Time  Nick       Message
21:42 * Brooke_  removes a few bricks while slef isn't looking.
21:41 * slef     continues battering the brick wall with his head
21:06 * Brooke_  waves to ronald
20:46 rangi      heya Brooke_
20:46 Brooke_    kia ora
20:46 druthb     hi, Brooke! :)
19:44 magnuse    gotta go - see y'all tomorrow!
19:35 darling    yup -- my mom would have been a great software geek
19:32 liw        that's a bit like programming, especially with TDD
19:25 darling    I asked her much later why she liked that sort of work - she said is was really satisfying when the numbers finally work out
19:24 magnuse    cool!
19:23 darling    lots of buttons and clacky bits
19:23 darling    when I was little my mom made accounting look fun to me -- had one of those gigantic mechanical adding machines
19:22 magnuse    might not be the best word - incentive, maybe... :)
19:22 ibeardslee inspiration accounting .. is that different to the creative sort?
19:22 ibeardslee 'inspiration' and accounting eh?
19:21 cait       hope I will be able to finish my course without it
19:20 magnuse    cait: that is an all important source of inspiration when it comes to accounting...
19:17 cait       magnuse: probably I am missing the practical need :)
19:16 rangi      back
19:15 darling    hi
19:15 darling    liw!
19:14 liw        darling, hi there!
19:09 magnuse    otherwise i will hide in here... :)
19:07 magnuse    the course i am going to will be very practical, mostly how to use the acc system i use, an i feel a real need for it, so it will be good i hope...
18:59 cait       hard to make progress there
18:58 cait       my current distance study course is accounting
18:58 cait       uh accounting
18:57 magnuse    hehe
18:57 magnuse    then a one day course on accounting on the friday in the week after next
18:57 * cait     will try not to distract you too much :)
18:56 magnuse    will be good to get some actual work done :)
18:56 magnuse    woohoo
18:55 cait       yay :)
18:55 magnuse    cait: i will show up every day as far as thursday next week
18:54 cait       will you show up next week? or leave me alone again? ;)
18:53 magnuse    guten abend cait
18:52 cait       hi magnus :)
18:50 magnuse    hiya druthb
18:50 magnuse    kia ora #koha - checking in from OSL
18:50 druthb     hi, magnuse!  :D
18:48 darling    good morning, koha
18:07 slef       I guess why I get a bit frustrated when finding things like hardcoded zebra parameters ignoring the config file is that it means that someone has got poor code into our beloved koha again.
18:03 wahanui1   slef: Please state the nature of the technical emergency
18:03 slef       wow, excuse the obnoxious JS overlay, that appeared after I pasted
18:02 slef       http://www.poconorecord.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20110206/NEWS04/102060307/-1/NEWSMAP
17:57 * druthb   had never heard of a pierogi before moving to DC; now she's a big fan of them.
17:57 rangi      bbl
17:57 rangi      and now i really should get them ready
17:57 rangi      liw: i told her to call it hand egg
17:56 rangi      and she is taking them in for all the kids at kindergarten
17:56 rangi      :)
17:56 slef       Too slow to make from scratch ;-) I buy packets.
17:55 slef       I know them.
17:55 rangi      laurel spent the weekend making http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierogi
17:55 rangi      heh
17:55 slef       ;-)
17:55 slef       oh yeah, US teen sex trade peak day
17:55 rangi      superbowl, pittsburgh vs green bay
17:54 slef       ?
17:52 rangi      because their mum is a pittsburgher, today is a big day for them
17:51 rangi      ok, time to go start getting the kids ready for kindegarten
17:51 rangi      but then i had a hmm, shouldnt this be escaped moment too
17:50 rangi      actually my main worry is its talking to the db at all, ignoring things like sysprefs and circrules
17:49 slef       irony has died through overwork
17:49 slef       heh, linking to opensource.org for the gpl? really?
17:49 rangi      right, i suspect (not sure) that you can manipulate it with a url
17:48 slef       so I think whether that code is safe depends on whether vufind's $id is trustworthy
17:48 rangi      hokay, i might put write a patch, on my ever growing list
17:48 rangi      ahhh
17:47 slef       That's why so much PHP is an injection haven.
17:47 rangi      i think the real win for taht driver is to rewrite it to use the ilsdi api
17:47 slef       rangi: basic PHP doesn't do placeholders. You have to http://php.net/mysql_real_escape_string or cast (like "foo = ".((int)$foo) ) everything you can't trust.
17:45 slef       back for a mo
17:42 huginn     rangi: The operation succeeded.
17:42 rangi      @later tell slef specifically how do you do sql placeholders in php, cos that looks sql injectiony to my untrained eye
17:42 huginn     rangi: The operation succeeded.
17:42 rangi      @later tell slef it was this https://vufind.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/vufind/trunk/web/Drivers/Koha.php i was asking about php for
17:41 rangi      heh
17:41 liw        *some* days people 86401 seconds!
17:40 rangi      and the separation actually works pretty well, until we understand zebra more, i quite like that one site cant take out the indexes for all the others
17:39 cait       not if you want to get some sleep
17:39 rangi      well, people care, but people have 24 hours in a day too
17:38 slef       bbl
17:38 slef       I think it's 24Mb empty. No-one cares about wasting memory and unnecessary hardcoding any more?
17:38 cait       hi rangi
17:38 druthb     :D
17:38 rangi      hiya druthb
17:35 rangi      memory footprint is small enough, and reduces the risk of one site messing up the others
17:33 slef       rangi: :-(
17:33 rangi      slef: yes they do
17:31 * slef     looks at the packages
17:30 slef       heh "FIXME: this should be handled using Context.pm" :-/
17:30 * slef     still hasn't got to checking them out
17:29 slef       rangi: do the packages run multiple zebras?
17:29 * druthb   waves to rangi
17:29 rangi      you might want to check out how liw and robin set that up, it works well
17:28 rangi      slef: for the packages and running multiple kohas, we ended up copying most
17:27 slef       oh crikey, it's even worse :-(
17:13 cait       thx slef :)
17:13 cait       ah
17:10 slef       cait: http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/Re-Vote-for-Koha-Con-2011-tp3369597p3372058.html
17:02 cait       hijack post?
17:01 druthb     :)  Opinions vary, and we'll just have to agree to disagree on that one....I'm happier than I've been in a 20 year career in the library biz, so it's not all bad.
17:01 slef       erm, need the blowback
17:01 slef       BTW, reed++ for the "hijack" post. I wouldn't write that just now because I don't need to blowback.
17:00 slef       druthb: you're still not working for the best, but you're not on the dark side any more.
16:54 cait       flash--
16:54 cait       it keeps dying on me every few minutes
16:54 cait       zdf_mediathek--
16:53 slef       hrm, it seems lots of zebra files have to be copies to run two in one
16:53 * druthb   is glad she's not working for PTFS/LL any more, so that self will share these useful bits of knowledge with her.
16:53 cait       I never met steve tonneson
16:53 slef       IIRC, but check history for who did what when
16:53 slef       Steve Tonneson did it before me, hdl, chris_n and others since me
16:51 cait       I am a big fan of the installer too
16:49 druthb     slef++ , retroactively, for that, since it has made her life pretty dang wonderful.
16:49 slef       particularly getting the installer to play nice
16:49 druthb     :)
16:49 slef       I did some work on getting koha to run on VirtualHosts
16:48 slef       heh
16:47 druthb     I was not.
16:46 cait       I think we were not here back then slef ;)
16:46 * slef     reminds druthb who he works for and what his first contributions to Koha were
16:44 druthb     Fixing this bug would allow one Zebra server to operate for many small databases, rather than each instance of Koha having to run its' own instance of Zebra.  That has some mighty implications for large-clustering.
16:43 * druthb   thinks...
16:43 * druthb   doesn't like scripts with Holy Magic in them; some clever person is *bound* to trip over the holiness eventually.
16:43 cait       I am not sure I understand what you are talkig about - but I am all for solving bugs ;)
16:41 druthb     oh.  yeah, that name would be "holy" then, in the config, and it probably should not be, if possible.
16:41 slef       I'm pretty sure rebuild_zebra.pl is ignoring that and just using biblioserver as the name.
16:41 druthb     yeah....
16:41 slef       but you know you name the biblioserver at /yazgfs/config/biblioserver in koha-conf.xml?
16:40 druthb     Other than using ICU chains, we don't do anything too bizarre.  Pretty conventional folks.
16:40 slef       it'll only matter if you're bending the zebra config into strange shapes
16:40 * druthb   perks up, since she is running rebuild_zebra *right now*.
16:39 slef       I think I've just found a fairly obscure bug in rebuild_zebra.pl :)
16:13 cait       he is up early
16:00 slef       Chris seems up and banning already this morning
16:00 slef       zapped
15:59 druthb     harrumph!
15:59 slef       and another spam page is created on the wiki...
15:58 slef       sadly, it seems that whoever installed mediawiki hasn't time either :-/
15:58 slef       but I haven't time to care for the wiki software just now, so I stood aside
15:57 slef       dokuwiki, tracwiki, abusemod, ...
15:49 cait       dokuwiki++
15:48 druthb     Being kind of a low-level nuts-and-bolts girl, I prefer the brainless simplicity of dokuwiki, but that's just my opinion--I'm sure other folks have their own, and they may be more valid than mine.
15:46 druthb     I'm not terribly fond of mediawiki, myself; It's got a *lot* of moving parts that may or may not actually be useful ones.
15:45 slef       druthb: I'd really like someone to install a useful non-barrier-to-entry anti-spam tool on the wiki, but I don't like mediawiki and don't really want to get involved.
15:41 druthb     slef++
15:13 * slef     blanks a bit more spam from the wiki :-/
12:14 cait       will try later on the other laptop
12:13 slef       huh? ow! an xml error in an easter egg
12:12 cait       hm, xml error
12:12 slef       cait: put about:mozilla into your browser
12:01 cait       the book of mozilla?
12:01 cait       ?
11:53 slef       (from The Book of Mozilla, 11:9 (10th Edition))
11:53 slef       Mammon slept. And the beast reborn spread over the earth and its numbers grew legion. And they proclaimed the times and sacrificed crops unto the fire, with the cunning of foxes. And they built a new world in their own image as promised by the sacred words, and spoke of the beast with their children. Mammon awoke, and lo! it was naught but a follower.
11:53 cait       right :)
11:52 slef       cait: nothing is surprising any more
11:52 slef       around?
11:52 slef       rangi> 05:33:23> hmm I don't know enough php, anyone who knows php
11:47 cait       doesn't sound like rangi :)
11:46 cait       php?
11:46 slef       cait: yeah, I guessed not, but he was asking about php.
11:45 cait       almost 1am in nz - hope he is not here
11:45 cait       hi slef
11:40 slef       rangi: you still there? :-/
05:29 rangi      hmm I don't know enough php, anyone who knows php around?
03:40 mtj        http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20110204154544820
03:39 mtj        $tinfold_hat = 'ON'...
02:12 mtj        … or is my babelfish just playing up
02:12 mtj        penis fencing is similar to cock fighting?
00:26 snail      scones in the oven for lunch...