse hiya nengard and jwagner 11:16 magnuse hi conan 11:10 kf hi conan 11:10 AmitG heya conan 11:09 conan hi everyone 10:59 * druthb wriggles happily 10:58 kf hi druthb :) 10:50 kmkale :) 10:50 druthb hi, kmkale! :D 10:50 kmkale hi druthb 10:49 druthb o/ 10:49 magnuse o/ 10:13 tcohen hi #koha 09:31 * magnuse wanders off to an early lunch 09:19 kmkale AmitG: bhow about that link? 09:18 kmkale hi AmitG 09:18 AmitG heya kmkale 09:12 kmkale blame that on my broadband provider :( 09:10 kf 2 kamkales for more pestering about kohacon? 09:08 wahanui rumour has it kf is the kind of person that will brighten everyone's day 09:08 kmkale_ who kf? 09:07 kmkale_ yay 09:05 magnuse hehe 09:05 kf or countrycode 09:05 kf magnuse: do you think they want us or only our language codes? 09:04 rangi http://www.iana.org/domains/root/db/ 09:03 rangi http://www.iana.org/domains/root/db/bi.html 09:03 rangi yeah i think its iana delegations not countrycodes 09:03 kf hm list says that's kh 09:02 kmkale burundi 09:02 kf burkina faso 09:02 kf bi? 09:01 magnuse it is 09:00 rangi thats pretty cool 09:00 rangi an yeah i was going on the language codes 08:59 kmkale zimbabwe 08:59 kf zw is china? 08:59 kmkale http://www.worldatlas.com/aatlas/ctycodes.htm 08:58 rangi im guessing ng is nigeria 08:58 rangi nz, philipines, pakistan, taiwan, us, china 08:58 magnuse 19 from nigeria? wow! 08:58 magnuse yay 08:58 rangi norway 08:58 rangi nigeria 08:57 kmkale yep 08:57 kmkale *Lanka 08:57 kf kmkale: more pestering? ;) 08:57 kmkale Shri Lanks 08:57 rangi sri lanka 08:57 kf lk... 08:57 rangi yep 08:57 kf ir? ireland? 08:57 kf india 08:57 kmkale I don't see Germany and France in there yet :( 08:57 kf great britain 08:57 rangi bi ? 08:57 rangi bangladesh 08:57 rangi australia 08:57 rangi afghanistan 08:56 rangi dont know that one 08:56 kf I need a legend 08:56 rangi i know all the other ones 08:56 rangi BI? 08:56 kf but no idea about most of the other abbreviations 08:56 kf oh 2 from nz! 08:55 magnuse cool graph! 08:55 magnuse and kf 08:55 kf magnuse being one of those probably ;) 08:54 kmkale magnuse: most interesting part is the registrations are from 16 countries http://kohacon11.vpmthane.org/ocs/index.php/k/k11/schedConf/registration 08:53 kmkale hi paul_p 08:53 paul_p hi kmkale ! 08:52 magnuse nice 08:52 kmkale 2 paper abstracts awaiting review 08:51 kmkale 120 so far 08:50 magnuse any more registrations for kohacon? :-) 08:50 kmkale hi magnuse 08:50 magnuse hiya kmkale 08:47 kmkale hi kf :) 08:47 kf hi kmkale 08:46 magnuse hehe 08:46 kf I think we all have a serious koha addiction 08:41 eythian yeah, it's not even 9pm yet :) 08:40 magnuse well, that's early ;-) 08:36 eythian fixing one more thing then it's time to go home I think 08:23 magnuse hehe 08:23 paul_p magnuse, ;-) 08:23 rangi :) 08:23 rangi koha is life 08:22 magnuse paul_p: you consider this to be the real life? ;-) 08:17 paul_p back IRL after one week afk 08:17 paul_p bonjour everybody ! 08:17 rangi wb paul_p 08:16 eythian cool 08:16 magnuse kia ora, paul_p 08:15 rangi (i think by default that is set) 08:15 rangi if you set that in your frameworks yep 08:14 eythian location values map to the authorised value 'LOC' right? 08:14 magnuse yeah 08:13 rangi the things to test would be the obvious things, like circulation and cataloguing 08:13 rangi good 08:13 rangi hehe 08:13 magnuse ok, cool - i might not be able to keep myself from giving it a try then... 08:10 rangi so yes that one 3826 08:10 rangi magnuse: ah yes, that has all 11 of them in that one file 08:10 magnuse yummy! 08:09 kf can't only feed my coworkers here and leave #koha out 08:09 * kf puts a plate of cake int he middle of #koha 08:06 rangi hmm lemme check 08:05 magnuse so which patch(es) should be tested? the one called "signed off patches set" (http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=3826) from clrh, or all of the four that are listed? 08:01 rangi yep i really want it in 08:00 magnuse oh, it would be so good to have that in 3.4! 07:54 kf hi hdl :) 07:54 rangi im really hoping it will, it looks good to me, but is quite a big change so would like one more to check :) 07:54 hdl hi all 07:54 hdl feel free to test and sign off :P 07:54 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6199] Allow bulkmarcimport to blank duplicate barcodes rather than skipping items <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6199> 07:54 hdl magnuse: coulr be... It needs some more signoff 07:54 rangi it needs another sign off, and then it will 07:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5579 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED, Remove items from biblioitems.marcxml 07:53 magnuse is bug 5579 making it into 3.4? hope so! 07:51 rangi cool 07:46 kf rangi: will test tonight :) 07:45 magnuse eythian woohoo ;-) 07:45 eythian OK, now I've got useful conflicts 07:44 rangi kf: i think it just fixed the %s but maybe the xslt too 07:44 rangi yeah that oughta work 07:44 rangi normally i get conflicts if it was formatted against an old version of the branch 07:43 eythian OK, well I'll see if I can cherry pick it onto master and do it that way 07:43 rangi yeah it often doesnt just refuses not to apply cos the hashes in it dont exist in that branch 07:43 rangi kf: i dont know 07:43 eythian but it doesn't give me conflicts 07:43 rangi well maybe 07:42 eythian rangi: yeah, that's what I'm doing here. 07:42 rangi no 07:42 kf rangi: I saw your commits - one of them fixing xslt translation? 07:42 rangi or its been formatted against a branch, other than the one im trying to apply it to 07:42 rangi usually if i get a dont apply, the mail programme has munched it 07:42 eythian I'll see more soon 07:40 rangi but they still apply 07:40 eythian hmm strange 07:40 rangi at least half the patches i get have whitespace issues 07:40 rangi unless you have somehow switched on some kinda strict mode or something 07:40 rangi the not apply will be of something else 07:40 rangi yeah those are just warns 07:39 eythian the only mentions are of whitespace 07:39 eythian error: misc/migration_tools/bulkmarcimport.pl: patch does not apply 07:39 rangi if its just whitespace errors 07:39 rangi oh it can apply it just fine 07:39 eythian I mostly just think it's dumb of git to create a patch it can't apply 07:39 eythian rangi: that could be useful. Although it wouldn't catch this particular case: a space before a tab. 07:38 rangi eythian: you can check the hook for the apply 07:38 kf in my tests yesterday a lot of things in opac didn't get translated 07:38 kf magnuse: the translation still has some glitches - hope chris recent changes will fix most of it 07:37 rangi http://eng.wealthfront.com/2011/03/corrective-action-with-gits-pre-commit.html 07:37 kf hm. it's monday. forgot to scroll down. 07:36 kf eythian: hehe 07:34 eythian I can't see anything in there that would do it... 07:33 eythian oh 07:33 eythian rangi: but what do you use to find the whitespace errors? 07:33 rangi eythian: http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/git-hooks 07:32 magnuse rangi, yeah will do that 07:32 rangi and checks for conflict markers etc 07:31 rangi my commit runs all the critical tests 07:31 rangi in .git/hooks 07:31 rangi just add a hook 07:31 eythian rangi: that'd be better still 07:31 rangi im sure you can at format-patch too 07:30 rangi eythian: you can make it spot them at commit 07:30 rangi magnuse: you could grab the norwegian .po files from translate.koha-community.org and install them 07:30 eythian srsly git, how about spotting whitespace errors during format-patch rather than git-am 07:27 rangi hi clrh 07:26 clrh Bonjour magnuse & all :=) 07:26 magnuse bonjour clrh 07:26 magnuse eythian: woohoo! 07:26 eythian magnuse: all your Norwegian translations will now come up in Esperanto. 07:26 rangi thats what needs to be tested :) 07:26 francharb hello all 07:26 magnuse ah yes 07:26 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5917 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Switch Koha to use Template::Toolkit 07:25 magnuse bug 5917 07:25 magnuse test them how? are there things that are likely to be missed? 07:24 rangi for people running in another language, i would make sure to test the translations before upgrading production 07:23 rangi or at least getting there 07:22 rangi i think it should be pretty safe, i think the last remaining gotchas are to do with the translations and i think they are pretty much sorted 07:21 magnuse and i am so looking forward to not having to maintain my own little normarc fork! ;-) 07:21 magnuse my plan is to upgrade all my installs to 3.4 during easter - i might live to regret that, but it seems so very convenient to do it during those quiet days 07:19 magnuse cool 07:19 rangi wrote the release notes today, tomorrow ill be building a couple of tarballs, and testing installs 07:18 rangi magnuse: hopefully not too busy 07:15 hdl hi all 07:14 kf good morning #koha 07:14 rangi yep will be busy 07:14 magnuse rangi: you might be busy on friday, even if you have the day off? 07:13 magnuse ooh, sounds like we are quite lucky, then ;-) 07:13 * eythian makes a bug, makes a patch 07:13 magnuse eythian++ 07:12 eythian yay, fixed bulkmarcimport to deal with dodgy data. 07:11 AmitG we have only friday off ;( 07:10 rangi we have friday and monday off 07:10 magnuse so what are easter holidays like in koha land? in norway we work full days today and tomorrow, half a day on wednesday and then have thursday, friday, the weekend and monday completely off... 07:03 matts hello #koha 07:01 magnuse hiya AmitG 07:00 AmitG heya magnuse 06:59 julian hi #koha! 06:59 sophie_m hello #koha 06:58 magnuse bonjour biblibre 06:58 AmitG heya hdl, julian, sophie_m 06:48 magnuse ouch 06:48 eythian magnuse: one of many in Liberty it seems. 06:45 magnuse that does sound like a somewhat unfortunate default, eythian... 06:45 eythian oh, bye :) 06:44 eythian yeah, needed for a migration I'm doing, and likely to come up again in the future. Some versions of liberty default the barcode field to the biblio ID number. Which causes Koha problems if you have more than one item on that biblio. 06:44 cait ok, have to go - ttyl 06:43 cait eythian: sounds like a good idea 06:41 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 2.0�C (8:20 AM CEST on April 18, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: -5.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady). 06:41 magnuse @wunder bodo, norway 06:40 magnuse morning #koha 06:39 eythian trying to allow bulkmarcimport handle duplicate barcodes more gracefully than just throwing away items :) 06:38 eythian heh 06:38 cait eythian: how's tricks? 06:37 cait and I see rangi worked on my translation problems! yay! 06:36 cait so the answer is: tired, weekend was too short and getting ready for work ;) 06:36 cait thx 06:36 eythian or "how's it going" 06:36 eythian cait: it's a slang expression meaning "what's happening?" 06:34 cait morning magnuse :) 06:34 cait tricks? 06:29 eythian how's tricks? 06:26 cait hi eythian :) 06:26 eythian hello 06:26 cait #koha 06:26 cait hi #kohy 06:25 alex_a hi #koha 05:50 eythian it's only a 61.1kph ssw wind. Harden up :) 05:46 rangi I bet its actually about 4 on this bus 05:46 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0�C (5:00 PM NZST on April 18, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Rising). 05:46 rangi @wunder wellington nz 05:19 Oak_ much appreciated 05:18 Oak_ ok thank you very much rangi :) 05:18 rangi good luck :) 05:18 rangi ok, im off 05:18 Oak_ exactly 05:18 Oak_ oh yes that will surely help. did not thought of that 05:18 rangi might be some ones that give you ideas for your presentation 05:17 rangi the presentations are recorded, so there are links to the video 05:17 rangi and the other 2 days 05:17 rangi Oak_: i recommend http://www.kohacon10.org.nz/2010/program/day1.html 05:16 rangi ok time to catch my bus 05:13 Oak_ yes :) ok. 05:13 rangi id just recommend ignoring anything.koha.org 05:12 rangi git.koha-community.org, wiki.koha-community, download. www. etc 05:12 Oak_ yes I got this link http://www.librariansmatter.com/blog/2009/09/19/the-koha-fork-and-being-the-change-you-want-to-see/ before dc 05:12 rangi http://librariansmatter.com/blog/2009/09/19/the-koha-fork-and-being-the-change-you-want-to-see/ 05:12 Oak_ ok good, that sounds good 05:12 rangi did you see this link 05:12 rangi yeah 05:11 Oak_ hm, that's a good point. And to download Koha, the link is not koha.org but http://koha-community.org/download-koha/ 05:11 rangi could just mention the 37 or so other support companies that actually do instead 05:10 rangi basically if you are talking about Koha, then because liblime/ptfs dont do koha, you dont really need to mention them imho :) 05:10 Oak_ sorry, got dc 05:09 rangi is another 3rd party write up 05:09 rangi http://librariansmatter.com/blog/2009/09/19/the-koha-fork-and-being-the-change-you-want-to-see/ 05:09 mtj https://github.com/ptfs/Koha-PTFS/commits/harley 05:08 rangi something like htat 05:08 mtj harley was last updated 1 year ago, so its around 3000? commits behind Koha stable 05:08 Oak I am an MLIS student and need to give presentation on Koha... on Wednesday. 'Introduction to Koha and why we should consider it as an alternative to propriety software'. 05:07 Oak oh thanks 05:06 rangi is a good read 05:06 rangi http://lwn.net/Articles/386284/ 05:06 mtj liblime's 'released' fork is called harley 05:06 Oak ah 05:05 mtj liblime's unreleased fork is called 'liblime enterprise koha' aka llek 05:05 rangi presumably they take stuff from the Koha repo, and commit their own as well 05:05 rangi who knows how code makes it into Liblime stuff 05:05 rangi thats how code makes it into Koha 05:05 Oak hm 05:05 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Bug-enhancement-patch_Workflow 05:04 rangi the other fork is nearly 3 years old, and has never had a release 05:04 rangi its not a Koha release, the code hasnt been through the sign off, qa etc process that Koha goes through 05:04 Oak i see 05:04 rangi one of which they do releases for 05:03 rangi liblime maintain a couple of forks 05:03 rangi which does official releases 05:03 rangi Oak: there is Koha, which has elected release officials, like release managers release maintainers etc 05:03 space_librarian Liblime isn't exactly *open* 05:03 Oak I want to know about this :) 05:02 eythian open it. you know you wanna! 05:02 * space_librarian wonders how to put it 05:02 * eythian hands Oak a can labelled 'worms' 05:02 rangi heh 05:02 space_librarian that's a long story 05:01 Oak or explain here if possible. 05:01 Oak hi, can someone point me to a link that explains difference b/w Liblime and community releases of Koha. 03:34 rangi gmcharlt: around? 03:33 space_librarian Hey Amit! 03:33 wahanui space_librarian is probably a Koha poet 03:33 AmitG heya space_librarian 03:29 * druthb stumbles off to bed. 03:29 * space_librarian waves 03:29 druthb space_librarian++ 03:25 AmitG heya chris 03:25 AmitG heya all 02:54 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Potomac Woods, Rockville, Maryland is 14.9�C (10:55 PM EDT on April 17, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Pressure: 29.87 in 1011.4 hPa (Falling). 02:54 druthb @wunder 20852 02:51 huginn space_librarian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 11.0�C (2:00 PM NZST on April 18, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Rising). 02:51 space_librarian @wunder wellington, nz 02:44 huginn bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 14.5�C (7:45 PM PDT on April 17, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.78 in 1008.4 hPa (Steady). Wind Advisory in effect from 4 PM this afternoon to 3 am PDT Monday... 02:44 bg @wunder 93109 02:24 rangi back 02:01 space_librarian that's... wow 01:59 druthb chris_n2: I'm glad you and yours are okay! That's fierce! 01:59 space_librarian Wow... 01:57 chris_n2 same tornado tossing large fiberglass swimming pools into the air like toys: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxeEPfCmANQ 01:53 chris_n2 that gas station is ~3 miles from my house and shows both tornados 01:53 chris_n2 more tornado video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPsQkamAOlw 00:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5917 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Switch Koha to use Template::Toolkit 00:40 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 5917 : Trimming leading spaces - Please test it seems to work ok 00:40 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 5917 : More tweaks to the translation 00:40 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #191: UNSTABLE in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/191/ 00:25 jcamins_away Okay, I'm not getting my hands on this dissertation. Back to reading. 00:21 jcamins_away Heh. We did that once. 00:20 SteveJ We ordered several conference proceedings from the publisher in Chile. All the descriptions and such were in English, but when we received them found that all the papers were in Spanish. There was a bit of cursing involved when we got them in three months and $500 later. 00:20 jcamins_away Eventually I catch on to these things. 00:19 jcamins_away ... also the fact that the Russian title and the English title are completely different. 00:18 SteveJ lol 00:18 jcamins_away The best part, for me, is that the dissertation was written in Russian, but the author of the dissertation cites it in English. 00:18 jcamins_away Oh, yeah, those are fun too. 00:17 SteveJ I like the universities that insist theirs are available through proquest's service, except they are often unusuable in my field because images don't exactly come across well when microfilmed. 00:15 jcamins_away The one in Jerusalem, not the one in Cincinatti. 00:14 jcamins_away There's a fantastic-sounding dissertation from Hebrew University. 00:14 jcamins_away Yep. 00:14 druthb (or, trying to?) 00:13 druthb doing some research, jcamins? 00:13 jcamins_away I have fixed this. ;) 00:13 jcamins_away Prior to my decrementation, those universities had neutral karma. 00:13 huginn jcamins_away: Karma for "universities_that_don't_make_their_dissertations_available_anywhere" has been increased 0 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of -1. 00:13 jcamins_away @karma universities_that_don't_make_their_dissertations_available_anywhere 00:12 SteveJ ^Where did that come from? 00:11 jcamins_away universities_that_don't_make_their_dissertations_available_anywhere-- 00:09 druthb I had not planned on it. I am going to be at KUDOS in May (presenting--twice), and there was talk of ALA, but that's all I know of at this time. 00:08 druthb SteveJ: Handing me items in a 952 with only one field out of place, and a half-dozen little mapping tweaks, was a pleasant relief from some of the "build MARC from this nasty spreadsheet" garbage I've dealt with lately. 00:08 SteveJ By the way, are you going to be at SLA? 00:07 druthb A certain other site i'm coping with is much larger, and has their bib data in a non-standard XML format. It's clearly *supposed* to be MARC, but none of the conventional translators can touch it. I'm having to write a crosswalk to get it to something I *can* work with. Very messy. 00:06 SteveJ That is certainly a nice way of saying that since we were only using about six fields in our old system that there is not much work to be done. 00:04 druthb pretty_clean_data_to_start_with++ 00:03 druthb awesomeness. Any changes we need to make to the mapping, just shout; easy enough to do, then re-run the scripts and reload. That many bibs, takes an hour or so to do. 00:03 SteveJ Yep. A few minor tweaks needed but nothing major. Will let you know by Tuesday. 00:01 druthb Everything look okay, so far? 00:01 druthb You're not the only one i've torqued in that fashion this weekend--it's been a busy, productive one. 00:01 * druthb cackles. 00:00 SteveJ You had to be all nice and set up the test environment which is causing me to have to do work! 00:00 druthb eh? wha'd I do now?