Time  Nick            Message
23:06 LBA             howdy rangi
22:34 rangi           hi LBA
22:26 jcamins         Good night, #koha
21:46 sekjal          github.com/nabeta/next-l
21:45 sekjal          japanese open source ILS:  Enju
21:32 jcamins         Yeah, I had the two arguments backwards.
21:32 jcamins         Oh, I figured it out.
21:32 liw             git log COMMITID1 HEAD # iirc
21:31 jcamins         Okay, one last question... is it possible to get a log going all the way back to a specific commit?
21:28 jcamins         That's really cool.
21:28 rangi           git freaking rules
21:28 rangi           d251585f717203b3abc27ab1238a276cc6addbaf
21:28 rangi           rorohiko:[git/new/enh/bug_5720-]:~/git/catalyst-koha% git merge-base new/enh/bug_5720 kc/master
21:27 rangi           git merge-base
21:27 jcamins         Right.
21:27 rangi           2 branches in git?
21:26 jcamins         How do you find out where two branches diverged?
21:23 jcamins         Hm. Thanks.
21:22 rangi           * build: three-digit
21:22 rangi           * revision: two-digit
21:22 rangi           * minor: two-digit
21:22 rangi           * major: one digit
21:22 rangi           major.minor[.revision[.build]]
21:22 rangi           With Koha 3, version numbering has been changed to use a method similar to Perl's:
21:22 rangi           is scrapped from that site
21:22 * druthb        must now hustle to get her room tidied up a bit...
21:22 rangi           http://pakbill.net/koha/
21:22 * druthb        announces a code4lib Koha hackfest tonight, in her hotel room.  :)
21:21 rangi           one is on the site whose name i will not utter
21:21 rangi           theres more than one
21:18 jcamins         I seem to recall there being a document explaining Koha version numbers. Does anyone know where that document might be?
21:08 oleonard        Ciao #koha
21:07 hudsonbot       Paul Poulain: Bug 5718 : fix permission of moveitem = edit_items needed
21:07 hudsonbot       Project Koha_Master build #350: SUCCESS in 24 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/350/
20:56 rangi           thats it
20:55 sijobl          mount albert research centre
20:55 rangi           yeah
20:55 sijobl          it is a bit mad, in the high rise out in the burbs sense
20:55 rangi           has a bunch of land around it too still
20:55 sijobl          MARC
20:55 rangi           you can see eden park from it anyway
20:55 sijobl          ohh, yes
20:55 rangi           mt edenish
20:54 rangi           s/build/big/
20:54 sijobl          whereabouts?
20:54 rangi           build old science block
20:54 rangi           its one of those ones they could never build these days
20:54 rangi           their building is pretty neat
20:54 sijobl          http://www.nzherald.co.nz/science/news/article.cfm?c_id=82&objectid=10533889
20:53 rangi           :)
20:53 rangi           we only started in sept
20:53 sijobl          you don't want to rush these things :-)
20:53 sijobl          so two years to merge library systems
20:53 sijobl          sorry, end of 2008
20:53 rangi           well a year ago :)
20:53 sijobl          ohh, no, it was only the end of 2009
20:52 rangi           yes, yes they were ;)
20:52 sijobl          I'm suprised it's taken that long - weren't crop and hort merged years ago?
20:52 rangi           rhcl: i think that link only works inside their vpn
20:52 sijobl          eventually, the router division was commercialised and became allied telesyn
20:51 rangi           hehe cool
20:51 rangi           both used different systems
20:51 sijobl          from scratch
20:51 sijobl          we were so cool, we made our own routers
20:51 rangi           right, plant and food were an interesting one, cos it was merging 2 catalogues, crop and food and hortresearch
20:51 sijobl          the last six months of that august institution :-)
20:51 sijobl          yup, and the DSIR before that
20:51 slef            rangi: doesn't absol... hmm
20:50 rangi           you were at hort research eh?
20:50 rangi           sijobl: hmm nope, all women
20:47 rhcl            well, I guess all the left margin links are dead--site not live yet I guess?
20:46 * sijobl        guesses not, as it as 20 years ago when I worked there :-)
20:46 rhcl            re: plantand food
20:46 sijobl          rangi: is stephen northover still the librarian?
20:46 rhcl            there seems to be a dead link on the page -- E Journals and Books
20:45 sijobl          woo, plant and food
20:42 hudsonbot       Starting build 350 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS)
20:41 hdl             I think paul sent his rebuild_zebra_sliced.pl script
20:41 hdl             mtj: good script, could be part of a patch
20:39 hdl             nice looking
20:39 hdl             in fact most of Koha sites should be in https
20:38 rangi           that site is your definitive resource for kiwifruit btw :)
20:38 rangi           we just helped them with the trickier bits of css
20:37 rangi           they did most of it
20:37 oleonard        rangi: Is that designed by Catalyst?
20:37 mtj             nice css skinning rangi
20:37 rhcl            ic login page
20:37 chris_n         rangi: nice looking site
20:37 mtj             ooh, new books! ;)
20:37 rangi           i dont want passwords floating around in plain text
20:36 rangi           it connects to their active directory
20:36 mtj             ok, gotta scoot...
20:36 rhcl            chris: just out of idle curiosity, why https vs http?
20:36 mtj             hdl http://paste.koha-community.org/141
20:36 oleonard        rangi: Nice!
20:35 hdl             fcapo: where is this zeb_wrapper script ?
20:35 rangi           https://library.plantandfood.co.nz/  <-- new koha site live
20:35 rangi           i hope to finish 5574 today
20:35 hdl             nice.
20:35 rangi           hdl: another biblibre patch merged ! :-)
20:34 wahanui         hola, hdl
20:34 hdl             hi
20:32 fcapo           mtj : Thank you for sharing your zeb_wrapper.pl script. It's working great!
20:32 huginn          New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5718 : fix permission of moveitem = edit_items needed <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d251585f717203b3abc27ab1238a276cc6addbaf>
20:31 jcamins         Yeah, that's what I figured.
20:31 rangi           well, you'd probably have to try it and see
20:30 jcamins         The purpose of the thought experiment was to determine whether it's something worth doing.
20:30 jcamins         rangi: yeah, that's what I would do if I were going to implement the feature.
20:30 rangi           where you can specify how many to commit after
20:30 rangi           how about making a switch
20:21 jcamins         Would that make it any faster?
20:20 jcamins         Here's a thought experiment. What if link_bibs_to_authorities committed changes to 1000 records at a time?
20:18 slef            lots of admin done, but it's just not the same
20:17 sekjal          nice when busy days are pointy
20:17 sekjal          sorry to hear that, slef
20:17 slef            hi all... been a pointlessly busy day here
20:09 space_librarian oh yes. I know. That's the irony of it all. And you can never get a straight answer either.
20:09 jcamins         For example, which record has killed the indexing process.
20:09 jcamins         space_librarian: no, my objection is when -v gives you all the information in the world except what you need.
20:08 space_librarian you know that useless verbosity is a mainstay of bibs and authorities in library cataloguing, right? Just checking... :)
20:07 sekjal          I'll chip in on that :)
20:07 sekjal          useless_verbose_logging--
20:05 jwagner         And hello from Maryland
20:05 oleonard        Hello from Ohio, space_librarian
20:04 jcamins         useless_verbose_logging--
20:04 jcamins         That's it?
20:04 huginn          jcamins: Karma for "useless_verbose_logging" has been increased 0 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of -1.
20:04 jcamins         @karma useless_verbose_logging
20:04 jcamins         useless_verbose_logging--
20:02 jcamins         gmcharlt++ # for including useful information when you run link_bibs_to_authorities.pl with -v
20:01 brendan_        :D
19:58 druthb          :D
19:58 rangi           wizzyrea is from NEKLS http://www.nekls.org/
19:58 rangi           (a koha support company)
19:57 rangi           jcamins, sekjal, druthb, brendan_, Nate_ and nengard are all from bywater
19:57 space_librarian ciao wizzyrea, nice to meet you.
19:57 rangi           ah yep, and jcamins
19:57 * jcamins       is in the US, too.
19:56 rangi           cya wizzyrea
19:56 wizzyrea        i'm out, peace :P
19:56 rangi           sekja, wizzyrea and druthb are in the us, mtj is somewhere near wellington, ibeardslee is down on level 2 :)
19:56 wizzyrea        ok for real this time
19:56 wizzyrea        mtj: !!!!! Give!
19:55 rangi           :)
19:55 space_librarian great. I will take notes and be attentive. And go look for that screensaver.
19:55 rangi           http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Meetings
19:54 rangi           http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/today
19:54 ibeardslee      space_librarian: System >> Preferences >> Screensaver >> MatrixView
19:54 rangi           space_librarian: this is the main koha channel, its all logged, and its where we have our community meetings etc
19:53 space_librarian And I wonder if I can still find that old school (original) matrix screensaver somewhere...
19:52 space_librarian that sounds pretty awesome.
19:51 sekjal          druthb and I, that is
19:51 * mtj           always views the matrix with dual monitors, (in hex)
19:51 sekjal          space_librarian:  we're watching a presentation on the Astronomical Data System here at Code4Lib
19:51 space_librarian Hey all. :)
19:50 druthb          hi, space_librarian!  :D
19:50 mtj             space_librarian: grateings from planet earth
19:50 space_librarian and dual monitors. I'm so impressed!
19:50 rangi           heh
19:50 ibeardslee      and she has a computer already!
19:50 space_librarian hello space_librarian. :)
19:49 rangi           today is her 3rd day at catalyst
19:49 jcamins         Hello, space_librarian.
19:49 rangi           everyone say hi to space_librarian
19:48 mtj             ive been too busy/embarassed to submit it to kc.org, but its been running fine on a prod/slave combo for 2 years :)
19:47 mtj             … which would be close to real-time indexing, without the zeb_daemon.pl memory bloat problem
19:46 mtj             fcapo: so my goofy zeb_wrapper.pl script could be increased to loop every 5 /10 seconds
19:43 jcamins         Just for the record, if you set autocommit=0, make sure you run `COMMIT;` after the queries you want to stick.
19:43 mtj             ah, me remembers....
19:41 mtj             katipo named the box for that client?
19:40 rangi           nope katipo is all spiders
19:40 fcapo           I was thinking about the time it takes to start new instances of perl, but then I saw the "Select limit 1" ... nice
19:40 mtj             twas a katipo name, i think?
19:39 brendan_        heh s/live/love
19:39 brendan_        mtj I live the name of your computer ( bilbo ) :)
19:39 mtj             thats the theory , anyway... :)
19:38 mtj             ive you clean out the zeb_que table every few days, that select is pretty quick
19:38 mtj             its just a "select * limit 1"  lookup to zebra_queue  table...
19:37 mtj             it should *not* slow the server, too badly
19:37 fcapo           interesting
19:37 rangi           if you did it nicely, with a fork, from within perl, then no, no more than the daemon does
19:36 fcapo           just wondering if lowering the interval so it's almost "live" would slow down the server :/
19:36 mtj             no different really , but i/admins can start/stop the job easily
19:36 ebegin          fcapo, you could set it at 10 sec if you want to. If there is nothing to do, this script just access the db once
19:36 rangi           you can adjust the time
19:36 rangi           fcapo: i use one that just starts another one as soon as one finishes, well 5 second wait
19:35 fcapo           Well, normal cronjobs have a 1 minute limit, so using that script with a 60 seconds interval isn't really different, no?
19:35 mtj             then, start rebulild_zeb.pl..
19:35 rangi           back
19:35 mtj             are there any outstanding bibs to index, yes...
19:34 mtj             is a current rebuild happening?,  no...
19:34 mtj             sleep for a minute,
19:34 mtj             but you get the picture...
19:34 fcapo           yea :P
19:33 mtj             lol, its actually a *perl* wrapper, not bash ;)
19:33 fcapo           mtj: looking at it. I'll test it
19:33 mtj             as chris.c said, its a looping bash wrapper for rebuild_zeb.pl, rather than a cron
19:32 mtj             fcapo: check out my prev. paste..
19:31 ebegin          It's ok for bib appearing in the catalogue, but when they are creating a new bib and want to add a newly created authority, they have to wait for X minutes before being able to search it...
19:31 fcapo           Thanks for the feedbacks, I'll be careful with it.
19:30 fcapo           Well, right now my modified zebraqueue seems to be working correctly, only leaking memory when a lot of modifications are made :/
19:30 pastebot0       "mtj" at 203.97.99.222 pasted "zeb_wrapper.pl" (55 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/141
19:30 ebegin          But having to wait X minute for reindexation is quite long for the users.
19:29 mtj             no, its been on my to do list for a while too!
19:29 mtj             rather than calling rebuild_zeb.pl via cron
19:28 mtj             i have a wrapper script that calls rebuild-zeb.pl every X minutes
19:28 fcapo           so... no perfect way to do live reindexation yet? :(
19:28 mtj             oops, i take that back!…..
19:27 rangi           Bbiab
19:26 rangi           Is my advice
19:26 rangi           Don't use it
19:26 mtj             but yeah, what we really need is a new re-index method thats a hybrid of the two
19:26 rangi           I wrote it and it sux
19:26 rangi           Every so often
19:26 rangi           It still spazzes out
19:26 rangi           Naw
19:25 mtj             (but i should not really recommend that, to folks)
19:25 fcapo           yea, If I get memory problem, I'll change the restart interval
19:25 mtj             a restart every hour even, and it prolly works ok  too
19:24 fcapo           yea :/ that's why we do a restart every night
19:24 rangi           That's why it shouldn't be used
19:24 rangi           Yes but it still leaks
19:23 fcapo           Well, my modifications to zebraqueue are already done and working.
19:23 rangi           Well more that calls it whenever it finishes,every min you will get more than one running
19:22 mtj             this allows me to start/start the re-indexing easily, without a cron edit
19:21 mtj             ie: a bash wrapper script that calls zebq.pl, every minute
19:21 rangi           In a loop
19:21 rangi           To run rebuild_zebra.pl
19:20 rangi           You are better off writing some bash
19:20 mtj             fcapo: i have a similar hack for zebq
19:20 rangi           Fcapo
19:20 ebegin          They are fixing things ;)
19:20 fcapo           I'm just wondering what all these fix subroutines are doing :/
19:19 fcapo           Today, I had to modify zebraqueue so it would work like rebuild_zebra. I just copied the fix_leader, fix_biblio_ids, fix_authority_id and fix_unimarc_100 subroutines from rebuild_zebra and used them in zebraqueue.
19:18 fcapo           ok, good :)
19:18 ebegin          but it still in my todo list :)
19:17 ebegin          I had a look at it, but I was pulled by something else and didn't have time to look at it since.
19:16 jcamins         fcapo: I think ebegin was doing some work on that.
19:15 fcapo           Our clients need to have live reindexation of records, so right now we are using zebraqueue with a restart every night because of its memory leaks :/
19:14 fcapo           Hello, I have some questions on Zebra reindexation : is anybody working on a replacement for zebraqueue right now?
19:13 rangi           Ahh nickserv, gotta love it
19:02 rangi           Cool
19:02 druthb          so far, so good.
19:02 rangi           Heya how's the conf going?
19:01 * druthb        waves to rangi
19:01 rangi           Nice :)
18:56 liw             oleonard, I have a friend who's contribution to the Linux kernel is -1 lines :) he found a bug whose fix was to remove a line
17:02 magnuse         oleonard: my first patch removed one character... ;-)
16:47 cait            this missing space was annoying :)
16:47 cait            oleonard++ even
16:46 cait            owen++
16:37 oleonard        I hope it finds its way into Koha's top-ten list of single-character bug fixes
16:37 jcamins         oleonard++ # for attention to detail
16:37 oleonard        Yes, it's true: I created a bug report and sent a patch for a bug involving one space.
16:23 hdl             trying to know what we are supposed to send
16:23 hdl             But is rasing an error when answering MARC
16:22 hdl             Our SimpleServer for Solr is working fine with marcxml
16:22 hdl             marcxml is being sent ok
16:21 gmcharlt        though you could try MARCXML
16:21 gmcharlt        hdl: yep, it should be expecting regular ISO
16:21 wizzyrea        so close.
16:21 huginn          wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is -15.1�C (10:25 AM CST on February 08, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: -20.0�C. Windchill: -22.0�C. Pressure: 30.59 in 1035.8 hPa (Steady).  Winter Weather Advisory in effect until 6 am CST Wednesday... 
16:21 wizzyrea        @wunder lawrence ks
16:20 hdl             gmcharlt: Do you know what data SimpleServer should send back when being asked MARC records ? It seems that sending MARC::Record->as_usmarc is being interpreted as BAD MARC
16:19 * jwagner       gathers armies in the other blue countries and prepares to attack Switzerland
16:19 gmcharlt        mxiture, then
16:19 hdl             But there are some MARC21 also
16:19 hdl             gmcharlt: we had UNIMARC libraries there
16:17 gmcharlt        hmm, looks like MARC21 if the national library's catalog is any indication
16:16 jcamins         gmcharlt: that's a really funny image. But I have no idea.
16:15 * gmcharlt      suddenly had an imagine of a weird, cataloger-centric game of Risk
16:15 gmcharlt        does anybody know offhand whether Switzerland is UNIMARC or MARC21 territory?
16:00 gmcharlt        very Pyrrhic
16:00 huginn          gmcharlt: The current temperature in Earthquake Park, Anchorage, Alaska is -5.7�C (6:59 AM AKST on February 08, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: -9.0�C. Windchill: -6.0�C. Pressure: 30.16 in 1021.2 hPa (Falling).  Strong wind through late tonight along Turnagain Arm and higher elevations...
16:00 gmcharlt        @wunder 99517
16:00 oleonard        rhcl: A Pyrrhic victory though it is
15:59 huginn          gmcharlt: Quote #112: "gmcharlt: only superlibrarians can be trusted with capes" (added by wizzyrea at 09:17 PM, December 15, 2010)
15:59 gmcharlt        @quote random
15:52 rhcl            -16.7   Do I win?
15:52 huginn          rhcl: The current temperature in St Joseph, Missouri is -16.7�C (9:56 AM CST on February 08, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: -24.0�C. Windchill: -17.0�C. Pressure: 30.42 in 1030.0 hPa (Falling).  Wind Chill Advisory in effect until noon CST today... 
15:52 rhcl            @wunder 64507
15:47 nengard         last time was for SLA
15:47 nengard         my second visit
15:47 * oleonard      should find an excuse to visit Seattle someday
15:46 nengard         training yet another new koha library :)
15:46 nengard         yep oleonard
15:46 huginn          jcamins: The current temperature in Long Island City, Queens, New York is 6.4�C (10:45 AM EST on February 08, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: 2.0�C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017.2 hPa (Rising).
15:46 jcamins         @wunder 11375
15:46 nengard         well - i guess it's good i'm in seattle :)
15:46 oleonard        Are you in Seattle nengard ?
15:45 huginn          nengard: The current temperature in CWOP # AR939, Penndel, Pennsylvania is 2.2�C (10:49 AM EST on February 08, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: -4.0�C. Windchill: 2.0�C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006.0 hPa (Steady).  Wind Advisory in effect until 8 PM EST this evening... 
15:45 nengard         @wunder 19030
15:45 huginn          nengard: The current temperature in Herrera Environmental Consultants, Seattle, Washington is 5.1�C (7:49 AM PST on February 08, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 30.26 in 1024.6 hPa (Steady).
15:45 nengard         @wunder seattle, wa
15:29 huginn          oleonard: The current temperature in Athens, Ohio is -3.0�C (10:15 AM EST on February 08, 2011). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: -6.0�C. Windchill: -8.0�C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Rising).
15:29 oleonard        @wunder 45701
15:26 huginn          magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -1.0�C (4:20 PM CET on February 08, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: -3.0�C. Windchill: -8.0�C. Pressure: 29.18 in 988 hPa (Rising).
15:26 magnuse         @wunder bodo, norway
15:23 kf              no, shoudl work on a zillion other things
15:23 oleonard        I just wanted to make sure we weren't both working on it
15:23 kf              ok, thx
15:23 oleonard        No, I'll just keep going
15:23 kf              oleonard: i don't have time now - I could try tonight
15:22 * druthb        shivers a little.
15:22 huginn          druthb: The current temperature in Bloomington, Indiana is -7.7�C (10:25 AM EST on February 08, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: -12.0�C. Windchill: -12.0�C. Pressure: 30.25 in 1024.3 hPa (Rising).
15:22 druthb          @wunder Bloomington, IN.
15:20 * oleonard      had just started to review it
15:20 oleonard        kf: Are you signing off on that patch?
15:18 kf              kmkale: I was customizing one of these pages with jquery yesterday and was missing a unique id :)
15:17 kf              kmkale++
15:17 jcamins         (and the suppress index wasn't set up)
15:17 jcamins         jwagner: no results were coming up because OpacSuppression was turned on.
15:16 jwagner         jcamins, do you mean the record wasn't searching because it was suppressed, or it was failing to index/corrupting because it was suppressed?
15:15 jcamins         OpacSuppression, rather.
15:13 jcamins         It's suppress lost biblios.
15:13 jcamins         Oh, never mind.
15:11 jcamins         You'd think there would be some sort of error, though.
15:11 wahanui         oleonard: I forgot probably
15:11 oleonard        wahanui: forget probably
15:11 jcamins         Apparently the very first record, in fact.
15:10 wahanui         hmmm... probably is already fixed in 3.2.x and 3.4
15:10 jcamins         Probably.
15:10 sekjal          ?
15:10 sekjal          jcamins: corrupted biblio record
15:09 jcamins         Yup.
15:09 kf              have you reindexed with a and b?
15:08 jcamins         Authorities are searching fine, but biblios are not.
15:08 jcamins         Why would Zebra not work only with biblios?
15:06 * druthb        returns ffrom break.
14:18 jcamins         I left foreign_key_checks alone, since that makes the deletion propagate.
14:16 jcamins         It was slow, but not like before.
14:15 jcamins         (actually, I increased innodb_buffer_pool_size first)
14:15 jcamins         Ran the delete.
14:15 jcamins         Increased innodb_buffer_pool_size as much as possible.
14:15 jcamins         SET autocommit=0;
14:15 jcamins         For those of you who have been waiting with bated breath to learn how to delete massive numbers of records, here is what I did:
14:09 sekjal          also, we can develop it in parallel, and fall back to prog if things get weird
14:08 sekjal          since not every browser supports HTML5 yet, we can keep koha's requirements lower by making HTML5 optional at first
14:08 sekjal          oleonard:  ah
14:07 oleonard        sekjal: Sorry, I mean why a second template directory?
14:07 sekjal          the change to the templates breaks the patron messaging preferences form
14:07 oleonard        sekjal: why a second one?
14:06 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5462 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Fix variable names so we dont break template::toolkit
14:06 sekjal          oh, and found another followup fix for bug 5462
14:06 sekjal          I'm interested in a second template directory with all the templates done in HTML5 and CSS3
14:05 druthb          Good morning, from code4lib.  :)
14:03 kf              when the change to template toolkit is done
14:03 kf              I think we should wait for the next version perhaps
14:02 oleonard        And T:T of course.
14:02 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5481 enhancement, P5, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, Replace YUI JS libraries with Jquery UI
14:02 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4048 normal, P5, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, CSS and JS libs must be outside of translated paths
14:02 oleonard        We've got too many template-wide change bugs at the moment: bug 4048, bug 5481
14:01 oleonard        I think we should plan to use html5 in koha eventually
14:00 kf              and do we plan to use html5 in koha
14:00 kf              and if we want to change it now before that happens?
14:00 kf              oleonard: I think the question is if the translator script will be changed for template toolkit
13:57 oleonard        Should we be modifying the translator script to accommodate a feature that isn't in Koha?
13:57 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5709 enhancement, P5, ---, brice.sanchez, ASSIGNED, Adding the ability to translate HTML5 placeholder text in an input field
13:57 oleonard        bug 5709
13:45 jcamins         What do y'all recommend for key_buffer on a VirtualBox VM?
13:39 jcamins         Woohoo! 4.2 seconds.
13:39 jcamins         Ooh, I'll try SET foreign_key_checks = 0;
13:38 kf              jwagner: only a little painful, once you have the statement it's pretty fast to do
13:38 jcamins         I'm just going to blow away the database after I figure out what's going on anyway.
13:37 jcamins         jwagner: they are. I'd be fine with manually reconciling foreign key constraints, though.
13:37 jcamins         It took 1:30 to delete about 10k records.
13:37 jwagner         jcamins, I assume you've checked that these records aren't linked to anything?
13:37 jcamins         Ah. I see why it was so fast.
13:36 jwagner         kf, that sounds painful
13:35 kf              and we did rewrite the output from a select to delete statements, using concat
13:35 kf              but I had problems with tables where I was not allowed to delete more than one line at a time (not koha)
13:35 kf              not sure it will be faster
13:35 jcamins         The problem is when there are no typos, deleting 50k records takes a loooooooooooong time.
13:34 jcamins         Oh, I got all the results I want to delete.
13:34 jwagner         What do you get if you do a select with the biblionumber < 51200?
13:34 jwagner         I don't work at the MySQL level much, but if you can do a where you should be able to frame a select.
13:33 jcamins         Never mind. The DELETE didn't work right. That's why it was so fast.
13:32 jcamins         I've been spending a lot of time deleting records of late.
13:31 jcamins         Cool. If there's a better day to do it, though, I'd be grateful for any pointers.
13:30 jcamins         DELETE FROM biblio WHERE biblionumber < 51200 only took 1:30 today.
13:30 jcamins         Huh. That was weird.
13:30 jcamins         jwagner: yeah.
13:30 jwagner         i.e., can you select where....
13:30 jwagner         jcamins, is there something identifiably unique about them?
13:28 jcamins         Does anyone know of a way to quickly delete a huge number of records from MySQL?
13:20 oleonard        :)
13:20 jcamins         I'm still working on that.
13:19 oleonard        what's your plan?
13:19 jcamins         I think I'll take a stab at it.
13:19 jcamins         Okay.
13:18 oleonard        No
13:18 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5704 enhancement, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, bib level item type icon should display on search results
13:18 jcamins         oleonard: Good morning. I was just thinking of you. Are you working on Bug 5704?
13:17 oleonard        Hi #koha
12:59 Nate_           morning!
12:58 jcamins         Hi there, jwagner and Nate_.
12:57 jwagner         morning, jcamins
12:54 jcamins         Good morning, #koha
09:40 kmkale          brb
09:36 magnuse         jransom: ah, you made the mistake earlier and discovered it now?
09:35 jransom         Magnus: yep - but now I have to fess up :(
09:32 rangi           yup
09:32 indradg         rangi, pm?
09:32 indradg         rangi, hi
09:32 rangi           hi indradg
09:30 magnuse         jransom: good thing you found it, then!
09:29 hudsonbot       Chris Cormack: Bug 2742 : Fix typo
09:29 hudsonbot       Project Koha_Master build #349: SUCCESS in 26 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/349/
09:21 jransom         just found it but need to explain it now ....
09:21 jransom         magnise: been crunching numbers all day. did a bit huge mistake
09:20 jransom         hiya Katrin :D
09:13 rangi           cool
09:10 magnuse         rangi: thanks, i'll give nynorsk a try, then
09:10 rangi           yup, thats right
09:09 wahanui         hey, hdl
09:09 hdl             hi
09:09 magnuse         rangi: cool. do i set the the status back to patch sent when it's sent?
09:08 rangi           magnuse: yes, thats fine
09:06 * kf            waves to jransom
09:03 hudsonbot       Starting build 349 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS)
09:03 magnuse         jransom: and you are crunching numbers?
09:02 hudsonbot       * Fr?d?rick Capovilla: Bug 5616: Corrects an utf-8 encoding problem in cardviews
09:02 hudsonbot       * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 5701: Distinction between authors/additional authors in staff normal view (MARC21/XSLT)
09:02 hudsonbot       * Chris Cormack: Bumping database version
09:02 hudsonbot       * Colin Campbell: Bug 2742 Correct language names in install
09:02 hudsonbot       Project Koha_Master build #348: SUCCESS in 24 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/348/
09:02 jransom         tell me about it ..
09:01 magnuse         jransom: fine thanks, lots of work to do and not enough time, though... ;-)
09:01 magnuse         rangi: is it ok if i submit a patch for 2742 that just adds "nynorsk"?
09:00 jransom         magnus baby !! how are you  :D
09:00 magnuse         kia ora, jransom!
08:59 magnuse         hiya kf
08:58 kf              morning magnus
08:57 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2742 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, NEW, Wrong language name in the preferences
08:57 magnuse         hm, looks like the patch for bug 2742 does not include our beloved "nynorsk"
08:46 huginn          New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 2742 : Fix typo <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=403f53c0d841e2a9f5991d3e6a9cb7704a83cf40>
08:38 hudsonbot       Starting build 348 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS)
08:37 hudsonbot       Owen Leonard: Follow-up correction for Bug 5462 - Fix variable names for template::toolkit
08:37 hudsonbot       Project Koha_Master build #347: SUCCESS in 25 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/347/
08:16 huginn          New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5616: Corrects an utf-8 encoding problem in cardviews <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=07731037ee453fe3537c257b07be9c49b66e8ced> / Bug 5701: Distinction between authors/additional authors in staff normal view (MARC21... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8ce06ddf3220bf4b16efe6d796ec80251f3390fb> / Bumping database version <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb
08:13 paul_p          thx kf
08:13 kf              paul_p
08:13 kf              and good morning paul_ü
08:12 kf              hope they get better soon
08:12 hudsonbot       Starting build 347 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS)
08:12 paul_p          working from home today. 2 boys ill
08:12 paul_p          hello world !
08:06 huginn          New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/enh/bug_5462' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=083fd5776aad2dcc97a231ce5cefec1ec661e51a> / Follow-up correction for Bug 5462 - Fix variable names for template::toolkit <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6709d0e4f7bf82c2110167fda132dd06e171eff3>
08:05 rangi           always
08:05 kf              pushing patches? :)
08:04 kf              hi rangi :)
08:03 rangi           hi kf
08:02 kf              good morning #koha
07:25 snail           Outside of a dog a book is a man's best friend, inside of a dog it's too dark to read --- Groucho Marx
07:20 rangi           cool photo :)
07:19 snail           rangi: cheers, added those awards
07:14 magnuse         ooh, cozy!
07:14 snail           heh, can ppl see http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs778.ash1/166870_10150175320254045_818194044_8696073_335845_n.jpg ?
07:13 snail           kmkale: if you're in there giving things id's and there are some that are similar, you may want to group them into a class as well
07:02 francharb       hi rangi!
07:02 rangi           hi francharb
07:02 francharb       hello #koha
06:49 kmkale          cool
06:48 rangi           i cant think of any reason not to give something one, even if we never use it, it cant hurt :)
06:48 rangi           everything should have an id
06:48 rangi           yes, that is a good idea
06:47 kmkale          many of the templates in opac which deal with users data eg opac-account.tmpl, opac-passwd.tmpl etc do not have a id for the container div like opac-user.tmpl has an id userdetail. having these id's makes it easier to customize with css. If you think adding such id's is a good idea, I can make a bug and a patch.
06:44 kmkale          chris got a minute?
06:41 rangi           i think thats all of them :)
06:40 rangi           prolly not worth adding that one tho
06:40 rangi           http://www.nzosa.org.nz/winners  finalist in nzosa, and i got contributor of the year for koha work
06:39 rangi           http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/news/6C696179245321F5CC256EBD006E50BC?Opendocument&HighLight=2,koha
06:39 rangi           Another one in 2004
06:37 rangi           http://lianza2009.wordpress.com/2009/10/07/library-idol-its-the-3m-award-for-innovation-in-libraries/
06:35 rangi           trying to find a 3rd party source for that
06:35 rangi           it won the 3m award for innovation in 2000 too
06:33 rangi           http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/news/CC256CED0016AD1ECC2569810006EAE0?Opendocument&HighLight=2,koha
06:32 rangi           snail: do you want to add some of the other awards?
06:30 kmkale          never mind
06:17 kmkale          can anyone tell me how to initialize a git repo with a copied kohaclone directory?
05:17 snail           mtj: if you're around and have questions about the wikipedia article, I'm around at the moment
04:39 kmkale          hi druthb
04:38 druthb          hi, kmkale.  :)
04:36 kmkale          namaskar #koha
04:12 druthb          sekjal++ # for bein' a hero.
02:49 brendan_        :)
02:49 brendan_        a little
02:48 mtj             getting some sun, i hope
02:48 brendan_        I should be coming back a little bit slowly now though
02:48 brendan_        yeah been off for awhile
02:47 mtj             long time, no chat :p
02:47 brendan_        heya mtj -
02:47 * mtj           waves at brendan_
02:47 rangi           reading good press releases about masscat :)
02:46 brendan_        rangi - what's happening man :D
02:46 rangi           heya brendan_
02:44 brendan_        evening
02:36 nengard         bug updated
02:25 rangi           adding the sort bit didnt work?
02:22 rangi           4263
02:17 nengard         rangi what bug # was that - i can update the bug report if you want
02:14 rangi           now just have to fix it
02:14 rangi           found the commit that broke the ordering
02:13 nengard         thanks though!!
02:13 jcamins_away    I wasn't finding it anyway.
02:13 nengard         :)
02:13 jcamins_away    Nope.
02:13 jcamins_away    Oh, good.
02:13 nengard         unless you mean another bug report
02:13 nengard         jcamins - rangi helped me find it already
02:08 jcamins_away    nengard: One moment, I recall a bug report.
02:06 jcamins_away    usb_hubs_on_external_monitors++
00:44 rangi           packages++
00:44 rangi           yay
00:43 eythian         new koha packages uploaded, for anyone interested :)
00:04 nengard         hi all - i'm wondering if someone knows of a commit that recently changed the order in which the item fields appear in cataloging - when adding an item the fields aren't in alpha order anymore .....