Time Nick Message 00:02 chris_n so which images are athorized value images? 00:03 chris_n authorized even 00:03 rangi hmmm 00:03 rangi pass 00:03 * chris_n tested the patches for 5687 00:03 chris_n they apply 00:04 rangi but not sure how to test them? 00:04 chris_n not exactly 00:04 rhcl is wahanui1 a bot? 00:04 rangi maybe update the bug and ask marcel to explain more 00:04 chris_n apparently these images were there before 00:04 rangi rhcl: yep 00:04 chris_n now they just are conditional based on the new syspref 00:04 rangi ah right 00:04 chris_n but nothing changes with my test data 00:05 chris_n so I probably don't have these images setup 00:05 * chris_n goes to dig through the code a bit 00:27 chris_n well the bug is updated at any rate 00:28 hudsonbot Starting build 341 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS) 00:32 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 5115, Tags JavaScript includes many untranslatable strings <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=dec6be9148ec28b240015762cdeb7019fbfadeb6> / Merge branch 'new/bug_5690' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ea93d3b56e4654530871e3c454251d16b9d5ce0e> / Bug 5690 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=60dd25b5c230249581a973 00:42 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 5532 - sysprefs editor should show names of saved prefs <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7acfb3a17f9ab592b385b032c93c96d6894ff821> / Fix for Bug 5689 - System preference notifications are not translatable <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=aac253a5e0192b14dfa23e34c76629020c392bca> 00:52 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #341: SUCCESS in 24 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/341/ 00:52 hudsonbot * Chris Cormack: Updating history docs 00:52 hudsonbot * Henri-Damien LAURENT: Bug 5690 00:52 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 5115, Tags JavaScript includes many untranslatable strings 00:53 hudsonbot Starting build 342 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS) 01:15 chris_n @later tell atz http://librarypolice.com/wiki.koha.org/encodingscratchpad.html 01:15 huginn chris_n: The operation succeeded. 01:18 chris_n @later tell jwagner http://librarypolice.com/wiki.koha.org/en:development:hard_coded.html 01:18 huginn chris_n: The operation succeeded. 01:18 chris_n @later tell jwagner but I don't think that helps much as what they mean apparently never got filled in 01:18 huginn chris_n: The operation succeeded. 01:21 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #342: SUCCESS in 28 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/342/ 01:21 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 5689 - System preference notifications are not translatable 01:21 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 5532 - sysprefs editor should show names of saved prefs 01:49 chris_n @later tell jwagner here is an updated version based on my parsing through irc logs and code 01:49 huginn chris_n: The operation succeeded. 01:49 chris_n @later tell jwagner http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Hard_Coded_Values 01:49 huginn chris_n: The operation succeeded. 02:07 zpinhead interested in using koha for 'special collections'. 02:07 zpinhead see the product 'aeon' by atlas systems. 02:08 zpinhead 1) preserve user information for ever. 02:08 zpinhead 2) items always stay in room -- user gives back at end of day 02:08 zpinhead uses next day, or for several days. 02:09 zpinhead request items from ead files -- request at level of 'box' or 'folder' 02:09 zpinhead depending on configuration of 'collection'. 02:09 zpinhead anyone have any clues as to if this might have been done before? 02:09 zpinhead thanks. 02:11 zpinhead here is a url for the 'aeon' product. 02:11 zpinhead http://www.atlas-sys.com/products/aeon/ 02:11 druthb .... 02:13 druthb I suspect *something* could be done, although Koha is pretty MARC21/UNIMARC-centric. 02:13 druthb EAD records would be something unexpected for it, so some hacking would likely be needed. 02:14 zpinhead i think maybe one key is that you don't have a whole thing. 02:15 zpinhead you (the patron) borrow a part of a thing -- like, from a particular collection, 02:15 druthb yah, how you define *item* is something kind of incompatible with Koha's notion of *item.* 02:15 zpinhead like 'Ezra Cornell's paper' box 32 -- folder 12 -- it's kind of like 02:16 zpinhead borrowing one volume of a serial. 02:16 druthb If you designated a folder as the item, and have a herd of items hooked to the bib, which could be a box or a whole collection, you could make it work. Loading the data would be a little gnarly, but do-able. 02:17 zpinhead there is also a scheduling aspect. folks come from far away to use 02:17 zpinhead a thing for a few days -- so you need to have check-out's queued up. 02:17 druthb could maybe use the holds mechanism for part of that, with a little hacking. 02:18 zpinhead need to make sure schedules don't conflict. 02:18 zpinhead also some items are also in library catalog -- and need to be fetched 02:18 zpinhead from 'library annex', but some (many) are of the EAD type. 02:18 zpinhead and many users are not actually registered at the university -- 02:19 zpinhead so you need to create users on the spot. 02:19 druthb Easy enough, that. 02:19 druthb The Really Big Stinker, as I see it, is the EAD format...Koha knows nothing whatever about that. 02:21 zpinhead is there a 'call slip' mechanism for koha? 02:22 druthb no, though I think it's been talked about. 02:23 zpinhead fetch this item from the stacks, and deliver it to a particular 02:23 zpinhead circ place? 02:26 druthb yeah, I've seen 'em before. But Koha has no tool for that. 02:29 zpinhead this:http://www.librarytechnology.org/ltg-displaytext.pl?RC=14230 02:29 zpinhead says koha has call slips. but i don't see anything 02:30 zpinhead on koha.org 02:30 druthb If you're looking at koha.org, you're looking in the wrong place. 02:30 zpinhead as for EAD, like you said -- each EAD would be one bib record, 02:31 zpinhead and then, some how connect the boxes, and folders as holding info. 02:31 druthb LibLime Enterprise Koha is a product supported by PTFS/LibLime, based on an older Koha base... The Koha that's talked about here is based at www.koha-community.org 02:32 druthb might use the item enum-chron field for box-folder info. 02:33 zpinhead tricky bit is: if someone has borrowed a box -- which contains 02:34 druthb yah, could be tedious to check out all the folders in the box. 02:35 zpinhead some folders -- need to know that those folders are checked out. 02:35 zpinhead need some sort of 'enclosed' or 'dependency' relations between 02:35 zpinhead things, entities. 02:36 druthb yep. 02:46 zpinhead ead is really hard to parse also -- lots of options, lots of levels 02:47 zpinhead of nesting -- but i guess we could tailor it to our own needs. 02:47 druthb mhm 02:48 zpinhead you can have boxes in boxes in boxes in folders in folders. 02:49 zpinhead -- one can do that. but one institution usually has one set of 02:49 zpinhead conventions -- so could tailor to that. 02:51 druthb If you build the notion of "Container" right, then it'll work for any level of nesting. 02:54 druthb "A biblio may hold a Container, which may, in turn, hold, zero-or-more other containers. 02:54 druthb (If a container holds zero others, then it's a folder, the lowest level of stuff you'll put over the circ desk. 02:55 druthb Then when you check out any container, it should check out all nested objects contained by it, as deep as needed. 02:57 * druthb looks to the "digital space" in her head... 02:58 druthb That could be done by adding one field to the Koha items table, which would contain the itemnumber of the parent item. a NULL there indicates a top-level item, and an item with no children pointing at it is a bottom-level. 02:59 druthb There'd be lots of display, editing, circ hacks to be done, but the change to the data structures would not be insane for that. 03:00 druthb Such a hack would have some value in other contexts, such as kits--barcode the individual objects, and the box they're in. 03:05 druthb I'm gonna head out for the evening. zpinhead, please do come back by during US working hours--lotsa folks here and talking, then. Someone may have other ideas that could help. 03:05 zpinhead thanks druthb. 03:06 zpinhead i will sign on tomorrow in working hours. my library is 03:06 druthb you bet. Some interesting ideas that jump off the screen at me... 03:06 zpinhead looking at aeon -- i would really like to have something else but i 03:06 zpinhead cannot find anything else in the space. 03:06 zpinhead cheers. 03:06 zpinhead tty. 03:06 zpinhead ttyl. 03:06 druthb Koha would require a fair bit of hacking to get there. It's not un-do-able, but it's non-trivial 03:13 kmkale Namaskar #koha 03:17 kmkale @weather Mumbai 03:17 huginn kmkale: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 25.0�C (8:10 AM IST on February 04, 2011). Conditions: Smoke. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Rising). 03:27 brendan__ @wunder 93109 03:27 huginn brendan__: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 9.5�C (7:28 PM PST on February 03, 2011). Conditions: Clear. 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Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). 06:31 rangi sticky 06:43 kf good morning #koha 06:44 rangi hi kf 06:47 kf hi chris 06:53 kmkale hi chris kf 06:56 francharb morning #koha 06:56 rangi hi francharb 06:57 kf hi francharb and kmkale 07:07 kf rangi++ 07:07 kf lots of messages from git in my inbox 07:07 kf chris_n++ 07:30 rangi Yep, getting the biblibre stuff attached to bugs, signed off and merged in 07:30 rangi chris_n has been a big help 07:39 kf you both are great 07:44 kf chris_hall++ 07:44 kf for his template work :) 07:47 Brooke_ kia ora 07:50 kf hi Brooke_ 07:50 Brooke_ :) 07:57 kmkale namaste Brooke_ 07:57 Brooke_ namaste :D 07:59 * Brooke_ is going to try and relax then go to sleep. Not like... 09:02 kf h hdl1 09:47 kmkale I am trying to figure out which marc tag information is available in opac-results.tmpl. Cant figure out where <!-- TMPL_VAR name="pages" --> is getting populated in search.pm Any hints? 09:51 kmkale I want to know which marc tags are available in addition to author, title etc in opac-results.tmpl. And if I need a particular tag, say 653$a, how to get it to display. Please help.. 09:52 thd kmkale: I should be asleep but perhaps I can help. 09:52 thd Are you using the XSLT view or the standard record detail view? 09:52 kmkale thd: please 09:53 kmkale thd: standard 09:54 thd kmkale: I assume that you do not mean the MARC view. 09:54 kmkale thd: no. the opac-search.pl?q=sheldon view 09:56 thd kmkale: In the standard view for one record I think that you need to alter how the subject field is stored in the SQL database or alter the template to grab the data from another place. 09:57 thd s/another place/additional field/ 09:58 kmkale thd: I am looking into search.pm sub searchResults {. Cant figure how stuff like <!-- TMPL_IF name="pages" etc is getting populated 10:00 kf kmkale: I don't hink it's search om 10:00 kf pm 10:01 kf or not sure, when i added the Controlnumber to the opacsearchtitlein I added it to biblio.pm 10:01 kf there are methods to get things like subjects 10:01 thd kmkale: Do you mean one record or a set of brief records? 10:01 kmkale opac-search.pl calls @newresults = searchResults( then populates $template->param(SEARCH_RESULTS => \@newresults, 10:02 kmkale kf: so I should use biblio.pm directly in opac-search.pl? 10:03 kf I think the opac detail view gets the information from the methods in biblio.pm 10:04 kf so I thought you might want to look there and check 10:04 kmkale kf i am on opac results page 10:04 kmkale ok 10:05 kf we are using the xslt views, but there is none for results in staff 10:07 thd kmkale: kf is correct that you should look at opac-detail.pl 10:08 kmkale thd: looking. 10:08 thd GetMarcSubjects 10:08 kmkale GetMarcBiblio from biblio.pm 10:15 thd kmkale: yes in biblio.pm you were right 10:16 thd kmkale: subjects in opac-detail do not use the Koha SQL database anymore. 10:17 thd kmkale: Perhaps the framework hidden value for 653 $a is hiding the data from the OPAC. 10:21 thd kmkale: the hidden value is 0 which should make 653 $a visible in the OPAC. 10:24 thd kmkale are you certain that the record which you are expecting to see something from 653 $a has a value in 653 $a? 10:24 kmkale thd: yes 10:24 kmkale also I am trying to get this value in the search page. Not the detail page 10:25 kmkale fpr that I will need to populate the template->param(SEARCH_RESULTS in opac-search.pl ( I think ) 10:26 kmkale which gets its values from @newresults = searchResults( method in Search.pm ( I think ) 10:31 thd kmkale: The design of the result set page makes my wince when I see it. 10:32 kmkale thd: For a non perl person like me its a code nightmare 10:33 kmkale I have no clue whats going on in Search.pm 10:34 thd kmkale: Search.pm is complicated and has been the source of much contention in the wake of KohaCon with BibLibre rewriting it for Solr/Lucene instead of Zebra support. 10:35 kmkale I have read those threads with interest 10:35 thd kmkale: However, you only need to find what happens when the result set is returned not when the query is sent which is the more complicated part. 10:36 kmkale thd: yup 10:36 thd The query formation is the most complicated part. 10:36 kmkale # loop through all of the records we've retrieved 10:36 kmkale for ( my $i = $offset ; $i <= $times - 1 ; $i++ ) { 10:36 kmkale my $marcrecord = MARC::File::USMARC::decode( $marcresults[$i] ); 10:37 mtj kmkale: use XSLT for opac, its better 10:38 mtj better = easier for you to customize 10:38 thd mtj: kmkale is trying to change the result set with multiple records which is unaffected by the XSLT stylesheets 10:40 mtj if he turned on xslt syspref for opac, it *would* be affected 10:40 mtj … by the xslt stylesheets 10:42 mtj http://git.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/xslt/MARC21slim2OPACResults.xsl;h=b3f61e53b5d0d13980d1ec5adbd0c66cfa1770bb;hb=HEAD 10:43 thd mtj: I had not realised that the result set was affected. 10:44 kmkale In the searchResults( ) method in Search.pm, does the my $marcrecord object contain ALL the marc tags for the record? 10:45 mtj kmkale: add your 653 stuff to MARC21slim2OPACResults.xsl file 10:45 thd kmkale: It should contain everything in the record 10:45 kmkale mtj: never used xslt. will have a look. Thanks for the info 10:46 thd kmkale: most libraries using MARC 21 prefer to use XSLT for the ease of making changes. 10:46 mtj xslt makes the opac look much prettier too 10:47 mtj [[citation needed]] 10:47 mtj ;) pass, i dont know that... 10:47 kmkale :) 10:47 thd kmkale: You should be warned that the XSLT work in Koha is very incomplete and maximally inefficient if your goal is to report very complete record information. 10:48 mtj most libraries using MARC21 dont know about xslt? 10:48 kmkale thd: mtj any idea if xslt *might* have any issues with Unicode stuff like India scripts? 10:48 mtj nah, its more complete than the other option 10:49 kmkale s/India/Indic/ 10:49 thd mtj: Almost all of LibLime's customers had XSLT turned on for them. 10:49 mtj meaning more of your bib info is displayed using xslt, than the no-xslt option 10:49 thd kmkale: Unicode should display fine for any option. 10:50 kmkale ok. WIll have a look see. 10:51 mtj well, most liblime customers didnt make changes to their XSLT files ;) 10:51 thd mtj: If you want to display any arbitrary record data with the XSLT design you have to add the entire MARC standard to the XSLT filter. 10:51 mtj but hey, a silly topic... :) 10:52 kmkale thd: you are scring me 10:52 kmkale s/scring/scaring/ 10:52 thd kmkale: It is not scary. 10:53 thd kmkale: record display in Koha is weak either way. 10:53 mtj koha's xslt marc stuff references xmlns:marc="http://www.loc.gov/MARC21/slim" 10:53 mtj so its gonna be pretty complete? 10:54 mtj hah, a dead url :/ 10:54 thd kmkale: The problem with XSLT efficiency is that the Koha implementation is actually merely a feature of YAZ with no concern for anything other than a minimal display. 10:55 kmkale thd: I did not understand anything from the above statement ;) 10:55 kf kmkale: don't be scared - xslt is changeable 10:56 kf kmkale: if you need some help to make it show something, perhaps I can help you sometime 10:56 kmkale <quote> add the entire MARC standard to the XSLT filter.</quote> sounds scary 10:56 thd kmkale: YAZ is from IndexData and the Koha XSLT filters are essentially copied from YAZ. 10:56 thd kmkale: The goal of the filters was to show very little information. 10:57 * kmkale is aware of YAZ. In the form of yaz-client 10:57 thd kmkale: YAZ can also convert records using XSLT filters. 10:57 kmkale kf thanks. May take you up on that help offer 10:59 thd kmkale: The problem from an efficiency point of view is that the XSLT filters search the record for a list of fields and subfields. 10:59 mtj i guess my point is, if you dont use XSLT to have to make a nasty mod in opac-results.pl, *and* opac-results.tmpl 10:59 mtj if you use XSLT , you just have to make a mod to MARC21slim2OPACResults.xsl 11:00 thd kmkale: The XSLT filters should be reading the record sequentially and only doing something for actual record content. 11:00 kf mtj: good point :) 11:00 kf I like xslt 11:00 mtj and your XSLT mod is more likely to not break when you upgrade your koha 11:01 thd kf: XSLT is good. The implementation in Koha is weak. 11:01 mtj i like XSLT for making my system easier to upgrade, for custom display-mods 11:02 mtj yep, so add the stuff thats missing ;) 11:02 mtj … for at least your clients koha 11:02 mtj like a 652 block 11:02 mtj s/652/653/ 11:02 thd mtj: The problem with adding what is missing is that it would require parsing the entire MARC standard to be complete. 11:03 thd mtj: That is why I mean that the XSLT implementation is written backwards. 11:03 mtj pass, that hasn't been my experience yet 11:03 thd mtj: There should be no need to parse anything not in the record. 11:04 thd mtj: The evidence is there in the code. 11:04 mtj im curious, which file/s ? 11:05 thd mtj: The exact ones which you have identified 11:05 mtj theres a *lot* of stuff re: xslt i dont understand yet, 11:06 mtj but ive manged to display any bib subfield i want, so far 11:06 thd mtj: The files for OPAC detail are the most problematic. 11:06 mtj by modding the .xsl file 11:07 thd mtj: Yes you can have it display anything you want by specifying what you want. 11:07 mtj yep, that works ok for me 11:07 kmkale changed to xslt and 1st tghing is subjests are NOT displayed in the results page 11:07 kmkale but are displayed in the details [page 11:07 thd mtj: However, if you want to display everything which might ever be in any record then the design inefficiency is revealed. 11:08 mtj aaaahhh, a speed issue 11:08 thd mtj: yes I only refer to speed and precious CPU cycles 11:10 mtj i imagine the xslt parsing stuff hasnt had a speed tweak yet , tho 11:10 mtj both things are know problems with workarounds 11:10 thd mtj: No mere tweak required. It is written backwards. 11:11 thd mtj: It should parse the record content against what you want to do with the content. 11:11 mtj add more content to your .xsl file and get a faster box 11:12 thd mtj: In contrast, it parses what you want to do with the content against the record content. 11:13 mtj are you saying koha does this the wrong/slow way? 11:13 thd mtj: It simply does not scale for presenting all possible record information even if faster boxes are cheap. Enough users displaying enough records will slow anything. 11:13 thd mtj: Yes backwards. 11:14 mtj ah, ok 11:14 thd mtj: The parsing logic reversed. 11:15 mtj ok, sounds like a good thing to fix in the future 11:15 thd mtj: If the list of fields you want to display is small the issue is moot. 11:15 thd mtj: I have discussed fixing the issue with fredericd. 11:16 thd mtj: There is a general problem that most of the XSLT files only work with MARC 21 and not UNIMARC. 11:17 mtj ok, yes, i only run marc21 kohas 11:19 thd kmkale: The problem may be that the record prepared for the result set page may already be a subset of the record. 11:20 kmkale thats what I suspect. That was the reason of the ALL marc question above 11:20 mtj thd: its great to hear you have been doing work in this xslt area, those problems are all new to me 11:21 thd mtj: fredericd had asked me about XSLT a couple of years ago and so I investigated deeply. 11:23 thd mtj: There has never been substantial effort on XSLT specifically for Koha. The functionality was essentially invoked from YAZ. 11:25 mtj yeah, it works well enuff for most usage 11:25 mtj it just needs improvement, to make it complete and faster 11:26 thd mtj: Yes, I am one of the unreasonable people never satisfied with what most people find acceptable. 11:26 thd mtj: The trouble is that fixing it would not be a minor tweak. 11:27 thd mtj: Fixing the problem would mean redesigning how it functions. 11:28 kmkale uncommenting use Data::Dumper; print STDERR "-" x 25, "\n", Dumper($results_hashref); in opac-search.pl seems to indicate that all marc info is retrieved 11:28 thd mtj: XSLT needs to call its own version of a MARC framework. 11:28 kmkale will verify this 11:30 thd kmkale: all the data is retrieved for search.pl, however, it may be subsequently filtered before being handed for result set display processing. 11:32 mtj thd: so the catch with a complete (read: HUGE) marc.xsl file, is that all of teh xsl needs to be evaluated, even if the bib is tiny? 11:33 thd mtj: exactly 11:33 mtj and its all that extra evaluating that the performance killer? 11:33 mtj ah 11:33 thd mtj: exactly 11:33 mtj ok, i get it :/ 11:35 mtj so thats the cost of a complete marc.xsl file, the execution of the .xsl is a killer 11:35 thd mtj: a few users may not notice but given enough users and enough useful features yet to be written also taking the CPU, then the CPU needs to be used more efficiently. to be used better. 11:37 thd mtj: This issue is trivial compared to some looping problems people are fixing for Koha 3.4 11:37 mtj hmm, i wonder if there are hacks/tricks to optimise an .xsl file 11:37 mtj argreed there 11:38 thd mtj: Not writing to MARC for circulation is the easiest fix for performance people are implementing. 11:40 mtj well, heres a good point, the .xsl for search results should be pretty brief 11:41 mtj ultimately it could be complete, but mostly commented-out 11:42 mtj so a speed win there for results display 11:44 thd mtj:Yes the result set should be brief in the OPAC. 11:44 mtj ok, i am off guys, cheers for the info 11:44 thd mtj: Where are you from? 11:44 mtj NZ, mtj = mason.t.james 11:45 thd Hello mason 11:45 mtj i have a new nick 11:45 kf and you are awake at odd hours :) 11:46 thd I chose uniquely enough not to need a new nick. 11:46 kf my nick seems to be too short to be registered 11:46 thd kf: That is what Koha will do to you 11:46 mtj someone already had wasabi :/ 11:46 thd kf: Koha keeps people awake forever. 11:47 mtj kf: nah, 1am isnt that late 11:47 kf my trick is multiple personalities... hides the fact that I am almost always here a bit better 11:47 thd 6.50 AM where I am is late :) 11:47 kf 12:50 pm 11:47 kf still a lot of friday left for me 11:48 mtj 12:51am here 12:00 thd kmkale: I hope you solve the problem, I have to sleep. 12:00 kmkale search.pm getRecords seems to return complete marc set ( may be wrong as the dumper does not display mark tag numbers but the data is displayed.) but the search.pm searchResults method returns a subset. This subset is pushed in template param. so I think I need to change searchResults method in search.pm :( 12:00 kmkale by thd 12:01 kf xslt doesn't work? 12:02 thd kf: XSLT needs the data to be in the record parsed 12:02 kmkale kf: no 6xx displayed in results with xslt 12:02 kmkale its displayed in details 12:03 kf ah 12:03 thd kf: prefiltered records are the problem 12:03 * thd sleeps 12:03 kf I understand 12:20 kmkale kf using Biblio.pm seems to be the way 12:42 Nate__ morning #koha! 12:44 slef hi Nate__ 12:44 kf kmkale: oh :( 12:44 Nate__ hiya slef 12:44 kmkale kf: I dont dxare touch search.pm 12:47 kf understandable 12:53 paul_p 'morning americans south & north ! 12:55 jwagner morning/afternoon/evening, the rest of the world.... 13:08 hdl hi 13:08 wahanui1 hola, hdl 13:09 * kf waves 13:13 kf hi oleonard :) 13:13 oleonard Hi 13:13 wahanui1 hello, oleonard 13:29 kf wahanui_1_? 13:35 jwagner The bots are cloning? 13:39 kf that would be scary 13:40 jwagner World domination is next on their agenda!!! 13:41 oleonard chris_n: Thanks for the signoffs yesterday 13:41 chris_n oleonard: yw 13:48 kf hehe 13:48 kf wahanui1 botsnack cookies 13:48 wahanui1 :) 13:49 kf better be nice to the bots 14:15 oleonard *sigh* The perennial 3.2 question... Why can't I place a hold... 14:15 oleonard You'd think I've been through this enough times 14:17 * oleonard finds the errant pref 14:18 oleonard Okay, as per Bug 4806 holds now have a unique id in the reserves table 14:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4806 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, circ/circulation.tmpl: Add "reservenumber" in the reserved table 14:18 oleonard But it looks like the hold deletion process hasn't been updated to use it? 14:18 oleonard Duplicate holds are still deleted all together 14:19 * oleonard thought this was one of the primary motivations for adding the unique id 14:22 oleonard paul_p or hdl, Might this be a change Biblibre has made in one of your branches? 14:24 hdl oleonard: there are some work to be sent about that 14:28 tcohen wahanui1: hi there 14:28 wahanui1 salut, tcohen 14:28 oleonard hdl: I've created a new bug report for that: Bug 5696. It would be great if you could attach a patch to that when it's ready 14:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5696 normal, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, Hold deletion should use reservenumber 14:41 oleonard Does anyone know how Bug 3929 works? 14:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3929 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, NEW, parameters in guided reports 14:56 kmkale bye all. have a nice weekend 14:57 * oleonard finds info on reports parameters in the help file of all places ;) 15:03 oleonard paul_p++ # for guided reports runtime paramters 15:03 paul_p thx oleonard 15:04 oleonard It's a very thoughtful implementation. I like the option to use authorised values 15:04 wizzyrea paul_p++ for thoughtful implementations 15:06 kf oleonard: do branches work for you? 15:07 oleonard Using branches as a parameter? 15:07 kf yep 15:07 kf i have a note here somewhere... to retest that 15:07 oleonard It worked for querying items.homebranch 15:09 kf ah cool 15:10 kf can you share the syntax? 15:10 kf perhaps I had a mistake there 15:11 kf oleonard: I found that if you use it to put in an integer valuse, like x days ago 15:11 kf it does not work without an additional trick 15:11 kf because of the ' ' aroudn the value 15:11 oleonard Good point, I didn't test that. I tested with strings and dates. 15:12 kf those work fine 15:12 kf I did a trick in sql to make it work 15:12 kf cast(<<Days ago>> as decimal) 15:13 kf this worked - but I am sure there are better ways to do it 15:13 oleonard I obviously don't have pastebot0's ear. 15:13 oleonard http://paste.koha-community.org/138 15:13 oleonard Sorry for the CONCATs in that, I just tested the last query I'd used 15:13 oleonard Good morning druthb 15:14 kf it's perfect, thx 15:14 wizzyrea oleonard did you tell pastebot which channel to send your paste to? 15:14 oleonard Tricky pastebot0! 15:14 druthb hi, oleonard! :) 15:14 wizzyrea (I sometimes forget and have the same problem you just did) 15:16 * oleonard thinks that when it comes to channels there is only one 15:16 wizzyrea :) 15:16 wizzyrea I never really understood why it defaulted to "none" 15:19 kf hm, so you don't accidently share the wrong things? 15:20 wizzyrea i suppose if you're using the koha paste to share naughty literature with your clandestine online love interest you might not want it to default to the channel 15:20 wizzyrea so I suppose you have a point there 15:20 wizzyrea ;) 15:20 kf lol 15:21 * druthb chuckles. 15:23 tcohen wahanui1: is bug 3929 important? 15:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3929 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, RESOLVED FIXED, parameters in guided reports 15:24 tcohen wahanui1: you lost the magic 15:24 wahanui1 tcohen: huh? 15:24 druthb wahanui1: wizzyrea? 15:24 wahanui1 hmmm... wizzyrea is a nerd 15:24 druthb hasn't lost all its' marbles, apparently. 15:25 oleonard I wonder how difficult it would be to get guided reports screen output to automatically link to biblios (for biblio.title, biblio.biblionumber), patrons (for borrowers.surname) etc. 15:25 druthb oleonard++ 15:25 rhcl_away wahanui1: wahanui1? 15:25 wahanui1 i am onboard I think 15:26 oleonard Let's hear some real enthusiasm wahanui1! 15:26 rhcl_away dude needs some coffee 15:27 oleonard wahanui1: forget wahanui1 15:27 wahanui1 oleonard: I forgot wahanui1 15:27 oleonard wahanui1 is excited and ready for anything! 15:27 rhcl he probably just needs some training 15:27 oleonard wahanui1: wahanui1? 15:27 wahanui1 i am excited and ready for anything! or ready to help! 15:28 wizzyrea oleonard: LOL @ dalek 15:29 oleonard wizzyrea: Except your friends now think I want him to be exterminated! 15:29 wizzyrea hehe unlikely :) 15:35 oleonard kf: Can you describe the kind of query you were doing where a numeric parameter failed? 15:35 oleonard I tried doing one with AND items.itemlost = <<Number>> and it worked 15:42 kf one second 15:44 pastebot0 "kf" at 193.197.29.135 pasted "select concat('<a href="/cgi-b" (12 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/139 15:45 kf it's one of my reports related to fines and notices 15:45 kf for finding borrowers with things overdue since x days 15:45 kf so you can write them another mail or letter 15:46 oleonard "Seit" ? 15:50 kf Since 15:50 kf sorry, thought I had translated everything 15:51 kf oh, translated to much 15:51 kf OD since = Seit column 16:00 kf bye all and have a nice weekend 16:02 chris_n is there a way to mass renew patron accounts from the staff interface? 16:06 paul_p chris_n, not that I know. 16:06 oleonard If there is it must be a closely-guarded secret 16:06 * chris_n thinks there should be 16:06 paul_p but in our queue (sponsored by a new customer) there is a "bulkedit" of patrons ;-) 16:06 chris_n especially for schools :) 16:06 chris_n that might work 16:07 jwagner Our Bug 3468 is patron batch edit as well 16:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3468 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jwagner, ASSIGNED, Enhanced patron searching, patron batch edit/delete 16:13 * chris_n resorts to a little sql magick on the back end 16:14 chris_n basically we are coordinating our patron accounts with the student id card expiration date 16:14 chris_n makes life easier administratively 16:14 oleonard Sounds like paul_p's batch edit might work well for that 16:14 chris_n yup 16:18 oleonard Hi zpinhead 16:19 zpinhead hi. 16:19 zpinhead druthb suggested i ask about this. 16:19 zpinhead interested in using koha for 'special collections'. 16:19 zpinhead lots of weird requirements. 16:19 zpinhead 1) preserve user information for ever. 16:19 zpinhead (traceability in case of theft, damage) 16:19 zpinhead items always stay in room -- user gives back at end of day 16:20 zpinhead then borrows in room next day. 16:20 zpinhead request items from ead files -- request at level of 'box' or 'folder' 16:20 zpinhead or item. 16:20 zpinhead like this product -- aeon from atlas systems. 16:20 zpinhead http://www.atlas-sys.com/products/aeon/ 16:22 zpinhead druthb suggested: "If you build the notion of "Container" right, then it'll work for any level of nesting." 16:22 zpinhead folks are talking about buying aeon -- very closed architecture. 16:22 zpinhead windows specific clients. 16:22 zpinhead would much prefer open source, but have no ready alternative. 16:22 zpinhead wondering how hard to do with koha. 16:24 oleonard zpinhead: Would your organization be willing to spend some of the money they'd have spent on Aeon to develop the required functionality for Koha? 16:24 oleonard That may be what is required. 16:24 wizzyrea short term outlay for long term benefit 16:24 wizzyrea and benefits to libraries like yours 16:24 oleonard http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Hourly_Loans_RFC 16:25 zpinhead well, i don't know. but there is a budget, and a non-trivial one, for yearly maintenance, and initial cost. 16:25 zpinhead aeon is non-trivial cost -- it's more down to how 1) time -- not sure anyone want to wait for dev. 16:26 zpinhead (they have been waiting, like, 30 years, for an adequate solution). 16:26 zpinhead so, from my perspective, what's a few more months. 16:26 zpinhead and 2) can i be persuasive about open source. 16:27 zpinhead my experience with atlas is: flashy windows interface -- poor integration with other tools, very 16:27 zpinhead little api -- sometimes none, and no interest in any. 16:28 wizzyrea sounds like all the worst things about a proprietary ILS 16:29 wizzyrea well, hourly loans are indeed on the horizon, that would help you. Patron records can be kept indefinitely (though probably you'd want to archive them periodically 16:30 * oleonard wonders if hourly loans are delayed or if they're being tested by the sponsor 16:31 wizzyrea wasn't that a sekjal thing? 16:31 wizzyrea or, it is now, anyway? 16:32 sekjal I've got to talk to my funding body, and get some wheels in motion as to implementation plan 16:32 jwagner oleonard, was that directed at me? Our hourly loans feature has still not been approved by the sponsor 16:33 zpinhead oleonard -- not sure they actually have fines for these things -- it's more like, they walk up 16:33 zpinhead to you and ask for it back. the items never leave the guarded room, they have a map that shows 16:33 zpinhead where each person is sitting, and what that person has borrowed. 16:34 zpinhead @wizzyrea -- exactly. 16:34 huginn zpinhead: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready 16:34 wahanui1 i already had it that way, huginn. 16:34 zpinhead and buying something like that now -- what a step back, except that there is no ready alternative. 16:35 wizzyrea well 16:35 wizzyrea you can either pay to be locked in, or pay (maybe a little less overall) to be free 16:36 wizzyrea free to modify, free to migrate, free. 16:36 wizzyrea and, you get an excuse to hang out with us :) 16:37 wizzyrea there is no system in place now 16:37 wizzyrea ? 16:37 oleonard jwagner: No, it wasn't directed at you. I don't expect to ever see any of the LEK stuff out in the wild 16:38 jwagner we haven't given up hope.... 16:38 oleonard Two years on? 16:38 jwagner Not quite one year with us 16:38 zpinhead @wizzyrea -- right now for special collections, they have three part forms -- pink, yellow, white, 16:38 huginn zpinhead: downloading the Perl source 16:38 wizzyrea !! paper! 16:39 wizzyrea ignore huginn, he's on a rampage today (he's a bot) 16:39 zpinhead the pink form goes on the shelf (in the vault) to show the item is out, the yellow goes in a box, 16:39 wizzyrea ah, so you'd need additional receipts (or the ability to dupe print receipts) as well 16:39 zpinhead and the white goes in a pocket type organizer that matches the chair numbers where people sit. 16:39 wizzyrea or triplicate paper :P 16:40 wizzyrea for your receipt printer 16:40 zpinhead definitely need to keep the pink for -- very important to have 16:40 zpinhead the shelf form. 16:40 wizzyrea and an impact receipt printer, since the heat ones won't do multicopy receipts 16:40 * wizzyrea goes off on the practicalities of this for a moment... sorry 16:40 zpinhead and they like their 'organizer' shows at a glance what is where by who. 16:41 zpinhead also need a sort of call slip mechanism -- users request items, and they get 'paged' from 16:41 zpinhead the vault. 16:42 wizzyrea like holds, but someone gets notified that something needs to be fetched 16:42 wizzyrea ? 16:42 zpinhead right. 16:42 wizzyrea koha can email a librarian every time a hold is placed, iirc 16:42 wizzyrea that, mostly, would depend on how you cataloged your items into koha 16:43 wizzyrea which might take some trial and error 16:43 zpinhead i think, maybe the biggest deal is treating EAD files like giant multi part MARC records. 16:45 wizzyrea yea, that's probably your worst challenge re:koha. 17:11 snail morning all 18:31 rangi morning 18:33 cait hi rangi 18:43 hudsonbot Starting build 343 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS) 18:46 rangi does this work for people http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=runnamed&namedcmd=5574 18:49 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5691 - Delete all items respects independentbranches system preferences <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a4cc394508182f292b4767504dfbac882744c3df> 18:50 rangi yay cait 18:50 cait ? 18:50 rangi can you check something for me please? 18:50 rangi does this work for people http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=runnamed&namedcmd=5574 18:50 cait and I thought you were happy to see me... ;) 18:51 rangi of course, i always am 18:51 cait There is no saved search named '5574'. 18:52 cait what are you working on? 18:52 rangi dang 18:52 rangi trying to figure out how to do public saved searches 18:54 cait hm 18:55 cait have you checked your preferences page? 18:55 cait oh 18:55 cait i see your shared search there 18:58 rangi ah yeah i just switched it on 18:58 rangi so if you click on it does ti work? 18:59 rangi http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=runnamed&namedcmd=5574 hopefully pasting this url now works too 19:00 oleonard Clicking "run" on the "needs signoff" saved search works 19:00 rangi yay 19:01 rangi and the 5574? if so ill send it to biblibre 19:01 oleonard I don't see a 5574 search 19:01 oleonard That link doesn't work for me either. 19:01 cait rangi: no 19:01 rangi ohh interesting 19:01 rangi i wonder why one does but the other doesnt 19:01 cait the link you pasted does not work 19:02 rangi is there a no status one showing? 19:02 cait he same as before 19:02 cait unknown search 19:02 rangi how odd 19:02 cait in the preferences I see 2 saved public searches: needs sign-off and Koha 3.4 enhancemants from paul 19:03 oleonard And I see, in addition, a "signed off" one from cait 19:03 cait :) 19:04 cait i logged out/in - no change 19:09 rangi wow, mohan is persistent .. .and wrong 19:09 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #343: SUCCESS in 26 min: http://hudson.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/343/ 19:09 hudsonbot Chris Cormack: Bug 5691 - Delete all items respects independentbranches system preferences 19:13 rangi eek and he uses boxbe 19:13 jcamins What? 19:13 jcamins Sorry, I'm with you now. 19:13 jcamins I thought that was your response to your latest commit. ;) 19:15 cait boxbe? 19:15 rangi means if you send him mail you have to go fill in an online form before he gets it, with a captcha 19:16 rangi tis a pretty over the top anti spam thing, also means that boxbe reads all your mail 19:16 jcamins Oh, I never fill those out when people ask for help on a mailing list. 19:17 rangi yeah 19:17 jcamins They can do without my advice. 20:01 jcamins Where would I look to find out who the staff person who checked a book out was? 20:02 cait statistics or action_logs 20:02 cait I am quite sure you can see it in the log viewer 20:02 cait I used it to check the self check in the beginning 20:04 jcamins Yeah, that's what I need to do. 20:06 jcamins describe statistics; 20:06 jcamins That's the third time I've done that this week. 20:08 jcamins cait: any chance you have the report you used? 20:09 cait no report 20:09 cait only the log viewer from tools 20:09 jcamins Aww. 20:09 jcamins Oh, I see. 20:09 cait but it should not be hard to find out 20:09 jcamins No, I just figured it out, I think. 20:10 jcamins Oops. 20:10 jcamins Don't do a SELECT DISTINCT on a TEXT field. 20:10 jcamins Just don't. 20:10 jcamins ;) 20:13 jcamins Why is action_logs.action a TEXT field? 20:22 cait don't ask me 20:22 cait I tried to clean up borrowers 20:22 cait but it's an unfinished project :( 20:24 cait and lots of unused columns 20:24 cait ok, time to read a book :) 20:25 cait bye all :) 21:05 Brooke_ kia ora 21:16 wizzyrea hi brooke 21:17 Brooke_ :) 21:26 jcamins Does anyone know anything about translated XSLTs not working? 21:26 jcamins We're getting this error, and it seems like I should remember why: /home/koha/kohaclone/koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/hi/xslt/MARC21slim2OPACResults.xsl:264: 21:26 jcamins parser error : Opening and ending tag mismatch: img line 263 and xsl:if </xsl:if> 21:26 jcamins Oops, sorry, I meant that to be on one line. 21:43 jcamins Is it safe to run perl translate fr-FR 21:43 jcamins on a live system? 21:47 snail rolled back COI edit on the LibLime page https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=LibLime&action=history 21:50 snail jcamins looking at that error, it suggests that unclosed images tags, which work fine in HTML but not XSLT 21:50 jcamins snail: I think the problem is that we need to re-run the translate script. 21:50 snail the img tag needs to look like: <img ...... /> 21:50 gmcharlt snail: actually, I think it's a mismatch in the XSLT itself, not an an image tag generated by it 21:51 gmcharlt jcamins: and that sounds plausible 21:51 snail oh, ok, sorry