Time Nick Message 00:06 rangi sekjal: does xslt in the staff client results work? 00:06 rangi i think i might be losing my mind 00:07 sekjal that may be the one that doesnt 00:07 rangi i know it does for detail 00:07 sekjal then it's the results that don't 00:07 rangi right ta 00:30 jenkins_koha Starting build 74 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #70 17 h ago) 00:35 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5883 : Prevent re-encoding the items if they are already in UTF-8 in ModBiblio. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=cce98a2914c85ce1e1c5563b64a986c880024079> 00:47 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5939: "Save and edit items" button broken <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=52ade1d437a1e6e7e0b3c6c022bfe75cb9f3b714> / Bug 5921: Add enumchron to the items detail page <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b585b63ec7f0b243f7fa2bf0aa2f17b269ce2665> 01:10 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed! 01:10 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #74: FIXED in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/74/ 01:10 jenkins_koha Frédérick Capovilla: Bug 5883 : Prevent re-encoding the items if they are already in UTF-8 in ModBiblio. 01:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5883 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, fcapovilla, ASSIGNED, UTF-8 characters in items (952) get encoded wrong when the record is modified. 01:10 jenkins_koha Starting build 75 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED) 01:49 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #75: SUCCESS in 39 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/75/ 01:49 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 5921: Add enumchron to the items detail page 01:49 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 5939: "Save and edit items" button broken 01:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5921 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED, Enumchron does not show up on item details screen in staff client 01:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5939 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED, Save and edit items button no longer works 01:52 jcamins_away rangi: did you push my follow-up for 3098? 01:52 rangi nope, cos the bug is sitting at needs signoff 01:53 jcamins_away That's why the other one didn't apply. 01:53 jcamins_away I'll attach the signed-off patch to the bug. 01:53 rangi ah right 01:53 rangi its more the status :) 01:53 rangi but that would help too 01:54 jcamins_away Oh, Nicole attached it. 01:54 jcamins_away Right-o. 01:54 rangi yes, its only the status that is puzzling me 01:55 jcamins_away Sorry, I was confused. 01:55 jcamins_away Updated to signed-off. 01:55 rangi ta 01:56 jcamins_away I had a lot of trouble figuring out how to deal with those two patches, because functionally, bug 5919 shouldn't depend on 3098. 01:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5919 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED, MARC21 fields 583 and 586 should display in OPAC Details 01:57 rangi right 01:57 rangi if you run into that again 01:57 jcamins_away However, I wasn't able to fix 5919 until I had done the clean up on bug 3098. 01:57 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3098 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, REOPENED, XSLT stylesheet does not obey OPACURLOpenInNewWindow syspref 01:57 rangi use the blocks/depends on 01:57 rangi that way ill know what order to apply them in 01:57 jcamins_away Okay. Can do. 01:58 rangi cool thanks 02:05 rangi hi wizzyrea 02:11 jcamins_away I marked the dependency in bugzilla. 02:11 rangi thanks ill hopefully get them pushed tonight 02:11 jcamins_away :) 02:11 jcamins_away And I'll try to find someone to sign 5868 so you can get my last two pushed. 02:12 jcamins_away :) 02:12 rangi :) 02:12 * jcamins_away looks around for someone sufficiently geeky about MARC records to be concerned with the indexing of subject headings. 02:12 wizzyrea_ hey there 02:13 jcamins_away A victim^H^H^H^H^H^Hindividual concerned with the indexing of subject headings! 02:18 wizzyrea_ 100k a second... dirty wanks at ATT 02:18 wizzyrea_ if I were in korea I'd be done by now! 02:19 * wizzyrea_ moans some more about the abysmal standard of broadband in the US 02:19 jcamins_away wizzyrea_: feel free to test reporting tomorrow. :D 02:20 wizzyrea_ oh, I'm sorry, it's only 70k >.< even better 02:20 wizzyrea_ Woot! 02:20 wizzyrea_ I spent a good chunk of time this afternoon retooling reports to use parameters 02:20 wizzyrea_ we had/have a simply ludicrous list of saved reports 02:22 wizzyrea_ mostly because if people wanted to run a report with their branch code, they'd copy/paste the sql into a new report, save it, then not delete their copy 02:22 wizzyrea_ oieeee 02:22 wizzyrea_ anybody have a computer game they're totally loving right now? 02:23 rangi havent played a game in months 02:23 wizzyrea_ (besides rift or wow) 02:24 jcamins_away The closest I get is messing with Koha's XSLT stylesheets. 02:25 wizzyrea_ hmm. That might be kind of a sadistic game 02:25 space_librarian_home civ 4... oldie but a goodie. 02:25 * chilts_ wishes XML and XSLT had never been invented :) 02:26 wizzyrea_ oo yea civ is always good. 02:26 wizzyrea_ i'm contemplating starcraft 02:26 wizzyrea_ 2 02:26 space_librarian_home that's like... crack cocaine. 02:26 wizzyrea_ haha 02:27 wizzyrea_ well I used to play wow, so there you go :P 02:27 wizzyrea_ it's like comig off of heroin 02:27 space_librarian_home I don't have enough hours in the day for SC2 02:27 rangi chilts: ask papa about xslt :) 02:27 space_librarian_home And I was lucky, WoW never really caught me. Ice Wind Dale and Oblivion did... 02:27 space_librarian_home hehehe 02:27 wizzyrea_ hehe 02:28 wizzyrea_ i played wow a lot for a couple of years 02:28 papa and XML for that matter 02:28 wizzyrea_ then had a kid and played a lot lot lot less... took breaks for months 02:28 wizzyrea_ finished one char to 85 and this last expansion is boooooring 02:29 wizzyrea_ all I have to do is cook and fish, and if you're gonna do that you might as well not play :P 02:29 rangi motorola you dicks 02:29 space_librarian_home so I've heard. I always through Warcraft 2 was better than 3... so I didn't bother with the world at all. 02:29 rangi the upgrade for the milestone .. i have to do from a stupid windows machine 02:29 rangi who even has those things 02:29 rangi anymore 02:29 space_librarian_home And I love Rangi and Papa's conversation interweaving ours... 02:30 wizzyrea_ YES! Same here with my captivate! 02:30 wizzyrea_ I'm so annoyed! 02:30 space_librarian_home Want me to bring my windox box in for you, Rangi? 02:30 * wizzyrea_ wonders if you can do it in wine :P 02:30 space_librarian_home good question 02:31 chilts rangi: why, what does he say about it? I've used it in the paste, just don't wanna use it much again (ever) 02:31 rangi prolly end up bricking my phone 02:31 chilts s/paste/past/ 02:31 rangi koha makes use of xslt, to render marcxml 02:31 chilts ah, papa is in this channel :) hello papa, long time no squeak :) 02:32 papa heh, what brings you here? 02:32 * chilts has lurked for a long time 02:32 papa tells a lot how busy you are :) 02:33 chilts heh 02:42 rangi http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=60edb5f9c62439c93408527b2143c113b03af1ed;hp=ed5d8ccdfa9e9e89eee783be48f96ce7db71f6e8 02:42 rangi that doesnt look right to me 02:43 rangi or i might just need a nap 02:45 jcamins_away That's kind of weird. 02:45 mtj core subs() assume correct data 02:46 rangi hmm not so much that mtj 02:46 rangi more why replace spaces with 02:46 chilts rangi: I guess it's just changing the spaces into SQL wildcards 02:46 rangi % 02:46 rangi yeah 02:46 chilts it's a bit strange though 02:46 jcamins_away mtj: but why would you want to put a wildcard in between every word? 02:46 rangi you'd think you'd get really shitty results 02:46 chilts usually they'd only make sense at the start and end 02:46 rangi yeah 02:46 chilts (of the string) 02:46 rangi push @query_params, "%$title%"; 02:46 chilts indeed :) 02:46 mtj ah, % != & 02:47 rangi i think ill skip that one 02:47 chilts maybe there was a query where he wanted to match in the middle of two words or something weird 02:47 rangi yeah, its not something id push, so ill skip rebasing it for now and talk to the biblibre ppl when they are awake 02:48 jcamins_away If the goal is to match all whitespace, the data should be cleaned on import. 02:48 jcamins_away IMHO. 02:48 mtj looks norty to me too 02:55 jcamins_away Good night (again), #koha. 02:56 rangi cya jcamins_away 03:15 space_librarian_home namaste kmale 03:15 kmkale Namaskar #koha 03:16 kmkale Namaste space_librarian 03:16 space_librarian_home kmkale :) 03:16 space_librarian_home An exciting game of cricket tonight? 03:16 kmkale yes. 03:17 kmkale and the next too 03:17 space_librarian_home well... not sure about the next one. 03:17 kmkale either india pak or aus pak will be exiting 03:17 kmkale hi druthb :) 03:17 space_librarian_home but looking foreward to tonight... 03:17 BoysTown Hello. I've been advised to seek some advice as to how to change my current git install from 3.03.18 to 3.02.06. I have a kohaclone directory and have run git fetch --tags followed by git reset --hard v3.02.06. The console tells me I'm now on version 3.02.06 - is that all there is to it? 03:17 space_librarian_home I think India Pak would be a *very* interesting game. 03:18 druthb hi, kmkale! :) 03:18 kmkale i am not at all sure that would happen 03:18 * space_librarian_home agrees 03:18 space_librarian_home but I still give India more of a chance than Aus. 03:19 kmkale current form of our boys and the bowling :( 03:19 space_librarian_home really? Have you seen Pakistan before last night? 03:19 kmkale yes. the way the played australia? 03:19 space_librarian_home If they could do that, I'm sure your guys will put on something special 03:20 space_librarian_home yeah, they way they played in Aus... 03:21 rangi BoysTown: its not really safe to do that 03:22 rangi 3.3.x is master, 3.2.x is on its own branch, they have different database schemas 03:22 rangi (not hugely different, but different) 03:24 mtj BoysTown: your code-base has been rewinded, thats good 03:24 BoysTown hi rangi, thanks for the reply - is the answer to start from scratch? 03:24 mtj but your database has been updated to the unstable branch 03:25 AmitG hi all 03:25 mtj and cant easly be un-upgraded 03:25 AmitG heya mtj 03:25 AmitG heya chris 03:26 mtj BoysTown: load a 3.2 db backup, and then upgrade to 3.2.5 03:26 kmkale hi rangi 03:26 kmkale hi AmitG 03:26 kmkale hi mtj 03:27 mtj heya folks 03:27 AmitG heya kmkale: today india vs Aus 03:27 rangi so while your code is now running 3.2.6 your db is at 3.3.0-18 03:27 rangi mtj: thats assuming he has a 3.2 backup 03:27 rangi BoysTown: is this a production install? 03:27 rangi or one you are just testing with? 03:27 * rangi hopes the later 03:27 rangi latter even 03:27 kmkale AmitG: yup 03:28 rangi if its just a test one, and you dont care about the data, i would drop the db, recreate it, and then the webinsstaller will kick in 03:28 rangi and once you step through that, you will be running 3.2.6 03:28 BoysTown hi rangi it is a new install - we were trying to do it quickly so used a virtual appliance - the advice we since received suggests that we should only use the stable version 03:29 rangi well for production yes, i recommend people use the stable version 03:29 BoysTown ok rangi that sounds like good advice - the db is unpopulated 03:29 rangi right, drop the db, and recreate it 03:29 mtj indeed, the unstable branch is… sometimes unstable :) 03:29 BoysTown brilliant - i appreciate your advice 03:30 rangi no worries 03:30 mtj BoysTown: drop and recreate db 03:30 rangi hmm do i or mtj lag? 03:31 BoysTown ok will do thanks mjt and rangi 03:31 mtj … with your code-base set to tag 'v3.02.06' 03:31 BoysTown i saw rangi's advice then mtj's in that order - both helpful thanks 03:32 BoysTown as far as i know the codebase is set to tag 3.02.03 but i'm a novice with git 03:32 mtj then Koha with create a blank 3.2.6 db for you :) 03:32 rangi 06 or 03? 03:32 wahanui 7 03:32 rangi heh 03:32 rangi thanks wahanui 03:32 BoysTown beaut thanks 03:32 rangi BoysTown: type git log 03:33 mtj bump it to 5 or 6 03:33 rangi whats the latest commit 03:35 BoysTown says updating version number to 3.02.06.000 plus a bunch of commit strings 03:35 mtj cool, thats good :) 03:36 BoysTown ok thanks - I'll snapshot it and drop the db 03:44 kmkale can someone please tell me what the -f and -t values for /build_browser_and_cloud.pl for MARC21 are ? 03:46 rangi if you run it with -h 03:46 rangi it will tell you 03:47 kmkale did it shows 676 and 606 in the example like /build_browser_and_cloud.pl -b -f 676a -t 606 -c 03:47 rangi yes did you run it with -h 03:48 pastebot0 "rangi" at 202.78.240.7 pasted "./misc/cronjobs/build_browser_" (12 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/177 03:48 kmkale yes 03:48 rangi well it tells you 03:48 rangi -b to run in batch mode, without any output 03:48 rangi -f TTTs to define the MARC tag/subfield to use for building nav (676a in UNIMARC for d etc 03:49 kmkale just correct me if I am wring. for marc21 -f 082a and -t 654 03:49 kmkale s/wring/wrong 03:49 rangi are u running unimarc? 03:50 kmkale no marc21 03:51 rangi im not sure this works with marc21 03:52 kmkale ahh. 03:52 kmkale would be cool if it did. :) 03:52 rangi i could be wrong though 03:53 rangi lemme check the sysprefs 03:54 rangi does it create any useful stuff when you run it with 082a and 654 ? 03:58 * rangi heads for home 03:59 * sekjal heads for bed 03:59 kmkale_ aww sorry my net dropped off mid conversation 05:12 sijobl 0/join 06:48 AmitG hi 06:48 AmitG indradg 06:48 bg hi AmitG 06:49 * bg = brendan :) 06:49 indradg hey AmitG :) 06:49 bg AmitG - congrats!!! on the wedding 06:50 AmitG thanx 06:50 AmitG brendan 06:56 cait morning #koha 06:57 bg morning cait 06:59 AmitG heya cait 07:04 cait hi bg and AmitG 07:07 rangi heya cait AmitG and bg 07:07 bg heya rangi :) 07:08 cait hi rangi 07:12 cait bbl 07:27 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5919: Display MARC21 fields 583, 586, 530 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1deadb34c324df9b307c0cb35284e6949dd8dcaa> / Bug 3098 follow-up: Clean up formatting <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=009036b53722881f607ed01b5701bd300abd6735> 07:30 jenkins_koha Starting build 76 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 07:41 rangi wanna see something cool 07:41 rangi http://git.koha-community.org/stats/koha-master/authors.html#author_of_month 07:41 rangi 30 different people have committed code to koha this month 08:09 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #76: SUCCESS in 39 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/76/ 08:09 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 3098 follow-up: Clean up formatting 08:09 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 5919: Display MARC21 fields 583, 586, 530 08:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3098 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, REOPENED, XSLT stylesheet does not obey OPACURLOpenInNewWindow syspref 08:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5919 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED, MARC21 fields 583 and 586 should display in OPAC Details 08:15 francharb hi all 08:17 magnuse hiya francharb 08:17 kmkale hiya magnuse 08:19 kf hi #koha 08:20 kmkale hi kf :) 08:20 kmkale magnuse: got a min? 08:20 magnuse kmkale: yup! 08:29 magnuse @wunder bodo, norway 08:29 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -5.0�C (9:20 AM CET on March 24, 2011). Conditions: Heavy Snow Showers. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: -7.0�C. Windchill: -16.0�C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Steady). 08:30 magnuse @wunder marseille 08:30 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 12.0�C (9:00 AM CET on March 24, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Pressure: 30.51 in 1033 hPa (Steady). 08:30 magnuse hm... 08:37 kmkale hi paul_p 08:37 paul_p hi kmkale 09:06 kf_mtg paul_p: flights to marseille booked :) 09:07 paul_p kf_mtg, wondeful ! 09:11 veera hi 09:11 wahanui what's up, veera 09:11 veera how are you 09:11 veera wahanui 09:11 wahanui veera? 09:11 veera how can I add new syntax 09:11 veera which is not there in the list 09:12 veera z39 serach syntax 09:12 veera I trying to add british library syntax 09:12 veera but the existing syntax is not showing the British librayr one 09:13 veera wahanui 09:13 wahanui veera? 09:13 veera ya 09:13 kmkale veera: wahanui is a bot 09:13 wahanui i already had it that way, kmkale. 09:13 veera will u able to help me 09:13 veera how 09:14 veera kmkale will u able to help me 09:14 kmkale no veera never tried that 09:15 veera whaanui 09:15 veera r u there 09:15 jenkins_koha Starting build 77 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 09:15 kmkale veera: its a irc bot. not a person 09:15 veera ok ok 09:16 veera is any one can help me 09:16 veera ? 09:17 kf veera: you can add new z39.50 clients via administration > z39.50 targets 09:18 veera ya 09:18 veera but the syntax is not listed admin 09:18 veera I need to add syntax 09:18 kf what do you mean by syntax? 09:19 veera when I add new source there is one option 09:19 veera like USMARC like that 09:19 veera in tthat dropdown list 09:19 veera I need to add a new syntax 09:20 veera kf 09:20 veera can you help me 09:20 kf sorry, veera, I don't understand 09:20 veera can I explain my need? 09:20 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5944 : (MT #3000) new cronjob script to delete old suggestions <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f7190f48aad671485bcf8a535bf7e48f493d8c22> / Merge remote branch 'kc/new/enh/bug_5880' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=079b546a61fbe8db3bcbcab4a2b4de0bbf12838d> / Bug 5880: Correct misleading pod in new subroutine <http://git.koha-community.org/gitw 09:21 kf sorry veera, I have a meeting now 09:21 veera ok 09:21 kf you can also try to describe your problem on the mailing list 09:21 kf the more details the better 09:21 veera ok 09:22 veera hi higinn 09:22 veera huggin 09:22 veera ? 09:22 veera R u there 09:22 kf huginn is a bot too veera, not a person 09:22 huginn kf: I suck 09:22 kf like wahanui 09:22 kf @wunder Konstanz 09:22 huginn kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 10.0�C (10:00 AM CET on March 24, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Pressure: 30.56 in 1035 hPa (Rising). 09:23 kf wahanui botsnack cookie 09:23 wahanui :) 09:43 AmitG heya kf 09:46 pastebot0 "magnuse" at 95.34.212.148 pasted "i get lots of errors when i try to install a new translation - any translation wizards have an idea why?" (26 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/181 09:54 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #77: SUCCESS in 39 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/77/ 09:54 jenkins_koha * Colin Campbell: Bug 5880: Correct misleading pod in new subroutine 09:54 jenkins_koha * Henri-Damien LAURENT: Bug 5944 : (MT #3000) new cronjob script to delete old suggestions 09:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5880 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, C4/Koha.pm : adding two functions GetAutorisedValueByCode and GetKohaImageurlFromAuthorisedValues 09:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5944 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, henridamien, NEW, Acquisitions: new cronjob script to delete old suggestions 10:18 magnuse kmkale: what's the state of Bug 5401? is it oleonard's patch that is the one that needs sign off? 10:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5401 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, kmkale, ASSIGNED, WYSWYG for Koha News 10:18 druthb o/ 10:19 Gana hi all 10:20 magnuse \o 10:21 Gana can i delete my imported marc files in koha? 10:21 Gana can i delete my imported marc records in koha? 10:22 Gana i wanna to use empty catalog information start on koha ? 10:22 magnuse Gana: did you import them with the "Stage marc records" tool? 10:23 Gana yes 10:24 magnuse Gana: then you can "undo your import by clicking the 'Undo import into catalog' button", according to http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-2-manual/?ch=x6009 10:26 Gana thanks. 10:28 Gana magnuse ! do you know about how can we import Alice patrons to Koha ? 10:29 magnuse Gana: sorry, i have no experience with Alice, but there is a general description of how to import patrons here: http://koha-community.org/documentation/3-2-manual/?ch=x6141 10:30 Gana okay 10:32 Gana magnuse: Undo import into catalog is very slow working on my server. can i use any commands for mysql database of koha. 10:35 magnuse Gana: you will find some tips here, i think: http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/How-to-delete-all-the-records-at-once-td3061199.html 10:39 Gana i see. 10:49 magnuse kia ora sekjal! 11:08 kmkale magnuse: sorry got stuck in a meeting 11:11 kmkale for that bug if either of the patches gets pushed, it will be a good addition imho.. 11:12 magnuse ok, thanks 11:52 kf hi francharb 11:52 kf question: what can I do when a library deleted an on order item and record? 11:53 kf I have an empty line now on my receive screen for that title and in the order it's missing completely 11:53 kf someone a good idea about this? 12:02 jwagner kf, I take it that's another place where Koha doesn't check for links before allowing deletion? 12:03 kf jwagner: hm no 12:04 kf jwagner: it's a data problem really. deleting it is ok. but the order should keep the information. 12:04 jwagner That would be the only effective fix. Otherwise warning staff to check for links is about it, I think 12:04 kf you will always delete things - the acquisition should not loose the title. perhaps look for the title in deleted... if it does not find something in the normal tables 12:05 kf but what would staff do in this case? they don't want to delete fromt he order 12:06 jwagner Hmm. Copy at least the title into a field in the acq order table? 12:11 kf jwagner: not very clean 12:11 kf funny thing is 12:11 kf a lot of things look really good, like the basket 12:11 kf it shows a note that the title was deleted - which is nice 12:11 kf not perfect, but nice 12:11 kf :) 12:12 kf and receive shipment shows still the title 12:12 kf not sure how, but it does 12:12 jwagner magic :-) 12:12 kf when you click on the date there to get a list what was received on that date - that's empty 12:12 kf kind of :) or it checks the right tables, becasue thte information is still in the database 12:14 JesseM gmorning #Koha 12:18 kf hi JesseM 12:18 JesseM hi! kf 12:20 kf :) 12:54 schuster installed php on my play laptop and broke my koha install rrr.... back to the setup there! oh well learning curve again! 13:17 magnus_away a swedish library is testing public news items for the OPAC. In MS IE they don't show up, unless they change that language to english and then back to swedish. anyone seen something similar? 13:17 magnus_away s/that language/the language/ 13:19 kf yep 13:19 kf same here 13:19 kf I have no idea why 13:21 magnuse a ha, so it's not just us then ;-) 13:21 magnuse is there a bug for it? 14:00 gmcharlt magnuse: bug and patch coming in a sec 14:02 magnuse gmcharlt: wow?!? 14:03 magnuse :-) 14:16 pastebot "gmcharlt" at 68.101.78.67 pasted "hack for the OPAC news problem" (9 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/182 14:16 gmcharlt magnuse: could you try out that diff ^^ ? 14:18 magnuse will do! 14:21 gmcharlt also, are there sub-locales of Swedish that are in common use, or is it all sw-SW (or whatever the code actually is) 14:23 magnuse gmcharlt: Firefox lists sv-se and sv-fi (presumably the swedish spoken in finland) 14:23 gmcharlt magnuse: though so 14:24 gmcharlt one of the underlying issues is that FF and IE report the browser language slightly differently 14:26 magnuse gmcharlt: i applied your change, set FF to prefer sv-se and now i don't see the news at all, no matter how many times i change between the languages... see for yourself here: http://munkagard.bibkat.no/ 14:27 gmcharlt magnuse: ah, I was afraid of that 14:27 gmcharlt as a workaround, what you can do in the database is add duplicate entries in opac_news 14:27 magnuse removed the change to opac/opac-main.pl and now the news displays again, when i choose swedish 14:28 gmcharlt i.e., three copies of each news item 14:28 magnuse 3? 14:28 gmcharlt setting lang to 'sv', 'sv-se', and 'sv-fi' respectively 14:28 magnuse ah 14:29 magnuse sv-fi is not really an issue here i think 14:30 magnuse the news tool only lets me choose en, sv-se though... 14:35 wizzyrea @later tell kf I have a question for you re: 3M when you have a minute 14:35 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. 14:42 gmcharlt magnuse: yep, hence why the work-around may have to be done in the DB 14:42 gmcharlt to add 'sv' entries that are copies of the 'sv-se' entries 14:44 magnuse gmcharlt: i think one part of the problem is related to sv versus sv-se. if you have your browser set to prefer sv-se it works, bot not if you have it set to just sv. another part of the problem is related to Bug 2562 (if we could set sv-se as the default is would work for browsers that have just sv) 14:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2562 normal, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, SYSPREFS: 'languages' and 'opaclanguages' sysprefs *dont* set default languages 14:45 kf wizzyrea: I am here now :) 14:48 magnuse gmcharlt: your quick fix had $news_lang =~ s/-.*$//; doesn't that turn sv-se into just se, which will not be found in the db? maybe it would work if we searched the db for 'sv%' as well? 14:48 wizzyrea kf: do you use special handling slips with your 3M self checks? 14:48 gmcharlt magnuse: it turns 'sv-se' into 'sv', but yes, that wouldn't be found in the database 14:48 kf wizzyrea: I think not 14:49 wizzyrea k good, I was hoping we were not reinventing the wheel by asking support for them to be added :) 14:49 gmcharlt changing it to search on 'sv%' would solve the immediate problem for you, but would still be a bit of a hack 14:49 kf all we have is checkout and checkin slips 14:49 kf wizzyrea: we still have the holds problem 14:50 wizzyrea which holds problem? 14:50 gmcharlt one thing I'm curious about is if there are cases where a Koha catalog that has both 'xx-AA' and 'xx-BB' installed 14:50 * wizzyrea has so many "holds problems" that she can't keep them straight 14:50 wizzyrea :) 14:50 kf reserved books checked in - status is not waiting 14:50 wizzyrea OH yes 14:50 wizzyrea what version are you on? 14:50 gmcharlt would mostly prefer to enter news as 'xx' that applies to both 14:50 kf people can get it from returns cart and checkout again 14:50 kf 3.2.2 14:50 wizzyrea we have a ticket in for that I think 14:50 gmcharlt or if they'd expect it to not default that way 14:51 wizzyrea and we're willing to put money towards it 14:51 wizzyrea it's still a problem in 3.3 14:51 wizzyrea sec, i'm gonna pm you something 14:51 magnuse gmcharlt: yeah, guess sv% would be a hack. looks to me like being able to set a default language for the opac could be a better solution 14:51 gmcharlt probably the rule should be something like (1) show news that is tagged with the specifically localization (2) also show news that is tagged with the general language and (3) enhance the OPAC news tool slightly so that you can specify either a general or specific localization 14:52 gmcharlt setting a default OPAC language would also be useful, but wouldn't be sufficient 14:53 magnuse gmcharlt: that would work too, i guess 14:57 magnuse yeah, the main point is that browsers set to sv and sv-se should all see the same news. 15:00 magnuse but on a related note, browsers set to nb-no should not see the opac as nb-no when that is not even activated for that opac, as described in bug 2562 - they should see some default language set by the library, i think... 15:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2562 normal, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, SYSPREFS: 'languages' and 'opaclanguages' sysprefs *dont* set default languages 15:00 magnuse oh well, gotta run! 15:01 druthb fun_with_css-- 15:01 wizzyrea O.O 15:02 druthb http://l1.load.bywatersolutions.com 15:02 wizzyrea I like those colors though 15:02 druthb It has a certain gravitas that I like, and I think it'll be nice for a medical research library. 15:03 * wizzyrea just had a radical thought... brb 15:03 druthb The shadings and such on hitlist and detail pages are a little dark for my taste, but They Are The The Ones Paying... 15:04 wizzyrea mmm yea if it's only 2 shades lighter than the text behind it... 15:04 druthb When they see it, they may wanna lighten up a couple of notches. 15:05 wizzyrea I er, never liked it that relevant text was grey on white 15:14 rhcl ah, and educated poster! I'm quite fond of saying a popular US political figure lacks gravitas and has questionable veritas for president 15:21 druthb gravitas, like hard liquor, is best in small quantities. Too much of it can wipe you out at an early age. 17:57 rangi morning 17:57 druthb hi, rangi. 17:58 magnuse ata marie, rangi 18:44 cait hi #koha 18:46 magnuse guten abend cait 18:47 cait hi magnus 18:47 magnuse someone told me Foxton was the very first library to actually use koha, can anyone confirm that? 18:48 rangi no 18:48 rangi who told you that? 18:48 rangi levin was 18:48 rangi foxton is of course part of HTL 18:48 rangi HLT even 18:48 rangi so would have been about the same time 18:48 wizzyrea oh that's interesting 18:48 wizzyrea when using parameters 18:49 wizzyrea you can't page through the results of a saved report 18:49 rangi but the first returns in the live system where done at levin 18:50 magnuse ok thanks rangi, i don't remember where i heard it... just want to get my details right when i'm pitching koha tomorrow morning 18:50 rangi first issue was too 18:50 rangi just say HLT 18:50 wizzyrea SELECT items.itype,items.dateaccessioned,items.itemcallnumber,items.barcode,biblio.title,biblio.copyrightdate FROM items LEFT JOIN biblioitems on (items.biblioitemnumber=biblioitems.biblioitemnumber) LEFT JOIN biblio on (biblioitems.biblionumber=biblio.biblionumber) WHERE items.itype=<<Item type to find|itemtypes>> and items.homebranch=<<Enter Branch|branches>> ORDER BY items.dateaccessioned asc 18:50 rangi :) 18:51 wizzyrea can anyone get that to page the results correctly? 18:51 rangi its one library system, foxton is a branch, levin is a branch 18:51 rangi shannon and tokomaru are the other 2 18:51 rangi but the first book to be issued in the live koha was at the levin branch 18:51 rangi it was done by Leonard 18:51 * rangi is looking at the statistics table now 18:51 mtj morning all 18:51 wizzyrea hehe 18:51 wizzyrea hey mtf 18:51 magnuse hehe, and what time was it? 18:52 wizzyrea mtj* 18:52 magnuse kia ora mtj! 18:52 rangi 9:10:10 18:52 cait wizzyrea: there is also a bug with group by killing the paging 18:52 wizzyrea hmm 18:53 mtj wizzyrea: mtf? wtf! :) 18:53 cait bug 3315 18:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3315 major, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Aggregate SQL clauses break pagination in guided reports 18:54 rangi theres no group by in that sql tho cait? 18:54 magnuse thanks rangi! ;-) (i was thinking of maybe sneaking this in: http://www.flickr.com/photos/enger/5205479118/ and it would have been perfect if foxton was *the* first... but i'll make it fit somehow) 18:54 rangi magnuse: cant tell you the book, its been deleted 18:55 rangi :) 18:55 magnuse rangi: oh no, that's too bad! ;-) 18:55 rangi it was probably the 2nd 18:55 wizzyrea no, what it does is when you click next page 18:55 rangi its the 2nd biggest of the branches 18:55 wizzyrea it wants to run the report again 18:55 rangi magnuse: 4459026 issues 18:56 rangi 5120503 returns 18:56 rangi 367517 renewals 18:56 rangi as of right now :) 18:56 cait rangi: you are right 18:57 cait but perhaps there are more things breaking it? 18:57 * rangi is the king of useless stats 18:57 rangi wizzyrea: i think it always runs the report again 18:57 rangi with a different limit clause, i dont think it loads the whole report into js and pages over it that way 18:58 rangi that would kill most browsers 18:58 wizzyrea true 18:58 magnuse useless_stats++ 18:58 wizzyrea but in this case, it doesn't bring back the 2nd page 18:58 wizzyrea it puts you back at the 1st page 18:58 wizzyrea http://screencast.com/t/VFM4Cx0VtHpU 18:58 rangi right, so the limit is not right 18:58 * rangi has to catch bus will look when im at my desk 18:59 wizzyrea thx... I"m going to go ahead and file a bug 19:02 * magnuse tries not to think about why HLT has 661477 more returns than issues... 19:03 rangi just made it 19:03 wizzyrea no need to file a bug: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5793 19:03 huginn 04Bug 5793: normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, parameters in guided reports are lost when changing result page 19:03 wizzyrea not the description I would have used, but eh 19:03 rangi bus coming round corner as I walked out the door 19:03 wizzyrea at least the dupe finder found it 19:03 rangi magnuse: transfers 19:03 wizzyrea I love the dupe finder 19:04 magnuse dupe_finder++ 19:04 rangi you end a transfer by doing a return 19:04 wizzyrea dupe_finder++ 19:04 rangi thus more returns 19:04 magnuse rangi: ah thanks, i'll sleep easy tonight now... ;-) 19:12 * wizzyrea idly wonders if a return that does nothing but a transfer should be classified as such 19:13 wizzyrea but sometimes it does both, so would it mark it'self twice, once for return, and once for transfer? 19:13 cait would be nice for statistics 19:13 cait hm. right 19:13 wizzyrea itself with no ' of course 19:13 wizzyrea stupid fingers. 19:20 rangi they could also be just returns for the sake of it 19:20 rangi often when librarians clean up 19:20 rangi they run all the books left lying through returns 19:20 rangi catches holds etc 19:22 rangi if theres a mad scheme 19:22 rangi a library somewhere will be doing it 19:22 rangi except madder 19:22 rangi I may get that on my tombstone 19:29 magnuse hehe 19:29 cait world would be boring without mad schemes :) 19:30 magnuse does a return on a not-for-loan item make it into the stats then? 19:30 wizzyrea mhm 19:31 wizzyrea well 19:31 wizzyrea there's a difference between a return that does something 19:31 wizzyrea and a return that doesn't 19:31 wizzyrea if it says "not checked out" 19:31 wizzyrea does it count that as a return? 19:31 wizzyrea this is really complicated, lol 19:33 magnuse it is! 19:33 magnuse and of course anything to do with libraries will be far removed from things like reason and common sense ;-) 19:33 wizzyrea hehehe 19:35 wizzyrea a return should probably note itself with a double field: return - transit, return - not checked out, return - checkin only 19:36 wizzyrea that's stupid. Just don't bother with return stats :P 19:36 wizzyrea there, problem solved 19:36 wizzyrea ^.^ 19:36 magnuse yay! 19:36 rangi yeah, do people actually bother with return stats? 19:37 wizzyrea well I know we did, before we realized it was counting every time they scanned something 19:37 wizzyrea but I think we only count issues now 19:38 rangi i just like to see them to know how busy the system is 19:38 rangi but it isnt really useful for much else 19:39 rangi (its not everytime the scan someting btw, its everytime they go to check in and check something in :)) 19:39 rangi at least thats what the statiscts table counts 19:39 wizzyrea so it doesn't count a return if it says "not checked out?" 19:39 rangi it didnt used to 19:40 wizzyrea (that's what I mean by "every time they scan an item") cool, that's really good to know. 19:40 rangi it may well do now 19:40 rangi because there was a bug when it wasnt checking for holds if it wasnt out 19:40 rangi in fixing that, it might now count the return 19:40 rangi 2 secs ill find out for you 19:41 magnuse nope, not even the crazy stats collected from norwegian libraries count returns, only issues 19:41 rangi yeah i cant imagine it would be a useful stat from a librarians point of view 19:41 rangi but like i say .. mad .. except madder :-) 19:41 magnuse :~) 19:42 magnuse ooh, "make test" is taking like forever now... 19:42 rangi good : 19:42 rangi ) 19:43 rangi wizzyrea: nope it will updatestats if its not on loan 19:43 rangi wizzyrea: it would be a really really easy patch 19:43 wizzyrea that's also a good thing to know 19:44 rangi look at C4/Circulation.pm line 1583 19:44 rangi then at line 1473 19:45 rangi see how we set the $doreturn=0; 19:45 rangi if we did an updatestats call in that if, and set it to returnednotout 19:46 rangi then did 19:46 rangi if ($doreturn) { 19:46 rangi updatestats 'return' 19:46 rangi down at the bottom of that sub 19:46 rangi we would only log stats for those returned, and we would get stats for those returned that werent out 19:47 rangi now, if you feel so moved, its over to you :) 19:47 wizzyrea :) I might feel moved. I strongly feel it should not count returns that say "not checked out" 19:50 rangi yep, while you are in that sub you can see if there are other things it should count separately (or as well) too 19:51 magnuse go wizzyrea go! 19:52 wizzyrea separately, have any of you looked at the gnome3 beta? 19:52 wizzyrea http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Makeuseof/~3/WI0UySeZRxg/ 19:55 rangi not me 19:55 wizzyrea I didn't expect that you would have :) 19:55 rangi :) 19:55 * wizzyrea is a pleb... I like my puter to be purty. 19:56 wizzyrea another aside: i love the word pleb. 19:56 rangi i like mine to be fast 19:56 wizzyrea purty + fast enough is fine by me 19:58 rangi ull change .... they all do 19:58 rangi :) 19:58 rangi building packages will make you want a faster machine 19:58 wizzyrea :) 19:59 magnuse rangi: is there a distro you can recommend? 19:59 rangi for a desktop? server? netbook? 20:01 mtj gnome3 looks nicer, thats good - i just hope its not slow/bloaty 20:02 magnuse rangi: i was thinking desktop or laptop 20:02 * ibeardslee has been playing with Ubuntu Natty .. not sure that I like that unity interface 20:02 rangi debian squeeze or sid 20:02 rangi and xmonad (or bluetile) as a window manager 20:02 magnuse ah, might have thought as much... ;-) 20:03 * ibeardslee would suggest ubuntu 20:03 wizzyrea i have ubuntu 10 on my macbook: it runs quite well now that I've worked through the initial annoyances 20:03 wizzyrea I hardly even notice that it's linux... which is a first: usually I"m keenly aware 20:03 rangi the reason i say debian, is all the koha dependencies are packaged, and under debian security team watch 20:04 rangi whereas in ubuntu, they are out in the unsupported universe (or a lot of them are) 20:05 rangi which is ok, as long as you remember to keep an eye on the debian security list yourself 20:05 ibeardslee and that'd be a very good reason to run debian on the server 20:06 ibeardslee and it makes some sense to to run the same thing on the workstation 20:06 rangi yup, and i try to run the same so i can test on my desktop, but if you run your test/dev machine as a vm then yeah ubuntu would be fine 20:06 rangi but yeah, a .deb based distro of some sort :-) 20:06 rangi having said that 20:06 rangi i run meego on my netbook 20:06 rangi and like it a lot 20:07 rangi but its just a webbrowser and an xterm anyway ;) 20:07 * ibeardslee has ubuntu on his netbook 20:07 rangi i used to 20:07 rangi but yeah, i didnt like unity either :) 20:07 rangi ubuntu netbook remix 20:07 rangi thats what i was running 20:09 ibeardslee same 20:10 rangi http://www.halfarsedagilemanifesto.org/ 20:10 ibeardslee I do wonder if the not liking unity is just getting old and not liking change 20:10 rangi could be 20:10 rangi its probably why i like xmonad 20:11 wizzyrea I like it >.> 20:13 rangi LBA: gotta watch out for the bcc's thats why reply all to beatrice didnt work, she had bcced the list 20:14 rangi (which is a really odd thing to do) 20:14 rangi But 20:14 rangi http://twitter.com/ranginui/status/51008167383019520 20:14 wizzyrea I have a feeling you'll be pulling that tweet out a lot lol 20:14 magnuse re-tweeted! 20:14 rangi i will :) 20:16 magnuse huh, my newest dev install has some weirdness, e.g. no images for item types... would that be an error during the make/make install phase? 20:16 rangi seems unlikely, do the images exist? 20:16 mtj "friends don't let librarians spec bib formats" 20:17 mtj thats my one... 20:18 mtj i wonder who did create the MARC format? 20:18 rangi @quote get 121 20:18 huginn rangi: Quote #121: "mtj> friends don't let librarians spec bib formats" (added by chris at 08:18 PM, March 24, 2011) 20:19 mtj http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henriette_Avram 20:19 wizzyrea hi jo :) 20:19 cait hi jo :) 20:19 rangi heya jransom 20:19 wahanui somebody said jransom was so pleased! 20:20 magnuse kia ora jransom! 20:21 jransom hi everyone 20:21 mtj aaaw, i take that back - Henriette sounds like a nice lady 20:26 magnuse ok, that problem with the images was indicative of some shortcoming in my normarc work - it still has a ways to go... 20:29 jransom ranginui: can you text si and tell him I am on irc now please (no cellphone today) 20:29 rangi hmm i hope i have his new number 20:30 rangi sijobl: jransom is on irc now! :) 20:30 jransom I thight be logged in but not here really 20:30 jransom i have his new number 20:31 rangi message it to me cos i dont :) 20:31 jransom nope - i don't. its in my phone .... 20:31 jransom i'll phone him at home 20:48 cait rangi++ 20:49 rangi ? 20:49 cait acq branch this time :) 20:49 cait but there are a lot of reasons of course 20:49 rangi ah right 20:51 * cait is making a lit of things she wants to do before april 1st 20:52 cait s/lit/list 20:52 rangi excellent :) 20:53 cait yeah, only that the list is too long :) 20:54 cait we can sign-off on things after april 1st, right? but everything has to be submitted until then? 20:57 rangi thats right 20:57 rangi you have until the 8th to sign stuff off 20:57 rangi (new features stuff) 20:58 rangi but no more new features submitted after the 1st 20:58 cait ok 21:05 cait wizzyrea: still around? 21:06 wizzyrea yesm 21:06 cait what do you think about showing the codes in the cataoging screen? 21:06 wizzyrea which codes (sorry to be dense) 21:06 cait talking about the pull downs in the items thing 21:06 cait no, my fault 21:07 cait I had a librarian complain about it 21:07 cait I think ti shows the codes for some of the authorized values now before the descripption in the pull down list 21:07 wizzyrea you mean the thing where it shows the first authorized value? yes 21:07 wizzyrea it's annoying 21:07 cait ok 21:07 wizzyrea it should be empty unless it's set to something 21:07 cait so you don't like it 21:07 cait ? 21:07 cait hm, no, talking about smething different 21:07 rangi you are talking abour different things 21:08 cait yep 21:08 wizzyrea oh 21:08 rangi yeah what she said ;) 21:08 cait sorry, was looking at some mails from my libraries, figuring out what I can do for them :) 21:08 cait it shows the authorized value codes now in the add items scree 21:08 cait n 21:08 * wizzyrea is confused >.< (no surprise though) 21:08 wizzyrea right 21:08 cait and the question I had was if you like it :) 21:08 rangi the code and the description right cait? 21:08 cait yes 21:09 cait because my library didn't 21:09 cait and it's not showing for all fields 21:09 cait and I have no koha I can access on this laptop #fail 21:09 * wizzyrea is looking at add items 21:09 wizzyrea un mo 21:12 * druthb would install a couple of Koha servers for you on your lappy, cait, but you'll have to bring it here to me. 21:12 * druthb tempts you with monuments, good food, and all the Kohas on your lappy that it'll handle. 21:13 wizzyrea I don't know if this is just the way our authorized values are set up or I'm just dense (more likely) I don't see what you're referring to cait... sorry 21:14 rangi cait: visit in june, then we can hang out too 21:14 rangi :) 21:14 wizzyrea http://screencast.com/t/lmGT4xcDMzK is what I'm looking at 21:14 cait druthb: it is tempting... :) 21:14 wizzyrea is that not the right place? 21:15 cait rangi: that's not fair! :) 21:15 cait below 21:15 cait the pull downs 21:15 wizzyrea so this http://screencast.com/t/vcDT1pNl8 21:15 cait wizzyrea: you are great :) 21:16 cait wizzyrea++ 21:16 cait does it show codes for you for collection, shelving location or itemtype? 21:16 wizzyrea oh, codes vs description? 21:16 wizzyrea now I get it I think >.< 21:16 wizzyrea lol 21:17 cait rangi: you will be in washington in june? 21:17 wizzyrea descriptions, I believe we like it that way 21:17 cait only descriptions without codes? or with codes? 21:17 wizzyrea without codes 21:17 cait ok 21:17 wizzyrea sorry, I know that was painful 21:17 wizzyrea lol 21:17 cait do you see the codes in your installation? or is it our 3.2.2? 21:17 rangi new orleans, with druthb and nengard and bg and sekjal and natec and and 21:17 wizzyrea there are no codes in my install, only descriptions 21:17 cait hmpf 21:18 wizzyrea you could put the code in the description if you wanted to see both >.> 21:18 cait I will have to check where that comes from tomorrow - sorry :( 21:18 cait no, we don't want to see them, they showed up after our upgrade 21:18 cait thought it was a new feature 21:18 wizzyrea oof 21:18 wizzyrea hrm 21:18 rhcl is there a conference in NOLA? 21:18 cait it shows CODE description 21:18 cait rangi: which conference is that? 21:19 wizzyrea and it's not like that in the authorized value description? 21:19 wizzyrea (surely not if it just appeared one day) 21:19 wizzyrea suppose we could look at one of the 3.2 demos 21:19 cait I am getting the other laptop ready 21:21 cait werid 21:21 cait weird 21:21 rangi ALA 21:21 cait wizzyrea: sorry for stealing your time - it's not there 21:21 rangi ALA annual 21:22 wizzyrea I don't mind at all cait 21:22 cait either it's a problem with our installation or a 3.2.2 thing 21:22 wizzyrea I've done the same many times :) 21:22 cait will check tomorow 21:22 rangi apparently it is 21:22 rangi THE WORLD'S LARGEST & MOST DYNAMIC LIBRARY CONFERENCE & EXHIBITION 21:22 rangi http://www.alaannual.org/ 21:22 wizzyrea "look at this annoying thing! .... o crap it's just me" 21:22 wizzyrea but how else would you know? 21:22 cait hehe 21:22 wizzyrea :) 21:22 schuster ALA Annual is in New Orleans this June. 21:23 rangi im going to try and stand as still as possible 21:23 cait do you have a presentation? or only going for the mad schemes? :) 21:23 rangi to make them liars 21:23 cait lol 21:23 schuster Watch out the librarians will just run you over... Especially in the exhibits stand aside... 21:23 jransom rangi: are you going to do a presntation? 21:23 rangi get out my way, wheres my free stuff 21:23 rangi nope jransom 21:23 * wizzyrea is still scheming to go to ala, if only to bring rangi beer (since you can't [aside, worst law ever] ship beer out of kansas) 21:24 schuster rangi pretty much. 21:24 schuster I'm still hopeful that I will get to buy him a beer... ;) 21:24 rangi but we will doing lots of hacking in the evenigns 21:24 schuster I'll be there! 21:24 rhcl Oh yea, I was supposed to apply for some grant money for that 21:25 cait rangi: you go there for hacking? 21:25 cait temptation reaches a critical value... 21:25 rhcl Ah Ha! found the paperwork. Amazing 21:26 rhcl rangi: are you going to be at the preconference on 24 June? 21:26 rangi yep thats the plan for the evenings, bywater are having me come over ill be helping them in the exhibition hall during the day, and we will be coding during hte evenings 21:26 rangi i think so, ill defer to bg on that, i think so tho 21:27 rangi i think gmcharlt was thinking to do something in one of the LITA sessions? 21:27 wizzyrea oh no, if cait comes... 21:27 gmcharlt rangi: yes, if available 21:27 wizzyrea i might have to go >.< 21:27 rangi 23-29 21:28 rangi arriving in NOLA on the 23rd 21:28 cait wizzyrea: ? 21:28 wizzyrea if you come to the US in june, I might have to meet you in NOLA 21:28 wizzyrea :) 21:29 * wizzyrea has never been to ALA 21:29 * rangi either 21:29 rangi :) 21:30 wizzyrea well but I don't have a 14000km excuse :P 21:30 wizzyrea maybe not that far... dangit now I have to look it up 21:30 cait hehe 21:30 rangi there is a gaming pavilion??? 21:30 cait was going to ask you if you did look it up 21:31 wizzyrea 12535 21:31 wizzyrea km 21:31 rangi close 21:31 schuster I'm on a couple of ALA Committees so need to go otherwise generally couldn't afford it. I'll be there the 24th through the 27th. Would love to know if it is an open hack fest! 21:31 rhcl is Equinox doing this talk: Open Source Integrated Library Systems in Consortia 21:31 rhcl http://alaannual.org/content/digital-information-and-technologies 21:32 wizzyrea 12741 to very near here 21:32 schuster That is a panel discussion of open source users - SCLS is on it I believe and bibliomation? and the Colorado group I think. Valerie Horton is putting that together. 21:32 rangi schuster: have a chat with brendan and nat 21:32 rangi nate even 21:33 schuster I don't want to intrude when they are paying!! Thanks 21:33 schuster rhcl - it is open source agnostic I believe 21:33 cait hm, about 740 euro 21:34 cait and only 15 hours :P 21:34 cait nothing after nz 21:34 schuster ok end of day see you tomorrow! 21:34 rangi cya schuster 21:37 gmcharlt rhcl: confirmed, ESI isn't participating on that panel 21:37 rangi bshum is bibliomation eh? 21:38 gmcharlt yes 21:38 rangi he's good people 21:38 gmcharlt he is 21:44 cait getting late here - good night all :) 21:44 rangi night cait 21:51 rangi hiya ebegin 21:51 ebegin Hi all! 21:52 ebegin Any librarians around ? :) 22:41 magnuse when IndependantBranches is set to "_Prevent_ staff (but not superlibrarians) from modifying objects...", should non-superlibrarian librarians even get to see patrons from other branches than their own? 22:59 mtj super prolly should see all branches 23:03 mtj my 2 cents... 23:30 brendan_ @wunder 93109 23:30 huginn brendan_: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 11.0�C (4:30 PM PDT on March 24, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016.5 hPa (Falling). 23:48 jcamins_away @wunder 11375 23:48 huginn jcamins_away: The current temperature in Middle Village, Queens, New York is 5.5�C (7:46 PM EDT on March 24, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: -6.0�C. Windchill: 4.0�C. Pressure: 29.78 in 1008.4 hPa (Rising). 23:48 * jcamins_away votes that he be relocated to Santa Barbara. :D 23:56 brendan_ heh