Time Nick Message 00:44 rms hey 00:45 space_librarian hi 00:45 rms how do i install koha on debian ? 00:47 space_librarian which version? 00:47 wahanui1 which version are you upgraing from ? 00:48 rms im doing a clean installation 00:49 rms space_librarian: 3.2 00:49 mtj rms: start here... 00:49 mtj http://git.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=INSTALL.debian 00:50 rms thanks 00:56 mtj rms there are some pretty .deb packages, but i havent used then yet 00:56 rms by the way, if you see a person with the nick schuster, tell him to contact me 00:56 mtj and dont know where that doco is 00:57 mtj later 00:59 rms my god, the git is large 01:00 mtj @later tell schuster rms wants you to contact him 01:00 huginn mtj: The operation succeeded. 01:01 mtj rms: yeah theres a big chunk of language translation dirs in the repo 02:18 kmkale Namaskar #koha 02:25 * kmkale waves at druthb 02:33 cathrsnz just testing this prior to going live next week. 02:33 cathrsnz @wunder hawera nz 02:33 huginn cathrsnz: The current temperature in Stratford, New Zealand is 21.3�C (3:41 PM NZDT on March 09, 2011). Conditions: . Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.93 in 1013.4 hPa (Falling). 02:33 mtj cathrsnz: test away… ;) 02:34 wizzyrea oh are you training this week cathrsnz 02:35 mtj cathrsnz: and congratulations on your pro-activeness :) 02:35 wizzyrea :) 02:36 mtj … most folk arrive here *after* they have a problem 02:36 wizzyrea true enough :D 02:37 mtj @wunder wellington nz 02:37 huginn mtj: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 17.0�C (3:00 PM NZDT on March 09, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady). 02:37 wizzyrea @wunder lawrence, ks 02:37 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 2.2�C (8:45 PM CST on March 08, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Windchill: -2.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011.1 hPa (Steady). 02:37 wizzyrea brr 02:38 mtj eep, chilly in kansas :/ 02:38 wizzyrea yes, it was snowing huge wet flakes earlier 02:38 wizzyrea not sticking but very pretty 02:42 mtj wizzyrea: are NEKLS using 3m self-checks? 02:42 wizzyrea yep 02:42 wizzyrea so far, on our 3.3 koha, there are no serious problems, only a couple of minor "our preference" issues 02:43 mtj ok, sounds good 02:43 kmkale wizzyrea: which tags are you using? 02:43 kmkale looking for a good rfid vendor in India 02:44 mtj sheesh, top-posters diaf 02:45 mtj top-posters, the bane of mailings-lists 02:46 wizzyrea just realized that I didn't send my response to you to the list 02:46 wizzyrea >.< 02:46 mtj np, ayre replied 02:47 wizzyrea ya I saw 02:47 wizzyrea kmkale, that's a good question, i don't know where they get their tags exactly 02:47 wizzyrea I can find out 02:47 wizzyrea if you like 02:47 kmkale I would like to know tag type, make, model if possible 02:47 kmkale then I can find a source here 02:48 eythian http://i.imgur.com/n64Z0.jpg 02:49 kmkale :) 02:53 kmkale wizzyrea: if an item can't be self checked out due to a hold, is there a physical barrier to prevent the patron from walking out with it? or are there alarms on the door? 03:10 kmkale_ bbl 03:13 gmcharlt rangi: datapoint - I've gotten around to testing using memcached for CGI::Session storage; definitely worth merging into 3.4 03:24 rangi sweet 03:24 rangi when I get back to more stable internets ill do so 05:44 cait hi #koha 05:51 eythian hi 05:56 cait hi eythian 05:56 cait mtj: still around? 06:22 cait morning magnuse 06:26 kmkale_ hi rangi 06:28 cait hi kmkale and rangi 07:11 magnuse good morning #koha 07:16 kmkale hi magnuse 07:16 magnuse good morning kmkale 07:34 magnuse bonjour paul_p 07:34 * eythian grumps at liberty allowing invalid data into its records. 07:36 paul_p hello magnuse 09:12 kmkale bbl 09:30 liw http://www.topatoco.com/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=TO&Product_Code=QC-LIBSCI-TOTE&Category_Code=QC 09:31 magnuse hehe 09:58 kf hi #koha 10:02 magnuse guten tag kf! 10:03 mtj heya magnuse kf 10:03 kf hi magnuse and mtj 10:03 magnuse hi mtj 10:03 kf mtj: we have 3M self checks for 5 branches in one of our newer projects here 10:04 mtj oooh, thanx for that info 10:04 mtj everything going ok… ? 10:05 kf mtj: they are not working yet 10:05 mtj … or still in testing phase 10:05 kf but can tell you in a few days more 10:05 mtj ah, gotcha 10:05 kf we asked them to test but i have no feedback 10:05 mtj cool, keep me posted 10:05 * magnuse wonders if it would be a good idea to collect experiences with self check machines on the wiki? 10:06 mtj yeah, i think so magnuse 10:06 kf mtj: we have very good experience with a German vendor 10:08 magnuse it would be good to show that "yes, koha does work with a lot of these machines" 12:33 jcamins @wunder 11375 12:33 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in Astoria, Astoria, New York is 1.9�C (7:40 AM EST on March 09, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: -2.0�C. Windchill: 2.0�C. Pressure: 30.63 in 1037.1 hPa (Steady). 12:39 magnuse @wunder bodo, norway 12:39 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 4.0�C (1:20 PM CET on March 09, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: -3.0�C. Windchill: -1.0�C. Pressure: 28.97 in 981 hPa (Steady). 12:40 magnuse woohoo 12:40 druthb jcamins++ 13:14 ebegin Anybody though about having a search result that we could navigate, for example, once we are displaying a detail record, we could have a next and previous button. Currently, we do not have the possibility to 'browse' the result. any thoughs? 13:15 druthb ebegin: I've had occasion to think about that. It would not, I think, be a huge thing to do. 13:19 ebegin druthb, Here my thoughts : the search would build a list of bib id based. We would need a SearchID (that could be the user sessions id) and a current index. 13:19 kmkale_a I had lots of trouble with patron card creator just now at a library. There are a number of small issues in there. 13:20 kmkale like the "Enter starting card number" refuses to work. It always start from 1st position 13:21 druthb ebegin: that'd be a nice way to do it, kind of stateful, which would save a lot of overhead over the stateless way I was thinking of it. 13:21 kmkale Also only code 39 type of barcode stays selected. All other types revert back to code 39 13:22 kmkale And there is no way to control the barcode print size 13:22 ebegin druthb, The next button display the next bib in the list and previous the previous one. The only probllem I see is to keep the search result when large amout of bib is involved. 13:22 druthb yeah, you'll need to expire those and toss them after a bit, or you'll end up with a lot of stray cruft. 13:23 ebegin druthb, I was wondering if we couldn't get zebra to keep this information for us. I know that there are ways to scan result of a z3950 server, based on a search id... 13:24 druthb hm...maybe. 13:30 ebegin Otherwise, the search index could be assigned to the user session id and a cron job takes care of removing the search indexes of dead session. I'll dig a little more to see. 13:30 jwagner kmkale, no one has responded to your label questions -- you really need to catch chris_n when he's online. He wrote the module so he'd be the best help. 13:31 kmkale jwagner: right. More observations really. But will chat with chris_n 13:39 tcohen hi #koha 13:40 tcohen anyone can explain briefly what quick slip is for (in checkout screen) 13:40 tcohen (i.e. quick slip vs. slip) 13:40 jwagner tcohen, if I remember correctly, quick slip is everything the patron checked out today, while slip is everything the patron has checked out in total 13:41 tcohen which is the most commonly needed? 13:41 tcohen I suppose quick slip... 13:42 jwagner Depends on the need. Quick slip is useful as a checkout receipt, but slip is best if the patron wants to know everything he/she currently has checked out. 13:42 tcohen of course 13:42 tcohen i'm resuming bug 4389, which was intended to help 13:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4389 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED, Trigger slip print on empty checkout submit 13:43 tcohen people working on circultaion 13:43 tcohen so I think i'll stick with qslip 13:43 tcohen thanks jwagner 14:42 * tcohen is happy as submited his remaining patches for his assigned bugs :-D 14:47 kf :) 14:47 kf tcohen++ 15:27 sekjal anyone know of any data issues that would cause insanely high memory and CPU usage for opac-search.pl or opac-detail.pl? 15:50 gmcharlt sekjal: is it consistently reproduceable? 15:50 gmcharlt for a given bib or a given search? 15:50 sekjal gmcharlt: still working on confirming that 15:58 hdl sekjal: how many checkouts on one page ? 15:58 hdl sekjal: how many items for the biblio ? 15:59 sekjal this is happening on opac-search.pl and opac-detail.pl, for numerous searches and biblionumbers. most have around 1-2 items attached, and not too many checkouts 16:04 gmcharlt sekjal: so if we restrict it to the opac-detail.pl case for now, does it happen every time you display a particular bib? 16:08 sekjal haven't isolated a particular biblio yet; appears to happen on several 16:08 * magnus_lunch magnus_away 16:08 magnus_away oops ;-) 16:12 sekjal opac-search.pl is the real killer 16:12 sekjal 80-90% CPU usage with 13-15% memory usage for several seconds at a time 16:13 kmkale sekjal: how many records? 16:14 sekjal just under 50K titles 16:14 kmkale :( 16:15 kmkale not seen it on any of my install 16:17 paul_p sekjal, is there a biblio with maaaaaannnnnyyyyy items ? 16:17 paul_p like 500+ ? 16:17 paul_p (that could be an explanation) 16:18 sekjal biggest has 168 16:18 paul_p that's a lot, but I think it's not enough to have perf-- 16:18 paul_p is opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=XXX on this biblio long to display ? 16:20 sekjal defaults to not displaying all the items (too many). Once I click the link, it take about 5 sec to show them all 16:20 sekjal wouldn't classify it as a abnormal 16:21 paul_p sekjal, even if they're not displayed, the xml is parsed. So if this step is not long, then it means your record is not long to xml-parse (displaying long is a firefox problem, not koha) 16:21 gmcharlt agree with paul_p - large XML blobs to parse would obviously slow things down, but it shouldn't be spiking CPU usage quite like that 16:22 sekjal I think there is something about the data that Zebra doesn't like 16:22 paul_p + it should not be in opac-search 16:22 gmcharlt sekjal: which process is spiking? 16:22 paul_p (I mean the problem should not arise in opac-search, only when displaying *one* biblio) 16:22 gmcharlt opac-search or zebrasrv? 16:22 sekjal opac-search.pl 16:23 hdl sekjal: even though you donot display items because too many, you are decoding the marcxml => it takes TIME 16:23 gmcharlt then I think that would rule out Zebra per se 16:23 paul_p is search on staff interface fast ? 16:24 sekjal no, staff-side search spikes similarly 16:26 sekjal memory and CPU grow as I watch on commandline top... at least 4 refreshes worth 16:27 sekjal I have a suspicion about whitespace... but I'm entirely clear why 16:27 sekjal err, not entirely clear 16:27 gmcharlt well, is the whitespace clear or not? if it's not, isn't it darkspace? 16:28 sekjal depends if you're viewing it as a .jpg or .png 16:28 gmcharlt heh 16:28 gmcharlt anytime, nytprof time, I think 16:30 sekjal yeah, I think perhaps so 16:38 kmkale bye all. Good night 16:39 paul_p bye all ! time to go back home for me ! (not to bed like kmkale_a though ;-) ) 16:41 kf bye paul_p :) 16:41 druthb nekls++ 16:41 druthb wizzyrea++ 16:49 jcamins_away What's the minimum required version of Perl? 16:49 jcamins_away It's 5.10, isn't it? 16:50 sekjal 5.8.8 last I heard 16:50 sekjal talked of moving it to 5.10, but I don't think we agreed to do that yet 16:50 jcamins_away Good. 16:51 jcamins_away Any idea where ZOOM.pm comes from? 16:52 jcamins_away Ah. Net::Z3950::ZOOM 16:54 jcamins_away nekls++ 17:01 kf nekls++ 17:06 * jwagner gives jquery a swift kick 17:27 JesseM what is the default search field on Koha? 17:29 JesseM oh I got it relevance 17:30 jcamins_away JesseM: by default, Koha searches every single field that's been indexed. 17:30 JesseM THank you jcamins 17:34 wizzyrea :D bywater++ 17:35 wizzyrea complicated_integration_of_missing_data-- 17:44 * druthb waves to SharonNEKLS. 17:44 SharonNEKLS druthb The holds ratio report looks normal again - I am one happy (but still moody) person! 17:44 druthb Awesomeness! 17:45 SharonNEKLS Now we just need to get the old system to stop generating notices... 17:45 SharonNEKLS forgot to put that on our checklist... 17:45 wizzyrea (and yes, we filed a ticket) 17:45 SharonNEKLS and left a phone message, for good measure 18:32 sekjal NYTProf had some interesting lessons for my CPU/mem usage problem 18:33 sekjal quickest fix: reducing the number of search results per page from 100 18:34 wizzyrea 100 is an almost overwhelming number of resluts anyway 18:34 wizzyrea results* :P 18:34 sekjal a lot of processing time is being thrown at getting authorised_value_images for a biblio 18:42 sekjal yeah, Koha spends a lot of resources on get_authorised_value_images, but doesn't even necessarily use them 18:46 gmcharlt sekjal: the other factor is that it effectively runs through all of the items twice 18:50 sekjal NYTProf has the call to get_biblio_authorised_values (which is passed to the get images routine) with 5 seconds exclusive time and 13 seconds inclusive time (on my particular machine with 100 results returned) 18:50 sekjal a simple conditional to check to see if AuthorisedValueImages is even turned on first would save a lot 18:55 gmcharlt sekjal: yes, and presumably there's scope to make get_bib_auth_vals more efficient even when it is turned on 19:18 rms . 19:18 rms GAH. 19:24 Brooke_ kia ora 19:25 cait hi Brooke_ 19:25 Brooke_ :) 20:13 Brooke_ stupid Journal of Library Innovation not having any stupid articles for me to read. Almost like I have to stupid contribute instead of stupid leech. 20:28 SharonNEKLS I love the reports library... 20:52 Brooke_ namaskar 21:56 rhcl raksaman 22:20 Jen_NCAR I have recently created a new MARC framework for catalogin archival collections. The MARC record looks good, but the frontend display leaves seomthing to be desired - very few relevant fields display. Is there a way within KOHA admin to dictate which MARC fields are displayed on the frontend and with what labels. Example: I might like the 545 to display with 22:21 gmcharlt Jen_NCAR: there's a server side XSLT file that we can edit for that 22:21 gmcharlt Jen_NCAR: you can drop me a line with what you want displayed and with what labels 22:23 gmcharlt files in question are ./koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/xslt/MARC21slim2OPACDetail.xsl and ./koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/xslt/MARC21slim2OPACResults.xsl, btw 22:25 Jen_NCAR gmcharlt: great! I will put that list together and get back to you. Actually, I should really ask our archivist what SHE wants displayed. Can I drop you a line tomorrow? 22:38 eythian Julian is doing really good work with getting bugs closed. 22:59 gmcharlt Jen_NCAR: sure, that's fine